SIXES AND SEVENS AND NINES

Craig MacTavish entered his first free agent frenzy with a long shopping list and a UFA pool that was shallow by historic standards. He was also facing a free spending league (close to record spend) and at the top end lost out to the Toronto Maple Leafs and other teams. MacT pulled the trigger on three significant deals and then made several minor signings that may end up being bigger than they appear today.

  • D Andrew Ference, 4 years times 3.25M. An overpay where he’ll play, Ference is ideally suited as a veteran pairing for Schultz the younger. He was 4th among Bruins in EV TOI (17:06) and fourth in PK TOI (2:13) and will probably play similar minutes with the Oilers. I think we should probably prepare for Ladislav Smid or Nick Schultz heading out of town (Ottawa or Philly is my guess) before training camp. The current LH depth chart is Smid, Ference, N Schultz, Anton Belov, Oscar Klefbom–suspect we’ll see a flip before fall.
  • C Boyd Gordon, 3 years times 3.0M. An overpay where he’ll play, Gordon played 12 minutes a night at evens and 3 minutes a night on the PK, and should expect the same workload in Edmonton. The clearest sign yet that MacTavish plans to build that 3line as a checking trio. I don’t know who is going to play on the wing, but the Oilers have the biggest item–a center who can mark his man.
  • G Jason LaBarbera, 1 year times 1.0M. A nice contract for a solid goaltender, and it probably gives Devan Dubnyk some relief after a rocky month in the news. A little older than some of the other options, but this is a very good move.

CURRENT ROSTER

FORWARDS

  1. Taylor Hall 6M
  2. Jordan Eberle 6M
  3. Ales Hemsky 5M
  4. Sam Gagner 5M (est)
  5. RNH 3.775M
  6. Nail Yakupov 3.775M
  7. Boyd Gordon 3.0M
  8. Ryan Smyth 2.25M
  9. Magnus Paajarvi 1.7M (est)
  10. Anton Lander 900k
  11. Mike Brown 737k

DEFENSE

  1. Justin Schultz 3.775M
  2. Ladislav Smid 3.5M
  3. Nick Schultz 3.5M
  4. Andrew Ference 3.25M
  5. Jeff Petry 1.75M
  6. Anton Belov 1.525M
  7. Philip Larsen 1.025M
  8. Corey Potter 775k

GOAL

  1. Devan Dubnyk 3.5M
  2. Jason LaBarbera 1.0M

 

We began the day with $14M (est) for 5 guys. After signing three guys, the numbers stand at 6.75M left for two players. My guess is that those players are a center and a left winger with size, and that the Oilers deal Ales Hemsky for one of those and move Smid/N Schultz for a defender like Coburn. The GM has a lot of work to do, but let’s see how much he got done on day one.

MACT’S LIST

  1. Top 4 defender (signed Ference, he may not end up in Edmonton’s top 4 but played in BOS top 4D a year ago)
  2. Sign Sam Gagner to a multi-year deal that has begins with a number in the 4′s
  3. Get Paajarvi signed and then find a role that suits him (suspect it’s 3line).
  4. NHL goalie (LaBarbera was a nice option)
  5. Find a 2line L who can complement Gagner-Yakupov with puck retrieval, blocking out the sun, etc
  6. Find a 3line R
  7. Find a 3line C (Gordon fits better here based on role, may end up playing de facto 4line minutes at EVs)
  8. Find a 4line C
  9. Deal Hemsky for immediate help (even if its a checker).
  10. Deal Horcoff or slot him into the 3line job for which he is actually ideal. Continued to improve D depth.
  11. Decide on Lander/Belanger or other for 13F. Lander it is!
  12. Better blue depth (MacT has done this with Belov and Larsen, plus Klefbom/Fedun/Marincin)
  13. AHL #1/NHL #3 goalie
  14. Sign Paul Ranger (should have said ‘sign Marlies)

MINOR MOVES

  • W Jesse Joensu: Huge Finnish winger Oilers signed to a 2-year deal. 6.04, 207 and has some nice things, suspect he’ll have a very good chance to make the Oilers in a support role. Has a nice range of skills and apparently can play either wing. HN: Has great size and some scoring ability. Is aggressive on the forecheck. Can play either wing position effectively. Also has a little two-way upside.

  • C Will Acton: Strictly an AHL option based on his 19 points in 67 AHL games this past season. Brings size.
  • L Ryan Hamilton: I very much like this signing and will cheer like hell for him. He’s the new minor league all-star to cheer for, big and strong and older and lacking in footspeed. THN: Has good size and the ability to play a physical game. Works well in the corners. Can score goals and put up good numbers at lower levels.

SIXES AND SEVENS AND NINES

When MacT talked about adding grit and toughness and being hard to play against, he was talking about men like Andrew Ference and Boyd Gordon. This is us. You can expect a power winger to be added and I do believe a center like Grabovski is possible in the coming days. I also think we may see an established defender heading to Philly for Coburn, and Ales Hemsky sent away for a skill L with size.

Craig MacTavish doesn’t need any jacks or kings, they’re already under contract under names like Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, Eberle, Yakupov, J Schultz. He needs to add those pesky players who can play an efficient game and take a piece out of the other side while doing it.

Players like Boyd Gordon and Andrew Ference. Sixes, and sevens. And nines.

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198 Responses to "SIXES AND SEVENS AND NINES"

  1. tcho says:

    Well, if they can add better support, AND the top young guys improve… We can hope.

  2. Lowetide says:

    Still plenty of blacktop. I see Benoit Pouliot is off the list now, we’re down to Morrow, Penner and a few others. You know, Dustin Penner is a nice option for the Oilers. Again. Still.

  3. spoiler says:

    The hatchets are already out for MacT. My Gord.

  4. Lois Lowe says:

    How do you think Penner is viewed by MacT and Eakins though? I feel like he’s a perfect fit, but there’s always the questions about his ‘consistency’ and fitness. If Daryl Sutter had him riding the pine, I think Eakins would too.

  5. theres oil in virginia says:

    spoiler:
    The hatchets are already out for MacT. My Gord.

    Mostly for things he didn’t do: “OMG, I can’t believe he was going to spend X dollars on so-and-so!!!”

    LT, I see you’re inching up on the Gagner contract number. (Yes, I’m still beating that drum. ;) )

  6. Numenius says:

    Just watched McT’s presser. It looked like he was tearing up over not getting Clarkson. Sounds like they really connected.

  7. Lowetide says:

    Lois Lowe:
    How do you think Penner is viewed by MacT and Eakins though? I feel like he’s a perfect fit, but there’s always the questions about his ‘consistency’ and fitness. If Daryl Sutter had him riding the pine, I think Eakins would too.

    He won’t come here, don’t think it is an option. Although he’s a nice solution.

  8. striatic says:

    love this clip of Boyd Gordon.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lTAPiZYfmw

    damn.

  9. Lowetide says:

    theres oil in virginia: )

    After today, I think the 4′s are possible, not probable.

  10. spoiler says:

    I don’t think $3M is an overpay for the position… for a quality 3C who can add some offense. This could be considered the 5th most important F position on the roster. I think it is an overpay for a 3C who doesn’t add any offense, however, and for the kind of TOI Gordon was taking.

  11. dawgtoy says:

    “@brianlawton9: On a day like today the smart GM”s that are willing to lie in the weeds, wait and have cap space and cash to spend should really clean up!” There are more pieces that can yet be acquired IMO. Prices will start to drop as well.

  12. theres oil in virginia says:

    Lowetide: After today, I think the 4′s are possible, not probable.

    Somewhere between Bozak and Couture, I would guess. Probably about midway.

  13. Lowetide says:

    I’d offer sheet the hell out of Ryan McDonough.

  14. striatic says:

    Lowetide: Still plenty of blacktop. I see Benoit Pouliot is off the list now, we’re down to Morrow, Penner and a few others. You know, Dustin Penner is a nice option for the Oilers. Again. Still.

    the only guy i was vaguely interested in there was Pouliot.

    best not to make any silly mistakes chasing the LW dregs. going to need to make a trade.

  15. Ribs says:

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 5m
    WPG sends 2nd round pick in 2014 to MIN for Devin Setoguchi.

    Neato.

  16. Lowetide says:

    striatic: the only guy i was vaguely interested in there was Pouliot.

    best not to make any silly mistakes chasing the LW dregs. going to need to make a trade.

    Agreed. Suspect MacT is going to pursue some skilled big men, and that’s bad news for Paajarvi and Hemsky fans.

  17. striatic says:

    i suppose they could try hunting one of the remaining LH UFA Cs and using them at wing.

  18. fifthcartel says:

    MacT has to be adding another center. This depth is just not enough.

  19. striatic says:

    or not. no worthwhile UFA Cs left either, other than maybe Wellwood and Grabovski.

    meh.

  20. bookje says:

    I think the hatchets (technically machetes) are out because of the pretty much confirmed Clarckson deal.

  21. Lowetide says:

    fifthcartel:
    MacT has to be adding another center. This depth is just not enough.

    Grabovski
    Penner
    Coburn

    Like?

  22. bookje says:

    Lowetide: Agreed. Suspect MacT is going to pursue some skilled big men, and that’s bad news for Paajarvi and Hemsky fans.

    Paajarvi is a big skilled man, no?

  23. theres oil in virginia says:

    Lowetide: Agreed. Suspect MacT is going to pursue some skilled big men, and that’s bad news for Paajarvi and Hemsky fans.

    Isn’t Paajarvi a big man? A little veteran presence that could slide between 2nd and 3rd line, alternating Paajarvi would work.

  24. Lowetide says:

    bookje: Paajarvi is a big skilled man, no?

    Yes, but does the GM see him that way?

  25. uni says:

    Iginla signed with Boston. Too precious.

  26. Captain's Log says:

    I’m feeling positive about a Gagner deal given Bozak (4.2 AAV) and Weiss (4.9 AAV). That said maybe Gagner looks at Gordon and thinks he’s worth more.

  27. fifthcartel says:

    Lowetide,

    I know people aren’t fans of Penner and Grabo but both would be pretty useful on the Oilers.

  28. bookje says:

    Lowetide: Yes, but does the GM see him that way?

    The GM has interesting glasses and I am not sure how he sees Paajarvi.

  29. theres oil in virginia says:

    fifthcartel:
    Lowetide,
    I know people aren’t fans of Penner and Grabo but both would be pretty useful on the Oilers.

    Maybe some people, but I’m fine with either (prefer Grabo – C).

