THEO PECKHAM 12-13: LOST IN THE FLOOD

Theo Peckham came to the Oilers organization the same day as Jeff Petry. He was an NHL regular the night Petry played his first NHL game. Since that day, things have gone very badly for Teddy Peckman.

Theo Peckham 10-11 

  • 5×5 points per 60: 0.70 (3rd among Oil D)
  • 5×4 points per 60: nil
  • Qual Comp: 2nd toughest among D
  • Qual Team: 6th best available among D
  • Corsi Rel: -6.6 (6th best among D)
  • Zone Start: 47.1% (toughest among D)
  • Zone Finish: 49.5% (worst among D)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 41 shots/3 goals 7.3% (2nd best)
  • Boxcars: 71gp, 3-10-13
  • Plus Minus: -5 on a team that was -52

Theo Peckham 11-12

  • 5×5 points per 60: 0.24 (6th among Oil D)
  • 5×4 points per 60: nil
  • Qual Comp: 5th toughest among D
  • Qual Team: 6th best available among D
  • Corsi Rel: -6.0 (5th best among D)
  • Zone Start: 51.2% (5th toughest among D)
  • Zone Finish: 48.6% (5th best among D)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 25 shots/1 goal 4.0% (6th best>20 shots)
  • Boxcars: 54, 1-2-3
  • Plus Minus: E on a team that was -26

Theo Peckham 12-13

  • 5×5 points per 60: nil
  • 5×4 points per 60: nil
  • Qual Comp:
  • Qual Team:
  • Corsi Rel:
  • Zone Start:
  • Zone Finish:
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 2 shots
  • Boxcars: 4, 0-0-0
  • Plus Minus: -1 on a team that was -15
  1. What do these numbers tell us? He’s in so much trouble with this organization I’m sure they monitored his towel usage. A tough, tough year.
  2. What the hell happened? He showed up at training camp unprepared and the Oilers were forced to trade for Mark Fistric (I’m using MacT’s version of things here).
  3. But it’ll all be fine now. No, when an organization puts the boots to a guy like this–making him an example for all to see–the next step is to send him to Siberia.
  4. OMG the Islanders? Eastern conference for sure, some team will take a chance on him. He’s probably going to be a better teammate from here on in.
  5. Did he deserve this? Well, I do think organizations who are paying your salary have a right to expect you to be ready for work. And I also think the team/player history is probably more than we see. Theo and the Oilers have been family for a long time now.
  6. Pretty harsh. The entire year was harsh, including mono.
  7. So he’s gone for sure? I think so, yes.
  8. Can he play? Sure. Theo Peckham has size, toughness, decent speed, can certainly handle himself and is a willing fighter. Penalty killer.
  9. Negatives? He’s not especially quick on his feet in terms of decision making, and I do think he’s regressed from his rookie NHL season in some areas. He got himself out of position fairly often back when he played for the team in 11-12.
  10. What kind of value does he have? Now? Minimal. A 5th rd pick, something like that.
  11. You always liked him. Yeah, sure did. Loved the scouting reports on him, “Wreckum” they called him and he was a tough kid no doubt about it. Had/has a pure mean streak the Oilers lack so badly, and it’s a damn shame it’ll end this way.
  12. Is there any scenario that sees him back in Edmonton? It’s up to MacT, Lowe and Krueger. Can they bring him back? Is he one of the top 6 options? Or maybe they move him to wing and make him a swingman? I don’t know. I do hope it works out for the young man, wish him the best.
  13. LW? Come on! He’s a tough, tough man. Would you rather have Theo or Steve MacIntyre as your enforcer?
  14. How has his attitude been? There were some articles. Peckham: “If it is a punishment thing, I dug that hole myself. I just have to dig my way out, too.”
  15. Why this song?  It’s about being unaware of our own situations in life, being unaware of how we are perceived by others, about word and tone together. And it’s about developing a past, and about how some of us never seem able to get out of the way and let the flood pass us by.
  16. Another lighthearted Springsteen tune! Yeah, that.

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63 Responses to "THEO PECKHAM 12-13: LOST IN THE FLOOD"

  1. leadfarmer says:

    Only way he comes back is if he is already training for training camp. O/w No.

