ALES HEMSKY RE 12-13: DARKNESS ON THE EDGE OF TOWN

For very many reasons, this feels like goodbye ‘Pardubice Prince’. Ales Hemsky’s amazing skills are fading, his position and standing falling away.

ALES HEMSKY 10-11

  • 5×5 points per 60: 2.88 (1st among regular forwards)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 3.47 (5th among regular forwards)
  • Qual Comp: 6th toughest among regular forwards
  • Qual Team: 9th best teammates among regular forwards
  • Corsi Rel: 3.7 (6th best among regular forwards) (-6.59 CorsiON)
  • Zone Start: 53.9% (easiest among regular forwards)
  • Zone Finish: 52.5% (3rd best among regular forwards)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 100/14.0% (3rd among F’s>100 shots)
  • Boxcars: 47gp, 14-28-42 (led the team in assists)
  • Plus Minus: +3 on a team that was -52.

ALES HEMSKY 11-12

  • 5×5 points per 60: 1.57 (6th among regular forwards)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 2.88 (8th among regular forwards)
  • Qual Comp: 2nd toughest among regular forwards
  • Qual Team: 4th best teammates among regular forwards
  • Corsi Rel: 8.6 (2nd best among regular forwards) (1.51 CorsiON)
  • Zone Start: 50.3% (7th easiest among regular forwards)
  • Zone Finish: 49.9 % (7th best among regular forwards)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 137/7.3% (8th among F’s>100 shots)
  • Boxcars: 69, 10-26-36 (led the team in assists)
  • Plus Minus: -13 on a team that was -26.

ALES HEMSKY 12-13

  • 5×5 points per 60: 1.40 (6th among regular forwards)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 5.87 (2nd among regular forwards)
  • Qual Comp: 4th toughest among regular forwards (second line opp)
  • Qual Team: 6th best teammates among regular forwards
  • Corsi Rel: -1.3 (6th best among regular forwards, -12.72 CorsiON)
  • Zone Start: 50.2% (8th easiest among regular forwards)
  • Zone Finish: 48.0% (10th best among regular forwards)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 82/10.98% (5th among F’s>70 shots)
  • Boxcars: 38, 9-11-20
  • Plus Minus: -6 on a team that was -15
  1. What do these numbers tell us? In last year’s season-ending RE, I wrote: “his boxcars are the kind of numbers we should expect from a player of his skill at the tail of of his career.” And this season, he kind of repeated last season offensively. I think those miles and miles of miles and miles may be catching up to him. Certainly Craig MacTavish’s comments at his media conference one week ago suggests that he may not be around next season.
  2. Did he recover from last season’s numbers? On the PP Hemsky scored well, but he’s miles from the old EV glory days (Hemsky had an impressive string of seasons scoring above 2.00 5×5 per 60 broken in 2010-11). Craig MacTavish coached him from a rookie, to hear him say that a week ago is a massive tell.
  3. What did he say? MacT: “For guys who’ve been here a long time and have suffered through this (rebuilding process), Ales has been a good Oiler for us. I don’t want to talk about him. There is a human side and the last thing I want to do is talk about a guy’s future without talking to him first.”
  4. Oh. Yeah. The problem (as I see it) is that the club has three younger options for wing (Hall, Eberle, Yakupov) and have decided to add someone skilled with size to the top 6 forwards. Hemsky is the obvious out option, being that he can see 30 straight ahead (birthday this August) and his boxcars and secondary stats are off.
  5. What about using him on the third line? As they currently sit, the Oilers third line (Horcoff-Smyth-Hemsky) represents $12.75M in cap, that’s a monstrosity.
  6. You’re going to miss him? Sure will. He’s climbed up the alltime team scoring list quicker than anyone in recent history and currently ranks 8th in points and assists.
  7. He was never universally loved by Oiler fans. True. Hemsky was supremely skilled and delivered excitement during a period where there was very little. The one time he had a chance to play on a really good team he led that club in points and then had a terrific playoff run. I also believe he took a discount twice in contract talks, but the club failed to take advantage of that because they never did contend during the period 2007 spring through 2013 spring.
  8. So, he’s a cautionary tale? I would say so, yes. Get paid in full!
  9. What about the Oiler fans who always felt he was soft? I never understood that, you’d have to ask them. If I’m making a list of reasons he’s slowing at 30 (a damn shame) the number one suspect is in the photo that serves as a header for this article.
  10. What about Dellow’s study? Does that offer hope? Maybe. It confirms a downward trend, and perhaps shines some light on MacT’s media conference. As I write this, the latest installment for mc79 hockey’s Big Oilers Data is here. However, we need to be careful not to overreact to what we’re seeing, it’s an early glance at some things we haven’t seen and can’t compare. Dellow: “A little bit of perspective is needed here, I think. First of all, Hemsky’s number, although down, is still not that bad. He led the forwards by this metric last season and was fifth this season (Hall, Eberle, RNH, Gagner, Hemsky). The decline is troubling but, on an absolute level, he still wasn’t that bad. It’s still like he basically had one shift every game and a half in which he had an SAF evaporate though.”
  11. So is it bad or not? Yes, that’s the question Tyler is trying to answer.
  12. How will we know it’s bad? If we see the trend continue. In Hemsky’s case one suspects he’ll be in another town with a new coach and a new set of linemates. That may make a difference.
  13. Where would he have the greatest impact? The eastern conference somewhere, I’ll say whatever division that plays Florida the most.
  14. Can he recover? He’s still young, but has been injured a tremendous amount. I doubt the Oilers get full value for him.
  15. Should they buy him out? God no, he’s still an NHL player and can beat defensemen clean, pass the puck beautifully and impact the scoreboard. This isn’t a retirement RE, it’s an “eroding skills” discussion.
  16. What would you like to see? Another year with Hemsky in the top 6F, just to be sure. Deal him at the deadline if you must, but trading him now means very little return (imo) for a splendid if faltering talent.
  17. Why don’t you have Dellow on and ask him some more questions? Tyler will be a guest on today’s show.
  18. Why do you like him so much? He’s so incredible with the puck. I don’t know about other Oiler fans, but for me Ales Hemsky is one of the most entertaining Oilers ever. As in “history of the team” since expansion. Wonderful skill, and for many nights during the dark ages of this team’s history the one guy fans could look forward to was #83. I’m never going to dance on his grave, certainly not today.

