THE GREAT COMMUNICATOR

Craig MacTavish held a go-to-meeting with the fanbase last night, passing along ‘the plan’ for the summer and once again excited the fanbase. If titillation were a skill, he’d be Gretzky. A few items:

  • Gagner is highest priority re-sign.
  • Gagner could be youngest player in history to be UFA but his goal is for that not to happen. Wants to sign him long term.
  • UFA market is to be approached “cautiously”.
  • Players are often in decline at UFA stage
  • Priority is a center with 7 overall pick
  • MacKinnon, Barkov and Monahan  the 3 centers he wants.
  • He’s had many talks about moving up OR down with fellow GMs.
  • “Very doubtful” he would move any of his “six core guys”
  • Not interested in adding a tough guy who can’t play at a fairly high level.
  • He’s very aware they need to get tougher.
  • Dubnyk’s play was “adequate”
  • Horcoff “being here too long may have had negative effect on his spirit” and “will determine over summer”
  • High on Klefbom

That’s rapido notes, missed 4,000 other items. All items grabbed from twitter, my thanks to all who tweeted.

BALANCED TAKE OFF

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My reading of last night’s discussion is that MacT has identified the Oilers weakness (in terms of personnel) as “up the middle”: C, D and G. He feels his 1-2 C’s (Nuge, Gagner) are fine but is not convinced of the rest of the group–including Shawn Horcoff. So, I think we should expect a Viktor Stalberg type for LW, but that 3 and 4 line is also going to see a lot of C’s who can also play wing. I’d guess that the incumbent wingers for the 3 and 4 lines will be Smyth, Paajarvi and Mike Brown, with Horc hanging by a thread as a 3 or 4 line center/winger.

MacT also wants to address C at the draft—Oilers took a center in the first round in 2002, 2003, 2004–and it sure sounds like they might be willing to deal up for Barkov or Monahan. A quick note on deception: I don’t for a minute discount MacT’s ability to talk up a player in hopes no one is noticing the player he doesn’t mention (no one in the organization has yet uttered the name Elias Lindholm).

He’s not convinced of the goalie Dubnyk, although he’ll certainly get another year to convince everyone. They clearly love Klefbom, don’t think we’ll see him in the minors for long if at all. They’ll be careful in free agency.

More and more, I’m convinced their targets are:

  • A LW like Viktor Stalberg
  • A D acquired via trade, high end (Tyutin?) if possible
  • A solid backup goaltender (Bishop calibre)
  • More than one Center (seriously. As many as three)

If we take the current lineup and make holes for the incoming we get this:

  • Nuge-Hall-Eberle
  • Gagner-???-Yakupov
  • ???-Paajarvi-????
  • ???-Smyth-???

Gone are (possibly) Horcoff, Hemsky, Belanger, Ryan Jones (UFA), Lennart Petrell (UFA), Jerred Smithson (UFA). Guys like Hartikainen are candidates but not sure things. Who did I miss?

His comments on the blue tell me that  Mark Fistric isn’t a slam dunk to return, and that beyond Smid-Petry-Justin Schultz no one is safe. Goal was well covered, Dubnyk hasn’t won the job despite the contract.

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This morning at 10, Team 1260 will once again allow me on the radio.  The Lowdown with Lowetide (Friday edition) will feature:

  • Harrison Mooney from the Vancouver Sun, Pass it to Bulis and Puck Daddy. We’ll talk AV, Morgan Freeman and staying awake. 
  • Evan Daum from the Edmonton Journal. We’ll talk FC, Eskimos and the Memorial Cup.
  • Craig Moonen from the Krush Performance. We’ll talk baseball and Oilers
  • Andreas Morse from FC Edmonton will discuss the season so far, and have more big new from FC!
  • Jungle Jim Hunter will talk about the AB Sports Hall of Fame and this year’s selections.
  • Colin Priestner, well known artist in Edmonton and creator of “Stuff Edmontonians Say” will give us an overview of MacT’s words last night, and he also has a some major news to break on the show.

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106 Responses to "THE GREAT COMMUNICATOR"

  1. regwald says:

    LT, I have the first 12 minutes recorded if you would like a preview I could forward along. Let me know. Damn, why can I never locate your email addy ?

  2. Woodguy says:

    Lindholm played wing this past year.

    Perhaps the Oilers see him as a winger and are going back to the days where half of their wingers came up playing C until the reached the NHL?

  3. Rondo says:

    MacTavish said nothing last night, those bullet points any poster on your blog could have said them.

    What GM is not looking to get better.

    Everyone is looking for a tough guy that can play at a high level.

    I’m surprised he didn’t say he would like Toews or Crosby on the Oilers.

    Nothing bold about MacTavish.

  4. Lloyd B. says:

    Thanks Woodguy That is what everyone who wants to turn Hall into a center, because that is what Messier did, and Hall is the second coming, seems to forget. Messier was a center that played wing for a number of years, I think 4, before being allowed the opportunity to be a center in the NHL.

  5. pboy says:

    I would be targetting two teams to help us with our blue line next season; the NY Rangers and the LA Kings. The Rangers are going to be tight against the cap (unless they swallow the poison pill and buy out Richards) and they have amazing depth on their roster for blueliners. The Kings have two guys in their rotation right now who would fit the bill perfectly for the Oilers. Guys who are big, mean as fuck and both UFA’s who are long in the tooth so you would imagine they wouldn’t be looking for longer than 2 year deals; Robyn Regehr and Rob Scuderi. What say you?

  6. godot10 says:

    pboy:
    Guys who are big, mean as fuck and both UFA’s who are long in the tooth so you would imagine they wouldn’t be looking for longer than 2 year deals; Robyn Regehr and Rob Scuderi. What say you?

    With regards to Regehr and Scuderi, what about Smyth and Belanger and Moreau and Staios falling off of a cliff when a 30-something gets a new contract haven’t you learned.

    You can offer sheet Alzner for the money you would have to pay for Scuderi.
    And there is Voynov, Leddy, McDonagh, and a little bit further down in ability, like Tanev or Gunnarsson, and you don’t have to worry about them falling off of a cliff.

    No 30-something UFA’s please, except on one-year deals.

  7. sliderule says:

    I think that Lindholm playing wing is one of reasons oilers will shy away from him.

    I believe Lazar played a lot of wing and Domi has played wing all year.

    The oilers have to draft a real center not guys like Pitlick who was touted as a center but played wing in college and has been placed there ever since.

    Horvat on the other hand has played center most of the year .His play in the Cup has made me think that there is no way he gets past ten and if the oil want him they probably will have to take him at seven.

  8. FrankenOil says:

    godot10: With regards to Regehr and Scuderi, what about Smyth and Belanger and Moreau and Staios falling off of a cliff when a 30-something gets a new contract haven’t you learned.

    You can offer sheet Alzner for the money you would have to pay for Scuderi.
    And there is Voynov, Leddy, McDonagh, and a little bit further down in ability, like Tanev or Gunnarsson, and you don’t have to worry about them falling off of a cliff.

    No 30-something UFA’s please, except on one-year deals.

