THE ROOKIES!

The Edmonton Oilers have graduated a stunning group of rookies to the show since fall 2010. Aside from giving the team an outstanding future based on high end individuals, it also means fewer rookies into the league beginning this fall.

Before we look forward to this fall, let’s have a look at the last three seasons and rookies by TOI.

2010-11 (TOI)

  1. Devan Dubnyk 2061
  2. Magnus Paajarvi 1231
  3. Jordan Eberle 1220
  4. Taylor Hall 1184
  5. Linus Omark 783
  6. Jeff Petry 713
  7. Ryan O’Marra 231
  8. Teemu Hartikainen 209
  9. Chris VandeVelde 207
  10. Alex Plante 45

I count four charter members of the 2010′s cluster (Hall, Eberle, Petry, Dubnyk) and Paajarvi is trending nicely which would make five. Hall is the alpha here, but the list is so strong and impressive one doubts we’ll see a list anywhere close to this group. Incredible one-season rookie cluster.

11-12 Rookies (TOI)

  1. Corey Potter 1237
  2. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1091
  3. Anton Lander 594
  4. Lennart Petrell 578
  5. Colten Teubert 303
  6. Teemu Hartikainen 221
  7. Ryan O’Marra 67
  8. Chris VandeVelde 49
  9. Alex Plante 32
  10. Phil Cornet 21
  11. Milan Kytnar 5

Fades in comparison to 2010, but the Nuge is part of the young cluster and Lander has a chance to join him. The NHL doesn’t count Potter and Petrell as rookies, but their rookie rules are anti-Euro and anti-AHL so I include them anyway.

12-13 Rookies (TOI)

  1. Justin Schultz 1029
  2. Nail Yakupov 699
  3. Chris VandeVelde 77
  4. Mark Arcobello

A nice duo there, Yakupov is going to be an incredible offensive player. From the three years above, I think the Oilers have 8 legit bullet for their 23 man roster over the rest of the decade. That’s a very nice group, and the high end (Hall, Nuge, Yak City, Ebs, J Schultz) is 5 strong. A nice cluster.

2013-14 ROOKIE ELIGIBLES

  1. D Anton Belov: Russian is on a two-way deal but will get every chance to make the big league club. Puck moving skills and mobility may mean the coach likes him more than an established veteran like Schultz the elder, or he could have a terrible camp and never be heard from again.
  2. L Ryan Hamilton: Big winger, knows the coach and has an interesting and strong minor league track record. This guy may end up playing in the NHL for an extended period this coming season. Smyth injury would be the mostly likely route.
  3. D Oscar Klefbom: Strong arrows everwhere, an NHL skater and the GM feels he can compete for a big league job this fall. I rank him here because even if the Oilers send him down one suspects he’ll be called up as soon as he’s ready.
  4. C Mark Arcobello: Oilers remain razor thin at C and he could get a call if Nuge/Gagner get hurt. As a matter of fact, he could start the season with the Oilers if the Nuge isn’t ready to start the season.
  5. R Taylor Fedun: A RH shot so he has a little better chance than most of these guys, Fedun’s improvement over the season is also a strong arrow.
  6. D Martin Marincin: He’s behind Belov on the list of LH puck movers. Marincin is a big, strong offensive defenseman with developing defensive ability. He’d be a callup candidate if the club is looking for a LH mobile D (if Belov falls apart).
  7. L Toni Rajala: Unlikely to play major minutes this season, Rajala had a strong AHL debut and will certainly be on the radar. With Ryan Jones signing and Ryan Smyth already on the NHL roster, there’s a window for Rajala.
  8. C Andrew Miller: Something of an unknown, I could be underrating him here but he’s hard to slot since we have no real book 0n him. The window is open.
  9. R Tyler Pitlick: He’s been quite lucky so far this summer, the Oilers haven’t improved RW much (the Jones signing leaves a window open) and if he can stay healthy while posting something resembling offense there’s a chance.
  10. C Will Acton: Makes the list only because the club has a weak C depth chart. Doesn’t have the bat for the NHL.
  11. L Kale Kessy: Unique skill set gives him a chance.