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Today on The Lowdown with Lowetide at 10am on Team 1260, we’ll be talking Oilers, draft (NHL and CFL), advanced stats, Oil Kings, Barons and more. Scheduled to appear:

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  • Tyler Dellow from mc79 hockey. Tyler has been digging through the wreckage for clues about the 2012-13 Oilers and is bringing back interesting results. He now has 5 big data segments up with more to go, fascinating reading.
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58 Responses to "ALES HEMSKY RE 12-13: DARKNESS ON THE EDGE OF TOWN"

  1. nelson88 says:

    Love the first round of the playoffs! great stuff. A few general observations.

    Logan Couture is exactly what the Oilers need. Pick Barkov, Monahan or Lindholm and let them develop for a couple years like SJ did with Couture and you have an impact 2C on a reasonable contract.

    2. The “Luongo affair” will be Gillis’s undoing. He has Lou on a long term contract he likely can’t give away at this point (his own doing) and Schneider in no man’s land. Just got back from 3 days of golfing in Phoenix with a bunch of Canuck fans and it wasn’t pretty.

    3. If the Oilers can get one more solid top 4D I believe they are a playoff team next year. The core is too good and getting older so progression will naturally come. However; more convinced then ever that they will not be a Stanley Cup contender until they readjust the lineup. Size and grit (not meathead grit) are needed to win in the playoffs. The Oilers are too small and too soft to challenge teams like the Blues, Kings, Bruins, etc. The Senators (a great example of skill with grit) taking the Habs to the woodshed last night as a case in point.

  2. Ducey says:

    Not too long ago it was going to be the end of the world if Tambo traded Hemsky.

    Now I wonder whether that would have been the smart move?

  3. RexLibris says:

    Wait a second: John Short, some data talk AND the draft with Flaming! Jeebus Christ on a cracker I’d better find a blank cassette tape and record this.

    As for Hemsky, I don’t know why but I’ve just had a nagging feeling they decide to move him at the draft. Carolina actually seems like an interesting potential trade partner this year. They might be interested in trading down if it meant they could get an NHL ready winger and still only move back far enough to still take a player like Nurse or Nichushkin.

    The Oilers have trade history with Caroline going back to the Lowe days and they, as much as any team, probably remember Hemsky as the talent he can be. Also…Semin. I mean come on.

  4. FrankenOil says:

    Ducey,

    Rishaug on the 1260 morning show saying the day of (or maybe it was the day after) of the Tabo firing/MacT promotion that Tambo had at least 2 legitimate offers of a high draft pick and an NHL player for Hemsky during the 11/12 season and he sat on them, and sat on them, and sat on them in typical Dithers fashion.

