IDEA DELIVERY

There are many subtle changes we’re seeing in regard to the Edmonton Oilers. Excitement is building toward draft day–but this time there’s a sense that constructive additions will happen. MacT’s already signed a free agent,  and it wasn’t a veteran for too much and too long, it was a reasonable bet on a guy we’ll either love or forget. That’s all good, all day.

However, the main difference for me is in the verbal, the clarity, the confidence in idea delivery. Here are two quotes from two different men:

  • Male 1:  “People know the position we have and the depth of skill we have in our organizational chart. Managers know that if they present something that helps us in a lot of different ways, we have the ability to make a deal.  That may not happen, but we have the ability to do it.”
  • Male 2: “We’re definitely going to look at doing something with that pick. I think we’d be very receptive to moving back and picking up another pick potentially. It’s a very deep draft in my mind. There are tons of players out there who excite me. Or possibly we could pick up somebody that could help us immediately and another pick.”

Male 1 couldn’t sell sleep to an insomniac, and the second guy is MacTavish. Words like “receptive” and “excite” and “help us immediately” charge the verbal, give us a sense of action. The other guy sounds like he’s waiting for a phone call.  It’s a small item, but framing the issue in a positive way is a major part of any endeavor that involves the exchange of money or goods. I’ll take MacT in a room where ideas are exchanged and deals are made 10 times out of 10.

Here’s hoping he has the right ideas. :-)

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The Lowdown with Lowetide hits the air at 10 this morning, hope you can tune in (Team 1260, website has a listen live). Scheduled to appear:

  • Rob Vollman from Hockey Prospectus and ESPN. Today we’re going to talk about the wisdom of signing Mark Streit, Sam Gagner’s summer, and available RFA’s (offer sheet, trades). With that in mind, here are the Vollman Sledgehammer’s (Player Usage Charts) for RFA D & F.

vollman sledge rfa 2

vollman sledge rfa 1

 

Wow. There’s some stunning RFA blue this season.

  • Ryan Batty from Copper and Blue. We’ll talk about addressing the Oilers needs at G, D and F, and how best to go about it (trade, free agency, offer sheet). We’ll also tackle the list of Barons prospects and come up with a list of those likely to get a long look at training camp.
  • Jason Gregor from the Jason Gregor Show. We’ll talk Eskimo training camp, and I’ll ask about the O-line (Eskimo’s are importing them 6 at a time right now). We’ll also chat Oilers at the draft–trade up, down or out?
  • Jeff Krushell from Krush Performance. We’ll talk baseball and PEDs–they’re going to suspend players–what the hell? Jeff will have the answers.
  • Neal Livingston from Tend The Farm. Massive win for the Barons last night–and game 7 tonight? We’ll discuss with Neal.

Hope you can tune in.

 

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32 Responses to "IDEA DELIVERY"

  1. regwald says:

    LT, can I get a Volman refresher ?

    Blue is always good, but is better above the line. And a small red above the line is a good thing too.

    Big red is bad ?

  2. misfit says:

    Blue in the top left is special. Small red in that area is probably expected, and large red would mean the player could use a lighter load.

    Red in the bottom right should be seen as a problem IMO, and if you’re as far to the right as Stepan is, the blue bubble should be a good size.

    I personally see the X-axis as having a bigger impact on the size and colour of the bubble than the Y (especially for defensemen because they have less of an impact on the faceoff), but higher above the line does add an element of difficulty to the role.

  3. murphy says:

    What MacT has said so far sounds good, and we have good memories of him because the last time he was here was the last time we played a bit of defense and competed with the rest of the west. It’s also important to remember that the last time he was here we were overpaying veteran role players who under performed and we were throwing effective top line players like penner under the bus.

    Mac has impressed me with his words since he’s been back and belov looks good as well as the thought of an experienced associate coach. But something tells me to be guarded because you know he had a say the last time around with player personnel with how close he is with lowe. Hopefully he has taken a step back since then and doesn’t just try and repeat what was done here before.

  4. regwald says:

    misfit,

    Thanks misfit. Much appreciated.

  5. misfit says:

    One of the biggest problems I had with Tambellini wasn’t the lack of moves he made, but the severe lack of confidence he inspired when discussing them afterward. I never once got the impression that he really knew what he was getting. The worst examples were the interviews he gave after signing Barker and the Schultz/Gilbert trade.

