A TIMELY HAPPENSTANCE?

Craig MacTavish passed a big test today: he made a decision on a bunch of guys and pared down the roster with one fell swoop–something the last two GMs were not good at doing. The decade of the 2000′s is full of guys who hung around for two long by plenty, this allows the Oilers to improve the roster and cut back on the clutter. Consider it doing his job.

  • Qualified: Sam Gagner, Magnus Paajarvi, Taylor Fedun
  • Qualified to retain rights: Teemu Hartikainen, Niko Hovinen, Antti Tyrvainen
  • Not Qualified: Theo Peckham, Colten Teubert, Alex Plante, Phil Cornet

MacT has basically taken 10 names from last year’s 50 man list and turned it into 3, while also retaining the trading rights to three more (the only one with real value is Hartikainen). This was inevitable, as the OKC Barons have a bunch of prospects and new arrivals on defense:

  • Prospects who are AHL players: Martin Marincin, Taylor Fedun, Brandon Davidson
  • New Arrivals: Martin Gernat, David Musil, possibly Oscar Klefbom and or Anton Belov
  • AHL types: Joey Leach, Nathan Deck

Leach is signed to a 2-way (AHL/ECHL) deal and will handle the physical side of the game that Plante and Teubert were employed to do last season. McCurdy put this all to bed a week ago, but I didn’t think the Oilers would cut loose Peckham, Teubert and Plante on the same day. MacT probably didn’t need to run it by anyone.

BONA FIDE? OILERS/BARONS DEPTH CHART (BLUE)

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  1. Jeff Petry
  2. Ladislav Smid
  3. Nick Schultz
  4. Justin Schultz
  5. Corey Potter
  6. Anton Belov
  7. Oscar Klefbom
  8. Martin Marincin
  9. Taylor Fedun
  10. Brandon Davidson
  11. Martin Gernat
  12. David Musil

I’m liking the Oilers future along the blue in a big way. Petry, Schultz the younger, Klefbom and Marincin is a nice young group and now they may be joined by Nurse, Gernat, Simpson and others in the next couple of seasons at the pro level. Now THIS is a pipeline!

Work to be done, but they’ve cleaned up the depth nicely; add in the two AHL signings and that’s just about a full crew. I’d think the Oilers will be sending away someone when they acquire the Coburn. And on that point, I see Vincent has signed in Philly. Oilers are on the hunt for Coburn and money’s too tight to mention in Philly. A timely happenstance? We wait. (photo by Rob Ferguson, all rights reserved).

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  1. sliderule says:

    LT
    Who is going to play center.

    Could Acton?Long in tooth but good on face-offs .

    The oilers blew it when they passed on Horvat.

  2. Lowetide says:

    Sliderule: Horvat was a target, I believe that. But they didn’t trade down and as it turned out anything past 9 would have been a disaser for them (if Horvat was the goal).

    I think this weekend increases the chances of Horcoff remaining for another year. Oilers have too many question marks at the position.

  3. slopitch says:

    I like keeping Horcoff and moving Hemsky for Smith (or basically adding a center).

    I also like acquiring Hartnell on the cheap right now.

  4. fifthcartel says:

    Philly seems much more likely to trade Coburn and his 4.5M salaary now that they have Lecavalier for the exact same amount.

  5. striatic says:

    Gagner will be around for next year at least, via arbitration.

    RNH will be back, eventually.

    i think all the Oilers have to do is sign a UFA C and Horcoff becomes expendable.

  6. striatic says:

    slopitch: I also like acquiring Hartnell on the cheap right now.

    there is no way Philly moves Hartnell.

  7. slopitch says:

    LT, I like our depth on D but we need that 3 for 1 to bump everyone down a slot. Jeff Petry is likely the worst #1 in the league. With Klefbom and Schultz there is some nice potential for improvement but with D, putting them in positions they cant handle tends to stall development.

  8. Lowetide says:

    slopitch:
    LT, I like our depth on D but we need that 3 for 1 to bump everyone down a slot.Jeff Petry is likely the worst #1 in the league.With Klefbom and Schultz there is some nice potential for improvement but with D, putting them in positions they cant handle tends to stall development.

    Agreed. If the Oilers could put Pronger-Smith at the top of that depth chart THEN we’re cooking with petrol. :-)

  9. slopitch says:

    striatic,

    Probably not. Worth a phone call. What if we offered Hemsky a pick and we cover 3 million of Hemsky’s salary. That gives Philly a year to let the cap go up.

    Pipe dream I’m sure.

  10. pboy says:

    I’m not sure why Philly would trade Coburn over one of their forwards? I would think that B Schenn or Couturier would be possible trade targets. One of those kids is too good to be a 4th liner.

  11. OilClog says:

    Much happier with Nurse over Horvat

    I would of kept Ted, it’s a mistake to let him walk.

  12. striatic says:

    pboy: I would think that B Schenn or Couturier would be possible trade targets.

    PHI needs to shed salary, not take it on.

    they won’t trade low paid guys.

  13. striatic says:

    Realistically Philly *Must Trade* one of Coburn, Meszaros, Voracek or Simmonds just to shed enough salary to sign a decent goalie to platoon with Mason.

  14. Rondo says:

    Philly has 2 similar centers Scott Laughton and Sean Couturier . I would be looking at 1 of them if I were the Oilers GM.

    Philly is strong at center weak at D

    Oilers are have D and weak at Center

  15. Lucinius says:

    Not sure why everyone puts Couturier in the trade stuff with Philly. He’s not getting traded; Philly loves him. He’s cheap and effective, and very highly regarded in the league. Nothing short of a king’s ransom gets him out of Philly.

