FREE AGENCY POST #2: TARGET VALTTERI FILPPULA

If the Edmonton Oilers are looking for an experienced, 2-way player who can help at C or W, the Finn Filppula may be the answer.

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Filppula’s offense sputtered some this past season–and he’ll no doubt require an overpay–but there’s plenty to like about him. Let’s compare him to the player he may be replacing:

SHAWN HORCOFF 12-13

  • 5×5 points per 60: 1.34 (9th among regular forwards)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 3.13 (8th among regular forwards)
  • Qual Comp: 8th toughest among regular forwards
  • Qual Team: 8th best available teammates among regular forwards
  • Corsi Rel: -4.4 (10th best among regular forwards) (-13.77 CorsiON)
  • Zone Start: 42.1% (4th toughest, 12th easiest among regular forwards)
  • Zone Finish: 45.2% (14th best among regular forwards)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 41/17.07% (2nd among F’s>40 shots)
  • Boxcars: 31gp, 7-5-12
  • Plus Minus: +8 on a team that was -15

VALTTERI FILPULLA 12-13

  • 5×5 points per 60: 1.38 (4th among regular forwards)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 1.64 (11th among regular forwards)
  • Qual Comp: toughest among regular forwards
  • Qual Team: 7th best available teammates among regular forwards
  • Corsi Rel: 5.4 (4th best among regular forwards) (12.49 CorsiON)*
  • Zone Start: 58.9% (9th toughest, 12th easiest among regular forwards)
  • Zone Finish: 51.5% (4th best among regular forwards)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 78/11.5% (3rd among F’s>40 shots)
  • Boxcars: 41, 9-8-17
  • Plus Minus: -4

The offense is about the same, but the rest is about right (Horcoff didn’t face the toughest comp this season but that’s traditionally what he’d be doing–age is taking its toll). I think it’s reasonable to suggest a veteran like Filpulla–between Gagner and Yakupov–would give the Oilers a nice 2line option.

A couple of notes: his 5×5/60 is low compared to previous seasons (2.68) 11-12; (1.87) 10-11; (1.81) 09-10; (1.89) 08-09. The short season stats are the ones not to be trusted, I think it’s reasonable to suggest he would deliver 1.70-1.90/60 at 5×5.

Also, he can win faceoffs: 55.4% on 323 sorties this past season, 51.7% on 373 the year before. Wings don’t use him as much as they could in that situation, but I’d guess the Oilers would run him ragged if he could stay above 50%. He’s 29 years old, made $3.5M last season (cap hit $3M) and is no doubt interested in getting a raise.

I know he doesn’t knock down buildings with a single stride, but I also know MacT isn’t allergic to this kind of hockey player. He’ #1 on my list of players to pursue this summer.

The free agent list grew markedly yesterday with some interesting names (Matt Hunwick, Jonathon Blum, Matt Halischuk, Yannick Weber, depending on who clears waivers) and the Oilers do have some cap room available for procurement.

The Oilers prospects camp gets underway today, the Oilers have had a marquee player attending (at least one) for years now. Darnell Nurse offers some impressive star power, and I think Oscar Klefbom will get a lot of attention too. The newly drafted Russian (Bogdan Yakimov) is a true mountain so there will be some buzz about him I’m sure. I’m hoping Tyler Bunz shows up with ten fingers and toes, and a healthy noggin. Worried about that guy. Kale Kessy will probably get some attention too. Someone should write a book about the insane talent we’ve seen at these camps since 2010.

I’ve tried for some time to write about Paul Lorieau’s passing, and was saved moments ago by Terry Jones. Oiler fans are united today and mourn the loss of a true gentleman who conducted himself with class every step of the way.

MacT’s probably spending nights looking out the window instead of sleeping these days, but I think the best thing about the new GM is that the moves made so far do not involve an insane trade or a crazy contract. He goes to market this day fully aware that an overpay is likely required for the target, but that the target will be 27 or 29 or 32–not 36  or 37. Godspeed, Craig MacTavish.

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145 Responses to "FREE AGENCY POST #2: TARGET VALTTERI FILPPULA"

  1. Caribbeerman says:

    We desperately need a quality Finn!

  2. theres oil in virginia says:

    How ’bout Horcoff between Gagner and Yakupov? Just saying.

    Tough loss regarding Lorieau. I didn’t know he was sick. He was supposed to live forever.

  3. Lowetide says:

    theres oil in virginia:
    How ’bout Horcoff between Gagner and Yakupov?Just saying.

    Tough loss regarding Lorieau.I didn’t know he was sick.He was supposed to live forever.

    I think Horcoff between Gagner and Yakupov is a solid idea. Trading Horcoff gives this team a headache.

  4. Caribbeerman says:

    Given all that has been said (MacTavish comments about it better for him to move on) and done (Horcoff selling his house) do you see a scenario where Horcoff can enthusiastically return to Edmonton and have a positive, productive season?

    I suppose the answer to that is “yes” but it would depend largely on the relationship between Horcoff and the new coach who seems to understand these motivational issues.

    A motivated, passionate Horcoff is going to be better than whatever we get back in a trade, but has he left the building already?

  5. theres oil in virginia says:

    Lowetide: Trading Horcoff gives this team a headache.

    It’s been giving me a headache, too. Of all the “impending transactions” that I thought would happen right after the SCF, the dealing of Horcoff and Hemsky, as well as the Gagner signing, are the ones that have me glued to the internet.

  6. Lowetide says:

    Horcoff is a fitness nut and a guy who has gone to battle every night for a decade and then longer. MANY of those nights he was doomed but he hung in there. I don’t know if he WANTS to come back, but 10 minutes in a room together with Eakins and they’d probably be lifting desks over their heads.

  7. Oiler_in_Mexico says:

    Caribbeerman:
    Given all that has been said (MacTavish comments about it better for him to move on) and done (Horcoff selling his house) do you see a scenario where Horcoff can enthusiastically return to Edmonton and have a positive, productive season?

    I suppose the answer to that is “yes” but it would depend largely on the relationship between Horcoff and the new coach who seems to understand these motivational issues.

    Horcoff (and MacT) are smart men and I can see MacT convincing Horcoff to stay this season with the increased chance of being traded to a contender closer to next years trade deadline. I can also see that Horcoff giving up the “C” willingly to relieve himself of that stress.

  8. theres oil in virginia says:

    Also, part of the reason he was so down lately was his role on the team, ie – 3rd line checking center. (Seems to me like that what many of the fans don’t like either – too expensive to be 3rd line checker.) If the Oilers are giving up on Gagner as center, why not put Horc back at 2nd line center? I think he can still be plenty productive, with linemates like Gagner and Yak.

  9. godot10 says:

    Do the Oilers think of Horton as a centre? They can’t really afford him as a RW. Does Horton want to play centre?

  10. Traktor says:

    If Horcoff is back then MacT failed.

    MacT said himself that its best for both parties to move on.

    Hemsky needs to GTFO as well.

    I have more faith in Mac as a GM than coach so I expect those guys will be gone.

    Then sign Filppula and flip Gags for help on D.

    Then sign Clarkson for whatever he wants.

    Bryz for 2 years at 5M? Yuppers.

  11. theres oil in virginia says:

    Traktor,

    That’s a bit inconsistent. MacT also said:
    “We as an organization have to start rewarding people who really embody the characteristics that we hold in high regard going forward. Sam, in my mind, really fits that.”

