STEVE TAMBELLINI RE 12-13: RADIO NOWHERE

Beyond the draft picks and Justin Schultz lies the abyss. Steve Tambellini authored a devastating period in Oilers history and left a roster filled with forgettable. From all accounts, Steve Tambellini is a very nice man, and the latest in a long line of gents who prove that nice guys finish last. A career hockey middle manager, given the spotlight he made a series of mid-level bets as Edmonton GM–and they failed miserably.

  1. This feels like piling on. Well we don’t have to be cruel.
  2. Radio Nowhere? It fits.
  3. He did good things. I think we can give him credit for the minor league system rebuild, and the Hall contract is a terrific one.
  4. And the negatives? Endless, I would suggest his ‘stand and deliver’ July 1st 2011 series of transactions (bought out Souray, signs Cam Barker, Ben Eager, Darcy Hordichuk, Eric Belanger, Corey Potter and trades for Andy Sutton) as his nadir.
  5. At least he didn’t make too many foolish trades. Sure he did. You’ve just forgotten because he didn’t DO much, it was the big sleep era, he was the human blanket show.
  6. Now now. What were his worst trades? Cogliano for a pick, the deal that saw Edmonton get Patrick O’Sullivan and everyone else get Erik Cole and Justin Williams, Brodziak for picks, Lubo for Whitney, Gilbert for Schultz.
  7. Well, that’s not great. Exactly. And then there’s the free agent moves and the buyouts.
  8. Aside from that, what were his main issues? He was very slow to act. And you know, that’s not always a bad thing, but even this year when it was clear the pressure was on he waited forever to replace Horcoff in the lineup (never did, really). Instead of overpaying for a C that night, he used Lander, VandeVelde and Arcobello as C replacements before finally giving up a dear draft pick for Smithson. For me that’s the defining moment in Tambellini’s time as Oilers GM–even when he himself was about to burn, he didn’t pick up the bucket of water and put out the fire. I don’t know what that’s called, but it isn’t good.
  9. Anything else? An enormous number of bad bets, just incredible. Las Vegas is built on bets like these.
  10. People ripped him for not being quick in front of the camera. Actually, I think people were generally kind about that area.
  11. Come on. Seriously. If you’re ever looking for kindness in your fellow human beings, look there. People will endure a lot of discomfort from a speaker or spokesman; empathy is still alive and well and in the case of Tambellini’s public speaking no one took him to task. Ever.
  12. Did he improve as a public speaker? He did, which I think is a positive. Tambellini is very likely exactly as he presents himself: a very nice fellow, a solid middle management type. No sin there, he was miscast and a poor hire for the job description.
  13. Where will he rank among Oiler GMs? Last.
  14. Who were the others? Larry Gordon, Glen Sather, Kevin Lowe, Craig MacTavish.
  15. Shouldn’t we discuss it? Everybody knows. Everybody.
  16. Will they bring him back for the Stanley presentation? Of course they will.
  17. What will he do next? And this is where we end the discussion.

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102 Responses to "STEVE TAMBELLINI RE 12-13: RADIO NOWHERE"

  1. theres oil in virginia says:

    There’s really not much to disagree with here. I don’t think I understood just how bad it was until reading the above. The Gilbert trade chaps me the worst out of all of it.

  2. Woodguy says:

    I think Tambellini lost every trade he was involved in.

    His last trade is very symbolic of his time here. A 4th for 10 games of Jerrod Smithson was like lighting money on fire. The horse had long left the barn, the barn had burnt, the feed had rotted and V4.2 was picking out saddles.

    Other than the Hall contract (which is brilliant), he lost every contract negotiation as well.

    Signing Gagner to a 1 year last year gives Gagner all the leverage this year. All 89 has to do is file for arbitration and he’s the youngest FA to have served all of his RFA years in the history of the NHL.

    He simply had no capacity to think about the consequence of his actions.

    Contracts that needed to be short, were long.

    Contracts that needed to be long, were short.

    Ignoring reasonable options on the waiver wire, then trading somewhat valuable picks for what amounts to as waiver fodder.

    If you gave V4.2 a tube of green paint and a tube of blue paint and asked him to paint an outdoor scene he would paint the sky green and the grass blue. Of course he would have mulled over his decision for a while and the rest of the class would be handing in their 4th assignment while he was finishing his first.

    He was truly over his head as a NHL GM.

    During the rebuild you’d hope that the team discovered one gem from the AHL or college FA who worked his way to the big team, but there is almost nothing but shitty contracts to fading players like $2.25MM x 2 years for a 64 year old Ryan Smyth.

    If someone listed all his moves and told you an actual living, breathing NHL GM made them all you’d have to think it was all fiction. No one could be that bad.

    Just Fucking Awful.

  3. Lowetide says:

    lol WG. Classic.

  4. bookje says:

    He did a great job at tanking. I doubt many could have held steady in the face of total suckatude like that. He was terrible at procuring talent outside of top picks and Marginal NHL players.

    I never faulted him for the Fosters and Frasers as the were tank era moves, but that 2011 day with Belanger et al was the moment when the team was supposed to start improving and every single player he acquired did worse than expected. Some trades/signings looked ok at the time, but they were all lemons.

    With that said, I am very glad he did not load up on NTCs and NMCs or long contracts. There was some benefit in his lack of aggressiveness.

    MacT has a good base with the youth here and otherwise an open book so now it’s up to him. Here’s to hoping he is a hockey genius.

  5. Lowetide says:

    MacT has plenty of work to do, though and Tambellini is the sole author. Belanger, Eager, etc.

  6. Woodguy says:

    No discussion about Tambellini should be had without reading these two links:

    The players Tambellini brought in/signed: http://www.coppernblue.com/2013/3/12/4092074/steve-tambellinis-transaction-trade-signing-history

    The players Tambellini sent away: http://www.coppernblue.com/2013/3/13/4096596/tambellinis-discards

    NOTE: Those were written before the earth shaking addition of 10 games of Smithson

    Sent Away:

    Mathieu Garon

    Erik Cole

    Kyle Brodziak

    Denis Grebeshkov

    Steve Staios

    Dustin Penner

    Andrew Cogliano

    Tom Gilbert

    Lubomir Visnovsky

    Robert Nilsson

    Sheldon Souray

    Marc Pouliot

    Rob Schremp

    Fernando Pisani

    Ethan Moreau

    Liam Reddox

    Jean-Francois Jacques

    Tim Sestito

    Ryan Potulny

    Zack Stortini

    Ryan O’Marra

    Dwayne Roloson

    Jeff Deslauriers

    Players he brought in/signed:

    Ales Kotalik

    Ryan Whitney*

    Ryan Jones*

    Aaron Johnson

    Colin Fraser

    Jim Vandermeer

    Kurtis Foster

    Alexandre Giroux

    Shawn Belle

    Martin Gerber

    Colten Teubert*

    Taylor Fedun*

    Corey Potter*

    Eric Belanger*

    Andy Sutton*

    Ben Eager*

    Lennart Petrell*

    Nick Schultz*

    Cam Barker

    Bryan Rodney

    Josh Green*

    Mark Fistric*

    Justin Schultz*

    Ryan Smyth*

    Mike Brown*

  7. bookje says:

    Woodguy,

    The Penner trade was a pretty clear win

  8. Woodguy says:

    bookje:
    Woodguy,

    The Penner trade was a pretty clear win

    Tuebert is a bust.

    If Klef pans out it might be, but 2 years later we are still a ways away.

