CLOSING TIME

There are times in life when pressure can make a person do funny things: closing time  is one of the major culprits. Every male reading this is nodding his head yes, and I suspect a few females will be as well: deadlines lead to desperation and desperation leads to bad decisions.

SHOPPING!

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  1. Walden Galleria, Buffalo NY: There are several players of interest for the Oilers, I’d suggest Tomas Vanek (who we have talked about before) and Drew Stafford (who Jim Matheson has talked about before) are possibles. 
  2. Polo Park, Winnipeg MAN: Blake Wheeler is an unsigned rfa and is probably looking for a pretty penny. The Jets have some holes in their lineup, possibly the Oilers could help them out. The price would be dear.
  3. Galleria, St.Louis MO: The Blues are like a staging area for big, heavy forwards and as always they have a ton of them. Not quite a PF, David Perron brings a nice skill level to his game and does have some grit. I don’t know what the cost will be, but he’s apparently available and that’s a pretty important item at this point in the summer.
  4. Yorkdale Shopping Centre, Toronto ON: The Leafs have themselves in some cap glue and the Oilers could lend a hand. Nikolai Kulemin is my choice, you may prefer someone else. Leafs have some nice things, but those free agent deals make it difficult to sign the entire roster.
  5. Crabtree Valley Mall, Raleigh NC: The Hurricanes are rumored to be signing Jaromir Jagr any minute now, and perhaps that means Tuomo Ruutu shakes loose. Oilers would be well advised to be in on that, he’s not a big man but his skills are a nice match for the Oilers.
  6. The Pru, Boston MA: The Bruins are doing fine on the cap but there have been rumblings about Brad Marchand so I’m including him on the list. He isn’t a big guy, but man he’s a helluva hockey player. All day. ALL day.

WHAT ARE THEY LOOKING FOR?

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At this point, teams dealing with the Oilers will be needing one of two things: cap space or defensemen. The blue list is getting quite long and MacT said yesterday he’d like another, please.

  1. Jeff Petry
  2. Ladislav Smid
  3. Andrew Ference
  4. Justin Schultz
  5. Nick Schultz
  6. Philip Larsen
  7. Anton Belov
  8. Corey Potter
  9. Oscar Klefbom
  10. Martin Marincin
  11. Taylor Fedun
  12. Brandon Davidson

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

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Very cool stuff on the show today at 10, hope you can tune in (Team 1260). Scheduled to appear:

We’ll have open line plus texts at 10-1260 and of course twitter @Lowetide_. Really looking forward to it, hope you can tune in!

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  1. DBO says:

    Been on the Ruutu bandwagon for awhile now. Wonder if they crazied it up with a Schultz for Ruutu and a Hemsky or picks/prospects for Stafford. Lots of salary, but i’d call that solid.

    The tell for me is who has the org talked about in the past. They loved Ruutu, and if memory serves, they tried to deal for him all the way back to his Chicago days. I think he’s the perfect fit = can play either wing or centre, solid on faceoffs, plays a gritty in your face style (which will get him hurt, classic Oiler). Stafford has been mentioned so many times the past few years it’s almost laughable. He is a salary dump, so i expect a prospect and a pick.

    Ruutu for Schultz Sr. and prospect
    Stafford for Marincin and a pick.

    One big thing to remember is that the Oil have an amnesty buyout left, and adding one or both of these guys with salary and term left is not as scary when you factor in the ability to buy one out if it doesn’t work either due to play or cap concerns.

  2. Ca$h-Money! says:

    I’ll take Stafford (because I think we can get him cheap and he has 50 point upside) Kulemin (under rated) and Perron please.

    Not sure how we go about getting all three mind you…. Hemsky and as many prospects as necessary I suppose. Musil at the top of the list to move: name and position on a winning team increases his value relative to actual in my mind.

    No way we give up Marincin for Stafford. Buffalo is looking to off load him, that would be too high a price.

  3. dangilitis says:

    Where do you see Ruutu fitting? 3rd line RW? He’s got 4.75 mil/season for 3 years left. Unless he can play LW, that seems like an overpay for someone who’ll slot behind Ebs and Yak. Kind of like the 5 mil/season we are playing Hemsky to now fill that role.

    I mentioned this last night, and I would be happy to get Perron, but StL wouldn’t want anything but young inexpensive prospects and sometimes that can be a dear price (e.g. Paajarvi). What about Michalek from Ottawa? They have 4 natural LW who are all pretty gifted in one way (Michalek, Conacher, Ryan, MacArthur) and their best natural RW is Neil. Hemsky would honestly be a godsend to the top 6 there, unless, of course, they just plan to shift one of their LW to the right side. But I think there could be a fit, as both players have similar contracts and similar injury histories. He wouldn’t come cheap but I think retaining some of Hemsky’s salary and throwing in defensive help or a draft pick might get it done. Then you keep Gagner and have a top 6 of:

    RNH-Hall-Eberle
    Gagner-Michalek-Yakupov

  4. DBO says:

    Ca$h-Money!,

    Kulemin is solid. Wonder if you could get Ruutu (2/3 centre), Stafford (3RW) and Kulemin (2/ LW). Want bold, go get all three. Size, grit and 50 pt ability. Or it could just be a real expensive 3rd line.

    Hall-Nuge-Eberle
    Kulemin-Gagner-Yakupov
    Paajarvi-Ruutu-Stafford
    Smyth-Gordon-Jones

    I would be ecstatic, at this point in the off season, if this was our starting forward unit.

  5. cdean says:

    If the Oilerws are able to make a trade for a defense man, they have to be sending one or two back, the ones on the block are N. Shultz, Smid, Petry, Potter and AHL level (in that order in my opinion). I don’t want to speculate about the AHL level because I don’t follow them as closely as the NHL level. N. Shultz is being paid too much for third pairing but still not a detriment. Smid and Petry are solid 2nd pairing but they could be upgraded because we have other 2nd pairing options, Petry has a great value contract that might make people bite. Potter I can see staying because they will probably carry 8 defense men at the beginning of the year. Other tradeable assets are Hemsky and AHL forwards. But they are also looking for a 2nd line LW and I can see a defense man being used there too. Lots to look forward too. Wish I had better patience.

  6. Ca$h-Money! says:

    DBO,

    That would be great… probably too expensive, but great. I’m not sure Ruutu is the guy, especially given his price.

    There’s got to be someone… this waiting is painful.

  7. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Let’s sign Grabo and circle back to that big deal with the CBJs.

    Send Gagner + down there for Tyutin, Umberger +.

    Solves the Gagner arbitration/ufa cock up. Solves the #2 C slot. Solves the first pairing D slot. Solves the power winger slot.

    then you just need a grab bag of goodies… (4c etc).

  8. jonrmcleod says:

    When did Matheson ever bring up Stafford?

  9. DBO says:

    Yeah the money would be a lot (taking on an additional $11.550, but trading away $3.5 so a net gain of $8.050. According to Cap Geek we have a little more then $11 mill in cap space. IF you added another player in one of the deals, then great.

    So work it out:
    Ruutu for Schultz Sr. and Pitlick. = net gain $1.250
    Stafford for Marincin and a 3rd – net gain $4 mill
    Kulemin for Eager (they like tough guys) and a 2nd = net gain $1.7 mill

    Total net gain to the Oil = $6.95 mill.
    Cap Space = $4.55

    = can’t work. need Gagner to re sign. Unless you moved him for a dman, and used Ruutu as your #2 centre. Dang. 2 out of 3 would work great though.

  10. rich says:

    I also hear there’s some winger named Penner available too, but he never gets mentioned around here.

    Like idea of Kulemin coming this way for picks. Solves problems for both teams. Short of that, if we could pry Ruutu out of Carolina for pick/prospect on the blue (Davidson, Simpson, Musil), I’d do that in a heartbeat.

    After all the time patiently waiting for Marincin to develop, I’d hope we keep him around along w/Klefbom.

    And to LT, that you for putting Dee eeS eeF – Captain Happy in comment jail. The act gets tiresome after awhile.

  11. knighttown says:

    Recommended add to your list LT; Jussi Jokinen. Traded, waived and then a healthy scratch for some playoff games so cost couldn’t be much.

    -30 years old, 6 feet, 200lbs LW
    -1 year left at $2,100,000 cap hit
    -Vollman chart is a beauty. He had tough zone starts (47%), solid zone finish (51%) and posted an excellent Corsi RelQC against pretty tough competition.
    -His GFGA/60 isn’t great at 2.1-2.6 but considering the context and his unlucky PDO (980) it’s OK.
    -Assists weren’t there but his goals/60 of 1.11 was 4th on that Pens team and would be just behind Yakupov and ahead of Hall and Eberle and every other Oiler.
    -Oh, and in case you need it, Jokinen is a beast in the faceoff circle at 57% last year and is possibly the best shootout man in NHL history.

    First question, how could Tambo let him slide by on waivers. Second question, assuming the healthy scratches are an indication he’s not well loved in Pittsburgh, could he be pried out for the cap relief and a mid-round draft pick?

    Possibly the perfect 3LW option with the ability to play up if needed.

  12. striatic says:

    dangilitis: Unless he can play LW

    Ruutu is a left shooting LW.

  13. Zipdot says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Let’s sign Grabo and circle back to that big deal with the CBJs.

    Send Gagner + down there for Tyutin, Umberger +.

    Solves the Gagner arbitration/ufa cock up. Solves the #2 C slot. Solves the first pairing D slot. Solves the power winger slot.

    then you just need a grab bag of goodies… (4c etc).

    Gall dog, that is a pretty tidy little scheme you’ve cooked up! Rom for GM 2014

  14. Ivan says:

    knighttown:
    Recommended add to your list LT; Jussi Jokinen. Traded, waived and then a healthy scratch for some playoff games so cost couldn’t be much.