  5. Hammers says:

    Hemsky should be traded at the next deadline , not now . Like all players the time has come and the last few years pre RNH he was the only reason to pay money to see Oiler games . McT’s comments on Oil Change tells the story of what to expect.

  6. regwald says:

    Tencer tweets that the 3 calder nominees are Brendan Gallagher, Jonathan Huberdeau and Brandon Saad.

    WTF ?!

  7. DBO says:

    Hemsky could be a great complimentary player on a winner. Unfortunately he won’t be here. Sad, since he played through so much pain and crap for so long. What does he get us? Is he, as mentioned above, the addition along with our 1st to either move up or get an upgrade on D?

    Or, could MacT, crazy like a fox, talk to Hemsky and lay out what we are doing and where he would fit. if Hemmer agrees, they sign an extension this summer around $3 million per year for like 3 years. Maybe that is what MacT meant when he said he won’t talk about Hemsky until they sit down. Lay out his role, talk about where he fits (2/3 rd line, 2nd PP) and if he is OK with it it means a drop in income as he has under-performed, is injury prone, and no one will give him $5 mill again. Is that your best case LT? Hemsky on another discount so he fits into our cap situation.

    Dare to dream

  8. Racki says:

    Count me in the camp that is hoping that Hemsky is gone before the start of the year. Don’t get me wrong, it’s near impossible to not be enamored by Hemsky’s glamorous puck handling skills. But he is one of this teams vets. He should be grabbing this team by the balls at this point and dragging the team along night after night (instead it’s Taylor Hall that tries to do that). Right now it looks more to me like he’s a guy that is just looking out for number 1. His brilliance comes out now and again, but it’s just enough to keep some pro-Hemsky folks happy enough.

    I think he takes too many shifts off. He’s one of those “non factors” MacTavish talks about. I think his overall game has improved since he started in the league, but when he isn’t scoring, he just isn’t adding anything to the team, unfortunately.

    It seems to me like he’ll coast around the average shift, then have one shift now and then where he does something pretty, and the fans stay in love with him. Not me, Ales! I’m on to you! :P

    I have no inkling of bringing him back another year, but I wouldn’t doubt if injuries have really taken their toll on him. Soft? Pssh, no. That’s stupid talk. But I’d like to see him moved out, and in his place a player who plays big in more than one sense of the word. The Oil are going to have to eat some of his salary though, I’m sure.

  9. Lucinius says:

    regwald:
    Tencer tweets that the 3 calder nominees are Brendan Gallagher, Jonathan Huberdeau and Brandon Saad.

    WTF ?!

    Not a surprise in the least. Its bullshit, granted, but surprising? Nope.

    Saad, Gallagher get nods because of their production and the fact they are important players on teams that not only made the playoffs, but did so on teams that did well in the regular season in cities with media attention (aka; they saw them play).

    Huberdau gets the nod because of his production and they saw him play.

    Yakupov doesn’t get the nod because ‘who? oh, Oilers player’.

  10. LMHF#1 says:

    Between the foot injury and the way the team looked without him after he had been shut down, you’d better hope they get a damn good player to replace him if he does move on.

    Having him play a responsible 5on5, plus finally use him on the PK (which should have happened half a decade ago now) would be more than worth it if he does stay.

    Anyone who says Hemsky isn’t tough or hasn’t given the effort over these absolutely crappy years needs both an eye and a head exam.

  11. Henry says:

    I hope that LT asks Tyler Dellow about Big Data IV. He isolated the fact that Hemsky had a huge drop in shifts with multiple shots for between 2012 and 2013. Gagner did too, but the differential was somewhat smaller. Given the data he presented, I wonder what the interpretation of the problem might be at a hockey level. Is Hemsky just not good at puck retrieval anymore? Gagner? Do they just not cycle well together and everything they get is off the rush (I think there is something to that).

    Or is it just a systems problem with the new coaching regime that makes offensive cycles harder to sustain particularly for these guys?

  12. Henry says:

    LMHF#1:
    Between the foot injury and the way the team looked without him after he had been shut down, you’d better hope they get a damn good player to replace him if he does move on.

    Having him play a responsible 5on5, plus finally use him on the PK (which should have happened half a decade ago now) would be more than worth it if he does stay.

    Anyone who says Hemsky isn’t tough or hasn’t given the effort over these absolutely crappy years needs both an eye and a head exam.