  16. RexLibris says:

    I posted in the other thread that with Phialdelphia looking to shed cap space, this is the time for MacTavish to cash in on some of those long discussions he and Holmgren had and offer themselves as the saviour to their salary cap woes. It may take equal parts snake-oil salesman and hard-arse negotiation, but I think there is a fit here to be had.

    I’d target both Coburn and Couturier, and I think the Oilers would need to offer a very nice, affordable contract, picks and prospects to make it work. Any pick from 2014 is on the table and outside of Nugent-Hopkins, Yakupov and J. Schultz I think I’d listen.

  17. sliderule says:

    OilClog,

    I think Nurse from reports will be a very good player.

    At some point you have to draft for need if the prospects are close in ability

    We have one goalie and no good prospects.

    We have one center(injured),Gagner an rfa who can’t win face-offs or play defence.Horcoff and Belanger who will be bought out or traded,Lander is okcity bound.

    This team is just getting more unbalanced.

    Who is the top prospect in next lottery.The way they are going I may never see oil in playoffs

  18. Lowetide says:

    I wonder if the plan was to send Dubnyk to Philly in a deal after getting Schneider? It just seems to me there was another side to the Vancouver deal.

  19. Lowetide says:

    I also wonder if Smid being mentioned has an element of truth in it, but don’t want to be known as a guy who is down on Smid.

  20. pboy says:

    Too late.

  21. theres oil in virginia says:

    Lowetide,

    Nobody around here would ever accuse you of such a thing.

  22. Lowetide says:

    theres oil in virginia:
    Lowetide,

    Nobody around here would ever accuse you of such a thing.

    It’s that McCurdy. He’s always making wild claims.

  23. gr8one says:

    Lucinius,

    I keep wondering why people keep thinking Couturier would be traded either…because of his cheap contract he’d be among the LEAST likely to be traded…same with Loughton, if Philly is going to trade a young C, it’s most likely going to be B.Schenn IMHO, since he’s making north of $3m/per, Couturier and Loughton are both less than $1.5m.

    Hartnell would be nice too if not for the gawd awful term to his contract, does anyone here know if a player retires with term on his contract and it was a pre 35+ contract if it still disappears under the new CBA?

  24. speeds says:

    slopitch:
    I also like acquiring Hartnell on the cheap right now.

    I like the player, don’t want anything to do with the contract

  25. Jordan says:

    Lowetide: It’s that McCurdy. He’s always making wild claims.

    Seeing as he’s absent, and no other Smid boosters are rushing to his defense…

    J’ACCUSE!!!

    ;)

  26. Captain Happy says:

    Time to put to bed the notion that Philly is cap strapped and desperate.

    With Vinny on the payroll, they are $300K over the cap with a 24 man roster and NINE defensemen.

    When Pronger goes on LTIR they are close to $5M UNDER the cap with a 23 man roster.

    I’m sure they would like to shed Mezaros’ $4M cap hit but they don’t have to.

    Any trade with Holmgren is going to have to be a hockey trade and I can’t think of one thing the Flyers need from the Oilers that doesn’t involve one of the young guns.

    While the Flyers need to sign another goaltender, they have up $5M to pull that off.

  27. Captain Happy says:

    James Mirtle ‏@mirtle 5m

    Put together a list of top 25 NHL UFAs for tomorrow. No question weakest list I’ve seen. Who do you even put No. 1? Iginla?

  28. speeds says:

    I was looking into PHI’s cap situation, and it’s not nearly as bleak as some seem to think. Once Pronger goes on LTIR in the fall, and PHI is can reduce to 22-23 players on their roster, they’ll be under the cap even if they add a $3M goalie – and a G is the only player they have left to add.

    I can understand Holmgren’s hesitance to move Coburn. PHI could lose Timonen and Meszaros next summer, that would open up 10 mil in cap space but they still have to replace the players (prob easier with Meszaros if he doesn’t recover) and a good chunk of that money will go to Giroux’s raise.

    He could move Coburn or Hartnell now, but I can see a strong argument for waiting until next summer.

  29. speeds says:

    PHI’s issue is more likely to be the summer cap, ~70.7 mil, which AFAIK Pronger counts against, as do all one way contracts, even if they are guys making under 900K that will be sent to the minors and won’t count against the cap at that time.

  30. wheatnoil says:

    speeds:
    I waslooking into PHI’s cap situation, and it’s not nearly as bleak as some seem to think.Once Pronger goes on LTIR in the fall, and PHI is can reduce to 22-23 players on their roster, they’ll be under the cap even if they add a $3M goalie – and a G is the only player they have left to add.

    I can understand Holmgren’s hesitance to move Coburn.PHI could lose Timonen and Meszaros next summer, that would open up 10 mil in cap space but they still have to replace the players (prob easier with Meszaros if he doesn’t recover) and a good chunk of that money will go to Giroux’s raise.

    He could move Coburn or Hartnell now, but I can see a strong argument for waiting until next summer.

    The problem is that they still haven’t signed Gustafsson and he’s an RFA. I suspect they want to keep him. He was 3rd in CorsiRel on the team (among Defense with >20 games) last year while playing middle-of-the-road competition and tough zone starts (41.2%, 2nd hardest on the team behind Coburn). Plus he’s only 24, though he is a bit undersized at 5’10″. If Philly is up against the cap and don’t want to trade Coburn… could the Oilers offersheet Gustafsson?

