SUMMER TOP 30

The Edmonton Oilers drafted 10 more players this weekend and they have a major impact on the new summer top 30. This list is now dominated by blueliners, and I’d suggest that the club is extremely likely to offload one or more in the next 12 months.

  1. (NR) D Darnell Nurse: Pronman: He is a gifted physical player who has all the natural tools a scout could want from a defenseman. He has slowly begun to emerge as a two-way player, but his value comes from his high-end work in his own end. Nurse is a tall defender with an aggressive edge and the strength to consistently push his checks off pucks. He has above-average mobility, especially considering his larger size. With his wingspan, he is able to make a multitude of plays in the defensive end. I have heard previous concerns from scouts about his offensive upside, but he took a step forward in that element this season. He will not be a dynamic offensive threat, but he can move the puck at an above-average level, and join the rush on occasion. He projects as a point man on a second power play unit, while logging the tough defensive minutes. This is a quality 2-way defense prospect. Woodlief: is the most naturally physical defender (in the draft). He made good strides in his offensive game and has a heavy shot that is an asset on the power play. He likes to dish out punishment along the walls and easily separates his check from the puck. Nurse also scores off the charts in both his character and intelligence levels, and at a gangly 6-5, already has the footwork of a much smaller man. Finally, we have anecdotal evidence that he was playing  some tough opposition.
  2. (3) D Oscar Klefbom: Impressive 2-way defender who fits the modern game. Good skater, physical and willing to jump into the play. Decision making has improved since draft day, injuries are a concern. Klefbom’s SEL totals (67, 3-4-7) give us an NHLE (82, 3-4-7) that suggests stay-at-home type. However, Euro leagues throw around second assists as often as I buy lunch, so that’s perhaps an unfair projection. Safe to say we should not expect a 20-point rookie season in the NHL. Based on MacT’s quotes after taking over the big job we should expect him to make a push for the big league roster this fall and he could graduate this list by next summer.  Corey Pronman: ”NHL GM on newly signed Oscar Klefbom. “Physically mature, great skater. Projects to play against best players and some offense.”
  3. (4) D Martin Marincin: It’s been awhile since the Oilers had a defender play this well in the AHL debut. Marincin’s arrows are strong now–he’s healthy, has started to add weight for the pro game (AHL has him 6.05 196) and his boxcars (69, 7-23-30) and NHLE (82, 4-12-16) suggest he’ll bring some offense to the show–although playing with Justin Schultz padded his numbers. However, his point total in the playoffs was on par with regular season point-per-game. Should be the second member of the maligned 2010 draft to make the NHL. Todd Nelson: “His body has to mature (187 at the time). As long as his body keeps maturing, he’ll be able to sustain the game at the NHL level. He’s rangy and green still, but there’s tremendous upside. Everybody is looking for 6-foot-5 defencemen with offensive ability. I think he has great opportunity to see games in the NHL.”
  4. (NR) C Marc Olivier Roy: This is an outstanding pick. Redline: While thought of as a grinder who brings passion and intensity to each shift (which is accurate), that is short-changing his skill level. Good skater with speed and balance, and accelerates well. Wins a lot of races for loose pucks and is always 1st into corners. Works his bag off every shift and comes back hard on the backcheck. He’s an absolute buzzsaw with a motor that never quits. Two great playoffs in a row and he has a wide range of skills. (Blainville-Boisbriand, QMJHL) 65, 29-38-67. NHLE 10-15-25. I give him a very slight edge over Slepyshev based on range of skills.
  5. (6) D Martin Gernat: Overcame injury to have a nice season (WHL reg/playoffs combined: 45, 9-21-30, NHLE 82, 5-11-16) and is probably the most talented offensively of the ‘big three’ defenders who sit atop the prospect tree for the Oilers currently. Gernat has been a pleasure to watch as an Oil King, adding parts of his game as he matured. Fans in OKC will see a ‘riverboat gambler’ similar to Marincin (and with a similar mean streak that appears from time to time) and a player who will play in the NHL (should he make it) as a mobile 2-way defender. I spoke to an NHL scout about him (an eastern conference team) and he told me Gernat’s game has developed well defensively, his footspeed and size will be his pro calling cards and we should not expect a lot his offense to come with him to pro hockey. Remains a possible late round gem.
  6. (7) C Jujhar Khaira: An ‘ultimate sleeper’ pick by Redline before the draft, Khaira (according to Redline) “does the dirty work in the corners, bangs bodies and wins battles, and loves to initiate heavy contact. Powerful stride with great balance and gets leverage on his hits. Has surprisingly soft hands and puck skills with playmaking ability.” His boxcars (37, 6-19-25) and NHLE (82, 5-18-23) show nice improvement year over year and his range of skills makes him the #2 forward  in the system. Khaira has gotten bigger (now listed at 6.03, 198–he was 182 at the combine) and his arrows are heading in a very good direction.
  7. (NR) L Anton Slepyshev (UFA, KHL) 11, 4-2-6. NHLE 18-6-24. A very talented winger who appears to have enough skill to run with the really good players. Pronman: He is an above-average skater, with agility and free movement, as his shiftiness makes him hard to check. He has a plus shot and he knows it, as his mentality is often shoot-first, even from distance. He can still make plays, and he does not have tunnel vision, but his playmaking skills are not his best element. His physical game has progressed, and he has added strength since last season. He can protect pucks moderately well. He will display physical effort, although it could be better at times. He also needs to work on his defensive game. I’m not sure what the ‘next step’ is for him, would love to see him come over and play in the AHL next season. I may have him too high–we’ll see–but there’s not much doubt this guy can play. I wonder what he’d do on Yak’s line during pre-season?
  8. (NR) C Bogdan Yakimov: We’re going to love this guy. (Nizhnekamsk Russian Jr). 11, 6-7-13. Pronman: He is a big center, measuring in at about 6’5″. He may not have the top-end tools of a typical top Russian prospect, but he is talented and he plays a good power game. His hands are above average, and while he can certainly make some moves and carry the puck into the opposing zone, he is not an overly creative forward. I love the line from Mckeen’s about “a thickly constructed speicmen” and this guy is going to be unique. A player who will take some time to get there.
  9. (26) L Toni Rajala: I don’t recall moving a prospect up by 21 spots before, but then again Rajala’s had a tremendous season. He’s listed at 5.10, 163 which probably means he’s 5.07, 150. His OKC boxcars (46, 17-28-45) and NHLE (82, 13-22-35) are so impressive (and his playoff was too, as we discussed yesterday) I just can’t find a way to keep him outside the top 5. I have him behind Khaira because his road to the NHL is blocked and he is not guaranteed a second chance with another NHL organization (no draft pedigree). Cheering like hell for him, though.
  10. (10) D Dillon Simpson: This is such a nice player. Now 6.02, 200 and is playing a feature role on a strong NCAA club at age 20. He has one more year with UND and then will turn pro, and I’m having a hard time keeping him out of the conversation with the top 3 D in the system (above). The skating issues are no longer mentioned, his size is certainly not going to be a problem and his offense (boxcars: 42, 5-19-24; NHLE: 82, 4-15-19) have him near the top of the Oilers D prospect table offensively. I’m going to go ahead and suggest that Simpson hurt his draft number in 2010-11 by playing in the NCAA. The skating issue looked more pronounced against older players and he didn’t get the PP push he’d enjoyed in Spruce Grove. The Oilers got him in the 4th round in 2011, he’s a much better prospect now.
  11. (NR) D Anton Belov. Russian defender who can skate and move the puck. There are questions about his defensive ability so this ranking is a guess, but his KHL numbers (46, 9-17-26) and his NHLE (82, 13-25-38) suggest he could have a major impact on the offense this season. 26 years old and 6.04, 216.
  12. (18) D Taylor Fedun: He played a feature role with the Barons this year and has been top 4D all down the line. I don’t know where he fits long term, but he is certainly in the mix for immediate NHL employment (depending on how active the club is going to be this summer). He plays in all situations, has improved his footspeed from the fall and his boxcars (70, 8-19-27) and NHLE (82, 4-10-14) suggests he’ll be able to contribute should he get an NHL job.
  13. (NR) R Jackson Houck (Vancouver, WHL). 69, 23-34-57. NHLE 8-12-20. Interesting range of skills and as I read more about him last night I can see the appeal. Houck is physical and skilled, a nice combination, and he led his team in scoring so it isn’t like the stats were being zoomed by a better player as we see every year at the NHL draft. A tough player to slot, his NHLE is encouraging (the NHLE’s are much better this season) and there may be a player here. Cody Nickolet: an energy forward for the Giants.  He’s quick, plays aggressively all over the ice and has a good shot.  His best asset is that he never takes a shift off, knows his role and fills it to a tee.  Put up a good year offensively, but he will need to continue to work hard on that part of his game if he wants to carve out a top 6 pro career.  Has some value towards the back half of the middle of the 2013 draft.
  14. (12) L Mitchell Moroz: Big, tough winger who played on the shutdown line for the Oil Kings this past season with Travis Ewanyk (and Klarc Wilson, later Edgars Kulda). Moroz had few opportunities to move up the depth chart and play with skill, but showed well in those moments and I think we’ll see his offensive production increase with so many Oil Kings heading out of town beginning this fall. His boxcars (69, 13-21-34) and his NHLE (82, 5-7-12) improved slightly but he’s still tracking with Zack Stortini as an offensive player. At this point, he projects as a fast 4th liner with legit fighting ability and size (6.02, 208). A player to watch this fall, as of now he’s in the ‘enforcer’ family of player types.
  15. (8) D David Musil: It’s all down to skating now. He provides reliable defense featuring an uncanny ability to defuse oncoming sorties, win battles along the wall and in front of the net, to calm the waters–and he delivers it consistently and effectively. However, when David Musil is tired or is matched up against a fleet winger, chaos often ensues.  The same scout who told me about Gernat feels it’ll be an extreme test for Musil beginning this fall and he wondered if Musil would be an every game option. Interesting.
  16. (21) D Brandon Davidson: One of the major surprises this season, has overcome everything in life so I can’t imagine much on the ice will overwhelm him. Took a giant leap later in the season, ending the year on the top pairing for OKC in their playoff run. His boxcars (26, 2-3-5) and NHLE (82, 3-4-7) suggest pure stay at home, but Davidson had more offense in junior, and had a better run in the post-season so there could be more there as we move along. In a season of devastating prospect news on and off the ice, his story is a rainbow.
  17. (25) C Mark Arcobello: Enjoyed an exceptional season, moved past several players and found himself playing with the NHL guys during the lockout. Even more impressive, he maintained the offense when they left, finishing in the top 3 in both regular season and playoff scoring in the entire AHL. Arcobello’s signing a 2-way contract with the Oilers tells us he’s arrived and is a part of the future in OKC, and maybe in Edmonton too. Impressive career progression. Boxcars are incredible (74, 22-46-68) and his NHLE (82, 10-23-33) tells us he’s got enough of a bat to play in the NHL as a replacement level skill player. Best Yale prospect in the system, which didn’t mean a thing until recently.
  18. (NR) C Andrew Miller: Yale C signed as a college free agent this spring, 5.10, 180 and 24 years old, there is a player here. Corey Pronman: center is a classic small, skilled college player. Miller displays above-average qualities in terms of his speed, puck skills and overall offensive instincts. In his Senior season especially he showed the ability to consistently create scoring chances and keep the play flowing in the right direction.” Boxcars at Yale (37, 18-23-41) and NHLE (82, 16-21-37) suggest he has enough offensively to play in the NHL. Interesting prospect.
  19. (NR) C Greg Chase (Calgary, WHL). 69, 17-32-49. NHLE 6-11-17. I liked him before the draft, having seen him play well in the post-season against the Oil Kings. Pronman liked him (99) saying scouts praise his offensive mind and vision. He can slow the game down when he has the puck, hit targets through small lanes, and move the puck quickly when need be. He also has good hands, and when he is on, his offensive upside is apparent.
  20. (NR) R Kyle Platzer (London, OHL). (London, OHL) 65, 5-17-22. NHLE 2-6-8. I had a hard time figuring this player out early on, his numbers are nothing much and he’s no Coke machine. Some digging led me to this from OHL Prospects: did absolutely everything London’s coaching staff asked him to do this year, including seeing some time on the blueline to cover for injuries. His numbers don’t jump out at you, and they won’t with the barely 10 minutes of ice time he saw a game. But you have to assess him based on what he was able to do with that ice time (similar to Remi Elie who’s rated higher). Platzer may not be huge (pushing 5’11), but he’s a skilled player who also can provide energy and persistence away from the puck. You might notice Platzer outworking opposing defenses along the boards, or beating them to loose pucks, but he’s also clearly a very intelligent offensive player who is capable of putting up higher point totals. He did lead his Waterloo GOJHL team in scoring as a 16 year old in 2012. The one thing I admire about London is their ability to make younger players work hard to stay in the line-up. Ice time is earned, not given. And Platzer earned every second of time he received this year.
  21. (20) L Daniil Zharkov: One of the more promising offensive players from last season’s draft ran in place in the same league he’d played in at 17. It isn’t catastrophic, but it isn’t a great sign either. Off to Russia, who knows if we’ll see him again. His boxcars from the OHL (59, 25-18-43) and his NHLE (82, 10-8-18) should have been better based on age and experience.
  22. (30) D Erik Gustafsson: 49, 7-16-23 +12 in the Allsvenskan (league below SEL). Swedish puck mover had a terrific start and then fell off offensively. Then he caught fire again and went 22, 4-11-15 to end the year–Corey Pronman was impressed with him, saying “has a fair amount of skill and mobility. Several times he showed the ability to be an effective puck carrier who can make impressive plays and be a starting point for offense. He’s a little undersized which won’t help him, but considering that I thought he defended at an ok level as his reads were fine.” Oilers haven’t talked about him, so we have no idea how they feel about him, and considering the sheer number of blue ahead of him on this list we may never see Gustafsson.
  23. (15) D Joey Laleggia: Undersized skill D who plays for U. Denver, Laleggia’s numbers were off this past season but there’s little doubt he’s an exceptional offensive weapon on the PP. The big question for Laleggia will be how well he can play defense (he’s 5.09, 180) and he’s in the ‘longshot’ area of the top 20 because of it. However, his boxcars (39, 11-18-29) and NHLE (82, 9-16-25) are the strongest offensive numbers among defenders in the system. If he can figure out how to survive in the NHL defensively, Laleggia could be a gift to big league powerplays.
  24. (9) R Tyler Pitlick: It was a strange season. Here’s what it looked like at OKC TC: Coach Todd Nelson, pre-seasonHe has to play in a top-six role, that’s where we have him slotted. He might play in a line with Josh Green. We’re just kind of looking at things. Tyler Pitlick, we feel that he’s a top-six guy and he’s going to get an opportunity to prove that and play in that role.” Pitlick did nothing with the opportunity and then suffered an injury that cost him much of the season. He does some things that make him unique–bigger body, aggressive, works hard in the corners and he has a very good shot. However, his boxcars (combined reg/playoffs 60, 5-11-16) and NHLE (82, 3-7-10) are miles from normal. This coming season is going to be a major opportunity, I don’t think he gets another contract without showing some offense.
  25. (16) G Olivier Roy: Built on a strong ECHL season in 11-12 with some nice work in the AHL behind Yann Danis, but eventually was sent back to Stockton because of struggles there. Roy found his groove and enjoyed an outstanding season and playoffs. A .902SP in the AHL isn’t going to get the job done, but Roy has earned a season in OKC to showcase his skills.
  26. (NR) R John McCarron: NCAA power winger (6.02, 225) hasn’t found his offensive game but plays a physical style and should adjust well to the pro game. Oilers have two more years (he was a sophomore at Cornell this winter) to make a decision on him. 33, 7-12-19 at Cornell, that’s NHLE 82, 7-12-19 too.
  27. (23) G Frans Tuohimaa: The tall, lean Finnish goalie (6.02, 180) went 13, 2.29 .912 in the SM-Liiga this year and was exceptional in a brief period in the playoffs (2, 0.77 .960). Tuohimaa’s signing by the organization is obviously a clear indication they hold him in some esteem. I am uncertain about the plan for the coming year–will he come to North America?–but he does seem to have a promising future.
  28. (29) L Phil Cornet: Won a skill line job in OKC after the lockout and played well again in that role. His boxcars (46, 15-18-33) and NHLE (82, 12-14-26) suggest he is a ‘tweener’ offensive winger and not likely to make the NHL grade. Certainly has enough skill to hook on with another AHL team and could get a callup or two along the way, but we have seen him for three seasons now and have a good idea about him.
  29. (28) C Ryan Martindale: Part of the 2010 draft, Martindale is still looking for regular work as a pro. Battled injury but also lost playing time this year due to period of ineffective play. His boxcars (41, 6-8-14) and NHLE (82, 5-7-12) aren’t close to good enough and despite size (6.03, 207) no one ever talks about his physical play.
  30. (NR) L Kale Kessy: Big forward with toughness and an ability to agitate/fight. Oilers got him this spring in a deal for Tobias Rieder. Kirk Luedeke had a nice profile of Kessy in his draft year, including a quote from a scout that went like this: “this is a kid who’s legitimately tough. Last year, he’d blast people and then turn around, looking for someone to take him on. And, he fought some guys older than him and more than held his own. He can go.” Kessy is 6.03, 202 and his boxcars (60, 21-22-43) and NHLE (82, 9-9-18) tell us we should expect a 4line pugilist in OKC next year. If he does have more offense as the playoffs implied (15, 11-3-14) he may take Moroz’ slot as the top ranked enforcer in the system.