    Most logical thing posted in regards to UFA’s I’ve read here in awhile. I’d rather the Oilers bargain hunt at TC and before the season. Look to see who is desperate to come to camp on a try-out to compete against the kids for a job. Look for young d-men who are squeezed out of a roster spot on good teams.

    Basically, I’m saying, for the love of God, I will believe that MacT is an upgrade when the organization doesn’t act like July 1st (or 5th i believe it is this year) is the only time to upgrade the team before the trade deadline. I’d rather let Lander prove he isn’t the answer, then sign another Vet to a 3 yr overpay contract on the first dday of free agency. I pray MacT saves 6 or 7 contract spots for waiver wire players to give them a test drive.

  9. FrankenOil says:

    With MacT’s comments about trading up,

    Does anyone think NSH would do something along the lines of:

    Hemsky + 7th OV
    for
    Blum + 4th OV?

    I know the “Blum” has fallen off his rose a little, but I’m still very interested.

  10. jfry says:

    Forget alzner. They’ve already come up with two contract scenarios he likes. Hes just deciding which. He won’t be moving.

    As per text messages with him.

  11. regwald says:

    The biggest thing I liked about the MacT conf. call was that it is obvious he has assessed and looked at all parts of the hockey team – coaching and players. He has identified shortcomings – team toughness, 3rd and 4th lines. He wants Dubnyk to be better, he thinks Khabi is too fragile. He wants a strong back up. He confirmed he thinks Ralph is the guy, he obviously found an issue with Horcoff – whether it be his attitude or level of try or if Horc came to him and said I am worn out and need a change. There’s something there and he will address.

    Will he make all the right choices and decisions ? probably not, but he has an ACTION plan of how he wants to make changes and will start doing so to address issues and areas of concern.

    This is leadership.

  12. rich says:

    What MacT said last night may very well be obvious to a lot of us who post here, but what has been most refreshing about this is that after 4+ years of hearing Tambellini hem and haw (we’re assessing) we’re now transitioning to a period where the GM is going to at least express his vision for the team in a clear and meaningful way.

    From his comments early on about stating that we’re moving past the period of “neglect” to his points from last night, it’s clear he is at least setting the bar higher and giving us something to measure him by (beyond acquiring picks for MBS and the scouts to use).

    I would have to believe at the very least he is going to make better decisions on FA’s (a staple of the early KLowe years) and that in and of itself would be a welcome change.

    Can’t wait to see how it all plays out.

  13. thebiggestmanintheworld says:

    I’ll admit, I was a bit wary of MacT coming in as GM. The more I hear him, or about what he has said, the more at ease I am.

    It wasn’t anything earthshattering, however, in the past,the Oilers probably wouldn’t have laid it out there like he did. Very refreshing.

    I’m encouraged about the draft talk, and the Gagner issue, but more importantly, the Horcoff one.

    Now, this horse has been beat enough, but the way MacT put it, IMO, is how I feel about Horcoff, and to an extent, Hemsky and Smyth. Maybe the losing has got to him,maybe its the fans, the contract, whatever…..His time here is done. I wish Horcoff no ill-will and hope he gets a job patrolling a team 3-4 line somewhere. There’s still a player there, just buried under years of failure and dissapointment.

    I honestly believe the Horcoff/Hemsky situations are some of the “bold moves” he was referring to in his first PC. It may not seemlike much, but for the Oilers orginization, getting rid of two soldiers like that is huge.

    Anyway, I am starting to feel encouraged,and a lot earlier than usual……

    Is next year going to be the better one we’ve been waiting sooooooo long for? It’ll be very interesting, either way.

  14. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    “Priority is a center with 7 overall pick.”
    “MacKinnon, Barkov and Monahan the 3 centers he wants”

    Wonder what he wants Feaster to make of those as good as public statements?

  15. LMHF#1 says:

    Even encouraging talk is cheap until we see action. This could be a sound and bold plan to move forward or it could be fluff designed to placate the fan base. I’m hopeful we see strong additions and a 3-for-1 deal that lands us a real player.

    We wait.

    (I did that last part correctly, right LT?)

  16. steveb12344 says:

    Нинтендо⁶⁴: “Priority is a center with 7 overall pick.”“MacKinnon, Barkov and Monahan the 3 centers he wants”Wonder what he wants Feaster to make of those as good as public statements?

    Pretty sure Feaster will make what he feels is the best choice for his orginization. Can’t see why he would give a rat’s ass who Edmonton wants.

  17. pboy says:

    godot10: With regards to Regehr and Scuderi, what about Smyth and Belanger and Moreau and Staios falling off of a cliff when a 30-something gets a new contract haven’t you learned.You can offer sheet Alzner for the money you would have to pay for Scuderi.And there is Voynov, Leddy, McDonagh, and a little bit further down in ability, like Tanev or Gunnarsson, and you don’t have to worry about them falling off of a cliff.No 30-something UFA’s please, except on one-year deals.

    I wouldn’t go for more than 2 years for either of those guys but they are the type of players the Oilers need on their back end and players like that always have some value at trade deadline time.

    when a 30-something gets a new contract haven’t you learned

    This is a ridiculous statement. So you don’t believe in giving any 30+ year olds new contracts? Maybe the Oiler’s have done an extremely poor job of choosing which 30+ players to add to their team? And by maybe, I mean no shit. The term for Smyth was too long, Belanger was a bad fit, Khabi got at least 1 year, more likely 2 years too many…… Other teams are able to bring in the 30+ year old crowd and have those players contribute. It’s not exactly shooting fish in a barrel when it comes to signing younger players to longer contracts either…..

  18. DBO says:

    Nashville is an interesting trading partner. With their commitment to Weber and the need for any kind of scoring. Not to mention the shedding of Erat’s salary last year, they are stocked with young talent and a guy like Hemsky would become their top offensive threat right away. I think the 7th plus Hemsky for Blum and the 4th is a true possibility, although we may have to throw in a prospect up front as well (maybe it’s a Pitlik, or even a Rajala).

  19. Beaker says:

    Rondo:
    MacTavish said nothing last night, those bullet points any poster on your blog could have said them.

    What GM is not looking to get better.

    Everyone is looking for a tough guy that can play at a high level.

    I’m surprised he didn’t say he would like Toews or Crosby on the Oilers.

    Nothing bold about MacTavish.

    You’re being a boob. Guy hasnt even had a chance to make deals yet of any kind and has said a few times things along the lines of “none of this talk means anything it’s going to come down to what I actually do”.

    So yes, he’s saying things that most people want if they are honest but so far the alternative to what MacT has given us is Tambellini’s smirky mumblings and grumblings with guaranteed no action. So while there is no evidence for people to be betting their life savings on a miraculous turn around this year there’s also no call for the inane pessimistic sarcastic b.s. either.

  20. leadfarmer says:

    DBO,

    Considering Nashville viewed Hemsky as being worth as a 2nd and a 4th recently and he has not done much to increase his value I doubt Nashville would do that for just the 4th let alone throw in anything of value.

  21. FrankenOil says:

    To me there are 5 things MAcT can do this off-season and consider it a win:

    1)Trade Hemmer for a blueliner
    2)Buy-out Horcoff
    3)Don’t try to fill every roster hole on the first day of free agency
    4) Actually invite NHL free agents for try-outs at training camp
    5) Save 5 or 6 contract spots for the start of the year to try and upgrade with TC tryouts and waivers throughout the year

    That would be a hell of an off-season and really signify a new chapter and phase.

