OILERS SIGN GORDON

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  1. Henry says:

    This is a nice hockey player. Lander to the wing. Gordon might be able to slide to 3C.

  2. Oiler_in_Mexico says:

    Things are happening, I really like this player.

  3. Henry says:

    Interesting that LaBarbara is only one year. Oilers have two UFA goalies next summer.

  4. striatic says:

    Gordon played very tough opposition with worst possible zone starts and still had positive Corsi.

    as a C, it wasn’t like he was riding someone else’s coattails either.

    great depth signing.

    clear upgrade on Horcoff and Belanger in a similar role.

  5. Fatboy80 says:

    Gordon had the most shorthanded face off wins in the NHL last year. Terrific signing!

  6. HugThePost says:

    holy crap, MacT is building his team!!!

  7. Oiler_in_Mexico says:

    From https://twitter.com/mc79hockey/status/353192306846859264

    “Boyd Gordon had a 52% Corsi% with a 32.6% ZoneStart. Wow.”

    That is crazy.

  8. striatic says:

    NHL on TSN ‏@NHLonTSN 8s
    Nathan Horton going to Columbus on a seven-year deal. #TSN #NHL

  9. Numenius says:

    Great signing.

  10. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Too many threads!!! damn your eyes LT!!! damn your beady eyes!!

  11. Jordan says:

    PIERRE – MARC BOUCHARD GOES TO THE NYI!!!! Huzzah!

  12. Lucinius says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Haha. I’m sticking with the first, main FA thread and just reading the rest in separate tabs.

  13. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 3m
    Clarke MacArthur looks like he’s closing in on a deal with OTT. Stay tuned.

    crap

  14. russ99 says:

    We still need another good center, and a few big wingers.. Don’t stop now, MacT!

  15. spoiler says:

    “More to come”

    That sounds so lovely.

    MOAR!!!

  16. Woodguy says:

    Great signing.

    Boyd is very solid 3C.

    Very happy they nabbed him.

  17. Woodguy says:

    Tracy Lane ‏@TreenasOil Protected account 51m
    Oilers talking to grabovsky as per Garfield

    God I hope.

    She had the Ference and Gordon signings about 10 min before they were announced.

  18. bookje says:

    This is good. Hopefully the cost is reasonable.

  19. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy:
    Tracy Lane ‏@TreenasOil Protected account 51m
    Oilers talking to grabovsky as per Garfield

    God I hope.

    She had the Ference and Gordon signings about 10 min before they were announced.

    hot potatoes!!!

    do it…. do it now… all day do it!!!

  20. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Follow

    Bob McKenzieVerified account
    ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
    MacArthur is 2 x $3.25M with OTT. Done deal.

    noooooooooo

  21. striatic says:

    Woodguy: Tracy Lane ‏@TreenasOil Protected account 51m
    Oilers talking to grabovsky as per Garfield

    yes. yes. one thousand times yes.

  22. Woodguy says:

    MaCarthur 2 years x $3.25 in OTT.

    Dammit!

    Wanted him pretty bad. Would have been great fit a 2LW.

  23. bookje says:

    Edmonton must look good for Grabovski. Loads of opportunity to grab a top 2 spot at centre, particularly if Sam moves to wing. And look at the wingers he would have to rack up points with. I can see a 2 year deal at a reasonable price as he could be looking towards a big payday after two years of good stats.

  24. Bag of Pucks says:

    Horton to CBJ. Clowe to NJ. Power forwards getting snapped up now. Clarkson to…?

  25. striatic says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Bob McKenzieVerified account
    ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
    MacArthur is 2 x $3.25M with OTT. Done deal.

    moving down the line, who is the next decent UFA LW?

  26. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy:
    MaCarthur 2 years x $3.25 in OTT.

    Dammit!

    Wanted him pretty bad.Would have been great fit a 2LW.

    what a sweet deal…. way better than Clowe, Horton or Clarkson… crap. MacT walking past value today.

    also that tsn reporters panel is stupid. no other word for it. Simmonds doesn’t know what shoes are.

  27. pboy says:

    I think the Oilers fill the rest of the holes via trades now. Good Job by MacT over the last 24 hours.

  28. Bag of Pucks says:

    Would take Grabovski on a short term overpay. But ultimately think you need more size and better FO% in that 2C spot if you want to compete for the Cup. Band-aid solution at best.

  29. bookje says:

    Oilers have signed Jesse Joensuu on a two-year deal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  30. bookje says:

    Who is Jesse Joensuu??????????????

  31. striatic says:

    Benoit Pouliot?

  32. Bag of Pucks says:

    bookje:
    Oilers have signed Jesse Joensuu on a two-year deal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    We got our Finn : )

  33. striatic says:

    bookje: Who is Jesse Joensuu??????????????

    who cares he’s a Finn : ]

  34. Woodguy says:

    A BIG FIN!!!!!

    Jesse Joensuu

    6’4″ 209lbs

    His pic on hockeydb.com shows he’s a great Petrell replacement in the #IsMental department

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=81592

  35. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    interesting

    Philadelphia Flyers ‏@NHLFlyers 1m
    NEWS ALERT: #Flyers have signed free agent (G) Yann Danis to a one-year, two-way contract…
    Retweeted by Bob McKenzie

  36. Woodguy says:

    I would think that Joensuu slots in 4LW ahead of Smytty.