    So, by your standard above, why isn’t trading him now failure?

  12. Hall Awaits says:

    Is today the day we see the Belanger Triange finally set sail to the waiver wire? I

  13. Traktor says:

    theres oil in virginia:
    Traktor,

    That’s a bit inconsistent.MacT also said:
    “We as an organization have to start rewarding people who really embody the characteristics that we hold in high regard going forward. Sam, in my mind, really fits that.”

    So, by your standard above, why isn’t trading him now failure?

    MacT also said there was a price point with Gagner.

    MacT also said we have too many of the same type players.

    I know which skill guys I’m keeping.

    I wouldn’t mind keeping Gags but I’m not overpaying him and Hemsky isn’t going to land us that #1D.

  14. Shau-co says:

    Traktor,

    No no no to Bryz. He was good in Phoenix because of a very strong system. But, he is a bit off in the dressing room and imo not an upgrade on Dubnyk.

    I don’t understand how people keep wanting to see all of our centres traded away… If we move out Horcoff, we need Gagner more than ever. Plus he is still very young and has some upside. He’s a competitor with some good offense. He definitely needs some improvement on the defensive side, but bringing in a Filpulla to allow Gagner to play some shifts at RW is a fantastic idea. Plus we know the Finn is a strong two-way winger who can maybe help Yaks and Gagner along in that regard.

  15. gangplank says:

    Isnt Filpulla camp asking for ~ 5.5 mil/ yr thats what I gathered from detroit based writer’s twitter accounts. Is he worth that much? or should be pay up just for the sake of it

  16. Gret99zky says:

    I expect the Finn will re-sign with Detroit.

    I also expect to see Horcoff, Hemsky, and Belanger back this season.

    It wouldn’t surprise me to see Fistric or Khabby back on one year deals.

    At least until MacT figures out how to make a trade.

  17. theres oil in virginia says:

    Traktor:
    MacT also said there was a price point with Gagner.

    True, but he also said he’d welcome Horcoff back if the right deal isn’t there. My point is that if one of those things is failure (keeping Horcoff), then so is the other (trading Gagner). Don’t get me wrong, I’m not against seeing Filpulla come here, I’m just not anxious to see productive players (Horcoff, Hemsky, Gagner) go out the door. I don’t see any one of those players as the reason the Oilers missed the playoffs.

    I’m pretty sure Gagner won’t bring back a #1 D-man either.

  18. bookje says:

    I think the best thing about the new GM is that the moves made so far do not involve an insane trade or a crazy contract.

    You know, that was exactly what we said about the old GM!

  19. misfit says:

    How about Gagner between _____ (Paajarvi/Umberger/etc) and Yakupov?

    I’m starting to think I’m the only person who a) wants to see Gagner remain and Oiler, b) prefers him at C, and c) believes he fills the #2C spot quite well.

  20. maudite says:

    If we had j jokinen, for less than we paid in picks to get brown and smithson, signed to a decent contract…how would that change this list?

    Sorry, I just struggle to give anyone who was involved in a management capacity last year a pass on that one. It’s as beyond dumb we didn’t grab him off waivers in hindsight as it was at the time.

    I can’t help but approach our new gm with a lot of trepidation. In a market that included the likes of Jim nil we went inhouse, again, I hate to stay in the dark cloud but Mact is going to have to make me a believer. So far, I would say he’s batting average. It’s early and ill give him that, but I can’t say I can let go of the hiring process and seriously pretend that all the ‘bad’ can neatly be placed at the feet of tambo. Just see that way too much in business. Guy gets sacked, no real management shift but “don’t worry all the bad was that guy, we (the almost completely same team with an inhouse promotion) are totally going to be better!”

  21. gangplank says:

    misfit,

    I am ok with gagner at 2nd line center at a reasonable cap hit and if we cant find a better player to fill the role. Everytime you can get a better player at any position, you go for it as long as the price is reasonable. Gganer can be 2nd line LW or Center. If we can find a player like Nathan Horton, then dont need to get a 2nd line center. If we can get Stephen Wiess or Filpulla, then we can employ Gagner as a winger.

    If we can get both Wiess and Horton, then we can use Gagner as a trading chip.

  22. maudite says:

    Not getting fleeced at draft is a plus.

    Publicly professing lack of faith in your goalie who is, at worst, league average and a capable starter…huge negative.

    Stirring the drama on your solid foot soldier captain publicly so it will be an even bigger mess if it ends up in your best interest to keep him….huge negative.

    Talking about math…maybe a plus?

    Sacking another coach after you professed support and doing it very ungracedully…neutral to negative. Like the move, should have been handled better.

  23. Dominoiler says:

    Sorry to hear about Paul Lorieau.. he was an oiler icon, in a similar vein as Rod Phillips n Joey Moss (part of the oiler peripheral fam through the glory years and all my memory of the team)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_ghwXLBnVo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    Good memories..

  24. Dominoiler says:

    As much as this makes me laugh, “10 minutes in a room together with Eakins and they’d probably be lifting desks over their heads”, I can’t stand the thought of horcoff flubbing any more muffins towards the oppositions goal (at best).. time seems to allow us to forget how bad it got for this player.. yak deserves better, imo..

    Not a really a fan of trying to sign Fillpula, but that qual of comp is encouraging.. clarkson would be my target but don’t think he’ll sign out west.. has gagner played left wing before, or is rw the only option besides c?..

  25. Lowetide says:

    bookje:

    I think the best thing about the new GM is that the moves made so far do not involve an insane trade or a crazy contract.

    You know, that was exactly what we said about the old GM!

    He signed Khabibulin first summer he was GM, iirc.

  26. Woodguy says:

    Traktor,

    Blank cheque for a player who’s career pts/gm is .399?

    Clarkson 426gp 170pts .399pts/gm

    Averages 8/9th toughest comp on the team (sheltered minutes)

    -32 for his career

    To pick a comparable out of thin air:

    Kyle Wellwood 489gp 235pts 0.480pts/gm

    Average 8/9th toughest comp on the team (sheltered minutes)

    +11 for his career.

    You sure you want to give Clarkson a blank cheque?

  27. rickithebear says:

    Lowetide: I think Horcoff between Gagner and Yakupov is a solid idea. Trading Horcoff gives this team a headache.

    GF% at stats.hockeyanalysis a better than 50% is a +ve GD.
    Gagner has 6 of 28 players who were better than 50%
    Hemsky
    Penner
    Cole
    MAP
    pisani
    Smyth
    All the rest below 50%
    I am a big fan of gagner’s overall performance.
    But you do not pay a 3rd comp winger large $.

    The surprisingly strong GF%
    Hall-Horcoff 3.13 gf/60 1.67 ga/60 65.2 GF%
    Horc-Yakupov 5.05 gf/60 1.01 ga/60 83.3 GF%
    Smyth-Eberle 4.52 gf/60 1.99 ga/60 69.4GF%
    MP-Eberle 4.22 gf/60 2.12 ga/60 66.7GF%

    These results say:
    Hall-Horc-Yakupov power vs Power
    MP-RNH-Eberle 2nd comp high zone start
    XXX-XXX-XXX
    Smyth-XXX-XXX

  28. rogue says:

    Lowetide;

    The Finn and Kris Russel interest me, but my concern also is Grit, Size and Nastiness. We lack this thru out the lineup. Realistically, what do you see MacT being able to get?