NEEDS REVIEW

  • Center: The current NHL depth chart has youngsters RNH, Gagner (rfa) and Lander, but that’s not exactly the 1984 Oilers up the middle. The top C’s on this list entering yesterday’s draft were Khaira, Arcobello, Andrew Miller and Martindale, with only Khaira in the top 10. Oilers spent several picks on the position yesterday, with Roy being the centerpiece along with the project Yakimov and the gritty Chase. I’m absolutely certain they would have loved Monahan, and suspect they argued over Horvat (it was too early to take him) but the position is stronger today. The best of these prospects (Roy, Khaira, Yakimov) are years away.
  • Goalie: Oilers have no goaltenders with NHL calibre resumes and they did not add any yesterday. Fucale almost fell to them and would have represented nice value where he would have been taken. I would guess we’ll see a trade sometime this summer for a goalie prospect, otherwise it’ll be a priority at next year’s draft.
  • Left Wing:  I’m strong on Slepyshev, that was a brilliant pick. The other two LW’s (Muir and Campbell) are draft and follows, we won’t really know much for a couple of years–they’re the new Kellen Jones. Top options now are Slepyshev, Rajala (#9) and Moroz (#14). The organization has devoted two very high selections (Hall, Paajarvi) on the position in recent years, and I think Slepyshev has an excellent chance to join the party.
  • Right Wing: Took only one pure RW in the draft (Houck) but that’s kind of misleading because some of these guys at C and L can play R. Starboard is not well represented on this list, but with Eberle and Yakupov already at the NHL level it’s unlikely to be a priority.
  • Defense: The Oilers spent their finest draft bullet on another defenseman and at this point someone has to be headed out of town for a G prospect or a C. The top 3 prospects on this list are D’s, 5 of the top 10 and 8 of the top 15. Outstanding depth on defense, can’t recall the last time they had some many good prospects at this position.

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I love what the Oilers did yesterday. Entering the draft, they owned three bullets and then three pellets; they turned that into 4 of the top 10 prospects on this list and another three who made the top 20. That’s outstanding value. It’ll be years before we know, and they certainly did pass a lot of talent at #37, but the bets seem very reasonable and the prospect list much stronger this morning.

 

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  1. ehuisman says:

    Regarding Tuohimaa: he was signed by HPK Hämeenlinna just before the Oilers contract and he’ll most probably be their #1 G this upcoming SM-liiga season. The fact that he’ll be coached by Kari Lehtonen (full namesake of the Stars G, not related) should be a big enough reason for the Oilers to let him stay in Finland. His track record is pretty impressive.

    I’ve been meaning to do a fanpost update on Copper&Blue about him for a while now, but maybe I’ll wait until I get a chance to do an interview with him in September…

  2. Lowetide says:

    Look forward to it! Disappointed there were no Finns taken yesterday.

  3. knighttown says:

    Hard to judge yesterday of course but my general sense is “disappointed”. If you’ve ever done a fantasy draft and you have players targeted and the teams before you seem to pick them you’ll know what I mean.

    I prayed for Barkov or Drouin, hoped for Lindholm or Monahan and was Ok with Nurse.

    As pick #37 came up it seemed like a cant lose. Fucale still on the board and two first round power forwards in Erne and De La Rose AND JT Compher, he guy I had targeted at #37 as the future #3 Centre. Then boom! All four of them go in picks 33-36 and I suspect the oilers draft sheet was empty.

    They trade down hoping to get another slider Hagg, Zykov, Jarry, Santini, Pétan. heatherington or Bowie and Lehkonen. All of them gone again by the Oilers pick. They take Roy and slide down again.

    That one garbage time win really changed the course of the franchise. Not necessarily worse but it will be interesting to follow. Would have been Monahan and Fucale instead of Nurse and Roy.

  4. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    Look forward to it! Disappointed there were no Finns taken yesterday.

    We’re going to sign Filppula right?

    Can’t ice a team this dangerously low on Finns.

  5. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    knighttown: That one garbage time win really changed the course of the franchise. Not necessarily worse but it will be interesting to follow. Would have been Monahan and Fucale instead of Nurse and Roy.

    Not fulfilling the tank is galling as a draft fan. But I was pleasantly surprised to see Barkov go so early to keep me from fantasizing about him falling to wherever we might have ended up.

    ———

    Lindholm was the one I really hoped fell to us. A lot of the mockdrafts I read clearly don’t see his value and I was hoping some of the GMs felt the same way. In a way though, I’m happy he went where he should have. Something is wrong in the universe when people diss talent like that.

    I wanted the big Russian at 7. We need power forwards and we need results now. But if this year is the year we start packing the deep freeze with sides of beef for the next several winters I’ll be happy with that. This draft signalled, I think and hope, an end to rushed prospects.

    I also think a bit of the disappointment over the draft day was simply a reflection of rumors turning up nothing. I’m not going to hold these new Oilers (I love you all!!) hostage to those expectations. MacT has a lot of work to do now on the trade and FA side and I hope he can bring home some pieces, but yesterday was a completely independent event.

  6. 8p0intgame says:

    I must admit I was disappointed with Nurse at 7 OV, but a potential future top pairing of Nurse and J. Schultz sounds too good to pass up! Loved the Slepyshev selection. Hope he does well on Yak’s line in the preseason!

    I hope MacT can find two top 4 D-men in free agency. Klefbom can play on the third pairing with J. Schultz. Heavily sheltered of course. :)

  7. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Speaking of Russians… Yakimov to Yakipov is amazing and hilarious.

    The interview with Yakimov was critical for me. This kid already has a relationship with the Oil. If he turns out, he’s going to play for us. Yakipov has changed the world of the Oil. We are now very Russian friendly.

    I think long-term this is going to help sell the return of Zharkov (if he develops) and the cross-over of Slep and Yakimov… maybe even Harti (I know he’s not Russian… but if the flow from the KHL to EDM takes off he may get caught up in the crowd).

    If the Belov signing works we also may have found a new pipeline of mid-20s talent for free, undrafted Russian pros.

    If they feel EDM is a friendly place to land… and we look to be creating that environment… we might just corner the market.

    Yak City!!!

  8. gcw_rocks says:

    Giving up zykov for that collection of bums was disappointing. Love your optimism LT, but I can’t share it. Not even a little bit. I bet zykov scores more points in his nhl career than the five guys the Oilers picked instead. Because Oilers. Because Kings.

    Yesterday was a disaster. Plain and simple.

  9. knighttown says:

    Much like Gillis in Vancouver, MacT has really painted himself into a corner here. The current NHL roster is horrifically unbalanced, maybe more so than in any other year, and the draft is a place where real NHL players get moved.