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112 Responses to "THE ROOKIES!"

  1. Woodguy says:

    MacT is building nice depth in the D and among the wings.

    C depth is ok but they are one shy of an NHL team and many would like an upgrade at 2C to a vet (like Grabbo) . RNH, Gagner,.Gordon…………Lander Acton Arcobello

    With all this depth can this finally mean that:

    THE OILERS ARE DONE DEVELOPING PLAYERS AT THE NHL LEVEL??!???!!!!????

    For the love of all things good and beautiful, only 1-2 rookies a year, and not above the 4th line or 3rd pairing unless they legitimately pass the guy ahead of them………please?

    Please?

  2. eastcoastoil says:

    Hey LT,
    It’s interesting looking at the ice time given to the fab 5. Corey Potter had more ice time than Nuge, another close one would be Lander in 11-12 compared to Yak in 12-13.

    Side note, is it possible that MacT is going to surprise us all with Belov. I haven’t seen a really detailed breakdown of how he compares. I have seen him listed as light as 181 to a big 216. Any chance on doing a thorough breakdown or has one been done?

    Thanks LT, and thanks for cranking out the material so far…

  3. Woodguy says:

    I like the fact that the only rookie with a “lock” on a roster spot is Belov.

    Will be 27 years old, 6’3″, 195lbs, Russian World Championship player.

    That’s a rookie you don’t look sideways at management for employing without an audition.

  4. eastcoastoil says:

    Woodguy,

    WG, where are you grabbing that info from, is there more stats available?

  5. Lowetide says:

    ECO

    http://en.khl.ru/players/10176/

    Lots there, TOI etc.

  6. cabbiesmacker says:

    Woodguy:

    For the love of all things good and beautiful, only 1-2 rookies a year, and not above the 4th line or 3rd pairing unless they legitimately pass the guy ahead of them………please?

    Please?

    Oh great. Just when we thought the Oiler’s had the Chicago rebuild down pat you wanna flip it for Detroits.

    Some mother’s kids. I tell ya.

  7. cabbiesmacker says:

    Talk of the Oilers “graduating” rookies to the NHL reminds me of Ron White’s early standup schtick.

    “Hey, I was quite happy being a rookie in the AHL…..They.. THREW me into the NHL.”

  8. Oil In Enemy Territory says:

    Missed the earlier post so decided to put my thoughts from the development camp up now;

    Gustafsson, Yakimov and Ewanyk looked suprisingly great to me.

    Klefbom, Nurse, Simpson, Bunz, McCarron, Chase, Zharkov and Roy all stood out to a lesser extent.

  9. Manitoba Oilers says:

    LT what would your lines and parings be for Olympic team Canada

  10. sumaclab says:

    Runt in runt out. I blow Potter out the door and replace him with Fedun if he performs ala preinjury. Potter is a Smurf. Still remember him walking away from an invitation from Hartnell. Get rid of the bum.

  11. DeadmanWaking says:

    Tambi’s fatal flaw is that he was tweener blind. Anyone outperforming in the AHL was automatically good enough for the NHL. We came to know and love the tweener tier as the Belanger triangle. MacT summarized this nicely with his phrase about players where “the best you can hope for is to not be noticed”. Maybe that was also a comment on Tambi’s management style. \

    Shepherding players across the tweener divide is a rate limiting step in organizations built to succeed. There’s no quick correction for this when the big club is sucking wind. Jones is at least better than a new egg before his time, and better to have Jones penciled in in July than expose yourself to tactical pricing in skimpy September. I didn’t see this as a rookie move. The rookie move is to continue flipping chips to try to bluff through being caught out on the wrong side of pot odds. Taking your lumps on the fold instead of the call is the rookie mistake of a fast learner. One of the skills in poker is knowing whether the table will generation action. All the old timers at the table are doing everything in their power to help you get this wrong. Until you figure out how to retaliate nickel by nickel for the small price they pay for messing with your mind by doing the opposite of what they suspect you anticipate, that situation is unlikely to change. First step is to identify the player who can least afford to bleed those nickels and pressure him to where he begins to defend himself against how the others are pressuring you. He’ll turn his attention toward the next person who can least afford to bleed nickels in the larger game of group psi-ops.

