OKC V GRAND RAPIDS 5.6.13

This is what the sport is all about. Game 7. An entire year, one silver bullet in a career. The winner? Glory! The loser? The depth of hell. Bless you boys, do it one more time. (Photo by Rob Ferguson, all rights reserved).

Lines and Pairings:

  • L1: Arcobello-Cornet-Cheechoo
  • L2: Lander-Rajala-Hartikainen
  • L3: Stretch-Green-Pitlick
  • L4: VandeVelde-Eager-Tyrvainen
  • D1: Marincin-Fedun
  • D2: Davidson-Stafford
  • D3: Jones-Hotham
  • G1: Danis

Miles from the heart of the Oilers cluster, something special is happening in Oklahoma. The Barons.

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57 Responses to "OKC V GRAND RAPIDS 5.6.13"

  1. gr8one says:

    Anyone know of a stream?

  2. Lowetide says:

    AHL, costs a little $

  3. Lowetide says:

    AND it’s 1-0 Grand Rapids. Nothing comes easy for the Barons.

  4. regwald says:

    Go Barons Go !!! Hockey Gods, give OKC something positive for the past 2 weeks of hell.

  5. Lowetide says:

    Now 2-1 OKC, goals by VandeVelde and Hartikainen.

  6. Lowetide says:

    2-2- after 1

    VandeVelde (Eager, Tyrvainen)
    Hartikainen (Rajala)

  7. oil709 says:

    http://www.p2p4u.net there is a stream up for the OKC game. That site is good for streaming all sports. NHL,NFL,UFC etc…

  8. uni says:

    Last game Lander looked like a stud, 1G 2A, so let’s hope this small sample size is a sign of things to come. Hartikainen and Rajala just keep chugging along, I can’t see how he fits but damn I’d love to see him on the Oilers roster. 4th line with Rajala and Hartikainen can’t be worse than what the Oilers have tossed out in recent years.

  9. PunjabiOil says:

    The highs, the lows, the drama unfolds. This is why we watch sport.

  10. uni says:

    Gustav Nyquist just popped one. 3-2 Griffins.

  11. Lowetide says:

    Tyrvainen (Eager, Davidson) all tied at 3.

  12. uni says:

    They really like the dramatic.

    Tied 3-3, Tyrvainen (Eager, Davidson).

  13. dessert1111 says:

    The Barons running a 4th line resembling an Oilers 4th line for part of the year. But it is effective at the AHL level :)

  14. uni says:

    Barons 4th line with 2 goals. Huh. Odd.

  15. uni says:

    Taylor Fedun! 4-3 Barons.

  16. fuzzy muppet says:

    Com’n Barons!!!

  17. Lowetide says:

    Fedun (Arcobello, Cheechoo)!!! 4-3 Crazy days!

  18. uni says:

    4-4. This one is going down to the wire.

  19. Derek says:

    Ugly goal, backhand goes in short side.

  20. prairieschooner says:

    What’s it like watching your team playing play off hockey?

  21. striatic says:

    both teams looking extremely cautious.

  22. uni says:

    It’s too bad that Cheechoo’s knees betrayed him. He can still play the game otherwise, hard on the forecheck and knows where to go on the ice.

  23. Lowetide says:

    Griffins score late, 5-4. That could be it. Man. What a ride.

  24. uni says:

    Yeah, looks bad. Barons trying for another 2 goal ending to the 3rd like in game 6?

    Save us Anton Lander, you’re our only hope?

  25. Derek says:

    Hahaha did you just edit your comment 3 times Uni? That was really good.

  26. fuzzy muppet says:

    Danis looks pretty bad…

  27. Lowetide says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    Danis looks pretty bad…

    Yeah, MacT has some work to do in goal.

  28. RexLibris says:

    uni:
    Yeah, looks bad.Barons trying for another 2 goal ending to the 3rd like in game 6?

    Save us Anton Lander, you’re our only hope?

    Now, dub that into a YouTube clip and your name will live forever.