    Hopkins is out and will not be right until the season is well underway and Gagner isn’t yet signed. Horcoff is either on his way out of town or possibly worse, brought back when he and everyone else in the city knows its what both parties want. It is not impossible that our 1/2 centres to open the season are Lander and Belanger.

    We have no backup goalie or #3 goalie. None.

    Our Top 4 D is still really bad.

    I liken it to Gillis because everyone knows MacT has to move wingers or defensive prospects and it has to be soon. The price for an acquisition has just gone way up. I think the reason they grabbed so many pucks is because guys like Gernat, Marinicin and Simpson are on their way out of town really soon

  10. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Can I get a refresher on the ages of these cats?

    Who was an over-ager yesterday? Slep, right? anyone else?

  11. theres oil in virginia says:

    I went from being very excited that MacT was going to make a zillion trades and send everyone away for a whole new crop of NHLers (in the days before the draft), to being very disturbed that MacT was going to send everyone away for freaking Corey Schneider and Braydon Coburn (right before and during the draft), to being pretty happy that MacT didn’t sell the farm for magic beans. It’s not too late for that to happen, but everything he is saying about not accepting bad trades has me sleeping a bit easier. I think that some of these teams are still in cap trouble, and they are going to have to accept less return to get out of trouble. I particularly agree with those here saying “don’t bail out a GM who’s in a world of shit”, and MacT did not do that. Unfortunately, that means he didn’t do much of anything. As far as trading a 5% chance for a 3% + a 2% + 1% chance, I don’t much care.

    Are any of yesterday’s Oilers selections going to make an impact at the NHL level in the next 2 years?

    With the Nurse selection, which D-prospect becomes the most expendable?

  12. 8p0intgame says:

    @Rom:

    Slepyshev was passed over last year. Concerns he wouldn’t come to NA.

  13. 8p0intgame says:

    @ Virginia:

    I would say Gernat becomes available. Marincin is huge.

  14. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Funny moment yesterday.

    I missed the entire draft excepted the first 7 picks (had to jet). But I caught very briefly the Tambellini pick (I turned it on mid-day at the in-laws to see if any trades happened)… really happy for the kid and his dad (terrible GM, but by all accounts nice guy and I definitely was happy for him and his kid).

    But TSN threw up Button’s draft card on him. Good marks on everything except “compete level” only a 2 out of 5. There is something about this family and “compete level.”

    anyway, would have been a nice late round pick for us. good luck Adam.

  15. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    theres oil in virginia:
    With the Nurse selection, which D-prospect becomes the most expendable?

    I would say Musil.

  16. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    8p0intgame:
    @Rom:

    Slepyshev was passed over last year. Concerns he wouldn’t come to NA.

    Looks like Campbell is an over-ager too.

  17. Lucinius says:

    I didn’t overly mind what the Oilers did and did not accomplish yesterday. I would have preferred Nichushkin over Nurse.. but Nurse was the safer pick that still made sense. Wanted to see them trade up into 5 to grab whichever of the two secondary centers were available, but likely the cost was too high given no team was able to make that trade despite a number of them attempting to.

    Didn’t mind the trade down in the second round, especially given the Russians that came because of it.

    As for the non-trades for players… meh. MacT was in constant negotiation for Cobourn and quite likely Philly is just asking for far too much given some of the… animations MacT was making. Missing out on Frolik I don’t mind, never was a big fan of him. Bolland would have been nice.. but I doubt the Oilers had a shot at the price level; that was a pure salary dump and they wanted it out of conference, imo.

    Would have liked to see them grab Clutterbuck.. but not at anything resembling the cost the Isles paid (who may have paid it because Nino wanted out of the organization).

    Overall? A little disappointed, but pleased MacT didn’t make trades for the sake of making trades. I’d rather be disappointed instead of being furious.

  18. HugThePost says:

    I think MacT deserves the usual free agency period to acquire his NHL help, so I’m not going to jump all over him at this point. He did fine at the draft; Nurse by all accounts cannot miss, he just needs time.

    I’m far happier knowing that MacT will not pull a Milbury and make asinine trades for the sake of making a trade. Sure, he’s at a disadvantage in that other GM’s know he is a bit desperate, but other GM’s are not in great spots either due to the dropping Cap.

    It’ll be a very interesting first couple of weeks of July.

  19. TheOtherJohn says:

    LT

    You are the eternal optimist. The Oiler top prospects are replete with our 2013 draft picks. Why? Because they have not been tested against men at the AHL level. It is astonishing how many players become suspects when they move up to play at the next level.

    This summer from an Oiler perspective has the makings to be fascinating. Will also love to watch what Jim Nill in Dallas does this summer

  20. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Agree. Or at least I hope so. Musil has qualities that can be found often and with relative ease. Gernat exudes offense and has size and great mobility.

    Here’s the thing that occurred to me this morning regarding Coburn.

    Pretty strong belief that Poile moves Weber for that infusion of offense he was hoping for at the draft. And one has to believe that Holmgren is going to be in that conversation. So it would be in MacTavish’s interests to get in on the Weber trade negotiations so that he is aware of the price and perhaps the other suitors. Then if it appears that Holmgren is closing in on a deal and needs to make cap room, trade a 2014 2nd rounder or Musil for Coburn. He has all summer to add Coburn, if that is indeed the target, and the price may be lowered if Holmgren needs to make space quickly.

  21. Ducey says:

    knighttown:
    Much like Gillis in Vancouver, MacT has really painted himself into a corner here. The current NHL roster is horrifically unbalanced, maybe more so than in any other year, and the draft is a place where real NHL players get moved.

    Hopkins is out and will not be right until the season is well underway and Gagner isn’t yet signed. Horcoff is either on his way out of town or possibly worse, brought back when he and everyone else in the city knows its what both parties want. It is not impossible that our 1/2 centres to open the season are Lander and Belanger.

    We have no backup goalie or #3 goalie. None.

    Our Top 4 D is still really bad.

    I liken it to Gillis because everyone knows MacT has to move wingers or defensive prospects and it has to be soon. The price for an acquisition has just gone way up. I think the reason they grabbed so many pucks is because guys like Gernat, Marinicin and Simpson are on their way out of town really soon

    Season starts Monday, right?

    The draft hardly ever results in big deals. This year Schneider was moved. MacT was in on that and apparently topped what the eventual return was. Thank goodness it didn’t go ahead. Bolland and Frolik are UFA’s in 12 months and are smaller players with expensive deals and regressing stats. Clutterbuck is over-rated in my opinion, but we didn’t have any former 1st round picks to throw around. I would have been upset if they traded Marincin for him. Sekera? McBain? Come on.

    None of those deals would have done much for the Oilers. People were excited by the Fistric and Smithson trades because Tambo had “done something!” They don’t look so good now. I guess a trade yesterday would have given the fans something to talk about but that is not a good enough reason to do them.

    There is still lots of time to wait for the right deal, rather than just taking the current one.

  22. sliderule says:

    Thanks for all the draft analysis and prospect summary.You did a great job and it’s much appreciated

    On the draft I was extremely disappointed.The oil didn’t address our weakness at center or goal.

    In taking Nurse we passed on Horvat who will probably end up as a Bergeron clone.

    After missing on Fucale we had a chance for the third best goalie and traded out.

    We twice traded out for later picks and then as per usual pissed them away.Muir,Campell.WTF is that.

    Stu the not so magnificent should be fired for those picks.It’s obvious that he thinks that later picks are useless and throws bones to scouts perhaps to keep them happy so you don’t have to pay them much.
    The trading down when you treat the picks with so little respect is ultimately on MacT

  23. Gret99zky says:

    Do Gagner and MPS demand more $$$ now that Mr. Bold is standing at the plate with a 2-0 count?

    How about Whitney, Fistric, Peckham, Jones, Smithson, Petrell? Do some of these guys get a contract as UFA strike-out insurance?

    Exactly how small a corner has our intellectual rookie GM painted himself into?

  24. RMGS says:

    I don’t know enough about these picks to draw definitive conclusions, but I can’t help but feel that it was an underwhelming performance. As it turns out, talk (and innuendo) IS cheap!

    MacT and Stu must not have seen much difference between players likely available at 37 and 56, because intuitively it seems odd to deal yourself out of the top 50 in a supposedly deep draft. That said, I like the Slepyshev pick at 88 (skilled LW with size), and if only he and Nurse pan out, it’s a success in my books.

    So now, LOTS of current NHL roster holes remain to be filled…

  25. Gret99zky says:

    Do Gagner and MPS demand more $$$ now that Mr. Bold is standing at the plate with a 0-2 count?

    How about Whitney, Fistric, Peckham, Jones, Smithson, Petrell? Do some of these guys get a contract as UFA strike-out insurance?

    Exactly how small a corner has our intellectual rookie GM painted himself into?

  26. Halfwise says:

    Tough crowd here. MacT has raised our expectations faster than he has been able to meet them.

    Here is what I like so far: the Belov signing, the Nurse selection, the obvious intention to take Fucale, the way he managed to turn the pick after Fucale was taken into 5 workable picks, the new Russian pipeline, and the image of a guy with a plan who is willing to deal without being a doormat.

    Here is what intrigues me: I think Horcoff has told MacT he is tired of the losing and would like a ticket out of town. If MacT can not arrange that ticket, does it mean Horcoff won’t play here? I doubt it, he is an adult and a pro. But I am a glass-half-full guy.

    Here is what I don’t like: I was hoping for some of those 5 new workable picks to be turned into a roster player.

    The holes in the NHL lineup as of June 29 are still the holes as of July 1. But the organization did improve its depth chart, didn’t get auction fever and opened up an interesting new supply route through the Urals.

    I’m willing to wait and see where this leads. LT’s list is still valid, the version without Schneider’s name at the top.

  27. RexLibris says:

    Anger over MacTavish not being able to make a trade to address more immediate concerns should be directed somewhat at Steve Tambellini.

    His were the decisions that cost the Oilers a 3rd and 4th round pick, and that retained marginal UFAs at the deadline that could have recouped or added selections. Had MacTavish had two 3rd round picks and a 4th he might have been able to swing a deal for Coburn instead of prioritizing leveraging those picks into more selections.

    Also, it is July 1st. If there hasn’t been any progress on improving the team by August 15th then we can start to question bold statements. The NHL summer is, for all intents and purposes, just beginning.

    I wouldn’t rate this year’s draft as a complete disaster when compared with some other teams’ performances: Calgary comes to mind.

  28. 8p0intgame says:

    Oilers D-men & prospects:

    LHD > Smid, N. Schultz, Belov, Klefbom, Marincin, Gernat, Simpson, Musil, Davidson, and Gustafsson.
    RHD > Petry, J. Schultz, Potter, Fedun, LaLeggia, Teubert, Plante, and Bigos.

    If we subtract Teubert, Plante, and Bigos (as most expect), the Oilers have 10 LHD and only 5 RHD.

    The Oilers have two LHD prospects with first round pedigree. Klefbom is expected to push for a roster spot this upcoming season, Marincin and Gernat in 2014-15, and Nurse in 2015-16 (assumption based on Scott Reynold’s work at the Copper & Blue). The jury’s still out on Simpson and Musil. I’m cheering like hell for Davidson, but I think Corey Potter is his ceiling. LaLeggia and Gustafsson are reach picks, IMO.

    I think it’s safe to say Marincin and Gernat are “Tier I” prospects; Simpson & Musil “Tier II”.

    At least one of Marincin or Gernat is on his way out this summer. With 2LW, 3/4C, 3RW, a top 4 D, and a backup goalie required, possibly both as well as Simpson and Musil.

  29. TheOtherJohn says:

    Ducey

    You keep repeating that Frolik is a smaller player. That is simply not true. He is as big as the biggest Oiler in our top 6. You may not like him but he’s not undersized. Nor does he play small. Nor is he expensive if he playing on your 3rd line. Course if your real argument is we should have no interest in the player because the Oilers did not make the trade, ok gotch ya. Ditto Clutterbuck.