  29. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy:
    i looked at Wellwoods
    Wowy
    he is a player who makes his teamates better.
    he would be my pick for 3C

    B. Pouliot-Wellwood-XXX

  30. bookje says:

    Lowetide: He signed Khabibulin first summer he was GM, iirc.

    He wasn’t responsible for that, he had only been here a few months and was still deciding on his office furniture.

    Fully agree that sometimes the best deals you make are those that you don’t. The one thing to appreciate about Tambellini (after 2.0) was patience and caution. I am glad that MacT is exhibiting some of that, however, he will need to find a way to make something happen in a tough situation. I expect that he will do so given all that we have heard about his aggressiveness. I am in no panic to be critical of MacT, I will be thrilled if he fills a couple of the big gaps by fall and clears out some of the deadwood.

    I expect that he will use some short term overpays on free agents to fill positions while the team restores its reputation and further becomes a desirable destination for trade targets and free agents (and while the defensive prospects improve).

  31. Jesse says:

    I realize this past year is a small sample size, but looking at Vollman’s sledgehammer Filppula’s Off zone starts are off the charts, and you’d hope his corsi rel might be a bit higher with that kind of opportunity.
    The 48 game season is tough. Not enough information to make a solid conclusion, but enough to make you wonder.

  32. Gret99zky says:

    GM’s are allowed to talk to UFA players and handshake deals now. Hopefully this leads to something.

  33. Gret99zky says:

    Tom Gilbert is being bought out.

  34. Captain Happy says:

    The Canucks are shopping Alex Edler.

  35. Nicholas says:

    GIlbert being bought out?

    Claim him on waivers. Trade Petry+MPS+2014 1st to Philly for Coburn+Couturier? Flyers want a RHD puck mover, and Petry is cheap. That gives them more cap relief than their rumored interest in Smid. Possibility?

  36. Shleppy and the Yaks says:

    Woodguy,

    In a weak year for UFAs, I’d prefer Clark MacAuther at 3.5 ish to overpaying for Clarkson.

    Just curious, given his releativley poor offensive numbers, what is about Clarkson that makes him such a high value asset in this years UFA field? Is it intangibles like grit, toughness, compete level…or what?

  37. bookje says:

    Nicholas,

    Gilbert might be a good deal, sometimes players do well in one place only to suck elsewhere under a different coaching style/situation. He may return to form here as he did well under MacT and might also do well under Mini-Mac.

  38. Numenius says:

    rickithebear

    The surprisingly strong GF%
    Hall-Horcoff 3.13 gf/60 1.67 ga/60 65.2 GF%
    Horc-Yakupov5.05 gf/60 1.01 ga/60 83.3 GF%
    Smyth-Eberle4.52 gf/60 1.99 ga/60 69.4GF%
    MP-Eberle 4.22 gf/602.12 ga/6066.7GF%

    These results say:
    Hall-Horc-Yakupov power vs Power
    MP-RNH-Eberle 2nd comp high zone start
    XXX-XXX-XXX
    Smyth-XXX-XXX

    It’s really too bad Horcoff isn’t willing to stay one more year.

  39. godot10 says:

    Petry in any deal for Coburn makes the Oilers defense weaker, not stronger.

    The Oilers shouldn’t trade their current best all-around defensemen.

    I’d rather have Gilbert back than Coburn for three years. Coburn doesn’t play physical either. Gilbert is a far better puck mover. 2 years for Gilbert at a much reduced rate gets the Oilers to Klefbom and Marincin and maybe even Nurse.

  40. Gerta Rauss says:

    I wonder if we’re too far along in the Gilbert buyout process to offer MIN Belanger straight up for Gilbert-they can then buyout Belanger for a fraction of the price.

    These compliance buyouts don’t appear to have a waiver/waiting period however-it would appear it’s a fait accompli.

  41. Nicholas says:

    He can still be claimed – he has to be on waivers for 24 hours before he can be bought out.

    So if the Oilers (or someone else) claim him it would be just like a normal waiver pickup.

  42. Nicholas says:

    godot10,

    But Gilbert+Coburn would be better than just Petry alone, no?

    Especially if that deal also brought back another forward.

  43. tcho says:

    misfit,

    I like Gagner too, and he does have some defn. positives going for him (age, points). There are some troubling negatives though. I thought mc79′s big data series pointed to some very disturbing areas in f/o% leading to a nasty corsi for gags… maybe I was interpreting it incorrectly? Maybe a different coach/tactical response could fix this? The f/o % does trouble me for Gagner as a centre. I know he’s young still, but after this many years of experience shouldn’t he be starting to “get it?”

    Anyways, the numbers so far do not look good for Gags and f/o (and this seems to be an important facet to the game). I’m starting to lean towards Gags at wing. I also really don’t think you can afford to overpay Gags based on his fairly impressive points totals (esp. given his age). If his agent is willing to see reason, and not ask for a contract simply based on points, I’d be very happy to keep him.

  44. DBO says:

    So no one on waivers yesterday claimed?!?!?!?!?!??!? So no Humwick or russell. Both upgrades on some of our D. Humwick especially. I see no sense in this. Depth is a good thing dammit. I thought Dithers was gone.

    Gilbert now on waivers. I know some of us would like to get him to sign her. But guess what, only way to ensure he comes here is to claim him. yes I know he has a high cap hit, but we have cap space, especially once we move Horcoff and Hemsky. I say pick him up off waivers. Unless MacT is talking to him directly to see about a new deal, but seriously, just claim him dammit. He is an upgrade, and gives us depth. you know depth, that crazy thing playoff teams have.

  45. godot10 says:

    Nicholas:
    godot10,

    But Gilbert+Coburn would be better than just Petry alone, no?

    Especially if that deal also brought back another forward.

    No. Two flawed defensemen do not equal and aren’t better than one good defensemen.

    It is far easier to find a good centre than it is to find a good defensemen.

  46. tcho says:

    DBO,

    Agreed. Would love to see us put in a claim on Hunwick. We need more NHL players, and the waiver wire is a free way to do this. Frustrating if v 3.0 continues not to pursue this line.

  47. russ99 says:

    Hall got absolutely jobbed in the all-star vote.

    How can Ovechkin can be first team RW and second team LW?

    WTF? Wow the writers really hate the Oilers.

  48. Manitoba Oilers says:

    Nathan Gerbe on Waivers

  49. DBO says:

    Copper & Blue ‏@CopperandBlue 2m
    If MacT could claim Gilbert, dump Schultz for a pick, trade picks (& potter?) for Coburn & sign Ranger/Hunwick, the #Oilers could be good.

    what he said.

  50. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    russ99:
    Hall got absolutely jobbed in the all-star vote.

    How can Ovechkin can be first team RW and second team LW?

    WTF? Wow the writers really hate the Oilers.

    It’s beyond whining or wondering if the voters only watch Eastern Time games. Mirtle says Hall was the 2nd actual LW on the ballots. Every last voter who ignored the explicit caution that Ovi played RW this year should forfeit the ballot. And don’t get me started on the PHWA [corrected] counting those ballots and awarding 2nd allstar LW to the 1st allstar RW. They’d make up a rule on that one if it deprived Ovi or Crosby of an allstar.