  37. LMHF#1 says:

    Woodguy:
    I would think that Joensuu slots in 4LW ahead of Smytty.

    Hopefully this means Mike Brown is gone.

  38. Woodguy says:

    Tracy Lane ‏@TreenasOil Protected account 8m
    Bruins interested in Hemsky but want oilers to retain salary as per Garfield
    Expand Reply Favorite

  39. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy:
    A BIG FIN!!!!!

    Jesse Joensuu

    6’4″ 209lbs

    His pic on hockeydb.com shows he’s a great Petrell replacement in the #IsMental department

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=81592

    him and that weird angular jaw of Lander would make one creepy “is he going to cut me with his skate” line

  40. Ribs says:

    Jordan:
    PIERRE – MARC BOUCHARD GOES TO THE NYI!!!!Huzzah!

    Yes! Out of conference!

  41. Jesse says:

    Finally someone to represent us Jesse’s on the roster and to get that nasty Ninnimakii moment out of the memory of the franchise!

  42. pboy says:

    Woodguy: Tracy Lane ‏@TreenasOil Protected account 8mBruins interested in Hemsky but want oilers to retain salary as per GarfieldExpand Reply Favorite

    Hemmer is going to be a valuable commodity as this drags out.

  43. bookje says:

    Lots of stuff happening with the Oilers today. I think its going to take some reflection at the end of the day to actually know if the team has gotten better or stayed the same with new faces on board.

  44. Woodguy says:

    Stauffer making it sound like Joensuu is being brought in because Paajarvi is getting traded.

  45. Магия¹º says:

    Woodguy,

    Screw them unless their’s a good asset coming back. Someone will take the whole salary for a 7th.

  46. Lucinius says:

    Still waiting for the dollars on Gordon and Labarbera.. c’mon! Guves us good news on the dollars so we can bitch about not spend it elsewhere!

  47. bookje says:

    Woodguy:
    Stauffer making it sound like Joensuu is being brought in because Paajarvi is getting traded.

    One step forwards, two steps back?

  48. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy:
    Stauffer making it sound like Joensuu is being brought in because Paajarvi is getting traded.

    I don’t think that computes.

  49. Lucinius says:

    Woodguy,

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

    I felt my gut flip on that comment.

  50. Kris11 says:

    Nobody better drink Joensuu’s rum.

  51. Магия¹º says:

    Woodguy:
    Stauffer making it sound like Joensuu is being brought in because Paajarvi is getting traded.

    But it’s Finnish for Jonesy. A Petrell replacement maybe. They’ll get fleeced letting Magnus go this year.

  52. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bacon Wave is Stackable!!!

  53. Lucinius says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    So is cordwood.

    And I imagine it has more than just that in common with cordwood.

  54. goldenchild says:

    Maybe those Magnus for Coburn rumors were real

  55. 8p0intgame says:

    Still need centres two and three…

  56. Henry says:

    Joensuu looks like a Frank Musil find.

  57. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Simmonds is saying MacT is working “calmly and intelligently”…. this is worrying.

  58. Lucinius says:

    Fuck The Reporters.

    I want neither of them in Edmonton.

  59. remlap says:

    8p0intgame:
    Still need centres two and three…

    Boyd Gordon isn’t a 3rd line center?

  60. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Do these idiots know nothing about Lack and Ericson?

    How about a little research on the G depth of the team you are talking about?

  61. Lucinius says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    They know nothing outside of Toronto. And even within Toronto they are all Old Guard type hockey guys.

  62. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 1m
    “@DarrenDreger: Leafs finishing up on Bozak. 5 yrs under $4.5 per. Toronto also waiting for word from Clarkson on a 7 year offer. #TSN”

  63. uni says:

    Woodguy,

    She’s monitoring all the MSM twitter feeds, he’s basically just MSM twitter aggregation.

  64. gogliano says:

    Like the player and would be surprised if they had to overpay for someone without much offense.

    I suppose MacT rather fittingly knows how to assess the value of a defensive center who gets results better than he knows how to assess depth defenseman.

  65. Lois Lowe says:

    THUNDEROUS BODYCHECKS!!!

  66. dessert1111 says:

    Unsure where Joensuu fits.

    Crazy depth on D. There has to be some leaving. Still need a top 4 guy, but maybe 1 of the million bottom pairing options surprises us.

    Still need 2LW, 3C and 3RW I would think…though I bet Hemsky could get 3C, and a D or two could get a winger…..one more signing wouldn’t be bad, but overall lots of holes filled.

    This may be the last time I get to say it, so I might as well, I wouldn’t mind seeing Ryan Jones back on a reasonable deal.

  67. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    how come all these other deal have $$ and term and we don’t yet?

  68. Lucinius says:

    dessert1111,

    Isn’t Gordon the 3C?

    So the Oilers need a 2LW/2C and maybe a 3RW up front.

  69. striatic says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: how come all these other deal have $$ and term and we don’t yet?

    we do know the term for Gordon. 3 years.