    Every trade MacT doesn’t make = smart decision. Amazingly that’s what you said about th other guy

  30. Woodguy says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    Ducey

    You keep repeating that Frolik is a smaller player. That is simply not true. He is as big as the biggest Oiler in our top 6. You may not like him but he’s not undersized. Nor does he play small. Nor is he expensive if he playing on your 3rd line. Course if your real argument is we should haveno interest in the player because the Oilers did not make the trade, ok gotch ya. Ditto Clutterbuck.

    Every trade MacT doesn’t make = smart decision. Amazingly that’s what you said about th other guy

    Frolik is very much like Paajarvi.

  31. Woodguy says:

    Not a lot of NHL players moved yesterday. That was a surprise.

    Still a pile of cap strung teams.

    Hope MacT can add something of value to the roster.

    I’ll hold my opinion of his summer until…..well….summer is over.

  32. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy:
    Not a lot of NHL players moved yesterday. That was a surprise.

    Still a pile of cap strung teams.

    Hope MacT can add something of value to the roster.

    I’ll hold my opinion of his summer until…..well….summer is over.

    In Edmonton, that should be by the end of the day. ;)

  33. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I know I’m getting wildly ahead of myself here, but other than being a draft junkie I’m a huge WJC nut.

    Somewhere in the Summer LT can you project this prospect list onto their respective national WJC teams? I’d like to have a debate over who might make it and can’t wait to see how they do. I suspect a few of our Euro Ds will be graduated from the competition.

  34. Numenius says:

    Given the Nurse selection and the other depth on D, I’m wondering if we should be considering trading Klefbom for immediate help.

    Would Klefbom for Coburn straight up make sense?

    Coburn is more or less where we expect Klefbom to be in his prime. So getting Coburn would be a great way to quicken the development process for desperately needed top 4 help now. He’s 28 on contract for 3 more years at a reasonable cap hit of 4.5 million. That would really get him settled in Edmonton to the point where he may stay longer. Reading some of the Flyers boards showed that they really like him a lot and are only considering trading him due to cap issues. I wonder what the Flyers would think of that trade.

  35. theres oil in virginia says:

    Numenius,

    I think this is pretty close to the mark for getting a guy like Coburn. I don’t know exactly which side of Klefbom is where the deal might happen (Klefbom plus… or Coburn plus…), but it’s certainly going to take more than Musil, etc. Same thing for a guy like Gardiner.

    LT would hate that trade unless Coburn changes his name!

  36. 8p0intgame says:

    Numenius,

    I think you need to sweeten the deal with a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

  37. Numenius says:

    8p0intgame:
    Numenius,

    I think you need to sweeten the deal with a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

    Yeah, I was thinking that might be necessary. As long as its nothing too significant, I can see that being a trade where both sides are happy.

    At least once LT gets over the fact that he has to settle for Co-burn puns rather than Klef-bomb ones. :)

  38. SoxandOil says:

    I think some of us might be drunk or high. I’m am very happy we didn’t leave the draft with Schneider especially at the cost, a 1st 2nd and prospect to a division rival. Also the price was Clutterbuck was way too high, essentially Parjaavi. Bolland would have been nice but would have cost both 2nds. The only miss was Nino he would have been the perfect add although I’m not sure the cost. So instead of being pissed at MacT about not making a trade we should be applauding him for not making a stupid move.

    Also Zykov would have been a nice pick at 37 but instead MacT filled the cupboards and ended up with some lottery tickets that have a high payout.

    Oh and guys complaining about the 50. MacT will now trim the fat off the barons and between the Euros, College kids and the rest returning to the CHL I doubt any get signed this year.

  39. 8p0intgame says:

    Numenius,

    Comparing Coburn’s stats to Nurse’s NHLe, I get the feeling that Coburn is what we hope Nurse becomes. I wouldn’t be happy about parting with Klefbom, but he has a fairly extensive injury history so I guess I could live with it. :/

  40. rich says:

    Like many others, I think the “letdown” about yesterday was more from the standpoint that MacT set the bar very high heading in. It’s about managing the expectations of a fan base that is tired of all the losing.

    Whether it turns out right remains to be seen, but as was said earlier, it’s sometimes better to under-promise and over-deliver, particularly in public and build some early successes. That does more to earn the confidence of the people around you in an organization – and with a public fanbase.

    Every time he opened his mouth, prior to the draft it got us excited. And I’m also sure it sent some messages to some more cynical GM’s around the league that the rookie GM is so anxious to make a deal, maybe he’ll do something stupid out of impatience.

    Gillis wanted way more than Schneider was worth, thank God that deal was not done.

    It seems that Holmgren was trying to fleece MacT and couldn’t for Coburn. A deal may eventually get done here, but again, like w/Schneider, sometimes a little patience can go a very long way.

    In the light of a new day, the team accomplished what it in fact needed to do at the draft table in replenishing the forward depth in the system and getting a BPA (ok – you can argue Nicushkin there but still, Nurse has the potential to be a solid d-man). This may eventually turnout good, but we won’t know for several years.

    In the meantime, with the bar set high, a somewhat skeptical fanbase rightly waits to see what he’s going to do with FA right around the corner. Particularly given what he’s said about Hemsky and Horcoff.

    Playing the cards so publically on all of this may eventually work out. But I also can’t help but feel that this weekend was a real eye opener for a rookie GM. He may eventually be ok, but may be better served to let his actions speak a little louder than his rhetoric in the future.

  41. Ducey says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    Ducey

    You keep repeating that Frolik is a smaller player. That is simply not true. He is as big as the biggest Oiler in our top 6. You may not like him but he’s not undersized. Nor does he play small. Nor is he expensive if he playing on your 3rd line. Course if your real argument is we should haveno interest in the player because the Oilers did not make the trade, ok gotch ya. Ditto Clutterbuck.

    Every trade MacT doesn’t make = smart decision. Amazingly that’s what you said about th other guy

    Frolik is 6’1″ and 198 lbs. He looked small to me in the playoffs. He is not a physical player. He had 8 minutes in PIM’s and 10 points last year. His point totals have gone 45, 43, 38, 15, 10. You get all that for $2.33 million. How is trading Hemsky or Horcoff and bringing in this guy an upgrade? Why not just give that money to someone in free agency and keep your picks?

    The Oilers should disregard all the other possibilities and jump on the first 3 that come along?

  42. Martin Lundén (dohfOs) says:

    “@IgorEronko (Sports.ru hockey department)
    Anton Slepyshev says he's glad there're a lot of Russians in #Oilers system. His contract with #Salavat of #KHL expires in 2015″

    #HereComeTheRussians

  43. bookje says:

    After yesterday’s trade ‘activity’ by the Oilers I had a thought. What if Lowe and MacT are just puppets for Tambellini who is secretly running things from behind the scenes? Nobody has seen the guy since his ‘firing’. Maybe Katz fired him upwards ala Lowe to Glorious Leader of hockey operations?

  44. lance says:

    Spent the weekend texting with a flyer’s fan. We went over every player of interest, I made Snider jokes while he took no shots at the Oilers ever. I think it was pity. On Coburn he sounds like our Smid. Hate to see the guy go, fond memories, all that. But if it makes the team better…that MPS is interesting.

    I bet MacT realized by Friday night that no GM was desperate, everyone has a quiet out clause from their temporary cap issues. None were getting fleeced, and certainly not by the new guy. And further I suspect that club of old white men has its own special set of dues, one especially payable after all that bold talk.

  45. JohnnyOilfan says:

    To all those that are disappointed that MacT didn’t pull the trigger on a deal for a roster player yesterday, please step of the ledge and calm down. Obviously the demand for those roster players were too high. I would’ve liked to see the Coburn acquired, but not at the reported cost of two 2nd rounders and Smid. And thank God that trade didn’t go through with the trade for Schneider. Sometimes the best trades are the trades that you don’t do! I still believe Dubnyk can be that #1 goalie. I was hoping for Monahan but happy to have Nurse. And I’m liking the kid lore and more
    Having a top 3 of J Schultz, Nurse and Klefdom is going to be huge! Our defence is now set for years to come. Let’s see what’s shakes out in free agency. The cupboards are now well stocked and they’re teams that will need to offload some players to get under the cap. And the currency that will be used to obtain these players will be young prospects and futures. Next week is going to be very interesting!

  46. eidy says:

    Very interesting draft and overall I think MacT and Stu did quite well. I am disappointed that Monahan and Lindholm didn’t fall and to a lesser degree Fucale in round two, but that is out of their control. For that point I’m also sad MacKinnon didn’t fall. I also like that they appeared to take close to BPA and didn’t pick based on perceived need ie we need a goalie so we have to take one. Finally, he said that he would pick skill and for the most part he did. People complain about going walkabout and you could argue the first walkabout was pick 113, I could live with that.

    As for our selections
    #7 Nurse: I quite like the pick. I like the Russian, but it is hard to argue with taking consensus 8 at 7. He is driven, fierce competitor, good interview and smart… sounds exactly like a MacT pick. His energy is infectious and kind of reminded me of Eberle after the draft

    #37: Would have liked Zykov here given what was left, not sure this is the right decision to pass on him.

    #59 Roy: Consensus number 59, redline had him at 39 seems like a solid pick. Listed as C, but seems to play a lot of wing.

    # 83 Yakimov: consensus ranking 85. redline ranks him 148 and skating is the big issue. All picks at this stage have some warts and MacT said that if it comes down to having skill and another weakness that may improve, he will choose the skill. I watched a few videos on this guy and he kind of reminds me of Teemu. There were a few where he just bulled his way out of the corner. I also think the Yakupov connection is nice

    #88 Slepyshev, consensus 68 and last year was a first round pick potential. He is a steal talent wise at this position. Watched him in the subway series and thought he was the best player lots of nights. Hope he comes over. Pure talent wise, I wonder where he ranks compared to Nukushkin and Zykov. I would suspect he is ahead of Zykov, but not Nukushkin.

    #94 Houck, Not in Consensus top 100. Redline had him 40 and had him as the 2nd most underrated player.

    #188 Chase, consensus top 100 and redline had him at 70. He was their 3rd most underrated player and extreme value at this pick. Seems to have left his mark on Moroz and the oil kings during that series. I like him better than the platzer through Betker picks

    Character, skill, underrated players, and a 2 potential stars in Nurse and Slepyshev. I wish they would have got Zykov instead, but a gamble of him vs Slepyshev, Yakimov, Houck, Platzer ….. it could be close. OTOH, Zykov might play for 10 years as a power forward ala dustin brown (spits) and the others not step foot in the NHL.

  47. knighttown says:

    A lot of people are missing the boat on why a few of us are upset. MacT’s performance so far has been fine; draft was ok, Belov OK and thought process seems good. I just wish he’d shut the eff up and do his job. By publicly discussing Horcoff and Hemsky’s lack of a role on this team going forward you’ve removed bringing them back even as a viable option. Even if YOU know that as a GM, keep it to yourself.

    If I’m an agent of a UFA centre this summer the Oilers are the first team I call even if its just to drive the price up. I expect you’ll hear a lot of “in the conversation on…” but somehow the player will go elsewhere.

    Gagner’s agent…same.

    Opposing GMs looking to shop someone…Coburn,Clutterbuck, Schneider…same again.

  48. OilClog says:

    Oilers didn’t overpay yesterday

    Restocked their prospects

    Didn’t pull a Gillis.

    It was a great day.

    Klefbomb for Coburn??!?! are you out of your freaking mind?!?!

  49. Clay says:

    Ducey: Season starts Monday, right?

    The draft hardly ever results in big deals.This year Schneider was moved.MacT was in on that and apparently topped what the eventual return was.Thank goodness it didn’t go ahead.Bolland and Frolik are UFA’s in 12 months and are smaller players with expensive deals and regressing stats.Clutterbuck is over-rated in my opinion, but we didn’t have any former 1st round picks to throw around.I would have been upset if they traded Marincin for him.Sekera?McBain?Come on.

    None of those deals would have done much for the Oilers. People were excited by the Fistric and Smithson trades because Tambo had “done something!” They don’t look so good now.I guess a trade yesterday would have given the fans something to talk about but that is not a good enough reason to do them.

    There is still lots of time to wait for the right deal, rather than just taking the current one.