  2. mattwatt says:

    Lowetide,

    I did not mention in my prior comment in the previous thread, but really have enjoyed the songs selected so far. Being listened to a bunch of Springsteen lately, and can understand as to why an older generation is a bit more hesitant when it comes to extolling the virtues of Born in the USA. Compared to prior works of his, it is a sound unlike any others; ie it sounds quite commercial when compared to his past. As an artist who always tried to combined the rough with the polish, Born in the USA is almost all polish. In a lot of ways, not really a Springsteen sound.

    However, as a male who listened to that album when he was 24, single, tall, in-shape and looking for a good time, let me say that the album still kicks ass.

    For Peckham, it is right to select one of the more dark Springsteen tracks when talking about the player. He had repeated chances to seize the day within an organization, and never did. Would like to say that the player has learned his lesson and will be a strong pro going forward. However, when all we have to judge you on is your past, it seems very unlikely.

    I wish the best for Peckham. Seems like a player was there at one time. Now I fear we will never see that, no matter the situation.

  3. Clay says:

    If I was a good Canadian kid toiling in the minors, trying to make it to the Show, I’d love to punch Peckham right in his face for squandering the opourtunity that was served up to him on a platter.

    I mean, c’mon guy. An NHL team is willing to pay you seven figures, all you have to do is swap every third donair for a salad, and cancel your loyalty card for Marble Slab. Figure it out, ffs.

  4. ashley says:

    Clay:
    If I was a good Canadian kid toiling in the minors, trying to make it to the Show, I’d love to punch Peckham right in his face for squandering the opourtunity that was served up to him on a platter.

    I mean, c’mon guy.An NHL team is willing to pay you seven figures, all you have to do is swap every third donair for a salad, and cancel your loyalty card for Marble Slab.Figure it out, ffs.

    Many guys can’t control what they consume when there is sex/future sex on the line. They know being overweight substantially decreases their chances. And I’m pretty sure guys really like sex, even more than money.

    Consumption control is elusive for many. Theo has that disease. But, really, that’s a tangential issue. Mostly he’s not good enough to play pro hockey.

  5. godot10 says:

    Theo has had to “fight” his way to the NHL. As we have recently seen in a plethora of cases, the enforcing role, even at a light heavyweight level, is a severely emotionally challenging activity. If one is going to have a disorder, an eating disorder is probably preferable to alcohol disorder, or a substance abuse problem, or depression.

    I would argue that there is probably a much elevated risk of adjustment disorders that goes with the enforcer role, and that is why fighting really has to go.

    The game might be at fault more than the player.

  6. Lowetide says:

    godot10:
    Theo has had to “fight” his way to the NHL.As we have recently seen in a plethora of cases, the enforcing role, even at a light heavyweight level, is a severely emotionally challenging activity.If one is going to have a disorder, an eating disorder is probably preferable to alcohol disorder, or a substance abuse problem, or depression.

    I would argue that there is probably a much elevated risk of adjustment disorders that goes with the enforcer role, andthat is why fighting really has to go.

    The game might be at fault more than the player.

    Not a word out of place.

  7. Lois Lowe says:

    Theo also may have a crack at a 4th line forward job in the NHL on some other team too. All of the verbal coming out of the GM’s mouths about size, grit, and “heavy”-type players. Theo can bring those things when he comes to play. He’ll get one look at league minimum before he’s forced to sign a 2-way deal.

  8. asiaoil says:

    Guys who can be an effective #8 dman / 13 forward are really valuable and it’s a great way to use a roster slot. Not sure why more guys don’t try take it on or more teams don’t try develop this in house. If Theo was game then this is a role that he could probably make a living out of. As for fighting – yeah it’s brain stem stuff – but canadians have a blind spot for hockey-related aberrant behavior (fighting/assault by “enforcers” in the pros and child labor in major junior).

  9. Gerta Rauss says:

    What was frustrating was that Theo was interviewed by Gregor in late July and he seemed to be heading the right direction-he talked about his love of cheeseburgers and working out with Norm Lacombe and was aware his weight/conditioning was a priority.