  6. Mark-LW says:

    Does anyone have a reliable site for OKC streams? (other than theahl.com, tomorrow is payday and I’m eating ramen tonight)

  7. slopitch says:

    Did not know Anisimov did so well under that metric. I want him (6″4 center) almost as bad as tytuin now. I think Hagelin would be a great target however with Torts gone he’s probably not available.

  8. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Tyler Kennedy please
    Multi purpose player, good wheels
    For some reason he’s been a healthy scratch for the Pens off and on throughout the playoffs even though he has 5 points in 8 games.Yah, I know he plays with Crosby once in a while which pads his stats, but he looks very effective on a skill line or a checking line. I think the Pens have won every time he’s been in the lineup

  9. FrankenOil says:

    Would Alec Martinez be a good trade target? Seems to have fallen out of favor in LA.

  10. VOR says:

    I really hope MacT means he is open to trading down because while it all went wrong in 2003 (horrible execution – they should have gotten more to trade down and then used the picks better) the strategy for a deep draft was sound. There are a lot of good players in this draft after the top 6 it is just nobody can agree on how they should be ranked. Thus you need as many picks as possible.

    I’d trade the 7th for CBJ’s 19 and the first rounder from LA as well as CBJ 2nd rounder 44OV. Columbus ends up with a much better chance of getting a high end talent in the first round and the Oilers end up improving their chances of having an impact draft.

    The math loves it. I know at an intuitive level many Oilers fans would hate it. If MacT is thinking about it we know he is prepared to listen to math over gut.

  11. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Anton Lander’s 2012-13 splits at OKC (cherrypicked for max effect):

    First 42 GP: 4-7-11, -8
    Last 11 GP: 10-7-17, +14

    If he keeps this up I’m gonna start calling him “Joe Hardy”.

  12. Lowetide says:

    Bruce McCurdy:

    Anton Lander’s 2012-13 splits at OKC (cherrypicked for max effect):

    First 42 GP: 4-7-11, -8
    Last 11 GP: 10-7-17, +14

    If he keeps this up I’m gonna start calling him “Joe Hardy”.

    ha-HAH! I’ll match your Joe Hardy and raise the bet to DEL HALL!

  13. Racki says:

    So Mark Streit reportedly turned down $4.5M over 3 years. Some are suggesting that $5.5M over 3 years gets it done. I like Streit, but I hope we wouldn’t sign him for 3 years at that rate. That has too much potential to be a noose around our neck with other needs, although I think he’s a good bet to fill his end of the bargain. But if he retires early, we’re stuck with all that cap hit. I think at this point, I’d sooner pay a little extra for a 1 or 2 year deal. But Streit might be looking for more security though.

  14. commonfan14 says:

    VOR: I’d trade the 7th for CBJ’s 19 and the first rounder from LA as well as CBJ 2nd rounder 44OV. Columbus ends up with a much better chance of getting a high end talent in the first round and the Oilers end up improving their chances of having an impact draft.
    The math loves it. I know at an intuitive level many Oilers fans would hate it.

    I’d be interested to know exactly how math supports it.

    Intuitively, getting a high end talent in the first round = having an impact draft.

    If you’re just talking about maximizing the number of NHL GPs we’re likely to get from our draftees, I’d argue it’s important to remember that not all GPs are created equal.

  15. VOR says:

    Commonfan14,

    I will answer that this evening. Right now I am headed out to the farm for the day.

  16. TheOtherJohn says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Anton Lander’s 2012-13 splits at OKC (cherrypicked for max effect):

    First 42 GP: 4-7-11, -8
    Last 11 GP: 10-7-17, +14

    If he keeps this up I’m gonna start calling him “Joe Hardy”.

    I believe Bruce, who acknowledged Lander’s numbers were “cherrypicked for max effect” included Lander’s 6 point game in the last grouping. Correct?

    Still it is progress

    Lander has not scored in North America yet but another full season on the OKC 2nd line with PK and 2nd unit PP responsibilities & reasonable ES #’s and he may yet have a legitimate 200+ NHL career (I have discounted Lander’s 67 GP at NHL level beacuse Renney should never have kept him at last year)

  17. rickithebear says:

    Lander:
    He was highly unsuccessful at even playing with MP, Eager, Hordichuck, Petrell, Belanger, Yakupov
    Surprise surprise.
    He was very successful with Smyth, Hemsky, Eberle, Jones.
    He will be a 50% faceoff center.
    Based on history:
    Smyth – Lander -XXX 10 min a night all season is a +10 line.