  70. 8p0intgame says:

    So the Oilers D currently looks like this:

    Smid-Petry
    N. Schultz-J. Schultz
    Ference-Larsen
    Belov-Potter

    Wow… That’s bad… :(

  71. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    striatic: we do know the term for Gordon. 3 years.

    right. forgot that… $$?

  72. striatic says:

    Lucinius: So the Oilers need a 2LW/2C and maybe a 3RW up front.

    for next year at least you know you have Gagner at least via arbitration. so short term at least 2C is filled.

    similarly, Hemsky is currently filling the 3RW position for at least a year.

    2LW is a current hole.

  73. RMGS says:

    8p0intgame:
    So the Oilers D currently looks like this:

    Smid-Petry
    N. Schultz-J. Schultz
    Ference-Larsen
    Belov-Potter

    Wow… That’s bad…

    I’d switch Larsen and Belov, but yeah, too many projects. But, I don’t think MacT’s done…

  74. 8p0intgame says:

    remlap,

    *Two and four.

  75. Lucinius says:

    Bozak stays in Toronto for.. 4.2 mil a year, for 5 years.

  76. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lucinius:
    Bozak stays in Toronto for.. 4.2 mil a year, for 5 years.

    Comparable for Gags?

  77. Lucinius says:

    Clarkson to Toronto for seven years, wow. No idea on money.

  78. JAG-041 says:

    Clarkson to leafs apparently

  79. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Well we missed the big boat anchor in Clarkson at 7 years.

    that’s something… I wonder if MacT offered it though and Clarkson wanted Toronto the city instead. hmmm.

    sign Flippula and Grabo… get Cs

  80. LMHF#1 says:

    Come on Penner and Grabovski….

  81. 8p0intgame says:

    RMGS,

    I won’t be happy if one of Petry or Smid is on his way out. They are the Oilers only legitimate top 4 Ds.

  82. Магия¹º says:

    LMHF#1,

    Come on Gilbert and Grabovski….

  83. G Money says:

    I hope Joensuu has a mean streak and can slot in at 4R and push Brown down to 13F. If he can play a rambunctious style and generally hold his own in the Corsi department (as suggested by the two profiles posted in links above), he’s an upgrade on Petrell offensively and on Harti in the hits department.

    I would like to see Lapierre at 3C/4C in tandem with Gordon – OK hockey player in that role, and the yappy chippy little bastard is exactly what the Oilers need to be a bit harder to play against.

    I assumed that getting Grabovksi would mean Gagner on the trade block, but yeah, I guess it’s possible to run Grabovski between Gagner and Yak. Still a pretty small line, but probably a lot better from a possession perspective than last years version. Given how good the top line is going to be with RNH having two shoulders to work with, line 2 only needs to be slightly positive against soft opposition to be a huge improvement.

  84. OilClog says:

    8p0intgame:
    So the Oilers D currently looks like this:

    Smid-Petry
    N. Schultz-J. Schultz
    Ference-Larsen
    Belov-Potter

    Wow… That’s bad…

    I would say.. No way Nick Schultz is ahead of Ference.

  85. bookje says:

    8p0intgame:
    So the Oilers D currently looks like this:

    Smid-Petry
    N. Schultz-J. Schultz
    Ference-Larsen
    Belov-Potter

    Wow… That’s bad…

    THat is what you call deep deep defensive depth.

  86. bookje says:

    OilClog: I would say.. No way Nick Schultz is ahead of Ference.

    Other than all of the statistics demonstrating otherwise?

  87. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    8p0intgame:
    RMGS,

    I won’t be happy if one of Petry or Smid is on his way out. They are the Oilers only legitimate top 4 Ds.

    If Smid gets traded and Ference is the replacement…. I’ll cut my eyes out and send them to MacT.

  88. Lucinius says:

    Stalberg to Nashville.4 years, 3 mil per.

  89. striatic says:

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 31s
    NSH agrees to 4 year, $12M deal with Viktor Stalberg.

    another LW gone.

    hole hole hole

  90. dessert1111 says:

    Is Gordon supposed to be a 3C? I thought he would slot in at 4 and can be 3 in a pinch. If he is 3C, Lander is 4C, and based on the depth they added at D today I think they’ll want more C depth than that.

    Also it’s striking me that the Oilers haven’t had two competent goalies on their NHL roster in many, many years. Sigh of relief.

  91. RMGS says:

    Lucinius:
    Stalberg to Nashville.4 years, 3 mil per.

    So, as of this moment:

    Hall
    MPS
    Smyth
    Joensuu?

  92. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lucinius:
    Stalberg to Nashville.4 years, 3 mil per.

    similar term and dollar to Ference.

    which is more valuable?

  93. Lucinius says:

    dessert1111,

    Gordon is a 3C, not a 4C, imo, and deservedly so.

  94. jb says:

    I can’t believe no one ever mentioned Weiss… perfect center imo.. Detroit knows what they’re doing as usual.

    Ference is a solid pickup imo.. Lol at the “he has bad corsi so it’s a bad signing people”, age is a bit of a conceren though.. One more top 4 D and I think we have respectable depth. Make Klefbom/Belov fight over the #7/AHL spot.

    Gordon is a solid pickup for 3c.

  95. Bag of Pucks says:

    Guys, Filppula can win a faceoff. Grabovski cannot.

