BARONS SIGN FYTEN

The OKC Barons have signed former Lethbridge Hurricane Austin Fyten. He was ECHL rookie of the month for January 2013 and enjoyed a strong season with Idaho.

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It’s a one-way AHL only deal, according to twitter.

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  1. jfry says:

    Has anyone heard what Mact thinks about our drafted kids (pitlick, martingale, Hamilton, etc). Seems like they won’t be given top nine as a draft rite.

  2. gr8one says:

    Great hockey name, if nothing else.

  3. Jordan says:

    Lowetide,

    That’s quite the read. Not sure what to say – different ideas about what leads to wins in the game of hockey.

  4. gr8one says:

    Lowetide,

    Wow.

  5. Lowetide says:

    Jordan:
    Lowetide,

    That’s quite the read.Not sure what to say – different ideas about what leads to wins in the game of hockey.

    He’s crazy.

  6. gr8one says:

    Lowetide,

    Certifiably, bat shit.

  7. striatic says:

    Lowetide: Please read this, it’s incredible.

    i do think there should be an effort to actually stopwatch time of possession, but i’m not sure the leafs are doing that, since he says in the interview they only track “Scoring Chances” and “Blame for Defensive Breakdowns”.

  8. wheatnoil says:

    Lowetide: He’s crazy.

    “The only time we would change the strategy is if we’re down a goal – we’re not idiots – if we’re down a goal, we will try to encourage some shots, because of course we are going to change the tactic.”

    I’m confused… so, when you’re most desperate for a goal, you say “get more shots”. That would imply that the “get more shots” formula is more likely to get you a goal than the “hold on to the puck for 40 seconds in the zone while you change lines three times to get one quality shot”. So… shouldn’t one do the “get more shots” ALL of the time?

    The question this does logically lead to is: Did the Maple Leafs get more scoring chances than the opposition last season, even though they were out-shot? If the answer is ‘yes’, then he may have a valid point. I suspect the answer is ‘no’, but I don’t know for sure. Anyone tracking that data? (Acknowledging that scoring chances and corsi are heavily correlated.)

  9. "Steve Smith" says:

    Just by way of receiving retainer from the devil:

    I think that we all recognize that shot differential is an imperfect proxy for possession, so it’s not inherently batshit to say that a team with a brutal shot differential maybe didn’t get killed in terms of actual possession. I don’t watch the Leafs much – do we know for sure that shot differential accurately reflects their possession?

  10. Lowetide says:

    40 seconds is forever. Absolutely forever.

  11. "Steve Smith" says:

    Lowetide:
    40 seconds is forever. Absolutely forever.

    Tell me about it.

  12. "Steve Smith" says:

    Related to my post above, did you know that Taylor Chorney has played only 61 NHL games (59 for the Oilers)? Doesn’t it seem like approximately ten times as many? And doesn’t it seem like each of those games last approximately eight hours?

  13. Ribs says:

    Let’s look at the team that shot the puck three times. They shot the puck three times but not one shot was a real threat. Our goalie wasn’t worried, I wasn’t worried from the bench, and maybe you weren’t worried in the top corner of the balcony.

    Do you remember, in that game we were up 4-1 and they scored with 11 minutes left to to go, and they scored on a pass that was blindly sent to the front of the net? The guy knew Horton was there, but he kind of just throws it and the puck goes through about three people, including right past Reimer’s stick, and past one of our defencemen’s skates.

    No worries. I’m sure it will turn out just fine.

  14. Lowetide says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Related to my post above, did you know that Taylor Chorney has played only 61 NHL games (59 for the Oilers)?Doesn’t it seem like approximately ten times as many?And doesn’t it seem like each of those games last approximately eight hours?

    Chorney could skate so bloody well but he couldn’t really play defense. Wasn’t as good a passer as he should have been either. Sometimes those guys surprise you later on when they learn to play in the NHL, but Chorney hasn’t so far.

    Let’s blame hockey sense.

  15. RexLibris says:

    Fyten’s shooting percentage, at least according to my K-Mart blue light special math skills, is around 13%. Looking at what MacTavish has said thus far, the SOG and goals, with some attention to +/- (because we don’t have Corsi in the stats line), seem to be areas to look at.

    As for the Leafs article, LT, its simple. The Leafs are such an infinitely superior team that, in order to save their opponent from humiliation, they insist on a 40 second possession time.