    -30 years old, 6 feet, 200lbs LW-1 year left at $2,100,000 cap hit-Vollman chart is a beauty. He had tough zone starts (47%), solid zone finish (51%) and posted an excellent Corsi RelQC against pretty tough competition.-His GFGA/60 isn’t great at 2.1-2.6 but considering the context and his unlucky PDO (980) it’s OK.-Assists weren’t there but his goals/60 of 1.11 was 4th on that Pens team and would be just behind Yakupov and ahead of Hall and Eberle and every other Oiler.-Oh, and in case you need it, Jokinen is a beast in the faceoff circle at 57% last year and is possibly the best shootout man in NHL history.

    First question, how could Tambo let him slide by on waivers. Second question, assuming the healthy scratches are an indication he’s not well loved in Pittsburgh, could he be pried out for the cap relief and a mid-round draft pick?

    Possibly the perfect 3LW option with the ability to play up if needed.

    This would make a lot of sense- primarily because the play by play announcers will have an infarction trying to say Jussi Jokenin , Jesse Joensu and Magnus Paajarvi, our new Nordic line!

  15. Jesse says:

    Would you mind asking Bruce if Slepyshev was at the development camp? I haven’t heard anything about him being there.

  16. RexLibris says:

    So if we are to assume that Jagr is going to sign with Carolina any moment now, does that change the Hemsky landscape?

    We know that Jagr has wanted to play with Hemsky in the past, and I strongly suspect that Rutherford likes Hemsky as a player.

    Does this create a market for Hemsky later this month?

  17. Lowetide says:

    Jesse:

    Would you mind asking Bruce if Slepyshev was at the development camp? I haven’t heard anything about him being there.

    slepyshev wasn’t there, they couldn’t get his paperwork done in time.

  18. RMGS says:

    “Sign Grabovski as 3C/2C and Penner as 2LW/3LW at discounts.

    Keep Hemsky as 3RW/2RW (trade him at the deadline, if you’re bent on letting go of a good hockey player).

    Swindle Holmgren for Coburn.

    Ice a solid, balanced line-up on opening night.”

    If folks repeat this in their heads (and in random conversations) many, many times, it may happen.

  19. Bushed says:

    MacT’s stated “impatience” + “possibly the Oilers could help them out. The price would be dear” type of thinking from other GMs does not have the makings of a good trade from the Oilers side of things.

    MacT has to resist the “closing time” mentality and not start settling for second or third choices (great analogy, LT).

    If other teams are counting on the Oilers to “help” them, then they haven’t yet recognized that they don’t get to dictate values–they’re the ones in the cap glue. MacT needs to play these guys off against each other and perhaps wait them out for awhile rather than jump at the first semi-attractive deal or player that presents itself.

    And if he must accept less than what he envisions for the team (long term) to fill roster spots before the season starts, he’d best get very good value or have a better plan B than “coyote arm” the next morning (to extend your analogy, LT).

    Grabo and Perron and other possible FA’s/trades may induce woodies at closing time, but if they’re not what you want to commit to for the long haul, then start thinking with the big head, no?

    (Next item: Rome wasn’t built in an off-season, and the value of having room to be opportunistic throughout the whole season vs just at drafts, free agencies, and trade deadlines?)

  20. Jesse says:

    Lowetide: slepyshev wasn’t there, they couldn’t get his paperwork done in time.

    Oh, cool, thanks. That’s too bad, I’m really interested in him as a player. Would have been interesting to see him stack up against some of the other Oiler prospects.

  21. Racki says:

    I have wanted Tuomo Ruutu here for about as long as I can remember. Heck of a player. Hopefully his value hasn’t dropped too much since i last saw him play. But he brings the kind of skills the Oilers really need.

    3rd line would then be:

    Ruutu – Gordon – Jones

    Not too shab.

    Still need a 2nd line C or big LW presence for that line. At that point, not sure what happens with Paajarvi or Gagner. Perhaps Paajarvi would replace Jones above, and Jones would end up being a very solid 4th liner.

    Ruutu makes for a very expensive 4th liner though.. and perhaps I’m undervaluing him by suggesting he’d be on line 3. Maybe he’d be our line 2 “big” winger.

    in that case it would be:

    Hall – Nuge – Eberle
    Ruutu – (still want someone else here) – Yakupov
    Paajarvi – Gordon – Jones

  22. Hammers says:

    Just remember you may get what you ask for and I would much sooner get what McT wants or feels he needs . Either you believe in the guy or you don’t but lets face it ,it’s his job . Lots of great ideas but the real problem is Gags not signing and if he goes to arbitration we are in deep doo do thanks to Tambellini. Right here and now I would trade Gags if the right package is there and it could be . Options Columbus , Philly , Toronto . Need a top “D” and extra player Or a return of a center .

  23. russ99 says:

    Re: Penner:

    When the new GM comes in here talking about culture change to break the cycle of losing, to the point where we deal away the captain (along with the plan of moving Hemsky) – and the new coach comes in talking about fitness, nutrition and playing a complete game, there’s no way they can bring Penner in here without looking like total hypocrates and/or having no clue about what they’re doing.

    So yes, maybe he’d be a decent fit, considering how our offseason plans haven’t worked out the way we wanted, but it’s not going to happen.

  24. fuzzy muppet says:

    Racki,

    If Ryan Jones is on your third line, you have a bad hockey team.

  25. Truth says:

    I think the Gagner situation is all in his court. If he wants to play with the Oilers long term, as he has indicated in the past, he will sign the deal in front of him. If he goes to arbitration and signs a one year deal he will surely be dealt prior to the trade deadline. This is probably what his agent is pushing as he will be getting a decent deal for this year and will be playing with at least one very skilled winger. He gets the contract, puts up decent numbers, and turns into the youngest UFA ever. Gagner is an Ontario boy and the leafs have a giant hole at center. The contract they just gave Bozak must have Gagner’s agent salivating.

  26. Rondo says:

    russ99,

    Penner was demoted in the regular season. This guy does not work hard in the regular season. I don’t know why people think all of a sudden he is going to be motivated on a non playoff team.

    When Penner is motivated and playing in the playoffs he is a good player.

    I personally think he would be a disaster in Edmonton.

  27. lance says:

    I was going to start a Storntini thing but then Anaheim. Good for him. I met him once and seemed like a guy who could crush me and three friends, but when he started talking he turned out a super fun guy with whom we sat and joked marvellously for 20 minutes.

    It strikes me that even more important to the mgmt than icing a competitive line up is to keep the place free of the sour puss. I bet Jones gets the nod because all accounts say everyone loves the guy, the team chose him to house rookie Nuge, and from what little I can glean through Oil Change, he really seems like a superstar when it comes to interpersonal communication. Or, if my boy turned out like any of the Oilers (as seen on tv) I think I may be happiest if he was most like Jones.

    A bush in the hand is definitely worth two birds.

  28. Truth says:

    russ99,

    Exactly. Waste of time even talking about it.

  29. Southern Oil says:

    So at this point, are we assuming Lander has 4C locked up? If MacT is going to make some further changes you would have to think additions come on Dfense and/or 2 line LW. Did Lander take enough steps last year to warrant the job?

    I don’t know the candidates well enough for the 2 line LW but I think it would be ideal if one of them was a center / LW which could potentially put Lander in the AHL to start the season.

  30. lance says:

    Gretz99 –

    Super greatful for the upload btw! Seems you used a tripod and edited and got there in time for a choice location. very nice.

    Any chance we foreigners could get a list of who is wearing what #?

    thanks.

  31. TheOtherJohn says:

    jonrmcleod:
    When did Matheson ever bring up Stafford?

    He brings it up as frequently as Captain Happy/DSF/Bookje brings up Kyle Wellwood aka “Destroyer of Worlds”

  32. RMGS says:

    Truth:
    russ99,

    Exactly.Waste of time even talking about it.

    Agreed. Let’s spend “useful” time talking trades!
    :)

  33. Tarkus says:

    lance:

    Any chance we foreigners could get a list of who is wearing what #?

    thanks.

    Here ya be: http://oilers.nhl.com/v2/ext/pdf/Release-DevelopmentCamp2013.pdf

    BTW, kudos to whoever posted the Nietzsche Family Circus link last night. Brilliant.

  34. bookje says:

    Tarkus: Here ya be: http://oilers.nhl.com/v2/ext/pdf/Release-DevelopmentCamp2013.pdf

    BTW, kudos to whoever posted the Nietzsche Family Circus link last night.Brilliant.

    That was me, don’t believe Steve Smith if he says it was him. He is always trying to steal praise directed to other people. Don’t tell anyone, but I am pretty sure Steve Smith is D.S.F’s alter ego.

  35. Ribs says:

    jonrmcleod:
    When did Matheson ever bring up Stafford?

    If this isn’t sarcasm, Matheson says the Oilers are trading for him about every six months for some reason. No one else says it, but he does. Repeatedly. I think it might be an inside joke he has with himself.

  36. Bushed says:

    Truth,

    If Gags goes to arbitration, he won’t be around for a year–he’ll be traded immediately.

    As someone else posted elsewhere, his trade value (on a one-year arbitration contract) declines daily, so there is no way he’d have much value to another team at the end of a one-year deal–you’d be trading for several weeks or months of Gagner, followed by UFA, which he’s not likely to leave unexplored.

    So if Sam really wants to stay, he’ll have to back off of his rumored $5.5M per year salary demands. If the money is more important, he’ll go to arbitration and seal his fate (trade).

    I think MacT is smart to wait him out a little. Worst case scenario is an offer sheet, then MacT can use the compensatory draft picks in trades that may be easier to make (vs trading Sam), especially with cap-strapped teams who want to shed salaries.

    Should be interesting to see what develops.

  37. G Money says:

    One of the lesser talked about reasons you sign guys like Gilbert, Penner, Grabo, Boyes, etc. to fill known gaps instead of waiting to find the perfect big skilled player is that
    - a skilled NHL-quality player is always way better than a non-NHL quality hockey player. Damien Brunner at 3RW is way better than Ryan Jones. Yes?
    - if you don’t have a skilled NHL player, your next solution is to play people higher up in the lineup. Like Ryan Jones at 3RW instead of 4RW.
    - If you don’t have any NHL quality hockey players, your default solution to a gap is an AHL quality player in your lineup. We saw what kind of disaster that leads to last year.