    Filppula, Lapierre and Coburn in trade and MacT can call it a great day!

  96. spoiler says:

    That’s a lot of money for Stalberg.

  97. OilClog says:

    bookje: Other than all of the statistics demonstrating otherwise?

    I would say the contract he just landed indicates he’s above Nick Schultz on the depth chart in the view of management.. No?

  98. bookje says:

    OilClog: I would say.. No way Nick Schultz is ahead of Ference.

    Just to expand, Andrew Ference has played against soft competition through his career and has never had a positive relative corsi. Nick Schultz has played against mid to tough competition, a much tougher zone start and has had both positive and negative relcorsi. So, on average Schultz has been in much tougher situations and has done significantly better.

    It’s pretty clear cut really, Nick Schultz is a better defenceman. Also, when he was traded to the Oilers, he was framed pretty clearly as a ‘leader in the room’ and as having great ‘character’.

  99. 8p0intgame says:

    OilClog,

    In the eyes of Oilers management, sure. Both players belong on the 3rd pairing, IMO.

  100. Smarmy says:

    Oh god reading smart Leaf fans be miserable about Gabbo and MacArthur and then meltdown about Bozak and Clarkson signings. Feels good man.

  101. bookje says:

    OilClog: I would say the contract he just landed indicates he’s above Nick Schultz on the depth chart in the view of management.. No?

    You mean the one that is .25 million less than Schultz makes?

  102. Lucinius says:

    bookje,

    Perception frames how most teams are built than reality.

    Just look at Toronto today and how the media have characterized Bozak.

  103. bookje says:

    With that said, I don’t know what management is thinking, I am just saying that from an objective viewpoint Nick Schultz is the better defenseman. I don’t know how the unchartable intangables affect things. For all I know, Schultz has spent his time off this summer growing sideburns.

  104. Lucinius says:

    bookje,

    Or running over MacT’s dog, which probably just got released from whatever Penner did to it.

  105. godot10 says:

    The Oilers don’t have too many defensemen.

    Smid Petry
    Ference NSchultz
    Belov JSchultz
    Klefbom Potter/Larsen

    What they’ve done is prevented the need to overpay in a trade. They have numbers, though still lacking a true first pairing LD.

    Hemsky for Zack Smith hopefully will bring in one more centre, and the Oilers will have a #3a (Gordon) and #3b( Smith) and Lander and their bottom six centres.

  106. OilClog says:

    bookje,

    MacT never signed Nick to that contract and has no ties to him. I do not believe Nick Schultz would ever land a contract with MacT anywhere within that range of money or length. Ference is a MacT guy.. He’ll get the push. I’m not arguing who is the better player just arguing where they stand on the depth chart.. Ference is ahead.

  107. Clay says:

    Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper 47s
    confirming #Leafs Clarkson 36.75M over 7 yrs on new deal.

    They can have him for that. Overrated.

  108. LMHF#1 says:

    Gordon’s deal is $3mil per according to McKenzie.

  109. Lucinius says:

    LMHF#1,

    And Labarbera is 1 million.

  110. spoiler says:

    $3M is a lot for a Centre with no offense. I know that’s what Maholtra got fr Van on his last contract, but that still seems excessive. I was hoping they could get it done for 2M.

  111. godot10 says:

    They were going to have to overpay a bit to get Gordon. Worth the overpay based on need.

  112. Lucinius says:

    spoiler,

    3 mil is what I expected for him given the demand and the premium we’ll have to pay.

  113. Lois Lowe says:

    MacT is spending like it ain’t no thing. The Gordon and Ference contracts are ugly.

  114. Magnus says:

    $3 million for Gordon? Wow…

  115. 8p0intgame says:

    How about…

    RNH-Hall-Eberle
    Grabovski-Paajarvi-Yakupov
    Gordon-Joensuu-Gagner
    Smith-Smyth-Brown
    Lander

    Smid-Petry
    N. Schultz-J.Schultz
    Ference-Belov
    Potter

    Dubnyk
    LaBarbara

  116. FPB94 says:

    I think it’s pretty expensive for Boyd. But at least they seem to know what the weaknesses are. That”s good.

    Over here I’m pretty happy with Danny Briere.

  117. "Steve Smith" says:

    Lois Lowe,

    $3 million isn’t a bargain, but I don’t think it was realistic to expect the Oilers to sign him for less. Actually, at that price I’d even be happy with more term.

    The Ference contract is ugly, all the more so because of what it says about what our D corps is going to look like come opening night.

  118. Магия¹º says:

    Did not have high expectations for the debut of a GM who everyone knew had a lot of holes to fill. Only the Ferrence deal looks offside. Maybe the Flames will take Ferrence from us for 2 years like they did with Staois at the same point in his career.

  119. whale says:

    Capgeek server unavailable.

  120. FPB94 says:

    Btw: Holy Moly Boston got fleeced.

  121. Bag of Pucks says:

    Does a day arrive when folks acknowledge that the advanced stats currently available can’t properly quantify the full value/contributions of a defensive defenceman? Is there a stat for clearing the slot I haven’t seen? How about one for taking a hit in the corner to clear a puck?