  22. Beaker says:

    pboy: I wouldn’t go for more than 2 years for either of those guys but they are the type of players the Oilers need on their back end and players like that always have some value at trade deadline time.

    when a 30-something gets a new contract haven’t you learned

    This is a ridiculous statement. So you don’t believe in giving any 30+ year olds new contracts? Maybe the Oiler’s have done an extremely poor job of choosing which 30+ players to add to their team? And by maybe, I mean no shit. The term for Smyth was too long, Belanger was a bad fit, Khabi got at least 1 year, more likely 2 years too many…… Other teams are able to bring in the 30+ year old crowd and have those players contribute. It’s not exactly shooting fish in a barrel when it comes to signing younger players to longer contracts either…..

    I worry more about their track record for dealing for/with injury proned guys more than I am 30+s. Khabibulin was undoubtedly too long a contract but worse than that was bringing in the guy who historically you knew you weren’t going to be able rely on to be healthy

  23. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    steveb12344,

    If he’s really playing poker about the price to trade up does he really want Feaster, Rutherford, and Poile to know Nichushkin isn’t of interest? So maybe he wants Nichushkin.

  24. striatic says:

    FrankenOil:
    With MacT’s comments about trading up,

    Does anyone think NSH would do something along the lines of:

    Hemsky + 7th OV
    for
    Blum + 4th OV?

    I know the “Blum” has fallen off his rose a little, but I’m still very interested.

    no, i don’t think that happens.

    Hemsky for Blum straight up might though.

  25. Beaker says:

    How about Hemsky + 7th + one of our second rounders this year for 4th and Blum?

  26. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    Нинтендо⁶⁴,

    or Lindholm.

  27. JohnnyOilfan says:

    Here’s a transcript of last night’s AGM phone in session MacT had with the season ticketsholders.

    http://www.630ched.com/Blogs/thebullpen/BlogEntry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10548622

  28. RexLibris says:

    steveb12344: Pretty sure Feaster will make what he feels is the best choice for his orginization. Can’t see why he would give a rat’s ass who Edmonton wants.

    But the question is, are Feaster’s decisions best for the organization?

  29. godot10 says:

    I can’t see Nashville trading out of a centre at #4.

    Moving up is probably more Tampa (take Malone’s buyout off of their hands), or Florida (taking a buyout contract off of their hands).

    Say Brian Campbell and the #2 for Hemsky, Horcoff, and the #7. Florida saves almostt $10 million actual dollars in that deal.

  30. striatic says:

    Beaker: How about Hemsky + 7th + one of our second rounders this year for 4th and Blum?

    Nashville isn’t going to trade the 4th for magic beans.

  31. striatic says:

    godot10: I can’t see Nashville trading out of a centre at #4.
    Moving up is probably more Tampa (take Malone’s buyout off of their hands), or Florida (taking a buyout contract off of their hands).
    Say Brian Campbell and the #2 for Hemsky, Horcoff, and the #7. Florida saves almostt $10 million actual dollars in that deal.

    these scenarios are all more likely than NSH moving the 4th OV.

  32. steveb12344 says:

    RexLibris: But the question is, are Feaster’s decisions best for the organization?

    That is precisely why i made sure to say “What he feels is best”

    Who knows what he thinks is the best choice? I’m pretty sure though, that whatever it is. It won’t be influenced by what Edm. or the team picking 7th wants.

  33. Ryan says:

    Woodguy:
    Lindholm played wing this past year.

    Perhaps the Oilers see him as a winger and are going back to the days where half of their wingers came up playing C until the reached the NHL?

    Ah, the ‘San Jose’ model… I’m a fan of this approach.

  34. Ryan says:

    Plus one. Been banging on that same drum for a while now.

    Btw everyone, there’s a YouTube in the post and I’m commenting with an iPhone.

    The issue’s fixed?!?

    FrankenOil:
    To me there are 5 things MAcT can do this off-season and consider it a win:

    1)Trade Hemmer for a blueliner
    2)Buy-out Horcoff
    3)Don’t try to fill every roster hole on the first day of free agency
    4) Actually invite NHL free agents for try-outs at training camp
    5) Save 5 or 6 contract spots for the start of the year to try and upgrade with TC tryouts and waivers throughout the year

    That would be a hell of an off-season and really signify a new chapter and phase.

  35. Jordan says:

    MacT also wants to address C at the draft—Oilers took a center in the first round in 2002, 2003, 2004–and it sure sounds like they might be willing to deal up for Barkov or Monahan. A quick note on deception: I don’t for a minute discount MacT’s ability to talk up a player in hopes no one is noticing the player he doesn’t mention (no one in the organization has yet uttered the name Elias Lindholm).

    LT, I don’t think we need to over-think this. The Oilers do not want to draft any more small skilled C. Period. Look at who’s been moving on in the playoffs this year:

    Pittsburg – Best 1-2 C in the league, surrounded by gritty scorers
    Ottawa – Young team with szie and skill, and a very good goalie
    Boston – Size & Skill throughout the lineup
    LA – Size & Skill throughout the lineup
    San Jose – Size & Skill throughout the lineup
    Detroit – Perenial contender with both Ds and Fs with a wide range of skills, and a strong under-rated goalie
    Chicago – Skilled forwards & D with some size, but more speed
    NY Rags – Size & skill with a great goalie

    There are a few different combinations that seem to do well in this league, but small skill doesn’t seem to do it. So… Occam’s razor, no?

    To be really honest, I really like the idea of keeping all of the kids. However, I question whether those “6 core players” are actually the foundations of a true contender. I like what they all bring, I’m just not sure it complements each other enough to win 4 playoff series in a row.

  36. Jordan says:

    Sorry for the Double-post but I have a hypothetical scenario to run by you all:

    Say Florida wants to keep Campbell on the team, but don’t like his contact. However, my understanding is that if a team buys out that player, they cannot re-sign him, correct?

    Could they trade him to the Oilers with a draft pick, and have the Oilers buy him out, and then be free to re-sign him to a more reasonable contract?

    If that is do-able… does this set a price on the value of a draft pick?

  37. Gerta Rauss says:

    Jordan,

    The ISS ranking in March have Lindholm at 6′ 192 lbs…they have him heavier than Monahan(but 2 inches shorter)

    Woodguy’s point about playing wing is disturbing however, that’s the first I have heard of that-that would explain why they may not have him on their radar(ie: he’s not a natural center)

  38. BlacqueJacque says:

    Jordan,

    Katz is cheap. I don’t see him doing that.

  39. LMHF#1 says:

    Can someone explain why they are so sky-high on Klefbom?

    I really don’t understand it.

  40. Rondo says:

    Okay I’ll play the game.

    You want Barkov your #7 pick and first round pick 2014 +

    You want MacKinnon I’ll take Eberle + first round pick 2013

  41. Gerta Rauss says:

    Rondo,

    I agree that moving up in the draft is going to cost us next year’s 1st rounder-at least. If Barkov is the target I think Calgary is going to be in their pitching at the same time we are, and they have more(and better) bullets than we do.