    You are right about that. This team went into a tailspin when Horc went down and again when Hemsky was shut down. Even if these guys don’t win the games anymore by direct contribution, the team can’t seem to win without them. Replacements better be more than adequate.

    I love Hemsky and don’t want to see him go. But it is crowded and maybe it is time. If they do it, I just hope they win the goddam trade for a change.

  13. nelson88 says:

    Will be sad to see Hemsky go. He has been a great Oiler but is the most logical piece to move in order to begin to rebalance the team. Maximum trade value would be at next years deadline but I doubt it takes that long. Hope he goes to a contender and has a solid end to his career.

    Nice to see Roy leading Stockton deep in the ECHL playoffs. He has a history as a streaky goalie who chokes under pressure. He hasn’t been lights out but has been solid to great when needed. Could see him having a Danis type career which is ok for a 5th round pick.

  14. Smarmy says:

    That darkness on the edge of town is Irrelevancy. And it’s back for one of it’s own. The Vancouver Canucks.

  15. pboy says:

    I think it’s time to forget about the past and start evaluating players like Hemmer on who they are now and what they project to be in the next few seasons.

    Cons:

    He’s a very difficult player to play with, he’s a passer who doesn’t pass as much as you would think, he’s injury prone and he does have a tendency to disappear for games at a time.

    Pros:

    He goes to the hard areas consistently, he’s been the most exciting and productive player that we’ve seen in this city for almost a decade, he still has that high end skill that can bring people out of their seats, he’s sacrificed his body for a losing franchise and I think he’s a perfect fit on a good team’s 2nd line where he would be an excellent complimentary player.

    IMHO, they need to deal Ales at the draft. At this point, he’s so injury prone that if you wait until the trade deadline, there’s an excellent chance he could be injured and then he walks aways as an UFA next summer. I’m not sure what his value will be but I think MacT will be smart enough to take the best deal and turn the page.

    Nail Yakupov should be the Calder Trophy winner but he doesn’t play on the East Coast……

  16. striatic says:

    regwald:
    Tencer tweets that the 3 calder nominees are Brendan Gallagher, Jonathan Huberdeau and Brandon Saad.

    WTF ?!

    You score more goals, you .. don’t .. win?

  17. Bar_Qu says:

    Parkatti put the Calder nominees in context:

    The last time a rookie led in scoring and was not a Calder finalist was in 1950-51.

    Leaving Yakupov and Brodin off the Calder short-list is another black-eye for this league which has accumulated a fair number in the last 12 months. I mean, what else is a foot for if not for shooting it?

  18. bendelson says:

    I would suggest there are mulitple factors that worked against Nail getting into the top 3 for rookie of the year – some have credance, others are ridiculous. I’ll let you decide which is which…

    1. West coast – less media attention.
    2. Non-playoff team.
    3. Dirty Russian.
    4. Inappropriate goal celebrations.
    5. They may have voted prior to the end of the season meaning his hat-trick may not have counted…
    6. Because Oilers.

    DId I miss anything?

  19. vishcosity says:

    Hemsky did well during the lockout, iirc. I’d look it up but I can’t remember the team, or league, or country for that matter. What happened to that?

    I can believe that Nail didn’t win, but I am stunned he didn’t even make the short list. Huberdeau ledgered 3 apples in his last game too I think, so the late scoring can’t really be a factor imo.

  20. knighttown says:

    nelson88:
    Love the first round of the playoffs! great stuff. A few general observations.

    Logan Couture is exactly what the Oilers need. Pick Barkov, Monahan or Lindholm and let them develop for a couple years like SJ did with Couture and you have an impact 2C on a reasonable contract.

    Cripes, I can here to post the exact same thing. The Crosby tree contains guys like Malkin, Pat Kane, Stamkos, Sedin, St. Louis and Hall that have truly elite, game breaking abilities and will score a PPG no matter what. I see Nuge as one of those guys.

    But there’s a whole separate tree that Jonathan Toews sits atop of. These guys don’t quite have the offensive gifts (or as is the case with Toews and Datsyuk, carry so much other responsibility) and might score a hair less but will still impact the game as much or more than the guys from the other group whether its from killing penalties, winning faceoffs, winning puck battles or blocking shots. This list contains names like Couture, Datsyuk, Bergeron, Zetterberg, Mike RIchards, Kesler and Mikko Koivu. Sean Couturier looks to be the next one.

    The difference between a true number 1 centre and a true number 2 centre isn’t so much that the #2 guy is a worse hockey player, rather, its a truly different role. The Oilers upper-talented kids, for all of their ridiculous skill do NOT impact the game in any way other than by scoring points. It’s easy to say that Couture’s skills are teachable or will develop but Gagner is proof that this isn’t necessarily the truth.