  18. striatic says:

    Racki: I think at this point, I’d sooner pay a little extra for a 1 or 2 year deal.

    i haven’t done the back-of-the-napkin but i think the team can afford to go up to 7 million for a 1 year deal, which would be a hell of a thing to turn down.

  19. Radman says:

    Assuming Streit doesn’t sign with NYI, maybe the Oil could send Horcoff there for his rights prior to FA. This would clear some room to sign him and help NYI achieve the cap floor. Still not sure its a great idea to sign a 35+ Dman to a big deal, but maybe 3 years at something short of Horcoff’s cap hit is worth the risk ? Horcoff might have more appeal as actual salary is diminishing.

    What do you think ?

  20. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    LT,

    Tell your producer he’s an idiot (in the well-intentioned idiot kid-brother way).

    The song is by the Isley Bros. “Footsteps in the Dark” from 1977

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etwIu8-FlGU

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Footsteps_in_the_Dark

    Ice Cube “sampled” it for “It Was a Good Day”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViK8PwbJmxo

    Considering your producer didn’t even play Ice Cube’s rap over the track… he’s basically playing the Isley Bros. tune slightly sped up.

  21. Rocknrolla says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    LT,

    Tell your producer he’s an idiot (in the well-intentioned idiot kid-brother way).

    The song is by the Isley Bros. “Footsteps in the Dark” from 1977

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etwIu8-FlGU

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Footsteps_in_the_Dark

    Ice Cube “sampled” it for “It Was a Good Day”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViK8PwbJmxo

    Considering your producer didn’t even play Ice Cube’s rap over the track… he’s basically playing the Isley Bros. tune slightly sped up.

    Nice Call!

  22. Lowetide says:

    No wonder I liked it!

  23. FastOil says:

    Radman:
    Assuming Streit doesn’t sign with NYI, maybe the Oil could send Horcoff there for his rights prior to FA. This would clear some room to sign him and help NYI achieve the cap floor. Still not sure its a great idea to sign a 35+ Dman to a big deal, but maybe 3 years atsomething short of Horcoff’s cap hit is worth the risk ? Horcoff might have more appeal as actual salary is diminishing.

    What do you think ?

    I’m not sure what the Oilers would do with Streit. He and Vis don’t seem to used against tough comp as far as I can see in the Vollman charts and get a pretty good OZ push. Would he play with JS? That doesn’t seem like a good pairing to me, both play the same game.

    I think the Oilers are in tough for that LH power play D MacT wants. To me it seems like the only spot available is 1LD because JS isn’t ready to play top pairing (if he ever is) so Petry is needed there. That likely would have to be addressed through trade this year.

    I’m not on board trading the 7th for a D, at least this draft year. I think the top 4 are decent given the context and MacT has already helped the third pairing at least. No D corp would look good given the chaos the Oilers played and a complete lack of forward support. The power play has enough juice as it is even if it could be better.

    There are bigger needs up front that pick can address.

  24. Rondo says:

    A very good interview with Darnell Nurse by Jason Gregor

    http://oilersnation.com/2013/6/5/player-profile-darnell-nurse

    If I was ranking potential picks by the Oilers my guess would be :

    1.Barkov
    2. Monahan
    3. Nurse
    4.Nichushkin
    5.Lindholm

  25. Radman says:

    FastOil,

    I am with you.Somehow I’m not that enthusiastic about Streit as an Oiler, and could see his age and contract becoming problematic. I guess if you were sending Horcoff there using that money to pay Streit it might make some sense.

    Wonder if playoff performances of Horton and Bickell will make it harder for their respective teams to let them become UFAs. Salary caps will definitely come into play. Could see a team throwing big money / term there way in spite of the risks if they make it to UFA-dom. Will be interesting.,

  26. FastOil says:

    Radman:
    FastOil,

    I am with you.Somehow I’m not that enthusiastic about Streit as an Oiler, and could see his age and contract becoming problematic. I guess if you were sending Horcoff there using that money to pay Streit it might make some sense.