  30. striatic says:

    Lowetide: Grabovski
    Penner
    Coburn
    Like?

    that would be ok, i guess.

    not thrilled. would rather wait until next summer to buy a better C, D and LW than take the free agent cast offs.

  31. theres oil in virginia says:

    Apparently capgeek is in the Twitterverse now, and tweets/twits that the top 5 cap payrolls are over the $64M limit. EDM not in top-10.

  32. striatic says:

    Captain’s Log: That said maybe Gagner looks at Gordon and thinks he’s worth more.

    or Filppula.

  33. bookje says:

    I wonder if MacT feels that he can take a bunch of functional low end (but intelligent) defenseman and make them am effective defense corp with good systems play?

  34. russ99 says:

    Good start for MacT, but we need more.

    Holding out hope for either Grabovski or Derek Roy at C and maybe Jagr as the 2nd line winger…

    A deal or offer sheet for a better defenseman would be nice too,

  35. theres oil in virginia says:

    Captain’s Log:
    I’m feeling positive about a Gagner deal given Bozak (4.2 AAV) and Weiss (4.9 AAV). That said maybe Gagner looks at Gordon and thinks he’s worth more.

    striatic: or Filppula.

    Isn’t he?

  36. Rondo says:

    Penner is the type of player that does not get motivated in the regular season. No use for him in Edmonton.

  37. OilClog says:

    striatic: or Filppula.

    Guess it depends what stat line you’re focusing on.. MacT says win some faceoffs and you would already be signed to a big fat contract.. unfortunately Sam, you’re better suited as a winger, fill in C.. I have a 4.75mil limit for that role. His soft point parade will only garner so much.

  38. Lowetide says:

    striatic: that would be ok, i guess.

    not thrilled. would rather wait until next summer to buy a better C, D and LW than take the free agent cast offs.

    Problem with waiting is the free agents often sign between now and then.

  39. theres oil in virginia says:

    Lowetide: Problem with waiting is the free agents often sign between now and then.

    I don’t think they get cheaper either, as teams that missed out start getting desperate.

  40. Lowetide says:

    @TSNResearch Jonessu 2 year AAV 950,000

  41. striatic says:

    Lowetide: Problem with waiting is the free agents often sign between now and then.

    i’m taking that into account.

    i don’t think this year’s FA crop is the best to swing for the fences with.

    i don’t even think that right now is a great time to trade Hemsky, what with the glut of quality RW UFAs this year.

    best wait until the deadline.

  42. PunjabiOil says:

    MacT is riling up mistakes:

    1. Not picking up a guy like Gilbert over Ference (whose numbers are a huge concern)
    2. Offering Clarking north of 5.25M. Ridiculous.
    3. Missing out value signings like Pouliot.

    These next two days are basically it. After that, there are historically very little trade/signing activity.

    Stauffer said MacTavish has bought into analytics. Not sure where he is getting his numbers from, but cap efficiency has to be integrated into their numbers.

    The team has not marginally improved today. Ference is a better Whitney, Gordon is an best case Horcoff. Backup goalie will have nominal impact.

    I just don’t understand it.

  43. PunjabiOil says:

    Ryder was another guy. 62 points for two consecutive years (this past year was on pace for 62), and he gets 3.5M. Is there not value in that?

    Stauffer said today that Hemsky might get a return less than Horcoff.

    That’s why you keep your mouth shut and start announcing plans in public before they’re executed.

  44. Lowetide says:

    PunjabiOil:
    Ryder was another guy.62 points for two consecutive years (this past year was on pace for 62), and he gets 3.5M.Is there not value in that?

    Stauffer said today that Hemsky might get a return less than Horcoff.

    That’s why you keep your mouth shut and start announcing plans in public before they’re executed.

    Ryder is interesting but we don’t know if he was available to the Oilers. The BEST thing that could happen the rest of this summer is Hemsky staying. Seriously.

  45. uni says:

    Grabovski at 5.5 million for 4 years is looking better and better.

  46. Nostradumbass says:

    PunjabiOil: Ryder was another guy. 62 points for two consecutive years (this past year was on pace for 62), and he gets 3.5M. Is there not value in that?Stauffer said today that Hemsky might get a return less than Horcoff.That’s why you keep your mouth shut and start announcing plans in public before they’re executed.

    Yeah before I get critical of MacT let me say I loved his draft and the strategy he implemented, I think it bodes well for the future.

    But MacT is still carrying forward two lethal weaknesses that have plagued the Oilers for a long time.

    The first being the inability to shut our mouths about things; making big promises, indicating how anxious you are to sign an individual or bloviating about how certain players need to be moved serves no obvious advantage and presents several obvious disadvantages. Just STFU and go about your plan, don’t let anyone onto what it is.

    The second of course is the pathalogical need for the Oilers to employ buddies and draft or go after players with strong family or organizational ties. Can someone tell me what Will Acton’s NHL equivelents are?

  47. Магия¹º says:

    Lowetide: The BEST thing that could happen the rest of this summer is Hemsky staying. Seriously.

    He’s not going anywhere before trade deadline unless it’s for more than Horcoff.

  48. bookje says:

    PunjabiOil:
    MacT is riling up mistakes:

    1.Not picking up a guy like Gilbert over Ference (whose numbers are a huge concern)
    2.Offering Clarking north of 5.25M.Ridiculous.
    3.Missing out value signings like Pouliot.

    These next two days are basically it.After that, there are historically very little trade/signing activity.

    Stauffer said MacTavish has bought into analytics.Not sure where he is getting his numbers from, but cap efficiency has to be integrated into their numbers.

    The team has not marginally improved today.Ference is a better Whitney, Gordon is an best case Horcoff.Backup goalie will have nominal impact.

    I just don’t understand it.

    I’ve been a bit critical today, but I think you are a bit off base with your comparisons. Ference is a better Whitney and brings some good leadership skills (as opposed to infective misery). Others have also noted that he did play top 4 D on the Bruins which does suggest he could do so on the Oilers. Gordon is much better than Horcoff was this past year – he is more like Horcoff 3 years ago. Backup goalies are important and the team is better set up in net this year than last year.

    The Clarkson rumour is worrying.

  49. OilClog says:

    I don’t understand why moving Hemsky has ever been the motive anyways.. the MSM be damned. The man was playing with a broken foot for us! His numbers before the injury we’re fine, Kruger was failing in his line making.. but Hemsky was making things happen. We’re finally about to turn the corner.. Hemsky still has years left.. BLARG!

  50. Maverick says:

    Wow, what a crazy day in contract amounts and length of some contracts! Thank goodness Clarkson decided not to come here, if the Oilers did offer more than Toronto, that would have been a contract hard to swallow in a couple of years.

    I’ll give MacT a grade of a “B” for today, roster a little better but still lots of work to do, still need more compete in the lineup.

    MacT to do list:
    Free agent to sign: Grabovski need more depth at center he would help for sure.
    Trade possibilities of players shaking loose: Malone – Tampa or Dubinsky in Columbus or Coburn from Philly.

  51. Captain Happy says:

    striatic: i’m taking that into account.

    i don’t think this year’s FA crop is the best to swing for the fences with.

    i don’t even think that right now is a great time to trade Hemsky, what with the glut of quality RW UFAs this year.

    best wait until the deadline.

    That will be far too late.

    The teams the Oilers will likely be competing against for a wild card spot have made some significant improvements for next season.

    Unless the Oilers can beat out LAK, SJS, VCR and AB+NA for a top 3 spot in their division, they will likely be trying finish ahead of MIN, DAL and CLB for a wild card spot.

    CLB promises to be much better, ditto DAL and MIN is up to something else as they just traded Setoguchi to Winnipeg for a 4th round pick.

  52. Captain Happy says:

    OilClog:
    I don’t understand why moving Hemsky has ever been the motive anyways.. the MSM be damned. The man was playing with a broken foot for us! His numbers before the injury we’re fine, Kruger was failing in his line making.. but Hemsky was making things happen. We’re finally about to turn the corner.. Hemsky still has years left.. BLARG!

    Hemsky put his house up for sale this week.

    He’s already checked out.

  53. bookje says:

    Lowetide: Ryder is interesting but we don’t know if he was available to the Oilers. The BEST thing that could happen the rest of this summer is Hemsky staying. Seriously.

    I agree – there is no need to ship Hemsky off for a small return.

  54. Магия¹º says:

    bookje: The Clarkson rumour is worrying.

    Vanek
    Heatley
    Clarkson

    One can hope that Ahab never catches a damn thing. Singles and doubles, man. Depth. Develop the D. Trade for/pick up the last pieces at the right time.

  55. Lois Lowe says:

    DSF – Columbus isn’t the Oilers conference. They are in one of the Eastern conferences. They don’t matter. And I am not sure Dallas has done much more than tread water.

  56. Captain Happy says:

    Bob McKenzie ✔ @TSNBobMcKenzie

    Jarome Iginla is a Boston Bruin.

  57. bookje says:

    Captain Happy: That will be far too late.

    The teams the Oilers will likely be competing against for a wild card spot have made some significant improvements for next season.

    Unless the Oilers can beat out LAK, SJS, VCR and AB+NA for a top 3 spot in their division, they will likely be trying finish ahead of MIN, DAL and CLB for a wild card spot.

    CLB promises to be much better, ditto DAL and MIN is up to something else as they just traded Setoguchi to Winnipeg for a 4th round pick.

    Yes, we understand, you have stated it before. All other teams are getting better while the Oilers are getting worse. Don’t think about the logic of that for too long though as it doesn’t really work.

  58. ASkoreyko says:

    PunjabiOil,

    The problem with this thinking is assuming all of these transactions happen in a perfect market where all 30 GM’s are sitting there bidding on players like eBay.

    There is all sorts of circumstances that are both beyond our purview and control that determine who signs where. Judging a GM based upon this is a little short-sighted.

    Everything I saw about Ryder was between Boston and NJ. The guy is from NFLD and prob wanted to play closer to home, you can hardly put the blame for this squarely on MacT UNLESS you want him to overpay (which he is also getting blamed for doing). Value signings usually have more going on to them other than money, that is why they are value signings!

  59. striatic says:

    Captain Happy: The teams the Oilers will likely be competing against for a wild card spot have made some significant improvements for next season.

    right. so the Oilers won’t get the wildcard spot. i understand that.

    but since none of the UFAs out there right now will do much to help get that spot, it is game over for the summer.

    Oilers don’t have the assets to trade into a wildcard spot either. This isn’t an issue of balance, or not having the right assets, but of simply not having enough assets to do anything.

  60. cabbiesmacker says:

    striatic: or Filppula.