    The nice thing is that these guys are rarely taken in the Top 5 because it’s not easy to separate the guy who can do all of those things while scoring 60 points from the guy that does those things and scores 35. If you make a mistake a pick the guy who puts up the 35 you’ve now picked up Chris Kelly for a Top 10 pick. It’s like selecting a defensive defenseman…very hard to have it pay off during the ELC if at all.

    Teams won’t pass up on a Jonathan Drouin (Patrick Kane) for Sean Monahan because the elite talent pretty much guarantees 80+ points every year and Monahan could be Chris Kelly so these guys are almost always found between 5 and 50 of the draft. The Oilers have to decide whether Monahan or Lindholm are Coutures or Kellys but if they do make the right call they will have exactly the guy they need to improve this team.

    Because as shitty as this team is in the regular season, I shudder to think how bad it would be at playoff hockey. The scary thing is that this team is built to for the regular season with exception special teams play and horrible even strength play. Draft Monahan or trade Eberle for Bergeron and you’re less sexy but suddenly winning more games.

  21. Smarmy says:

    I don’t really care about the Calder but didn’t Yakupov outperform Huberdeau in every metric?

    Plus aren’t all the Calder Nominees a year or two older then Yak. Seems like an absurd omission.

  22. striatic says:

    knighttown: Because as shitty as this team is in the regular season, I shudder to think how bad it would be at playoff hockey.

    there is a wide range of ability and styles of competing in the playoffs right now.

    i had your mindset going into the playoffs, thinking the Oilers were ill suited to playoff hockey.

    while they certainly aren’t playoff ready, there are playoff teams they match well against.

    Oilers would certainly match well against Vancouver, Detroit or Minnesota.

    They might do okay against San Jose.

    The problem is that the Oilers would NOT match well against Chicago, Anaheim, St. Louis or LA.

    Watching St. Louis vs LA is disheartening because, like you, i invariably start to think “there is no way the Oilers could ever play hockey like this, even on their best day” but then i watch some of the other series and i’m not nearly so convinced the Oilers couldn’t keep up.

  23. bendelson says:

    Smarmy,

    1. West coast – less media attention.
    2. Non-playoff team.
    3. Dirty Russian.
    4. Inappropriate goal celebrations.
    5. They may have voted prior to the end of the season meaning his hat-trick may not have counted…
    6. Because Oilers.

    1,3,4 & 6 could all be factors in the decision (when comparing to Huberdeau).

    I think #4 has legs.

  24. striatic says:

    Smarmy: I don’t really care about the Calder but didn’t Yakupov outperform Huberdeau in every metric?

    they had the same number of points in the same number of games.

    Huberdeau had more assists.

    Yakupov had more goals and better plus/minus.

    Huberdeau averaged 17 minutes per game.

    Yakupov averaged 14.5 minutes per game.

  25. nelson88 says:

    striatic,

    That maybe true but do you really view Vancouver, Detroit or Minnesota as having any chance of winning the Stanley Cup? When the Oiler window of opportunity is at it’s zenith i would like to have at least a reasonable chance of celebrating a championship rather than a round one victory (if we are fortunate).

  26. striatic says:

    bendelson: 5. They may have voted prior to the end of the season meaning his hat-trick may not have counted…

    this needs to be fixed.

  27. striatic says:

    nelson88: That maybe true but do you really view Vancouver, Detroit or Minnesota as having any chance of winning the Stanley Cup?

    Nope.

    Still – Vancouver almost did, with the same essential team make up they have now.

    Detroit too, although elite #1 D like Lidstrom makes a huge difference there.

    Teams built like the Oilers *can* succeed in the playoffs, and sometimes even win it even in today’s NHL.

    That said, if you ask me if Oilers management should be looking to build a Detroit or Vancouver style team i’d say “No”.

  28. Smarmy says:

    striatic: they had the same number of points in the same number of games.

    Huberdeau had more assists.

    Yakupov had more goals and better plus/minus.

    Huberdeau averaged 17 minutes per game.

    Yakupov averaged 14.5 minutes per game.

    I was thinking more along the lines of advanced stats. I think Yak’s 5×5/60 blew Huberdeau out of the water and he did so with less linemates. I could be wrong but I think the numbers had Yak lapping huberdeau.