    And then the lockout came and the Christmas break and it all went to hell.

  10. mc79hockey says:

    I don’t know that this is brain injury stuff or a way of dealing with stress. Some guys like eating shitty food (lord knows I do) and every so often they’re also good enough to play pro hockey.

    That said, it’s comical how apparent it was that this was coming. He tweeted a picture during the lockout of a pan of sausages and potatoes and oil and it was just obvious there was gonna be trouble.

  11. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I think the double strike for Peckham is what did it.

    I don’t think he’s done yet, but it sure looks like he needs a “second opinion.”

  12. mc79hockey says:

    This does not look like the healthy meal of a pro athlete: https://twitter.com/PECKS24/status/280464170112139265/photo/1

    There’s a great book about FC Barcelona that discusses this in the context of Messi, by the way. He’s an Argentine and the diet there tends towards a lot of red meat and starches. Here’s an excerpt from the book: http://www.goal.com/en/news/3846/barcelona-making-of-the-greatest/2011/11/18/2760500/ronaldinho-deco-were-completely-out-of-control-to-unleash

    Peckham’s hardly the first athlete to have this problem.

  13. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Tony Gwynn. Pure hitter. All day.

    Different world and he was never known for fitness, but man did he find a way to really enjoy food once he retired. It’s like he’d been waiting for years to properly satiate a craving that no human body can master.

    Must have taken a fair bit of control to contain himself during his playing years.

  14. jake70 says:

    Would love to see him on the wing for a tryout…in on the forecheck. Bowling ball style.

  15. Lowetide says:

    Kind of amazing that Seth Jones is probably playing his final game of junior tonight. He played his first game in the WHL September 21, 2012.

  16. Smarmy says:

    Roberto Duran was known to gorge after a fight and just live a decadent lifestyle until his trainers dragged him into the gym to prepare for the next fight. Likely, added anger to an already angry man.

  17. RickDeckard says:

    It’s embarrassing that “professional” scouts put Jones above MacKinnon.

  18. knighttown says:

    Lowetide:
    Kind of amazing that Seth Jones is probably playing his final game of junior tonight. He played his first game in the WHL September 21, 2012.

    And having his lunch handed to him by Nate MacKinnon and the Mooseheads. Caused 2 or 3 odd man rushes on his own while admittedly did make one excellent read on a two on one with Drouin and Frk. MacKinnon has been brilliant. I’m guessing 10 scoring chances in half a game so far and has produced 1-and-1.

    Everyone expects that the Avs are going Jones in a slam dunk but Patty Roy knows MacKinnon as well as anyone from coaching against him for 2 years in the Q and I for one would be shocked if he was passed over.

    Might have the best explosiveness in a 17 year old I’ve seen since Crosby.

  19. Lowetide says:

    KT: And I think Drouin’s the best player in the draft. :-) Top 3 are going to be outstanding imo. I will say that watching Jones in the Mem Cup has me thinking it’ll be a period of transition for him to the NHL.

  20. sliderule says:

    I guess we better jump back on jones bandwagon.

    Nathan and Drouin are very good players but you can’t judge by one series

    Jones was outstanding at WJC while Nathon not so much.

    Colorado will pick Jones

  21. knighttown says:

    I hate to make these generational statements but Drouin might be the best drsft eligible playmaker I’ve seen since Crosby. I’d you see the stupidly impressive back handed lob pass against London? Curling back towards the blue line and threw one 15 feet in the air that dropped in Frk’s bread basket.

    He’ll produce a ton on the PP and if he ends up in Tampa as it looks like he could lead the league in assists within 4 years.

    ….and here comes Jones.

  22. FastOil says:

    The Av’s are deep at centre and need scoring at wing and help at D.

    Seems to me like there is potential there for a deal. I’d make it to get the help at C the Oilers need. Magic beans or not, I think MacKinnon, Barkov and even Lindholm will be a relatively short term upgrade and Jones will have trouble covering the bet. This is where the legends about GM’s are made so soon we’ll see.

    Tambo often touted leadership in many of his draft picks, perhaps not understanding that a team full of leaders may not actually work. Given the team already had players like that, dominant play is I think a better tell of future NHL success.