    You can’t call that trade a win at all.

    As of today the return on the Penner trade has been Colten Teubert playing 25 games as an Oiler, getting one assist, 25 penalty minutes and going -5.

    You can’t call that a win until (if) Klef is a regular in the Oilers top 4 and we at least a year away from that, if it happens.

  9. sliderule says:

    Depressing topic.

    Tell me why we won those last two games when Nashville and flames were outanking us by playing the farm boys.

    He couldn’t even figure out how to finish what we thought he did best.

  10. theres oil in virginia says:

    Woodguy,

    That’s a new definition for the term “#1 goalie”. From the first WG link:

    “There’s a number one goalie, though. Nikolai Khabibulin has helped the Oilers get a whack of number ones.”

  11. Woodguy says:

    I used to subscribe to the theory that v4.2 was just a front for Lowe so he didn’t take the heat that accumulates in a scorched earth rebuild.

    While this was essentially true, I have come to learn, after talking to a few people, that v4.2 had much more latitude to run the team and that Lowe wasn’t directing everything.

    Certainly he couldn’t make any really big decisions on his own, but he was left alone to make most of the small and medium sized ones.

    Given the results I think its even more of an indictment of Lowe that the folly of v4.2 was allowed to go on so long.

    Its one thing to suck the hind banana for so long as to get more high picks after the unintended fall into the elevator shaft which resulted in Hall at 1st overall.

    Its entirely another to clog up the 50 man with players types who are readily available on waivers or below $1MM/yr in the FA market.

    Its also entirely another to give out longish contracts to declining players, or player types who have a limited shelf life.

    Tambellini did a good job clearing our all the crap on the roster that accumulated at the end of the Lowe era after Lowe had his Road to Damascus moment of CLARITY.

    The fact that he learned nothing from that and clogged up the roster and the 50 man with even worse players is damning.

  12. Radman says:

    Well….he did rock the draft lottery

  13. bookje says:

    Woodguy: Tuebert is a bust.

    If Klef pans out it might be, but 2 years later we are still a ways away.

    You can’t call that trade a win at all.

    As of today the return on the Penner trade has been Colten Teubert playing 25 games as an Oiler, getting one assist, 25 penalty minutes and going -5.

    You can’t call that a win until (if) Klef is a regular in the Oilers top 4 and we at least a year away from that, if it happens.

    ??????? You base the value of the trade on the assets at the time. You value the pick not the eventual result. You are a smart guy so I know you are being I tension ally obtuse here. If you trade Crosby for a 3rd pick and the 3rd round pick becomes the best player to ever play the game, you still made a terrible trade, you just made a brilliant/lucky pick.

    I’m not defending Tambellini as a GM, but that does not mean every moment was terrible, I am fine with saying his tenure was a disaster, but he won the Penner trade.

  14. Maverick says:

    Woodguy:
    No discussion about Tambellini should be had without reading these two links:

    The players Tambellini brought in/signed:http://www.coppernblue.com/2013/3/12/4092074/steve-tambellinis-transaction-trade-signing-history

    The players Tambellini sent away: http://www.coppernblue.com/2013/3/13/4096596/tambellinis-discards

    NOTE: Those were written before the earth shaking addition of 10 games of Smithson

    Sent Away:

    Mathieu Garon

    Erik Cole

    Kyle Brodziak

    Denis Grebeshkov

    Steve Staios

    Dustin Penner

    Andrew Cogliano

    Tom Gilbert

    Lubomir Visnovsky

    Robert Nilsson

    Sheldon Souray

    Marc Pouliot

    Rob Schremp

    Fernando Pisani

    Ethan Moreau

    Liam Reddox

    Jean-Francois Jacques

    Tim Sestito

    Ryan Potulny

    Zack Stortini

    Ryan O’Marra

    Dwayne Roloson

    Jeff Deslauriers

    Players he brought in/signed:

    Ales Kotalik

    Ryan Whitney*

    Ryan Jones*

    Aaron Johnson

    Colin Fraser

    Jim Vandermeer

    Kurtis Foster

    Alexandre Giroux

    Shawn Belle

    Martin Gerber

    Colten Teubert*

    Taylor Fedun*

    Corey Potter*

    Eric Belanger*

    Andy Sutton*

    Ben Eager*

    Lennart Petrell*

    Nick Schultz*

    Cam Barker

    Bryan Rodney

    Josh Green*

    Mark Fistric*

    Justin Schultz*

    Ryan Smyth*

    Mike Brown*

    Reading that list all I have to say is….”OH GOOD LORD!”

    Down grades in almost every area, wow! That’s brutal. Add in the contracts and such, not good, not good at all.

  15. Lowetide says:

    One of the overlooked items (by many) about MacT is the sweeping changes he’s making. MBs has talked about what MacT wants, and it’s a different draft board than the one Tambellini presented them. Fascinating stuff, MacT has an enormous opportunity.

    Just don’t trade for Luongo!

  16. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    “Aside from that, what were his main issues? He was very slow to act. And you know, that’s not always a bad thing, but even this year when it was clear the pressure was on he waited forever to replace Horcoff in the lineup (never did, really). Instead of overpaying for a C that night, he used Lander, VandeVelde and Arcobello as C replacements before finally giving up a dear draft pick for Smithson.”

    I wrote about this once before, but I want to run it through once more to see if it has any merit.

    I’m not entirely convinced the portrait of ST as the dithering type fits his decision making. Looking over the 2012-13 season, as an example, I reach a different conclusion.

    To me ST’s great failing is talent assessment (where holes are, which are important, how valuable that hole is in the abstract, how valuable an individual player is, etc.).

    If we look through the period of the great C-atastrophe it coincides with ST’s aggressive decision making concerning a particular aspect of the roster: face-punchers.

    ST decided this type of player was important to the team’s success. (we can see this from the SMAC contract through to the Eager/Hordichuk signings). At some point in the season he decided Eager and Hordichuk weren’t going to cut it.

    He puts in a waiver claim on Volpatti (loses)
    Spends a conditional 4th rounder on Brown.

    To me this profile doesn’t represent dithering. He identified an area of need, bounced a current roster player deemed underperforming, sought a replacement aggressively and arguably overpaid for him.

    The problem isn’t that he was slow to act. The problem is that he had no idea how to distinguish between real and phantom needs on the team.

    “Slow to act” implies that he has recognized a problem but remains mired in a tortuous indecision. I’m sorry to say that I think this actually gives him too much credit as his true failing was simply poor talent assessment.

    You can’t be slow to act on problems you fail to grasp. And, on the problems ST did grasp he appears to have been rather quick and aggressive to act.

    “Slow to act” seems like a misdiagnosis.

  17. bookje says:

    Woodguy,

    I agree that he was in charge. I think Lowe lost cred with Katz aftermaking Katz look foolish chasing Heatley. I also think Tambellini was more on board with the rebuild than Lowe . I don’t think it was Lowes decision to keep Tambellini so long, but it took a while for Katz to accept the scale of the disaster and hand the keys back to Lowe.

  18. Maverick says:

    Lowetide:
    One of the overlooked items (by many) about MacT is the sweeping changes he’s making. MBs has talked about what MacT wants, and it’s a different draft board than the one Tambellini presented them. Fascinating stuff, MacT has an enormous opportunity.

    Just don’t trade for Luongo!

    Yikes! That may be a really possibility!
    With the Canucks signing Joacim Eriksson and having Lack someone is gone in Vancouver. Please MacT don’t trade for Loungo!