  29. rich says:

    LT: Great interview w/Tyler. Re: Hemsky-Gagner, interesting thought re: Gagner and his inability to win d-zone face offs. Certainly a good theory (bring in someone else to just take that face off).

    But I also wonder if part of the reason for Hemsky-Gagner not working is the breakout system the coach deploys. Would you mind asking Tyler his thoughts?

  30. raventalon40 says:

    How does neither of Schultz or Yakupov get a shot at the Calder? I mean, Schultz played some of the top minutes in the league for rookies and both finished tied in the top 5 for points and Schultz did it as a rookie DEFENSEMAN.

    Brandon Saad and Jonathan Huberdeau both played top line minutes with worse results.

    Doesn’t make any sense.

    Brendan Gallagher I can understand. But the others… come on.

    And for those that say Yakupov got a late push in games that don’t matter… try the whole season for Florida. They weren’t in playoff contention all season and none of their games mattered.

  31. Truth says:

    The Brodin omission is just as surprising as Yakupov. Gallagher, Brodin, Yakupov should have been the candidates. I would put Yak at #3 overall for Calder votes. Goals over assists but Gallagher is just a hell of a young player bringing the “Landeskog” Calder intangibles, and Brodin was playing as a #2 defenceman, albeit with Ryan Suter as his partner.

  32. Kris11 says:

    There is no way around it.

    If Yak had played in TO or for the Rangers or Bruins, he’d get a nomination. (Hat trick at the end of the season or not.)

    If he hadn’t been Russian, he would have gotten a nomination.

    I call shenanigans.

  33. Kris11 says:

    Yakupov will kill the league next year as revenge.

  34. RickDeckard says:

    The absence of both yak and brodin make this a joke. One or the other is understandable but both make it clear that east coast bias determines the winners of awards.

  35. denny33 says:

    Bar_Qu,

    It was so bad – even in Winnipeg the TSN radio guys were in shock…..

    Host: How can you have a rookie – who has scored the most goals- not be a finalist for the Calder?

    Yak is 19 / Gallagher is 21.

  36. FastOil says:

    Hemsky may not be declining as much as this year indicates. Gagner playing as he did is likely the worst type of centre for what Hemsky does. Often the players who skate easily keep their game longer, and he did pretty well on the health front minus the bad luck with the foot.

    Many good teams could use a pure offensive player like Hemsky. There might be a palatable deal out there this summer. They can’t keep the same team together and expect much different results, and it doesn’t make sense to trade a younger player unless necessary.

    Hopefully Yakupov takes the Calder slight personally and exacts horrible revenge on the league.

  37. Truth says:

    Kris11,

    I think it is certain that if Yakupov was a Maple Leaf he would be the standalone winner.

  38. RMGS says:

    I agree that all the signs are pointing to Hemsky’s exit (freedom?), but this team’s lack of winger depth is on the left side, not the right. I have no problem with Hemmer lining up alongside the Kaptain and a big two-way left winger (Penner?). Hey – I’ll continue to dream for that mythical three-scoring-lines Oilers team.

  39. FrankenOil says:

    One main reason is the fact (and this was said by Rishaug a few days ago and re-iterated by Spector – who is part of the PHWA) that many members had already filled out their ballots before the last few games of the season where Yak went supernova.

  40. art vandelay says:

    Yak didn’t get nominated for a trinket? Must be east coast/anti-Oilers/anti-Russian bias.
    I’ve got a gross of tinfoil hats on sale right now. Going cheap.
    OIilers fans can email me at http://www.BusyWatchingThePlayoffs.com

  41. denny33 says:

    First, San Jose continues to feel the effects of trading Doug Murray and Ryan Clowe – together these players will net the Sharks 5 high draft picks for the next two years…

    As far as Tyler’s numbers go…..surprise – Hemsky and Gagner look bad!

    Also, as I pointed out a few times – Justin Scultz is lost in his own end. And he was getting worse – not better – as he went on….

    the only question- what value does S. Gagner or A. Hemsky ( 5 million ? ) have to the rest of the league.

    This seminal 2013 draft should provide 2 top centres for the Oilers…

  42. "Steve Smith" says:

    art vandelay:
    OIilers fans can email me at http://www.BusyWatchingThePlayoffs.com

    Alternative retorts (pick your favourite):

    1. But act now! As with all Canucks fans, Art will be at that location for a limited time!
    2. You don’t really understand e-mail, do you?
    3. Hi, Art!

  43. spoiler says:

    “Steve Smith”: Alternative retorts (pick your favourite):

    1. But act now!As with all Canucks fans, Art will be at that location for a limited time!
    2. You don’t really understand e-mail, do you?
    3. Hi, Art!