    I echo your sentiments exactly. It seems every waiver wire pickup, every trade (no matter how minor) and every draft pick brings a ton of “Where were the Oilers in this” type negative comments – it’s getting to the point of comedy.

    The simple fact with the draft is that the vast majority of kids taken yesterday will have little to no NHL career. So getting all worked up on draft day about choice X over choice Y in the third round is ridiculous.

    It goes in both directions, too. I recall a lot of joy in 2010 when Hamilton, Pitlick, and Martindale were scooped in the second and third rounds… Hell, I was one of the cheerleaders.

    And all these minor trades and whatnot – with Tambo it could be reasonably expected that he was asleep at the wheel, but with MacT, I have to believe it’s because the asking price was too dear.

    Just because Chicago accepted two picks from TO for Bolland doesn’t mean that that deal was available to Edmonton. It’s not like there’s an NHL Kijiji page where GM’s list guys and say “first to offer me two draft picks wins”. I think it’s likely at this point that other teams ask a premium from Edm, for a variety of reasons. New rookie GM, history of being taken advantage of, etc, etc.

    There’s just SO MUCH that goes on behind closed doors that never makes the light of day when it comes to trade negotiations and draft choices. Everyone needs to calm down, enjoy the theater of it all (it is entertainment, after all), and watch how it all plays out.

  50. OilClog says:

    knighttown:
    A lot of people are missing the boat on why a few of us are upset. MacT’s performance so far has been fine; draft was ok, Belov OK and thought process seems good. I just wish he’d shut the eff up and do his job. By publicly discussing Horcoff and Hemsky’s lack of a role on this team going forward you’ve removed bringing them back even as a viable option. Even if YOU know that as a GM, keep it to yourself.

    If I’m an agent of a UFA centre this summer the Oilers are the first team I call even if its just to drive the price up. I expect you’ll hear a lot of “in the conversation on…” but somehow the player will go elsewhere.

    Gagner’s agent…same.

    Opposing GMs looking to shop someone…Coburn,Clutterbuck, Schneider…same again.

    It’s better then hearing crickets, watching the Oilers perform their best titanic year in and year out. It’s very good our GM is being active and actually trying to improve the team, sure maybe he is being alil over zealous at the moment.. can you blame him? We’ve been shit for 7 years!!! It’s about freaking time someone starts running around in a panic about it!!!

  51. Clay says:

    And about Bolland – the Blackhawks sold high on him, and got a 2nd and two 4ths. That’s a gross overpay for what Bolland brings. He’s smaller than Gagner, has never had 20 goals, is .5 ppg player, he’s got a $3.375M cap hit next year, and the last three years he’s gone 44.4, 44.2, and 42.5 on the faceoff dot. And that’s on one of the NHL’s best teams. Not to mention, he’s just a rental! You honestly think he wouldn’t have a Belanger-type drop off in numbers in Edmonton?

    I’d puke if the Oilers gave three draft picks for someone like that.

  52. 8p0intgame says:

    Maybe MacT should offer gross overpays to UFAs on one-year-only deals?

  53. Gret99zky says:

    Based on his talk vs. action I sincerely hope MacT doesn’t speak one word about the playoffs this season.

  54. justDOit says:

    Ballard on waivers. Free is good, but is Ballard?

  55. Rondo says:

    MacT had his list of 7, and would have taken Monahan or Lindholm if they fell to 7. The only thing that could be questioned was giving up on the 37th pick. They probably had a couple guys they would take at #7 but they were taken. So he played the odds. MacT din’t want to make big mistakes so he did not trade for players. We will have to wait years to see if this was the right strategy.

    As far as Nichushkin , they probably made the right decision , if he was a top #3 – #6 pick other teams would have jumped on that, they didn’t and he went 10th.

  56. mustang says:

    knighttown:
    A lot of people are missing the boat on why a few of us are upset. MacT’s performance so far has been fine; draft was ok, Belov OK and thought process seems good. I just wish he’d shut the eff up and do his job. By publicly discussing Horcoff and Hemsky’s lack of a role on this team going forward you’ve removed bringing them back even as a viable option. Even if YOU know that as a GM, keep it to yourself.

    If I’m an agent of a UFA centre this summer the Oilers are the first team I call even if its just to drive the price up. I expect you’ll hear a lot of “in the conversation on…” but somehow the player will go elsewhere.

    Gagner’s agent…same.

    Opposing GMs looking to shop someone…Coburn,Clutterbuck, Schneider…same again.

    Doesn’t seem to matter what the gm does or doesn’t do not everyone is happy. If he had said nothing about anything then we are back to the Tambi era….most people moaned and bitched because well…he did nothing or did he? we really don’t know because nothing was ever really said, can’t have it both ways.

  57. rickithebear says:

    The two russian selections fit like glue.
    yakupov’s father ran regional hockey program.
    Family move to edmonton.
    the two leading scorers for russia u 18 team in 11-12
    Slepyshev 3G 4A
    Yakimov 3G 4A
    Are selected by the oilers.
    MacT says they recieved inside info that the two friends want to come to NHL.
    after next season.
    Slepyshev the .55 PPG @ 18 KHL
    Kuznetsov .73 @ 18
    Tarasenko .53 @18
    Malkin .59 @ 18
    Ovechkin .44 @18
    Anisimov .26 @18
    Semin .37 @18
    LESS THE DIRECT ENTRY TO OUR ROSTER FOR A GUY PRODUCING LIKE THIS GROUP WOULD BE SILLY.
    Can you imagine not playing Malkin, Ovechkin, Semin, Kuznetsov, once they are available.
    Yakimov a large physical player with great pocession ability made it clear he is willing to go tothe AHL after this coming season to prove his game 14-15 (age 20)

  58. eidy says:

    LT. Where would zykov been on this list.3?

  59. russ99 says:

    I’m super happy with the Nurse pick for a bunch of reasons:

    • We add a really solid player to the group in a need position.
    • The Oilers end the insanity of rushing a top pick into the NHL lineup, and actually let the kid develop for a year or two.
    • They add someone to the group where skills are not even close to being replicated elsewhere in the prospect pool.
    • They didn’t outsmart themselves by drafting Horvat early or Lazar realy, really early.
    • They passed on Nichushkin who has size but has proven little else and has an attitude to match his size, not to mention real KHL concerns.

    Lots of up arrows, organization wise, seems like a real departure from the Dithers years.

  60. Gordies Elbow says:

    Trading down picks is generally a bad thing. That said, with the benefit of hindsight, it doesn’t look bad. Sounds like they had an inside track on knowledge around a few Russian players, and placed a bet that they’d be available in the middle of the draft.

    MacT traded the 37 for 57, 88, and 96, and then moved the 57 for 83, 94, and 113.

    For the 37 (Zykov,) Edmonton got 83 (Yakimov), 88(Slepyshev), 94(Houck), 96(Platzer), 113(Muir)

    Zykov is a good player, but if I don’t know if he’ll cover the bet of all of the above players.

  61. godot10 says:

    So the Oilers trade out of #37 (i.e. Zykov) and trade down to get a better Russian winger (than Zykov) and a big Russian centre, and people are complaining that this is a bad move.

    Since when is trading down to get a better player, and a 2nd player for free a bad deal.

  62. godot10 says:

    Klefbom for Coburn is lunacy.

    Philly is cap-strapped even after using both compliance buyouts.

    They HAVE to trade Coburn or Grossman at a bargain price or give away a first round draft pick with Meszaros.

    One just has to stare them down.

  63. Smarmy says:

    Did anyone take Alex Forsberg? I’m curious about that one.

    As far as the Oilers. If we’re gonna load up on Western Canadian boys and Russians then that’s fine by me.

  64. "Steve Smith" says:

    godot10: One just has to stare them down.

    …and outbid all other interested teams.

  65. Numenius says:

    godot10:
    Klefbom for Coburn is lunacy.

    Philly is cap-strapped even after using both compliance buyouts.

    They HAVE to trade Coburn or Grossman at a bargain price or give away a first round draft pick with Meszaros.

    One just has to stare them down.

    You can’t expect too bargain of a price, though. Other GM’s aren’t stupid and will be in on the mix.

    To trade for something good, you have to give up something good. Put yourself on the other side. Why would Philly even be tempted by someone like Marincin?

  66. Smarmy says:

    I heard a rumour from some other Oiler fans but haven’t seen it mentioned here.

    Is there any grumblings that Horcoff didn’t like the teams who offered to trade for him and his agent is pressuring Mac-T to buy him out so he can go out and get a new contract with whatever team he wants?

  67. godot10 says:

    “Steve Smith”: …and outbid all other interested teams.

    There aren’t very many teams that can afford to take on Coburn’s contract for three years after the compliance buyout period is over. And it will get worse for Philly if they delay till after the UFA defensemen get signed.

    Holmgren and Gillis are still both in a state of denial about what they have to get done in the next few days. Gillis is replaying his cutsiness of the Luongo fiasco by putting Ballard on normal waivers.

  68. Cameron says:

    RexLibris,

    No offense Rex, but Calgary CRUSHED it at this draft. Monohan is a future #1 C with size, Poirier is a goal scoring PF with size and wheels, and Klimchuk is an all round offensive force with a wide variety of tools. Sure Feaster and Co. took a giant face-puncher in the 3rd, but that is when you draft them.

    Of the later picks, the Russian kid looks to me like a diamond in the rough.

    Add in that Feaster moved the 4th rnd pick for Corban Knight and this draft looks to be way more productive for the Flames than what the Oilers landed.

  69. Ducey says:

    justDOit:
    Ballard on waivers. Free is good, but is Ballard?

    Good question. He doesn’t look to be any better than Nick Schultz – which is kind of the cutoff for me in terms of interest. $4 million a year for a 3rd pairing defenseman. Probably not a good fit.

    What happened to him anyway? He looked to be a good player in FLA. VCR gave up Bernier, Grabner and a 1st (Howden) for him. He then got killed in VCR. Presumably he couldn’t handle tougher minutes.

    A poor decision by Gillis.

  70. Woodguy says:

    From Jones’ article:

    Selecting Nurse is a lot better than the idea of trading the No. 7 pick, a second rounder and a prospect for Vancouver Canucks goalie Cory Schneider as was reported to be the asking price by Mike Gillis by TSN’s Ryan Rishaug.

    MacTavish would have been ripped by every hockey commentator and fan in town if he’d done that deal.

    But to watch Gillis then dispatch Schneider to New Jersey for the No. 9 pick was clearly less than the Oilers had offered according to the shock on the faces at the Edmonton table reported from the scene …

    I read about the “shock” at the Edmonton draft table when the NJD/VAN trade was announced elsewhere as well.

    Sounds like MacT tried to trade #7 + for Schneider but was ignored in favour of VAN trading him out of conference.

    Don’t like that he tried to do that deal.

    No sir, don’t like it.

    Entire Jones’ piece: http://www.torontosun.com/2013/06/30/jones-wheres-the-deals

  71. maudite says:

    The sky is not falling yet. Wow. Tomorrow is the end of compliance buyouts…more players into the ufa pool. Majority of these veterans on over pays will not likely be able to line up at Detroit and other such destinations unless they feel like getting league minimum. While I wasn’t a huge fan of the hiring process involved with Mact, I’m happy he did not blink when these other gms tried to run him down. While it would be great to make moves the moves have to make sense. I do agree he needs to play his cards a little closer to his chest but this will be learned. Holmgren tried to likely fleece him, he rebuffed and kept picks in play to still be able to make the deal. Too early to tell on the 37 or the many but early results if the Russians are interested in coming over are pretty positive. While the music has ended for draft day and one chair has been subtracted, there is a lot of summer left and teams like the flyers are already sweating knowing they have to drop weight if they want to stay in the game. I for one am glad he didn’t bail anyone out.

  72. Woodguy says:

    Cameron:
    RexLibris,

    No offense Rex, but Calgary CRUSHED it at this draft. Monohan is a future #1 C with size, Poirier is a goal scoring PF with size and wheels, and Klimchuk is an all round offensive force with a wide variety of tools. Sure Feaster and Co. took a giant face-puncher in the 3rd, but that is when you draft them.