    If you can sign some of the skilled but unsigned free agents to fill gaps, especially if you can get them at a bargain price, it means you are bargaining from a position of strength when it comes time to talk trade. Harder to be exploited when the other guy knows that your fallback plan is ‘not perfect’ as opposed to ‘disaster’.

    Finally, for the umpteenth time mentioning Penner: even his detractors recognize that he is big and skilled. The criticism is always that he’s fat and lazy. So I say again – would it not be worth bringing him in on a BIG contract with a league-minimum base salary and a huge bonus tied to points scored and plus minus? If anything will motivate him to play a strong two-way game, it would be that.

  38. Lewis Grant says:

    Have we given up on Fistric, former Dallas third-pairing D?

    If so, do we think that Larsen, former Dallas third-pairing D, will be any better?

    Weren’t we all unhappy about the fact that Tambo kept on picking up third-pairing D but not getting a top 4 D? By my count, we now have six third-pairing D and (at best) three top 4 D.

    Is that progress?

  39. Wes Mantooth-11 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Let’s sign Grabo and circle back to that big deal with the CBJs. Send Gagner + down there for Tyutin, Umberger +.Solves the Gagner arbitration/ufa cock up. Solves the #2 C slot. Solves the first pairing D slot. Solves the power winger slot.then you just need a grab bag of goodies… (4c etc).

    While I think Umberger is a good player, he’s not a power winger in the same way I think you mean.

    He plays a game that wants you asking for more…….actually he’s much like Penner, uses his body positioning well but isn’t a true “power winger”

    Good player that lacks Jam. Umberger within a half a year would be the Oilers new whipping boy guaranteed.

    The closest comparable If you want the opposite of Umberger, it would be Dubinsky, Hard on the puck, heavy hitter, fights, has comparable offense, both players can play LW and C although Dubinsky is a better Centre.

    Umberger falls short I’m afraid in the “Power Winger” category. I think you will be sorely disappointed.

  40. russ99 says:

    Lewis Grant,

    Yes, Fistric is 27, and is pretty established that hitting is the one average to above average skill that he brings to the table.

    Larsen is 23, with a more complete game, can puck move and play positional defense, and has some room for growth. His only downside is lack of strength, which workout nut Eakins could help him improve. Good extra defenseman to have, and could end up on the third pairing if he shows skill/strength improvement.

    Smid, Petry and Ference aren’t third pairing, and Schultz should be playing better than third pairing this season. Yes, we don’t really have a top pairing guy, but those guys don’t grow on trees and none were realistically available this summer. We may need to wait for Nurse for that.

  41. dawgtoy says:

    jonrmcleod,

    Jim Matheson ‏@NHLbyMatty 23h
    Keep beating this drum. Drew Stafford. John Muckler says just needs change of scenery after hot ‘n cold

  42. khildahl says:

    Ugh. Just went by a TV that happened to be showing TSN and saw a smiling Horcoff in a Stars jersey.

    I’m kind of sad now.

  43. kelevra says:

    All this talk of Vanek, I think we should target Erhoff and Ott instead, they would really fill holes on this team much better and are more long term solutions.

  44. Doug McLachlan says:

    Random questions for the assembeled experts:

    Prior to Alfredson signing with Detroit, the thought was that he may not return to the NHL at all. Ottawa was interested in Hemsky as a replacement. From Ottawa’s point of view, they still have a hole at RW – do they still have an interest in Hemsky? Is the price still Zach Smith?

    I love the Gordon signing and am ok with the Jones signing but would be much happier with them on the 4th line than the 3rd with Smyth/Brown spelling each other off. Has MacT confirmed Gordon as the third line center or merely as the checking center?

    If ‘m correct, that still leaves the remainder of a third line to construct. I’ve chosen to drink the fancy stat kool-aid on Grabovski who seemed effective under Wilson’s tenure in Toronto, even if Carlyle and he did not see eye to eye. Is there any evidence of what Eakins thinks of Grabovski’s work?

    Regarding the D, is the Coburn talk all over or is there any chance it get’s revived? While clearly not a top 4 option, should we have any interest in one-time darline Jonathan Blum? What about on a tryout-contract when camp rolls around – I’m a sucker for pedagree and Nashville is such a d-man factory something must have rubbed off.

    I know we were wanting to keep the core in the twenties but as with Ference, might there be some value to adding a veteran like Ron Hainsey at 32 years?

    Is the next big “crunch” time to prompt GMs to explore moves agina going to be arbitration? If so, how many weeks before that new window of activity opens up?

  45. FrankenOil says:

    Useless rant of the day,

    But listening to the show LT, and this Love fellow wants to talk about our blueline taking on Liles in order to get Gardiner with us sending a young forward the other way. I am tired of hearing this media rhetoric of how bad the blueline is and we should trade a young forward to fix it. The big problem the way i see it, is our forward depth is awful. The forward group is the biggest problem and trading Gagner or MPS solely for a blueliner is a terrible idea. While the blueline needs another option, outside of the #1′s. Eberle, Gagner and maybe MPS, who is going to actually score goals?

  46. bookje says:

    Bushed:
    Truth,

    So if Sam really wants to stay, he’ll have to back off of his rumored $5.5M per year salary demands. If the money is more important, he’ll go to arbitration and seal his fate (trade).

    Key phrase “If Sam really wants to stay…”

    Why would he? His alternative is another team in the NHL. The Oilers have no power over him. It’s not like he will be banished to the KHL or Hershey if he does not sign here.

  47. speeds says:

    bookje,

    Even if he wants to stay, assuming EDM wants to sign him to a long term deal now, is there any reason to think EDM wouldn’t sign him to a long term deal next July 1st when he can get a NTC/NMC thrown in?

  48. jb says:

    This boards going insane.. Dump Hemsky, sign Ruutu??? really…. why??? That makes 0 sense. Ruutu isn’t better than Hemsky and he’s averaged 59 games played a season since 03, while Hemsky’s averaged 62. Ruutu’s had 1 50 point season in his entire career.

    MacT just said we need more defensive depth and people are still trading Nick Shultz just because we got Ferenece… News flash.. WE NEED MORE NHL D.

  49. lawrenharris says:

    Dustin Penner as an Oiler:
    07-08: 82GP 24G 23A -12
    08-09: 78GP 17G 20A +7
    09-10: 82GP 32G 31A +6
    10-11: 62GP 21G 18A -12
    That doesn’t look so bad to me. Production in LA steps into elevator shaft, of course. Couldn’t we get that Oilers productivity back for a lot less money?

  50. justDOit says:

    Jesse:
    Would you mind asking Bruce if Slepyshev was at the development camp? I haven’t heard anything about him being there.

    Can anyone who attended DC comment on the other Yak – Yakimov? A big Russian named Bogdan – I love it!

  51. uni says:

    justDOit,

    Bruce McCurdy had a few twitter lines on him. To summarize, big, decent hands and puck protection. Not much use without the puck. Things to like, but definite project and has a long way to go if he wants to make the NHL one day.

    Keep in mind that McCurdy mentioned that from limited viewings in a drills setting against other prospects, and that Yakimov and Zharkov both left a day early to make KHL team camps, i.e. no scrimmage review.

  52. linkfromhyrule says:

    sooo I know all the talk so far has been about defense and forwards, but what about goalies….

    We don’t have any NHL goalies after next season…at all…

    and not only that, this dubnyk situation reminds me of the gagner situation. What if dubnyk has a career year and decides he wants a much higher contract. Then again, like gagner, he has the hammer and we are, well, screwed

  53. Truth says:

    Bushed,
    Bookje,

    I think we’re on the same page. Gagner signs the contract in front of him or gets traded. The timeframe on the trade would have to be when there is the most value. Is that now or later?

    Speeds,

    If Gagner isn’t signing now it is probably because he wants too much money, too long of a term, or a NMC after this year that Edmonton is not willing to do. Gagner’s position gets stronger next year. If Edmonton is playing hardball now why would they (or Gagner’s camp) soften their stance after this year when Gagner is set to become a UFA. I would assume MacT is essentially saying here’s the long term deal we can agree to, if you don’t want it you will not be an Edmonton Oiler past the trade deadline at the latest. If MacT is going to go to arbitration this season in the attempt to sign Gagner to a better deal next season I think we might have Tambellini 2.0 on our hands.

  54. justDOit says:

    Could MacT be trying to orchestrate a ‘sign and trade’ for Gagner? Sam and the other team could get term of 8 years, which depending on cap-hit, might increase his trade value by being locked up long-term.

  55. Moose says:

    Correct me if I’m wrong, unless something has changed in the new CBA, you can’t trade a player after arbitration, so I’m not sure why that’s even being brought up as a possibility. We have zero leverage here, either you make him sign your best offer or you trade before he selects arbitration. MacT would have to be incredibly confident in his ability to sign him between now and hearing to do otherwise.

  56. godot10 says:

    linkfromhyrule:
    sooo I know all the talk so far has been about defense and forwards, but what about goalies….

    We don’t have any NHL goalies after next season…at all…

    and not only that, this dubnyk situation reminds me of the gagner situation. What if dubnyk has a career year and decides he wants a much higher contract. Then again, like gagner, he has the hammer and we are, well, screwed

    There aren’t many goalie jobs open for UFA goalies wanting a big payday. And the salary scale for a UFA goalie is pretty much set, from Howard to Quick to Smith Renne to soon-to-be new contracts for Rask and Lundqvist. And the Bryzgalov fiasco is still in the minds of many GM’s.

    If Dubnyk plays well, the parameters of the contract are pretty well market-defined.

  57. rickithebear says:

    Smid-Belov
    Ference-petry
    Klefbom-N.Schultz
    J.Schultz

    J. schultz proved he is not a NHL dman 18 of 20.5 minutes played.
    Belov proved to be the best in the 2nd best league.
    Klefbom was the best +/- in the SEL.
    that puts them ahead of J. schultz in my book!

  58. Bushed says:

    Truth,

    Yup. Same page.