  29. uni says:

    Derek,

    More like 4 times, I was trying to put a cohesive sentence together, convince my girlfriend I was listening to her, and finish up some shipping at the same time.

    Update: Well accomplished 1 out of 3. Girlfriend is in bed angry, and I’m going to have some delicate work getting in there tonight. Thanks for nothing Barons.

  30. Lucinius says:

    Well… damn.

  31. uni says:

    Well they came close a few times in those dying seconds ending with a missed tip. I think Fuzzy Muppet is right, this loss is on Danis, he let in some really questionable ones this game.

  32. striatic says:

    gg

  33. Truth Movement says:

    Oof, Danis. Horrible game. I hate putting it on goalies, but he let in some awful awful goals. Those last two against were abysmal.

  34. Racki says:

    Pretty sure that would be Danis’ last game as Oiler property.

  35. RexLibris says:

    For the Barons. A song about fighting the good fight, camaraderie, and coming up just short.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu4oy1IRTh8

    Next year…

  36. OilLeak says:

    How has Pilick looked? Pitlick the only forward without a shot on net tonight and only 1 in the last game. The Kid just can’t put together enough offense to be a considered a legitimate prospect anymore, if Pilick was drafted in the 4th round he would have been shipped off to Siberia by now.

  37. Lowetide says:

    OilLeak:
    How has Pilick looked? Pitlick the only forward without a shot on net tonight and only 1 in the last game.The Kid just can’t put together enough offense to be a considered a legitimate prospect anymore, if Pilick was drafted in the 4th round he would have been shipped off to Siberia by now.

    I’d disagree, although there are many who don’t seem him as much. Pitlick’s sog total in the last 14 games (31 shots) represents a decent total, but the key is he’s been healthy and played a regular shift.

    That’s the news on Pitlick. Give him a full season in the top 9 with reasonable skill. If he can’t top 40 points then we’ve got our answer. However, I don’t think there’s any reason to flush him before his entry level deal is completed.

  38. Gerta Rauss says:

    That’s too bad-I just got home from work so I missed the game but tried to get updates between periods, it looked good early in the 3rd but it sounds like goaltending may have let them down.

    The link below is a couple days old but it sounds like Carolina is open to dealing the 5th pick-but, of course, they always say that.We’re going to be bidding against Calgary which doesn’t make things easier, but if Nich goes in the top 4 I would be willing to pony up and try to grab Barkov.

    http://hurricanes.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=672780&navid=DL|CAR|home

  39. RexLibris says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    That’s too bad-I just got home from work so I missed the game but tried to get updates between periods, it looked good early in the 3rd but it sounds like goaltending may have let them down.

    The link below is a couple days old but it sounds like Carolina is open to dealing the 5th pick-but, of course, they always say that.We’re going to be bidding against Calgary which doesn’t make things easier, but if Nich goes in the top 4 I would be willing to pony up and try to grab Barkov.

    http://hurricanes.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=672780&navid=DL|CAR|home

    Bidding against Calgary may come down to one crucial asset that I believe the Oilers *may* have more of than the Flames: managerial competence.

    It is early, and MacTavish hasn’t proven anything yet, but Feaster certainly has. If Carolina wanted to trade down and pick up an immediate asset and a prospect, well Edmonton fits that bill far more readily than Calgary.

  40. Gerta Rauss says:

    RexLibris,

    Sure, but it’s those 2 first rounders that Calgary has that worry me.

    6, 25 and 29* trumps 7 and 37. I have no idea what Carolina would want other than draft picks..we don’t have any Staal’s tucked away in storage.

    I’m not sure what my threshold is but at some point I walk away and happily take (whoever) at 7.

  41. Gerta Rauss says:

    That being said, LT mentioned something involving Ruutu a couple days ago…if Carolina needs some cap/salary relief I’d be all over that.

  42. RexLibris says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    RexLibris,

    Sure, but it’s those 2 first rounders that Calgary has that worry me.