  31. justDOit says:

    Can anyone say that they understand Lecavalier signing in Philly? From a hockey perspective? Sure there are a lot of hockey players I’d like to play with on that team, but there seems be a lot of drama surrounding it as well.

    Maybe the dollar$ were the deciding factor, we’ll never know, but from a hockey standpoint I think it’s a little crazy. The entire org seems a little unstable – starting with an owner who puts the snide in Snider.

  32. wheatnoil says:

    Sorry… correction, Gustafsson didn’t face middle of the road competition. His CorsiRel QoC was 5th (of 8) among D with greater than 20 games played, but it was actually quite similar to Coburn. In fact, Gustafsson only had slightly easier competition (but within range of Coburn) and slightly easier zone starts (but still within range of Coburn and quite tough) and actually had a better CorsiRel on the year than Coburn. Plus he’s 4 years younger and likely to be cheaper. Just doesn’t have the size on his side and not necessarily the shut-down guy the Oilers are looking for. He also doesn’t have a long track record.

  33. Captain Happy says:

    Sail On White Rock Wonder:

    http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=3598

    *make sure to read the comments…Tom Benjamin just nails it…

  34. bookje says:

    Lowetide: It’s that McCurdy. He’s always making wild claims.

    He’s crazy, he once said I defended Tambellini!

  35. Captain Happy says:

    justDOit:
    Can anyone say that they understand Lecavalier signing in Philly? From a hockey perspective? Sure there are a lot of hockey players I’d like to play with on that team, but there seems be a lot of drama surrounding it as well.

    Maybe the dollar$ were the deciding factor, we’ll never know, but from a hockey standpoint I think it’s a little crazy. The entire org seems a little unstable – starting with an owner who puts the snide in Snider.

    Snider owns the Flyers and Comcast.

    Comcast is all about ratings.

    Will Vinny boost ratings?

    Sure he will.

  36. speeds says:

    wheatnoil,

    Good point, I skipped past him.

    It’s the summer cap that trips them up now, and kind of forces them to do something relatively quickly, I think they’ll do what they can to move Meszaros (trade, waive, possibly even trade with a draft pick sweetener), and if that doesn’t work, maybe look at someone else.

  37. justDOit says:

    Captain Happy,

    I mean from Vinny’s perspective – why sign in Philly? He had his pick of pretty much any team.

  38. fifthcartel says:

    Philly still has to add a goaltender unless they want to go with Mason as the starter, and I doubt anyone takes on Mezaros’ salary.

  39. theres oil in virginia says:

    Captain Happy: Snider owns the Flyers and Comcast.

    So, Snider owns Comcast, and Comcast owns NBCUniversal, and NBC has the US TV rights for the NHL. One more reason to hate Philly.

  40. justDOit says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    Essentially, he negotiates with himself for broadcast rights.

  41. speeds says:

    Actually, I might be mistaken on the summer cap. It is ~70.7M, but I’d forgotten about the bonus overage IF it applies in summer, I don’t know if it does and haven’t read the section. Does anyone know?

  42. Lowetide says:

    Oilers get an A, tired for 2nd among Canadian teams in the draft

    http://www.torontosun.com/2013/07/02/jets-big-winners-of-draft-scouts-say

  43. raventalon40 says:

    wheatnoil: If Philly is up against the cap and don’t want to trade Coburn… could the Oilers offersheet Gustafsson?

    We could definitely use two guys by the name of “Erik Gustafsson” on this team.

  44. prairieschooner says:

    The Barons are making up for previous mistakes very quickly.
    Todd Nelson seems to be the right guy to nurture, season, mature and kick ass when required
    The string of Dmen coming through OKC will eliminate the need for Oiler scouts to explain themselves to the prowl car for hanging around 7-11′s at midnight on a Saturday night

  45. Captain Happy says:

    theres oil in virginia: So, Snider owns Comcast, and Comcast owns NBCUniversal, and NBC has the US TV rights for the NHL.One more reason to hate Philly.

    As of this morning, Comcast Spectacor (another Snider company) has become involved in the bid to buy the Phoenix Coyotes.

    Them getting involved is no doubt at the behest of Bettman in an effort to help him put the screws to the poor taxpayers in Glendale.

    Reminds me of the Duelling Banjoes scene in Deliverance with Jeremy Jacobs added to play standup bass.

  46. gr8one says:

    So, what exactly is wrong with Meszaros?

    Anyone have some fancy stats on him?

    To my eye he seems like he wouldn’t be too bad of a pickup, especially for what is rumored to be for free, or virtually free…he’s just 27 years old, is 6’2/220lbs, has a little bit of physicality, and some nice offense…inconsistency may be a bit of an issue, but at 27 years old isn’t that pretty much the sweet spot for defenseman to come of age and figure it all at the NHL level? his contract isn’t that bad either 4m cap hit for this year and next.

    Unless there are some terrible tells in his advanced stats it seems like a decent bet to make, what am I missing?

  47. Captain Happy says:

    Lowetide:
    Oilers get an A, tired for 2nd among Canadian teams in the draft

    http://www.torontosun.com/2013/07/02/jets-big-winners-of-draft-scouts-say

    There’s a very strong likelihood that the Jets absolutely owned that draft.

    They picked JC Lipon with the last pick in the 3rd round.

    6.0″ 180 with a mean streak.

    36G 89PTs +34 in 61GP for the Kamloops Blazers.

    Kid can play.