    Of the later picks, the Russian kid looks to me like a diamond in the rough.

    Add in that Feaster moved the 4th rnd pick for Corban Knight and this draft looks to be way more productive for the Flames than what the Oilers landed.

    Every recap I’ve read doesn’t like Poirier where CAL picked him.

    Why do you always come to LT’s to talk up Flames?

    There are Flames blogs out there you know.

    Need a couple links?

    http://flamesnation.ca/

    http://www.matchsticksandgasoline.com/

    http://forum.calgarypuck.com/

    There you go.

    Go play with your friends.

    They’ll like posts about Flames there.

  73. Woodguy says:

    godot10,

    Klefbom for Coburn is lunacy.

    I agree.

    I’d have to be getting a much better player than Coburn in order to part with Klef.

  74. Woodguy says:

    godot10,

    There aren’t very many teams that can afford to take on Coburn’s contract for three years after the compliance buyout period is over.

    I have the number at about 15 teams who could.

  75. maudite says:

    A round of Rfa offers would make me giddy but in the stupid little gm club that likely means Mact cuts potential dance partners from the trading card for his entire tenure. It really is the year that screams out for this move.

  76. Rondo says:

    Woodguy,

    I’m surprised Vancouver did that deal. Their window is closing fast, their best players are getting older and they pick a guy who is probably a 1 year away , does not make sense.

    I would have gone to Philly and say Schneider for Couturier. At least that makes you a better team today and Couturier has a higher upside than Horvat

  77. prairieschooner says:

    Mac T did OK on Sunday
    He did not bite on the suckers bet that Gillis offered.
    He did not make a bad pick at #7 (I like Nurse)
    He stocked the shelves fairly well for future trades
    He appears to be tapping into the Russian market with low cost investments that could have high returns.
    My only concern is that he seems to have misplaced his copy of “The List”

  78. Lowetide says:

    eidy:
    LT. Where would zykov been on this list.3?

    Tough question. Probably, the NHLE is a big factor for me and Marincin appears to be that rare item who takes offense with him to pro. Either 3 or 4.

  79. Captain Happy says:

    Here’s a current list of available UFA’s.

    See anything you like?

    Ribeiro, Mike » C

    Dupuis, Pascal » R

    Elias, Patrik » C

    Jagr, Jaromir » R

    Ryder, Michael » R

    Boyes, Brad » R

    Iginla, Jarome » R

    Lecavalier, V. » C

    Prospal, Vinny » L

    Bozak, Tyler » C

    Roy, Derek » C

    Koivu, Saku » C

    Cullen, Matt » C

    Brunner, Damien » R

    Alfredsson, D. » R

    Morrow, Brenden » L

    Clarkson, David » R

    Selanne, Teemu » R

    Stalberg, Viktor » L

    Horton, Nathan » R

    Raymond, Mason » L

    Cooke, Matt » L

    MacArthur, Clarke » L

    Bouchard, P. » R

    Zidlicky, Marek » D

    Clowe, Ryane » L

    Antropov, Nik » C

    Filppula, V. » L

    Sullivan, Steve » L

    Corvo, Joe » D

    I would imagine there will be a couple more hit the market (Ballard?, Gilbert?) when the compliance buyout period ends tomorrow but, in reality, only Minnesota, Vancouver, Philadelphia and perhaps Boston are still facing cap issues.

  80. Mr DeBakey says:

    Every recap I’ve read doesn’t like Poirier where CAL picked him.

    “A speedy offensive forward, Poirier improved steadily in his draft year. He’s got great hands, an accurate shot and can make plays at top speed”

    From what I can see, he’s as a good late-first-round bet as most of the others.

    Someone drafted 23 – 40 will have a better NHL career, But, which one?

  81. theres oil in virginia says:

    Woodguy:
    godot10,

    Klefbom for Coburn is lunacy.

    I agree.

    I’d have to be getting a much better player than Coburn in order to part with Klef.

    I don’t get this. Does Klefbom project to be a 20-30 point guy in the NHL? Is he 6-5 and 220 lbs? Coburn is those things right now. Coburn should be coming into his best years now, but you’re not going to get him for Musil or Fedun. Holmgren will probably have to sell low, but not that low. Are you just not interested in Coburn? Or would you rather see Marincin or Nurse go out the door? Or rather keep them all and wait for them to mature?

    I think if you can get a solid d-man coming into his prime right now, you give up one of these guys. I don’t know which one. I’d like to keep them all and see how they turn out, but our top-4 is not good right now. Coburn looks to me like he would immediately be our best d-man.

  82. Lowetide says:

    I drove up from Medicine Hat just now and was thoroughly entertained by the reading here. Love this place. One thing I believe we’re missing is Roy’s impressive season. Just shy of 70 points and a tremendous kicker playoffs.

    Zykov scored 75 points in 67 games (1.12) and Roy scored 67 points in 65 games (1.03) and both are Q players. Both have nice range of skills and both had a lot of positives (RLR loved Roy btw).

    I think Roy is much better than he’s being credit for in this thread.

  83. BlacqueJacque says:

    theres oil in virginia,
    Coburn’s at the end of his best years. Most defencemen hit a wall at 30 and tumble down. For every Pronger, Lidstrom, and Niedermayer there are five Brad Stuarts and ten Nick Schultzes.

    I’ll take 10 years of Nurse starting as the kids are just beginning their prime and ending as we’re considering dumping the core in the early-mid 2020s over 3-4 years of Coburn that will fade as the kids are just hitting peak.

    Also, if you compare draft year to draft year, Nurse should be better than Coburn. Coburn didn’t hit the kind of point production Nurse did until a season or two after being drafted.

  84. godot10 says:

    theres oil in virginia: I don’t get this.Does Klefbom project to be a 20-30 point guy in the NHL?Is he 6-5 and 220 lbs?Coburn is those things right now.Coburn should be coming into his best years now, but you’re not going to get him for Musil or Fedun.Holmgren will probably have to sell low, but not that low.Are you just not interested in Coburn?Or would you rather see Marincin or Nurse go out the door?Or rather keep them all and wait for them to mature?

    Coburn is a defensive D. He is Ladislav Smid. Klefbom is a potential all tool defenseman. Not remotely close to the same beast. Klefbom can play the defensive side of the position better than than the Swedish peers his age, so he continually got stuck with the defensive roles, but he is an all tool defenseman. He can lug the puck up the ice.

    Klefbom also uses his size way better than Coburn. Coburn may be big, but he plays smaller.

    And WG, there aren’t 15 teams WITH NEED who can afford to take on Coburn’s contract. When you have a forced seller, one waits for a below market price. There will be even fewer once the UFA guys get signed.

    Look, even Carolina, who views itself as a now team, passed on Coburn at the draft. Why was Holmgrem basically begging the most desparate GM, a rookie GM on the draft floor. He was looking for a sucker.

    Holmgren and Philly have to puke up something. All one has to do is wait.

  85. eidy says:

    The similarities between Roy and Poirier are striking, I mean except where they were drafted:)

    Emile Poirier 38 Gatineau (QMHJL) Dec. 4/94 LW L 6’1/183 65 32 38 70 0
    Marc-Oliver Roy 51 Blainville (QMJHL) Nov. 5/94 C/LW L 6’0/175 65 29 38 67 +12

  86. theres oil in virginia says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    theres oil in virginia,

    Coburn’s at the end of his best years.Most defencemen hit a wall at 30 and tumble down.For every Pronger, Lidstrom, and Niedermayer there are five Brad Stuarts and ten Nick Schultzes.

    I’ll take 10 years of Nurse starting as the kids are just beginning their prime and ending as we’re considering dumping the core in the early-mid 2020s over 3-4 years of Coburn that will fade as the kids are just hitting peak.

    I think you’re thinking of NFL running backs (and Nick Schultzes – hehe). I doubt that Coburn’s best years are behind him, but I hear what you’re saying about his short shelf life, and I agree, he already has some miles. I’m not advocating a Klefbom for Coburn trade, just re-iterating that the top-4 is not good enough. So, it’s either wait until the prospects are ready to make a significant contribution (minimum of 2 more years) or move one for help now or try UFA (good luck). I’m not advocating that trade, but I’d be okay with a trade like that, and I’m just trying to make the point that you won’t get Coburn or Gardiner or insert-name-here for a 2nd rd draft pick. No GM is that desperate. There are other teams willing to offer tangibles in return (ie – Nino).

    The big question to me is: Wait until the prospects are ready? -or- Move one for help now?

  87. gcw_rocks says:

    I would say Musil should be number one on the trade list because the other prospects have a wider range off skills, but with his dad on the payroll, who knows?

  88. Gordies Elbow says:

    eidy,

    That’s the risk of going off script – here’s Jujhar Khaira’s numbers 6’3″, 198lbs, drafted 3rd round in 2012, #63:
    2012-13 Michigan Tech WCHA 37gp 6g 19a 25pts 49pim

    The comparison to another 6’3″, 2012 draft pick, who’s a centre
    2012-13 Providence College H-East 34gp 7g 11a 18pts 10pim.

    Very close, but I think I would go with Khaira, if I had to choose.

  89. onevoline says:

    I’m not sure if everyone saw this already (or even if it matters) but Aidan Muir was the first overall pick in phase 2 of the USHL draft this year.

    http://ushl.rinknetcloud.com/draft27.htm

    Up arrow?

  90. theres oil in virginia says:

    godot10: Coburn is a defensive D.He is Ladislav Smid.Klefbom is a potential all tool defenseman.Not remotely close to the same beast.Klefbom can play the defensive side of the position better than than the Swedish peers his age, so he continually got stuck with the defensive roles, but he is an all tool defenseman.He can lug the puck up the ice.

    Klefbom also uses his size way better than Coburn.Coburn may be big, but he plays smaller.

    And WG, there aren’t 15 teams WITH NEED who can afford to take on Coburn’s contract. When you have a forced seller, one waits for a below market price.There will be even fewer once the UFA guys get signed.

    Look, even Carolina, who views itself as a now team, passed on Coburn at the draft. Why was Holmgrem basically begging the most desparate GM, a rookie GM on the draft floor.He was looking for a sucker.

    Holmgren and Philly have to puke up something. All one has to do is wait.

    Not trying to be argumentative here, but to be clear I’ve not made a comparisons of Coburn to Klefbom. Also, the bits I’ve seen of Coburn show him using his size quite nicely. I hear this same complaint leveled at Jef Petry – “he doesn’t hit” – and I see him hitting quite often and effectively. Neither player crushes the opponent through the boards when they hit and perhaps that earns them that label. I have no idea how well Klefbom hits, as I’ve not seen him play, so I can’t comment on that.

    I like you’re statement that Carolina wouldn’t even play ball with Holmgren at the draft, and they’re desperate. However, that can be turned around to demonstrate that there are teams out there desperate for a guy like Coburn, and that will drive the price up.

  91. godot10 says:

    theres oil in virginia:

    The big question to me is: Wait until the prospects are ready?-or-Move one for help now?

    Eakins had big close up looks at Komisarek, Ranger, and Kostka, all likely unrestricted in a couple of days. (And RFA Gunnarsson).

    Gilbert might be UFA in a couple of days, if bought out.

    Holmgren is playing with fire if he lets MacT get to July 5. He may lose his best offer.

  92. godot10 says:

    theres oil in virginia:
    I like you’re statement that Carolina wouldn’t even play ball with Holmgren at the draft, and they’re desperate.However, that can be turned around to demonstrate that there are teams out there desperate for a guy like Coburn, and that will drive the price up.

    Who are these teams desparate for a fully paid only defensive D with 3 years left on his contract. Carolina and Edmonton are the desparate teams.

    If there were other desperate teams, why was Holmgren only stalking MacT on the draft floor.

    Holmgren couldn’t snooker Rutherford, so he focused on the rookie GM who talked big before the draft.

  93. Henry says:

    Woodguy:
    From Jones’ article:

    Selecting Nurse is a lot better than the idea of trading the No. 7 pick, a second rounder and a prospect for Vancouver Canucks goalie Cory Schneider as was reported to be the asking price by Mike Gillis by TSN’s Ryan Rishaug.