  51. striatic says:

    russ99: WTF? Wow the writers really hate the Oilers.

    “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” – Hanlon’s Razor

  52. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 28m
    The really sad part, IIRC, is PHWA instructed voters via email that Ovechkin is a RW this season yet he still gets voted 2nd team LW. Unreal

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
    If you didn’t know Ovechkin played RW this season, or didn’t pick up the phone to find out, you really shouldn’t be voting for awards.

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
    Ovechkin named 1st team all-star RW AND 2nd team all-star LW embarrassing. Some guys hard to label as L or R but not Ovie, not this year.

  53. striatic says:

    i really want Colaiacovo claimed off waivers.

  54. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    striatic: “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” – Hanlon’s Razor

    Sure, but are they *smart* enough to fix this if it kept Ovi or Crosby out?

  55. striatic says:

    Нинтендо⁶⁴,

    i think they thought “Ovi wins at two positions? interesting story. let’s go with it.” without realizing how stupid it would look because of their own stupidity.

  56. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    striatic,

    They are smart enough not to run with “Ovi out because Hall won at 2 positions”
    So I’m seeing a the standard 2 sided razor: stupidity and cupidity. It covers a lot.

    If it gets a lot of play Hall will get more recognition out of this than a 2nd all star nod gives. 1st all star is his real goal.

  57. striatic says:

    Нинтендо⁶⁴: “Ovi out because Hall won at 2 positions”

    if Hall won at two positions, Hall wouldn’t be Hall. he’d be a more popular guy among the writers than Ovi and if that was the case then yes i suspect they’d [stupidly] run with it.

  58. Ribs says:

    I just get a chuckle out of individual sports awards these days. There are so many obvious mistakes that the awards lose any worth they may have once had. So now I just find it amusing how people get all worked up about them. Why care? Hah

  59. godot10 says:

    striatic:
    i really want Colaiacovo claimed off waivers.

    A guy that now both Hitchcock and Babcock have tossed in the discard bin?

  60. russ99 says:

    Gilbert: what part of 5th worst on-ice save percentage do people not understand.?

    Minnesota was a playoff team with two good goalies…

    He didn’t morph into an even average level defender in Minnesota…

  61. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    striatic,

    Stupidity covers what they not bright enough to see. Cupidity covers the shiny objects they’re smart enough to peddle.

  62. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    Ribs:
    I just get a chuckle out of individual sports awards these days. There are so many obvious mistakes that the awards lose any worth they may have once had. So now I just find it amusing how people get all worked up about them. Why care? Hah

    I’d meet that and raise you with those people that get worked up to post they don’t care. But it would be way too meta.

  63. justDOit says:

    Ribs:
    I just get a chuckle out of individual sports awards these days. There are so many obvious mistakes that the awards lose any worth they may have once had. So now I just find it amusing how people get all worked up about them. Why care? Hah

    Amen to that. And if we dig down a few more layers, we get the Espy awards. So sad that there seems to be a market for this kind of stuff.

  64. Professor Q says:

    godot10,

    He gets no cock love.

  65. jonrmcleod says:

    striatic:
    i really want Colaiacovo claimed off waivers.

    Seriously? The perpetual injury machine?

  66. striatic says:

    godot10,

    his Corsi is consistently strong, both raw and relative to opposition.

  67. Ice Sage says:

    Professor Q: godot10, He gets no cock love.

    LOL – well our coach will have to become Dallas Eakock

  68. striatic says:

    jonrmcleod: Seriously? The perpetual injury machine?

    yes. his contract is cheap and short and the Oilers have the space.

  69. theres oil in virginia says:

    striatic:
    Нинтендо⁶⁴,
    i think they thought “Ovi wins at two positions? interesting story. let’s go with it.” without realizing how stupid it would look because of their own stupidity.

    There’s a syndrome explaining that phenomenon called the “Dunning-Kruger effect”. From the link below:

    “The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their mistakes.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

  70. striatic says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    that sounds just about right.

    unfortunately i am pretty damn sure i suffer from it too, most of the time : ]

  71. Traktor says:

    Woodguy:
    Traktor,

    Blank cheque for a player who’s career pts/gm is .399?

    Clarkson 426gp 170pts .399pts/gm

    Averages 8/9th toughest comp on the team (sheltered minutes)

    -32 for his career

    To pick a comparable out of thin air:

    Kyle Wellwood 489gp 235pts 0.480pts/gm

    Average 8/9th toughest comp on the team (sheltered minutes)

    +11 for his career.

    You sure you want to give Clarkson a blank cheque?

    I would give Clarkson 5.5 x 4

    I doubt he scores 30 goals.. or even 25.. but I think he could score 20 goals and bring a lot of the things this team is missing.

  72. DBO says:

    Isn’t Clarkson a RW? Don’t we have two RW already. are we going to pay a 3rd line RW $5.5 mill, then add Eberle’s $6 mill, and Yak’s eventual $6 mill? That is a shite load of money on the RW.

  73. Kitchener says:

    Goalie news: I LOVE that Franky Palazzese is at the prospect camp. LOVE IT.

    Palazzese and John Gibson (THE John Gibson) shared the net for the Kitchener Rangers for 2 seasons. Palazzese outplayed Gibson, looked better in net, and had the confidence of the crowd over Gibson.

    This is the same John Gibson who’s considered a lock as an NHL starter with Anaheim; the same John Gibson Burke was saying may make the USA Olympic team.

    Signing Palazzese as a 20 year old free agent would make WAY more sense than drafting a 17 year old and hoping he turns out. Franky’s already done the OHL in fine fashion.

    http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/roster/show/id/1240

  74. Traktor says:

    DBO:
    Isn’t Clarkson a RW? Don’t we have two RW already. are we going to pay a 3rd line RW $5.5 mill, then add Eberle’s $6 mill, and Yak’s eventual $6 mill? That is a shite load of money on the RW.

    We paid a 3rd line center 5.5 the past 4 years or so.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Eberle or Hall gets moved to center. Its a lot easier to find a top 6 winger than it is a top 6 center and its the easiest way to keep the skill and add a different element.

    If Kane can play center so can Eberle.

  75. tcho says:

    Traktor,

    Paying Horc that much is widely (universally?) considered a mistake in hindsight. Are you saying that because we made this mistake, we would be justified in making another like it?

    If we’re going to overpay, there are two positions were it might be justifiable imo – top 4 D, 2-3 C. Other than that, you really hamstring your team going forward.

  76. striatic says:

    Traktor: If Kane can play center so can Eberle.

    that’s a huge assumption.

    Kane has significantly more speed than Eberle which makes him much better suited to the role.

  77. gcw_rocks says:

    Grabbing Gilbert off waivers would be a smart move. And I am not a Gilbert fan, per second, but if you can grab him for free, you damn well better do it rather than letting Doug Wilson or Lou whisper sweet nothings in his ears as a free agent. Gives the team the option to use Schultz as a trading chip.

  78. dessert1111 says:

    I was not a big Gilbert fan when he was here but he is absolutely an upgrade on someone like Corey Potter (who I don’t mind for a 7 guy, btw). If he is free, shouldn’t the Oilers be racing to pick him up? There were also at least 2 D on waivers yesterday I think could be upgrades. The oilers could literally build half their D with waiver pickups and have a better corps than last year.