  48. Captain Happy says:

    fifthcartel:
    Philly still has to add a goaltender unless they want to go with Mason as the starter, and I doubt anyone takes on Mezaros’ salary.

    Tim Thomas for about $3M.

    Easy peasy.

  49. Bar_Qu says:

    Lowetide,

    That is just a terrible, terrible article. 5 min of thought at most. Doesn’t even address second round. Bleh.

    I’m glad I come here to read about the draft. Some substance in the discussion.

  50. theres oil in virginia says:

    Captain Happy: As of this morning, Comcast Spectacor (another Snider company)has become involved in the bid to buy the Phoenix Coyotes.

    Wiki-ality claims that Comcast Spectacor is the corporate owner of the Flyers. Pretty sure there’s a COI with them getting involved in ownership of the Coyotes.

  51. Rondo says:

    Captain Happy,

    I kinda laugh at these report cards, scouts do there best but sport writers know more. I wonder why they are not employed by the teams, clearly they are more knowledgeable .

  52. theres oil in virginia says:

    Captain Happy,

    It’s like an onion: Global Spectrum partners with Renaissance S&E to buy the Coyotes. Global Spectrum is owned by Comcast Spectacor. Comcast Spectacor owns the Flyers.

    FOUL! <–I'm crying foul.

  53. Captain Happy says:

    theres oil in virginia: Wiki-ality claims that Comcast Spectacor is the corporate owner of the Flyers.Pretty sure there’s a COI with them getting involved in ownership of the Coyotes.

    Comcast Spectacor is an arena management company that the prospective buyers of the Coyotes, RSE have enlisted to manage Jobing Arena on their behalf.

    I’m sure Bettman enlisted them to sway one or two votes from the rubes in Glendale.

    The fate of the Coyotes will be decided (LOL) in a city council meeting that starts in 20 minutes.

    I plan to watch so will report what happens.

    Great theatre.

  54. wheatnoil says:

    gr8one:
    So, what exactly is wrong with Meszaros?

    Anyone have some fancy stats on him?

    To my eye he seems like he wouldn’t be too bad of a pickup, especially for what is rumored to be for free, or virtually free…he’s just 27 years old, is 6’2/220lbs, has a little bit of physicality, and some nice offense…inconsistency may be a bit of an issue, butat 27 years old isn’t that pretty much the sweet spot for defenseman to come of age and figure it all at the NHL level? his contract isn’t that bad either 4m cap hit for this year and next.

    Unless there are some terrible tells in his advanced stats it seems like a decent bet to make, what am I missing?

    I thought about that too so I looked it up at the same time as Coburn and Gustafsson. The main problem with Meszaros is injury. He only played 11 games last season due to a shoulder injury and ended up having shoulder surgery (hmmm… maybe the Oilers SHOULD get him). With only 11 games this last season, it’s too small of a sample size to read much into (though for what it’s worth, he got destroyed in possession numbers).

    The year before he missed about 20 games of the regular season and some playoff games with a back injury leading to back surgery. In that season he was rather… meh. Of Defensemen with minimum 30 games played, he was 7/9 in quality of competition and had the 3rd easiest zone starts… so basically put in a position to succeed. His CorsiRel was 4/9, so fairly middle of the road. Essentially you’ve got a guy who’s coming off a shoulder injury, had two surgeries in the last year, and the last time he played more than half the season he played 2nd pairing even-strength ice-time in sheltered minutes and did “okay” in possession numbers. All for a $4 million cap hit.

  55. Ice Sage says:

    Captain Happy: Want to join the discussion? Feel free to contribute!

    RE: Teu Bad Teubert
    It’s fun to look back in anger and shame.
    Watched a replay of ‘that’ 2009 WJC game – Teubert was pretty decent and has lost a lot from then. With so many of these players, it’s the noggin – repeated concussions dumbs them down and I recall this being the case here. Oilers didn’t do their due diligence and the Kings fleeced ‘em good. Wish I could say that the favor was returned in the Smyth / Fraser fiasco but that’s not worked out too well either!

    It’s always a good idea to pick smart players and MacT at least can recognize this.

  56. gr8one says:

    wheatnoil,

    Fantastic answer, thank you. Perhaps not a solid bet after all. lol

  57. speeds says:

    I think, from asking around on HF, that PHI is able to spend over the summer cap by the amount of their performance bonuses, which would give them an extra 3 mil in room over the summer – more than enough to sign the guys they need. I’m not sure if PHI would want to spend above the cap this season, but they theoretically could

  58. bookje says:

    Ice Sage: RE: Teu Bad Teubert
    It’s fun to look back in anger and shame.
    Watched a replay of ‘that’ 2009 WJC game – Teubert was pretty decent and has lost a lot from then.With so many of these players, it’s the noggin – repeated concussions dumbs them down and I recall this being the case here.Oilers didn’t do their due diligence and the Kings fleeced ‘em good.Wish I could say that the favor was returned in the Smyth / Fraser fiasco but that’s not worked out too well either!

    It’s always a good idea to pick smart players and MacT at least can recognize this.

    You do realize that the first round pick was the value in the trade. Tuebery was a bit of a recovery project. You also realize that it was Dustin Penner who went the other way. The guy who the Kings sat on the bench for most of the season.

    I like Penner, but he’s clearly a head case that coaches would rather not have.

  59. Lois Lowe says:

    I am not sold on Nic Petan’s chances, he seems like this year’s Jordan Weal.

  60. speeds says:

    wheatnoil,

    Not only a 4 mil cap hit, but his deal was backloaded and he has a 5.5 mil actual salary next season.