    MacTavish would have been ripped by every hockey commentator and fan in town if he’d done that deal.

    But to watch Gillis then dispatch Schneider to New Jersey for the No. 9 pick was clearly less than the Oilers had offered according to the shock on the faces at the Edmonton table reported from the scene …

    I read about the “shock” at the Edmonton draft table when the NJD/VAN trade was announced elsewhere as well.

    Sounds like MacT tried to trade #7 + for Schneider but was ignored in favour of VAN trading him out of conference.

    Don’t like that he tried to do that deal.

    No sir, don’t like it.

    Entire Jones’ piece: http://www.torontosun.com/2013/06/30/jones-wheres-the-deals

    I could see them doing the deal with next year’s first + this year 2nd + prospect. Wouldn’t have liked it, but could see it.

    I could also see them doing 7thOA this year for Schneider. Would have been more pissed. Glad that Gilles ended up buggering them and saving the Oilers from themselves.

    But…if they have hard feelings they could look at Vancouver needing to buy out Booth and Ballard to get to $12.5 M space. With 10NTCs on 14 contracts they have 9 spots to fill with the $12.5M. Maybe my read of capgeek is wrong, but they could be where the Oilers were in 2007 putting Bissalion and Syvret on the blue.

    An offer sheet to Tanev might be in order.

  94. theres oil in virginia says:

    godot10: Eakins had big close up looks at Komisarek, Ranger, and Kostka, all likely unrestricted in a couple of days.(And RFA Gunnarsson).

    Gilbert might be UFA in a couple of days, if bought out.

    Holmgren is playing with fire if he lets MacT get to July 5.He may lose his best offer.

    I agree with this. Wait until the UFA market has fully taken shape. UFA means overpay though. That still may be the best thing to do for a couple of years.

  95. BONVIE says:

    Captain Happy,

    Thanks for that list it’s actually better than I thought it would be.

  96. theres oil in virginia says:

    godot10: Who are these teams desparate for a fully paid only defensive D with 3 years left on his contract.Carolina and Edmonton are the desparate teams.

    If there were other desperate teams, why was Holmgren only stalking MacT on the draft floor.

    Holmgren couldn’t snooker Rutherford, so he focused on the rookie GM who talked big before the draft.

    I’m not sure who else is in the market. I suspect we’ll find out soon, when Holmgren trades Coburn to them, because MacT won’t part with the asking price. I hope that’s not the case, but I suspect it will be. Maybe Philly is more desperate than the potential buyers. At some point though, MacT is going to have to make a move that hurts a bit and isn’t popular.

  97. theres oil in virginia says:

    BONVIE,

    I didn’t see a whole lot of D on that list.

  98. Cameron says:

    Woodguy,

    LOL – fair enough, but I was responding to something Rex said about the Flames, not trying to hijack your thread.

    Montreal was going to take Poirier at 25, and the Flames had him in their top 15, so if they wanted him (and they did), they had to take him at 22.

    As for the Oilers, I love the Slepyshev and Yakimov selections – both are excellent value picks and I suspect will be actual players. Don’t know about passing on Zykov though. May regret that.

  99. jonrmcleod says:

    Lowetide,

    I’m just glad I’ll be able to see an Oilers prospect in the Q this season.

  100. BONVIE says:

    theres oil in virginia,
    We only really need one D and we won’t get that D by any other means but by a big trade giving up some of our young offence in exchange for a Similar calibre D.

  101. prairieschooner says:

    Kleff – Bomb is interesting in that it is hard to get excited about a guy who has played so little hockey.
    Has he had both shoulders done?
    Do Swedes have an extra shoulder? third eye chakra?

    Would Derek Roy be a fit for the OIL?

  102. Woodguy says:

    Mr DeBakey:
    Every recap I’ve read doesn’t like Poirier where CAL picked him.

    “A speedy offensive forward, Poirier improved steadily in his draft year. He’s got great hands, an accurate shot and can make plays at top speed”

    From what I can see, he’s as a good late-first-round bet as most of the others.

    Someone drafted 23 – 40 will have a better NHL career, But, which one?

    I was more or less just grinding the Flames fan who doesn’t come here to discuss the Oilers, but just talk about the Flames.

  103. Woodguy says:

    theres oil in virginia: I don’t get this.Does Klefbom project to be a 20-30 point guy in the NHL?Is he 6-5 and 220 lbs?Coburn is those things right now.Coburn should be coming into his best years now, but you’re not going to get him for Musil or Fedun.Holmgren will probably have to sell low, but not that low.Are you just not interested in Coburn?Or would you rather see Marincin or Nurse go out the door?Or rather keep them all and wait for them to mature?

    I think if you can get a solid d-man coming into his prime right now, you give up one of these guys.I don’t know which one.I’d like to keep them all and see how they turn out, but our top-4 is not good right now.Coburn looks to me like he would immediately be our best d-man.

    Yes, Klef projects that and more.

    Terms is a big thing in the swap.

    You only get 3 years of Coburn, whereas you are guaranteed at least 7 of Klef, and will probably get more.

    Value for $ is also an item.

    Klef is on the books for $1.2MM/yr for the next 3 years and his play might not be that far off Coburn in years 2 and 3 if he progresses like many think he will.

    Trading Klef for Coburn is a swindle.

    Coburn had 1 decent year as a top pairing guy and that was with the sublime Timonen.

    Coburn’s shot attempt differential that year was 50.4%.

    It was 53.5% w/ Timonen and 47.%% when away from him, even though you assume his assignment gets easier away from Timonen.

    Coburn is a 2nd pairing LD with 3 years left on his contract.

    He is not worth 7 years+ of Klef.

    Not even close really imo.

  104. Captain Happy says:

    BONVIE:
    Captain Happy,

    Thanks for that list it’s actually better than I thought it would be.

    That’s just the top free agents.

    There are others but, for the most part, are just flotsam and jetsam.

    Here is a sortable list from TSN:

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=25880

  105. Gerta Rauss says:

    We can afford to be patient in a Coburn deal. He’s not a perfect fit by any means, no need to overpay for him.

  106. Cameron says:

    Would Olier fans have preferred Bo Horvat at 7, even if that was outside the ‘consensus’ of where he should go? (he eventually went at 9 to Vcr).

    He seems to me to be a better fit for the Oil than Nurse – at least in the short term. By the time Nurse is ready to play a bigger role on the team, a guy like Horvat might already have two full years under his belt.

    After MacKinnon, Barkov, Lindholm, and Monahan are off the board, is it that much of a reach to take Horvat?

  107. Lowetide says:

    I wouldn’t trade Klefbom. In fact, I wouldn’t trade Klefbom or Marincin–the Oilers are FINALLY building a defensive pipeline after 20+ years of chaos. Keep as many as you can, trade ther guys who fall off the pace.

  108. eidy says:

    I would try to hold on to the big 4 of Nurse, Klefbom, Marincin, and Gernat.

    Musil would be the one that I would be willing to lose

    I also wonder what happens with Simpson next summer, the pipeline is looking full. I wonder if he leaves as a free agent.

  109. SoxandOil says:

    I’m sure everyone’s seen BM’s and Lebrun’s tweets about Tim Thomas being interested in returning to the NHL. He’s old and hasn’t played in a year but would he want to come for a year or two? Another gamble for sure.

  110. Gerta Rauss says:

    Lowetide:
    I wouldn’t trade Klefbom. In fact, I wouldn’t trade Klefbom or Marincin–the Oilers are FINALLY building a defensive pipeline after 20+ years of chaos. Keep as many as you can, trade ther guys who fall off the pace.

    That’s the thing about the Nurse pick-I was initially disappointed we didn’t get a C with the pick but the upside is that we’ve got a tremendous crop of D prospects now. We’ve looked at teams like Phoenix and Ottawa and been envious of their depth at D-I think we can add ourselves now to that group of teams that have a deep pipeline at D -that will serve us well in the next 5 years.

    They are not all going to become NHL players but there is quality in addition to quantity.

  111. lazerguidedmelody says:

    I totally understand Klefbom as D with a very high ceiling, but there’s also a degree of presumption about him being a sure thing, when injuries, different size ice and all those shiny baubles that derail prospects so often come into play. Wouldn’t trade him for Coburn myself, but I wouldn’t consider him untradeable, either.

  112. FastOil says:

    gcw_rocks:
    I would say Musil should be number one on the trade list because the other prospects have a wider range off skills, but with his dad on the payroll, who knows?

    Yes, as in the Oilers got Teubert for Penner, not the guys with any promise. A team that cannot look at it’s prospects and tell who the players likely are is hooped. I deeply hope that is not the Oilers anymore.

    Given Nurse was drafted, really there is only need for a stop gap LD. I don’t think the player has to be more than decent because unless MacT can Sather somebody the cost will not be worth it.
    Someone who can hold his own against good players to take pressure off Smid will do it for now. If Belov can play half assed the back end is going to be better than it was.

    Hannan might be a good cheaper fit for that. He played toughs according to Vollman charts, and in reading up on him with the Sharks still seems to still be a decent player that can handle the puck if you aren’t looking for offense. He is tough so he could play with JS and have his back, or be with Petry and let Smid and NS drop a pairing.

    MacT mentioned a powerplay LD, but really the PP is pretty good as is. The bigger issue is puck retrieval and movement which I think will bring up collective D offense on it’s own. Centre is still the big worry with Nuge likely still healing. I would hate for them to expect much until he is 100%, yet again. Don’t risk ruining him so young for no reason.

    If they sign SG make him earn his new contract on the first, sign a two way C to play seconds like Gordon (again not worrying about offense too much), and let RNH have some fun with Yak destroying thirds for a while and on the PP.

    Anyone else get the feeling MacT is going to Gillis Horcoff and keep him?

  113. Bank Shot says:

    rickithebear:
    Slepyshev the .55 PPG @ 18 KHL
    Kuznetsov .73 @ 18
    Tarasenko .53 @18
    Malkin .59 @ 18
    Ovechkin .44 @18
    Anisimov .26 @18
    Semin .37 @18
    LESS THE DIRECT ENTRY TO OUR ROSTER FOR A GUY PRODUCING LIKE THIS GROUP WOULD BE SILLY.
    Can you imagine not playing Malkin, Ovechkin, Semin, Kuznetsov, once they are available.

    He’s not producing like that group. Slepyshev had 9 points in 26 games in the regular season with two teams in the KHL. That’s 0.35 ppg. If you include his 14 scoreless playoff games he falls to 0.22 ppg which makes him the lowest in that grouping. Anisimov and Semin in comparison actually raise their ppg higher then your numbers if you include playoffs.

    Anyway. I came away disappointed with what the Oilers did at the draft. Acquiring actual NHL players is by far their biggest need and they came away with zero of them at the draft. Tambellini would be getting hammered right now for doing nothing to improve the team if he were still in charge.

    Also, of the picks they did use it seems they made an awful lot of huge gambles. Two Russians, one of which already passed through the draft, the other didn’t play at the highest level. A low scoring player from a good team supposedly held back by depth (The Moroz). A player coming from Midget!!? A 20 year old BChler. If you are going to take an overager, why not take one that is at least playing at the highest level possible? We’re looking at basically half of the ten picks being in the extreme flyer category IMO.

    Nothing of what happened at the draft shows me a GM that is supposedly “bold” or “impatient”. Still waiting to see the change in org. philosophy.

  114. Woodguy says:

    Cameron:
    Woodguy,

    LOL – fair enough, but I was responding to something Rex said about the Flames, not trying to hijack your thread.

    Montreal was going to take Poirier at 25, and the Flames had him in their top 15, so if they wanted him (and they did), they had to take him at 22.

    As for the Oilers, I love the Slepyshev and Yakimov selections – both are excellent value picks and I suspect will be actual players. Don’t know about passing on Zykov though. May regret that.

    Its not my thread, but your sense of humour is appreciated.

  115. theres oil in virginia says:

    Woodguy,

    I get that (your last analysis). My only issues are:

    “projects” – there’s always uncertainty
    Klefbom for Coburn may not be a good deal for the Oil, but it’s hardly a swindle. I think Coburn would slot into the top pairing on the Oil right now.