    You know it’s getting ridiculous when we actually have people advocating for acquiring Tom Gilbert over Andrew Ference claiming he’s a far better player cos corsi/possession numbers say so. The former was castoff from his hometown team after only 60+ games, the latter was a valued member of a Stanley Cup winner. Does that provide some sort of clue that perhaps advanced stats don’t tell us the full story when it comes to evaluating NHL defenceman?

    I’m sorry but citing corsi stats does not make you a better judge of hockey talent than Peter Chiarelli in this or any other alternative universe.

  122. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    That Gordon deal isn’t looking so shinny anymore.

    I really hope this isn’t Belanger 2.0

    I hate the Ference signing more with every moment.

    Labarbera is perfect. good job.

  123. Магия¹º says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Age at end of contract is a stat that still needs more attention @ Kingsway.

  124. Dominoiler says:

    Some guy on sportsnet said that brunner (det) is available, that would be a great young player to sign!.. little smaller, but great potential imo..

  125. Profit says:

    Lois Lowe,

    Really? It is maybe $500K too much. Would you rather no 3C?

    This angst about nickles and dimes (comparatively) is getting a bit tiring.

    Ference on the other hand is 2 years too much. But I don’t have a complaint about Gordon.

  126. 8p0intgame says:

    OilClog,

    From that perspective, I agree. Ference is higher on the depth chart. But the depth chart I drew up was based on skill. I wouldn’t have an old, soft minute munching, 3rd pairing D in my top 4.

  127. godot10 says:

    FPB94:
    Btw: Holy Moly Boston got fleeced.

    Not really. Boston is a now team. Ericsson is one of the most under-rated players in the league on a ridiculoulsy good contract. Seguin doesn’t fit the Chara contending window. Ericsson does.

  128. PaperDesigner says:

    Based on the available cap space, three million is not an overpay.

    You have approximately 2.74 million cap space available for your average player. As your 7th out of fourteen forwards, your third line centre is probably right around 2.75.

    Except he’s way above average for his position.

    If I was looking at signing him in, I would have considered him at up to three and a half million.

  129. Bag of Pucks says:

    Магия¹º:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Age at end of contract is a stat that still needs more attention @ Kingsway.

    Do agree with this. The term is the overpay part with this deal but the Oil badly need this player type.

    We’re going to love watching this guy play. Does all the dirty work jobs that guys like Gator, Muni and Lowe did.

  130. "Steve Smith" says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    My concern is that while he’s doing his “dirty work”, the other team will be scoring goals.

  131. PaperDesigner says:

    Cullen gets 3.5 per over two.

    Still want to complain about Gordon?

  132. BONVIE says:

    OilClog,

    Absolutely the guy just averaged 24 minutes per game on a playoff run on a team with alot more depth on defense. To suggest that Schultz would be ahead on the depth chart is a knee slapper.

  133. FPB94 says:

    godot10,

    Seguin wasn’t that far off Eriksson. IMO the prospects weren’t worth switching the age from 21 to 27.

  134. Lois Lowe says:

    The Weiss and Bozak signings are really driving down the price for Gagner, Filppula, and Grabovski.

    edit – Gordon is going to bring zero offense, like less than Belanger. His intangibles better be unchartable.

  135. Ice Sage says:

    Good on Mac T to hold the line on Clarkson – what he got from Toronto is not do-able in the Oilers longer term scheme if they want to keep the punks together.

    Maybe it doesn’t all work out but my faith in Oilers Management, MacT specifically, is turning around: there is a real plan here, folks, and it makes sense. It’s been a while…

  136. rooster_monkey says:

    spoiler:
    $3M is a lot for a Centre with no offense. I know that’s what Maholtra got fr Van on his last contract, but that still seems excessive. I was hoping they could get it done for 2M.

    I’m not sure it really matters. The fact is that we needed him and we have money to spend. The alternative is to offer what you think he is worth (2m), and then have him sign with another team for 3m. At the same time options at that position are being taken by our competitors. Playing hardball only works in negotiations when you can walk away from the deal… I don’t think the Oilers can afford to walk away.

  137. Numenius says:

    3M for Gordon is reasonable under the circumstances. Remember that our previous 3C made 5.5M.

  138. Bag of Pucks says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Bag of Pucks,

    My concern is that while he’s doing his “dirty work”, the other team will be scoring goals.

    Yeah, that’s why he played big minutes with the Bruins in the playoffs this year. Cos he sucks at defense.

  139. Магия¹º says:

    Bag of Pucks: Do agree with this. The term is the overpay part with this deal but the Oil badly need this player type.

    We’re going to love watching this guy play. Does all the dirty work jobs that guys like Gator, Muni and Lowe did.

    Hey. I was ready to buy a sweater with his twitpic announcement. If he’s got try I’ll cheer against the odds that he gets within sight of that contract value.

    But at least dodges the big boat anchor:

    Down Goes Brown ‏@DownGoesBrown 7m
    Clarkson… holy crap. Seven years for a guy with one 40+ point season who turns 30 next year. This is madness.

  140. Ice Sage says:

    Weiss to Detroit @ 4.9 cap hit. They must be running out of cap space – c’mon Vallltttteerrrri

  141. spoiler says:

    Lucinius: spoiler, 3 mil is what I expected for him given the demand and the premium we’ll have to pay.