    And to Striatic’s point, I can’t see why Nashville or Carolina would pass on Barkov and move down.

  42. VOR says:

    LMHF#1,

    I am not saying I agree with them but I can certainly explain why the Oilers are high on Klefbom. MacT keeps saying it, the Oilers want to play transition hockey. They don’t have the guys on D to make that happen, at least not enough, Schultz the younger and Petry are a good start. Ignore how Klefbom played in the SEL, think about the guy we saw in the final at the WJC. He was taking the puck in his own end and simply blowing past very fast Russians. OK is an exceptional skater and freed from the constraints of SEL hockey he has always shown flashes of offense, often off the rush in transition. Bluntly, and in old time terms, they think he is Serge Savard, a guy whose game is perfectly suited to destroy forecheck pressure and create transitional opportunities.

  43. striatic says:

    LMHF#1: Can someone explain why they are so sky-high on Klefbom?

    the numbers don’t really show how good a Dman is, i agree, but he was the World Junior Championships MVP.

  44. LMHF#1 says:

    Thanks Vor and Striatic.

    I guess I’m just weirded out by the excitement over a guy that’s already had significant stretches of injury and hasn’t played any games in North America yet. The SEL’s method of tracking assists doesn’t help much to understand whether he will be a strong transition player against men. The thing is, my expectations of him are quite low so I’ll be happy to be blown away.

    Just don’t give him a guaranteed roster spot. Please.

  45. Racki says:

    In the end, I was one of the paper bag-wearing types, screaming to run MacTavish out of town as coach, in his final years. But I always admired the guy. Smart man.

    This phone interview thing was no exception.. god, it’s like he’s tapped into my brain, whereas Tambellini felt SO disconnected and oblivious to problems here. MacTavish is saying all the right things.

    I especially loved that he said they are going to try and get *at least* a couple goaltenders. Tambellini was always plugging Khabibulin as MVP. “If we hadn’t lost our MVP, who knows what might have happened”. News flash, MVP needs to be put down like a horse with a badly broken leg. MacTavish credited Khabibulin for being very good in games he played (he was), but also noted that Khabibulin is a broken man now and can’t play enough games. This is what I really needed to hear. The Oilers will never go anywhere with a tandem of Khabibulin and Dubnyk, even if Dubnyk does emerge as a pretty good goaltender.

    They really SHOULD consider Dubnyk as a fallback plan, in my opinion, and be trying to improve even on him as starter. I’ve been raving about the need for a guy like Mike Smith who is a superb puck handler. I’m not sure we can afford it, but if they buy out Horcoff, this becomes more of an option. This team is constantly hemmed in their own zone, and it starts from the goaltender who bumbles it behind the net with too much frequency and kills any potential for a speedy breakout. There’s more to a breakout than just a goaltender (defense!), but this is one area I’d love to improve on, and think it would help us a lot.

    Horcoff… always been a fan and supporter, but I would welcome a buyout. The cap is now going to become an issue again, and it will hinder us. Horcoff at $2-3M would be a great #3C. Horcoff at $5.5M is easily replaceable with someone cheaper. So let’s do that.

    I think this team needs an overall in the bottom six too, and MacTavish has been adamant about that too. There are many areas that need improving, but they are areas that should cost us an arm and a leg, aside from that need for a big center, should we try and fill it. Several small but significant changes will have a big impact on this team, postively.

  46. gogliano says:

    Also of note with Klefbom is that Klefbom had a lot of comparisons with his former teammate, Brodin–who probably should have won ROY honors. I don’t think we can expect a similar performance from Klefbom in his first year, especially absent a Suter-esque partner, but it isn’t impossible that Klefbom has at least a similar transition to NHL ice.

  47. Captain Obvious says:

    It’s hard to be encouraged when you think of how far this team is from being good. The young stars are no longer cheap and the entire back end of the team needs to be constructed out of nothing. MacTavish needs to undo years of neglect.

    So while MacTavish is saying a lot of good things realistically we are entering year one of the rebuild.

  48. jonrmcleod says:

    I don’t think Nashville will trade the 4th because it’s possible Drouin will be available with that pick.

  49. godot10 says:

    Mike Smith is more likely a product of Dave Tippett, like Bryz, than a good goaltender. He was mediocre at the World Championships.

    The only coach who Mike Smith has played well for is Dave Tippett, in both Dallas and Phoenix. In Tampa, he couldn’t stop a beach ball.

    The Oilers are NOT going to play highly structured defensive hockey the way Tippett teams plays..

    The Detroit model for goaltending is the right one. Stay short term and cheap until you develop one in house. And then sign the home grown guy to a long contract.

    If Mike Smith comes on a short deal, I have no problem with it. But megacontracts to UFA goaltenders without having stress-tested them on your team first is the height of stupidity, particularly now since contracts cannot be buried.

    Anaheim has good cheap young goaltenders coming out of their ears. Get one of theirs.

  50. Woodguy says:

    LMHF#1:
    Can someone explain why they are so sky-high on Klefbom?

    I really don’t understand it.

    When he and Brodin played together by many reports they were almost equals.

    Brodin is a hellova Dman.

    Also,

    The guy who runs The Redline Report said he might end up being the best Dman in his draft year.

  51. Jon K says:

    I find it extremely hard to believe that MacT would neglect to mention Lindholm at least as a possibility. Especially given the team’s recent demonstrated willingness to draft Swedish talent high in the draft (Klefbom, Lander, Paajarvi). It may very well be that they are very concerned Calgary may take him at 6 and are playing a game of deception as you suggest, LT.

    At least that’s what the optimist in me hopes.

    If they do not want Lindholm because of the (fair) criticism that he doesn’t possess the size they crave in a centre, one would think that they at least would have mentioned that as a concern. Then again, MacKinnon isn’t a big centre at all either. Elite prospects lists MacKinnon as 5’11″ and 179 lbs, whereas they list Lindholm as 6′ and 192 lbs.

    Fingers crossed for Lindholm.

  52. Rocknrolla says:

    DBO:
    Nashville is an interesting trading partner. With their commitment to Weber and the need for any kind of scoring. Not to mention the shedding of Erat’s salary last year, they are stocked with young talent and a guy like Hemsky would become their top offensive threat right away. I think the 7th plus Hemsky for Blum and the 4th is a true possibility, although we may have to throw in a prospect up front as well (maybe it’s a Pitlik, or even a Rajala).

    Agreed! Like this deal…Walking out of the draft with Barkov, and Blum, and $5M cap space would be music!

  53. VOR says:

    Elias Lindholm isn’t playing center this year in the SEL because he was placed on a line with his cousin Calle Jarnkrok, who is also a center. Somebody had to play wing. When Joe Sakic and Peter Forsberg played together Forsberg was a winger, didn’t mean he couldn’t play center. Lindholm played center at the WJC and played well. Apparently up until this year Lindholm had always been a center. Interestingly he shoots right but when moved to the wing he went to the left wing.