    6, 25 and 29* trumps 7 and 37. I have no idea what Carolina would want other than draft picks..we don’t have any Staal’stucked away in storage.

    I’m not sure what my threshold is but at some point I walk away and happily take (whoever) at 7.

    Carolina is looking to trade down, but Rutherford spent a lot of futures last draft on immediate concerns. I don’t believe he is ready to shift gears on that goal just yet. This is why I stubbornly believe that Hemsky has value to him. He is a proven NHL forward with whom Rutherford has some first-hand experience. At the same time, if things go bad for the Hurricanes next season he is an easy asset to move at the deadline for a pick/prospect.

    I’m not saying Hemsky + #7 gets you #5, but it might involve him and a settling of accounts with a prospect here and a 2nd round pick there, going both ways to make the two teams happy.

    Put it this way, going into June 2012, Jordan Staal was 50/50 to be traded, but how many expected that he would be moved on the draft floor for a decent pick and a prospect? The year before that how many people expected Holmgren to sell off Carter and Richards at the same time?

    Calgary has 1st round picks, and they are targeting Barkov, but what NHL-ready assets do they have to offer? Brodie, Backlund and Baertschi and Feaster is highly, highly unlikely to part with any of them right now. Those 1st round picks aren’t the currency the Hurricanes are after and the Flames are virtually empty of other, moveable, assets.

    Plus its Feaster.

    If all it took was trading down two spots in a deep draft to get the player they want and a proven NHL forward? That really doesn’t seem like such a far-fetched idea. I don’t expect it to happen, but I think the Oilers actually have a little more leverage here than we assume.

  43. RexLibris says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    That being said, LT mentioned something involving Ruutu a couple days ago…if Carolina needs some cap/salary relief I’d be all over that.

    Amen.

  44. Gerta Rauss says:

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=4&id=257886

    Todd Nelson post game-there is a couple more interviews on the Oilers site including Ben Eager.

  45. Gerta Rauss says:

    RexLibris,

    I agree re: Hemsky.

    Maybe I’m wearing homer goggles but I think Hemsky has value, especially if we keep a bit of salary in the deal.

  46. LMHF#1 says:

    That Jagr guy sure still play some hockey. Man…

  47. Lowetide says:

    LMHF#1:
    That Jagr guy sure still play some hockey. Man…

    He’s slowing though. He’ll be out of the NHL in a decade. Maybe less.

  48. VOR says:

    http://myslu.stlawu.edu/~msch/sports/Schuckers_NHL_Draft.pdf

    I promised commonfan 14 in the previous post that I would try to explain what I meant when I said that the math indicated that trading down in this draft would be a good move for the Oilers if for example they could trade the 7th OV to CBJ for their 19, LA’s 1st, and CBJ 2nd rounder. You can simply go to Michael Schuckers table which is at the bottom of the paper you can add up the value of each round of the draft. The value of 19, 30, and 44 exceeds either a 7OV or 5OV. In fact, it is almost the value of a 3OV.

    Commonfan14, and many of you will say that this is just looking at games played and not all games are equal. Things look much the same if you look at PPI as Jeff Little does in this two part piece – for the hockeywriters:

    http://thehockeywriters.com/panning-for-goldthe-nhl-draft-analyzed-part-ii/

    or David Johnson’s work on Player Quality

    http://hockeyanalysis.com/2006/06/24/draft-schmaft-from-draft-pick-to-nhler/

    Though to really get the flavour of what Johnson is saying you need to look at WAR#s. That is wins above replacement. Lets assume a true first liner is worth 45 wins above replacement, an average NHL regular 15 wins above replacement, a utility player 5 wins and all others 0. This anonymous poster does exactly that and applies WAR to Johnson’s numbers:

    http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/value_of_draft_picks_in_nhl/

    Considering all that I tried it a different way. I asked how often would 19OV, 30OV, and 44OV if optimized (ie. best player left that year at 19, 30 and 44 was selected) exceed 7OV or for that matter 5OV. It turns out every year from 1985-2009 if you had perfect drafting 19, 30, and 44 had the potential to exceed the value of the player taken at either 5 or 7. Consider Jaromir Jagr was drafted 5 in 1990 could you have done better with 19, 30, and 44. Seems preposterous.