    Oh, I know. It’s pretty obvious from the number that the Oil had to outbid the market. Was hoping the lack of boxscores would restrain the market somewhat, but this market knows no restraint.

  142. "Steve Smith" says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Well, he was certainly bleeding shots against for those minutes, more so than any other defenceman on the team. But I’m sure his dirty work/60 was outstanding.

  143. Dominoiler says:

    Lois Lowe:
    The Weiss and Bozak signings are really driving down the price for Gagner, Filppula, and Grabovski.

    Im not a gagner booster, but bozak is hardly a close comparison (despite the TO media coolaid).. Weiss is a better 2 way centre, but a step down offensively.. imo, they push gags above 5M (and filp above 5 too.. just grabs lower, so I mostly disagree)

  144. Lewis Grant says:

    Gordon 5X5 1.18 P/60
    Horcoff 5X5 1.34 P/60

    That doesn’t include the fact that Horcoff can play PP.

    If Gordon is worth $3M, then Horcoff is worth $3.5-4M a year. In other words, more than what Dallas will be paying in actual dollars.

  145. spoiler says:

    I would much prefer that Gordon is our 4th line C, and PK specialist.

  146. Магия¹º says:

    spoiler: but this market knows no restraint

    It’s unflappable.

  147. Dominoiler says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Bag of Pucks,

    But I’m sure his dirty work/60 was outstanding.

    Now we are getting some where, the next level of advanced stats.. hehe

  148. striatic says:

    Lewis Grant: Gordon 5X5 1.18 P/60
    Horcoff 5X5 1.34 P/60

    that’s a somewhat narrow view on the two players.

    Gordon has comparable P/60 to Horcoff but is statistically better in every other respect.

  149. Bag of Pucks says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Well, he was certainly bleeding shots against for those minutes, more so than any other defenceman on the team.But I’m sure his dirty work/60 was outstanding.

    Your ‘theoretical’ knowledge of hockey is outstanding.

  150. Bag of Pucks says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Well, he was certainly bleeding shots against for those minutes, more so than any other defenceman on the team.But I’m sure his dirty work/60 was outstanding.

    You should fire off a memo to Julien. I’m sure a coach who’s taken his team to the final twice in the last 3 years would appreciate your insight on how to better deploy his players.

  151. 8p0intgame says:

    striatic,

    Care to elaborate? I would love to see those stats.

  152. Magnus says:

    spoiler,

    This.
    Gordon has no history of being able to bring much if any offense. I wouldn’t want him centering MPS and whoever the 3rd line winger turns out to be as he’s not going to be a player that will drive or even support offensive play. However, he’d make an excellent 4th line shut down center who gets plenty of PK time.

  153. hags9k says:

    Ference isn’t Bobby Orr but he’s an upgrade to our corps. That being said a wet paper bag on skates is an upgrade on our corps. MacT isn’t done let’s let it all play out.

  154. Lucinius says:

    Franklin looking as embarrassing as the Flames. Suitable match there.

  155. striatic says:

    Will Acton, 2 years.

  156. spoiler says:

    Magnus: spoiler, This.Gordon has no history of being able to bring much if any offense. I wouldn’t want him centering MPS and whoever the 3rd line winger turns out to be as he’s not going to be a player that will drive or even support offensive play. However, he’d make an excellent 4th line shut down center who gets plenty of PK time.

    Well his CorsiOn loks like he can help more than Belanger did, but I would like to have seen more P/60 to go with the shot attempts.

  157. hags9k says:

    Magnus,

    I’m with everyone hoping like hell Gordon will be 4C. Filpulla please.

  158. "Steve Smith" says:

    Bag of Pucks: You should fire off a memo to Julien. I’m sure a coach who’s taken his team to the final twice in the last 3 years would appreciate your insight on how to better deploy his players.

    The trouble with this line of reasoning (a term I use with considerable generosity) is that it leads to the conclusion that everything done by successful coaches/GMs is intelligent. I doubt that you’re stupid enough to actually believe that.

    We know Ference allowed a lot of shots while he was on the ice. We know that the reason that he didn’t bleed goals is that there was a very high save percentage behind him. We know that skaters have a negligible effect on save percentage. I will grant you that we don’t know for sure that Ference’s presence caused that very high shot count against (maybe most other defencemen in his situation would have allowed 40 shots against/60), but it’s a reasonable inference, given how few defencemen league wide show that kind of shots against/60.

    Or, if you would prefer that I engage on your terms: if Ference is so great, why didn’t Boston re-sign him?

  159. spoiler says:

    Stauffer hearing 950k for Joensuu’s AAV per his twit account.

  160. FPB94 says:

    Agreed with SS. Some wonderful coaches make terrible decision at times.

    Gregg Popovich probably lost his 5th ring on a substituion.

  161. Bag of Pucks says:

    @SteveSmith, I think Claude Julien knows more about hockey than you do. And if he and the Bruins valued Ference as recently as a month ago, then so do I.

    There, does that significantly clarify my line of reasoning for you?

    As for not resigning him. Cap management. Cup contenders can’t keep everyone especially when other teams are willing to overpay. And this is an overpay on term, but for a badly needed player type on the Oil. On the latter point, I suspect you realize this and are being purposely obtuse about it, but hey ‘engage on your terms’ right?