    I should add that I am sure “Mr.Negativity” (CH) will be posting later about the Canucks and how great they are ;-)

  19. bookje says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Fully agree, he had no ability to assess NHL talent.

  20. Lowetide says:

    Rom: Even there he was slow to act. Eager hasn’t been right since falling out of the Tulupov tree and coach Krueger wasn’t using Hordichuk forever. Slow, slower, slowest. Every team in the NHL was more aggressive from 2008-13 than the Oilers.

    It was incredible. Incredible.

  21. theres oil in virginia says:

    My impression of the list of those sent away is that it isn’t so much who left, it’s who came back in return. Other than Gilbert, I’m not unhappy to have seen most/all of the others go, but I’m not too happy about what they’ve turned into. This would seem to support Rom’s hypothesis.

  22. Woodguy says:

    bookje: ???????You base the value of the trade on the assets at the time.You value the pick not the eventual result.You are a smart guy so I know you are being I tension ally obtuse here.If you trade Crosby for a 3rd pick and the 3rd round pick becomes the best player to ever play the game, you still made a terrible trade, you just made a brilliant/lucky pick.

    I’m not defending Tambellini as a GM, but that does not mean every moment was terrible, I am fine with saying his tenure was a disaster, but he won the Penner trade.

    I thought you were basing it on getting Klef.

    I have no problem trading anyone if the return is better.

    I do not think that a first round pick and AHL Dman was adequate for 1.25 years of Penner.

    If Penner only had the rest of the 10/11 season, then it would have been a home run.

    In the last 1.75 years that Penner was an Oiler he scored 102pts in 144 games.

    Trading 1.25 years of a 0.708pts/gm 6’4″ LW for a mid-first and a nobody is not a win.

  23. bookje says:

    Lowetide,

    Very bad judge of Talent AND slow to act, well at least that is better than bad judge of talent and fast to act :)

  24. theres oil in virginia says:

    Lowetide,

    “Falling out of the Tulupov tree”? Or “tiptoe-ing through the Tulupov”? Or maybe the Tulupov tiptoed through him!

    To help out the youngins:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiptoe_Through_the_Tulips

  25. bookje says:

    Woodguy,

    Ok, let’s seek consensus on the tenure of Tambellini. I will start low and we will work our way up. “Tambellini was better than Stalin.”

  26. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    One of the overlooked items (by many) about MacT is the sweeping changes he’s making. MBs has talked about what MacT wants, and it’s a different draft board than the one Tambellini presented them. Fascinating stuff, MacT has an enormous opportunity.

    Just don’t trade for Luongo!

    The uncertainty about how MacT values current NHLers scares the shit out of me.

    We have no history to look upon to know if MacT is a good trader of NHLers.

    Pins and needles until the draft.

  27. Ryan says:

    Yeah, nearly all looked bad at the time like Cogliano for a 2nd, Brodziak for a 4rth, and even a 3rd for Brown (whom Toronto picked up for a 5th iirc).

    There were a few positives. If you’re the type that likes to ruffle feathers, ask any Flames fan about the Staios deal. Also, trading Moreau was good.

  28. bookje says:

    Woodguy,

    Scares me too because he is not “slow to act”. I hope he is a genius. Some smart people can get too deep in the conversations in their head and make reaches that don’t work out. That makes you the Calgary Flames.

  29. jonrmcleod says:

    Maverick,

    To be fair, I think you should also include the draft picks acquired. But it’s still a terrible trade record.

    Edit: Actually Woodguy was the original poster of the players in/out trade history.

  30. Woodguy says:

    bookje:
    Woodguy,

    I agree that he was in charge.I think Lowe lost cred with Katz aftermaking Katz look foolish chasing Heatley.I also think Tambellini was more on board with the rebuild than Lowe .I don’t think it was Lowes decision to keep Tambellini so long, but it took a while for Katz to accept the scale of the disaster and hand the keys back to Lowe.

    I think they were waiting for MacT to be ready.

    I called MacT as the new Oiler GM over a year ago.

    Why?

    Because at the core of why Katz bought the Oilers was the desire that two of his best friends, Lowe and MacT could run a NHL team unfettered by the budget constraints of the EIG and that his hometown team could be restored to former glory.

    Everything else around what Katz has done (including the new arena) is aimed directly at that goal.

    He’s smart so he gets an arena deal that will give him great future cash flows and once again builds a company using other people’s money (Rexall was built mostly with McKesson money & UBS money. McKesson helped finance Rexall expansion in exchange for being their main wholesale supplier. Rexall later sold a group of companies to McKesson)

  31. Ryan says:

    There were other mistakes not mentioned like waiver misses–could have had Grabner for free).

    I’m not sure that Brodziak-McDonald-Cogliano wouldn’t make a pretty decent 3rd line when we’re having conversations about our bottom six woes.

  32. Woodguy says:

    bookje:
    Woodguy,

    Ok, let’s seek consensus on the tenure of Tambellini.I will start low and we will work our way up.“Tambellini was better than Stalin.”

    Tambellini’s dithering and indecision was slightly better than Neville Chamberlain

  33. Mr DeBakey says:

    One other guy ST let walk was Colin McDonald.
    The guy scores 42 goals in OKC and its “see ya later, fella”

    McDonald’s 5v5 Pts/60 this past season were better than all Oilers ‘ceptin’ Hall, Eberle, Yakupov.

  34. tcho says:

    Christ, but this is a depressing read. Or is that maddening? I’m just amazed at the amount of downgrades, or total write offs, we’ve had on defence since the cup run. Souray, still an NHL capable dman, for nothing. Visnovsky (still arguably a top 2 option) for (about to be) nothing. Pronger for Ladi. Spacek walked. Fistric about to walk for nada. And on and on.

    Stop the hemorrhaging, MacT. Please.

  35. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    bookje: every single player he acquired did worse than expected.

    I wouldn’t go quite that far.

    Belanger was a weird version of a bad bet. Too much money and term, but he seemed like a fair bet to make.

    Sutton and Potter were, I think, actually good moves. These are bottom of the roster moves that didn’t solve the puzzle, but I think they actually panned out pretty well.

  36. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: The uncertainty about how MacT values current NHLers scares the shit out of me.

    We have no history to look upon to know if MacT is a good trader of NHLers.

    Pins and needles until the draft.

    He knows what it is like to walk into a gunfight with a folded newspaper and the power of words. I think there will be missteps, but the big items should be golden.

    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2009/04/dont-let-go-the-coat.html

  37. Matt.N says:

    In the interest of fairness, the Staios trade was pretty clear win. I think this transaction is quite possibly the best thing he did as a GM. I believe the term is “Damning with faint praise.”

  38. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide,

    Man I hope you’re right.

    I like his brain too, but he’s still a neophyte NHL GM and guys like Sather and Lou line up 5 deep to dump their crap on the newbs.

    Given the everyone knows how eager he is to make changes, I wonder if he’s going to end up sending too much away to bring in what he wants?

    Not a dull moment this year I think.

  39. jonrmcleod says:

    The Tambellini era was indeed a dark one. In the area of asset procurement, I would say the positives were:

    He seemed to pick the right player at #1 overall.
    He acquired picks that turned into Marincin and Klefbom.
    He signed Justin Schultz.

    And, yes, it could be argued that Tambellini shouldn’t really get much credit for any of that.

