2013 ENTRY DRAFT POST 22: THE MCKENZIE

I remember when Bob McKenzie arrived at the Hockey News over 30 years ago. He was a bright guy, and the only ‘long hair’ in the entire publication (‘long hair’ was a phrase my Dad used; long hairs were not to be trusted according to my father, but could be welcomed into the home–if not the living room. “Hoods” and “hippies” were to be avoided at all costs). McKenzie was an excellent writer and a hard worker–to my generation he WAS the Hockey News for many years, and when he transitioned to tsn (he worked both for a decade or so if I recall correctly) it was a smooth move for readers/viewers.

The growth of the draft has been a sublime experience for me–I loved the draft in 1974, and every year since–and it has now reached a point where draft day is a climax and an end to the season. A day/weekend to say goodbye to the season past, but also hello to the future, and a time for the industry of hockey to get together for one weekend before holidays. I approach each draft as I did the first ones, with wonder and joy and anticipation. It is, finally, the lifeblood of our game.

McKenzie’s list is the gold standard for each season’s entry draft. If your NHL team is risk averse, you can read about your first and second round pick tonight although you won’t know their names. For Oiler fans: the club has selected 17 players in the top 75 since 2008, and of those players only two were not mentioned in McKenzie’s annual list–Troy Hesketh and Jujhar Khaira.

Later tonight, SpOILer’s top 30 will appear and Blue Bullet’s will be along sometime in the next day or so. We are approaching Christmas for draftniks–and this season is going to be a tremendous edition.

I don’t think the Oilers will pick where they’re slotted to select at this time, but they are going to gather some value. My guess is two centermen and then we’ll see–sounds like one of those picks might be a trade item.

The show is at 5:30, I’ll post the link here when tsn publishes it. I’ll be interested to see where Curtis Lazar ranks.

Oh, and one final thing: a quote from MacT this afternoon:

  • “We can acquire role players by other means. If you draft somebody who’s inadequate in maybe speed or size but has some skill, maybe he can improve in those areas and offer … significant skill that can move the dial of your team.”

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Edit to add: Mckenzie list is here.

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  1. theres oil in virginia says:

    MacT also said:

    “At some point we have to, as an organization, start rewarding people who really embody the characteristics that we hold in high regard. Sam really fits that. There are a lot of reasons why we want to get Sam on a long-term contract.”

    That doesn’t sound like $4.x talk. (Sorry to harp on it.)

  2. Lowetide says:

    theres oil in virginia:
    MacT also said:

    “At some point we have to, as an organization, start rewarding people who really embody the characteristics that we hold in high regard. Sam really fits that. There are a lot of reasons why we want to get Sam on a long-term contract.”

    That doesn’t sound like $4.x talk.(Sorry to harp on it.)

    I am very pleased with his comments on Gagner, and if they can get a good number on a long term deal this will be a great start to the week!

  3. Rondo says:

    There was a interesting interview with Tim Murray Ottawa’s assistant GM he talks about moving up and down for teams.

    http://video.senators.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=260766

    I can’t see Oilers trading down for draft picks. I wouldn’t want to trade a potential #1 center for 2 potential 2nd or 3rd line centers. It seems like there is a top 8 and then a drop off. I know within the top 8 there are differences.

  4. spoiler says:

    Go, Bob, go!

  5. Rondo says:

    1. Nail Yakupov
    2. Ryan Murray
    3. Filip Forsberg
    4. Griffin Reinhart
    5. Alex Galchenyuk
    6. Matt Dumba
    7. Teuvo Teravainen
    8. Morgan Rielly
    9. Jacob Trouba
    10. Olli Maatta

    Not quite gold

  6. jonrmcleod says:

    Looks like the TSN guys are working while Kypreos takes a nap.

  7. Kris11 says:

    Moving Hall to C and Yak to LW and Gagner to RW solves a lot of problems.

    Yak-Hall-Eberle
    MPS-RNH-Gagner
    New third line
    Smyth-XXX-Brown
    Lander, XXX

    XXX-Petry
    Smid-J.Schultz
    N Schultz-Belov
    Potter, Klefbom

    Dubnyk
    XXX

  8. Bar_Qu says:

    This is interesting

    Larry Brooks (@NYP_Brooksie) tweeted at 5:02 PM on Tue, Jun 25, 2013:
    NHL has notified GMs that league will not allow player to be traded, amnestied and then re-signed by original club, Post has learned.
    (https://twitter.com/NYP_Brooksie/status/349663942722859008)

    Certainly puts a damper on some trade speculation.