    (Edit) Too many of the current Oiler prospects lack a dominant quality, except for the guys likely too small to make the Oilers and possibly the NHL.

  23. BlacqueJacque says:

    Watching the Memorial Cup game.

    Jones looks surprisingly human. MacKinnon would go first overall if any team besides Colorado or perhaps Edmonton drafted first overall, IMO. He scores! Again! Damn, anyway, he’s overshadowed Drouin during the playoffs and Memorial Cup, and is outplaying Jones now.

    But, more to the point, the Mooseheads could beat the Oilers any given game, and the Oilers would need six or seven games to beat them in a best-of-seven.

  24. BlacqueJacque says:

    MacKinnon just blew by Jones one more time.

  25. Captain Happy says:

    I’d bet Colorado takes McKInnon making Paul Statsny redundant.

    I would think the Oilers, Toronto and Vancouver, among others, would all be looking at making a deal.

    Bob McKenzie saying some scouts he’s talked to in the last 24 hours are starting to migrate to McKinnon or Drouin as their first pick.

  26. Captain Happy says:

    Wow.

    Drouin with 5 assists.

    Kids a magician.

    Should be something else with Huberdeau.

  27. BlacqueJacque says:

    MacKinnon with a ferocious drive to the net, backhands hard to create a rebound and gets the first assist on the double insurance marker.

  28. knighttown says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    Watching the Memorial Cup game.

    Jones looks surprisingly human.MacKinnon would go first overall if any team besides Colorado or perhaps Edmonton drafted first overall, IMO.He scores!Again!Damn, anyway, he’s overshadowed Drouin during the playoffs and Memorial Cup, and is outplaying Jones now.

    Your point is accurate…yet Drouin has 5 assists on 5 goals. He and Stamkos will be ridiculous.

  29. Captain Happy says:

    knighttown: Your point is accurate…yet Drouin has 5 assists on 5 goals. He and Stamkos will be ridiculous.

    Florida won’t pass on Drouin.

  30. BlacqueJacque says:

    knighttown,

    Only if Florida doesn’t draft him. They may well feel it’s better to have a vicious first line than two really good lines centred by phenoms.

  31. BlacqueJacque says:

    Good gravy, MacKinnon made Jones look bad two times on one shift.

  32. knighttown says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    knighttown,

    Only if Florida doesn’t draft him.They may well feel it’s better to have a vicious first line than two really good lines centred by phenoms.

    Possible if Colorado passes on Jones. Florida doesn’t pass on MacKinnon if he’s there.

  33. BlacqueJacque says:

    Hat trick MacKinnon! ENG and all, but its the most dominant performance I’ve seen in junior. I didn’t see Crosby but… Wow.

  34. BlacqueJacque says:

    knighttown,

    Probably not.

    After these playoffs and this Memorial Cup, they’d be crazy to.

    Colorado is probably seriously considering MacKinnon and trading one of their centres for a legit dman.

  35. rickithebear says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    Hat trick MacKinnon!ENG and all, but its the most dominant performance I’ve seen in junior.I didn’t see Crosby but… Wow.

    mackinnon was the third best player on the ice tonight.
    #1 Petan
    #2 jones
    #3 mackinnon.

    And i hate portland.

  36. sliderule says:

    You have to think that this years cup tournament is weak.

    Good god most of the best players on three of the four teams are in the entry draft.I don’t think there ever has been that many.

    I don’t think this means they are all world.

    The WJC were they were mostly playing against 19 year old players is a better measure of how much impact they will have.

    Judging from what Nathan and Drouin did at WJC they like most rookies will have a learning curve when they reach NHL

  37. Captain Happy says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    knighttown,

    Probably not.

    After these playoffs and this Memorial Cup, they’d be crazy to.

    Colorado is probably seriously considering MacKinnon and trading one of their centres for a legit dman.

    So, which teams have excess defensemen and need a centre?

    Toronto and Vancouver leap immediately to mind.

  38. BlacqueJacque says:

    rickithebear,

    Jones got beat by MacKinnon four times in the third period alone. More if you count MacKinnon winning behind the net. Petan put up points but didn’t dominate the play.