  162. Lois Lowe says:

    “Steve Smith”:

    Or, if you would prefer that I engage on your terms: if Ference is so great, why didn’t Boston re-sign him?

    Because the GM is a dumb dumb and should defer to the coach. See Toronto Maple Leafs.

  163. FPB94 says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    So you’re basically saying you don’t have an opinion, simply stating whoever had the best NHL team this year has a better knowledge of player value than everybody else. Good.

  164. dessert1111 says:

    Would rather overpay with $$ than term. Gordon signing still okay.

    I guess with that $$ it is quite likely they are slotting him into 3C. Would like more offense from a 3C though, especially since it’s likely there will be offensive players on that line.

  165. Магия¹º says:

    TSN signings so far:

    4 UFA: Edmonton (not counting Acton)
    3 UFA: Nashville, NY Islanders, Phoenix
    2 UFA : Detroit, Colorado, Chicago, Toronto, Florida, Philadelphia
    1 UFA: Carolina, Columbus, Dallas, St. Louis, Ottawa, New Jersey, San Jose
    0 UFA: Feaster et. al.

  166. Bag of Pucks says:

    Did anyone watch the playoffs this year?

    As they progressed, noted Corsi monster Chara was morphing into a turnstile. Julien did what good coaches do in that situation (i.e. making fluid decisions in real-time) to elevate a reliable defender’s minutes in reaction (Ference) and not what Steve Smith does (armchair GMing based on static legacy data).

  167. "Steve Smith" says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    @SteveSmith, I think Claude Julien knows more about hockey than you do. And if he and the Bruins valued Ference as recently as a month ago, then so do I.

    There, does that significantly clarify my line of reasoning for you?

    Oh, it was plenty clear before. Fallacious as all hell, but plenty clear.

  168. Ice Sage says:

    Магия¹º: TSN headcounts so far:4 UFA: Edmonton (not counting Acton)3 UFA: Nashville, NY Islanders, Phoenix2 UFA : Detroit, Colorado, Chicago, Toronto, Florida, Philadelphia1 UFA: Carolina, Columbus, Dallas, St. Louis, Ottawa, New Jersey, San Jose0 UFA: Feaster et. al.</blockquote

    Oilers leading in something? Damn lies! Statistics!!!

  169. iHockeyWpg says:

    I love these back and forth thread battles.!

  170. Lucinius says:

    Filpulla.. 5 years, 5 million in Tampa.

  171. Bag of Pucks says:

    “Steve Smith”: Oh, it was plenty clear before.Fallacious as all hell, but plenty clear.

    It’s ‘fallacious’ as all hell that Claude Julien knows more about hockey than you?

    Wow, had no idea that you’re the reincarnated son of Mike Babcock and Sam Pollock. Congrats.

  172. striatic says:

    NHL on TSN ‏@NHLonTSN 38s
    Valteri Filppula signs with Tampa Bay – 5 years, $5 million per year. #TSN #NHL

  173. Bag of Pucks says:

    Lucinius:
    Filpulla.. 5 years, 5 million in Tampa.

    Damn.

  174. striatic says:

    5×5 for Filppula, holy moly.

    curious what that means for Gagner’s value.

  175. Магия¹º says:

    Ice Sage,

    Would have bet against 5 signings this quick with only one high risk contract. Nice day to not be a Leafs fan.

  176. RMGS says:

    Only Grabovski’s left as a 2C/3C, so without that signing:

    RNH (injured)
    Gagner (may be better RW)
    Gordon (may be better 4C)
    Lander (should be in the AHL)

    Come on, MacT!

  177. "Steve Smith" says:

    Bag of Pucks: It’s ‘fallacious’ as all hell that Claude Julien knows more about hockey than you?

    That wasn’t your reasoning, but your first principle (which was entirely correct). Your reasoning was “…therefore everything that Claude Julien does is correct.”

    Anyway, I need to get back to work. We’ll continue this later, I’m sure.

  178. spoiler says:

    Filppula has had what… one season above 40 pts? Aye caramba!

  179. FPB94 says:

    So a guy who scored 17 points last year, and a guy with 24 just signed for 5 and 6M$. Holy hell. Now i’m REALLY happy with Briere.

  180. godot10 says:

    RMGS:
    Only Grabovski’s left as a 2C/3C, so without that signing:

    RNH (injured)
    Gagner (may be better RW)
    Gordon (may be better 4C)
    Lander (should be in the AHL)

    Come on, MacT!

    Hemsky trade for Zack Smith coming…perhaps.

  181. spoiler says:

    spoiler: Filppula has had what… one season above 40 pts? Aye caramba!

    Derek Roy has a much better record at putting up scoring numbers.

  182. FastOil says:

    I don’t think Gordon can be 4C for 3M per.

    Hall Gagner Eberle (let RNH heal)

    MPS Gordon X (all the nasty work)

    X RNH Yak (good times against softs)

    Smyth Lander Joensuu (so much energy!)

    Knuckles

    The defense is still a mess but everyone has hockey skills so at least that is better. Is Ference MacT’s LH powerplay option he said the team needed? Perhaps he was thinking 3rd pairing and PP/PK duties.