    I mentioned Forsberg specifically because Lindhom keeps getting compared to him by the Swedish Press. It probably isn’t fair or valid. Lindholm in no way has Forsberg’s wheels or that amazing shot. In fact, Lindholm is more playmaker than scorer. Where they are similar is that Lindholm is hard on the puck all over the ice. The kid really can play defense.

    Didn’t we just discuss how MacT likes players who can play center playing on the wings? We know he loves players who work very hard at not leaving anything for the opposition offense. That is Lindholm.

    I think given what we know it is possible MacT is trying to prevent anybody realizing how badly the Oilers want Lindholm. However, I don’t think we can discount the idea Corey Pronman advanced yesterday on LT’s radio show that Nikita Zadorov is the Oilers’ target. Zadorov may be a generational talent and is moving up the rankings with a bullet. 6’5″ 230 skates like Justin Schultz. Yes, the Oilers could well be going Zadorov all the way.

  54. Gerta Rauss says:

    VOR,

    Thanks for that update-Lindholm is my pick-fingers crossed.

  55. Racki says:

    godot10:
    Mike Smith is more likely a product of Dave Tippett, like Bryz, than a good goaltender.He was mediocre at the World Championships.

    The only coach who Mike Smith has played well for is Dave Tippett, in both Dallas and Phoenix.In Tampa, he couldn’t stop a beach ball.

    The Oilers are NOT going to play highly structured defensive hockey the way Tippett teams plays..

    The Detroit model for goaltending is the right one.Stay short term and cheap until you develop one in house.And then sign the home grown guy to a long contract.

    If Mike Smith comes on a short deal, I have no problem with it.But megacontracts to UFA goaltenders without having stress-tested them on your team first is the height of stupidity, particularly now since contracts cannot be buried.

    Anaheim has good cheap young goaltenders coming out of their ears.Get one of theirs.

    I think as far as “in the net” play, Smith was as good a goaltender as Dubnyk in the Worlds. However, outside of the net, Smith was leaps and bounds ahead of Dubnyk. Like, incomparably better. The speed with which he gets to the puck, and his ability to know WHAT to do with it when he has it on his stick… that’s what would make me sign him. I don’t have too much issues with Dubnyk. Some hate his “one bad goal a game”… me, I just hate his inability to handle the puck outside of the net, as it hinders our breakout. Smith works so quickly behind his net that on a dump in, we could have the upper hand rather than scrambling all the time as we do with Dubnyk or Khabi in net.

    I don’t think people can quite understand just how important this is until they see it. Think Dwayne Roloson, I suppose. I wasn’t a fan of his “in net” play, but his puck handling was gold.. that is something we’re missing. It is just one tweak to this team.. not going to make us a winner… but make enough of these and they will add up.

    Khabi’s $3.75M will be gone, Horcoff *might* get bought out.. Whitney’s 4M will be gone.. Hemsky might get moved… this will give us a little wiggle room to make some good decisions. Someone on ON guessed around $4M-5M for Smith.. sounds about right. The Oilers could consider moving Dubnyk and his $3.5M to make room too.

    Basically to sum, Smith over Dubnyk… not a big leap as far as in net play, but a tremendous leap for his out of net play. Worth the ~$1.5M extra.

  56. RickDeckard says:

    I like trading the 7th for couturier. Play him on the third with prv and then buyout hoc. That saves about $4m that caan be used for either a dman or the 2lw.

  57. Beaker says:

    striatic: Nashville isn’t going to trade the 4th for magic beans.

    Sure, im not even trying to suggest its a smart idea. Just building off of the premise built by others. They arent going to trade that pick for just magic beans but theres no saying a bean or two cant be part of the deal. Teams like Nashville need talented players coming up on affordable contracts like ELCs so in a draft this deep 2nd rounders have to be intriguing to them. They still have to draft like everyone else.

  58. Beaker says:

    Also, count me in on the Couturier idea (or something like that).

  59. FastOil says:

    MacT I think knows NHL hockey well and is on the ball with what it takes to win. I also wanted him gone as coach, because he was stale and frustrated and publicly attacking his players which is not a good thing IMO. Change seemed needed.

    While his thoughts as GM are encouraging and his style a breath of fresh air (I can’t wait for another comment like ‘listening to Burke talk is liking taking a drink from a fire hose’) what remains to be seen is what kind of horse trader he is.

    He knows what he wants, I sure hope he can get it. There are deals out there and it would be nice to see the Oilers benefit from a few for once. After years of the only thing of interest happening being good players leaving for largely crap it’s hard to be patient. I want him to turn the roster over pronto and get one of those centres, but of course he should wait for the right opportunities.

    And I agree he should leave contract and cap room so they can actually pick up waiver and unsigned players etc. if they like one.

  60. prairieschooner says:

    I really want Klefbom to be as big a success as everyone is saying but the guy has not played much hockey lately.
    He is not an offensive Dman
    He has good transition ability and is a decent size.
    Is he really the second coming?
    Or are we just getting stoked up over a haven’t really seen him ?

  61. Racki says:

    prairieschooner:
    I really want Klefbom to be as big a success as everyone is saying but the guy has not played much hockey lately.
    He is not an offensive Dman
    He has good transition ability and is a decent size.
    Is he really the second coming?
    Or are we just getting stoked up over a haven’t really seen him ?

    I’ll second that. those that have seen him seem to be impressed, but he’s missed a tonne of hockey recently, but the hype machine keeps rolling on somehow. Oh one thing though re: not being offensive d-man.. supposedly he moves the puck quite well though. I always prefer a guy who is able to handle play in his own zone first and foremost though (then any offensive ability is icing on the cake).

  62. TheOtherJohn says:

    Completely understand why EVERYONE wants Klefbom to be the real deal. I do. Hope so, too.
    Klefbom is a big body, a very very good skater and had a GREAT 2012 WJC!! He was not, though, on the 1st PP, on the Swedish WJC team

    He may become the best D man in his draft year. There are, though, some good D men in that draft

    But:

    His time in the SEL was not particularly noteworthy. Brodin played an awful lot more, including a full playoff run the year before their draft year. Nor was he partnered with Brodin in the SEL. Brodn played 3 games in SEL as a 16 year old, Klefbom none and Brodin played in the 2010 U18 WC and Klefbom did not.

    2010-11

    Brodin 42 gms 0-4-4pts and 14 playoff games w 2 goals. Klefbom played in 23 gms with 1-1- 2pts ZERO playoff games

    2011-12 Draft year

    Brodin 48 gms 0-8 8pts & Klefbom 33 gms 2-0 2 pts

    Statistically they are not that similar and I believe on posts that year from Sweden, that Klefom was a healthy scratch frequently in 2010/11. Klefbom played 11 gms last year with 3 assists before getting injured. Believe it would have been within that small window that MacT would have seen Klefbom play or else via video

    He may still be an NHL stud. Just not off of what he did in the SEL.

  63. striatic says:

    VOR: Zadorov may be a generational talent and is moving up the rankings with a bullet. 6’5″ 230 skates like Justin Schultz. Yes, the Oilers could well be going Zadorov all the way.

    personally i want Zadorov over Lindholm. it looks like he isn’t done growing into his frame and will be built more like a Chara than a Meyers.

    if you pick him, i think he can play next year in a third line role based on his size and speed making up for mistakes but i would not expect any offense from him. there is still a gaping hole at C.

    makes Smid more movable though.