    Well at 19 somebody took Keith Tkachuk, though you could have taken Martin Brodeur who went 20. At 30 you could have taken the kid who went 34 Dougie Weight, and at 44 you could have taken the kid who went 45 Vyacheslav Kozlov. As good as Jagr is, it isn’t close to what you could theoretically do with those three picks. Truthfully it never is.

    On the other hand that implies your scouting staff is perfect. What happens in the real world?

    From 1985 to 2009 imagine three scenarios.

    1. You were stuck drafting 5th OV every year.

    2. You were stuck drafting 7th OV every year.

    3. You were stuck drafting 19th, 30th, and 44th OV each year.

    You have to take the players picked in those slots in those years. Which option is best. I tried the following approach. For true superstars – I assigned 60WAR, true 1st liners got 45 WAR, NHL regulars got 15 WAR, utility players got 5 WAR, all others 0.

    I get 5th OV giving you 4 superstars, 5 1st liners, 11 average NHLers, and 4 utility players for a total of 650 WAR points

    7th OV gives you 4 superstars, 3 1st liners, 9 average, and 7 utility players for a total of 545.

    19, 30, and 44 gives you 3 superstars, 9 first liners, 13 average players, and 13 utility players for a total of 945 WAR points.

    As I said earlier today in the previous thread Columbus would get slightly better odds of a great player in return for us having way better odds of a good outcome for the draft.

    By the way in the 25 years 6 times my approach gives the worst outcome, twice it is a tie, and 17 times it gives the best outcome of any option.

  49. VOR says:

    I should say one of the ties was 2003…Vanek, Suter, Getzlaf…take your choice.

  50. fifthcartel says:

    I figure Hemsky can at least fetch a 2nd rounder + prospect, especially if the Oilers are willing to take on some salary. At the draft, maybe?

  51. OilLeak says:

    Lowetide,

    Oh he should definitely get one last shot, there is some skill there, but I just don’t see him putting it together at this point.

  52. OilLeak says:

    VOR,

    Interesting analysis, although at some point you would run of places to put these players( AHL, roster spots, etc) but what a problem to have.

  53. FinnOil says:

    Tyrväinen has signed 1 year deal with Jokerit Helsinki. Jokerit made press release today after Barons season came to end. Here’s story in Finnish: http://www.jokerit.com/uutiset/?nid=2412
    Antti’s brother Juhani is also playing for Jokerit.

  54. RexLibris says:

    VOR,

    Shucker’s table is interesting and one I’ve referenced before. There is one item that stands out though in that the table uses draft generalization to determine values and this requires the inclusion of the term “all things being equal”. Unfortunately, the Oilers’ drafting history is anything but equal to other teams around the league.

    If trading down gets you a solid depth forward and a potential 2nd pairing defenseman as well as another 2nd round pick then it would be a good fit for the Oilers’ organizational needs (to add system depth and restock a development system that is graduating a lot of prospects).

  55. rickithebear says:

    VOR: I promised commonfan 14 in the previous post that I would try to explain what I meant when I said that the math indicated that trading down in this draft would be a good move for the Oilers if for example they could trade the 7th OV to CBJ for their 19, LA’s 1st, and CBJ 2nd rounder.

    you failed to point out that this chart holds for an average year.

    generational year it is off.

  56. dessert1111 says:

    Danis wasn’t up to the task, and I had the #6 defenseman Hotham making a couple big mistakes, one leading to a goal against in the 3rd and another to a breakaway. Just an AHL/ECHL guy, but I will never understand why Nelson didn’t dress Nathan Deck instead in that #6 spot, a guy who was holding his own playing top-pair minutes earlier in the year. Hotham was only put there because Plante was injured then Teubert wasn’t up to the task anyway.

    All in all a good season, just another 3 1/2 weeks to the draft :D

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