  40. admiralmark says:

    Tambellini’s track record is an equal knock on the pro scouting dept. And yet it remains status Quo?! I suppose MacT is doing as much as quickly as he can but relying on these scouts for their input at such a critical moment does not instil any amount of confidence whatsoever. This area is the greatest area in need of a revamp imo.

  41. theres oil in virginia says:

    Woodguy:
    Lowetide,
    I like his brain too, but he’s still a neophyte NHL GM and guys like Sather and Lou line up 5 deep to dump their crap on the newbs.

    If MacT had kept Krueger, even after realizing that Krueger wasn’t the right coach for what he was trying to do, I would feel the same. But somebody with the gumption to say that coaching wasn’t the reason for all of the losing, and then turn around and fire the coach, certainly has the gumption to to back off guys like Sather and Lou. He’s going to do what he thinks is best, and it isn’t always going to work out, but he won’t get pushed around.

  42. bookje says:

    Jan Reimer?

  43. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    Rom: Even there he was slow to act. Eager hasn’t been right since falling out of the Tulupov tree and coach Krueger wasn’t using Hordichuk forever. Slow, slower, slowest. Every team in the NHL was more aggressive from 2008-13 than the Oilers.

    It was incredible. Incredible.

    I guess I could simply suggest he failed to recognize the problem once again (and probably was over-committed to his acquisitions).

    I just think “slow to act” sounds too much like the perspective of an outsider recognizing a problem at t-1 (say the Horcov injury) and seeing action at t-2 (the Smithson signing) and saying the gap is too long.

    How do we know that ST’s t-1 didn’t kick in until much closer to t-2?

    To me it looks like this:

    1. the hot-water tank in ST’s house breaks
    2. the basement is flooded, ST’s showers are curiously cold.
    3. house guests note the curious circumstances, remark to each other ST should do something about it, in fact should have a long time ago.
    4. time passes
    5. ST calls the repair man

    At what point do we think ST noted the problem?

    If at 1, he’s slow to act. If at 5 he’s just really, really bad at recognizing danger.

    I’m not convinced ST isn’t the latter.

  44. smellyglove says:

    Well, folks seemed to enjoy The Purge of 2010, Moreau, etc.

    Thanks for all you do LT, it is truly appreciated.

  45. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    admiralmark:
    Tambellini’s track record is an equal knock on the pro scouting dept. And yet it remains status Quo?! I suppose MacT is doing as much as quickly as he can but relying on these scouts for their input at such a critical moment does not instil any amount of confidence whatsoever. This area is the greatest area in need of a revamp imo.

    I’m still hoping Gare and Co. have to fight for their jobs under the new GM.

    MacT definitely shouldn’t have cleared house… but I think it’s a good idea for a new GM to force all his underlings to justify their value and to take note of the alternatives on the market. The status quo is not an option, but a blunt force exit strategy isn’t a good option either.

    theres oil in virginia: If MacT had kept Krueger, even after realizing that Krueger wasn’t the right coach for what he was trying to do, I would feel the same.But somebody with the gumption to say that coaching wasn’t the reason for all of the losing, and then turn around and fire the coach, certainly has the gumption to to back off guys like Sather and Lou.He’s going to do what he thinks is best, and it isn’t always going to work out, but he won’t get pushed around.

    I agree he’s not going to get “pushed around” but there is more than one way to skin a cat. Other GMs don’t need to railroad him to make him look the fool. Honey-talking a player will do.

  46. wheatnoil says:

    Woodguy: Tambellini’s dithering and indecision was slightly better than Neville Chamberlain

    Tambellini is a slightly worse judge of talent than Simon Cowell.

  47. wheatnoil says:

    Also, in fairness, I thought the Smid contract was pretty reasonable, and the two year Petry contract was pretty good too. I’m really searching for positives here. It’s been a rough few years.

  48. Woodguy says:

    theres oil in virginia: If MacT had kept Krueger, even after realizing that Krueger wasn’t the right coach for what he was trying to do, I would feel the same.But somebody with the gumption to say that coaching wasn’t the reason for all of the losing, and then turn around and fire the coach, certainly has the gumption to to back off guys like Sather and Lou.He’s going to do what he thinks is best, and it isn’t always going to work out, but he won’t get pushed around.

    I agree with the characterization of MacT and his decision to go with Eakins.

    I’m not sure that doesn’t mean he doesn’t get wrangled into paying too much for a player that he likes.

    We’ll see.

  49. Ca$h-Money! says:

    I don’t know why, but for me it’s the Smithson signing that pretty much sums up his whole tenure.

    We make the acquisition, and all I’m left with is…. why?

    Why now? Why Smithson? Why a fourth? Didn’t he know what better players were available, or what they were going for?

    It was just such a giant head-scratcher.

  50. Woodguy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I’m still hoping Gare and Co. have to fight for their jobs under the new GM.

    MacT definitely shouldn’t have cleared house… but I think it’s a good idea for a new GM to force all his underlings to justify their value and to take note of the alternatives on the market. The status quo is not an option, but a blunt force exit strategy isn’t a good option either.

    I agree he’s not going to get “pushed around” but there is more than one way to skin a cat. Other GMs don’t need to railroad him to make him look the fool. Honey-talking a player will do.

    Perhaps, like what LT mentioned about MacT giving the amateur scouts new parameters, he’ll give the pro scouts the same.

    It will be interesting to watch.

  51. G Money says:

    I think any assessment of Tambo has to be tempered with the fact that most of his tenure *was* a legitimate and acknowledged rebuild with the (mostly unstated) goal of sucking.

    So he did do a few things right – draft well at #1, not saddle the Oilers with too many albatross contracts for when the rebuild would likely end, and rebuild the badly broken farm team system.

    The part that adds up to a massive fail on his part is that he didn’t then (and maybe doesn’t now) understand that while its fine to wait patiently for the draft to build the high-end talent that you could never realistically get via FA or trade, a HUGE part of your job in the meantime becomes to build up the support players. By the time the high-end talent arrives and matures, ideally you should have your 3/4 lines already built and most of your future D well along in development.

    Neither is true for the Oilers, and as a result, the litany of failed trades (esp. Brodziak, Cogs, Viz, Rolie), guys who were and in most cases would still be valuable role players today becomes Tambo’s legacy.

  52. Gordies Elbow says:

    Woodguy: I thought you were basing it on getting Klef.

    I have no problem trading anyone if the return is better.

    I do not think that a first round pick and AHL Dman was adequate for 1.25 years of Penner.

    If Penner only had the rest of the 10/11 season, then it would have been a home run.

    In the last 1.75 years that Penner was an Oiler he scored 102pts in 144 games.

    Trading 1.25 years of a 0.708pts/gm 6’4″ LW for a mid-first and a nobody is not a win.

    Actually, I believe that as an asset, he was only under contract for the 19 games remaining in the season, and could have left as a UFA. He went “19gp – 2g – 4a – 6pts – 2pim”. As I recall, there were questions about his play/fitness (shocking, I know.)

    For 20-ish games of Penner, Klefbom, Zharkov, and Teubert is a pretty good return. The incoming items may be magic beans/lottery tickets, but Penner wouldn’t have helped Edmonton as much as Klefbom/Zharkov/Tuebert may.

  53. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy: Perhaps, like what LT mentioned about MacT giving the amateur scouts new parameters, he’ll give the pro scouts the same.

    It will be interesting to watch.

    It is entirely possible they were good scouts who were either ignored or given a bad set of marching orders.