  9. theres oil in virginia says:

    Lowetide: I am very pleased with his comments on Gagner, and if they can get a good number on a long term deal this will be a great start to the week!

    I’m pretty happy about the open position on Gagner too. I just think it’s going to take a good chunk of change to get him long-term, and I’m alright with that.

    I remember people bitching about Gagner celebrating a goal a few years ago, when he scored to make it (maybe) 5-1 Colorado. They were complaining about him showing emotion when the game was lost. I never understood that. He’s competitive and he didn’t quit. Who would want that on their team?

    I remember playing baseball as a kid; we lost a lot. We never quit and we were always happy with any small victory. My dad would always say “break the ice”, meaning get the first hit. If we were down 10-0 and we scored a run, we celebrated. “They didn’t shut us out.” We sucked, but we had heart. Gagner’s got heart. (And he doesn’t suck – except at faceoffs.)

  10. SinceTheWHADays says:

    LT,
    I really enjoy this blog site. I like the fact that the bloggers here try and use reliable sources and the commentary and comments are coming from knowledgable Oiler fans. It is a very professional set up and I look forward to reading the articles every day and appreciate the writers, like yourself, who feed my interest in the Oilers every day. Thus I am very disappointed to see Richard Cloutier’s CRAP published here. IMHO. Adding his voice to this site is like resigning Ryan Whitney to a long term $10 mil/year deal.It’s dumb and a bad fit and diminishes the credibility of this site that so many others have worked hard to build. There are places for bloggers like Cloutier and Eckland, but I’m sad to see Oilers Nation be included with those types who make ridiculous and uninformed speculations included in such an otherwise classy blog site.

  11. "Steve Smith" says:

    Bar_Qu,

    I wasn’t aware that the league had that unilateral authority. Would this be the son of the provision that allowed the league to unilaterally nix the Kovalchuk contract?

  12. "Steve Smith" says:

    SinceTheWHADays,

    I am very confused about what you are talking about. Which, in fairness, puts you in exceedingly good company.

  13. bookje says:

    The Oilers will pick 7th. MacT will find it hard to get enough value to shift the pick.

  14. bookje says:

    I too am tired of Richard Cloutier’s CRAP totally dominating this blog!

    Stop the madness LT!!!!!

  15. bookje says:

    Who is Richard Cloutier??

  16. Lowetide says:

    SinceTheWHADays:
    LT,
    I really enjoy this blog site. I like the fact that the bloggers here try and use reliable sources and the commentary and comments are coming from knowledgable Oiler fans.It is a very professional set up and I look forward to reading the articles every day and appreciate the writers, like yourself, who feed my interest in the Oilers every day. Thus I am very disappointed to see Richard Cloutier’sCRAP published here.IMHO. Adding his voice to this site is like resigning Ryan Whitney to a long term $10 mil/year deal.It’s dumb and a bad fit and diminishes the credibility of this site that so many others have worked hard to build.There are places for bloggers like Cloutier and Eckland, but I’m sad to see Oilers Nation be included with those types who make ridiculous and uninformed speculations included in such an otherwise classy blog site.

    It’s pretty much all me, WHA. Mr. Cloutier doesn’t post here. However, every once in awhile there’s a guest post and we’re about 5 minutes away from just that–hope you enjoy it!

  17. Lowetide says:

    I should also warn everyone that in the next few days there will be short posts for specific things: trades, picks, and whatever Cloutier has planned.

  18. supernova says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Bar_Qu,

    I wasn’t aware that the league had that unilateral authority.Would this be the son of the provision that allowed the league to unilaterally nix the Kovalchuk contract?

    haha nice one Steve.

    I seen a tweet that said that NJ is appealing the ruling against the Kovalchuk contract and the cost of a first round pick.

    ” Aaron Portzline ‏@Aportzline 11h”

    “Prevailing opinion is that Devils play to petition league – perhaps they already have – to repeal that part of their punishment.”
    Collapse

  19. Lowetide says:

    I hate Lou.

  20. "Steve Smith" says:

    supernova: haha nice one Steve.

    I actually wasn’t joking; as I recall, the old CBA had some sort of a clause allowing the league to unilaterally prevent cap circumvention. I’m wondering if the new CBA has a similar clause (or if I completely imagined the old one), and whether it’s under the auspices of that clause that they purport to prohibit the trade-and-sign.