    It has always amazed me how discipline tends to flow up the ladder rung by rung. There’s no way to step on someone’s fingers without drawing a straight line to where you keep your junk.

  12. Lowetide says:

    Manitoba Oilers:
    LT what would your lines and parings be for Olympic team Canada

    Man, I don’t know. Too early. Hall’s makes my team though.

  13. Manitoba Oilers says:

    Lowetide,

    What about Nuge and Ebs?

  14. Lowetide says:

    Manitoba Oilers:
    Lowetide,

    What about Nuge and Ebs?

    Have to wait and see. Eberle had a big year in 11-12, Hall this past season. A lot of emphasis is placed on recent success. Also, imo more quality RW’s than LW’s in the NHL.

  15. spoiler says:

    Woodguy:
    I like the fact that the only rookie with a “lock” on a roster spot is Belov.

    Will be 27 years old, 6’3″, 195lbs, Russian World Championship player.

    That’s a rookie you don’t look sideways at management for employing without an audition.

    I have Jan Hejda like hopes for Belov. I think he will be a big surprise and the question will be trust and comfort and will the coach feed him TOI (remember MacT didn’t with Hejda).

  16. Manitoba Oilers says:

    Agreed I think Eberle will make even if he is having a bad season just because he is clutch
    And nuge if he bounces back quickly after his injury he should also have a spot

  17. Lowetide says:

    One of the reasons for no Paul Ranger MAY be the Belov. Not certain of course, but he appears to be a player of some import in the organization. MacT has mentioned him many times as a part of the NHL solution this fall.

  18. Ducey says:

    sumaclab:
    Runt in runt out. I blow Potter out the door and replace him with Fedun if he performs ala preinjury. Potter is a Smurf. Still remember him walking away from an invitation from Hartnell. Get rid of the bum.

    Thanks for that useful analysis.

    BTW 6’3″ 210 isn’t a smurf.

  19. Ducey says:

    Jesse J is almost a rookie, and would be a huge add if he turns into a player.

  20. DBO says:

    Lowetide,

    I think it may be Schulz Sr. and not Belov. I wonder if they plan on moving out Schultz the elder to fill another hole. And if they do not get Coburn, Ranger becomes the defacto depth LD with the potential to surprise.

    Schultz for Ruutu. Sign Ranger. Sign Penner. Get a depth vet Centre. Go to the beach and chill.

  21. bookje says:

    sumaclab:
    Runt in runt out. I blow Potter out the door and replace him with Fedun if he performs ala preinjury. Potter is a Smurf. Still remember him walking away from an invitation from Hartnell. Get rid of the bum.

    His Bum/60 is 7.42, whereas Feduns is 8.24. Hartnell’s is 11.42 so I don’t understand how you call Potter the bum when talking about those three players.

  22. SinceTheWHADays says:

    Manitoba Oilers,

    Are your trying to say that Nuge is one of the five best C’s in all of Canada? I don’t think so.

  23. 42 percent body fat says:

    Woodguy,

    WG,

    upgrading number two center to a vet? Gagner has played more NHL games than Grabovski.

  24. Manitoba Oilers says:

    SinceTheWHADays,

    If he played like Hall did in his third season he will be on that team

  25. 42 percent body fat says:

    Neither Eberle or Nuge will make team Canada. They are good players but there are bigger stronger players with just as much skill as them and a more rounded two way game. We all complain about size on the oilers, and how hard it is to get skill and size. Well that is one problem Canada doesnt have.

    Stamkos Crosby Carter
    Stall Getlzaf Perry
    Richards Toews Nash
    Hall Tavares Benn
    Bergeron (marleau, thornton, neal)

    Dont see how Eberle or Nuge make this team. Please also dont say Eberle has the clutch. He was a post draft player one year and a overager the next those two years in the WJC playing with Tavares one year and hall the next. The dominance should be there. He is good but at an elite level dont expect him to be clutch. In fact if he some how made the team he likely wouldnt see any ice time that would give him the oppurtunity to be clutch. So it is moot.