    Even if it’s just Gilbert and Ranger as pick ups, there is enough upside in them and the rest of the group to satisfy me for this year with the huge crop of young guys on the way. Better that than overpaying for a #1 guy.

    With all these bodies available for next to nothing, things don’t look so bad. I wouldn’t mind a guy like Wellwood for the 3rd line either. Normally I wouldn’t advocate picking up a bunch of cast-offs, but this year seems like an exception.

  79. wheatnoil says:

    The problem with adding Coburn AND Gilbert is that it’s 8.5 Million in cap room between those two players. That’s hard to swallow if you can’t shed N. Schultz’s 3.5 million. Assuming they CAN trade N. Schultz, then it looks something like this:
    Coburn – Petry
    Smid – Gilbert
    Belov – J. Schultz
    Potter (or Ranger)

    Suddenly, the D is fixed for next year. However, this is not easy to achieve. The market for N. Schultz may be extremely weak, especially given the quality of D that are going on waivers right now. Particularly a 3rd pairing D with a 3.5Million cap hit. They may not be able to unload him without taking salary back. If it can be done though, this defense will still carry about a 5 million higher cap hit than last year.

  80. striatic says:

    dessert1111: The oilers could literally build half their D with waiver pickups and have a better corps than last year.

    the problem is that “better” is not “good enough”, and you end up taking on contracts that make it more difficult to get to “good enough” in the next couple of years.

  81. Kitchener says:

    Aside from Gilbert’s on-ice performance, he has ++’s in terms of mentorship & professionalism.

    One day at Famoso on Jasper I saw Gilbert, Lander, MPS and Nuge eat lunch. Gilbert picked up the tab, lead the group (talked to the servers; facilitated group conversation), was chill, handled a fan request for a group photo, etc. He connected with the kids but also did the old-guy stuff.

    If we’re not going to get the A+ defender we all hope for, I’d gladly take a B with off-ice perks than roll the dice on someone else.

  82. G Money says:

    theres oil in virginia: There’s a syndrome explaining that phenomenon called the “Dunning-Kruger effect”.From the link below:

    “The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their mistakes.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

    In B-school we drew this as a 2×2 matrix: aware/unaware and competent/incompetent. Aware competents are the building blocks of success in every venture, while unaware incompetents are unavoidable in every walk of life, and are incredibly dangerous – a disaster waiting to happen.

    (Note: MBA stands for Matrix Believers Association – if it can’t be summarized in a 2×2 matrix, it ain’t b-school worthy)

  83. wheatnoil says:

    Correction… that cap hit would only be about 2 million more than last year. I included J. Schultz’s bonuses in one but not the other and forgot that Smid made less last year. My bad.

  84. Bag of Pucks says:

    russ99:
    Gilbert: what part of 5th worst on-ice save percentage do people not understand.?

    Minnesota was a playoff team with two good goalies…

    He didn’t morph into an even average level defender in Minnesota…

    Shortly before he was traded, we had a number of posters here claiming Gilbert would be a Top 4 D-man on a legitimate Stanley Cup contender. In reality, he’s a buyout bubble player for a middle of the pack team. And this is not regression, this is the true context being revealed (i.e. that not all of Gilbert’s defensive deficiencies with the Oil were due to his having poor teammates).

    Rather than waiver wire and buyout castoffs, the Oilers should continue to focus their efforts on finding undrafted players like Torey Krug (Belov is a good start). We know what Tom Gilbert brings and it’s not worth a sequel. Oiler mgmt needs to get out of the habit of using band-aids for mortal wounds.

  85. striatic says:

    G Money: In B-school we drew this as a 2×2 matrix: aware/unaware and competent/incompetent.

    what is a example of an unaware competent?

  86. DBO says:

    Once again the waivers thing is killing me. happened when we needed a centre and Dithers did nothing. MacT I hope is not off whale hunting and missing easy and cheap opportunities to better our team.

    We could add or could have added, with nothing leaving our team to do it, a top 2 pairing dman (based on where he played last year) and a top 4 dman (previously top 2 on the Oil) in Hunwock and Gilbert.

    Hunwick-Petry
    Smid-Gilbert
    Belov-Shultz Jr.
    Shultz-Potter

    That is a more mobile, pass first d corps. No bangers except Smid, but a better more well rounded back end.

    And it would have costed us nothing, plus giving us a chip in Shultz Sr.

  87. melancholyculkin says:

    I’m jsut going to leave this here.

    http://vhockey.blogspot.ca/2010/05/forest-v-trees.html

  88. G Money says:

    striatic: what is a example of an unaware competent?

    ‘Unaware’ is actually a bit of a misdescription, as it impliest ‘knowing’ rather than ‘thinking’. Another term used is ‘conscious/unconscious’, but for obvious reasons, the phrase ‘unconscious incompetent’ also has its problems!

    The rough categorizations are like this:

    Aware/conscious:
    Incompetent – not competent, but is aware of their lack of skill and makes allowances
    Competent – is competent, but is conscious of the competence i.e. must think about the task at hand to apply the necessary skills

    Unaware/unconscious:
    Incompetent – not competent, but not aware of their incompetence – and so by default act as if they are competent. These are the people who can be truly dangerous e.g. teen drivers often fall into this category
    Competent – are competent, but do not need to think about the task at hand – they automatically do it well. Another term for it is ‘mastery’.

  89. G Money says:

    DBO:

    We could add or could have added, with nothing leaving our team to do it, a top 2 pairing dman (based on where he played last year) and a top 4 dman (previously top 2 on the Oil) in Hunwock and Gilbert.

    Interesting that, as always, Gilbert is such a polarizing figure. It seems as though people can’t shake the first-year Giveaway Gilbert images from their head, even as the last year he was here, he was easily the Oilers’ most calm defenseman, with an extremely positive good-play-to-bad-play ratio.

    A look at the Vollman charts from a year ago i.e. when both Gilbert and Coburn were having ‘good’ years, as opposed to this season where they had ‘bad’ years, suggest that both Gilbert and Hunwick would be better pickups defensively than Coburn. Interesting.

  90. Bag of Pucks says:

    G Money: Interesting that, as always, Gilbert is such a polarizing figure.It seems as though people can’t shake the first-year Giveaway Gilbert images from their head, even as the last year he was here, he was easily the Oilers’ most calm defenseman, with an extremely positive good-play-to-bad-play ratio.

    Does these “people” include Wild management who are cutting him loose after 63 games?

  91. FastOil says:

    IIRC Gilbert asked to be traded for personal reasons. Likely not going to happen.

    As for Horcoff remaining on the team and awkwardness, I think Woodguy posted that he turned down a trade, so if he is still here next year it should be fine because the attempt was made and he vetoed it. And he’s a pretty classy guy.

  92. wheatnoil says:

    FastOil:
    IIRC Gilbert asked to be traded for personal reasons. Likely not going to happen.

    As for Horcoff remaining on the team and awkwardness, I think Woodguy posted that he turned down a trade, so if he is still here next year it should be fine because the attempt was made and he vetoed it. And he’s a pretty classy guy.

    I never heard that… where did you get that info from?

  93. G Money says:

    Bag of Pucks: Does these “people” include Wild management who are cutting him loose after 63 games?