  39. Wolfie says:

    Mackinnon sure showed a ton of poise and clutchiness! How on earth could anyone pass that up?!?

    Besides Nick Kypreos gave his endorsement!

  40. BlacqueJacque says:

    sliderule,

    Draft eligible players are rarely top performers at the WJHCs, Crosby and Lindros being the most notable exceptions.

  41. BlacqueJacque says:

    It does make me a bit sad to think that the top three picks this year could conceivably be better than our three first overalls.

  42. Lowetide says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    sliderule,

    Draft eligible players are rarely top performers at the WJHCs, Crosby and Lindros being the most notable exceptions.

    Hall played pretty well too. Just saying. Twice. :-)

  43. BlacqueJacque says:

    Lowetide,

    Yeah, but I think it’d be interesting if you did the math and came up with REs for the prospects, plus career projections/comps.

    Hall never scored at the pace that MacKinnon and Drouin did. Yak did until he was injured.

  44. sliderule says:

    Hall got 6 goals and six assists in his one WJC in his entry draft year.

    Drouin got 4points and Nathan 1 point.

    In fairness because of lockout the teams were packed and Nathan was fourth line.

    Drouin got lots though.

  45. Rondo says:

    Mackinnon almost year younger than Seth Jones.

  46. BlacqueJacque says:

    I can’t edit on my phone, but I’m curious, if anyone had the choice of Hall/Nuge/Yak (or Murray, to make it fair and go with the scout consensus to boot), versus Drouin, MacKinnon and Jones… Who would you build around?

  47. Lowetide says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    Lowetide,

    Yeah, but I think it’d be interesting if you did the math and came up with REs for the prospects, plus career projections/comps.

    Hall never scored at the pace that MacKinnon and Drouin did.Yak did until he was injured.

    Hall’s RE was 46 points, that’s a strong number. Stamkos was 42. We don’t have TOI unfortunately, that would help us answer your question.

  48. Lowetide says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    I can’t edit on my phone, but I’m curious, if anyone had the choice of Hall/Nuge/Yak (or Murray, to make it fair and go with the scout consensus to boot), versus Drouin, MacKinnon and Jones… Who would you build around?

    For me, it’s Hall. I like these three fine, love the Nuge and believe Yakupov could be the best of the bunch. But the huge dangler award goes to Hall.

    jmo.

  49. BlacqueJacque says:

    How about this: LT, ask Pronman if he’d get Drouin/MacKinnon/Jones over Hall/Nuge/Murray. And please, make an article out of it. I’m in camp for work so radio/podcasts are a pipe dream. I have to reset my connection to camp wireless every few minutes.

  50. Lowetide says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    How about this: LT, ask Pronman if he’d get Drouin/MacKinnon/Jones over Hall/Nuge/Murray.And please, make an article out of it.I’m in camp for work so radio/podcasts are a pipe dream.I have to reset my connection to camp wireless every few minutes.

    I’ll try to remember for next time he’s on. Interesting question.

  51. Wes Mantooth-11 says:

    I think this makes it a little interesting.

    I can see some movement with the teams now, I still think the players and the teams come out the same.

    Col has the potential to start a really good bluff.

    Col – Jones
    FLA – Drouin
    TB – MacKinnon

    1-2-3 could get scrambled.

  52. Lois Lowe says:

    I would think that Colorado has to be scouring the Florida and Tampa rosters to see if there’s a trade that makes sense for both teams. If Colorado doesn’t have Jones at the top and thinks that one of the other teams does, I think there’s great potential to see all kinds of dealing. Couple that with a shrinking cap, new coach and vp hockey ops in Denver, and there’s an certain level of mystique with this draft for sure.

  53. Racki says:

    Peckham’s demise is one that really sucks for me. I like this kind of d-man… the in your face guy who had once shown ability to be a great stay-at-homer with potential as a shutdown d-man… very physical… willing to stand up for teammates. I wish he could have been given more of a chance, but at the same time, I completely see where the Oilers were coming from here and agree with them. He came into the year completely unprepared, and I think it was likely the same thing last year too.