  59. godot10 says:

    Moose:
    Correct me if I’m wrong, unless something has changed in the new CBA, you can’t trade a player after arbitration, so I’m not sure why that’s even being brought up as a possibility. We have zero leverage here, either you make him sign your best offer or you trade before he selects arbitration. MacT would have to be incredibly confident in his ability to sign him between now and hearing to do otherwise.

    I think the only limitation on player movement in arbitration is that the player becomes a UFA if the team walks away from an arbitration decision, which a team can only do a specified number of times in a given period. I’m pretty certain that one can trade a player who has opted for arbitration, and trade a player without restriction if the team has accepted the arbitration award.

    I don’t see what the big deal is about Gagner opting for arbitration. There is risk you might have to pay him more next year, but then there is the equal possibility that you will have to pay him less.

    With a player who is still a moving target, delaying as long as possible signing long duration contracts when you can no longer bury them is an important advantage. A year’s delay will further de-risk a contract given to Gagner, and upside risk is minimal , because the Taylor Hall salary cap is in place (a huge gift from the much maligned Steve Tambellini).

    Plus if the Gagner camp is going to cave, they will only cave on the steps of the building leading into the arbitration hearing. That is the way these things happen. We are in the stare down period. Once both sides have demonstrated their resolve, they will settle on the brink of arbitration.

    Just chill.

  60. jonrmcleod says:

    rickithebear,

    Just like the idea that Matheson would bring up Stafford, this statement that Justin Schultz is no good seems to have come out of the blue.

  61. linkfromhyrule says:

    godot10: There aren’t many goalie jobs open for UFA goalies wanting a big payday.And the salary scale for a UFA goalie is pretty much set, from Howard to Quick to Smith Renne to soon-to-be new contracts forRask and Lundqvist.And the Bryzgalov fiasco is still in the minds of many GM’s.

    If Dubnyk plays well, the parameters of the contract are pretty well market-defined.

    Ok Fair enough, so his contract won’t increase as much as a forwards would, but does our utter lack of goalie depth in this organization not concern you? And what if dubnyk decides to test free agency and considers signing somewhere else. Labarbera is only signed for one season, and I don’t see him as a starter anyway.

  62. rickithebear says:

    Jon What is justin good At?

  63. linkfromhyrule says:

    rickithebear:
    Smid-Belov
    Ference-petry
    Klefbom-N.Schultz
    J.Schultz

    J. schultz proved he is not a NHL dman 18 of 20.5 minutes played.
    Belov proved to be the best in the 2nd best league.
    Klefbom was the best +/- in the SEL.
    that puts them ahead of J. schultz in my book!

    Dear lord I’m glad you aren’t the one coming up with our defense lines.

  64. jonrmcleod says:

    Perron acquired by the Oilers.

  65. Tarkus says:

    Fred Poulin ‏@FredPoulin98 5m

    St. Louis #Blues forward David Perron just got traded to the Edmonton #Oilers via @JFChaumont. More details to come.

    In the words of Arte Johnson’s character on Laugh-In, “Veddy interesteeng”.

  66. jonrmcleod says:

    rickithebear,

    I was playing dumb on both accounts…but J. Schultz is obviously good on the PP.

  67. striatic says:

    Bob Stauffer
    ‏@Bob_Stauffer
    Trade coming…Perron to Oilers for roster player and a pick…

    roster player .. hmmm .. and which round?

    i like Perron though, so this shouldn’t be calamitous.

  68. Captain Happy says:

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 27s

    #Oilers acquire David Perron (@DP_57) from the @StLouisBlues in exchange for Magnus Paajarvi and a 2014 second-round draft pick.

  69. Tarkus says:

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 1m

    #Oilers acquire David Perron (@DP_57) from the @StLouisBlues in exchange for Magnus Paajarvi and a 2014 second-round draft pick.

    Yikes.

  70. Pablo Aimar says:

    Magnus and a 2nd. Fucking brutal.

  71. wheatnoil says:

    striatic:
    Bob Stauffer
    ‏@Bob_Stauffer
    Trade coming…Perron to Oilers for roster player and a pick…

    roster player .. hmmm .. and which round?

    i like Perron though, so this shouldn’t be calamitous.

    Not Paajarvi… not Paajarvi… not Paajarvi…

  72. FrankenOil says:

    awful trade…MPS AND a 2nd?!?!?!?!?! so we are getting smaller?

  73. wheatnoil says:

    Tarkus:
    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 1m

    #Oilers acquire David Perron (@DP_57) from the @StLouisBlues in exchange for Magnus Paajarvi and a 2014 second-round draft pick.

    Yikes.

    Damn it!

  74. raventalon40 says:

    Overpay

  75. striatic says:

    Perron is interesting being a LW that shoots right, and Yakupov is a RW who shoots left.

    would be funny if they ended up on the same line.

  76. striatic says:

    wheatnoil: #Oilers acquire David Perron (@DP_57) from the @StLouisBlues in exchange for Magnus Paajarvi and a 2014 second-round draft pick.

    arrrrrrrrrrg.

  77. justDOit says:

    FrankenOil,

    and slower, it would seem.

  78. FrankenOil says:

    And a lengthier injury history

  79. raventalon40 says:

    striatic:
    Perron is interesting being a LW that shoots right, and Yakupov is a RW who shoots left.

    would be funny if they ended up on the same line.

    One-timers all day

  80. jonrmcleod says:

    I think an unbiased observer would say the Oilers got the better of that deal. Maybe Paajarvi will realize his potential, but, right now, Perron is a better player than Paajarvi.

  81. justDOit says:

    Wasn’t Setoguchi traded for a 2nd round pick? I’m without words, at this moment.

  82. TheOtherJohn says:

    Holy frack

    Did Oilers bring back Tambelini to make this trade?

    Added disadvantage of this trade is Oilers inability to make offer sheets

  83. striatic says:

    raventalon40: Overpay

    i wouldn’t say this is an overpay, Perron is a step up from PRV right now, but it is a very, very lateral move.

  84. striatic says:

    raventalon40: One-timers all day

    quite a bit disadvantaged along the boards though.

  85. Truth says:

    FrankenOil,

    Height means nothing when you are soft as butter. Perron plays with an edge. Don’t like the fact it was Paajarvi though, would have rather it been one of the D prospects.

  86. landonius says:

    I haven’t watched Perron play, but I am not very excited about the cost.

  87. Lois Lowe says:

    I neither love nor hate this.

  88. BlacqueJacque says:

    Magnus is primed for a breakout season. He was showing consistent flashes last year.

    Fortunately, MacT opened up a spot on the second line left wing for top candidate Ryan Smyth.

    sigh

  89. godot10 says:

    Woe is me. I hate it when they trade the player I root and hope for the most. It may take me a fair while to recover from this.

    I predict MacT is going to regret this.

    F#$%!!!!

  90. striatic says:

    Perron has a decent contract too. 3 years left at 3.8m.

    Oilers need a 3LW now.

  91. raventalon40 says:

    Truth:
    FrankenOil,

    Height means nothing when you are soft as butter.Perron plays with an edge.Don’t like the fact it was Paajarvi though, would have rather it been one of the D prospects.

    He also has concussion issues at a very young age.

    But let’s see him play first. Could be a big surprise.

  92. wunderbar says:

    MacT’s comments yesterday about Jones being a “good fit” as 3LW suddenly make a lot more sense.

    Hall-Nuge-Eberle
    Perron-Gagner-Yak
    Jones-Gordon-Hemsky(or his replacement)
    Smyth-Lander(or better)-Joensuu
    Brown

    I’d personally prefer to see Jones and Joensuu fighting for the 4RW spot than anointing Jones at the 3LW.

    I like the move to get Perron. I’m not sure if I like the assets given to get him.

  93. OilClog says:

    I’m sad to see Magnus leave us.. but someone had to move.. he was the obvious candidate. Perron is a player, and he will make our top 6 better as it stands then MPS currently can.. It’s a move that had to happen.

  94. Manitoba Oilers says:

    Time to offer sheet Paajarvi

  95. rickithebear says:

    linkfromhyrule: Dear lord I’m glad you aren’t the one coming up with our defense lines.

    J. Schultz
    ranks 187/192even Dmen GA 3.45 6th worst in the league.
    ranks 159th of 160 Pk Dmen. 15.
    ranks

    Smid and petry part of 7 elite tough comp EV and PK ga dmen in the game.
    Chara, Boychuck, Jackman; Oduya, hjarlmasson, Smid, Petry.

    break them up to pair with and elite EvGA 2nd comp Dman ference
    and one of two top 10 point and Ga dmn in the KHL
    share the 1 and 2 comp as Mact stated.

    A third pairing of the best +/- dman in the SEL @ time of injury-WJC allstar and a 2nd comp low GA dman who had one bad year playing ewith the woirst dman in the league.

    Link from H….. tell me what is better.

  96. raventalon40 says:

    Manitoba Oilers: Time to offer sheet Paajarvi

    We traded our 2nd round pick…

    $3,364,392 to $5,046,585 is a 1st and 3rd compensation…

    And the Blues have $12,974,167 in cap space

  97. justDOit says:

    Perron missed almost the entire year of 2011 with a concussion. I hope he can keep playing this gritty style at 5′ 11″.

  98. Obiwan Eberle says:

    Perron is a gamer…plays with grit and is offensively a superior player right now. Which is why i like this, we are better right now.

    Oilers fans are hilarious…we want quality, but we’ll never accept giving you anything.

  99. bookje says:

    Could someone PLEASE tell Craig MacTavish that the ORANGE circles on the Volman graphs are BAD, particularly when they involve favorable zone starts and easy competition!!!

    I think I may be hoping on the Lowe/MacT can go to hell bandwagon. I hope I am totally wrong and there is a genius that I am not understanding here, but com’n. Do something that seems smart!

  100. bookje says:

    No need for a new post LT, we have our closing time moment.

  101. Young Oil says:

    I’m OK with this trade. Perron is a legit #2LW, when healthy.

    The only thing I don’t like is MacT wants to play Jones as a #3LW.

    In my mind, we still have holes at #3LW, #3RW, and #4C.