    “Steve”…

    I’m going to need option 4. All of the above

  44. Bar_Qu says:

    I’m not calling Eastern bias against the PWHA, but I do think it would be nice if the ballots were not secret. And not completed prior to the end of the season.

  45. Rondo says:

    I wonder of the Oilers would consider Alain Vigneault as coach of the Oilers.

  46. bookje says:

    art vandelay:
    Yak didn’t get nominated for a trinket? Must be east coast/anti-Oilers/anti-Russian bias.
    I’ve got a gross of tinfoil hats on sale right now. Going cheap.
    OIilers fans can email me at http://www.BusyWatchingThePlayoffs.com

    Art – I tried to email you, but your weblink isn’t working.

  47. khildahl says:

    Rondo,

    No, see… They’re done tanking for picks now.

  48. Rondo says:

    khildahl,

    I hope they do hire him if he gets fired, it would show Edmonton is in it to win

    I’m sure they want to give Krueger a chance but AV’s don’t always come around , bad timing but the right move

  49. FastOil says:

    knighttown: Cripes, I can here to post the exact same thing.The Crosby tree contains guys like Malkin, Pat Kane, Stamkos, Sedin, St. Louis and Hall that have truly elite, game breaking abilities and will score a PPG no matter what.I see Nuge as one of those guys.

    But there’s a whole separate tree that Jonathan Toews sits atop of.These guys don’t quite have the offensive gifts (or as is the case with Toews and Datsyuk, carry so much other responsibility) and might score a hair less but will still impact the game as much or more than the guys from the other group whether its from killing penalties, winning faceoffs, winning puck battles or blocking shots.This list contains names like Couture, Datsyuk, Bergeron, Zetterberg, Mike RIchards, Kesler and Mikko Koivu.Sean Couturier looks to be the next one.

    The difference between a true number 1 centre and a true number 2 centre isn’t so much that the #2 guy is a worse hockey player, rather, its a truly different role.The Oilers upper-talented kids, for all of their ridiculous skill do NOT impact the game in any way other than by scoring points.It’s easy to say that Couture’s skills are teachable or will develop but Gagner is proof that this isn’t necessarily the truth.

    The nice thing is that these guys are rarely taken in the Top 5 because it’s not easy to separate the guy who can do all of those things while scoring 60 points from the guy that does those things and scores 35.If you make a mistake a pick the guy who puts up the 35 you’ve now picked up Chris Kelly for a Top 10 pick.It’s like selecting a defensive defenseman…very hard to have it pay off during the ELC if at all.

    Teams won’t pass up on a Jonathan Drouin (Patrick Kane) for Sean Monahan because the elite talent pretty much guarantees 80+ points every year and Monahan could be Chris Kelly so these guys are almost always found between 5 and 50 of the draft.The Oilers have to decide whether Monahan or Lindholm are Coutures or Kellys but if they do make the right call they will have exactly the guy they need to improve this team.

    Because as shitty as this team is in the regular season, I shudder to think how bad it would be at playoff hockey.The scary thing is that this team is built to for the regular season with exception special teams play and horrible even strength play.Draft Monahan or trade Eberle for Bergeron and you’re less sexy but suddenly winning more games.

    Good points. MacT has addressed this it seems. The question is what can he get done?

    My dream line up for the Oil is two highly offensive and fully capable lines, followed by a very solid defensive line that can still score. 4th line like the Kings, everyone can play hockey, skate and fore check, and pot a few now and again. Decent size is enough.

    I’d be happy to see MacT be aggressive at the draft moving up. Elite players get up to speed fast, the top 2 centres will likely be contributors soon and I think both will play in the league next year barring injury. Lindholm might as well. I’d rather shelter a guy who projects as 2C in two years than a guy who may never be solid enough. Either way were not winning the Cup next year so why not look to improve long term?

    There is an outside chance MacT could trade for young 2 way 2C, but that is probably harder then the 1LD he wants. The draft is the best bet and I think the team needs to find this player aggressively.

  50. Woodguy says:

    February 8th 2012.

    That was the day NHL coaches stopped putting their 1st Dpair out against 83 and started chasing 4.

    I fully expected 83 to blossom in the 27 games left that year and all this year since he didn’t have face the best of the opposition as his standard.

    He failed to deliver like I thought he should.

    His pts/gm actually went down.

    I may be because he plays better with a C like 10, who doesn’t need the puck and knows how to play without it.