    Either way, I’d sit them down and review their advice over their tenure with them and then ask how they would work under the new parameters before greenlighting their continued employment.

    very interesting indeed.

    (maybe MacT will squeeze more out of them, just like he did out of the Oilers he coached?)

  54. theres oil in virginia says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,
    Woodguy,

    Actually, regarding this side of things, I think he’s really not a newb. He’s been evaluating talent for most/all of his coaching career. I imagine that helps him to be able to assign a value to the player in question. Do we have any evidence we can point to regarding his ability in that area? Perhaps letting Hartski go is an indicator? Signing Belov? Other? I’m not sure.

  55. Gordies Elbow says:

    Gordies Elbow: Actually, I believe that as an asset, he was only under contract for the 19 games remaining in the season, and could have left as a UFA. He went “19gp – 2g – 4a – 6pts – 2pim”. As I recall, there were questions about his play/fitness (shocking, I know.)

    For 20-ish games of Penner,Klefbom, Zharkov, and Teubert is a pretty good return. The incoming items may be magic beans/lottery tickets, but Penner wouldn’t have helped Edmonton as much as Klefbom/Zharkov/Tuebert may.

    Sorry, looking through capgeek – his contract was ended in 2011-2012, not 2010-2011. That said – while Pancakes may help LA, I’m not sure that he would have had the same impact in Edmonton during that time. Edmonton was still unloading vets, and managed (by hook or by crook) to follow the Hall draft with RNH.

    Personally, I find it difficult to use the “best player in the trade” argument with picks and prospects. Jarred Smithson was a better player than an upcoming 4th, but I still think it was a poor deal.

  56. steveb12344 says:

    Gordies Elbow: Actually, I believe that as an asset, he was only under contract for the 19 games remaining in the season, and could have left as a UFA. He went “19gp – 2g – 4a – 6pts – 2pim”. As I recall, there were questions about his play/fitness (shocking, I know.)For 20-ish games of Penner, Klefbom, Zharkov, and Teubert is a pretty good return. The incoming items may be magic beans/lottery tickets, but Penner wouldn’t have helped Edmonton as much as Klefbom/Zharkov/Tuebert may.

    Yeah, as that season was winding down, with L.A. struggling to get to 8th place. Penner was being seen pretty much as a goat, and a dissapointment at the time.

    How much different would that trade have looked, as well as Penner’s fate as a UFA turned out had The Kings not qualified at the last minute, and gone on to win The Cup?

  57. VOR says:

    The problem with the attack on Steve Tambellini is that part of it was bad luck.

    Every GM has their bad moments – at least poor Steve didn’t trade Neal Broten for Dave Semenko or even worse trade Rod Langway for Cam Connor. Nope, that was Glen Sather. Slats is also the guy who thought he could save the career of Don Murdoch. Yeah right.

    On the other hand he is the guy who traded Murdoch for a retired AHL defenceman named Don Jackson and then talked Randy Gregg into returning from Japan and putting off the rest of his medical school to take a shot at the NHL. Anybody who doesn’t believe Sather got a little lucky when they turned into one of the best 3,4 D pairs in the NHL and way above average puck movers is addled. Then there was that fourth round pick in 1980 from Helsinki Finland who Slats described as a good pick up, going to be a fine checker. No luck at all in that. Oh wait, I forgot taking a flier in the 4th round in 1978 on the 2nd best player of the Canadian Olympic Hockey Team because after all the kid could skate. Yeah, no luck whatsoever.

    Meanwhile for ST, Lubo for Whitney looks terrible. Had Whitney not stepped in that rut and gone on for the rest of that season the way he started would we be having this conversation? God alone knows what happened to Eric Belanger but none of us, even those like myself who thought it was the wrong player and contract, believed for a moment he would tank like he did and then sulk about it. Eager gets cranked by Tulipov. Khabibulin (again wrong player, wrong contract) was made worse by injury and off ice issues.

    Was Tambellini too slow to act, absolutely. Did his pride get in the way? Certainly in the Souray situation. Did he gamble too much and give out bad contracts? Yes. However, he was made to look much worse by bad luck. Ironically, we joke about his amazing gift for winning the lottery but maybe all the bad luck he suffered elsewhere earned him and the Oilers fans those moments at the draft lottery.

    Also, he is the one who hired McGregor and so Eberle belongs to Tambellini as does MPS (though school is out there). While it might have been Rob Daum’s idea it was Tambellini’s execution that built the new Oilers’ development system. It was Tambellini who managed to get Eberle, Hall, Smid, Petry, and Dubnyk on decent if not great contracts. It was Tambellini who got Justin Schultz. It was, by all accounts, Tambo who fought with the scouts and insisted on Yakupov. I seem to remember here that being used to prove what a bad GM he was.

    Oh damn, maybe he wasn’t complete shit.

  58. Racki says:

    Any GM can tank a team. I’m glad that he at least cleaned out the majority of the bad contracts though. However I can’t believe that Khabibulin wasn’t mentioned anywhere in the disaster caused by Tambellini. I hate to pick on him specifically, because I think he’s a character guy, but that was probably the worst signing by Tambellini, for me. I actually was one of the people advocating to pick up Khabibulin, but a 3 year deal for a goalie that old, and at that salary was just mind numbing. Even Khabi and his agent were surprised…. the Oilers came in with a high offer… no negotiation needed.

    I would have rather re-signed Roloson for a year or two than Khabi for 3.

    Tambellini is a bit lucky of a GM because many people will excuse the mess he made because it led to us getting a shwack of great picks. But let’s face it, he was terrible at GM’ing. I think though that the “suck phase” of the rebuild lasted longer than he and Lowe intended, but it was always a safe excuse to use when things didn’t go right.

    In comes MacT… promising change…. can he live up to it? Who knows, but at least we know where the team stands now. No more half-assed attempts to turn the organization followed up with a “hey, we’re still in a rebuild!” excuse.

  59. Lowetide says:

    Surprisingly, there are differing views of Steve Tambellini as GM. That’s the great thing about being an Oilers fan: we can argue anything! :-)

  60. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    theres oil in virginia:
    Romulus Apotheosis,
    Woodguy,

    Actually, regarding this side of things, I think he’s really not a newb.He’s been evaluating talent for most/all of his coaching career.I imagine that helps him to be able to assign a value to the player in question.Do we have any evidence we can point to regarding his ability in that area?Perhaps letting Hartski go is an indicator?Signing Belov?Other?I’m not sure.

    I don’t disagree at all…

    BUT… value to a team/coach and value on the market aren’t alway in line with one another.

    (i.e., very valuable players can be had cheap and for good term and vice versa)

  61. Gordies Elbow says:

    Lowetide:
    Surprisingly, there are differing views of Steve Tambellini as GM. That’s the great thing about being an Oilers fan: we can argue anything!

    I disagree.

  62. wheatnoil says:

    Lowetide:
    Surprisingly, there are differing views of Steve Tambellini as GM. That’s the great thing about being an Oilers fan: we can argue anything!

    Well no one has yet to argue he’s a “good” GM… just whether he was “terrible” or “not great”.

  63. godot10 says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    One other guy ST let walk was Colin McDonald.
    The guy scores 42 goals in OKC and its “see ya later, fella”

    McDonald’s 5v5Pts/60 this past season were better than all Oilers ‘ceptin’ Hall, Eberle, Yakupov.

    Tambellini was not responsible for letting Colin McDonald walk. McDonald had shown nothing in Prendergast black hole of Springfield, and his ELC had expired.