  21. SinceTheWHADays says:

    Lowetide,

    Why???? The guys a dick!

  22. jonrmcleod says:

    SinceTheWHADays,

    I don’t think anyone here really takes Cloutier too seriously.

  23. Lowetide says:

    SinceTheWHADays:
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    WHA: Richard Cloutier doesnt’ post articles here. Honest. I don’t think he’s a dick, though. All of my exchanges with Mr. Cloutier have been very respectful.

    Probably doesn’t know me well enough. :-)

  24. "Steve Smith" says:

    jonrmcleod:
    SinceTheWHADays,

    I don’t think anyone here really takes Cloutier too seriously.

    Speak for yourself; I come to this site every day during my morning coffee to see what Cloutier has to say.

    (Of course, I also visit zombo.com every morning to see what the Dalai Lama has to say; I don’t really get the internet.)

  25. theres oil in virginia says:

    Lowetide,

    So, who is the guest poster. It doesn’t say (or I missed it).

    I have no idea who Richard Cloutier is. Ignorance is bliss?

  26. Lowetide says:

    theres oil in virginia:
    Lowetide,

    So, who is the guest poster.It doesn’t say (or I missed it).

    I have no idea who Richard Cloutier is.Ignorance is bliss?

    It’s spOILer. Oh hell, I better throw up an intro. Maybe that’s the Cloutier thing.

  27. supernova says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    maybe it is akin to the NBA not allowing Clippers and Celtics to exchange players this season.

    Clippers give a 1st round pick to Boston for Coach Rivers, and had worked on a bigger trade involving Garnett. Since the official signing of the Coach, they are now disallowing any roster transactions between this two teams even through a 3 rd team, and potential buyouts.

    Since we know the Leagues have similar Legal Representation, I am sure their legal executives, have put a formality in place of something similar on buyouts. These buy outs seemed liked they were the finishing act of the CBA,and possibly they weren’t completely clear before play started. As we know they did advance the use of these buyouts for Montreal and New York. It is quite possible all the details are (or have just been) refined.

  28. theres oil in virginia says:

    Lowetide: It’s spOILer. Oh hell, I better throw up an intro. Maybe that’s the Cloutier thing.

    What! It’s spOILer??? You mean spOILer isn’t his real name? Hey “Steve Smith”, I think I must not get this internet thing either.

    Well, I’d say his comment posts are not objectionable, at the least. What’s the problem WHA?

  29. SinceTheWHADays says:

    Lowetide: WHA: Richard Cloutier doesnt’ post articles here. Honest. I don’t think he’s a dick, though. All of my exchanges with Mr. Cloutier have been very respectful.

    Probably doesn’t know me well enough.

    Anybody who posts ridiculous speculation, with little to no support, or inside info, just to increase blog hits is a dick….IMHO. You’re too high brow to be consorting with such a low brow guy Allan. Seriously just let the guy do his thing somewhere else instead of letting him ride your coat tails.

  30. Lowetide says:

    Fucking Cloutier. Ruins everything.

  31. spoiler says:

    I’m famous!

    *checks driver’s license*

    Wait a minute… I’m not Cloutier.

  32. Lowetide says:

    spoiler:
    I’m famous!

    *checks driver’s license*

    Wait a minute… I’m not Cloutier.

    I think we’re in a movie.

  33. "Steve Smith" says:

    spoiler,

    That’s what they all say. Except Cloutier, of course; fuck that guy.

  34. supernova says:

    i am amazed at how popular Richard Cloutier is today here.

    In a few years of reading this blog i think this is the most i have seen his name here, and it is all on one thread.

    This guy is going to be a legend in no time. Unless Richard Cloutier is DSF.

  35. supernova says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    spoiler,

    That’s what they all say.Except Cloutier, of course; fuck that guy.

    “Steve Smith”,

    “thats what she said”

  36. theres oil in virginia says:

    Damn I’m an idiot! “Spoiler alert!” I could have figured that out. Next you’ll tell me 2+2=4.

  37. SinceTheWHADays says:

    Lowetide:
    Fucking Cloutier. Ruins everything.

    No he doesn’t ruin everything. Just respectability. Oiler Nation is probably the best Blog site in all of hockey. Adding this guys voice is a poor choice and is Tamboliniesk.