  61. Woodguy says:

    Captain Happy: Snider owns the Flyers and Comcast.

    Comcast is all about ratings.

    Will Vinny boost ratings?

    Sure he will.

    Ed Snider is 80 and has more money than he knows what to do with.

    All he wants is to win another Cup before he dies and really doesn’t care how much money he needs to spend to do it.

  62. fifthcartel says:

    Captain Happy,

    I feel they will vote it in, even though they absolutely shouldn’t. Should be interesting to see though.

  63. Lucinius says:

    Watching the Glendale vote stuff via TSN.ca and one thing always strikes me with Americans; the pledge of allegiance stuff is something I find… weird.

  64. Captain Happy says:

    Woodguy: Ed Snider is 80 and has more money than he knows what to do with.

    All he wants is to win another Cup before he dies and really doesn’t care how much money he needs to spend to do it.

    Yep.

    As for Vinny…he wanted a comfortable landing spot with a shot at winning another cup.

    Jeebus, the Flyers have a lot of centres.

  65. Captain Happy says:

    fifthcartel:
    Captain Happy,

    I feel they will vote it in, even though they absolutely shouldn’t. Should be interesting to see though.

    Agree.

    Makes the Edmonton arena debate look like a good deal.

    Guaranteeing $15M/year for 15 years is breath taking.

  66. Undisclosed_Personal_Reasons says:

    Lowetide:
    THIS is interesting
    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/07/02/devan-dubnyk-surprised-by-edmonton-oilers-pursuit-of-other-goalies/

    Doobie should be ticked off. Kind of surprised he said almost as much.

    MacT’s focus on goalies and dissatisfaction with Dubnyk is a red flag.

  67. Lucinius says:

    Is it a bad sign when the councilors don’t know the rules for things? Because that’s what’s happening in this Glendale meeting.. two of them in particular seem to have the I.Q. of grape fruit.

  68. theres oil in virginia says:

    Lucinius:
    Watching the Glendale vote stuff via TSN.ca and one thing always strikes me with Americans; the pledge of allegiance stuff is something I find… weird.

    It’s called nationalism. It’s been taken to new heights here. It’s like a trance, you have to keep repeating it or the spell wears off.

  69. raventalon40 says:

    Wow… just looked at CapGeek and the Islanders have NOBODY signed, they don’t even have a goalie! (unless you count Kevin Poulin)

    I wonder if they will take Belanger, Eager, N Schultz off our hands?

    Better yet, we can trade Eager and Schultz for kids who have darted for the KHL. Ullstrom? Komarov? These are guys who we won’t care about losing on waivers if it comes to that and will be happy about having on the team if they actually make it past training camp. With the cap going down and having to sign UFAs to replace Khabibulin and Horcoff… that Nick Schultz salary looks pretty high.

  70. Woodguy says:

    Captain Happy:
    Time to put to bed the notion that Philly is cap strapped and desperate.

    With Vinny on the payroll, they are $300K over the cap with a 24 man roster and NINE defensemen.

    When Pronger goes on LTIR they are close to $5M UNDER the cap with a 23 man roster.

    I’m sure they would like to shed Mezaros’ $4M cap hit but they don’t have to.

    Any trade with Holmgren is going to have to be a hockey trade and I can’t think of one thing the Flyers need from the Oilers that doesn’t involve one of the young guns.

    While the Flyers need to sign another goaltender, they have up $5M to pull that off.

    Pronger has to be on the active roster for opening day in order to put him on LTIR.

    Will take some calisthenics to get under the cap, even if The Mad American signs for $3MM.

  71. Lucinius says:

    Even the lawyer for RSE is a blithering idiot.

  72. Lowetide says:

    Just breaking, Paul Lorieau passed away. RIP.

  73. Captain Happy says:

    Woodguy: Pronger has to be on the active roster for opening day in order to put him on LTIR.

    Will take some calisthenics to get under the cap, even if The Mad American signs for $3MM.

    They’ll be fine.

    You can go over the cap by 10% until training camp starts.

  74. Captain Happy says:

    Lowetide:
    Just breaking, Paul Lorieau passed away. RIP.

    Wow,

    Up there with the 80′s Oilers,

  75. Henry says:

    Undisclosed_Personal_Reasons: Doobie should be ticked off. Kind of surprised he said almost as much.

    MacT’s focus on goalies and dissatisfaction with Dubnyk is a red flag.

    Undisclosed_Personal_Reasons,

    MacT could be worried that Dubnyk is UFA after this year. I would be. Not sure I would handle it this way. The leaks of what they would pay etc were strange. Would make sense if they were from Vancouver’s side to drive up the market, but I’d tell them to f themselves once they came out.

  76. rich says:

    Lowetide:
    Just breaking, Paul Lorieau passed away. RIP.

    Very sorry to see this. He was first class all the way. RIP.

  77. Woodguy says:

    Captain Happy: They’ll be fine.

    You can go over the cap by 10% until training camp starts.

    Yes, but they need to be at the cap opening day with Pronger on the active roster.

    They don’t have to move Coburn, but they have to shed some salary.

    What they pay for their goalie is the big bogey now.

  78. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    Just breaking, Paul Lorieau passed away. RIP.

    I was at the San Jose game where Paul let the crowd sing the anthem.

    I still get shivers when I think about it.

    Nothing but class.

  79. B S says:

    Woodguy: I was at the San Jose game where Paul let the crowd sing the anthem.

    I still get shivers when I think about it.

    Nothing but class.