    We can only hope Sam was locked in on the Filppula deal. He’s an honest kid so he’d freely admit he’s about 2/3 the player Val is and then promptly sign for $3.1 per.

    Excellent.

  61. Captain Happy says:

    Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 21m

    Iggy deal: $1.8 M base salary, $3.7 M games played bonus, $500,000 goal scoring/team playoff performance: total $6 M

  62. OilClog says:

    Captain Happy: That will be far too late.

    The teams the Oilers will likely be competing against for a wild card spot have made some significant improvements for next season.

    Unless the Oilers can beat out LAK, SJS, VCR and AB+NA for a top 3 spot in their division, they will likely be trying finish ahead of MIN, DAL and CLB for a wild card spot.

    CLB promises to be much better, ditto DAL and MIN is up to something else as they just traded Setoguchi to Winnipeg for a 4th round pick.

    Perhaps a mold or termite issue is the cause of this, people sell property all the time. Hemsky is still an Oiler regardless of property owned.

  63. Captain Happy says:

    bookje: Yes, we understand, you have stated it before.All other teams are getting better while the Oilers are getting worse.Don’t think about the logic of that for too long though as it doesn’t really work.

    It’s worked for 7 years going on 8.

    Is that sustainable?

  64. cabbiesmacker says:

    Captain Happy:
    Bob McKenzie✔ @TSNBobMcKenzie

    Jarome Iginla is a Boston Bruin.

    Well damn. I wanted him to be a Bruin WHILE the Hawks were kicking their asses, not after.

    Iggy with a knot in his face is the best kind of Iggy. No cup for Igman ever please.

  65. cabbiesmacker says:

    Captain Happy: Hemsky put his house up for sale this week.

    He’s already checked out.

    Maybe he thought he was at practise?

  66. Captain Happy says:

    Mayheson on Clarkson:

    Power forward David Clarkson, who may or may not be a 30-goal, 125 PIMs guy (he’s had one 30-goal year), got seven years and about $5.25 mil per from the Maple Leafs, maybe leaving some money on the table here in Edmonton.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the Oilers offered the same term and $6 mil per, the same salary as Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle on their long-term deals which start this season. Clarkson doubled his Jersey salary and decided to stay in the East. He’s good, and tough, but $5.25 million a year as likely a second-liner playing with Joffrey Lupul and Nazem Kadri? We’ll see. The term is the eye-opener: seven years.

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/07/05/anaheims-bobby-ryan-flies-ducks-coop-to-ottawa/

  67. Captain Happy says:

    OilClog: Perhaps a mold or termite issue is the cause of this, people sell property all the time. Hemsky is still an Oiler regardless of property owned.

    I’m guessing rats.

  68. cabbiesmacker says:

    Captain Happy: I’m guessing rats.

    MBA’s?……mighty big ants

  69. Captain Happy says:

    Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 42m

    Matt Cooke signs for $7.5 M over 3 years in Minny

  70. gr8one says:

    Vanek may be up for grabs…depending on the cost to acquire is an intriguing idea, especially if he were to re-sign with us for a reasonable amount instead of that monstrosity he’s currently being paid(hehe KL)

    Hall Nuge Eberle
    Vanek Gagner Yakupov

    would be an absolute LETHAL top six with one or the other line getting softer minutes…yikes!

    on a more realistic level though…what are your thoughts on Peter Mueller for that 3 RW? he could easily move up into the top six but still add skill and size to that 3rd line, should be signable for less than 1.5m too, and he looked pretty good last year in half a season with no signs of his prior injuries plaguing him.

    PRV Gordon Mueller

    looks pretty damned good IMHO.

  71. bookje says:

    It’s hard to watch MacTavish in the press conference and really be confident that he understands that grit, warrior-ness, and not having sideburns are less important than skill in winning.

    His bemoaning the loss of Clarkson is strange and worrying. He was saved by Toronto today and he doesn’t even know it. That worries me!!

  72. striatic says:

    bookje: He was saved by Toronto today and he doesn’t even know it. That worries me!!

    he sort of was and sort of wasn’t. for next season, Clarkson makes the team better and the team had more than enough cap space to pay him, full stop.

    long term, that contract would have been something of a boat anchor. but only in the long term.

    MacT was upset because he saw next season evaporate before his eyes.

  73. bookje says:

    striatic,

    Yes, and to be fair, he makes the point that he is really looking for someone to compliment the existing top players and Clarkson may have done that well. So, that could be why he was soooo focused on him as an option.

  74. rich says:

    @ Bookje – You’re right. Watched the presser. MacT is a good communicator, but he left no doubt that his first ride thru free agency has been an educational experience. Welcome to the big leagues.

    He’ll get better, but there’s no doubt that he was saved from making a “Kevin Lowe like” mistake on Clarkson (massive overpay).

    I do think that the Gordon, Ference and LaBarbarra signings will be ok. The Horcoff trade is ok, but I don’t see it as being that much far afield from what Tambellini did in unloading some of Lowe’s brutal contracts. We unloaded a bad deal, but didn’t get better as a team for it.

    His handling of Hemsky and ability to get something done with Gagner and MPS are going to be tells. I’m sure that some GM’s – perhaps Holmgren will still try and take advantage of him. Getting equal to greater value back is going to be a test of his ability to build this team and not have it continue to tread water.

  75. Ducey says:

    Meh, if he would have signed Clarkson for big bucks, why does it matter? It would have been maybe $500 K over his market rate and maybe a $1 million a year over what people here would deem acceptable. Is $1 million a yr much to get excited about? This team likely will never have to worry about the Cap and guys are always happy to be traded away from here.

    I’d be happy to watch a real NHL player play a few years.

    There are still some holes up front. If they are ditching Hemsky (which they are) how about Brad Boyes or Chad Larose? Larose had an absolutely terrible year last year with just 4 points in 35 games. I don’t know what the problem was (maybe they played him in goal) but he had 32 pts in 67 games the year before. Maybe a smart pickup?

  76. striatic says:

    Ducey: There are still some holes up front. If they are ditching Hemsky (which they are) how about Brad Boyes or Chad Larose?

    both are too old.

  77. Ducey says:

    striatic: both are too old.

    31 is too old? Hemsky is 29.

  78. striatic says:

    Ducey,

    yes. 31 is too old. those two years mean a lot.

  79. Ducey says:

    striatic:
    Ducey,

    yes. 31 is too old. those two years mean a lot.

    Hemsky turns 30 in August. He is washed up then? Or its just when you turn 31? :)

    I am thinking the Oilers just sign one of these guys for a year, hope he has good year, and then flip him at the deadline. Along the way they might help the kids and fill out the top 9.

  80. Captain Happy says:

    striatic:
    Ducey,

    yes. 31 is too old. those two years mean a lot.

    Martin St. Louis is 38. (he won the scoring title)

    Chris Kunitz is 33.

    Pavel Dastyuk is 35.

    Mike Ribiero is 33.

    Henrik Zetterburg is 32.

    Henrik Sedin is 32

    All were top 20 scorers last season.

  81. supernova says:

    Lowetide,

    Do you think Phoenix still might be a good trade option with the oilers.

    They need skill, not as desperate for a Center anymore with Ribeiro signing.

    Wonder if a Hemsky and nick Schultz plus something would start the conversation on Yandle now.

    The plus something would have to be very decent but…

    A lot of Phoenix’ trade partners for Yandle are no longer there.

  82. LostBoy says:

    I’m not real sure what I think of today. Objectively, it’s not really all THAT much different than two years ago. Those signings back then were a sort of false dawn, though there was the Barker WTF. None of them worked out, but they felt like steps in the right direction at the time. This doesn’t feel that different. I think Boyd Gordon is an excellent addition, Labarbera is okay but almost seems like a move to mollify Dubnyk, who more or less called for him after the Schneider drama. The rest are rolls of the dice.

    That said, on a hockey level I can’t really get excited about the term and cap hit of the Ference signing. But Andrew Ference has been one of my favourite NHL personalities. I don’t necessarily think politics mixes with pro sports, but a genuine outspoken tattooed lefty is a refreshing thing in hockey. He’s kinda sorta the NHL equivalent of a Chris Kluwe. The twitter pic he sent out to announce his signing was awesome. Glad he’s an Oiler.

  83. striatic says:

    Ducey,

    it isn’t so much that they are washed up, but you start having to deal with predicting at what point they will become washed up over the course of a contract.

  84. PunjabiOil says:

    The problem is the Oilers haven’t done enough today. Still work to do, and they need to get in on that very quickly.

  85. Melman says:

    Do you trade N.Schultz & Paajarvi for Hartnell & Meszaros? Does Philly do that deal?

  86. Lowetide says:

    PunjabiOil:
    The problem is the Oilers haven’t done enough today.Still work to do, and they need to get in on that very quickly.

    Agree on that, completely. Especially (and incredibly) up front. If they want a guy with size who can play a complementary role then they must do it now because there aren’t many left who can do that kind of thing.

    Same with center. Do those two things and then filling in the bottom becomes somewhat easier.

  87. supernova says:

    Man alive I think Oilersnation ( not the website, but all the fans) should be called Bi-polar nation.

    MacT is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t

    We complain all year about lacking size, toughness and heart but when he makes a offer to get those type of players, he gets lambasted. I just don’t get it.

    Very simple those types of players are rare, the law of supply and demand. Good grief.

    Also on Centers, we complain about Horcoff and cap hit for years, the second he is gone, it’s what the hell is MacT doing ? We have no Center depth.

    We add a Center that has defensive acumen, right handed, and can win draws and now we don’t want to pay the market price. Take a look around and look what 3 and 4 line players go for, sure the contract might be a tad high but it wasn’t outrageous. If you don’t have it you are willing to pay for more.

    Bi-polar nation

  88. striatic says:

    Lowetide: Jesse Spector has the Oilers, Sens and Islanders as the winners on the day

    i think Detroit did better than everybody there, other than the Sens.

  89. striatic says:

    supernova: We complain all year about lacking size, toughness and heart but when he makes a offer to get those type of players, he gets lambasted. I just don’t get it.

    those kinds of complaints haven’t exactly been present in high volume in this particular comments section.

    supernova: Also on Centers, we complain about Horcoff and cap hit for years, the second he is gone, it’s what the hell is MacT doing ? We have no Center depth.

    this blog and its peanut gallery have mostly been Horcoff apologists for years.

  90. Lowetide says:

    supernova:
    Lowetide,

    Do you think Phoenix still might be a good trade option with the oilers.

    They need skill, not as desperate for a Center anymore with Ribeiro signing.

    Wonder if a Hemsky and nick Schultz plus something would start the conversation on Yandle now.