    Ideally, Grabovski and Steckel will be signed, and Hemsky, Musil and Gagner can be traded to fill up the wings on that third line, and also net another top 4 D.

  102. striatic says:

    bookje: Could someone PLEASE tell Craig MacTavish that the ORANGE circles on the Volman graphs are BAD, particularly when they involve favorable zone starts and easy competition!!!

    Perron is Corsi and Corsi Rel positive ..

  103. bookje says:

    striatic: Perron is Corsi and Corsi Rel positive ..

    My bad – I was only looking at the playoff numbers for 2011 and 2012 and they are bad.

  104. TheOtherJohn says:

    LT

    Thought DSF/Capn Happy/Bookje was banned?

    Surprisingly Bookje is making sense today. Banning works? who knew

  105. spoiler says:

    Tarkus:
    Fred Poulin ‏@FredPoulin98 5m

    St. Louis #Blues forward David Perron just got traded to the Edmonton #Oilers via @JFChaumont. More details to come.

    In the words of Arte Johnson’s character on Laugh-In, “Veddy interesteeng”.

    “Sock it to me” might be more apropos.

  106. Manitoba Oilers says:

    raventalon40: We traded our 2nd round pick…

    $3,364,392 to $5,046,585 is a 1st and 3rd compensation…

    And the Blues have $12,974,167 in cap space

    It was a joke but know we need to sign a 3lw wich is not to hard

  107. Jesse says:

    justDOit: Wasn’t Setoguchi traded for a 2nd round pick? I’m without words, at this moment.

    Setogouchi has 1 year left on his contract. Perron has 3. That’s probably why.

  108. bookje says:

    I just see a huge upside for a 22 year old Paajarvi and a the potential for a smaller 25 year old to have already peaked.

  109. FrankenOil says:

    Manitoba Oilers,

    For most teams it isn’t. For this one, they are living without the light bulb on.

  110. Wolfpack says:

    Sorry to see Paajarvi go – seems like MacT paid a bit of a premium for a player with concussion problems on a team that was close to the cap. I have always liked Perron, but the price paid kind of hurts.

    But there are two positives I am taking away from this trade.

    1. We got the best player in this deal – which usually signals a trade win (at least now – maybe not three years from now).

    2. MacT showed that he wants to make this team better right now.

  111. godot10 says:

    Ah we’re drinking and we’re dancing
    And the band is really happening
    And the johnny walker wisdom running high
    And my very sweet companion
    She’s the angel of compassion
    She’s rubbing half the world against her thigh
    And every drinker every dancer
    Lifts a happy face to thank her
    The fiddler fiddles something so sublime
    All the women tear their blouses off
    And the men they dance on the polka-dots
    And it’s partner found, it’s partner lost
    And it’s hell to pay when the fiddler stops:
    It’s closing time
    Yeah the women tear their blouses off
    And the men they dance on the polka-dots
    And it’s partner found, it’s partner lost
    And it’s hell to pay when the fiddler stops:
    It’s closing time

    Ah we’re lonely, we’re romantic
    And the cider’s laced with acid
    And the holy spirit’s crying, “where’s the beef?”
    And the moon is swimming naked
    And the summer night is fragrant
    With a mighty expectation of relief
    So we struggle and we stagger
    Down the snakes and up the ladder
    To the tower where the blessed hours chime
    And I swear it happened just like this:
    A sigh, a cry, a hungry kiss
    The gates of love they budged an inch
    I can’t say much has happened since
    But closing time

    I swear it happened just like this:
    A sigh, a cry, a hungry kiss
    The gates of love they budged an inch
    I can’t say much has happened since
    Closing time

    I loved you for your beauty
    But that doesn’t make a fool of me:
    You were in it for your beauty too
    And I loved you for your body
    There’s a voice that sounds like god to me
    Declaring, declaring, declaring that your body’s really you
    And I loved you when our love was blessed
    And I love you now there’s nothing left
    But sorrow and a sense of overtime
    And I missed you since the place got wrecked
    And I just don’t care what happens next
    Looks like freedom but it feels like death
    It’s something in between, I guess
    It’s closing time

    Yeah I missed you since the place got wrecked
    By the winds of change and the weeds of sex
    Looks like freedom but it feels like death
    It’s something in between, I guess
    It’s closing time

    Yeah we’re drinking and we’re dancing
    But there’s nothing really happening
    And the place is dead as heaven on a Saturday night
    And my very close companion
    Gets me fumbling gets me laughing
    She’s a hundred but she’s wearing
    Something tight
    And I lift my glass to the awful truth
    Which you can’t reveal to the ears of youth
    Except to say it isn’t worth a dime
    And the whole damn place goes crazy twice
    And it’s once for the devil and once for christ
    But the boss don’t like these dizzy heights
    We’re busted in the blinding lights,
    Busted in the blinding lights
    Of closing time

    The whole damn place goes crazy twice
    And it’s once for the devil and once for christ
    But the boss don’t like these dizzy heights
    We’re busted in the blinding lights,
    Busted in the blinding lights
    Of closing time

    Oh the women tear their blouses off
    And the men they dance on the polka-dots
    It’s closing time
    And it’s partner found, it’s partner lost
    And it’s hell to pay when the fiddler stops
    It’s closing time
    I swear it happened just like this:
    A sigh, a cry, a hungry kiss
    It’s closing time
    The gates of love they budged an inch
    I can’t say much has happened since
    But closing time
    I loved you when our love was blessed
    I love you now there’s nothing left
    But closing time
    I miss you since the place got wrecked
    By the winds of change and the weeds of sex.

  112. raventalon40 says:

    Manitoba Oilers: It was a joke but know we need to sign a3lw wich is not to hard

    Yeah I know, I just wanted to point out the Oilers can’t offer sheet anybody outside of that range ($3,364,392 to $5,046,585) now, limiting our options to the following:

    Stepan, Derek »
    RFA
    Zuccarello, Mats »
    RFA
    Andersson, Joakim »
    RFA
    Nyquist, Gustav »
    RFA
    Smith, Brendan »
    RFA
    Kruger, Marcus »
    RFA
    MacDermid, Lane »
    RFA
    Johansson, Marcus »
    RFA
    White, Ryan »
    RFA
    Weise, Dale »
    RFA
    Clifford, Kyle »
    RFA
    Lewis, Trevor »
    RFA
    Nolan, Jordan »
    RFA
    Martinez, Alec »
    RFA
    Muzzin, Jake »
    RFA
    Staal, Jared »
    RFA
    Rask, Tuukka »
    RFA

    Stepan, Johansson, Clifford, Rask, and Martinez are the names that stick out for me, in terms of potential offer sheets.

    Rask probably #1, but since they signed LaBarbera I doubt they would trade Dubnyk so that’s not gonna happen.

    Would they sign Stepan and trade Gagner?

    I also really like Martinez. Very poised D-man.

  113. striatic says:

    Manitoba Oilers: It was a joke but know we need to sign a 3lw wich is not to hard

    Mason Raymond?

  114. commonfan14 says:

    bookje: I just see a huge upside for a 22 year old Paajarvi

    He scored 0.526 ppg in the AHL last year and 0.381 ppg in the NHL.

    He does some other things well, but I don’t know if a forward can have “huge” upside without more scoring than that.

  115. commonfan14 says:

    raventalon40: Yeah I know, I just wanted to point out the Oilers can’t offer sheet anybody outside of that range now

    Did offer sheets start working and I missed it?

  116. raventalon40 says:

    commonfan14: Did offer sheets start working and I missed it?

    I only listed RFA’s from teams with around 5.5 million cap space or less

  117. PunjabiOil says:

    I like MPS. That said, probably a Dvorak type of guy, best case scenario. Won’t ever be driving his line. Defensively responsible, but probably a guy cheaper to replace than it is to acquire a guy like Perron.

    Perron is a legitimate top 6 guy, signed for a very reasonable 3.8M over the next 3 years. There’s lots to like about this deal.

    To quote Lowetide, I’m having a beer, and then I’m having another.

  118. HugThePost says:

    I thought PRV was one of the players that was a MacT guy—smart, fast, defensively aware— and he was coming on offensively. So, in that respect I’m a bit surprised to see him go. I think for most of us, we need to see more of Perron. I worry most about his recent concussion.

    I think one of MacT’s next moves has to be to deal with Gagner. If he cannot sign him to the right price/term, we need to trade him now because as more time goes on, the more leverage we lose. I hope MacT is not playing the “let’s wait until another team loses a #2 center to injury” game. Gagner will be one of the defining things for MacT this summer.

  119. McSorely Head says:

    The reason we liked PRV is that he seemed to be such a nice boy. And so we wanted him to do well, which blinded us to the reality that he was just too nice. No grit, no eye glow.

  120. Jesse says:

    I’m a bit surprised at the negativity around this deal by some of the posters here. Aside from the concussion issues, there’s a lot to like. Good possession player, point producer, 25 yrs old, and what looks like (at first glance) a value contract for 3 more years. I’m a HUGE Paajarvi fan and it’s tough to see him go, but I personally don’t see this as a bad move.

  121. Lewis Grant says:

    I like Perron, but the cost is too high. Paajarvi is the type of player that will always be more valuable than people think, and thus a contract outperformer. He’s the kind of player that smart teams trade for.

    If Paajarvi was going to go, it needed to be in exchange for someone who fills a critical need. Right now, our most critical need is for a top 4 (really a top 2) D-man. I could tolerate Paajarvi in a package for Coburn. The return here isn’t filling a critical enough need.

    …Speaking of St. Louis and smart moves, if we had signed Derek Roy, we could have moved Gagner to LW (or traded him for a LW), and saved Paajarvi as trade bait for Coburn.

    I know, I know, someone’s going to point to the need for size and crust and jam and all that. Detroit’s had a 22-year playoff run by focusing on hockey smarts over size. Maybe we should do more of that. We picked a guy at #22 overall a few years back based on his hockey IQ, not his size. I think there’s about 19 teams wishing they had done the same.

  122. justDOit says:

    Jesse: Setogouchi has 1 year left on his contract. Perron has 3. That’s probably why.