  64. MrSmitty says:

    I think if its possible to trade for the #2 or #3 if McKinnon is still there we got to try and do it. Can you imagine the speed of McKinnon, Hall and Yakupov on a line in the future. Other teams coaches would fear them like no other line in the NHL.

  65. LMHF#1 says:

    Woodguy: When he and Brodin played together by many reports they were almost equals.

    Brodin is a hellova Dman.

    Also,

    The guy who runs The Redline Report said he might end up being the best Dman in his draft year.

    And I’ll be really pleased if that is the case, I just don’t see it yet. Hopefully he comes to training camp and makes it look easy.

  66. danny says:

    Hey everyone… question.

    Anyone know if theres a way to get Gretzky’s autograph?

    Obviously there’s a cost and that’s not a problem (within reason of course), just no clue if there’s anything/anyone out there that facilitates this sorta thing?

    I have a 24×36″ hand drawn Gretzky collage that I paid an artist to create for me, it’s mounted on foamcore and laminated for protection. I would love to get it autographed for my rec room. I’d feel like a kid again looking at that thing.

  67. Racki says:

    MacTavish was just on 630 Ched, reiterating much of what we heard, but I am getting more and more the feeling that we’ll see big goalie changes (much to my excitement).

    The biggest line was this (not word for word, but the sentiment is exact): “I’ve always felt that with goaltending, if you have to ask the question, you already know the answer”. This was in regards to whether Dubnyk is a #1. This is what I feel with a lot of unknowns like Lander, Hartikainen, and others. I think these guys all could be very good players, but we need guys to PUSH them to be better. I don’t want “sink or swim”. I want them to fight for their spot ahead with a proven guy and have them say “hey, I can be as good/better than him”. We’ve experimented with players for too long. Time to get results. Dubnyk would make a fine backup (or 1a/1b) in the interim while he continues to try and prove he’s a #1.

  68. admiralmark says:

    Of topic.. But Pendergast gone from Hockey Canada… about time!

  69. dulock says:

    Has anyone read this from the transcript? They’re want a centre or Dman but expect the centres to be gone by 7. They’re looking hard at D. Zadorov, Nurse or Ristolainen if Monahan is gone. Possibly trading down to 8 or 9 as well.

    On what he’s thinking with the 7th overall choice in the upcoming Entry Draft:

    “Well, we’ve talked to a number of teams about that seventh pick and moving that pick in either direction. I think that’s something that we’re very amenable to. If we do move that pick back and get an asset that we feel can come in and help the current group, we’d be more than happy to have any of those discussions, and have had many of those discussions with a lot of the managers at this point. In terms of moving up, I’ve had a couple discussions with managers about moving up.

    Our wish list in the draft would be to draft a centerman and/or a defenseman with that pick in that area. The higher end centermen, not to divulge too much about where we’re ranking players, but if you look at the public rankings like Red Line or Central Scouting, there are really three very high end centermen available in this draft. Nathan MacKinnon from Halifax, Monahan from Ottawa and also Barkov, who played in the Finnish men’s league. I think that those three centermen, relative to some of the public rankings, we would finish just out of the realm of getting one of those three centermen if we didn’t move up.

    It’s going to be a very strategic draft in that regard. There are teams ahead of us that are more inclined to draft a defenseman and there may be more of those that you’d be very happy with on the 7th, 8th or 9th pick, so there might be a fit there. Those are definitely discussions that we’re having that we’re looking to improve our team by.”

  70. mustang says:

    LT, I’m thinking its the deception game as well that MacT is playing. I think they want Lindholm. He’s a young kid playing in a mens league and doing very well. He apparently is a very talented, intelligent young man who plays both ends of the rink. He’s not a huge player but thats ok,it’s all about intelligence, talent and heart. Sounds as though this player has that. I would be happy with this pick personally.

  71. russ99 says:

    That whole UFA thing is a bunch of hooey – there are plenty of good players available as UFAs, just that the good players are all expensive, UFA talent is at a premium. You just have to be smart about it.

    And signing a guy is better than not doing anything at all, like our previous GM did.

  72. Rocknrolla says:

    danny: danny

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    I have had success with Framework Sports Marketing on purchasing some signed items, but they have done signings with Gretz in the past, so I would contact them.

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  73. striatic says:

    russ99: That whole UFA thing is a bunch of hooey – there are plenty of good players available as UFAs, just that the good players are all expensive, UFA talent is at a premium. You just have to be smart about it.

    i’m increasingly of the mind that if you’re going to talk about what the team should be or shouldn’t be doing in regards to UFAs, you shouldn’t speak in generalities.

    there aren’t *that* many UFAs out there, and the UFA season is very short .. so what we are really talking about is hiring specific guys.

    whenever someone says “The Oilers need to get a UFA defenseman” all i can think is “ok .. which one?”

    it is all about the specific player.

  74. Ribs says:

    Well now I’m a little worried that they’ll waste resources chasing around goalies. The position is one that the team can get by with as-is. Fix the worse problems first, please!

  75. oilersfan says:

    For those of you who keep asking about Lindholm, listen to the Kyle Woodlief of Redline Report interview yesterday on Gregor’s website. Woodlief said that Lindholm plays gritty but is small and may spend a lot of time injured as a result. He said he likes him a lot but is concerned he will miss too much time to injury.

    sounds like Brule and Colby Armstrong.

    For those who keep saying he is 6.0 and 192…woodlief says just under 6’0 and 185…whereas Monahan, regardless of weight, if he is 6.2 or 6.3 has the frame to get to over 205-210ish, I prefer Monahan based on the size and concern of injury. Not to mention he played on one of the worst teams in the CHL and still got over a ppg with nobody to pass to or pass to him…

  76. Clay says:

    I haven’t read a single comment as I’m at work and don’t have time :( but wanted to throw in my two cents. My apologies if these are the most un-original thoughts…

    First, MacT has gone on about players who can make plays at full speed and play at a high level of speed. Wouldn’t the first player to go under this criteria be Smytty? No one doubts his heart, but this entire season he looked as if he forgot to take his skate guards off.

    Second, I believe MacT is very intelligent, and I believe that the Barkov – MacKinnon – Monahan hype from him could indeed be intended to do what LT suggests above. “Pay no attention to that Lindholm behind the curtain!”

    But, if we’re to believe that, then we have to believe that his talk of the importance of Gagner, the value of Gagner, and the burning desire to sign Gagner long term is just as likely a ploy to raise Gagner’s stature in the minds of potential trading partners, as it is genuine talk of how much MacT likes the player.

  77. BlacqueJacque says:

    LT, I may have been wrong about MacT as GM.

  78. fifthcartel says:

    Terry Jones ‏@sunterryjones 26m

    Craig MacTavish is leaving enough clues. Smyth and Gagner stay. Horcoff and Hemsky go. Needs further convincing one way or other re Dubnyk.

    Wonder if they get anything of value for Hemsky, but looks like Horcoff might actually be a buyout.