  26. sliderule says:

    42 percent body fat,

    Where iis the Olympics being played?

    Oh it’s Sochi and on Olympic ice.

    If the team you have picked is there we will finish outside medals.

    Slow players like Getszlaf Benn and Richards are why we don’t win worlds or Olympics

  27. sliderule says:

    Oil In Enemy Territory,

    Thanks for the information

    Always loved dev camp.

  28. 42 percent body fat says:

    sliderule,

    sorry what kind of measurements do you have that state that nuge and eberle are faster players than benn getzlaf and Richards. Just because they are big does not mean they are slow. Richards isnt even that big. Oh and the big ice surface is more of a reason why to make sure we have good defensive players also. Nuge has the future of being good defensively but will get killed against elite levels of play. And eberle may generate a lot of scoring chances for but he also bleeds them against. How has our team of Eberles, Nuges, and other small so called skilled forwards faired in the World Championships lately.

    Come on guys I love the oilers as much as the next guy but lets please put our love affairs away. Taylor Hall is currently the only oiler capable of playing at that level for Canada.

  29. 42 percent body fat says:

    sliderule,

    in fact its kind of funny, as pre draft Eberle was knocked for his foot speed, and nuge was called average.

    Small does not equal fast.

  30. sliderule says:

    42 percent body fat,

    Hey I am not even saying that Nuge or Ebs should replace those guys.

    What I am saying is that our world and Olympic teams seem to think the game will be played in an NHL bullring.

    The players with size and skating like Nash will be fine.The Benns and Getzlafs not.

  31. SinceTheWHADays says:

    42 percent body fat,

    Exactly. I just didn’t want to type all that out.

  32. 42 percent body fat says:

    sliderule,

    fair enough, i was just stating with all those guys ahead of them there is no way they make the team. Those guys are the incumbents and will be given the benefit of the doubt. Tavares and Hall are on the team even though they werent there last time.

    Ducshene Couture and B Richards are all ahead of nuge at the moment and unless pending a 90pt campaign Nuge will not pass them.

    St. Louis, Giroux, and Neal are also ahead of Eberle.

  33. Rebilled says:

    D1: Smid-Petry
    D2: Ference-J Schultz
    D3: N Schultz-Larsen
    EX: Belov, Potter

    EX2: Klefbom, Marincin

    Is Nurse not a rookie eligible?

  34. Manitoba Oilers says:

    42 percent body fat,

    Carter getzlaf Richards Thornton and marleau will not be on team canada we need quicker skilled players to win on international ice

  35. Captain Happy says:

    The Canadian Olympic team will be dominated by players who play centre in the NHL.

    Crosby

    Stamkos

    Giroux

    Toews

    Tavares

    Duchene

    Couture

    Carter

    Bergeron

    Richards

    I would think Patrick Kane, Andrew Ladd, Corey Perry and Taylor Hall will get a good look as wingers but there won’t be much room at the inn.

  36. Manitoba Oilers says:

    Captain Happy,

    Captain Happy:
    The Canadian Olympic team will be dominated by players who play centre in the NHL.

    Crosby

    Stamkos

    Giroux

    Toews

    Tavares

    Duchene

    Couture no

    Carter hell no

    Bergeron maybe

    Richards no

    I would think Patrick Kane, Andrew Ladd, Corey Perry and Taylor Hall will get a good look as wingers but there won’t be much room at the inn.

    Patrick Kane is American

  37. Lowetide says:

    Definitely Patrick Kane needs to be there for Canada. Will throw the Americans completely off their game.

  38. sliderule says:

    Captain Happy,

    I don’t know about Couture or Carter but the rest probably will be on top nine list.

  39. "Steve Smith" says:

    Captain Happy: I would think Patrick Kane, Andrew Ladd, Corey Perry and Taylor Hall will get a good look as wingers but there won’t be much room at the inn.