    Tambellini signed him to an AHL contract for the 1st season in OKC, and a Tambellini hire Todd Nelson “fixed” McDonald. But once you are on an AHL contract, one becomes a UFA when it expires.

    The previous regime, Lowe and Prendergast, were responsible for the disaster in Springfield and the lack of timely development of prospects like Colin McDonald.

    One should blame Tambellini for the things he is responsible for, of which there are many. Not the things he was not responsible for.

    Colin McDonald has an NHL career because of Steve Tambellini, because unlike Kevin Prendergast, Tambellini cared about having a good AHL team.

  64. Woodguy says:

    Gordies Elbow: Sorry, looking through capgeek – his contract was ended in 2011-2012, not 2010-2011. That said – while Pancakes may help LA, I’m not sure that he would have had the same impact in Edmonton during that time. Edmonton was still unloading vets, and managed (by hook or by crook) to follow the Hall draft with RNH.

    Personally, I find it difficult to use the “best player in the trade” argument with picks and prospects. Jarred Smithson was a better player than an upcoming 4th, but I still think it was a poor deal.

    I never used the “best player in the trade” argument.

    My argument is:

    Trading 1.25 years of a 0.708pts/gm 6’4″ LW for a mid-first and a nobody is not a win.

  65. Woodguy says:

    VOR,

    It was Tambellini who got Justin Schultz. It was, by all accounts, Tambo who fought with the scouts and insisted on Yakupov. I seem to remember here that being used to prove what a bad GM he was.

    First off, you are right in that his luck ran cold and Belanger is good example of this.

    However most of his moves were bad before the ink was dry.

    Also,

    It was Tambellini who got Justin Schultz.

    The Oilers sent Lowe, MacTavish, Krueger and Hall to the meeting. Not a Tambo to be seen.

    It was, by all accounts, Tambo who fought with the scouts and insisted on Yakupov. I seem to remember here that being used to prove what a bad GM he was.

    That’s not what I hear. I hear it was MacT who stepped in.

    I can’t remember any commenter here said taking Yak proved he was a bad GM.

    In fact there was an audible sigh of relief.

    Can you point to the comments you are referring to?

  66. theres oil in virginia says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I don’t disagree at all…

    BUT… value to a team/coach and value on the market aren’t alway in line with one another.

    (i.e., very valuable players can be had cheap and for good term and vice versa)

    Yep. Hence the management part of GM. Finding good players cheap (Belov?) Not over-paying free agents. Not signing Gagner to a 1-year deal right before he has a “boxcar breakout” and almost hits unrestricted free agency. Can he be patient if he isn’t able to fill all the holes right away (how can he possibly fill all those holes?). I wonder what he expects this team to accomplish this coming year.

  67. OilClog says:

    Tambi lost that Penner trade, only guy we had at the time that was putting the puck in the net. And now what.. we so desperate for.. a 6’4 LW!

    Penner was the goat here, it’s a shame. If we had a competitive team, Penner would of been viewed differently. He sure has had some nice playoff success.

    Teubert.. Well he sits in up in the pressers.. as the extra defenceman.. for the minors.. oww

  68. WeridAl says:

    It has been confirmed that it was Pelss, my prayers go out to the Pelss family

    http://www.apollo.lv/zinas/noskaidrota-daugava-noslikusa-jauniesa-identitate-tas-ir-hokejists-pelss/572602

  69. OilClog says:

    Woodguy:
    VOR,

    It was Tambellini who got Justin Schultz. It was, by all accounts, Tambo who fought with the scouts and insisted on Yakupov. I seem to remember here that being used to prove what a bad GM he was.

    First off, you are right in that his luck ran cold and Belanger is good example of this.

    However most of his moves were bad before the ink was dry.

    Also,

    It was Tambellini who got Justin Schultz.

    The Oilers sent Lowe, MacTavish, Krueger and Hall to the meeting.Not a Tambo to be seen.

    It was, by all accounts, Tambo who fought with the scouts and insisted on Yakupov. I seem to remember here that being used to prove what a bad GM he was.

    That’s not what I hear.I hear it was MacT who stepped in.

    I can’t remember any commenter here said taking Yak proved he was a bad GM.

    In fact there was an audible sigh of relief.

    Can you point to the comments you are referring to?

    So what you’re saying is.. MacT isn’t going to be sending Yak anywhere.. PERFECT!

  70. gogliano says:

    I think VOR is right that luck plays a larger part than most people are willing to admit. I think Tambellini was a below average GM but if luck was on his side he’d still have his job. A healthy Whitney alone does wonders for this club. There are a lot of subpar GMs in this league who owe their reputation to a lucky break or two.

    Long term it might be good that Tambo rolled snakeeyes. Good GMs know how to prepare for bad luck and Tambo wasn’t a good GM. So in a few short years we got some remarkable young players and clarity about the GM.

    Might be a case where bad luck was for the best.

  71. Gordies Elbow says:

    Woodguy: I never used the “best player in the trade” argument.

    My argument is:

    Trading 1.25 years of a 0.708pts/gm 6’4″ LW for a mid-first and a nobody is not a win.

    I can’t say for certain that Penner would have scored 0.708pts/gm in Edmonton.

    I can say for certain that he’s 6’4″, has a clear addiction to pancakes, and was suspect #1 in the maple syrup theft in Quebec from the global Maple Syrup reserve.

    Any player that has had as many coaches call him out as Penner clearly has a few issues.

    What would a winning trade look like to you?

  72. hunter1909 says:

    Klowe+MacT+Bucky+Steve bloody Smith. Klowe-T blabbermouthing just like before about what they intend to do, firing the rubes up like they always do, amazing every non-Oiler fan who bothers to pay attention(not many of those probably).

    Bucky and Steve “dynasty” Smith, both permanent coaching fixtures impervious to coaching change after coaching change; they don’t know shit about anything much but they’re reputedly “player’s” kind of people, whateverthefuck that means.

    MacT’s big fat mouth has now promised: 2 top nine players; two top 4 defencemen, a new fourth line, and another goalie because Dubnyk’s never getting any respect until he wins the cup for another team.

    Also, booting Horcoff/Hemsky/Smyth(probably) off the team, with their entitlement in the face of forever losing culture.

    Of course he will fail, and leave the Oiler’s starting off the new season with gaping holes that half the readers of this blog will understand.

  73. leadfarmer says:

    While the criticism of Tambellini is justified, I think many people are ready to give MacT the Magnificent Bastard tag without him having accomplished anything. With Kevin “The Incompetent Bastard” Lowe still at the helm and the pro scouting department being marginal on their best day there is a chance in 4 years we’ll be calling Mac “the second coming of Millbury” You Bastard.

    Btw, I think getting a 2nd round pick for one of our mediocre midgets was not a bad trade. Accumulating all those midgets on the other hand was. Still cant believe someone thought having Gagner, POS, Cogliano, Nielson, and Brule on one team was going to work out.

  74. gd says:

    My sense is the hardest part of evaluating management in hockey is the management talent pool is so thin. Shero wins the GM of the year award for being smart enough to be in the Eastern Conference, have Crosby healthy for 75% of their games, and trade almost all of their draft picks for over the hill Vets. They traded Joe Morrow, who was their top prospect a year ago, because they discovered he didn’t learn any D fundementals in junior. I can’t imagine how much we would have ripped on the Oilers if that happened to them.