    83′s production is best in his career with 10. His WOWY’s tell us this.

    Its funny, we pined for a better C for 83 for years and all this time he had his optimal C.

    I’m disappointed that 83 hasn’t produced against 2nd tier comp, and at $5M/yr, that’s a disaster.

    He may be very useful at $3MM/yr as a 3RW, but that ship may have sailed.

  51. stevezie says:

    Woodguy,

    I feel the same way. Hemmer has long been my favourite Oiler (got to tell him so last year), but when he didn’t take off the way I was so sure he would… I wouldn’t say heartbroken, but sad. I was sad.

    I still strongly believe they are better off keeping him if the trade makes them a worse hockey team. I don’t care how expensive the third line is- is it an effective third line? Is the team winning? There are no points awarded for effecient cap management.

    Cap space is for spending. The only time it makes sense to ship out an effective player is if he is standing in the way of a cheaper/more effecive one, but until that is the case with Hemsky I don’t care that he is overpaid.

    All that said, if they did trade him… I’d understand.

  52. Ribs says:

    Hemsky was a bit of a disappointment this season and it’s a damned shame. He really needed to establish himself as the second line right winger for his contract to make any sense. He had a few obstacles this year but I think he had ample opportunity to take that spot by the horns.

    I hope he gets another shot next year because I think he still has a lot of good hockey left in him, but it will be understandable if they feel the need trade him for the betterment of the team.

  53. spoiler says:

    Woodguy:
    February 8th 2012.

    That was the day NHL coaches stopped putting their 1st Dpair out against 83 and started chasing 4.

    I fully expected 83 to blossom in the 27 games left that year and all this year since he didn’t have face the best of the opposition as his standard.

    He failed to deliver like I thought he should.

    His pts/gm actually went down.

    I may be because he plays better with a C like 10, who doesn’t need the puck and knows how to play without it.

    83′s production is best in his career with 10.His WOWY’s tell us this.

    Its funny, we pined for a better C for 83 for years and all this time he had his optimal C.

    I’m disappointed that 83 hasn’t produced against 2nd tier comp, and at $5M/yr, that’s a disaster.

    He may be very useful at $3MM/yr as a 3RW, but that ship may have sailed.

    I think this is a very apt analysis.

    I wonder how much injury plays into it. And I wonder how much 89 plays into it… And how much having a rookie at LW does. I think all had an detrimental effect on his numbers.

    The things on a line, IMO, that Hemsky maybe needs more than any other things, are men to win the puck in their own end. And 89 and a rook are not those things.

    The longer a puck stays in the Oiler end, the less effective 83 is. 10 can win a puck in his own end and find the space to make the outlet pass.

    Someone like a Zetterberg, who can ace that battle in the defensive end and can finish the play at the other, would be unbelievable with Hemsky.

  54. Captain Happy says:

    Woodguy:
    February 8th 2012.

    That was the day NHL coaches stopped putting their 1st Dpair out against 83 and started chasing 4.

    I fully expected 83 to blossom in the 27 games left that year and all this year since he didn’t have face the best of the opposition as his standard.

    He failed to deliver like I thought he should.

    His pts/gm actually went down.

    I may be because he plays better with a C like 10, who doesn’t need the puck and knows how to play without it.

    83′s production is best in his career with 10.His WOWY’s tell us this.

    Its funny, we pined for a better C for 83 for years and all this time he had his optimal C.

    I’m disappointed that 83 hasn’t produced against 2nd tier comp, and at $5M/yr, that’s a disaster.

    He may be very useful at $3MM/yr as a 3RW, but that ship may have sailed.

    Anything else you would care to mention?

    :)

  55. Woodguy says:

    Captain Happy,

    When asked, I will honour the terms of our bet.

  56. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Not to be a broken record… but I don’t think it’s out of the question to mention the totality of Hemsky’s hockey season (I’ve mentioned this for all these players so far).

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0020832013.html

    Despite playing half the season, Hemsky ended up 2nd in team scoring in Pardubice.

    27 14-18-32 +5

    I think if we are going to evaluate these players with the expectation of looking ahead, we need to take everything we can get our hands on into account.

    Hemsky played very well during the lockout. Surely that has some baring on his performance in the coming years?

  57. LMHF#1 says:

    According to Staples, Hemsky finished the year on a broken ankle? Did I miss that or is this new? I knew “foot injury” but that makes it sound like a twisted ankle or something…not a broken one.

  58. Ribs says:

    LMHF#1,

    Krueger said it was a crack at the end of the year.

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