  38. supernova says:

    SinceTheWHADays,

    Just wondering where you have seen Cloutier write on either Oilersnation or here on Lowetide?

  39. Bar_Qu says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    Yes, that one. But Lamoriello & Cloutier are exempt on any day they choose.

  40. SinceTheWHADays says:

    supernova:
    SinceTheWHADays,

    Just wondering where you have seen Cloutier write on either Oilersnation or here on Lowetide?

    He’s got a Hockey Buzz Blog. Then Allen started having him as a guest on his radio show. Today his articles appeared here. There were three. “Welcome to Tambellini Week”, “Gagner, Horcoff, Hemsky, Clutterbuck, Coburn, etc…”, “Whamp Whomp Whaaa”. I read him a couple of times then realised he was basically making outlandish speculations just to increase his hits. Most of the comments left called him an idiot, or worse. At that point I promised myself never to visit his site, especially when I could read here. Then for whatever reason Lowtide started giving him space; which, right or wrong, ruffled my feathers so I decided to tell Allen I disapprove. This is Lowtides site and he can do whatever he wants with it. I’m not about to stop reading here if Cloutiers articles appear in the lists, I just feel his “comintary” isn’t at the level that I assisiate with this site.

  41. fifthcartel says:

    I would penalize New Jersey again for trying to appeal.

  42. Lowetide says:

    SinceTheWHADays: He’s got a Hockey Buzz Blog.Then Allen started having him as a guest on his radio show. Today his articles appeared here.There were three. “Welcome to Tambellini Week”, “Gagner, Horcoff, Hemsky, Clutterbuck, Coburn, etc…”, “Whamp Whomp Whaaa”.I read him a couple of times then realised he was basically making outlandish speculations just to increase his hits.Most of the comments left called him an idiot, or worse.At that point I promised myself never to visit his site, especially when I could read here.Then for whatever reason Lowtide started giving him space; which, right or wrong, ruffled my feathers so I decided to tell Allen I disapprove.This is Lowtides site and he can do whatever he wants with it.I’m not about to stop reading here if Cloutiers articles appear in the lists, I just feel his “comintary” isn’t at the level that I assisiate with this site.

    A couple of things:

    1. I’ve never had Mr. Cloutier on my radio show. Honestly, I don’t really do rumor stuff, but having said that there’s not much doubt in my mind he has some kind of connection to the team/someone who knows something. That’s just my opinion, but suspect he does.
    2. None of the blog post titles you posted above have appeared here, and in fact Mr. Cloutier has never written (nor asked, nor been asked) for this site.
    3. Mr. Cloutier and I have different areas we’re mining and I don’t really see a need to rip him or put him down. In ALL exchanges we’ve had, I’ve come away thinking he was a class guy.
    4. I DID have Travis Yost on today, and Travis has been a frequent guest; God willing he will continue to be a frequent guest. He’s an intelligent guy and is well spoken. I don’t care if he writes for Hockeybuzz, he’s a smart guy and honestly one of the best guests on the show.

    So, there’s that.

  43. supernova says:

    SinceTheWHADays,

    SinceTheWHADays: He’s got a Hockey Buzz Blog.Then Allen started having him as a guest on his radio show. Today his articles appeared here.There were three. “Welcome to Tambellini Week”, “Gagner, Horcoff, Hemsky, Clutterbuck, Coburn, etc…”, “Whamp Whomp Whaaa”.I read him a couple of times then realised he was basically making outlandish speculations just to increase his hits.Most of the comments left called him an idiot, or worse.At that point I promised myself never to visit his site, especially when I could read here.Then for whatever reason Lowtide started giving him space; which, right or wrong, ruffled my feathers so I decided to tell Allen I disapprove.This is Lowtides site and he can do whatever he wants with it.I’m not about to stop reading here if Cloutiers articles appear in the lists, I just feel his “comintary” isn’t at the level that I assisiate with this site.

    Either I am complete “bat shit crazy” or i think you might be getting the wrong feed.

    Neither Oilersnation or Lowetide carry his posts. I know the feeder blog called oilogosphere.com has links to his site but they are really just a distributer of links.

    I agree as do most hear, that this site pulls in top level people, but i cant recall ever seeing Richard Cloutier around here. I am sure he is a fine guy, and maybe he actually believes his stuff or maybe he just tries to drive traffic to his site.

  44. supernova says:

    LT,

    could i make a few suggestions for guests.