    Wonder if playoff performances of Horton and Bickell will make it harder for their respective teams to let them become UFAs. Salary caps will definitely come into play. Could see a team throwing big money / termthere way in spite of the risks if they make it to UFA-dom. Will be interesting.,

    It’s pretty hard to anticipate what will happen given the cap thing this year. I think the Oilers can afford Streit and he still plays well in a somewhat sheltered role at least, I’m just not sure how he fits in.

    I had a look at the Islander’s Capgeek page and they have a lot of players to sign so the cap floor isn’t likely a problem for them. Their internal budget might be. Snow does seem to trying to compete even with his lack of money to spend. The Isles have a lot of D prospects so I wouldn’t be surprised if they let Streit go to save money and promote someone, but weird things happen on the Island so you never know.

    Edit
    The Oilers need a Potter for the left side if they can’t find their stud 1 LD, decent enough to play bottom end minutes but can help on the powerplay.

  27. Beaker says:

    FastOil: It’s pretty hard to anticipate what will happen given the cap thing this year. I think the Oilers can afford Streit and he still plays well in a somewhat sheltered role at least, I’m just not sure how he fits in.

    I had a look at the Islander’s Capgeek page and they have a lot of players to sign so the cap floor isn’t likely a problem for them. Their internal budget might be. Snow does seem to trying to compete even with his lack of money to spend. The Isles have a lot of D prospects so I wouldn’t be surprised if they let Streit go to save money and promote someone, but weird things happen on the Island so you never know.

    Edit
    The Oilers need a Potter for the left side if they can’t find their stud 1 LD, decent enough to play bottom end minutes but can help on the powerplay.

    If we are going to sign a guy like that who’s probably looking for 5mil per then why in the hell would be need to shelter him? If he needs to be sheltered the move the heck on.

  28. Henry says:

    If Mark Streit turned really down $14.5M at his age, he made a mistake or wants to escape the Island. Conversely anyone paying that much for a 35+ player with the cap going down should be getting an all-star. Steit is a decent defenseman and has been productive, but this looks like too much cap with too few options in case of disaster.

  29. speeds says:

    Craig Button, from today’s TSN chat, talking about Monahan and Lindholm:

    http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649

    Craig Button: “I think Sean Monahan and Elias Lindholm at the very least will be #2 centers in the NHL with the potential to be #1 centers. There is no discernible difference between the two players IMO. Both players are exceptionally smart and I think that is a pre-requisite for being a good center in the NHL. When I watch Krejci & Bergeron, I see that exceptional intelligence and while they are different, they are very strong players for the Bruins. Again, I’m not smart enough to say that Sean is clearly better than Elias or the other way around and leave that to the teams to make that decision. I say that because of this; “I am assessing players’ NHL potential once they have matured (about 21-22) and teams have to look at how players fit into their particular organization and a lot of that is done when they meet and spend time with the players to understand how one player may potentially fit better than another based on all players in that teams’ organization. It’s an important step and one that I don’t partake in. That is the fine line when you are talking about players in the same tier of talent IMO.”

  30. Bruce McCurdy says:

    TheOtherJohn: I believeBruce, who acknowledged Lander’s numbers were “cherrypicked for max effect” included Lander’s 6 point game in the last grouping. Correct?

    Well it sure in hell wasn’t in the first grouping, now was it?

    Neither was it the first game of the latter grouping, but the franchise-record performance was among Lander’s last 5 regular season games.

    But for sake of argument let’s throw out the 6-point game entirely as an out-of-body experience / act of the hockey gods, and you still have 11 points in 10 games. As compared to 11 points in 42 games. I’ll say that’s “progress”.

    I wouldn’t for a moment suggest it’s sustainable, but I will say it’s enough to have moved the offensive upside needle from zero to non-zero.

  31. till_horcoff_is_coach says:

    If streit signed then retired, isles count against cap but don’t pay the salary? Or would it not count for cap floor?

  32. nelson88 says:

    Rondo:
    A very good interview with Darnell Nurse by Jason Gregor

    http://oilersnation.com/2013/6/5/player-profile-darnell-nurse

    If I was ranking potential picksby the Oilersmy guess would be :

    1.Barkov
    2. Monahan
    3. Nurse
    4.Nichushkin
    5.Lindholm

    Nice interview. I don’t know Darnell but I do know his father and it does not surprise me at all that he comes across as a mature and well grounded kid. I really think the Oilers need a big C but I would not be disappointed if they took Darnell at #7.

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