    Personally, I tend to dislike the idea of trading guys you’ve drafted and brought along right before they hit the show. As a fan, I like to follow guys along, and if they really succeed with another team, it leaves a bad taste. If immediate help comes back, it’ll be easier to swallow. However, I think we will see one of these guys go away soon. MacT is not a “patient” man, and our current D situation is not good.

  116. DeadmanWaking says:

    HugThePost: Sure, he’s at a disadvantage in that other GM’s know he is a bit desperate, but other GM’s are not in great spots either due to the dropping Cap.

    The word “desperate” is leading many astray because we presume it invokes the lizard brain, like the obligatory scene in 21 where the prodigy goes on tilt and pisses away $200,000 despite his handler conspicuously twirling her hair.

    MacT is willing to pay a rational premium over normal transaction values to make a sharp course correction and put his ship back on the rails. In economic theory, 29 other teams should be tripping over each other to score the upside of this rational premium. If you’re willing to offer a rational premium, the best approach is to conduct a noisy auction, which he’s done.

    Gillis posed as the leading contender to cash in this rational premium, but later exposed himself as someone seeking an irrational premium. MacT went straight to plan B, no hair twirling required. Forget the taboo about trading to a division rival. Schneider has a tremendous amount of internal knowledge about the Canucks. That’s hardly the guy you want to hand to an upcoming rival with more talent than brains, meaning that we’re presently doing a bad job of maximizing our strengths, though that could change quickly, or not.

    Here’s a question. What’s the likelihood that Schneider would earn us an extra point or two over the next season? Without Schneider, what’s the likelihood that we miss the bar by one or two points? Goalies are the only move with this kind of leverage factor. I mention this often, but you can see that people sometimes miss this effect when we were still described as a Cinderella team after Roloson started to play well. Making the playoffs at all in front of the Conklin/Markkanen revolving door was a major accomplishment. (If you split MacT’s coaching record between Roloson, Cujo, the good Salo vs all the rest how does that look?) A difference of 0.01 over 2000 shots translates to 20 goal differential. Roloson over his relatively brief stint that season outperformed the revolving door by closer to 0.03 Take any team actually making the second season and add say 50 goals to their season-ending GF-GA goal differential. Cinderella? I think not. I’m ignoring standing effects and score effects here, which tend to dampen the swing (e.g. you face the other team’s backup a lot less).

    The other upside for MacT was reducing his muddle from three fronts (center, goalie, and defense) to muddles on just two fronts (center and defense). Any rapid movement inside the cap bathtub capsizes your rubber ducky and then you can’t make another move until your lucky ducky nods his beak in the sagittal plane.

    For uncrowding the tub, it doesn’t fundamentally matter which of these three fronts are crossed off the list in which order. If he had a clean swing at the goalie situation (in his view), he was wise to take it. He’s still got two other pitches to swing at, and he can also swing at this same pitch another time.

    Like a power hitter, MacT is definitely going to swing at anything that crosses the plate. How many people described Barry Bonds as a desperate hitter? (As opposed to a desperate junky, but that’s another story.) We’ve got Olerud on 2nd and Henderson on 1st (there’s some issues with our batting order), two out in the 7th, down by four runs. Of course the pitcher knows he’s going to take a big cut at any pitch that hangs. But he’ll also take ball four if you give him that to load the bases for Mr Pipes. It’s hardly second and fifteen from the five yard line with 40 seconds left on the game clock.

    The Doomsday Machine in Dr. Strangelove

    It’s not always right to play your cards close to the vest. 90% of what’s on the stadium scoreboard is public knowledge (the other fraction is missed by the New York Times).

  117. Woodguy says:

    Smarmy:
    I heard a rumour from some other Oiler fans but haven’t seen it mentioned here.

    Is there any grumblings that Horcoff didn’t like the teams who offered to trade for him and his agent is pressuring Mac-T to buy him out so he can go out and get a new contract with whatever team he wants?

    I heard a deal was done with a team that didn’t make the playoffs last year and he said no.

    That’s when you had the news come down that “Horcoff and his agent are free to find their own damn deal”

    I still don’t think they buy him out, but it might get a little weird if he comes back and the pull the C from him.

  118. prairieschooner says:

    Scrap the Derek Roy thought, the only team he was over 40% for Face offs was us!

  119. Woodguy says:

    DeadmanWaking,

    First off, excellent observations sir.

    Second, :

    Like a power hitter, MacT is definitely going to swing at anything that crosses the plate. How many people described Barry Bonds as a desperate hitter? (As opposed to a desperate junky, but that’s another story.) We’ve got Olerud on 2nd and Henderson on 1st (there’s some issues with our batting order), two out in the 7th, down by four runs. Of course the pitcher knows he’s going to take a big cut at any pitch that hangs. But he’ll also take ball four if you give him that to load the bases for Mr Pipes. It’s hardly second and fifteen from the five yard line with 40 seconds left on the game clock.

    Mixing two different sports metaphors in relation to a 3rd sport?

    I’m both impressed and a little woozy.

  120. Woodguy says:

    theres oil in virginia:
    Woodguy,

    I get that (your last analysis).My only issues are:

    “projects” – there’s always uncertainty
    Klefbom for Coburn may not be a good deal for the Oil, but it’s hardly a swindle.I think Coburn would slot into the top pairing on the Oil right now.

    Personally, I tend to dislike the idea of trading guys you’ve drafted and brought along right before they hit the show.As a fan, I like to follow guys along, and if they really succeed with another team, it leaves a bad taste.If immediate help comes back, it’ll be easier to swallow.However, I think we will see one of these guys go away soon.MacT is not a “patient” man, and our current D situation is not good.

    I get that.

    My issue that many think Klef could be 1st pairing and Coburn has shown he isn’t unless he’s providing the help to a true 1st pariing guy like Timonen.

    That and the term you get each for make it not really close.

  121. PDO says:

    More I’m reading about the draft, the better it looks to me. I’m generally not a fan of trading down in the NHL draft; but if you’re going to trade down and then draft a bunch of Ruskies that should be going way higher, I can certainly see an argument that you’re coming way ahead.

    Really like the Roy kid from the Q, his numbers look stellar.

    Not huge on Nurse – never been a fan of drafting D that high, and I’m not sure he’ll play his best years for this team. I’d have taken the plug and play Russian and dropped him in with Gagner and Yakupov.

    MacT didn’t overpay for anything yesterday. The moves you don’t make can be just as important as the moves you make.

    There’s still lots of time to add Coburn, and there’s still other options available as well.

    I am surprised that Hemsky wasn’t traded yesterday.

  122. PDO says:

    Woodguy: I get that.

    My issue that many think Klef could be 1st pairing and Coburn has shown he isn’t unless he’s providing the help to a true 1st pariing guy like Timonen.

    That and the term you get each for make it not really close.

    Woodguy: I get that.

    My issue that many think Klef could be 1st pairing and Coburn has shown he isn’t unless he’s providing the help to a true 1st pariing guy like Timonen.

    That and the term you get each for make it not really close.

    Trading Klefbom for Coburn is asinine. Trading Klefbom+ is how GM’s get fired.

    If the want from Philly is Klefbom, the want from Edmonton should be Brayden Schenn or Sean Couturier.

  123. theres oil in virginia says:

    Woodguy,

    Yeah, the issue you exposed with Coburn regarding the WOWY factor with Timonen gives me pause.

  124. jfry says:

    PDO,

    some people are stating that hemsky’s value will be at it’s highest in the middle of july once team’s have seen the crazy numbers being thrown around at UFA wingers.

    i’m not sure if i agree. but it’s a theory.

  125. Numenius says:

    Thanks Woodguy and everyone else for the discussion on the prospect of a Klefbom/Coburn trade.

    Still don’t thinks its ludicrous, but am now fairly convinced it’d be a bad deal.

  126. Woodguy says:

    PDO,

    MacT didn’t overpay for anything yesterday. The moves you don’t make can be just as important as the moves you make.

    By all accounts he tried to though.

    #7, a 2nd and an AHLer on ELC were reported to be offered by more than a few people.

    All for 2 years of Schneider (I guess MacT thought he could re-sign him…..)

    Not good.

  127. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy: #7, a 2nd and an AHLer on ELC were reported to be offered by more than a few people.

    Not sure if that was the offer or the ask. I expect the latter, which is reason enough the deal didn’t get done.

    Mike Gillis can go piss up a rope.

  128. Bruce McCurdy says:

    As for Holmgren, I’m not sure that I’d trade Smid for Coburn straight up, so Smid ++ 2 second rounders is ridiculous. (as reported, though that would hardly solve Philly’s cap issues, now would it?)

    Maybe we should just cut our losses, keep Smid, and give Holmgren the 2 picks for nothing!

    He can join Gillis and that rope.

  129. PDO says:

    Woodguy:
    PDO,

    MacT didn’t overpay for anything yesterday. The moves you don’t make can be just as important as the moves you make.

    By all accounts he tried to though.

    #7, a 2nd and an AHLer on ELC were reported to be offered by more than a few people.

    All for 2 years of Schneider (I guess MacT thought he could re-sign him…..)

    Not good.

    Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 46s
    Canucks were not have offered a 1st, 2nd and a very high end prospect by the Oilers, but that is what Gillis asked for…#trustmysource

    I think the reason the Oil brass were so surprised was the difference of what Gillis wanted from Edmonton and what he ultimately dealt Schneider for.

    If I’m a Vancouver fan and I know #7 was on the table but he took #9 instead I’m furious.

  130. Lowetide says:

    The good thing is that if it’s 9-2 Oil after two, MacT will probably go down to the dressing room to offer a dime for the 10th goal.

  131. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Living out in Abbotsford BC, and have to listen to Canucks Radio out here – Gillis, when asked if the Oilers offered a 1st, 2nd and a prospect, for CS, he vehemently denied that there was any deal in play. from the Oilers. Complete fabrication it sounds like.

    For whatever that’s worth…

  132. Thor762 says:

    Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 14m
    As per @tsnbobmckenzie,NJ made David Clarkson a contract offer – but it did not result in a deal before his contract expired at midnight last night. Talks may or may not continue. Clarkson will be UFA on Friday but can field offers as early as Wednesday.
    Retweeted by Bob McKenzie

    What do you gents and scoundrels think the price of Clarkson will be as a ufa?

  133. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    The good thing is that if it’s 9-2 Oil after two, MacT will probably go down to the dressing room to offer a dime for the 10th goal.

    That’s like gangster-speak for $10K right?

  134. Woodguy says:

    PDO: Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 46s
    Canucks were not have offered a 1st, 2nd and a very high end prospect by the Oilers, but that is what Gillis asked for…#trustmysource

    I think the reason the Oil brass were so surprised was the difference of what Gillis wanted from Edmonton and what he ultimately dealt Schneider for.

    If I’m a Vancouver fan and I know #7 was on the table but he took #9 instead I’m furious.

    Perhaps.

    I heard differently, but I wasn’t there either.

  135. TheOtherJohn says:

    Would not trade Klefbom for Coburn straight up. Would not trade at all unless I was getting a young top pairing D back. OEL, Pietrangelo or, at a lesser cost, Bogosian. Think Klefbom in 3 years could be a 2-3 D man on a real good team.

    Do not see where anyone is getting the projected offense from. It certainly is not from his time in the SEL. In his draft year he scored at a .08 pts per game and draft +1 he got worse .06 pts per game. Draft +2 he was .27 pts per game.

    OEL was .45 p/Gm in draft year and .65 p/Gm draft+1

    So if the argument is I think he has better offense than he’s shown to date. K But that’s kinda like predicting 55 pts from Pitlick in the AHL next year. Could happen just not off of his track record.

    We NEED a couple of these young D prospects to pan out. Desparately. Largely because its very hard to trade for them

    I’d also seriously consider an outrageous 1 year deal for Vincent Lecavalier. Costs nothing but $$ and if VL wants to play in TB in 14/15 fine on me. Completely unaware of any superlative Oiler F prospect who’s growth VL would be stunting. Who knows if he’s still a player, he might like playing in a hockey market

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