    Seriously though, that is some pretty absurd logic at play there. The whole thing is so dependent on a number of circumstances that are under the control of the opposition – allowing three shots in 30 second on your own net. I understand the “bend like a reed in the wind” philosophy from which it springs, and the boxing comparable would be the classic rope-a-dope. The problem is, what if the other team scores one of those chances? What if your defense isn’t strong enough to calmly brush aside those shots/chances? What if the goaltender isn’t unfazed by the traffic?

    And attacking the half-wall is an obvious stratagem. That is what some of those players want you to do because it commits a player to the man on the PK, and if the opponent is good enough he can then string a pass to an open winger on the opposite side of the ice or up to the man on the blueline to redistribute/shoot to take advantage of the few seconds of vacated space.

    Not surprised that Wilson and Carlyle feel like geniuses for coming up with this. Didn’t Ron Wilson once take credit for having invented hockey? Or was that Al Gore?

  16. rickithebear says:

    -Can belov handle the pressure and speed?
    therefore he is behind one of the 5 worst Dmen in depth Chart.

    -then a leafs coach tlks pressure and aggression.
    WOW!
    BAT SHIT CRAZY!

    which is it boys!

    Narrative to suit you !

    or

    Hipocrite Kool Aid!!

  17. "Steve Smith" says:

    rickithebear,

    Ricki, you might need to repeat another fifty or a hundred times that Justin Schultz is one of the five worst defencemen in the NHL; I’m not sure that it’s become true yet.

  18. "Steve Smith" says:

    rickithebear,

    ‘Atta boy.

  19. RexLibris says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    rickithebear,

    ‘Atta boy.

    This comment seems strangely non-sequitur now.

    On another note, anyone else here really curious to see if Lamoriello can pull the Devils out of their impending nose dive?

    Personally, I’d love to see the Devils and perhaps the Sabres both go head first into a rebuild alongside the Flames just to compare how the management groups from each team do against each other.

  20. "Steve Smith" says:

    RexLibris: This comment seems strangely non-sequitur now.

    Seeing me post a non-sequitur is “strange” all of a sudden?

    As Keith Moon once remarked, “Wait a minute – I’m not even in the Rolling Stones.

  21. wheatnoil says:

    “Steve Smith”:

    I think that we all recognize that shot differential is an imperfect proxy for possession, so it’s not inherently batshit to say that a team with a brutal shot differential maybe didn’t get killed in terms of actual possession.I don’t watch the Leafs much – do we know for sure that shot differential accurately reflects their possession?

    Well Cronin’s argument seems to be that time of possession isn’t important and that quality of possession is more important. How he defines quality of possession seems to be by number of scoring chances. That’s why I think the question is: did the Maple Leafs shot differential accurately reflect their scoring chance differential?

  22. Bank Shot says:

    I see the Toronto coach just basically repeating that scoring chances are a better indicator of what wins games then shot totals.

    That seems pretty reasonable to me. Were the Leafs outchanced last season? If we had the scoring chance numbers we would know if he is out to lunch, lying, or speaking the truth.

  23. RexLibris says:

    I’m all for logging scoring chances ahead of shots, thinking of David Staples’ work in that area specifically, but the argument is built upon so many presumptions that are outside of the control of your players that it reads almost like some sort of unholy love-child of fatalism and arrogance.

    Also, I believe the question is properly phrased thus: is our Maple Leafs’ learning?

  24. "Steve Smith" says:

    wheatnoil,

    Well, he specifically denied that the Leafs were “outpossessed” last season, so I don’t think he’s talking exclusively about “quality of possession”. But maybe I’m misreading him.

    And as I say, I’m sort of playing devil’s advocate here – I’m certainly not convinced that he isn’t a moron, but I’m not totally closed to the possibility.

  25. RexLibris says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    wheatnoil,

    Well, he specifically denied that the Leafs were “outpossessed” last season, so I don’t think he’s talking exclusively about “quality of possession”.But maybe I’m misreading him.

    And as I say, I’m sort of playing devil’s advocate here – I’m certainly not convinced that he isn’t a moron, but I’m not totally closed to the possibility.

    So could we call their possession stat the Linda Blair? “See the Leafs game last night?” “Yep, they got killed on Corsi but had a dominant Blair line by game’s end.”

  26. Lowetide says:

    Their 5×5 shots per game 26.5/33.7, meaning that they were outshot a lot in 12-13 (EDM was 26.9/32.2) Toronto’s save percentage was .919, while their opponents was .890. Is that typical? No. Sustainable? No.

    The Oilers btw had a save percentage of .922 and an opposition SP of .917. So they got screwed on the goaltending, or Toronto’s sights are better.

    http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_team_statistics.php?c=0+1+2+3+4+13+14+15+16+17+18+19+20+21+22&ds=22

  27. wheatnoil says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    wheatnoil,

    And as I say, I’m sort of playing devil’s advocate here – I’m certainly not convinced that he isn’t a moron, but I’m not totally closed to the possibility.