    The plus something would have to be very decent but…

    A lot of Phoenix’ trade partners for Yandle are no longer there.

    I think we can know the teams that would be interested in Hemsky, and certainly Phoenix is one. I’ll also say Ottawa, Montreal, Detroit and Nashville.

  91. G Money says:

    Still bummed that we didn’t get Lapierre.

    He’s a 4th line center, can usually make/take a pass, 3rd best at FO% on the nuckleheads, and exactly the kind of chippy dirty irritating loudmouth bastard that the Oilers could use to break the ‘nice guy’ mold. His Corsi is terrible, but a 75% own zone start kind of explains that (in fact, the numbers are quite similar to Malhotra’s)… certainly an upgrade on Lander or Smyth at centre. Sigh.

    With Boston getting Iggy as a winger, they don’t need Hemsky (as was rumoured). I guess we hang on to him and hope he can revert to the kind of possession numbers he had before Krueger came along.

    I’m now pinning my hopes on a Gagner-Grabovski-Yak second line … that’s an improvement but I’m not convinced that MPS-Gordon-Hemsky and Smyth-Lander-Brown are any better than the shot/chance/goal sieves that we had last year.

    Better hope all that was Whitney’s fault.

  92. striatic says:

    G Money: I’m now pinning my hopes on a Gagner-Grabovski-Yak second line

    Gagner is a left winger?

    when he’s played wing it has always been RW.

  93. Rondo says:

    Trade MPS for Scott Laughton if you want a center

  94. supernova says:

    G Money,

    Agree with you on Lapierre

    Good signing for good value by St.Louis

    Man that St. Louis team with a tweak or two is right there. Big, strong, multiple lines, good D, good goaltending (sometimes suspect)

    I really wonder if they would deal Stewart for some speed or high end skill. Thinking Hemsky and picks or paajarvi and something

  95. Koho says:

    I’m very happy about today’s signings.

    It was exactly what we needed from the free agent pool.

    Boyd Gordon fits perfectly and I think he’s worth every penny of that contract.

    Great Day.

  96. VOR says:

    LT,

    I think you need to add Colorado to the teams that would be interested in Hemsky.

  97. BlacqueJacque says:

    I can’t believe Chiarelli signed Iginla after he and his scouts saw him in the playoffs.

    Iginla’s SA/60, Corsi, defensive play – every non-traditional stat screams already-average player continuing his steep decline.

    I thought the Bs made a decent deal by trading Seguin, bailing on the kid before his habits lead him down Daigle Street or Falloon Avenue, but this Iginla signing – especially after he slapped them in the face (and did them a favor) by going to Pittsburgh.

  98. RMGS says:

    A look at the NHL depth chart helps with assessing MacT’s performance and what remains to be done:

    RNH
    Gagner
    Gordon
    Lander

    A 2C/3C is essential given 1) Nuge will be injured or rushed back too soon to start the season, 2) Gagner may actually be a RW, and 3) Lander needs a full year in the minors.

    Hall
    MPS
    Smyth
    Joensuu

    A real 2LW is needed.

    Eberle
    Yak
    XXX
    XXX

    Hemsky should stay (especially if they pick up Grabovski), but he’s sold his house FFS. Please don’t tell me they’re contemplating filling the XXXs with newly signed ex-Marlies – or worse with Jones and Brown.

    Petty
    Smid
    N. Schultz
    Ference
    J. Schultz
    Belov
    Larsen
    Potter

    So, Belov could surprise and J. Schultz may skip the sophomore jinx, but otherwise, every D is slotted one tier too high. Too many projects for such an important position. This is a serious concern. At least one top-2 D is needed.

    Dubnyk
    LaBarbara

    Solved!

  99. Lois Lowe says:

    VOR:

    I think you need to add Colorado to the teams that would be interested in Hemsky.

    I would think Dallas might be interested at the right price.

  100. G Money says:

    striatic: Gagner is a left winger?
    when he’s played wing it has always been RW.

    I thought so too, but was informed by someone who sounded smart that he could/would/should play LW, so that’s why I now pin my hopes there!

    BlacqueJacque: I thought the Bs made a decent deal by trading Seguin, bailing on the kid before his habits lead him down Daigle Street or Falloon Avenue, but this Iginla signing – especially after he slapped them in the face (and did them a favor) by going to Pittsburgh.

    This is a really good example of why you need to keep personal feelings out of it if you’re going to be a GM. Iginla’s decision was a business decision. Chiarelli’s decision was a business decision. The way it should be.

    Rondo:
    Trade MPS for Scott Laughton if you want a center

    The problem with trades of that kind is they create other gaps. Trade MPS for a 4C (if you could make that trade) and now you have to find a 3L.

  101. uni says:

    BlacqueJacque: I thought the Bs made a decent deal by trading Seguin, bailing on the kid before his habits lead him down Daigle Street or Falloon Avenue, but this Iginla signing – especially after he slapped them in the face (and did them a favor) by going to Pittsburgh.

    It’s a business, you have to treat it as such. If they think Iginla can bounce back or play a complimentary role and pop 30 goals with cherry minutes and won’t adversely affect the team then by all means.

    When you start letting personal agendas get in the way, like holding a grudge, you end up turning down Corey Perry and a pick for Mike Comrie.

  102. G Money says:

    Khabi back to the Hawks??

  103. Lewis Grant says:

    Derek Roy! Derek Roy!

    5 consecutive seasons of .8 PPG (really!) prior to last 2 years. Defensively strong. Hardly noticed in Buffalo and Dallas, one of the most underrated players in hockey. Acquired at a high price by Van at trade deadline, Canucks then lost in first round – must be Roy’s fault, right? What a bust! In other words, he will never come cheaper than now.

    It’ll never happen, because he’s 5’9″, and we seem obsessed with getting bigger. But you sign him to 2C for probably not more than $4M, trade Gagner for Coburn+ (or Hjalmarsson or Yandle or some other top 4 D), and you’re set. When someone else signs Roy to a value contract, I’m going to be displeased.

  104. prairieschooner says:

    Oilers picked off some low hanging fruit today
    There is some more difficult work ahead

  105. BlacqueJacque says:

    G Money,

    It’s a bad business decision. Whether from the point of stats for dollars or from considering the fan base. $6M for Iginla is bad. $6M for an Iginla who your fans hate is worse.

  106. Magnus says:

    bookje: I’ve been a bit critical today, but I think you are a bit off base with your comparisons.Ference is a better Whitney and brings some good leadership skills (as opposed to infective misery).Others have also noted that he did play top 4 D on the Bruins which does suggest he could do so on the Oilers.Gordon is much better than Horcoff was this past year – he is more like Horcoff 3 years ago.Backup goalies are important and the team is better set up in net this year than last year.

    3 years ago Horcoff was scoring 13 goals & 36 pts while playing 1/2nd line minutes. I don’t see Gordon doing that any time soon, or ever. Gordon is a big improvement on Belanger, and in the same role… 4th line checking center.

  107. SoxandOil says:

    Has anyone seen or heard how Zharkov is doing at development camp? Or if he has a NHL out clause on his new KHL deal?

    This is a big reach of a idea but I wonder how he would perform in the top 6. IIRC he has the size, speed and shot that would be a fit. He would be a defensive liability but would be cheap.
    Something like:

    Hall – Gagner – Yakupov
    Zharkov – Nuge – Eberle

  108. Lowetide says:

    Last year, Shawn Horcoff played 11:50 a night at evens, 2:29 on the PK and 2:31 on the PP. Gordon played 12:00 a night at evens, 2:51 on the PK and didn’t play PP. Gordon played the same role and minutes as Horcoff save for the PP.

    Horcoff scored 1.34/60 at 5×5 this season, Gordon 1.18/60. That’s not a lot of difference.

  109. G Money says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    G Money,

    It’s a bad business decision.Whether from the point of stats for dollars or from considering the fan base.$6M for Iginla is bad.$6M for an Iginla who your fans hate is worse.

    Maybe, but the actual deal is not so cut & dried. It seems he’s coming in for $1.8M base, with lots of incentives for games played and points scored bringing the max value up to $6M.

    If you have the cap room (which I assume Boston does), seems like you’ve capped your downside risk to $1.8m of cash outlay, and only pay $6M if he delivers like the Iginla of old. Sounds like a pretty decent business deal actually.

  110. jbfuzz says:

    As far as the D goes, I see something to the effect of N. Schulz and a prospect (Musil) for Coburn. Gives the Flyers a short-term stopgap that can play, a prospect for the future and some cap relief for next year. Oilers get an upgrade and slowly move towards a more functional blue.

    I could see Grabovski… but I think the “power forward” solution will likely be a trade for a Foligno or Umberger out of CLB.

    Hope Zack Smith is still in play to round out the C. If the plan is indeed to have Lander to start the here, I might slap my palm through to the back of my skull. Do these guys ever learn anything?

  111. Woodguy says:

    supernova,

    We complain all year about lacking size, toughness and heart but when he makes a offer to get those type of players, he gets lambasted. I just don’t get it.

    Offering a 29 year old who got over 40 points in a season once in his whole career $6MM x 7 years isn’t smart.

  112. Woodguy says:

    jbfuzz,

    I could see Grabovski… but I think the “power forward” solution will likely be a trade for a Foligno or Umberger out of CLB.

    I can see a big trade with CBJ involving 3 players on each side.

    Something like Gagner-Paajarvi-N.Shult/Smid for Umberger-Dubinsky-Tyutin

  113. Captain Happy says:

    Lowetide:
    Last year, Shawn Horcoff played 11:50 a night at evens, 2:29 on the PK and 2:31 on the PP. Gordon played 12:00 a night at evens, 2:51 on the PK and didn’t play PP. Gordon played the same role and minutes as Horcoff save for the PP.

    Horcoff scored 1.34/60 at 5×5 this season, Gordon 1.18/60. That’s not a lot of difference.

    In effect, the Oilers traded Horcoff’s $5.5M cap hit for Boyd Gordon ($3M cap hit) and Phillip Larsen $1.1M cap hit).

    So, they’ve saved $1.4M in cap hit for little gain.

    If Ference is an upgrade on Whitney (likely) they’ve saved another $1M in cap space.

    Labarbara (.923) saves them another whack of cap space while removing Khabi (.923)

    So, they may be slightly better and have about $5M more in cap space but they aren’t much closer to the end zone than they were yesterday.

  114. Woodguy says:

    I think signing Grabovski give MacT a ton of flexibility to make trades to fill the bigger holes.

    I doubt he does it though.