  79. Racki says:

    If you think about all the stuff MacT has said lately regarding Hemsky, it sounds like they will talk to him first and see what he really feels about everything. I think they’ll make promises that things will be different here, and losing will no longer be acceptable/expected here. So it’ll be up to both Horcoff and Hemsky to buy in, and whether they think they can forget about the torment they’ve suffered by sticking it out with this terrible team.

    If they can, maybe MacT keeps them.. if not, then yah, Hemsky will be moved, Horcoff will be compliance bought out.

    MacT mentioned that these guys are owed some loyalty in proper handling, but I think what that means is that the Oilers will do what is in their best interests too. So Horcoff would have to be on the same page, if they want to buy him out, for example. I don’t see any road blocks with that though, if they go that route.

    It’ll be interesting to see what happens.

  80. mustang says:

    godot10:

    Say Brian Campbell and the #2 for Hemsky, Horcoff, and the #7.Florida saves almostt $10 million actual dollars in that deal.

    That’s a very interesting trade scenario, I like it. Not sure how many yrs Campbell has on his contract, but he can move the puck which MacT wants, then we also would be guaranteed Barkov or MacKinnon. To good to be true more than likely.

  81. Woodguy says:

    From Tencer’s transcript of the MacT thing: Oscar Klefbom:

    “We have high hopes for Oscar Klefbom.

    In the course of what I was doing this year early, I took a trip to Farjestad to watch Oscar. I went in there with one of our Swedish scouts, Pelle Eklund, and it was one of those games where I walked in, sat down, watched warm-up, Oscar came on the ice. The team that they were playing, Modo at the time, dumped the puck in the corner. Oscar pivoted and went back hard and fast for the puck. He fought off a pretty physical forecheck, turned to the back of the net, made a movement of the puck, a simple play, a direct pass up to the wall. That player subsequently turned the puck over. Oscar closed the gap in a hurry in the corner, used his stick, finished his check, knocked the guy off the puck, spun the other side of the net and moved the puck out. I turned to Pelle at the time and said, we can pretty much pack up our briefcase right now and get outta here, I’ve seen enough.

    I’m always a little bit skeptical when I hear very positive things without having seen them myself. I wanted to spend that trip, get over, take a look at Oscar and we have high hopes that he’ll be a part of our team very quickly. Whether he needs some time, we like to think that all players are benefited from some sort of time in the American Hockey League. Oscar, having played with men this year, might be an exception, but that will be determined at training camp for him.”

  82. Gerta Rauss says:

    oilersfan:
    For those of you who keep asking about Lindholm, listen to the Kyle Woodlief of Redline Report interview yesterday on Gregor’s website. Woodlief said that Lindholm plays gritty but is small and may spend a lot of time injured as a result. He said he likes him a lot but is concerned he will miss too much time to injury.

    sounds like Brule and Colby Armstrong.

    For those who keep saying he is 6.0 and 192…woodlief says just under 6’0 and 185…whereas Monahan, regardless of weight, if he is 6.2 or 6.3 has the frame to get to over 205-210ish, I prefer Monahan based on the size and concern of injury. Not to mention he played on one of the worst teams in the CHL and still got over a ppg with nobody to pass to or pass to him…

    I’ve mentioned Lindholm’s size/weight on occasion(including this thread)

    Bobby Mac referred to him in the fall as an “undersized player” and listed him at 5’11 and 181 lbs(at that time). You can find this height and weight repeated all over the internet.

    What caught my eye in the last 8 weeks was the ISS rankings, and specifically the height and weight listed for Lindholm. The April rankings list him at 6′ and 192 lbs.You can click on their monthly rankings and go back to October, and see Lindholms height and weight at that time.

    Now, this being the internet and all, ISS could be out to lunch, and that info is wrong. Or, maybe the kid is growing and putting on weight.

    http://www.isshockey.com/iss-top-30/iss-top-30-april-2013/

    Woodlief is a terrific draft resource, and has Monahan/Lindholm listed as 6/7. Pronman is also a nice resource, and has Lindholm at 6, with a distinct step down to Monahan at 7.

    I like Lindholm primarily because of his skating and defensive awareness. If he is gone by the time we pick at 7, I’d be equally happy with Monahan.

    I think the Brule comparison is a bit of a reach.

  83. till_horcoff_is_coach says:

    I don’t think the non-Lindholm talk is the counter-trey folks are hoping for. Last year Galchenyuk should have at least been in consideration for #1, but SMB talked only of Yak Murray and Reinhardt. I hoped then he was concealing a move to trade down and pick the one they wanted but nothing unveiled since then has indicated that was a thought.

    New man driving the bus, but I get the feeling MBS doesn’t play his cards with a lot of deception.

  84. Woodguy says:

    What the Oilers lack on D is the guy who can break up the cycle AND make a good first pass.

    Hope Klef comes out of the gates quickly.

  85. Gerta Rauss says:

    till_horcoff_is_coach,

    I think Galch wasn’t discussed at #1 because he missed almost all of the regular season due to injury. Nice pickup for Monreal though-terrific player.

  86. sliderule says:

    TheOtherJohn,

    The last twenty games and playoffs in 2012 Klefbom was being used in a shutdown role.

    According to reports of a guy called south swede he was playing awesome and in the playoffs ended up with more ice time than Brodin.

    At the oiler development camp he was the most impressive player and had RK trying to talk him into staying

  87. TheOtherJohn says:

    MacT saw 5 minutes of Klefbom and says “we can pretty much pack up our briefcase right now and get outta here, I’ve seen enough”. He played 11 games last year. He played 33 games the year before plus the world junior tournament.

    Anyone on this site believe that MacT made up his mind as to the attributes of Chris Tanev and K Connaution on his Chicago Wolves AHL team in 11/12 after watching them ONCE? for 5 minutes.

    .

    Our prospects are simply good enough that they are capable of learning to play at the NHL level. How’d the second half of the 48 game strike shortened season work out for J Schultz? Not good……….

    Voynov played 231 games in the AHL. Muzzin played 145 games in AHL. Martinez played 145 games in AHL Ellerby played 150 games in the AHL

    Now as an Oiler fan, I certainly hope Klefbom is ready to play at the NHL level n/w/s playing less than 50 games over the last 2 years.

  88. mustang says:

    till_horcoff_is_coach:
    I don’t think the non-Lindholm talk is the counter-trey folks are hoping for. Last year Galchenyuk should have at least been in consideration for #1, but SMB talked only of Yak Murray and Reinhardt.I hoped then he was concealing a move to trade down and pick the one they wanted but nothing unveiled since then has indicated that was a thought.

    New man driving the bus, but I get the feeling MBS doesn’t play his cards with a lot of deception.

    Well, I got the impression last year from MBS that it was Murray. Picking 1st overall it really doesn’t matter about deception near as much because you control the draft, nobody can draft the player you want. This year is a total different animal 6 teams pick before the Oilers do.

  89. TheOtherJohn says:

    sliderule: TheOtherJohn, The last twenty games and playoffs in 2012 Klefbom was being used in a shutdown role.According to reports of a guy called south swede he was playing awesome and in the playoffs ended up with more ice time than Brodin.At the oiler development camp he was the most impressive player and had RK trying to talk him into staying

    So the source of your information is “south swede” as to TOI, the role he was playing, the number of games and that SS thought he was playing “awesome”. Seriously, that is almost as bad as watching 5 minutes and saying “we can pretty much pack up our briefcase right now and get outta here, I’ve seen enough”.