    Almost $4M per for three years, for a winger who has missed 96 games due to concussion (per his TSN page), and has hit the 20 goal mark exactly twice. Just under 200 points in 340 games. I don’t see the value in the longer contract here, and think the 2nd rounder should have been going the other way.

    In the words of Homer (Simpson), while standing in the parking lot of ‘Bob’s RV Roundup’, moments after his credit for the Ultimate Behemoth was rejected, “I can’t go away empty handed, Bob.”

    But hey – I don’t have an MBA, so I’ll shut my mouth now.

  123. rooster_monkey says:

    I think we are a better hockey team after this trade but it doesn’t change that fact that I would have liked to see MP succeed here after all of the ups and downs.

    I just hope that Perron can stay healthy.

  124. wheatnoil says:

    WOWY stats for Perron

    2009/10 – 10 out of 17 players were better with Perron than without. That year he was 5th (out of 14 forwards, min 40 games) in RelCorsi playing easy-ish competition (10/14 toughest) and easy-ish zone starts (4/14 easiest). In summary, he played soft-ish minutes and did reasonably well (though not killer).

    2010/11 – Lost to injury. Sample size is too small for analysis.

    2011/12 – 2 out of 17 players were better with Perron, 15 out 17 were better without!! That year he was 11th (out of 14, min 40 games) in RelCorsi playing tough competition (3rd toughest) and tough zone starts (3rd toughest). The zone starts and competition might explain his poor WOWY and RelCorsi. So he played pretty tough minutes, and struggled in possession, but wasn’t completely destroyed.

    2013 – 10 out of 17 players were better with Perron, 1 was exactly the same, 5 were worse. This last year he was 5th (out 14 forwards, min 20 games) in RelCorsi, playing reasonably tough competition (4th toughest among forwads), and middle of the road zone starts (7 out of 14). In summary, he didn’t get the toughest minutes, but he didn’t get easy minutes either, and did reasonably well with possession. In that environment, more players did better with Perron than without.

    Overall, I’d say Perron has been improving year over year. He struggled in 2011/12, getting the tough minutes but by possession numbers has solidly placed himself as a second line winger and should destroy soft competition but doesn’t need to be overly sheltered to be successful.

  125. Profit says:

    For those bemoaning the loss of the ability to offer sheet *certain* players… your consternation implies that the Oilers would use an offer sheet. Give it a rest, it won’t happen. I’d put down dollars on there being 0 NHL offer sheets this year.

    As for the trade. Right now Perron > MPS.

    In 4 years MPS may > Perron, but aren’t we all worried about burning Hall/Nuge/Yak contract years? Wasn’t the discussion here about trading some pieces to get better? Sucks that it is MPS but the Oilers are a better team now. Right now. Not in 3 years.

  126. Profit says:

    Dan Tencer @dantencer
    MacT says the analytical guys the team employs love Perron.

  127. Jesse says:

    justDOit: Almost $4M per for three years, for a winger who has missed 96 games due to concussion (per his TSN page), and has hit the 20 goal mark exactly twice. Just under 200 points in 340 games. I don’t see the value in the longer contract here, and think the 2nd rounder should have been going the other way. In the words of Homer (Simpson), while standing in the parking lot of ‘Bob’s RV Roundup’, moments after his credit for the Ultimate Behemoth was rejected, “I can’t go away empty handed, Bob.”But hey – I don’t have an MBA, so I’ll shut my mouth now.

    I dunno man, under 4 MM for a 2nd liner who isn’t a soft minutes guy is a deal imo.

  128. rooster_monkey says:

    Profit:
    Sucks that it is MPS but the Oilers are a better team now. Right now. Not in 3 years.

    This pretty much sums up my feelings… I think many of us have an attachment to homegrown talent and this is a hard reminder that professional sports is the business of winning (even as fans).

  129. rich says:

    Sorry to see MPS go, but like the potential w/Perron who seems to have more of a scoring touch.

    BTW – nice WOWY number’s Wheatandoil. Would also think that the 11/12 numbers might also have been affected coming off the concussion. As we saw w/Jarrett Stoll, it takes time to fully recover. It may be that 2013 is more reflective of 10/11 – in which case, I like what we’re getting.

  130. wheatnoil says:

    rich:
    BTW – nice WOWY number’s Wheatandoil.Would also think that the 11/12 numbers might also have been affected coming off the concussion.As we saw w/Jarrett Stoll, it takes time to fully recover.It may be that 2013 is more reflective of 10/11 – in which case, I like what we’re getting.

    I should have added that I used Relative Corsi since almost everyone on the Blues had a positive Corsi (good team and all) but it’s worth mentioning that even in 10/11 when Perron “struggled” with possession numbers, he struggled RELATIVE to the rest of the Blues players. He was still a positive Corsi that year.

  131. namflashback says:

    Actual NHL player(tm) who has been marinated in Hitchcock’s system for a few years now.

    MacT has analytical guys whose spreadsheets love the player.

    Improve now, not just later.

  132. bookje says:

    Profit:
    Dan Tencer @dantencer
    MacT says the analytical guys the team employs love Perron.

    Hmmm, ok, but I would like to see the analytics. I hope they don’t say he is ‘Clutch’.

    I shouldn’t comment until I think about things more. Hopefully this works out OK. Sad to see Pääjärvi go, but perhaps I am overvaluing ‘hopes and dreams’.

  133. BG14 says:

    Can’t believe the backlash on here for this trade. The LT comment consensus generally seems to be skill>size. Make the team better, size or “jam” be damned. Well that sure happened today. I’ve always thought of Perron as a reasonable comparable for Gagner. Both ’07 draft picks, about the same size (Perron is an inch and 5-10 lbs bigger I believe) and scoring numbers about the same. Perron’s best year was ~60 pt pace, just like Gagner’s, however both hover around 0.5 pts/g over their careers (with Perron having the edge there, however the concussion is worrisome).

    Anyways, we needed a 2nd line LW badly. This ensures that Nail gets to stay on the right side where he was just a completely different player than when Ralph had him on the left. Sure, it opens up a hole in the 3L spot, but I’d say Jones/Smyth/Joensuu are closer to being able to fill that role than Magnus was to filling the 2L slot. Don’t get me wrong, I love Paajarvi, think he’s great and will continue to get better. But the Oilers are a better team today than they were yesterday. Progress.

  134. Jon K says:

    Great trade. I think we overpay a little with the 2nd rounder but the value is reasonable for both sides I think. We may think differently if Perron gets concussed in preseason, but otherwise this gives us a bona fide top six.

    Hall-RNH-Eberle
    Perron-Gagner-Yakupov

    Nice! (I’ll never use LT’s backwards system, NEVER!)

    EDIT: Can’t believe people are against this trade. Perron has an established track record as a genuine offensive player in the NHL. He’s clearly an offensive upgrade on Paajarvi, who is likely destined to be a 2/3 line tweener. No doubt, there’s value in those guys but jeeze, this an upgrade using a pick to make up the difference. I thought we wanted management to make these trades?

  135. bookje says:

    BG14,

    To add to your thought, maybe this softens Gagner’s willingness to sign if he feels he is ‘safe’ at centre and will be able to put some points up.

  136. goldenchild says:

    Like MPS a lot and think hes going to have a terrific career but its hard to be upset with this deal. if healthy they have certainly upgraded in the short term, Peron’s posession numbers are qualit,y brings offence and can play against decent comp. Hes also signed to decent cap number for the next 3 years.

    The 2nd rd pick is probably overkill but really the Oilers are a better team today and probably for the next 2 or 3 seasons for sure. Im not convinced MPS will ever bring a lot of offence but I do see him playing important roles on good teams. Sucks to see him go but on the other hand what other chip did they have?

    In the end i think they probably felt like they would be able to replace MPS’s best qualities easier than what Perron will bring. I can see that being true.
    This does leave the 3rd line in shambles, so MacT has lots still left to do, dealing hemsky probably brings some 3rd line help and plenty of value still on the board in FA.

  137. Gerta Rauss says:

    My initial reaction to this deal is that Mac T paid a premium for Perron-not necesarily a huge overpay, but certainly premium pricing.

    I like Paajarvi, I wish him well.

    Perron’s concussion history scares the bejeezuz out of me.

  138. Kris11 says:

    I like Perron. He brings more offense, and offense costs when you trade for it in the NHL

    MPS plus a second seems a little too steep. Maybe a third or 4th would be more reasonable. But I’m guessing this was a case where MacT had to outbid others, so you’re not gonna be able to steal a player.

    He should round out the lineup. At this point, I’d keep Hemsky, sign a 4th line C, sign Gagner, sign Gilbert, and roll into the season and see how it goes.

    Hall-RNH-Eberle (toughs)
    Perron-Gagner-Yakupov (soft)
    Jones-Gordon-Hemsky
    Smyth-Lander/UFA-Joensuu

    Smid-Petry
    Ference-Gilbert
    N.Schultz-J.Schultz
    Belov

    Dubnyk
    Labarbera

    That might just get you to the big dance, if RNH, J. Schultz, and Yakupov continue development at a reasonable rate.

  139. justDOit says:

    Jesse,

    And three years of committed $$$ for a guy who has already missed over a season with noggin problems doesn’t give me any warm, fuzzy feelings. Sure, other players have left concussions behind them, but there’s plenty of risk there.

    In looking for positives – at least we got rid of the guy who made Gagner appear short.

  140. bookje says:

    I don’t know, I just checked Pääjärvi’s umlaut/60 and his rel-diacritic and in both categories he leads the league!

  141. Tarkus says:

    Not that Tuukka Rask was ever an O/S possibility, but he can be crossed off the list meow:

    Sportsnet ‏@Sportsnet 5m

    RT @reporterchris Tuukka Rask gets a $56M, eight-year extension from the #bruins.

  142. slopitch says:

    Great trade! Perron plays hard minutes and should at the least help be able to help push the puck up the river for Yak/Gagner.

  143. wheatnoil says:

    Tarkus:
    Not that Tuukka Rask was ever an O/S possibility, but he can be crossed off the list meow:

    Sportsnet ‏@Sportsnet 5m

    RT @reporterchris Tuukka Rask gets a $56M, eight-year extension from the #bruins.