  115. Woodguy says:

    Khabby signs for 1 year $2MM in CHI.

  116. Captain Happy says:

    Woodguy:
    jbfuzz,

    I could see Grabovski… but I think the “power forward” solution will likely be a trade for a Foligno or Umberger out of CLB.

    I can see a big trade with CBJ involving 3 players on each side.

    Something like Gagner-Paajarvi-N.Shult/Smid for Umberger-Dubinsky-Tyutin

    John Davidson is not an idiot.

    You’re suggesting he should lose every element of that trade.

  117. "Steve Smith" says:

    Woodguy: Something like Gagner-Paajarvi-N.Shult/Smid for Umberger-Dubinsky-Tyutin

    I see that my lecture on the correct spelling of “Schultz” really took.

  118. jp says:

    Lowetide:
    Jesse Spector has the Oilers, Sens and Islanders as the winners on the day

    http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/story/2013-07-05/nhl-free-agency-winners-losers-bobby-ryan-sens-oilers-news-travis-hamonic?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=jessespector

    He also has the Leafs as the big losers, largely due to the Clarkson signing.
    http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/story/2013-07-05/david-clarkson-maple-leafs-tyler-bozak-mikhail-grabovski-free-agency-losers

    Lewis Grant:
    Derek Roy!Derek Roy!

    5 consecutive seasons of .8 PPG (really!) prior to last 2 years.Defensively strong.Hardly noticed inBuffalo and Dallas, one of the most underrated players in hockey.Acquired at a high price by Van at trade deadline, Canucks then lost in first round – must be Roy’s fault, right?What a bust!In other words, he will never come cheaper than now.

    It’ll never happen, because he’s 5’9″, and we seem obsessed with getting bigger.But you sign him to 2C for probably not more than $4M, trade Gagner for Coburn+ (or Hjalmarsson or Yandle or some other top 4 D), and you’re set.When someone else signs Roy to a value contract, I’m going to be displeased.

    Yes please.

    SoxandOil:
    Has anyone seen or heard how Zharkov is doing at development camp? Or if he has a NHL out clause on his new KHL deal?

    This is a big reach of a idea but I wonder how he would perform in the top 6. IIRC he has the size, speed and shot that would be a fit. He would be a defensive liability but would be cheap.
    Something like:

    Hall – Gagner – Yakupov
    Zharkov – Nuge – Eberle

    Sweet Good God man! Zharkov scored 43 pts in the OHL this past season.

  119. Young Oil says:

    I honestly don’t get why everyone is so obsessed with Coburn. In my opinion, from what I’ve seen, he doesn’t seem to be a massive upgrade over Ference, except a bit younger and a bit less injury prone. I haven’t looked into advanced stats, maybe they show a different story.

    Sure, he’s an upgrade to our top 4, but I would say both Petry and Smid are better than him, and there are probably options out there that would come at less of a price to acquire and cap hit.

    He is definitely not worth the top prospect and high draft pick as rumored. I would put him along the same value as Setoguchi.

    Anything more than Potter/Musil and a 2nd for Coburn is an overpay in my opinion.

  120. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide,

    Horcoff scored 1.34/60 at 5×5 this season, Gordon 1.18/60. That’s not a lot of difference.

    Especially when you consider each players’s most common line mates.

    Linemates with min 95 minutes together last year:

    Horcoff:
    Yakupov
    Hall
    Jones
    Hemsky

    Gordon:
    Moss
    Klinkhammer
    Korpikoski

    Gordon was also given tougher comp and zone starts.

    Zona and Willis have both said that Gordon today is a downgrade from Horcoff but I don’t buy it.

  121. Woodguy says:

    “Steve Smith”: I see that my lecture on the correct spelling of “Schultz” really took.

    I did that for you.

    <3

  122. LostBoy says:

    Woodguy,

    You really want to take on four more years of Umberger at a cap hit of $4.6m? He’s been eroding across the board the past two seasons. It’s a poisonous contract, unless we’re essentially trading our remaining compliance buyout. Sub in Johansen and whatever sweeteners are needed either way, though, and I run not walk toward that exchange, especially if it’s Nick Schultz going the other way (nothing against Schultz, I just think his cap hit is on the way out one way or another).

  123. Ca$h-Money! says:

    Woodguy,

    It’s weird. I follow blogs for about 10 teams, and for every single one, the bloggers of that team were saying Boyd Gordon needed to be at the top of the shopping list. He was arguably the best defensive forward available today, a guy you can place squarely in your own end and expect him to move the puck up ice to allow the 1 & 2 lines the opportunity to spend their time scoring. This is a guy in the Manny Malhotra mold. It’s an excellent pickup, one everyone wanted. We got him, and if it’s an overpay, it’s maybe 0.5m more than I would have liked… but I also figured we’d only get 2 years.

    There is plenty of time left to fill holes. I know I sound like a broken record, but let’s hold off on jumping off the cliff until the free agency & trades are done. Heck, let’s see how the team does under its new management before we condemn it.

  124. Woodguy says:

    Captain Happy: John Davidson is not an idiot.

    You’re suggesting he should lose every element of that trade.

    I just pulled it out of my ass.

    More or less to show a structure.

    Gagner is a better offensive C than what they have, even if you like Dubinsky’s overall game more.

    Umburger is 31 and has 4 years left on his contract, so there is risk of him falling off in the next few years, and you can argue that at $4.6MM he’s overpaid for what he brings.

    Tyutin will be 30 when the season starts and has 5 years left on his contract, there is downside there too.

    Gagner is trending up, Paajarvi is trending up. Probably need to make it Smid to make that deal work better.

    Still a deal the OIlers win, but not as lopsided as you think.

    Just spitballing

  125. Woodguy says:

    Ca$h-Money!:
    Woodguy,

    It’s weird.I follow blogs for about 10 teams, and for every single one, the bloggers of that team were saying Boyd Gordon needed to be at the top of the shopping list.He was arguably the best defensive forward available today, a guy you can place squarely in your own end and expect him to move the puck up ice to allow the 1 & 2 lines the opportunity to spend their time scoring.This is a guy in the Manny Malhotra mold.It’s an excellent pickup, one everyone wanted. We got him, and if it’s an overpay, it’s maybe 0.5m more than I would have liked… but I also figured we’d only get 2 years.

    There is plenty of time left to fill holes.I know I sound like a broken record, but let’s hold off on jumping off the cliff until the free agency & trades are done.Heck, let’s see how the team does under its new management before we condemn it.

    Agreed all points.

    I think Eakins will give him the Maholtra treatment and keep him around 30% OZ start and give the OZ starts to the first 2 lines and match the 3rd like hell.

    Good to see they have a C who can do it.

    I like the Gordon signing a lot.

  126. Woodguy says:

    LostBoy:
    Woodguy,

    You really want to take on four more years of Umberger at a cap hit of $4.6m?He’s been eroding across the board the past two seasons.It’s a poisonous contract, unless we’re essentiallytrading our remaining compliance buyout.Sub in Johansen and whatever sweeteners are needed either way, though, and I run not walk toward that exchange, especially if it’s Nick Schultz going the other way (nothing against Schultz, I just think his cap hit is on the way out one way or another).

    I don’t want him.

    Just spitballing what MacT might do.

  127. Young Oil says:

    Woodguy:
    jbfuzz,

    I could see Grabovski… but I think the “power forward” solution will likely be a trade for a Foligno or Umberger out of CLB.

    I can see a big trade with CBJ involving 3 players on each side.

    Something like Gagner-Paajarvi-N.Shult/Smid for Umberger-Dubinsky-Tyutin

    This. All day. The Oilers need someone like Dubinski as a #2C, and Kekalainen has gone on record saying he loves small players with heart, and Gagner fits that perfectly.

    I would suggest an alternative though: If MacT doesn’t want to take on the Umberger contract/CBJ doesn’t want to give up Tyutin, would something like Gagner+N.Schultz+2014 1st (or 2nd ideally) for Dubinski+Nikitin be plausible?

    Belov and Nikitin have played together before, and that would make a solid #3 pairing.

    Smid-Petry
    Ference-J. Schultz
    Belov-Nikitin

    Is that even mildly possible?

  128. SoxandOil says:

    jp,

    Oh I agree 100% but he is a no cost option. Right now there’s not many options out there. Its a crazy idea but with his speed and heavy shot he just might work.

  129. G Money says:

    Young Oil: I honestly don’t get why everyone is so obsessed with Coburn. In my opinion, from what I’ve seen, he doesn’t seem to be a massive upgrade over Ference, except a bit younger and a bit less injury prone.

    - He’s 6’5″, 220 lbs
    - Western Canadian boy
    - is a 22 mins / game workhorse
    - plays a decent physical game, say 150 hits / season
    - His stats (pts, +-) last year were terrible, but for most of his career, he’s been a 20ish point guy solidly in plus territory
    - 28 yrs old

    So there’s a bit of risk here (as in – why was he so bad last year?), and his cap hit is $4.5M, but otherwise he is very much a solid top 4 defender, just entering his prime.

    Don’t know if anyone is obsessed, but this would be a very good player to have on our side.

  130. jb says:

    Captain Happy: John Davidson is not an idiot.

    You’re suggesting he should lose every element of that trade.

    Oilers don’t even do that deal if it’s Smid. What do you know about trade value anyway? Tell us what Cory Schneider under the brilliant Mike Gillis is worth again?

  131. SoxandOil says:

    Young Oil,

    Agree with you on Dubinsky but don’t hold your breathe on Columbus trading him. But someone like him would be a perfect fit for the Oilers. A LW who could fill in at center when needed. He could fill in at C when Nuge is on the shelf the shift back to LW when Nuge is healthy. How many power LW/C’s are out there?

  132. jp says:

    Captain Happy: John Davidson is not an idiot.

    You’re suggesting he should lose every element of that trade.

    Not sure I agree – and there’d be some upside going to CBJ. Plus a savings of something like 3M in salary. All 3 Jackets are getting paid over 4M/yr.

  133. Young Oil says:

    SoxandOil:
    Young Oil,

    Agree with you on Dubinskybut don’t hold your breathe on Columbus trading him. But someone like him would be a perfect fit for the Oilers. A LW who could fill in at center when needed. He could fill in atC when Nuge is on the shelf the shift back to LW when Nuge is healthy. How many power LW/C’s are out there?

    Maybe we can turn Taylor Hall into one :D

  134. Ca$h-Money! says:

    Khabibulin got $2m from Chicago

    That’s more than Emery got

    That’s more than Khudobin

    That’s more than Labarberra

    LORDY

    Also it’s a pretty good indication that we could have traded him for picks/prospects… if the stanley cup champs are willing to pay him that kind of money, GMs in this league must believe he has some value.