    Same, and I only saw it on TV, also remember the game (was against Anaheim) where he got the crowd singing the USA National Anthem. Loved the man because he sang for the crowd, not himself.

  80. godot10 says:

    I think Bell might still be a minority (~10%) owner of the Canadiens, along with being a 37.5% owner of MLSE. I believe the Thomson’s via Woodbridge may also have a minority ownership stake in Montreal, as well as being one of the major partners in Winnipeg.

  81. B S says:

    Captain Happy,

    Disagree with most of what you say, but thanks for the update on the Phoenix situation.

    And definitely agree with you on Winnipeg. Checked in a few times during the draft and couldn’t help but be impressed with players the Jets kept drafting. Calgary on the other hand always gave me a laugh. I hope they get more picks next year as well, maybe they’ll start drafting from Ringette leagues next.

  82. B S says:

    B S:
    Captain Happy,

    Disagree with most of what you say

    I meant in general (not as reference to your comment of Paul, he deserves to be in the rafters)

  83. Captain Happy says:

    B S:
    Captain Happy,

    Disagree with most of what you say, but thanks for the update on the Phoenix situation.

    And definitely agree with you on Winnipeg. Checked in a few times during the draft and couldn’t help but be impressed with players the Jets kept drafting. Calgary on the other hand always gave me a laugh. I hope they get more picks next year as well, maybe they’ll start drafting from Ringette leagues next.

    Good grief.

    Calgary walked away from the draft with Sean Monahan, Emile Poirier and Morgan Klimchuck.

    Porirer my be a bit of a reach but those are three solid prospects.

  84. Lowetide says:

    Joe Haggerty ‏@HackswithHaggs 8m

    Dont be surprised if Anton Khudobin winds up w/Edmonton Oilers. Could be good spot for him & will be hard for B’s to re-sign him #BruinsTalk

  85. jake70 says:

    Lol, the mayor of Glendale wants 2 more weeks to study the offer.

  86. lawrenharris says:

    How come all the guys on this site weeping and wailing about losing Gilbert are so strangely silent about getting him back now that he’s available? One or two peeps, that’s all..

  87. wheatnoil says:

    Lowetide:
    Joe Haggerty ‏@HackswithHaggs 8m

    Dont be surprised if Anton Khudobin winds up w/Edmonton Oilers. Could be good spot for him & will be hard for B’s to re-sign him #BruinsTalk

    Doesn’t have the longest track record to be a reliable back-up. On the other hand, he’s not an unreasonable long-term option either, given his continued improvement. Would be less threatening goalie acquisition than Schneider or Bernier for Dubnyk, but would still require him to be on his toes as Khudobin hasn’t necessarily reached his ceiling yet. I think he’s the best bet in a summer of poor UFA options.

    Got to think some other teams would be after him too though.

  88. Lowetide says:

    Gibby Gilbert? All over that.

  89. Captain Happy says:

    lawrenharris:
    How come all the guys on this site weeping and wailing about losing Gilbert are so strangely silent about getting him back now that he’s available? One or two peeps, that’s all..

    “lifestyle issues”

  90. Ribs says:

    I’d take Gilbert back, no problem.

  91. BONVIE says:

    Captain Happy,

    I would like him back might be the closest thing to a number one Dman we see for a few years till some of our D prospects procure into NHL players

  92. wheatnoil says:

    Gilbert? Yes please! Especially if he would could be signed for relatively cheap and the Oilers could trade away N. Schultz. Pick up Hunwick off waivers and acquire Coburn (for picks / prospects as Philly can’t take any salary) and things look like this:

    Coburn – Petry
    Smid -J. Schultz
    Hunwick – Gilbert
    Belov

    Add in Potter, Klefbom, Fedun, and Marincin as call-up options and I’d say the D looks good for next year.

    Edit: Just wanted to add that as I look at those pairings, I’d say that’s pretty good Defense-by-committee on a team without a clear #1 Defenseman.

  93. BONVIE says:

    I have heard the Islanders have bought out Rick Dipietro. He would make an excellent backup tandem to push Dubnyk. Seems to be reasonably healthy now, and is of very high character .

  94. Captain Happy says:

    BONVIE:
    Captain Happy,

    I would like him back might be the closest thing to a number one Dman we see for a few years till some of our D prospects procure into NHL players

    If Minnesota’s #7 D is your #1D you may have a problem.

  95. Ribs says:

    BONVIE:
    I have heard the Islanders have bought out Rick Dipietro. He would make an excellent backup tandem to push Dubnyk. Seems to be reasonably healthy now, and is of very high character .

    I don’t think he’d be pushing anyone right now. It sounds like his injuries took a big toll on him physically as well as mentally. He might need to step away from the game for a while.

  96. rickithebear says:

    Ribs:
    I’d take Gilbert back, no problem.

  97. BONVIE says:

    Dubnyk is a great guy just read the article from the journal, you would think that the right wing position and the starting goalie would be the last spot that the Oilers would think they would have to improve.

  98. gr8one says:

    Lowetide:
    Joe Haggerty ‏@HackswithHaggs 8m

    Dont be surprised if Anton Khudobin winds up w/Edmonton Oilers. Could be good spot for him & will be hard for B’s to re-sign him #BruinsTalk

    I knew you were going to see that and post it here.

  99. BONVIE says:

    Captain Happy,

    Lol number 7 D you come up with the most ridiculous statements. He was clearly the D that they used to stick their weaker inexperienced D.