    ST was definitely in over his head, and my biggest concern is why did it take so long for Katz and Lowe to figure that out. While I wish they had done a more thorough search for a new GM, my biggest hope is that MacT and Eakins will at least be more energetic which will inspire the entire organization to work harder and smarter.

    My hope for the scouting and development departments is they have more direction and are more effectively evaluated, and rather than do a clean sweep, they hire a few young guys every year in these areas to freshen up the troops. We live in the city that has put more players in the NHL than any other in the world. There must be lots of young smart hockey minds in the area, who would love to work for the Oilers.

  75. rickithebear says:

    TOM Gilbert:
    EVEN:
    2.25GF @ 16.87 min -2G to league average
    2.94GA @ 16.87 -14G
    PK:
    7.61GA @2.58 -6G to league average.
    PP:
    4.93GF @ 2.43min -4G to league average
    Tom gilbert is a -26Goals per season versus average results in his defensive role.
    there is no way to make that GD incompetence up.

    N. Schultz
    Even:
    1.97GF @ 16.44 -8G to avg
    2.15 @ 16.44 +4G to average
    PK:
    4.92 @ 2.43 +4G to average.

    N. schultz is an even GD dman

    In what world is trading -26 GD dman for a even GD dman. and freeing up cap space a terrible trade.

    Plus in what fucking world is a -26 GD dman a GOOD dman.
    I LOL everytime i read, I miss Gilbert!
    -26 Goal differential

  76. PunjabiOil says:

    I would have rather re-signed Roloson for a year or two than Khabi for 3.

    It was actually 4 years, not 3.

    It was a buyers market for goalies that off-season. Never made any sense Tambellini was so against signing Roloson for 2 years (for half the price), but was willing to dish out a 4 year contract to an injury prone 36 year old.

    The guy just didn’t understand the market and asset management. The Smithson and Brown trades are just among other examples.

    Giving away Brodziak for peanuts and giving Brule a nice 2 year contract who benefited from first line ice time is another shining example.

    Inability to flush down players on the decline or clearly not NHL options. Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers, Ethan Moreau, Ryan Whitney, etc.

    Failing to trade a player like Souray who had requested a trade, when his performance was it his peak, who was later reduced to waivers. Failing to trade Sutton at 2012 deadline. Failing to trade Jones, Whitney, or other UFAs were were not expected to be brought back the following season.

    The Heatley trade offer also would have been a costly mistake

    Overpaid Dubnyk (based on credentials as at contract date, leverage), and didn’t get enough term for Petry and Gagner deals last year. The cap space that would have been useful down the road when the team is ready to contend. Stauffer suggesting Gagner will cost at least 4.75M and 4 years. Lovely. Pro-active GM’s in Ottawa and St. Louis locked up Turris and Perron,

    The list of clear wins over the years is short:
    - Staios deal
    - Hall contract
    - Grebeshkov trade
    - Penner trade

    It’s quite sad, actually.

  77. PunjabiOil says:

    I also didn’t mention that Tambellini admitted he had the choice of taking Anaheim’s 2012 2nd round or Anaheim’s 2013 2nd round pick.

    He chose the 2013 one as he wanted to spread the picks over the years.

    How did he land the job?

    This is on Katz. Instead of firing Lowe like he should have, he brought in a guy who was willing to partake in a unique GM relationship with which started in the first few years as Lowe final approving the decisions.

    Katz is EIG squared.

  78. Bank Shot says:

    Mactavish has been doing pro scouting for the Oilers for years.

    Remember the collapse in 06-07? The Oilers made a big deal out of telling us how MacT and Huddy packed up their bags and went on a heavy scouting mission during the playoffs.

    Mactavish had input into his rosters. Not total control, but lets not pretend he had zero sway in the room.

    Since the lockout, their undiscovered gems consist of Hejda, who Mactavish didn’t play until injuries forced his hand, and Glencross which looked like a favour from Howson. No one went to bat for Glencross in the offseason as he was ignored in the chase for bigger fish.

    Why do people expect anything to change? Its still the same crew that has had minimal success since the turn of the century.

  79. Ducey says:

    sliderule:
    Depressing topic.

    Tell me why we won those last two games when Nashville and flames were outanking us by playing the farm boys.

    He couldn’t even figure out how to finish what we thought he did best.

    Not sure its a valid criticism, but if it is then its on MacT. He was GM for the last 7 games.

  80. leadfarmer says:

    PunjabiOil,

    Considering that last years draft was not very strong and this years draft is considered one of the best, and we were up at the contract limit and have picked a lot of players in the draft the last 4 years, I think this is one of Tambellini’s better moves.

    No one expected Anaheim to play so well during the regular season this year.

  81. Ducey says:

    Todd Nelson is disappointed he didn’t get head coach job.

    Maybe they will bring him up as an assistant and gas Bucky.

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/06/15/todd-nelson-very-disappointed-not-to-be-hired-as-the-edmonton-oilers-head-coach/

  82. theres oil in virginia says:

    rickithebear:
    TOM Gilbert:
    EVEN:
    2.25GF @ 16.87 min-2G to league average
    2.94GA @ 16.87 -14G
    PK:
    7.61GA @2.58 -6G to league average.
    PP:
    4.93GF @ 2.43min -4G to league average
    Tom gilbert is a -26Goals per season versus average results inhis defensive role.
    there is no way to make that GD incompetence up.

    N. Schultz
    Even:
    1.97GF @ 16.44 -8G to avg
    2.15 @ 16.44 +4G to average
    PK:
    4.92 @ 2.43+4G to average.

    N. schultz is an even GD dman

    In what world is trading -26 GD dman for a even GD dman. and freeing up cap space a terrible trade.

    Plus in what fucking world is a -26 GD dman a GOOD dman.
    I LOL everytime i read, I miss Gilbert!
    -26 Goal differential

    Every time I watch Schultz get his shot blocked (which is to say, every time he shoots), I miss Gilbert. I’ll leave the fancy stats to those more qualified, but 0.5 million isn’t much cap space. You seem a little uptight about the issue.

  83. FastOil says:

    What makes me wonder about the Khabibulin signing is he had been in the league so long and they weren’t aware or didn’t care that he was having significant personal issues? What did they expect to happen?

    I find it hard to believe in a closed community that it wasn’t widely known. Referencing LT’s Klima piece at ON, I think Sather thought he could sort out Klima and his personal issues. But that was the 80′s, a different standard for health and fitness and far less knowledge about those things. No excuse these days.

    Same with Whitney. The rut in the ice was coming for him sooner or later. It wasn’t bad luck it was pretty much a foregone conclusion and a very low percentage bet to take that he would be healthy after those surgeries, or return to his previous level.

    Not smart and not looking out for the best interests of the team.

  84. Woodguy says:

    Gordies Elbow,

    I can’t say for certain that Penner would have scored 0.708pts/gm in Edmonton.

    You can be certain.

    Those were his points per game in his last two seasons in Edmonton before he was traded.

    At the time I though straight up for Voynov would be a good return.

  85. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Ducey:
    Todd Nelson is disappointed he didn’t get head coach job.

    Maybe they will bring him up as an assistant and gas Bucky.

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/06/15/todd-nelson-very-disappointed-not-to-be-hired-as-the-edmonton-oilers-head-coach/

    I’m guessing Nelson sees himself as a head coach now and will follow the path of Cooper and Eakins. I don’t think he accepts an assistant/associate position in the NHL.