    Again… LORDY

  135. G Money says:

    Ca$h-Money!,

    Hey, as one money guy to another, Khabi had a .923 SV % last year, better than Emery, Khudobin, or Labarbera … the guy’s a star! I don’t understand why we didn’t keep him and make him our starter!

    Oh … wait …

  136. Woodguy says:

    PIT needs to shed some salary.

    20 players signed and only $650K left in cap space.

    I wonder if Beau Bennett’s emergence this year makes Neal expendable?

    Big heavy LW with very heavy shot at $5M x 5 years.

    Paajarvi + 1st next year + prospect?

  137. jbfuzz says:

    Woodguy,

    I think Umberger will be in play given the Horton contract. Another name to keep in mind (think Stauffer mentioned it) is Kumelin from TML. I wonder if some unlikely sequence of events like signing Grabvski, flipping Gagner to TML for Kumelin and Gardiner has any hope in hell. Like Gagner lots, but strange things happen sometimes.

  138. Woodguy says:

    Maybe take Jokinen off their hands to help them too.

    Hemsky (with OIlers keeping $2.5MM of his salary) + Pajaarvi + 1st for Neal and Joiknen?

  139. Woodguy says:

    jbfuzz:
    Woodguy,

    I think Umberger will be in play given the Horton contract. Another name to keep in mind (think Stauffer mentioned it) is Kumelin from TML. I wonder if some unlikely sequence of events like signing Grabvski, flipping Gagner to TML for Kumelin and Gardiner has any hope in hell. Like Gagner lots, but strange things happen sometimes.

    I like all that.

    Grabbo and Kulimen are 2 of my favs and Gardiner will be a Dman in the Keith mould.

  140. jp says:

    SoxandOil:
    jp,

    Oh I agree 100% but he is a no cost option. Right now there’s not many options out there. Its a crazy idea but with his speed and heavy shot he just might work.

    Fair enough. I just don’t see any chance of that happening or working.

  141. LostBoy says:

    Horcoff’s comments, from Joanne Ireland’s Journal story:

    “I put a lot of time in there and I didn’t make a decision based on that. I just felt it was time for my family and I to just try something new,” Horcoff said. “It was starting to wear on me a bit, especially the last game of the season. I looked around the dressing room and to know we were in the playoffs with eight games to go only to not make it, was really tough.

    “It was different for the rest of the players. They’re young. They have their futures ahead of them. For me, I’m getting older and realizing that time is running out. Maybe it was just time for them to go in a different direction and really lean on those younger guys in a leadership role.”

    THE LAST GAME OF THE SEASON

    That would be the game vs Van with the happy bonus-securing celebrations. And who knows what happy vibe in the dressing room after several million dollars were secured.

    Now, sure, you can read what he says any number of ways.

    But wow. A somewhat stark and uncomfortable parting word on the differing outlooks in the room, the last couple of years.

    Can’t forget Hall being captured on camera bitching about Renney’s decision to pull the goalie when three goals down, thus costing him a minus.

    Kids these days is different.

  142. G Money says:

    Oilers cap situation (cap room, players signed, $/position):

    Oilers $13,910,833 19 $3,477,708

    Teams in cap trouble (team, cap room, players signed, $/position for 23 man roster):

    Flyers -$1,053,522 24 – (need to lose a player >$1M in salary)
    Sharks $268,333 21 $134,167
    Penguins $676,667 20 $225,556

    Teams who may have some problems:

    Hurricanes $5,435,000 18 $1,087,000
    Canucks $5,697,222 18 $1,139,444
    Kings $5,203,106 19 $1,300,777
    Lightning $2,609,523 21 $1,304,762

  143. jbfuzz says:

    Woodguy,

    Opportunity knocks sometimes. Worse things than a Kulemin-Grabovski-Yakupov 2nd line and the ability to use some D depth and a Hemsky (as he’s ear-marked out the door) to address the 3rd and 4th lines.

  144. jp says:

    jbfuzz:
    Woodguy,

    I wonder if some unlikely sequence of events like signing Grabvski, flipping Gagner to TML for Kumelin and Gardiner has any hope in hell. Like Gagner lots, but strange things happen sometimes.

    Woodguy:
    Maybe take Jokinen off their hands to help them too.

    Hemsky (with OIlers keeping $2.5MM of his salary) + Pajaarvi + 1st for Neal and Joiknen?

    That all seem like too much to even hope for.

    On another note: I’m so, so f’ing glad the Oil didn’t sign Lapierre. He’s an effective hockey player, but I don’t think I could have taken watching his mug all year.

  145. gogliano says:

    ETA: oops post…

    Why can’t you delete a comment within the five minute edit window?

  146. gcw_rocks says:

    I don’t know how anyone could say MacT had a good 24 hours. The Ference deal is awful. He passed on Grabo and Gilbert on waivers despite both bringing skills the Oilers desperately need. He signed Labarbera over khudobin and paid more to do it. And we have the Oilers parrot talking about Lander and the new Finn in the opening night line up. And he wasted time chasing Clarkson and offering him stupid money. The Gordon deal was his only good deal.

    It was not Tambo bad, but it was pretty bad.

  147. Captain Happy says:

    jb: Oilers don’t even do that deal if it’s Smid. What do you know about trade value anyway? Tell us what Cory Schneider under the brilliant Mike Gillis is worth again?

    The next Patrice Bergeron.

  148. jb says:

    Any Canuck fans around? I need to know how Cory Schneider, the savior, turned into dust. Is the city currently in a state of confusion? Should the people now flip back and support Luongo? or hold their ground? Why would Luongo want to give his best for such a weak organization and fanbase?

    Last question. Will the Oilers be better than Vancounver in 1 year or 2?

  149. Captain Happy says:

    Renaud Lavoie @RenLavoieRDS

    Jonathan Bernier sign with Maple Leafs. 2 years / $5.8M #RDS

  150. jb says:

    Captain Happy: The next Patrice Bergeron.

    Apply that blind optimism towards the Oilers, and I think you’ve found your internet home. What makes Bo Horvat such a can’t miss prospect while Pjaarvii’s basically garbage in your view?

    Horvats 0.5 ppg Junior season is pitiful compared to anything Bergeron ever put up.. Horvats never hit the PPG mark in Junior either..

  151. Captain Happy says:

    jb: Apply that blind optimism towards the Oilers, and I think you’ve found your internet home. What makes Bo Horvat such a can’t miss prospect while Pjaarvii’s basically garbage in your view?

    33G and 61P.

    In his best QMJHL season Bergeron scored 23G and 70P.

    Pretty close.

    Paajarvi has never scored much at any level.

  152. Maverick says:

    Options for MacT:

    1. If Ryan Malone shakes loose and waives his NTC do they take a shot at him for a 3rd round pick? Cap hit is 4.5m for 2 more years. He is 33 and lost time due to injury. Tampa is pretty close to the cap.

    2. Sign Grabovski. Not a big Center but strengthens a position that is currently still weak. When the going get tough in December and they can send over the boards, Grabovski and then Gordon or Lander and giving RNH or Gagner the soft minutes I think it would be a plus. 2 or 3 year deal 3.5/4.5m a season?

    3. Dubinsky or Foligno from Columbus. Would love to see Dubinsky in a Oilers uniform but really don’t think Columbus would trade him. So maybe Foligno? 3rd line winger with the opportunity to slide into the 2nd line if needed.

    Personally I’m hoping for Grabovski and then possibly one of the above wingers; Malone or Dubinsky or Foligno, is that an improvement for the Oilers? Is it realistic?

  153. Young Oil says:

    Maverick:
    Options for MacT:

    1. If Ryan Malone shakes loose and waives his NTC do they take a shot at him for a 3rd round pick? Cap hit is 4.5m for 2 more years.He is 33 and lost time due to injury.Tampa is pretty close to the cap.

    2. Sign Grabovski. Not a big Center but strengthens a position that is currently still weak.When the going get tough in December and they can send over the boards, Grabovski and then Gordon or Lander and giving RNH or Gagner the soft minutes I think it would be a plus.2 or 3 year deal 3.5/4.5m a season?

    3. Dubinsky or Foligno from Columbus.Would love to see Dubinsky in a Oilers uniform but really don’t think Columbus would trade him.So maybe Foligno? 3rd line winger with the opportunity to slide into the 2nd line if needed.

    Personally I’m hoping for Grabovski and then possibly one of the above wingers; Malone or Dubinsky or Foligno, is that an improvement for the Oilers? Is it realistic?

    I think Gagner and whatever pick Columbus wants for Dubinski is worth it. He is badly needed on this team, and can also play center if needed. As I suggested earlier, maybe Gagner+N.Schultz+1st for Dubinski+Nikitin is possible. Combine that with trading Hemsky for help in the bottom 6, signing Grabovski to something like a 4 year 16M contract and things are looking pretty good! Never gonna happen, but I can dream!

  154. Captain Happy says:

    Dubinsky > Gagner

    Nikitin > Schultz

    1st round pick next year…dubious.

    Columbus has no motivation to do this.

  155. bookje says:

    Lowetide:
    Last year, Shawn Horcoff played 11:50 a night at evens, 2:29 on the PK and 2:31 on the PP. Gordon played 12:00 a night at evens, 2:51 on the PK and didn’t play PP. Gordon played the same role and minutes as Horcoff save for the PP.

    Horcoff scored 1.34/60 at 5×5 this season, Gordon 1.18/60. That’s not a lot of difference.

    LT, good points, but the difference is that this past year Horcoff got much more favorable zone starts and easier levels of competition.

  156. G Money says:

    jb: What makes Bo Horvat such a can’t miss prospect while Pjaarvii’s basically garbage in your view?

    Didn’t you know? It’s because Pajaarvi is an Oiler and Horvat is a Canuck. Any prospect not drafted by the Oilers will always live up to the most positive scouting report, while any Oiler prospect will always live down to the worst scouting report.

    For example, did you know that Lindholm will be better than Gagner next year, Nichushkin will be a first line winger, and Horvat … well, you already know he’s the next Patrice Bergeron!

    Of course, if the Oilers had drafted Horvat and the Canucks drafted Nurse, you can bet that Captain’s predictions would have Horvat as the next Ryan O’Marra and Nurse as the next Pronger.

    Have the Captain tell you about his predictions about what a bust Taylor Hall and RNH would be, or how Yak City is terrible because he’ll finish the season at -40.