    Indeed, as I said, he had a bad year in Minnesota. Why? Who knows. Hometown pressure or distractions? Didn’t fit the system? Whatever.

    The “people” you refer to who are cutting him loose are the same “people” who traded a decent defenseman in N. Schultz to get him. For the same reason presumably as I noted above – at the time, Gilbert was easily the best defenseman on the Oilers, better indeed than Smid and Petry, and also one of the reasons why those two had a decent year with Gilbert taking on more of the tough minutes.

    It’s also understandable why Minnesota have cut Gilbert loose – they have R. Suter anchoring the D, Brodin’s development is way ahead of the charts, Gilbert had a bad year, and the Wild are in deep cap doo doo.

    But not taking advantage of another team’s misfortune just because you can’t shake your image of a player from four years ago is dumb.

  94. bookje says:

    Lowetide: I think Horcoff between Gagner and Yakupov is a solid idea. Trading Horcoff gives this team a headache.

    I have a feeling that the idea of trading Horcoff came about during a discussion with Horcoff being limited to a third line role and giving up the ‘C’ if he continues with the Oilers. Horcoff probably feels he has more to give and MacT has opened up the trade market for Horcoff largely to demonstrate to Horcoff that nobody really sees him as anything more than that (3rd line utility guy). I think this is the reason for going public with the idea of trading him and giving Horcoff and his agent permission to talk with other teams.

    I agree that he will likely return to the Oilers. He may even play a second line role (as LT suggests). I don’t think he will be captain.

  95. Lewis Grant says:

    Hall gets screwed out of 2nd team All Star by voting error. Ovechkin 1st team RW AND 2nd team LW.

    Wonder how many HHOF writers had Ovechkin at LW (where he played a total of 4 games this year)?

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=426858

  96. theres oil in virginia says:

    G Money:The rough categorizations are like this:

    Aware/conscious:
    Incompetent – not competent, but is aware of their lack of skill and makes allowances
    Competent – is competent, but is conscious of the competence i.e. must think about the task at hand to apply the necessary skills

    Unaware/unconscious:
    Incompetent – not competent, but not aware of their incompetence – and so by default act as if they are competent.These are the people who can be truly dangerous e.g. teen drivers often fall into this category
    Competent – are competent, but do not need to think about the task at hand – they automatically do it well.Another term for it is ‘mastery’.

    Every time I go out into public, I am reminded that this 2×2 matrix is horribly asymmetric.

  97. DBO says:

    Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 42s
    No one with the Jackets nor with his camp will confirm this, but I believe Nathan Horton’s site visit today was in Columbus…

    interesting. means they may shed salary

  98. wheatnoil says:

    theres oil in virginia: Every time I go out into public, I am reminded that this 2×2 matrix is horribly asymmetric.

    And now that we have the internet, you don’t even need to go out in public!

  99. Bag of Pucks says:

    G Money: Indeed, as I said, he had a bad year in Minnesota.Why?Who knows.Hometown pressure or distractions?Didn’t fit the system?Whatever.

    All the above are possibilities. Another possibility: they realized he’s a crappy defenseman and they made a mistake trading for him.

  100. Ribs says:

    Jarret Stoll suffers seizure – http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-kings-jarret-stoll-20130703,0,3268900.story

    Hope he’s okay. Raffi might have ended his playing days if this is concussion related.

  101. Shau-co says:

    DBO,

    The lack of waivers is killing me too. The only thing that will save it is if the Oilers sign one of these defenseman to a lower cap hit as a UFA…

    Also, interesting about Horton maybe going to Columbus. Makes some sense as he seems to prefer the quieter hockey markets.

    I could definitely see the Oilers making a trade with Columbus, especially now that Howson has come back. When do we start hearing the Fedor Tyutin, Ryan Johansen and Jack Johnson rumours again? I personally would much rather see Edmonton try to land Johnson or Tyutin over Coburn.

  102. denny33 says:

    Gret99zky,

    Horcoff, Hemmer and Belanger….someone has become addicted to the Draft Lottery…

  103. FastOil says:

    wheatnoil: I never heard that… where did you get that info from?

    It was from one of the blogs quoting Tambellini. I am quite sure he asked for a trade.

  104. jb says:

    Shau-co,

    I Think GM’s are aware of other GM’s situations, and in most cases not willing to bail them out.

    Wouldn’t it be worthwhile to give a guy like Ballard another shot? Lots of guys out there that could add to our Top 6.

  105. godot10 says:

    Hemsky being traded will take till after the initial UFA frenzy, after all the “sexy” names are gone.

    The Oilers will be willing to eat half his salary to get something back. If the Bruins lose Horton, and don’t land Alfredsson, they are a logical buyer at half price.

  106. godot10 says:

    jb:
    Shau-co,

    I Think GM’s are aware of other GM’s situations, and in most cases not willing to bail them out.

    Wouldn’t it be worthwhile to give a guy like Ballard another shot? Lots of guys out there that could add to our Top 6.

    How did that Barker thing work out? Don’t gamble on Ballard who couldn’t recover from hip surgery. There are guys who still can play out there.

  107. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    Gare Joyce ‏@GareJoyceNHL Capitals will win the Cup when they find an elite centre to play between Ovechkin.

  108. Gerta Rauss says:

    Нинтендо⁶⁴:
    Gare Joyce ‏@GareJoyceNHL Capitals will win the Cup when they find an elite centre to play between Ovechkin.

    Our Horcoff problems are solved!!

  109. uni says:

    Нинтендо⁶⁴: НИНТЕНДО⁶⁴ says:
    July 3, 2013 at 2:10 pm
    Gare Joyce ‏@GareJoyceNHL Capitals will win the Cup when they find an elite centre to play between Ovechkin.

    Or you know, they could just move him to center so at the very least he’ll get All-Star berths for each forward position next season.

  110. Нинтендо⁶⁴ says:

    One place the Caps won’t find that centre:

    Gare Joyce ‏@GareJoyceNHL Don’t know if he’s still a PHWA member but one guy asked me who was the centre who played between the Sedins. (Cox & Wharnsby can vouch.)

  111. denny33 says:

    G Money,

    Tom Gilbert does not hit. He does not defend well. And he does not score.

    As noted, Suter and Brodin took the monsters while Gilbert still could not defend against lighter comp.

    What is it about Tom Gilbert people like?

  112. Lois Lowe says:

    I think that the Horton news is especially interesting as it now appears not re-signing in Boston has more to do with the media and expectations of fans. It makes sense from a player’s perspective insofar as there’s always more scrutiny on free agents who sign massive deals in those cities. If you’re going for a big payday (and I don’t think there’s any reason not to if you have the chance to be an UFA), may as well think about how that deal is perceived in your new town.

  113. uni says:

    Joyce is on a roll today, already beat me to it:

    Gare Joyce ‏@GareJoyceNHL 3h
    You’re asking to move him to move over from the wings? @brendonkuhn @Sportsnetmag Could Ovechkin fill his Centre void?

  114. Woodguy says:

    Shleppy and the Yaks:
    Woodguy,

    In a weak year for UFAs, I’d prefer Clark MacAuther at 3.5 ish to overpaying for Clarkson.

    Just curious, given his releativley poor offensive numbers, what is about Clarkson that makes him such a high value asset in this years UFA field?Is it intangibles like grit, toughness, compete level…or what?