  100. B S says:

    Captain Happy,

    Monohan is a good selection (not personally convinced he’s a better choice than Horvat or even Lazar, but would have been surprised if the Oil hadn’t taken him if he was available), Poirier was selected with Shinkaruk still on the table and left Zykov and Erne when they took Klimchuck, and then picked up a giant pylon in the 3rd round.

  101. Bad Seed says:

    B S,

    Then you’re the only one.

  102. Captain Happy says:

    BONVIE:
    Captain Happy,

    Lol number 7 D you come up with the most ridiculous statements. He was clearly the D that they used to stick their weaker inexperienced D.

    Gilbert played 19:19/game with the Wild.

    That was 4th among regulars.

    In the playoffs, he played 16:16/game.

    That indicates his coach thinks he’s a liability.

  103. 719 says:

    I am surprised no one has mentioned Jonathon Blum as a potential UFA target. He was not qualified by Nashville (which is very deep on Defence). Right hand shot, seems like an upgrade on the current bottom pair.

  104. rickithebear says:

    Smid Petry
    XXX-Gilbert
    XXX-J. schultz.

    the bottom two pairs give up 1GA/Gm each
    so we have 13 min of special teams and 17 min of 1st comp even only being able to give up .50GA/gm to make the playoffs.

    We need to limit j.schultz even play. cause he is one of the 10 worst ga dmen.
    you want to bring in the only oiler dman historically as bad at GA.

    You guys might not know this but you win by not giving up goals.

  105. Ribs says:

    Captain Happy: Gilbert played 19:19/game with the Wild.

    That was 4th among regulars.

    In the playoffs, he played 16:16/game.

    That indicates his coach thinks he’s a liability.

    So he’s their 7th best defenceman that played second pairing minutes. Got it.

  106. Captain Happy says:

    Ribs: So he’s their 7th best defenceman that played second pairing minutes. Got it.

    In the playoffs, he was their #5 defenseman playing 10 minutes less per game than rookie Jonas Brodin.

    If that translates into a #1D for you…fill yer boots.

    There is no surprise that Minny is considering a buyout.

  107. BONVIE says:

    Captain Happy,

    That would explain why he had less minuses than most of the other D in the playoffs.

  108. Ribs says:

    Captain Happy: In the playoffs, he was their #5 defenseman playing 10 minutes less per game than rookie Jonas Brodin.

    Well, how’d that work out for them?

    I ‘m not saying they’d do any better with Gilbert playing more minutes, but taking five games worth of ice time stats to prove the guy is horrible is a bit much.

  109. Captain Happy says:

    Ribs: Well, how’d that work out for them?

    I ‘m not saying they’d do any better with Gilbert playing more minutes, but taking five games worth of ice time stats to prove the guy is horrible is a bit much.

    I would trust his coach more than my knee jerk wishing and hoping.

    How about you?

  110. OilClog says:

    Bringing Gilbert back, will not happen.

    Blum, Hunwick, ect ect… Lots of options.

    This team will attract free agents.. That won’t be a problem, just which ones.

    Jeff Schultz is pretty much an Oiler right?

  111. stevezie says:

    I don’t see how Gilbert is a better pickup than Hunwick. I liked him when he was here and would welcome him back, but we’re not discussing him in a vaccum. Hunwick has a beter contract, is coming off a better year, and could be had for free off waivers.
    I think Jonathon Blum looks better than Corey Potter too, but that might be trickier to make work.

  112. raventalon40 says:

    Bring back the Grebs-Gilbert pairing!

  113. Captain Happy says:

    raventalon40:
    Bring back the Grebs-Gilbert pairing!

    That worked!

  114. Lois Lowe says:

    Glendale city council sure are long winded.

  115. Ribs says:

    Captain Happy: I would trust his coach more than my knee jerk wishing and hoping.
    How about you?

    Okay, but only the guy who coached in the playoffs. That other guy’s a bum.

  116. Chris says:

    Bring back Tom Gilbert. After we traded him we’ve kept looking for a right handed defenseman on the righ side of thirty whom is over six feet tall. Tom Gilbert is that guy. He will always have haters whom are the same people who got an errection every time Fistric managed to hit someone but he was an effective puck moving defenseman and we cannot have too many of those.

  117. Chris says:

    And the city of Glendale goes to show no matter how dumb the city of Edmonton council is, there is always someone dumber.

  118. fifthcartel says:

    Captain Happy,

    They passed it, but realistically they’re back in the same spot in two years.

  119. PunjabiOil says:

    RIP Paul.

  120. PunjabiOil says:

    Re: Dubnyk.

    If he solidifies himself as a #1 goalie, no chance he takes a hometown discount this time around after being so publicly disrespected. Again MacT with the loose lips – he didn’t acquire Bernier. Was there any need or purpose of telling the public (and Dubnyk) that he attempted to acquire him?

    A rookie GM learning on the job. Even if he’s technically smart, he has to learn that saying less, rather than more, is beneficial.

  121. rickithebear says:

    Chris:

    Yes you try to fill slots.

    but his level of suckage re GA makes you a non playoff team.

    yes he ticks lots of check marks.

    But
    GA that gets you in the Playoffs no,

    at what point do you understand a positive GD gets you in the playoffs.
    his 3.23 GA starts you at -21 GD versus the average Dman (0 GD)

    A d pair with justin shultz was -23 GD to start.
    that is -44 GD.

    that is a lot for EVGF, PPGF, PKGA to make up.

    how do you guys not get this simple fact!