    And then just for shits and giggles, ask him to repost his careful explanation from just a few short months ago of how Horcoff’s contract was untradeable, but how Luongo’s really was not that bad and Gillis would be able to find *plenty* of trading partners for him.

    Yes, his hockey acumen is unparalleled!

  157. stevezie says:

    If Julien thinks Ference is a top 4 defenceman, then I think he can play here. The term is too much, but it’s not my money. We are a better team.

  158. Young Oil says:

    Captain Happy:
    Dubinsky > Gagner

    Nikitin > Schultz

    1st round pick next year…dubious.

    Columbus has no motivation to do this.

    Since it’s an Oilers first round pick, based on history it might not be so dubious :D

  159. Captain Happy says:

    Young Oil: Since it’s an Oilers first round pick, based on history it might not be so dubious

    Well, that’s true.

    But I doubt the Jackets give up their best centre and one of their best defensemen for a bit of offense and a lot more GA.

  160. Woodguy says:

    Captain Happy: The next Patrice Bergeron.

    You’re precious.

  161. Young Oil says:

    Captain Happy,

    I agree, it’s extremely unlikely, but Kekalainen made it clear that he really likes smaller players with lots of heart, and it’s hard to deny that his words describe Gagner quite well (unless “lots of heart” means consistent!).

    All I was saying is if Columbus has even the slightest interest in Gagner, I would be willing to package him with almost anything if it resulted in Dubinski, because it would be a major upgrade in the #2C position (or LW, but I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Dubinski in the middle of the ice more.) Unlikely? Most definitely. Impossible? Maybe. But worth a try? Definitely.

  162. striatic says:

    Oilers did not get nearly enough in the way of assets today to make anything more than marginal improvement this year.

    trades will only generate marginal value, if the team is lucky.

    i’m willing to go so far as saying this coming season will be a wash. no playoffs.

    Gordon is a very solid add, and Ference should turn out better than Whitney, but it’ll take buying up another clump of quality UFAs in order to move the team forward substantially. that’ll have to wait for next year.

  163. uni says:

    Captain Happy,

    I’d say Anisimov is fast approaching that title if he’s not already usurping it.

    I don’t get what Minnie is doing though, signing Cooke and salary dumping Setoguchi, would have thought you could pry more than a 2nd out of some GM for him.

    It’s very disappointing about the Wild since they have such promising young players, that those massive 7.5 million for 13 year contracts to Suter and Parise have placed such a handicap on them. Suter I can partway see since he’s proven he’s a workhorse 1st pairing defenseman, but even that he’s overpaid by at least 1.5 million per. For all the analysis Parise claimed went into his decision to sign with the Wild, I wonder if he realized or just didn’t care that his salary would be a millstone.

  164. G Money says:

    Young Oil: All I was saying is if Columbus has even the slightest interest in Gagner, I would be willing to package him with almost anything if it resulted in Dubinski, because it would be a major upgrade in the #2C position (or LW, but I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Dubinski in the middle of the ice more.) Unlikely? Most definitely. Impossible? Maybe. But worth a try? Definitely.

    That is a terrible trade.

    I’ll accept that Dubinsky is a better two-way player than Gagner – but Gagner’s ceiling as a scorer is way higher. You could *argue* that Dubinsky is better, but there’s a tradeoff to be made. You might win in the short term but probably lose in the long term.

    Nikitin is big, young, relatively unproven, and would be a substantial downgrade on Schultz Sr. The trade might be a winner in the long-term because of Nikitin’s age, but it is a loser in the short-term.

    Throw a first round pick in there and it is a MASSIVE overpay.

  165. Captain Happy says:

    uni:
    Captain Happy,

    I’d say Anisimov is fast approaching that title if he’s not already usurping it.

    I don’t get what Minnie is doing though, signing Cooke and salary dumping Setoguchi, would have thought you could pry more than a 2nd out of some GM for him.

    It’s very disappointing about the Wild since they have such promising young players, that those massive 7.5 million for 13 year contracts to Suter and Parise have placed such a handicap on them.Suter I can partway see since he’s proven he’s a workhorse 1st pairing defenseman, but even that he’s overpaid by at least 1.5 million per.For all the analysis Parise claimed went into his decision to sign with the Wild, I wonder if he realized or just didn’t care that his salary would be a millstone.

    Yeah, I’m baffled by the moves Minny has made.

    They basically traded Clutterbuck for Matt Cooke,

    They buy out Gilbert for cap space.

    Setoguchi for a 2nd is a head scratcher.

    So, maybe they have have another move coming but none of this makes much sense.

  166. Captain Happy says:

    G Money: That is a terrible trade.

    I’ll accept that Dubinsky is a better two-way player than Gagner – but Gagner’s ceiling as a scorer is way higher.You could *argue* that Dubinsky is better, but there’s a tradeoff to be made.You might win in the short term but probably lose in the long term.

    Nikitin is big, young, relatively unproven, and would be a substantial downgrade on Schultz Sr.The trade might be a winner in the long-term because of Nikitin’s age, but it is a loser in the short-term.

    Throw a first round pick in there and it is a MASSIVE overpay.

    Nikitin is a better defenseman than Schultz all day long.

  167. admiralmark says:

    G Money: Didn’t you know?It’s because Pajaarvi is an Oiler and Horvat is a Canuck.Any prospect not drafted by the Oilers will always live up to the most positive scouting report, while any Oiler prospect will always live down to the worst scouting report.

    For example, did you know that Lindholm will be better than Gagner next year, Nichushkin will be a first line winger, and Horvat … well, you already know he’s the next Patrice Bergeron!

    Of course, if the Oilers had drafted Horvat and the Canucks drafted Nurse, you can bet that Captain’s predictions would have Horvat as the next Ryan O’Marra and Nurse as the next Pronger.

    Have the Captain tell you about his predictions about what a bust Taylor Hall and RNH would be, or how Yak City is terrible because he’ll finish the season at -40.

    And then just for shits and giggles, ask him to repost his careful explanation from just a few short months ago of how Horcoff’s contract was untradeable, but how Luongo’s really was not that bad and Gillis would be able to find *plenty* of trading partners for him.

    Yes, his hockey acumen is unparalleled!

    Zzzzzzzing!

  168. G Money says:

    Captain Happy: Yeah, I’m baffled by the moves Minny has made.

    Perhaps the desperate thrashings of a team that has >50% of its cap tied up in 5 players, all with NMC contracts.

  169. Lowetide says:

    Captain Happy: Nikitin is a better defenseman than Schultz all day long.

    Where DID Jeff Schultz sign, I missed it.

  170. G Money says:

    Captain Happy: Nikitin is a better defenseman than Schultz all day long.

    Yeah yeah, we know – never mind the stats, performance, experience or actual results – it must be true because Schultz is an Oiler and Nikitin is not.

    I’m reminded of how the Oilers could never be a good with Horcoff as a centre, but now that he’s in Dallas – suddenly they have quality depth at C.

    Impeccable Captain Happy Logic. QED.

  171. cabbiesmacker says:

    Lowetide:
    Jesse Spector has the Oilers, Sens and Islanders as the winners on the day

    LT? Even yourself, being as staunch an Oiler supporter as you are, had to have been chuckling reading Spector’s article. How much did it cost Lowe and company I wonder?

    I thought MacTavish showed to be exactly what he is. Raw, with a helluva long ways to go to be considered a solid GM, and for the past week he’s been schooled by roughly 24 other GM’s.

    Outside of the kids doing the natural maturation thing the Oilers are no better now than they were at the end of the season. No chance in hell.

    Not one of the top priorities has been dealt with. No top 2 C. No 2LW. No top2 D. He juggled some cap space. Big whup.

    The BS about him having his nose in every deal for every player that got moved today is laughable. The old “We tried hard to move up and get blah blah blah but….”

    MacT’s been shitting the bed since he very openly and incredibly stupidly declared Hemsky and Horcoff wouldn’t be back. WTF? Play poker much dude?

    Maybe the guy pulls a rabbit out of his ass before next fall but it’s going to take some actual foresight and “boldness” to make it happen. I don’t see the guy having much of either.

  172. Lois Lowe says:

    Lowetide: Where DID Jeff Schultz sign, I missed it.

    Snicker.

  173. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Looking into our blue sky future… I want to know what a 37 and 38 year old Ference is going to bring our apparently contending team?

    You sign that deal when he’s between 28 and 30, not at 34. Not for that type of player. They wear down fast. We’re seeing N. Schultz start to slip away. Ference has even more miles on him.

    If this means we’ve swapped depth D and Smid is gone I’ll freak out. If N. Schultz goes and another piece comes in, I’ll calm down, but still be confused and unhappy.

    still. he’s an Oiler now. I’ll be rooting for him.

    Gordon is a great pick up. I’d prefer to see him at 4th line $$ and position though and have a scoring 3rd line. I hate the idea of “checking line” for the 3rd line. hate it. Still. great player. A bit rich on dollars, but great pick up.

    Sorry we didn’t nab one of the other Cs… Weiss, Filppula, Laperierre, Grabo… we could have used any of these guys. Hopefully Grabo comes. the Filppula deal looks great. less than I expected.

    Labarbera. Great pick up. Would have preferred Khodobin (and he went cheaper), but so it goes. I’m pretty happy with this.

    Can’t believe Khabby got a contract. crazy… ST you are an idiot for not getting picks out of our dead weight.

    Still waiting to see who Whitney can get a deal from.

    MacT’s press conference today was less than inspiring. My hope is that one year from now, he sees the disaster of those deals he chased and acts more prudently.

  174. Young Oil says:

    G Money,

    You’re not exactly proving your statements as well.

    Nikitin’s PPG is 0.357 compared to Schultz’ 0.174, when both are considered fairly defensive Dmen. Both have a career +/- of -7, when Schultz has spent most of his career in a place that has put defence first. That’s just scratching the surface, haven’t gotten into advanced stats.

    Nikitin in my opinion is a superior defenceman, unless you can back up your claims with some facts they seem pretty hollow.

  175. uni says:

    G Money,

    DSF just likes riling folks up. Some people just enjoy doing that. He’s actually got a pretty fair amount of intelligence and it shows in the way he can get under the skin so easily of so many posters. Pretty basic formula of lauding other teams/players, panning everything to the with the Oilers, cherry picking stats without context, and generally making wild claims. After that it’s a simple process of never admitting to previous statements proven wrong and convenient revisionism. Only he does it par excellence.

    If you ever just stop trying to hammer away at him, because face it that’s never going to get you anywhere and would merely amuse him, and try to instead engage in actual hockey talk he’ll say thoughtful things and offer some good opinions. Personally I don’t mind him, he’s an interesting character.