    RexLibris:
    I’m all for logging scoring chances ahead of shots, thinking of David Staples’ work in that area specifically, but the argument is built upon so many presumptions that are outside of the control of your players that it reads almost like some sort of unholy love-child of fatalism and arrogance.

    I think we’re all in the same boat. My response to reading the article was something along the lines of: “That doesn’t make any sense.” This led to, “He’s probably not an idiot… so how I can frame this in a way that makes sense and see if I can convince myself that he’s right.”

    So far, I’m failing.

  28. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    Their 5×5 shots per game 26.5/33.7, meaning that they were outshot a lot in 12-13 (EDM was 26.9/32.2) Toronto’s save percentage was .919, while their opponents was .890. Is that typical? No. Sustainable? No.

    The Oilers btw had a save percentage of .922 and an opposition SP of .917. So they got screwed on the goaltending, or Toronto’s sights are better.

    http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_team_statistics.php?c=0+1+2+3+4+13+14+15+16+17+18+19+20+21+22&ds=22

    Granted, and had the season gone for a full 82 both teams would have ended up drafting inside the top ten as opposed to just the Oilers. I suspect that some Leafs fans will look back at their playoff experience from 2013 and say that that mirage really took the team (further) off-course.

  29. RexLibris says:

    wheatnoil:
    I think we’re all in the same boat. My response to reading the article was something along the lines of: “That doesn’t make any sense.” This led to, “He’s probably not an idiot… so how I can frame this in a way that makes sense and see if I can convince myself that he’s right.”

    So far, I’m failing.

    If Rogers cut you a cheque to work for the Leafs, you’d find a way to make the numbers work. Cognitive dissonance, like the force, can be a powerful ally.

  30. G Money says:

    Lowetide:
    Please read this, it’s incredible.

    http://mapleleafshotstove.com/2013/07/17/an-in-depth-chat-with-associate-coach-of-the-leafs-greg-cronin/

    It is possible that he’s a moron or batshit crazy or both …

    But the way I read this, it is 100% rationalization. To wit:

    - We got badly outshot
    - We did OK in the playoffs all considered
    - Our coach is a genius

    Ergo:

    - “We meant to do that”

  31. Lowetide says:

    G: lol. NOW, the trick is doing it again! I expect the Oilers experience is more typical for these calibre of teams.

  32. RexLibris says:

    G Money: It is possible that he’s a moron or batshit crazy or both …

    But the way I read this, it is 100% rationalization.To wit:

    - We got badly outshot
    - We did OK in the playoffs all considered
    - Our coach is a genius

    Ergo:

    - “We meant to do that”

    So, like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv-2XolFacY

  33. Kris11 says:

    There is no place for Fyten in the NHL.

  34. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    The crazy thing about that Leafs interview IMO isn’t that I (and most other people who look to stats even marginally) simply think he’s wrong…

    It’s the near chip-on-his-shoulders level of pig-headedness. This guy refuses to learn, adjust, give new ideas a fair hearing, etc. He’s very dedicated to the eternal perfection of whatever he has done.

    I’d love to hear his wife explain how that kind of strident attitude goes over in the house.

    W: Jeanie said the new Gain works really well on her whites.
    H: We are a Tide Family!

  35. Kris11 says:

    That TO article was crack-smokin crazy. The guy sounds like he lives in a town where even the mayor smokes crack. Oh wait…

  36. wheatnoil says:

    Kris11:
    There is no place for Fyten in the NHL.

    Hey! Them’s Fyten words!

  37. VanOil says:

    I have been working on gambling strategies based on the Vollman sledge hammer. I have now come up with one. Bet against the Leafs. It is simple and it brings me joy. idiots.

  38. Racki says:

    All I read in that article with Greg Cronin was “Suck it, Corsi!!”

    In all seriousness, I don’t think it’s crazy. Different philosophy than what a lot of peeps out there think, but I do get his reasoning that not all shots are equal. Most hockey minds seem to figure you should pepper the net… like the old “100% of the shots you don’t take” Gretzky quote. But I can see the case for quality vs. quantity. I just know too from watching the Oilers that sometimes they pass the crap out of the puck to the point where they over think ever play, it seems. Maybe if they had the philosophy to fire away when you’re “within the dots” more chances would go in.