    It’s disappointing. There was a good d-man here. But it’s no one’s fault but Peckham’s. He’ll likely recover his game somewhere else. He definitely won’t be back here though.. there is zero sign that the Oilers will re-sign him. They will let him walk for nothing. In a few years, the revisionists will tell us how we let a good player go for nothing, should he find his game again, but hopefully our memories will be long enough to remind them that Peckham threw his career away (at least temporarily), not the Oilers.

    Anyways, disappointing to see one of my favorite players gonzo.

  54. PunjabiOil says:

    I usually don’t do this, as the few sources I have – I never ask them out of respect – but I’m being told if Monahan is gone, the Oilers have Lazar slotted next.

    Ahead of Lindholm.

    Sigh.

  55. WeridAl says:

    With Fisric turning down the rumored offer, he’s over priced himself for the Oilers. The Oilers don’t have anyone else so Peckham will be resigned. Especially with the weak UFA market in D this off season. Did Peckham screw up, yes massively, but the Oilers don’t have any options right now so they keep him.

  56. Racki says:

    PunjabiOil:
    I usually don’t do this, as the few sources I have – I never ask them out of respect – but I’m being told if Monahan is gone, the Oilers have Lazar slotted next.

    Ahead of Lindholm.

    Sigh.

    If that’s the case, I’m guessing that they would be trading down to do this.. somewhere mid-round I’d guess. One would hope, anyways (of course, that hope would also include us getting a decent player in the deal).

    I will say I’m a fairly big Lazar fan since last year. He would not immediately answer our center needs though (not sure any pick at #7 would though). So that would be one of those “stock the cupboards” kind of picks.. it can’t be seen as a pick that helps us any time soon.

  57. Lois Lowe says:

    If Lazar can come in and eventually become Jarret Stoll 2.0 then I am okay with a trade down. Anything less and I’d say the Oilers are turning their back on Sam Ganger 2.0 (Lindholm) or at the chance at something of similar value so the asset coming back had better be no small consideration.

  58. mustang says:

    I]ll be shocked if MacK doesn’t go #1, he’s blowing the field away. Sure would have been nice to have the #1 pick this year, unreal talent in the first round. I’m more impressed with MacKinnon than I was with Hall and Taylor has two championships and MVP’s under his belt.

  59. mustang says:

    PunjabiOil:
    I usually don’t do this, as the few sources I have – I never ask them out of respect – but I’m being told if Monahan is gone, the Oilers have Lazar slotted next.

    Ahead of Lindholm.

    Sigh.

    That would be bat shit freaking crazy, I like Lazar seen him play 40-50 times, but Lindholm is projected to be a a good 1st line centre, Lazar will be damn lucky to be a 2nd line centre, which is good but…
    In fact I can see him playing wing.

  60. Double DD says:

    BlacqueJacque,

    Hall’s draft year points per game was 1.86. MacKinnon’s is 1.70.

    As for Yakupov’s hot start, which I’ve seen mentioned to tout his superiority to our other #1s. He had 46 points in his first 23 games before getting injured. Hall had 44 in his first 23 games of his draft year and 47 in his last 23 games. Hall cooled off in the middle of the season which I’m betting Yakupov would have done as well, regardless of injury. BTW, Nugent-Hopkins put up 46 points in the last 23 games of his draft year as well. So, I don’t think Yakupov’s pre-injury numbers separate him from the others.

  61. Kris11 says:

    “the huge dangler award goes to Hall.”

    Wow, what a player Hall is. He can score 30 goals AND he gets an award for the biggest penis?

  62. Lois Lowe says:

    Kris11:
    “the huge dangler award goes to Hall.”

    Wow, what a player Hall is. He can score 30 goals AND he gets an award for the biggest penis?

    He’s a big bright shining star.

  63. 106 and 106 says:

    In dealing with sports medicine, a lot of times we see that multiple undiagnosed concussions in minor and junior hockey has repercussions that the player doesn’t recognize till their older. Kids usually regress in their development (worse in school, etc.) – adults, well, they try to cope with the best they can.

    Wishing the best for Teddy – not just in his career, but his future in life.

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