  90. Ribs says:

    Gerta Rauss: I think the Brule comparison is a bit of a reach.

    Yea! That guy is gonna be the next Crosby!

  91. sliderule says:

    TheOtherJohn,

    Well actualy I looked up his TOI but as to the rest you are so right

  92. SoxandOil says:

    Been following the thread all day but didn’t have time to comment at work.

    Man alive its nice to have MacT back, hated when he left.

    I agree with what LT said about adding Centres (in that the oilers could use about 3 or 4 more). I’d like to see Brad Richards if he could be had for 4mill x 3years or something similar, but if he is bought out I could see Feaster blowing all his burger king allowance on him. It would be great to sign someone to shift Gagner to 2nd LW, but with Nuge’s shoulder on the mend Gagner might be the 1st C and Horcoff 2C to start the year, very scary and doesn’t bode well for a team trying to make the playoffs.

    As for the blue, wasn’t Fedun close to making the big club before his leg exploded? How has he been since returning to the A? Does he find a spot as a extra dman to push Klefbom south?

  93. Woodguy says:

    TheOtherJohn,

    MacT saw 5 minutes of Klefbom and says “we can pretty much pack up our briefcase right now and get outta here, I’ve seen enough”. He played 11 games last year. He played 33 games the year before plus the world junior tournament.

    So he’s well rested?

    Woot!!

  94. till_horcoff_is_coach says:

    Yak was the best but Galchenyuk was a concensus contender despite his missed time. SMB consistently omitted him but when questioned directly he mentioned that he had a connection to the family and was aware of him but eluded that he had no interest. Hiding your intentions with number 1OV is still valuable if hoping to trade down and still get the target…. as a number on this site were hoping due to SMBs consistent overlooking of Gally.

    In the end something seems to have gone down on drat day, but the lack of interest in Galchenyuk seems to have been true. Lindholm could be a different case, but it’s looking to me a lot like last year’s hope for deception.

  95. leadfarmer says:

    The goal for Klefbom is to make sure he has plays a full season next year to make up for lost development time and the best way to do that is not the NHL. If he gets injured next year, chances are he’s toast. Has there ever been a player that has had 3 season ending injuries in a row starting from post draft year 1 and still have a career.

  96. Lowetide says:

    Galchenyuk was well thought of
    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2012/06/draft-week-post-6-final-top-30.html

    Check especially the comments section.

  97. Gerta Rauss says:

    till_horcoff_is_coach,

    I believe your point is that those of us on the Lindholm bandwagon are looking for the counter-trey with regards to Lindholm, and you believe there is none. I reluctantly agree.

    I’m still hoping, but if it walks like a duck…

  98. Gi JQE says:

    Hey bit off topic. Think it was floated before, is Paul Martin an option out of pits? Half solid Dman probably could be acquired for peanuts no? Just a thought. Feedback?

  99. TheOtherJohn says:

    sliderule:
    TheOtherJohn,

    Well actualy I looked up his TOI but as to the rest you are so right

    SR

    Where do you get SEL TOI?

  100. Dominoiler says:

    Hahaha.. Love this comment,..

    “I’d like to see Brad Richards if he could be had for 4mill x 3years or something similar, but if he is bought out I could see Feaster blowing all his burger king allowance on him.”

    Man, those Rangers.. worst contract negotiators.. such an ugly contract for B. Richards.. never thought I would see a worse one than horcs, but those 12M years def eclipse horc’s 7M years.. both worthy of vomit dog food status.. (go ahead, try to put it down.. till its all done.. blah!..)

    Anyone have insight to how things got so bad for B. Richards?.. is 33, looks to be that type of UFA that is likely ‘done’ and the oil should stay away from..

  101. till_horcoff_is_coach says:

    Gerta Rauss,

    Precisely. I like Lindholm but if forced to bet I would think the oilers do not.

    I think the bigger clue in MacTs talk is that with including MacKinnon and Barkov, the potential trade partner is rather early in picking. Nashville or better I’d think.

  102. SoxandOil says:

    After watching Portland games the last couple weeks it really frustrates me that we were overlooking players based on sized the last couple years. I mean in the last 3 years (2010,11,12) Edmonton had 5 2nd round picks, and of those 3 were essentially 1st round picks (31,31,32). Out of those selections (and I know its incredibly early) only Marincin could be considered a high end prospect. Meanwhile players left on the draft floor (again I hate hindsight drafting but these were players that we all identified before the draft as targets) include Jared Knight, Justin Faulk, Tyler Toffoli, Ty Rattie and Sebastian Collberg. And those are just some of the 2nd rounders selected after Edmonton picks but are high ranks prospects for all their clubs.

    I’m not concerned as much on the 7th ov pick as the top ten is pretty consistent and those picks seem easy. The second round has been a missed opportunity and hopefully we can get a couple good players with our 2 picks. Seems like we are due.

  103. Wes Mantooth-11 says:

    I will take Mac-T comments at value, I honestly believe he will trade up, it makes the most sense. I believe him when he says he wants Monahan – Barkov – Mackinnon.

    I still think Barkov is the player the Oilers covet; although Barkov is an exceptional offensive player his two-way game is already at an elite level.

    I also don’t believe they take Lindholm who I still think has another year on his contract and will play in Sweden for the 2013-2014 season.

    I also believe that while Gagner is a high priority to sign, I also think once signed to a contract he will be moved.

    If Barkov is there at # 4, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Oilers move Petry and Paajarvi for Barkov.

    I also wouldn’t be surprised if the Oilers make a play for Dubinsky, rumored to be on the block most of the season, he is a LW/C with speed and grit with a very respectable contract.

  104. OilLeak says:

    Wes Mantooth-11,

    That’s a steep price to pay and this move would not help us in the short term. I think Barkov is an amazing player, but if we’re moving up you have to think Mackinnon and not Barkov. I still have concerns regarding Barkov’s skating, it’s not very good, and speed rules all in the NHL these days.

  105. Rondo says:

    To get Barkov would be a huge overpay, I can’t see it happening .

    Oilers at #7 would take 1 of these guys.

    Monahan
    Lindholm
    Nichushkin
    Nurse
    Zadorov

  106. matt says:

    To (a) champion line chemistry, and (b) be a pessimist about how well intertia can be overcome, my prediction is an attempt at a Tambellini summer done right with 3 new 30-year olds, and maybe a Brad Richards salary dump:

    Forwards
    1. RNH/Eberle/Hall
    2. Gagner/Yakupov/Paajarvi
    3. Horcoff/Hemsky/Smyth 4
    4. Brad Richards (or, more likely, cheaper new UFA veteran centre probably over 30)/Jones/Brown
    Others: Hartikainen + new “big tough 2-way” UFA veteran winger probably over 30

    Defense:
    1. Smid/Petry
    2. Shultz/Shultz
    3. Klefbom/Fistric
    4. New “big tough 2-way” UFA defenseman probably over 30 / Potter

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