    But ya.. not a totally radical way of thinking. Just goes against everything people in the blogosphere stand for (don’t you dare denounce Corsi!). I personally don’t put a tonne of stock into Corsi (some.. just not as much as most people do), but I’m definitely not saying this guy is right. But I do get that his stubbornness is likely going to lead him nowhere fast.

  39. rickithebear says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    rickithebear,

    Ricki, you might need to repeat another fifty or a hundred times that Justin Schultz is one of the five worst defencemen in the NHL; I’m not sure that it’s become true yet.

    Steve Corsi is important!
    Justin schultz cost us the playoffs!
    You can not say Player X is lower on the depth chart cause of speed…..
    Then call a coach nuts cause the expect better speed and …..
    Paint the party line!

    We had the third best 1st comp EVGA d pair in the Game in Smid and petry.
    Binary yes no in the net stats.
    we ran a shared system of 5 2/3rd comp Dmen.
    fistric and potter were in the 10 best GA in the game.
    Schultz, Whitney, J. schultz were awful.

    J. schultz while 6’2″ could not handle the physical play down low.
    His frail frame was dominated in the kill zone.
    though i believe it was sum of the pairs.

    When paired with one of the 7 best defensive lane disruption dmen in the game he was a 1GF:1GA ratio Dman. A bit of a sign.

    Dman of the year in the A.
    Were he was highly effective with A dman top 10 in +/-.
    HE cannot go back to the A.
    He needs to play with a good +/- Dman with size and equal Even breakout pass ability.

    The best Dman in the KHL is a better resume than the best Dman in a lower league,. who could not handle his 1st nhl season based largely on size.

    we bring in one of the highly successful 2nd comp Dmen to pair with one of the 7 best defensive dmen Petry or Belov KHL ‘s best.

    J. schultz will learn the defensive game from a similiar body frame D like Ference.
    So while they allow the none obstructed entries along the side boards and top of blue entry cause of a deeper Ozone than Oly ice. the box in front of the net are the same in all leagues.
    and the pre 05-06 lockout game exists in all. in the box area.
    Belov 6’4″ 215 top 10 +/- KHL
    LKlefbom 6’3″ 215 top +/- in SEL @ injury
    Smid 6’3″ 210
    Potter 6’3″ 205 top 3 EVGA in game.
    N schultz 6’2″ 205
    Petry 6’3″ 200
    Larsen 6’0″ 190
    A. ference 5’11″ 190 lb
    J. schultz 6’2″ 185

    So when i list pairs i think Box defence, cycle break-up, Outlet Pass, calm zone play.
    And the last time they dipped in Erope hedja.
    Smid-Petry
    ference-Belov
    Klefbolm-J, schultz
    N. schultz-potter

  40. böökje says:

    “Steve Smith”: hit to say that a team with a brutal shot differential maybe didn’t get killed in terms of actual possession. I don’t watch th

    You some 8797 people have viewed that 3:45 shift on Youtube, assuming that they all watched the whole thing, that is 549.8 hours of viewing. Somehow that just seems like a lot of nothing getting done in both the shift and the real world…

  41. böökje says:

    rickithebear: Steve Corsi is important!

    I think Steve Corsi is a greedy bastard who won’t share the puck with anyone and who is very critical of grammatical mistakes.

  42. böökje says:

    RexLibris: This comment seems strangely non-sequitur now.

    On another note, anyone else here really curious to see if Lamoriello can pull the Devils out of their impending nose dive?

    Personally, I’d love to see the Devils and perhaps the Sabres both go head first into a rebuild alongside the Flames just to compare how the management groups from each team do against each other.

    I think Lamoriello is about 5 minutes away from declaring himself GM for Life and ordering that New Jersey be renamed Lamorielloville.

  43. böökje says:

    I think his argument of quality vs quantity is easily defended IF the NHL were a place where a large number of shots on net consisted of a forward crossing the red line and lobbing it towards the unscreened goalie.

    The fact that this does not occur and probably 75% of the shots directed at the net have legitimate potential to become a scoring chance (due to a rebound, redirection, freak chance, etc) invalidates it.

  44. regwald says:

    My take on the article is that the Leafs are significantly discounting a couple of “costs” of being outshot. If Boston spends 40 seconds taking 3 shots on the Leafs, they have to defend those 3 shots. That means the goalie is dialed in and focused, moving, making saves. The Leafs players all have to pursue the puck burning energy.

    So, yes, lower percentage shots may result in it being less likely a goal scored versus a single shot delivered from the high percentage area of the slot. But, how much team energy is burned to get that one shot ?