  176. FastOil says:

    Players trade more easily for different positions. Idea being filling holes. Eberle for top C, Gagner for 1 LD.

    Anybody notice you can’t bottom feed the talent and find much? Want Bobby Ryan? Give up a good young player and a first +.

    The Oilers really need a 1 LD at least until somebody develops. IMO a better Corsi version of Ference would have been enough but MacT Tambellini’d him.

    We’ll see if MacT has the vision on talent and the stones to make his team better. I hope he has learned UFA won’t be enough because of the frenzy and cap.

    Next year’s first has to be in play because the team has to be better. It should be assumed to be a later 1st rounder. Assemble a list of the 10 best 25 or under LD and make a deal. When Nurse is ready trade that blue chip. Move one or both of the weakest Gunz (Eberle/Gagner) for what the team needs.

    Why? Because the Oilers lose as it stands. Changing little will change little.

  177. Lowetide says:

    Uni: Agreed. DSF can bring some things, but his true love is to derail. Keep him on task and honestly he’s a smart cookie who can move the conversation forward.

    I’m pleased with the day. Certainly there’s more to do, but hell boys we aren’t sure it can be done in a SUMMER let alone a day.

    Ference is a top 4 NHL defender, Gordon is a solid checking center and LaBarbera is an established NHL backup.

    Actual NHL players! More, please.

  178. G Money says:

    uni:
    G Money,

    DSF just likes riling folks up.Some people just enjoy doing that.He’s actually got a pretty fair amount of intelligence and it shows in the way he can get under the skin so easily of so many posters.Pretty basic formula of lauding other teams/players, panning everything to the with the Oilers, cherry picking stats without context, and generally making wild claims.After that it’s a simple process of never admitting to previous statements proven wrong and convenient revisionism.Only he does it par excellence.

    If you ever just stop trying to hammer away at him, because face it that’s never going to get you anywhere and would marely amuse him, and try to instead engage in actual hockey talk he’ll say thoughtful things and offer some good opinions.Personally I don’t mind him, he’s an interesting character.

    Heh heh, I’m pretty familiar with Captain DSF. He doesn’t rile me up with *what* he posts, but *because* he posts. As soon as he posts his usually meaningless drivel, it tends to hijack the direction and value of the thread. The quality and level of discourse plummets. So once in a while I can’t resist, and I will post something simply for the exercise of poking holes in his mindless illogic.

    He may or may not be “intelligent” or have any valid thoughts on hockey – I have seen little to support that, though he does have some idiot savant-like talent at cherry-picking stats.

    What irritates me about him is actually that he’s a most bizarre and unusual form of troll. He’s a Calgary-born BC-living (or so I have gleaned from his many many posts) Canucks fan – who insists on repeatedly hijacking threads with usually meaningless drivel about other teams – on an Oiler site. Most such trolls lose interest after a few minutes, he seems to be able to stick around for years, with the claim being that he “used to be” an Oiler fan. It makes no sense. In all honesty, I do wonder at times about his mental health.

    I actually joined this site initially as a ‘refuge’ from ON – not only because the average level of hockey discourse is vastly superior, but because LT has historically kept Captain’s thread-hijacking under control. That seems to be fading lately though, and it is concerning.

  179. FastOil says:

    Lowetide:

    Ference is a top 4 NHL defender

    Debatable. But your point about fixing all right now is well taken.

  180. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide,

    And they got a Great Big Finn!!

    Needed a Finn with Harski and #IsMental gone.

  181. G Money says:

    Lowetide: Actual NHL players! More, please.

    Heh heh, yes! And I promise it is the last troll baiting that I will do this week.

  182. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy: You’re precious.

    slow clap

  183. G Money says:

    FastOil: Debatable. But your point about fixing all right now is well taken.

    I remain baffled by the “Andrew Ference is not a Top 4 defender” narrative.

    He was a clear fourth in TOI for Boston, almost 19 minutes a night (comparable to Boychuk, well behind Chara and Seidenberg at 23+, but well ahead of Krug at 15). That TOI was even moreso Top 4 in the playoffs, where Chara averaged about 26 mins and Ference, Boychuk, and Seidenberg averaged around 23 mins each. In other words, Ference was relied on even more in the playoffs.

    That makes him a Top 4 defender on a team much much better defensively than the Oilers.

    I buy that he is at an age where he might fade quickly. Yeah, the contract is too long – part of the inevitable UFA overpay and Oiler penalty. But as recently as two weeks ago, Ference was a CLEAR number 4D on a Stanley Cup finalist, arguably even a 2D or a 3D.

    If he’s good enough to be a clear top 4 on a SC finalist, exactly *how* is he not a top 4 defender on the Oilers?

  184. cabbiesmacker says:

    Woodguy:
    Lowetide,

    And they got a Great Big Finn!!

    Needed a Finn with Harski and #IsMental gone.

    One of the better moves MacT made to today I honestly believe. Gordon’s nice but really just a cheaper Horcoff, and LaBarbera fills a need which although required, wasn’t a difficult hole to plug.

    Still relying too much on the kids and upside and very, very little boldness.

  185. Pablo Aimar says:

    Best option at this point would be to sign Grabovski for the 2nd line and then trade Gagner++ for defense or a big top 6 winger.

  186. Woodguy says:

    cabbiesmacker: One of the better moves MacT made to today I honestly believe. Gordon’s nice but really just a cheaper Horcoff, and LaBarbera fills a need which although required, wasn’t a difficult hole to plug.

    Still relying too much on the kids and upside and very, very little boldness.

    Boldness is coming in trade.

    Book it!

  187. Woodguy says:

    Pablo Aimar:
    Best option at this point would be to sign Grabovski for the 2nd line and then trade Gagner++ for defense or a big top 6 winger.

    I agree with that.

  188. PunjabiOil says:

    In effect, the Oilers traded Horcoff’s $5.5M cap hit for Boyd Gordon ($3M cap hit) and Phillip Larsen $1.1M cap hit).

    So, they’ve saved $1.4M in cap hit for little gain.

    Larsen takes up a roster spot (likely Potter’s). Unless Potter was playing for free, the actual cap savings for the Horcoff/Gordon swap are ~$2.5M.

  189. stevezie says:

    Woodguy: I agree with that.

    I could buy that. I would also be fine with keeping Gagner and signing Grabo. There is no sin in three scoring lines.

    That said, for the first time in recent memory “character concerns” doesn’t sound like complete nonsense. I’m not writing Grabbo off, but it’s not a great sign that his last two teams were both thrilled to see him go. The parting with the Habs was even more acrimonious than what happened between him and Toronto.

  190. dangilitis says:

    Woodguy,

    I agree, they are VERY shallow in RW and Hemsky at 3.4 million (eat 1.6) is like earning a RW to play with Malkin on line 2 without overpaying on the free agent market.

    But i don’t think they give up Neal as that creates a hole. I would aim for Jokinen and Niskanen as a return, which saves the Pens 1 million and allows Bennett to move into 3rd line role while Depres takes Niskanen’s spot.

    May sound crazy to Pens at first but helps address both teams’ needs.

    Then you flip Niskanen + N Schultz for Yandle
    (or N Schultz + pick + prospect for McDonagh)

    Yandle Petry
    Smid J Schultz
    Ference Potter
    (Belov Larssen)

    Hall RNH Eberle
    Jokinen Gagner Yakupov (easier mins)
    MPS Gordon/Grabo? Brunner/Boyes? (tough mins)
    Smyth Lander/Gordon Rajala

  191. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I just realized… what the hell with Raanta?

    How did CHI win this guy?

    “Sign with us, you’ll have a really good shot of playing behind Crawford. We intend to get a geriatric back up who you’ll need to fill in for.”

  192. Maverick says:

    Bruce McCurdy has a nice article up at COH that breaks down Friday’s signings in a visual manner.

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/07/05/revisiting-the-edmonton-oilers-depth-chart-after-a-frenzied-friday/

    I’m heading out for the day and I hope when I get home this evening, I’m reading a posting “Oilers sign Gagner for reasonable dollars” and “Here comes the Russians” as the Oilers sign Grabovski.

    A man can dream can’t he?

  193. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Maverick: “Here comes the Russians” as the Oilers sign Grabovski.

    Isn’t he belarusian?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Grabovski

    wow… turns out he was born in East Germany. “The Lives of Others” anyone? Maybe that explains his irritable nature.

  194. uni says:

    Grabovski is indeed Belarussian and for the most part grew up there. He also recently has been the captain of their international team at the WC in 2012.

  195. Ca$h-Money! says:

    dangilitis,

    Lot’s of people propose trading for Yandle. I understand that. Unfortunately most people, as you’ve done here, pencil him in as a first line dman. I don’t understand that.

    Trade for Yandle, I guess, fine. But understand that he plays 3rd pairing minutes with 1st unit PP time. He’s not very good at playing Defence. To me if we take Yandle we probably need to trade Schultz the younger.

    I’d rather have Schultz the younger.

  196. hags9k says:

    A lot of people seem frustrated that we didn’t do enough yesterday so I just want to do some cheerleading for a minute…

    The only thing this team really needs isn’t on any of the summer lists. It’s just time.

    Gagner who everybody and their dog wants traded is 23. He can and will round out his game, get better defensively and on the draws.

    Our All-Star LW and Captain is 21. HE will become the dominant power forward we are looking all over hell for.

    Our other TWO #1 overalls and arguably our best defenseman (19, 20, and 23) are for all intents and purposes, entering their SOPHOMORE seasons. The effect the 3 of these guys will have once they “arrive” cannot be overstated.

    So while we are all hot and bothered with the annual free agency let down, let’s remember that when we talk about really moving the dial forward on this team, we are talking about the development and maturity of some dynamite players already here. This team is going to be incredible. Patience has run out in Oil country some time ago but that’s really all we need. Not a Mikhael Grabunsky.

  197. dangilitis says:

    Ca$h-Money!,

    I don’t know how you arrived at that conclusion,

    He led the team last year in 5 vs 5 TOI/60, although top 4 were pretty even in phoenix (something I could see happening amongst him, Petry, Smid and J Schultz in Edmonton).

    If Phoenix covets him that highly you don’t make the trade. If you trade Niskanen and Nick Schultz for Yandle, for an economic-minded Coyotes team you get 2 players for the price of 1 to increase their depth, and one can play the toughs while 1 can play more of a Yandle role against weaker competition. Maybe add a 2nd rounder. I don’t think its crazy and if Phoenix asks for the sky and the moon you say no thanks

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