    I’ve been pimping MaCarthur for a while, solid 2LW.

    Love the name btw.

  115. uni says:

    denny33,

    Tom Gilbert does deliver BODYCHECKS! Tom Gilbert does hit when appropriate and doesn’t shy away from physical contact. Tom Gilbert is good defensively. Tom Gilbert was used to shelter the weakest (think raw rookie) defensemen on the Wild this season.

    Theo Peckham, Colten Teubert, and Alex Plante all deliver BODYCHECKS! Unfortunately they can’t do much else, such as playing hockey, they also usually can’t catch up with anyone to hit them, and often leave themselves out of position while trying to make said hits. I would take Tom Gilbert over all 3 of them any day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

  116. Woodguy says:

    Traktor: I would give Clarkson 5.5 x 4

    I doubt he scores 30 goals.. or even 25.. but I think he could score 20 goals and bring a lot of the things this team is missing.

    I agree that he could bring a heavy presence to the 2nd line, which is needed.

    I think MaCarthur has a better track record vs. tougher comp and a better scoring rate, and probably cheaper.

    Both would help the Oilers.

  117. Bag of Pucks says:

    denny33:
    G Money,

    Tom Gilbert does not hit. He does not defend well. And he does not score.

    As noted, Suter and Brodin took the monsters while Gilbert still could not defend against lighter comp.

    What is it about Tom Gilbert people like?

    It’s the flow!

    When your hometown team gives up on you after only 63 games, that says a LOT.

    He’s playing his way out of this league. Once he does, it will be interesting to see what excuses the Gilbert apologists can make for him then.

  118. LMHF#1 says:

    Woodguy:
    I think MaCarthur has a better track record vs. tougher comp and a better scoring rate, and probably cheaper.

    Both would help the Oilers.

    Isn’t MacArthur more of a 3LW option though? Between the injuries and the scattered production record, it’d be better to have him deeper in the order.

  119. LMHF#1 says:

    Bag of Pucks:the Gilbert apologists

    I’ll start making T-shirts for us.

    Sounds like a horrible garage band.

  120. Bag of Pucks says:

    Assuming for a moment that the Oil are looking at a D depth chart like this heading into camp:

    Petry
    Smid
    Belov
    Schultz Sr
    Schultz J

    Klefbom/Fistric/Potter
    Fedun/Marcincin

    I’m wondering why the fanbase is so keen on waiver wire or buyout D options?. In looking at the above, the depth chart fairly screams out that the Oiler need 1 if not 2 Top 4 calibre defenseman with a glut of candidates for the 5-7 range on hand. Why add more filler at the bottom?

    If the choice is a player like Hunwick or Russell, then I think the team is better served by giving Klefbom the minutes and growing pains, because at the very least, he projects as a Top 4 D. Unless he’s clearly not ready and A bound, I’d rather the Oil go with Oscar over a plug who will never deliver the same upside longterm.

    That said, they DO need to get a legitimate Top 4 D man with experience via FA or trade.

    The Bruins could lose both Horton and Jagr this offseason. Would be great to see the Oil go after someone like Boychuk for Hemsky + a prospect (and likely some salary take back).

    This could be a winning Top 6 IMO with Schultz Sr as your spare

    Smid / Boychuk (or Coburn)
    Belov / Schultz Jr
    Klefbom / Petry

  121. G Money says:

    Bag of Pucks: All the above are possibilities. Another possibility: they realized he’s a crappy defenseman and they made a mistake trading for him.

    Indeed, that is a possibility. Two years of being the best defenseman on the Oilers suggest otherwise.

    That makes the wise bet that last year was simply a bad year.

    Time will tell which is true.

    denny33:
    G Money,
    Tom Gilbert does not hit. He does not defend well. And he does not score.

    As noted, Suter and Brodin took the monsters while Gilbert still could not defend against lighter comp.

    What is it about Tom Gilbert people like?

    Tom Gilbert is not a big hitter, but he hits more than he’s given credit for.

    From 2007 to 2011, Tom Gilbert put up an average of about 0.35ppg, or 30+ points per season, with a career high of 45 points. This puts him consistently in the top 40 or so in D scoring the league. To suggest he “doesn’t score” is asinine.

    I will take issue with your comment that he does not defend well.
    In 2010 (the last season for which there are complete Oiler statistics on him), Gilbert:
    - led the team in defensive TOI
    - led the team in defensive GP
    - led the team in defensive CorsiRel
    - was second on the defense in points (behind Whitney’s best year)

    You may insist on assessing Gilbert from his first few years when he was a giveaway machine. I would rather look at the entire body of work.

    By eye or by stat, his last few years here, Gilbert was solid – not great, but solid – defensively.

    The only question at this point is whether we bet on last year being indicative or the previous few years being indicative of Gilbert’s ‘true’ level.

    Given he’s just 30, I would bet on the former.

    - Signed, The Gilbert Realist Club

    BTW, note that Coburn also had a bad year last year. I still would like to see him in Oiler silks.

  122. Bag of Pucks says:

    G Money: Indeed, that is a possibility.Two years of being the best defenseman on the Oilers suggest otherwise.

    1) He was Top 5 in the league in giveaways in his last full year with the Oil.
    2) Best defenseman on the worst team in the league – A little like being the best prostitute in all of Kazahkstan?

  123. godot10 says:

    The return for Hemsky discounted 50% is going to be a draft pick or a 2nd tier prospect, NOT a top 4 defensemen.

  124. Bag of Pucks says:

    godot10:
    The return for Hemsky discounted 50% is going to be a draft pick or a 2nd tier prospect, NOT a top 4 defensemen.

    That’s why I sweetened the deal with a prospect and some salary take back. Assuming that’s still not enough, what do you think it would take to pry Boychuk loose?

  125. godot10 says:

    Bag of Pucks: That’s why I sweetened the deal with a prospect and some salary take back. Assuming that’s still not enough, what do you think it would take to pry Boychuk loose?

    Boston is not losing a 2nd veteran defensemen this summer. Ference is gone. Boychuk is signed to a reasonable contract for two more years. He can’t be replaced at that cap hit in the UFA market.

    Ain’t going to happen. Bruins are a now team. A contender. They need to add a veteran D. Not subtract another one.

  126. Woodguy says:

    FastOil:
    Competent – are competent, but do not need to think about the task at hand – they automatically do it well.Another term for it is ‘mastery’.

    Gilbert said he was surprised by the trade in an interview.

  127. supernova says:

    sorry didnt have time to read the comments, so if this is out there i am not aware.

    any news on a buyout of Belanger? haven’t seen anything of it.

    I wonder if MacT has reached out to Matt Hendricks, Boyd Gordon and Maxim Lapierre.

    I think they would remake our fourth line in a good way, at a relatively low cost.

  128. Bag of Pucks says:

    godot10: Boston is not losing a 2nd veteran defensemen this summer.Ference is gone.Boychuk is signed to a reasonable contract for two more years.He can’t be replaced at that cap hit in the UFA market.

    Ain’t going to happen.Bruins are a now team.A contender.They need to add a veteran D.Not subtract another one.

    They could lose two Top 6 forwards from their playoff run (in Horton and Jagr). If they do, they may have to trade from a position of organizational strength ( Hamilton and Krug emerging) to address this and remain a now team. It’s not out of the realm of possibility.