  86. Mr DeBakey says:

    Tambellini signed him to an AHL contract for the 1st season in OKC, and a Tambellini hire Todd Nelson “fixed” McDonald. But once you are on an AHL contract, one becomes a UFA when it expires.

    You’re correct.

    http://www.coppernblue.com/2011/3/8/2019367/colin-macdonald

    “Copper & Blue: I hope so too. Do you get to speak to Tambellini very often? I know that this year you are under contract with the Barons, you’re not under the Oilers per se

    Colin McDonald: No, well, we had a couple of talks around, I’d say around Christmas time. Things just didn’t work out and I’m looking forward to July 1st, for free agency and hopefully something will come up and I can get that two way and just be given a chance. We haven’t talked too much, not to go into much detail but there has been some talk, we haven’t agreed on anything and that’s where that stands.”

    Things didn’t work out.

  87. vishcosity says:

    wheatnoil: Well no one has yet to argue he’s a “good” GM… just whether he was “terrible” or “not great”.

    Not sure I believe any of the following anymore, but to me its generally worthy of mention.

    If the parameters are set such that winning the SC is the goal, then surely the 30 30 29 pattern is a true fail of epic proportions.

    But if the parameters are set to achieve an outstanding roster when the new barn shows up, specifically without receiving league sanctions for tanking, then the last couple years have been an outstanding success and Tambo was an EXCELLENT GM. No NTC’s, no real albatross contracts signed, just a host of young talent and options moving forward.

    The only way Tambo looks inept is when the goal dial is understood to be set to contend now. Change the parameters of the question and suddenly he looks much more than competent with an equal only found in the Nordiques circa 1980. Ithough Shero and Tallon should really get honourable mentions).

  88. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Feaster’s comments on the draft/offseason.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=425511

    he wants centres and he’s looking to move up:

    “We have had extensive conversations with teams about moving up into the top five in the draft,” Feaster said. “We at least know which teams are willing to do something and if they are, what it would take to do that, and also which teams are not willing to do that.

    “The one thing I believe with the pick at six, we want to get a player who has the opportunity to come in here right now and compete for a job. We really like this draft. We think at 22 and 28, we’re going to be happy with the players who are still on the board.”

    I imagine MacT is having very similar conversations with other teams right now.

  89. coolwasabi says:

    Well, he was the catalyst for @FakeOilersGM
    That’s a positive right?

  90. Gordies Elbow says:

    Woodguy:
    Gordies Elbow,

    I can’t say for certain that Penner would have scored 0.708pts/gm in Edmonton.

    You can be certain.

    Those were his points per game in his last two seasons in Edmonton before he was traded.

    At the time I though straight up for Voynov would be a good return.

    I agree that Voyonov would have been a clear win. That said, I think that our disagreement relates to my opinion of Penner, more than that of what was returned.

    Edmonton’s roster was still on the way down, and the only place that Penner was consistent was in the buffet line.

    Penner was (and is) a complementary player who can be a great player, when he chooses to. Problem was, he rarely chooses to.

    He’s a 6’4″ player, true, but doesn’t bring it, every night. Or, every other night, for that matter (Which is why he’s heading to free agency, again.)

    I didn’t like the offer sheet originally, thought Edmonton gave up too much to get him, and was shocked that they could get three lottery tickets for him.

  91. prairieschooner says:

    Given the hoopla about Oilers not being big enough as a team. Was trading Cogs for a second that bad a deal?
    Was he ever going to be worth a 1st, even today?

  92. fifthcartel says:

    Tambellini probably should have traded Hemsky last year at the deadline, got whatever he could for Whitney (even though they were ‘pushing’ for the playoffs). The 4th for 10 games of Smithson is just classic Tambellini. There were so many waiver wire options.

    I believe MacT will be more aggressive in his moves. as we’ve already seen (fires Krueger, hires Eakins), so this will be a refreshing change. Maybe our centre t depth won’t have to resort to an out of position Ryan Smyth.

    One thing I wonder though, why not waive Peckham? He was clearly not going to play so why not give him the chance on getting picked up by the Isles or someone? Then use that roster spot on a center the team desperately needed.

  93. Captain Happy says:

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 11m

    While some minor contract details are still to be finalized, Alain Vigneault has an agreement to be NYR head coach.

  94. Captain Happy says:

    Separating what Lowe, Tambellini or MacT is responsible for in the Oilers sorry state is like trying to pick the white stuff out of chicken shit.

    At the end of the day, it’s all chicken shit.

    So far, MacT has talked a good fight, fired a coach he said he supported and hired one without an established track record while ignoring the available veteran coaches and his own AHL bench boss whose track record is pretty much equal to the guy he signed.

    He has also indicated he’s going to move Horcoff and Hemsky which, of course, does nothing to enhance whatever value he can extract for them since, with his public comments about them being beaten down, hardly is a ringing endorsement to anyone who might want those horrible contracts.

    Might want to hold off for a while on the enthusiasm.

  95. bookje says:

    Woodguy:
    Gordies Elbow,

    I can’t say for certain that Penner would have scored 0.708pts/gm in Edmonton.

    You can be certain.

    Those were his points per game in his last two seasons in Edmonton before he was traded.

    At the time I though straight up for Voynov would be a good return.

    THe thing with trades is that You also need to find someone else who thinks that. Clearly Penner comes with more than 0.708pts/gm and most of the rest were somehow a negative.

    I am pretty sure LA would have taken a refund if they could have gotten it.

  96. bookje says:

    Captain Happy,

    Vetran coaches tend to have worse winning records in each new job they take. Some might call them proven losers.

  97. bookje says:

    That should say ‘Veteran coaches’ – Many actually have better records in their second job, but almost none have a winning record in their third, fourth, fifth, etc. job.

  98. rickithebear says:

    TOIV:
    Take the GD for the bottom Playoff team and and add 26G that is the GD you have to make up with
    TOM gilbert plying EV, PP, PK on your team.
    you have to make that goal D up with two EV units, 1pp, and1PK unit slots still available.

    Can it be Done?

  99. Woodguy says:

    Captain Happy:
    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 11m

    While some minor contract details are still to be finalized, Alain Vigneault has an agreement to be NYR head coach.

    NYR and VAN switching coaches would be awesome.

    I really, really want Torts in VAN.

  100. theres oil in virginia says:

    rickithebear:
    TOIV:
    Take the GD for the bottom Playoff team and and add 26G that is the GD you have to make up with
    TOM gilbert plying EV, PP, PK on your team.
    you have to make that goal D up with two EV units, 1pp, and1PK unit slots still available.

    Can it be Done?

    I don’t understand this post (and that’s not intended to be insulting). However, I’m willing to accept the possibility that I’m wrong to value Gilbert over Schultz, or to value either of them at all. I’m not willing to look at cherry-picked stats that support one argument or the other, but I think an attempt to look at several stats to try to get a handle on this is worthwhile. I’m not experienced using behindthenet (or any other advanced stats pages), but I’ve paid attention enough to be able to understand the stats. I’ve looked at behindthenet briefly today, and I’ll try to look again soon. Feel free to hit me with some stats, and as soon as I can, I’ll do the same.

  101. tcho says:

    Woodguy,

    Agreed! I would love to see Torts in Van.

  102. art vandelay says:

    Because at the core of why Katz bought the Oilers was the desire that two of his best friends, Lowe and MacT could run a NHL team unfettered by the budget constraints of the EIG and that his hometown team could be restored to former glory.

    Uh. no……

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