    Tom Mayenknecht of @thesportmarket

    and speeds should be a regular guest poster, maybe once a week or so.

    he is a fantastic read.

  45. prairieschooner says:

    I am Spartacus

  46. prairieschooner says:

    Duz yur dog bite?

    Nno

    Dat’s not my dog

  47. Lowetide says:

    supernova:
    LT,

    could i make a few suggestions for guests.

    Tom Mayenknecht of @thesportmarket

    and speeds should be a regular guest poster, maybe once a week or so.

    he is a fantastic read.

    speeds is on tomorrow, and I agree. Great guest. I’ll check out Mr. Mayenknecht

  48. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    What the hell is going on?

    Is Dan Cloutier a blogger now, letting blue liners fly by him, after changing his name to Dick?

    I hate the nucks. Dan Cloutier. Hilarious. Early playoff exits. Lovely stuff. Go Cloutier!!!

  49. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    prairieschooner:
    Duz yur dog bite?

    Nno

    Dat’s not my dog

    That man is crazy!

    Sir, we don’t call them that here (i.e., at an insane asylum)

    Well, what do you call them?

    Now, now.

    That man is very now now!

  50. supernova says:

    Lowetide,

    I like him on the show, but value his articles. if he is willing he just needs a better distribution channel with his current blog. Ideally your site or Oilersnation. I think he is a under read blogger.

    Tom Mayenknecht is different than your traditional (haha one month tradition) guests but he has some really interesting stuff in regards to the business of sports.

  51. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    RE: BM’s list.

    LT you must be ecstatic RR is getting the push. This has been your “stubborn” hobby horse for a while. Nice catch.

    Good to see Lindholm at 5. I really hope he falls to us. He’s my target. Chase the Canadian Calgary!!! Chase him good.

  52. Thinker says:

    Cloutiers an idiot. Onto more pressing matters, Edm gets nichushkin in mackenzies list. I started out inifferent to him, thinking we need a center, but he’s slowly grown on me. We need a big skilled Lw to round out the top six, and frankly I’d rather have a hole at 3line C than second line D.
    Hall gagner Yakupov
    Nichuskin rnh Eberle
    Paajarvi
    Makes a lot of sense for a top six. Mps covers for eberle in key defensive sitations, maybe hall for nichushkin. It opens up. Lot more options.

  53. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    RE: BM’s list.

    LT you must be ecstatic RR is getting the push. This has been your “stubborn” hobby horse for a while. Nice catch.

    Good to see Lindholm at 5. I really hope he falls to us. He’s my target. Chase the Canadian Calgary!!! Chase him good.

    Yeah, I like Ristolainen a lot. Nurse is so well spoken, I think he has a great deal of maturity and man can he play a physical game. Suspect they’re both going to be excellent players.

  54. Captain Happy says:

    Lowetide: speeds is on tomorrow, and I agree. Great guest. I’ll check out Mr. Mayenknecht

    Mayeknecht is the real deal.

    I’ve been listening to him on Saturday mornings on the Team 1040 in Vancouver for quite some time.

    He knows his stuff.

    Here’s a bio:

    His experience spans communications, sport management, cause marketing, brand management, journalism, television, public speaking and media training.

    In 18 years of executive experience in professional and Olympic sport, Mayenknecht has served in leadership roles at Tennis Canada, the Toronto Raptors and Vancouver Grizzlies of the National Basketball Association, PacificSport and the Vancouver Ravens of the National Lacrosse League.

    He was Vice-President of Communications & Public Relations for the Vancouver Grizzlies, General Motors Place and Orca Bay Sports & Entertainment from 1995-1996, Vice-President of PacificSport from 1996-2000 and Governor and Managing Partner of the Vancouver Ravens in 2001-2002 and 2003-2004.

    http://www.thesportmarket.biz/biography.htm

  55. hemmer88 says:

    Lowetide,

    first time poster long time reader. love the blog and radio.

    i had to break a silence and applaud your decision to bring travis yost onto the show. i’m not an ottawa senators fan, nor do i have much interest in eastern conference hockey. but that guy can write. and that guy can argue. he’s excellent, and his radio part today that i did catch was fantastic.

    i have no idea why he’s with hockeybuzz and normally agree that anything from that cesspool isn’t worth any of the hockey community’s concern, but he is absolutelty an exception to the rule.

    as for cloutier, he is what he is. doesn’t make him a bad guy..just not my cup of tea. .

    keep up the great work lowetide.

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