  129. FastOil says:

    denny33:
    G Money,

    Tom Gilbert does not hit. He does not defend well. And he does not score.

    As noted, Suter and Brodin took the monsters while Gilbert still could not defend against lighter comp.

    What is it about Tom Gilbert people like?

    His Corsi was the best on the Oilers. That doesn’t mean he’s good now but he also had a low On Ice Save % last year – bad luck because he can’t control it so the tall foreheads say.

    Ballard hasn’t ever been good. Stick a fork in him and put him on a plane to Switzerland.

  130. FastOil says:

    Woodguy: Gilbert said he was surprised by the trade in an interview.

    How did you get that quote with my handle?

    I’ll try to Gargle it as I have time.

  131. Woodguy says:

    russ99:
    Gilbert: what part of 5th worst on-ice save percentage do people not understand.?

    Minnesota was a playoff team with two good goalies…

    He didn’t morph into an even average level defender in Minnesota…

    Its you who doesn’t understand ONSV%.

    It fluctuates wildy and has been shown to not be affected by the player.

    If you believe ONSV% to be a very telling stat, then here;s your top 10 Dmen all stars from last year:

    DANNYDEKEYSER 987
    NATEPROSSER 987
    DALTONPROUT 974
    STEVEEMINGER 972
    MATTGILROY 958
    RAPHAELDIAZ 957
    JOHNSCOTT 957
    PATRICKWIERCIOCH 957
    COREYPOTTER 957
    RYANWILSON 953

    Here’s your allstars from the year before:

    JAMESVANDERMEER 981
    NATHANGUENIN 971
    MICHAELSTONE 964
    ANDREASLILJA 957
    KENTHUSKINS 953
    MICHAELSAUER 953
    CHRISTANEV 952
    IANCOLE 951
    BARRETJACKMAN 948
    SHELDONBROOKBANK 947
    MIKECOMMODORE 947

    Vendemeer, Huskins and Commodore, oh my.

    Player have very little impact on ONSV%.

  132. Woodguy says:

    FastOil: How did you get that quote with my handle?

    I’ll try to Gargle it as I have time.

    Dunno.

    Weird.

    Wrong quote too, was addressing the “trade request” thing.

    He said he was surprised.

  133. Woodguy says:

    LMHF#1: Isn’t MacArthur more of a 3LW option though? Between the injuries and the scattered production record, it’d be better to have him deeper in the order.

    He has a history of being able to play the toughs and do well.

    If Gagner and Yak are 2C and 2RW, I want a vet LW who can act as the defensive conscience, but who can also put up points. MacArthur is a great fit.

  134. G Money says:

    Bag of Pucks: 1) He was Top 5 in the league in giveaways in his last full year with the Oil.
    2) Best defenseman on the worst team in the league – A little like being the best prostitute in all of Kazahkstan?

    I assume then that you also want to get rid of Dubnyk, Eberle, Gagner, Hall, Paajarvi, Petry, and Smid? They were also on that putrid team, so they can’t possibly be any good either.

    Solid reasoning, my friend, solid reasoning!

    As for the giveaways – indeed, you’re right, he was fifth in giveaways. Might be helpful to point out who his companions in that statistic were: Kovalchuk, Thornton, Schenn, Beauchemin, D. Keith, Getzlaf, B. Burns, J. Carlson, E. Karlsson, D. Doughty.

    Wow, that’s some terrible company. Two Norris winners, an Art Ross winner, a Richard winner … for the most part, what you’ve identified is an artefact of the giveaway statistic – that the more you have the puck and the more you try to make plays with the puck, the more giveaways you’ll have.

    Again – ol’ Gilby is no Suter, Keith, or Doughty – but he did demonstrate solid defensive play for two straight years, and at the right price, he would be an upgrade on any of our current bottom three. If he regains the form of a few years ago, he’s an upgrade to our top 4.

  135. FastOil says:

    Woodguy: Dunno.

    Weird.

    Wrong quote too, was addressing the “trade request” thing.

    He said he was surprised.

    I can’t find anything on the interwebs so I must be wrong about that, sorry people. On the bright side that means MacT should be on the phone as we read! Sam will be pumped.

    A right side of Petry/Gilbert/JS is a two way puck moving machine.

  136. Bag of Pucks says:

    G Money:

    Wow, that’s some terrible company.Two Norris winners, an Art Ross winner, a Richard winner … for the most part, what you’ve identified is an artefact of the giveaway statistic – that the more you have the puck and the more you try to make plays with the puck, the more giveaways you’ll have.

    Interesting to note that none of those players are being bought out by their teams while Gilbert is?

    Maybe, just maybe, there’s a big difference between a player coughing the puck up on an O zone entry vs. a timid defenseman throwing up a grenade in his own zone in response to an aggressive forecheck?

    No point in debating this ad infinitum. You’re convinced Gilbert will rebound. I’m convinced he continues to play his way out of the league. Time will tell.

    My prediction is he latches on with a team very weak on the back end as a 5/6 option for next year (say Colorado or Philly) and by the end of the 2014/15 season, he’s waiver wire bound for the final time.

  137. Mr DeBakey says:

    Interesting to note that none of those players are being bought out by their teams while Gilbert is?

    Heatley is injured
    Injured players can’t be bought out
    The wild are at the redline
    Someone with a fairly big Hit has to go.

  138. Woodguy says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Maybe, just maybe, there’s a big difference between a player coughing the puck up on an O zone entry vs. a timid defenseman throwing up a grenade in his own zone in response to an aggressive forecheck?

    Maybe, just maybe, MIN is in a cap crunch, Heatley is injured and they can’t buy him out and Gilbert, who played a mix of 2nd and 3rd pairing is the easiest player to replace on the roster with the largest cap hit.

    Are you really trying to stratify the degree of turnovers?

    Really?

  139. Lowetide says:

    What was the SP behind Gilbert? I recall looking at it and going “OHHH, that’s it.”

  140. melancholyculkin says:

    Tom Gilbert,

    2009-10:

    3/6 in EV TOI/60, 15.96
    1/6 in Corsi Rel, 8.1
    1/6 in Corsi On, -6.01
    1/6 in Qualcomp
    2/6 in Corsi Qualcomp
    1/6 in Corsi Rel Qualcomp
    49.6% Ozone

    2010-2011:

    1/6 in EV TOI/60, 17.40
    1/6 in Corsi Rel, 6.0
    1/6 in Corsi On, -3.36
    1/6 in Qualcomp
    2/6 in Coris Rel Qualcomp
    2/6 in Corsi Qualcomp
    51.4% Ozone

    2011-12:

    Tough to use behind the net stats because of the trade to Minnesota, but in his 20 GP with the Wild he averaged 27:00 per game, by far the most on the team. 21:01 EV per game, also by far the most on the Wild.

    To argue that Tom Gilbert was not a top four defenceman in the three seasons prior to 2012-13 is to argue from ignorance.

  141. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    What was the SP behind Gilbert? I recall looking at it and going “OHHH, that’s it.”

    Gilbert’s ONSH%, ONSV% and PDO last 3 seasons:

    2010-2011 Season 8.77 889 976
    2011-2012 Season 7.63 910 986
    2012-2013 Season 8.25 877 959

    Shitty end of the stick last 3 seasons, especially last year.

    Hope the Oilers just pluck him off waivers.

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