    Puts Bruins over the cap… I wonder if Chris Kelly shakes loose. He had a 57% face-off percentage last year. A bit over-priced for a 4th line centre though, he makes the same money and term as Gordon.

  144. hags9k says:

    I’m going to miss Maggie that’s for sure, and wouldn’t be surprised if we regret this trade. He hadn’t even scratched the surface on what will be a long long career.

    Wish it was somebody coming back who could protect the kids though….but.

    Cheers to the newest Oiler, David Perron! Go get em kid.

    GOILERS!

  145. Profit says:

    Well STL fans sound mixed to unhappy:

    Jeremy Rutherford @jprutherford
    Many tweeters suggesting #stblues should have gotten more in Perron trade, but must remember they shed salary/cap and desperately needed it.

  146. RexLibris says:

    Maybe I’m just being paranoid here, but I’m beginning to wonder if Lander isn’t being included in a lot of trade proposals.

    Hemsky, Lander and a blueline prospect for a player would tick a lot of trade boxes for another GM – improving immediately and attending to future needs.

    Just a thought.

    Also, does this mean we’re done with H.O.P.E.? We still have an H and an E, and that elusive Y is there as well as a two for one in N and H. Darn it but I can’t make anything out of that alphabet soup.

  147. Jordan says:

    Manitoba Oilers:
    Time to offer sheet Paajarvi

    This. To do so, the Oilers are effectively giving up a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for Perron, which probably doesn’t hurt the Oilers a lot, but it’s still a fair chunk to give on one player.

    If they do that though, does it count as a 3 for 1?

    Profit:
    Well STL fans sound mixed to unhappy:

    Jeremy Rutherford @jprutherford
    Many tweeters suggesting #stblues should have gotten more in Perron trade, but must remember they shed salary/cap and desperately needed it.

    Probably means its reasonable value for both teams if neither team’s fans are entirely happy with it.

  148. wunderbar says:

    wheatnoil: Puts Bruins over the cap… I wonder if Chris Kelly shakes loose. He had a 57% face-off percentage last year. A bit over-priced for a 4th line centre though, he makes the same money and term as Gordon.

    They won’t be over the cap once Savard’s contract goes on LTIR. All of those contracts (Savard, Pronger, etc) are counted in Capgeek’s numbers right now because palyers aren’t on LTIR during the off season. For the Bruins look at whatever number they are at and subtact $4 Million.

  149. wheatnoil says:

    RexLibris:
    Also, does this mean we’re done with H.O.P.E.? We still have an H and an E, and that elusive Y is there as well as a two for one in N and H. Darn it but I can’t make anything out of that alphabet soup.

    THERE IS NO HOPE!!

  150. wheatnoil says:

    wunderbar: They won’t be over the cap once Savard’s contract goes on LTIR. All of those contracts (Savard, Pronger, etc) are counted in Capgeek’s numbers right now because palyers aren’t on LTIR during the off season.For the Bruins look at whatever number they are at and subtact $4 Million.

    Good point. I forgot about Savard and his LTIR.

  151. Traktor says:

    Perron is the best player in the deal.. probably just as good as Gagner tbh but I dunno..unless MacT has another deal lined up this seems like another undersized skill forward added to a group of undersized skilled forwards.

    This could be a awesome deal depending on what else MacT does.

  152. kinger says:

    Ever since he first hit the ice in 2010, I’ve had the same thoughts on Paajarvi:

    - Great skater.
    - Big body that he uses fairly ineffectively (sometimes to shield the puck on offense, rarely on the forecheck and hardly ever to separate a player from the puck while defending).
    - Relative to his other abilities, he has hands of stone.
    - A nice, friendly guy. The kind you would like to line up against if you’re playing in Edmonton that night.

    I admit I know very little about Perron. On the surface he looks like a solid top six option. I know that he has some agitator in him and that he can get under the skin of his opponents. He also embellishes quite a bit.

    On the whole, I would say that this is a great move by MacT. I, much like Punjabiol, see Paajarvi as a Dvorak type player if everything works out. It’s a lot easier to acquire a Dvorak than it is a Perron.

  153. Kris11 says:

    H.O.P.E. is gone.

    H E S Y N

    Now we have:

    Schultz
    Hall
    Yakupov
    Nugent-Hopkins
    Eberle

    The Oilers have SHYNE?

    No?

  154. Lucinius says:

    …………….

    Fuck MacT.

    My second favourite player gone… and my first (Hemsky) is likely following suite.

    I do not like this deal. I’ve never been a huge fan of Perron. I understand the trade, but Paajarvi was the wrong second tier player to move.

    I understand my personal preferences are clouding my judgment, but I don’t just watch hockey for my team to win; I watch it to be entertained — and Paajarvi was a player I enjoyed watching. Perron isn’t and I will say it now; in three years this deal will look atrocious.

  155. RexLibris says:

    wheatnoil: THERE IS NO HOPE!!

    Didn’t realize you were a Flames fan.

    ;)

  156. prairieschooner says:

    I am sad to see MPS go but he was always going to be one of the trading chips.
    They interviewed Andy Strickland and what I took from it is that Perron is a rink rat who can play LW or RW but may hang onto the puck a bit too much. Hopefully he can overcome that issue if he clicks with Gags and Yak

  157. gogliano says:

    I take captain happy’s failure to comment quickly as a sign that we won the deal.

  158. Traktor says:

    Just waiting for DSF to drop by and tell us we lost the deal.

  159. wheatnoil says:

    RexLibris: Didn’t realize you were a Flames fan.

    Nice!

  160. RexLibris says:

    My impressions of Perron were that he always played larger than his body size and was the kind of name that one heard a lot of from the announcer on any given night (usually in an effective light).

    I’ve thought of Paajarvi as a Dvorak-type player for awhile, with potential to be more, but that is the essence of the deal: we acquired a known quantity that is signed for term at a relatively low cap hit and gave up potential that is insured by the inclusion of a 2nd round pick.

    I’m not certain I’m happy with the deal either, but I think that speaks more to my emotional attachment to this cluster of young players and an air of caution at the acquisition of new talent.

    Perron likely attends to a few of MacTavish’s needs in a player what has a physical edge, agitates and can skate with skill. Perron likely will be on a line with Gagner and Yakupov, and if he can keep his head up and his stick down points should come.

  161. theres oil in virginia says:

    Oilers have honey:
    Hall, Nuge, Yak
    HNY

    Honey from the rock, as they say. The rock being rock-bottom.

  162. Obiwan Eberle says:

    Kris11:
    H.O.P.E. is gone.

    H E S Y N

    Now we have:

    Schultz
    Hall
    Yakupov
    Nugent-Hopkins
    Eberle

    The Oilers have SHYNE?

    No?

    SHYNE on!

  163. Obiwan Eberle says:

    Lucinius,

    Your favorite 2 Oilers were MPS and Hemmer???

    Are you not well?

  164. Lucinius says:

    Ugh. Perron barely out-scored Paajarvi last season in a points per minute played basis, too (1.74 points per 60 minutes for Perron, 1.62 for Paajarvi — who’s several years younger, larger and cheaper). Throw in Paajarvi’s defensive acumen for his age and I don’t see how Paajarvi isn’t the better player at 25 then Perron is now.

    Improves the Oilers now, will be a gut punch every year after.

  165. Lucinius says:

    Obiwan Eberle,

    And Smid is my third favourite and LT is always trying to trade him!!!

  166. spoiler says:

    RexLibris: Maybe I’m just being paranoid here, but I’m beginning to wonder if Lander isn’t being included in a lot of trade proposals. Hemsky, Lander and a blueline prospect for a player would tick a lot of trade boxes for another GM – improving immediately and attending to future needs.Just a thought.Also, does this mean we’re done with H.O.P.E.? We still have an H and an E, and that elusive Y is there as well as a two for one in N and H. Darn it but I can’t make anything out of that alphabet soup.

    I’ve been thinking this for awhile too, Rex. Not about how to resolve the alphagetti, but that Lander is likely being used as a trade chip. I think it is highly likely we are correct.

  167. spoiler says:

    As for the alphagetti, we switched a P for a P, lost an O and have a Y.

    HYPE!

  168. G Money says:

    Good lord … we just traded a defensively aware 3LW (with as yet unrealized potential to be better) for an established gritty 2LW on a decent contract, paying a 2nd round pick as the differential.

    I am sad to see MPS going the other way but:
    - For those previously decrying MacT for not doing anything – did you think he could make trades to get good players without giving up anything good?
    - Magnus is still an unsigned RFA
    - I would rather have a gap at 3LW to fill via free agency than a gap at 2LW to fill via free agency

    Like the trade. Hope Perron’s noggin can stay healthy.

  169. Tarkus says:

    Kris11:
    H.O.P.E. is gone.

    H E S Y N

    Now we have:

    Schultz
    Hall
    Yakupov
    Nugent-Hopkins
    Eberle

    The Oilers have SHYNE?

    No?

    Or the Oilers can acquire the likes of Jake Allen, Karl Alzner, or some other A-list A-player/prospect (Will Acton won’t cut it), then we can have

    H all
    Y akupov
    E berle
    N ugent-Hopkins
    A __________
    S chultz, J.

    HYENAS!!!

  170. Lucinius says:

    G Money:
    Like the trade.Hope Perron’s noggin can stay healthy.

    You do realize Perron is now an Oiler and will likely suffer a concussion by breaking a skate blade, while walking out on the ice for the first practice, and smash his head into the ground and get a season ending concussion?

  171. G Money says:

    Hall-Yak-Nuge-Ebs-Schultz

    HYNES … our young players are ketchup? A bunch of asses? Underwear?

  172. HugThePost says:

    I’d say his shoulders are more at risk when he enters Rexall…………..

  173. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Cullen’s take away:

    “Immediately, the Oilers are better because of this deal, but both teams are still banking on potential. Perron is talented, but injuries stalled his career ascent, so he could still become more than what he’s shown to this point in his career and the Blues are not only hoping for Paajarvi to turn into a productive player but, ideally, one that doesn’t cost quite as much.