    Even if the Leafs have puck possession more than the opposition, but are coached to wait for the right shot it is still a fools game. How many years have we said the Oilers pass the puck around too much and don’t take enough shots waiting for the perfect play ? maybe it’s been ingrained by history of coaching, but waiting for to take the perfect shot provides more opportunity to turn the puck over, have a shot intercepted, etc. and no scoring chance occurs. I cannot see the logic of passing up good scoring chances/shots in exchange for the one perfect shot.

    The aspect that does make sense is blindly turning the puck over or taking a very low percentage shot causing a turn over will hurt your team and encourage transition and counter attack. However, pretending that being outshot 40-20 is okay because we had 10 quality shots that might score two goals ? I will take the 40 shots every single time thank you.

  45. Dominoiler says:

    Racki:
    All I read in that article with Greg Cronin was “Suck it, Corsi!!”

    In all seriousness, I don’t think it’s crazy. Different philosophy than what a lot of peeps out there think, but I do get his reasoning that not all shots are equal. Most hockey minds seem to figure you should pepper the net… like the old “100% of the shots you don’t take” Gretzky quote. But I can see the case for quality vs. quantity. I just know too from watching the Oilers that sometimes they pass the crap out of the puck to the point where they over think ever play, it seems. Maybe if they had the philosophy to fire away when you’re “within the dots” more chances would go in.

    But ya.. not a totally radical way of thinking. Just goes against everything people in the blogosphere stand for (don’t you dare denounce Corsi!). I personally don’t put a tonne of stock into Corsi (some.. just not as much as most people do), but I’m definitely not saying this guy is right. But I do get that his stubbornness is likely going to lead him nowhere fast.

    I agree.. most of the over reactions from commentors seems to be coming from an egoic identification w advanced (corsi) stats, which has been wounded and turned around on the attack to salvage the situ.. who here is to say the leafs didnt get better shots / chances than the oil (referring to the compared shots for / against post, as well as save %’s).. this has consistently been a point of contention and deserves better than ignorant denial (he’s just an idiot).. if tracking scoring chances wasn’t so subjective, I would bet this would be a much more widely sed metric at this point in time (even so, this is what teams appear to track)

  46. Dominoiler says:

    With that said, I still think its important recognise that total shots have some value when assessing possession in a game.. it just isn’t everything, and believe scoring chances for / against is more valuable when assessing overall performance..

  47. VanOil says:

    Dominoiler: an egoic identification w advanced (corsi) stats,

    (referring to the compared shots for / against post, as well as save %’s).. this has consistently been a point of contention and deserves better than ignorant denial (he’s just an idiot)

    He is just an idiot. There is room for debate about the usefulness of measuring the quality of defensive defencemen (oxymoron) with shots for and against as an analogy for possession. There is no room for debate on shots for and against having a strong correlation with possession and winning for teams and forwards. This does not mean that teams that out shoot the the other team always win. Because hey the quality of shot matters and the quality of goal keeping matters more. But the odds are that a team that regularly gets out shot loses more often than naught. If the Leafs were say the NYR that blocked “quality” shots the argument might hold, they did not, and Corsi only measures the shots that get through anyways, some might suck, some that bang off a shin pad or a post and are not counted might not. This evens out.

    While Ricki will gleefully explain to you why PDO is not perfect (he will defend the righteousness of stats in general). The Leafs have not shown the exceptional goal tending nor exceptional possession play (Think regular season Luongo and a Sedin cycle when the rules are still called) that would explain a deviation for PDO 1.000. Meaning they got lucky in a short season riding fortunate percentages. Further more the fact they have ignored these facts during the off season and further unbalanced the leafs team means one thing. Take sports select Leafs vrs Anyone this season and you will won more that you lose. Bookje it.

  48. Beaker says:

    VanOil,

    I don’t think oxymoron means what you think it means.

  49. russ99 says:

    I absolutely love that article. Pokes a huge hole in Corsi, (shot quality) which frankly is getting too used way too much and poorly used as a stat to compare unlike types of players, like OPS in baseball.

    As for tracking possession time on a single-player level, it’s not impossible, I’ve heard of soccer teams having players wear items with a chip so they can track player movement, running effeciency and positioning.

    To track when people have the puck, there would also need to be a chip in the puck.

  50. russ99 says:

    böökje,

    LOL. How many times have you heard a hockey coach say “just put the puck on the net”.

    Maybe it’s not as drastic as you mentioned, but it’s a factor.

  51. "Steve Smith" says:

    Beaker:
    VanOil,

    I don’t think oxymoron means what you think it means.

    No, it does; he’s just easily offended by defencemen.

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