  183. Магия¹º says:

    RMGS,

    Don’t think Grabovski goes today. His agent is probably looking at discounted offers due to buyout and off-ice stuff and will wait to see if there is a reset after today.

  184. G Money says:

    Still agitating for Lapierre at 3C/4C. Lander might be good one day, but I want another solid year in the AHL to prove it.

    Grabovski at 2C and Gagner at 2L is not exactly the infusion of size and grit hoped for, but Grabovski is a more complete player and a solid possession player and that makes for a better line than we had last year.

    A Coburn trade (making a D corps of Smid/Petry/Coburn/Ference/Schultz/Schultz/Belov/Potter/Klefboom, if no D goes the other way) would be icing on the cake.

    And on the 2nd day of Free Agency, MacT can rest.

  185. Магия¹º says:

    TSN contracts over $20M:

    Horton, Nathan RW 7 $5.3M $37.1M Columbus
    Clarkson, David RW 7 $5.25M $36.75M Toronto
    Smith, Mike G 6 $5.67M $34M Phoenix
    Filppula, Valtteri LW 5 $5M $25M Tampa Bay
    Weiss, Stephen C 5 $4.9M $24.5M Detroit
    Clowe, Ryane LW 5 $4.85M $24.25M New Jersey
    Lecavalier, Vincent C 5 $4.5M $22.5M Philadelphia
    Ribeiro, Mike C 4 $5.5M $22M Phoenix
    Bozak, Tyler C 5 $4.2M $21M Toronto
    Streit, Mark D 4 $5.25M $21M Philadelphia

    Obvious good/bad contracts? Looking at you Nonis.

  186. leadfarmer says:

    After wondering the desert for years, I think Columbus will be a pretty decent team next year.

  187. Магия¹º says:

    G Money: And on the 2nd day of Free Agency, MacT can rest

    Gagner took the Oilers to the wire last time so no surprise he waited for these numbers. Assuming he doesn’t sign an offer sheet his hardball strategy would be to hold out for 1 year from the arbitrator as long as there is a penny left on the table.

  188. LMHF#1 says:

    Bobby Ryan to Ottawa. Wow.

  189. Lois Lowe says:

    Seeing the Nystrom and Cullen contracts makes me feel a ton better about what the Oilers got up to today.

  190. Lucinius says:

    Bobby Ryan to Ottawa.. interesting. Very interesting.

  191. Numenius says:

    The Will Acton deal is interesting.

    It’s likely mostly for help on the farm and emergency centre depth, but you’ve got to think he must have good up arrows, given that Eakins would know him well.

  192. Tarkus says:

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 34s

    “Silfverberg, Noesen and 1st to ANA for Bobby Ryan. Big deal for OTT.”

    Didn’t take the Sens long to replace Alfie.

    Would imagine the spitballed Hemksy-for-Smith deal is now mothballed.

  193. Магия¹º says:

    Dominic Moore signs a one-year deal with the New York Rangers. #TSN #NHL

  194. cabbiesmacker says:

    Lois Lowe: Because the GM is a dumb dumb and should defer to the coach. See Toronto Maple Leafs.

    And MacT just signed him for $3.5 per. Hmmmmmmmm

    Does anyone know which Dictionary it is that defines BOLD as MEH? Conservative? Predictable?

    Unless there is significant interest in Hemsky’s $5M management looks happy with praying the kids advance.

  195. Numenius says:

    Lucinius:
    Bobby Ryan to Ottawa.. interesting. Very interesting.

    He’s RW. Might that mean they won’t be taking Hemsky?

  196. Bag of Pucks says:

    “Steve Smith”: That wasn’t your reasoning, but your first principle (which was entirely correct).Your reasoning was “…therefore everything that Claude Julien does is correct.”

    No, that’s the straw man you’re desperately trying to build now that you realize it’s untenable for you to criticize Andrew Ference’s play without also criticizing Claude Julien’s deployment of and dependence on him in the playoffs. Untenable because the team results as a result of these deployments speak for themselves. And in case it needs emphasizing, Julien is widely regarded as one of the best defensive coaches in the league.

    My reasoning has made fairly clear throughout the last few posts.

    1) Ference is a good acquisition. Overpay on term. Fills huge need.
    2) Advanced stats don’t fully quantify the value of defensive defenceman.
    3) The best teams are stocked with excellent depth and good players. Acquiring players from these teams can be a good thing – particularly if they’re hometown lads with experience and leadership.
    4) Claude Julien isn’t right all the time, but he certainly knows more about hockey and Andrew Ference’s capabilities than you.

    Finally, there’s always the possibility this can end badly. Ference may get injured, start trending downward in performance, etc. No one has the predictive performance crystal ball perfected.

    But given the choice between this and waiver wire fodder, I believe this is the much better option.

  197. spoiler says:

    Dom Moore to the Rangers, Khudobin to the Canes.

  198. striatic says:

    Numenius: It’s likely mostly for help on the farm and emergency centre depth, but you’ve got to think he must have good up arrows, given that Eakins would know him well.

    or, you know, nepotism.

  199. spoiler says:

    Iggy now talking to Beantown… too funny!

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