    This is the kind of deal that gets made in a salary cap league, where teams have to prioritize their assets and if finding a reasonable lineup alternative to Perron comes cheaper for the Blues, allowing them to spend elsewhere, then both teams could get what they want out of it.”

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=427430

  174. wheatnoil says:

    Lucinius: You do realize Perron is now an Oiler and will likely suffer a concussion by breaking a skate blade, while walking out on the ice for the first practice, and smash his head into the ground and get a season ending concussion?

    His head will be fine… I’m more concerned about ankles and shoulders.

  175. jonrmcleod says:

    Lucinius:
    Ugh. Perron barely out-scored Paajarvi last season in a points per minute played basis, too (1.74 points per 60 minutes for Perron, 1.62 for Paajarvi — who’s several years younger, larger and cheaper). Throw in Paajarvi’s defensive acumen for his age and I don’t see how Paajarvi isn’t the better player at 25 then Perron is now.

    Improves the Oilers now, will be a gut punch every year after.

    When did 2.9 become “several”?

  176. G Money says:

    Lucinius: You do realize Perron is now an Oiler and will likely suffer a concussion by breaking a skate blade, while walking out on the ice for the first practice, and smash his head into the ground and get a season ending concussion?

    You have that *totally* wrong. He will in fact break a skate blade while walking out on the ice for the first practice, and smash his *shoulder* into the *boards* and get a season ending *separation*.

    Sheesh man, don’t you watch our team at all??

  177. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    blues taking Gene’s thunder with the bad puns:

    http://blues.nhl.com/index.html

    “magn-etic” “easy as paaj”

  178. Lucinius says:

    wheatnoil,

    Tell that to Hall who had a skate blade nearly open his head like a melon!

    Basically; players on the Oilers suffer freak, wtf!? injuries.

    And then on top of that they have a shoulder injury quota to hit.

  179. Lucinius says:

    jonrmcleod,

    Its more than two, but less than ‘many’.

    The very definition of several.

  180. DBO says:

    Would have been nice to keep MPS and still get the 2LW. But you gotta give to receive, and we received the best player in the deal who makes us better, brings more grit, is a better 5v5 player and is on a decent and not crazy contract. Now if MacT can get Kulemin for a prospect and Boyle from the Rags for Lander (money savings) then I’ll be happy, I’ve been a huge supporter of Lander, but his best bud just got dealt and we are going Russian, not Nordic now, so move on.!

  181. Smarmy says:

    My initial reaction and my more sobered second reaction both have me liking this move. Good value for both teams. Hope it works out for both.

  182. Jesse says:

    justDOit: Jesse, And three years of committed $$$ for a guy who has already missed over a season with noggin problems doesn’t give me any warm, fuzzy feelings. Sure, other players have left concussions behind them, but there’s plenty of risk there. In looking for positives – at least we got rid of the guy who made Gagner appear short.

    Well…

    1. A positive Corsi Rel (5th among forwards on STL) on a very good possession team.
    2. 4th toughest comp on STL last year
    3. 1.58 Pts/60 with a PDO of 990
    4. An established player with success at the NHL level.

    There’s some positives for ya! ;)

  183. Bag of Pucks says:

    Well that’s one way to end contract negotiations with an RFA.

    Like the player coming back. 2nd rounder as the sweetener seems a tad much but I guess that’s how you close the gap btw prospect w/potential (Paajarvi) and proven player (Perron).

    From what I’ve seen of Perron, he is a gamer and he plays hard every shift. Outside a few notables, that has been an attribute sorely lacking with this forward corps. Suspect that will be one of MacTs signatures as a GM. Thus far, all the pro players he has acquired are known for 24/7 compete levels. Tambi talked a good game on that front while acquiring players prone to disappearing acts.

    Tempting to write off MPS as having hands of stone, but I keep thinking of that goal last season where he wheeled around and batted the puck in out the air. That was a goal scorers touch. Anomaly? Think the jury’s still out on his ceiling, but If Maggie ever gets it in him to drive the net, he’ll make the Oil regret this trade. If anyone can push him to do it, it’s Hitchcock.

  184. wheatnoil says:

    Lucinius:
    Ugh. Perron barely out-scored Paajarvi last season in a points per minute played basis, too (1.74 points per 60 minutes for Perron, 1.62 for Paajarvi — who’s several years younger, larger and cheaper). Throw in Paajarvi’s defensive acumen for his age and I don’t see how Paajarvi isn’t the better player at 25 then Perron is now.

    Improves the Oilers now, will be a gut punch every year after.

    Perron scored 1.82 p/60 in his 22 year old season (same age as Paajarvi is now). One of the differences is that Perron is now facing much more difficult competition than either he did in 2009 or Paajarvi did last year.

  185. Profit says:

    Hrm. MacT using it as a test? I wish they’d disclose what metrics they are looking at. Possession has to be one of them.

    Dan Tencer @dantencer
    Further to MacTavish on analytics about Perron: “It’ll be a good test for our analytics guys. They have him with some of the game’s elite.”

  186. Jordan says:

    Lucinius:
    Obiwan Eberle,

    And Smid is my third favourite and LT is always trying to trade him!!!

    So, what you’re saying is you have a thing for young, rich, european men? ;)

  187. wheatnoil says:

    Profit:
    Hrm. MacT using it as a test? I wish they’d disclose what metrics they are looking at. Possession has to be one of them.

    Dan Tencer @dantencer
    Further to MacTavish on analytics about Perron: “It’ll be a good test for our analytics guys. They have him with some of the game’s elite.”

    Wow… “They have him with some of the game’s elite.” That might be taking it a bit far. I wonder what stats they’re using.

  188. Lucinius says:

    Jordan,

    Well… Yakupov is my fourth favourite player…

    Lander is my fifth…

    Christ, it isn’t until my sixth favourite, Hall, that the theme gets broken..

  189. Shau-co says:

    I like it. Perron is obviously an upgrade on Paajarvi today. I just don’t see Paajarvi becoming a 2nd line winger and the jury is still out as to whether he can change his game enough to become a solid 3rd line winger. I’d rather see us try and get someone who is already programmed into being a 3rd liner than trying to adapt Paajarvi.

    Even though our top 6 do not have a lot of size, there is a fair amount of compete and determination with Hall, RNH, Yakupov and now Perron.

  190. godot10 says:

    Ken Hitchcock may have just acquired a bigger faster stronger 22-year old Jere Lehtinen.

  191. Lucinius says:

    wheatnoil,

    Fair enough. But you also have to consider who they were each playing for; Paajarvi was stuck on an Oilers team in no-man’s-land with some of the worst defensive zone systems known to man put in place the last few seasons.

    Also, I admit Perron is the better player than Paajarvi — right now, at least. The potential in Paajarvi, however, is far higher than Perron. Coupled with the larger frame… I just don’t see Paajarvi losing the bet.

    This move is probably great for Paajarvi, though. Gets him into a system where he’ll actually have a good shot at reaching his potential.

  192. justDOit says:

    Jesse,

    Let’s hope those stats follow him to a ‘not so good’ possession team. I guess we can always count on the new coach to turn things around though.

  193. Bag of Pucks says:

    Lander now the last man standing from the Harti/MPS/Lander Scandi expat club. No doubt he’s using his ‘phone a friend’ on Klefbom as we speak.

    Btw, LT have you seen Alyssa Milano at 40 in the recent issue of Maxim? I definitely nominate her for inclusion in your rotation of fine cougars alongside Diane Lane et al. Emma Watson is a great looking young lady, but I feel a tad pervy thinking of Hermione in that way!

  194. PunjabiOil says:

    Ugh. Perron barely out-scored Paajarvi last season in a points per minute played basis, too (1.74 points per 60 minutes for Perron, 1.62 for Paajarvi — who’s several years younger, larger and cheaper). Throw in Paajarvi’s defensive acumen for his age and I don’t see how Paajarvi isn’t the better player at 25 then Perron is now.

    How much is that due to St. Louis playing a more defensive system?

    Perron is only 25. Plays tougher minutes.

    Paajarvi doesn’t seem like the guy that will drive the bus on his line. He’s a perfectly capable 3rd liner -and will help his team win games. Perron gives the Oilers another weapon, a goal scorer (and goal scoring was an issue the last few years), in a presumably more open offensive system.

    MPS was a very likeable person. Sometimes you have to leave emotions at the door.

    Kudos to MacT on this day.

  195. G Money says:

    godot10: Ken Hitchcock may have just acquired a bigger faster stronger 22-year old Jere Lehtinen.

    Or a bigger faster stronger 22-year old Sergei Kostitsyn. Potential is only potential until it’s lived up to …

    Some other point notes on Perron: 29th in the league in LW scoring, 39th in LW PPG scoring. Very much a solid 2LW in other words. For the seen-him-good crowd, brings ‘tenacity’ and ‘grit’. For the stats crowd, brings positive Corsi, positive CorsiRel, and .52 PPG in just 14:00 TOI on a very good team. For the chicken littles, despite health concerns, he played in all 48 regular season games and all 6 playoff games for STL last season.

    Sober second thought and a little work on analytics, and I still like this trade.

  196. hags9k says:

    Smarmy,

    By both I hope you mean just the Oilers. ;)

  197. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    bookje:
    I don’t know, I just checked Pääjärvi’s umlaut/60 and his rel-diacritic and in both categories he leads the league!

    Olli Määttä will challenge him to a draw soon enough.

  198. Doomoil says:

    Lucinius:
    wheatnoil,

    This move is probably great for Paajarvi, though. Gets him into a system where he’ll actually have a good shot at reaching his potential.

    so he didn’t have a chance to reach that potential here? was a guaranteed third liner on the oilers? sounds like this was quite the coup then, doesn’t it.

    the idea that maggie is 100% assured to reach his full potential is laughable. might he do it? yes. will he? no one knows. being a big body is no more a guarantee that you’ll turn in to a banger than being a midget is a guarantee you’ll turn in to martin st. louis.

    i like mps, i hope he does well on the blues, but to get good players you have to give up good players.

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