  122. gcw_rocks says:

    PunjabiOil,

    I totally agree. MacT is burning bridges with dubnyk at the team’s peril. If dubnyk walks next summer the Oilers are totally screwed.

    MacT’s loose lips are headed towards opening the season with a captain that does not want to be on the team and all the media noise that goes with it and a disgruntled goalie. I can’t see any quality free agent signing up for MacY’s gong show without a massive overpay.

    What this team needed was experienced, decisive leadership. What it got was a loud mouthed rookie who doesn’t appear to be able to think about potential consequences of his actions. Very sad.

    I also cannot understand qualifying Nico when there is no evidence he is an NHL quality goalie, nor can I understand passing on Cornet. Who does he think it’s going to score for the barons this season?

  123. godot10 says:

    PunjabiOil:
    Re: Dubnyk.

    If he solidifies himself as a #1 goalie, no chance he takes a hometown discount this time around after being so publicly disrespected.Again MacT with the loose lips – he didn’t acquire Bernier.Was there any need or purpose of telling the public (and Dubnyk) that he attempted to acquire him?

    A rookie GM learning on the job.Even if he’s technically smart, he has to learn that saying less, rather than more, is beneficial.

    The comparables for a starting #1G are pretty easy. Howard, Mike Smith, Quick, Howard…even Bobrosky now.

    If Dubnyk plays well, 5x$5something plus or minus one year, plus or minus $500K. Not a whole lot to fight over. Dubnyk has never had the buzz associated with Bernier or Schneider, to attract other teams that would be willing to go Bryzgalov on him.

    If he is mediocre, MacT will continue to look for a goaltender.

    So basically, Dubnyk has to earn his contract this year. Can’t let in bad goals. Can’t have bad games. He has to be a rock, or MacT is changing course.

  124. Beaker says:

    rickithebear:
    Chris:

    Yes you try to fill slots.

    but his level of suckagere GA makes you a non playoff team.

    yes he ticks lots of check marks.

    But
    GA that gets you in the Playoffs no,

    at what pointdo you understand a positive GD gets you in the playoffs.
    his 3.23 GAstarts you at-21 GD versus the average Dman (0 GD)

    A d pair with justin shultz was-23 GD to start.
    that is -44 GD.

    that is a lot for EVGF, PPGF, PKGA to make up.

    how do you guys not get this simple fact!

    You know you’re coming off as really obnoxious right now? Sentences start with capital letters! How do you not get this simple fact! Why don’t you use commas correctly? It’s such a simple fact to know where they should go! Question marks go at the end of sentences that pose questions! SIMPLE FACT!

    P.S. I don’t actually care about your grammar, I’m hyperbolizing to make a point.

    P.P.S. No to Gilbert

  125. Ryan says:

    The Flyers are now over the cap with Lecavalier…

    Here Comes Coburn for the rights to Linus Omark, a 2014 4rth rounder, and a bag of pucks? :p

  126. russ99 says:

    OK, say we bring back Gilbert…

    Who are we going to pair with him?

    Who’s going to clean up all his defensive zone turnovers and bad exit passes, not to mention poor board play and constantly being burned one on one?

    I don’t mind such defensive zone mistakes from a rookie, but not a veteran making a good salary. Play him with Scultz of Klefbom and that pairing will be like a goal sieve. Pretty puck moving, though,..

    We potentially have 3 puck movers now with Schultz, Petry and Klefbom, do we really need one more, especially at the expense of defensive zone coverage?

  127. Ice Sage says:

    godot10: The comparables for a starting #1G are pretty easy.Howard, Mike Smith, Quick, Howard…even Bobrosky now.

    If Dubnyk plays well, 5x$5something plus or minus one year, plus or minus $500K.Not a whole lot to fight over.Dubnyk has never had the buzz associated with Bernier or Schneider, to attract other teams that would be willing to go Bryzgalov on him.

    If he is mediocre, MacT will continue to look for a goaltender.

    So basically, Dubnyk has to earn his contract this year.Can’t let in bad goals.Can’t have bad games.He has to be a rock, or MacT is changing course.

    Yes, and that’s incredibly motivating for goalies. DD hasn’t had much incentive for a few years. MacT has handled this well and is correct that DD has to be better.

  128. rickithebear says:

    Beaker: You know you’re coming off as really obnoxious right now? Sentences start with capital letters! How do you not get this simple fact!

    i have office Admin who correct any important documents.

    GD Obnoxious! Yes I try to ram my points down!
    Mact ‘s “stone up a hill rolling over you”is a good analogy.
    CORSI arrogance?

    Goals over/under average for even, pp, pk makes a players influence measurable very simple.
    3.00+EVGA makes it pretty hard to be a positive GD team. (make the playoffs)
    Justin Schultz and Tom gilbert cannot handle 3rd line talent defensively.Tthat is a very bad thing!

  129. lawrenharris says:

    russ99:
    OK, say we bring back Gilbert…

    Who are we going to pair with him?

    Who’s going to clean up all his defensive zone turnovers and bad exit passes, not to mention poor board play and constantly being burned one on one?

    I don’t mind such defensive zone mistakes from a rookie, but not a veteran making a good salary.Play him with Scultz of Klefbom and that pairing will be like a goal sieve. Pretty puck moving, though,..

    We potentially have 3 puck movers now with Schultz, Petry and Klefbom, do we really need one more, especially at the expense of defensive zone coverage?

    Play him with Nick Schulz, a pairing suggested as ideal at the time of the original trade. Not happy with automatic assumptions that Klefbom is of course going to slot right in.

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