    Hall but not Eberle? I have it on good authority that nobody doubts that Eberle’s the best of the Oilers’ kids, and that it’s not even close.

  40. "Steve Smith" says:

    Lowetide,

    Personally, I’d like to see him on a line with Ovechkin and Ovechkin.

  41. 42 percent body fat says:

    Captain Happy,

    patrick Kane is not Canadian. Perry is a former MVP and does everything. He is on the team. And therefore Getzlaf is on the team by default. Carter is not a slow player. Throntons age is getting up there and he has a sense of being slow, however Crosby and St. Louis have both said at top speed Thornton is one of the fastest players in the league. (I dont think he makes it though)

    Our fast, skilled teams have been getting slaughtered at the world championships. Send experience, skill and talent. All else being equal send the size. ex, Perry is bigger, more physical, better goal scorer, better agitator, and better PK, and better Face off fill in than Eberle. Probably a faster skater also. Eberle is a better stick handler. So who do you take?

    Tavares is a terrible skater, yet I think we all agree he will be there because he is one of the best.

  42. Manitoba Oilers says:

    sliderule,

    Richards will not be top 9 to inconsistent

  43. 42 percent body fat says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    I dont know what team you are watching but Eberle isnt even near the same class Hall is in.

  44. 42 percent body fat says:

    Manitoba Oilers,
    richard toews and nash were perhaps the best all time shut down line in international play in recent memory. They will play again together to stop the other teams best line. Its not about Richards scoring its about his intangibles and defensive play.

  45. Lois Lowe says:

    Wow, Gregor just dropped the F(ogolin)-bomb in his latest article about Ference. Talk about creating expectations!

  46. Lowetide says:

    Well, I think we can agree Penner.

  47. Woodguy says:

    42 percent body fat:
    Woodguy,

    WG,

    upgrading number two center to a vet?Gagner has played more NHL games than Grabovski.

    Grabbo is 5 years older, and has 126 pro games outside of the NHL as well.

    Good point though.

    I like Grabbo because he has a history of playing a more complete game and that 2nd line can’t bleed like a hemophiliac at an abattoir anymore if the team is to compete at a higher level.

  48. Manitoba Oilers says:

    It’s international I’ve it’s all about scoring we do not beed defensive one dimensional players when
    you have the best defence men in the world behind you

  49. Captain Happy says:

    Manitoba Oilers:
    Captain Happy,

    Patrick Kane is American

    You could replace him with Dustin Penner.

    Has anyone thought of Penner recently?

    In any event, that team will be stacked.

  50. "Steve Smith" says:

    42 percent body fat:
    “Steve Smith”,

    I dont know what team you are watching but Eberle isnt even near the same class Hall is in.

    So is what you’re saying that anyone who would make the claim that I just did either has no idea what he is talking about or, much more probably, is completely disingenuous?

  51. Woodguy says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Wow, Gregor just dropped the F(ogolin)-bomb in his latest article about Ference. Talk about creating expectations!

    Except Lee was 32 when he retired and Ference is 34 when he arrives here.

    I don’t mind the comparison actually.

    Everyone I’ve heard talk about him speaks very highly of his work ethic, nutrition, fitness, personality, etc.

    He can be someone for the whole team to look up to an emulate.

    I think he was a good choice.

  52. "Steve Smith" says:

    Woodguy,

    I’ve been as critical as anybody about the Ference signing, but this helps, even if he does look kind of hipster-y.

    (N.B. I have no idea what a “hipster” is, but as far as I can tell neither does anybody else.)

  53. cabbiesmacker says:

    Manitoba Oilers:
    It’s international I’ve it’s all about scoring we do not beed defensive one dimensional players when
    you have the best defence men in the world behind you

    You know there have been remarkable advances with Dyslexia these days dude.

    Oh NM….I guzzled a quart of scotch and it all fits now.

    As you were.

  54. cabbiesmacker says:

    Woodguy: Except Lee was 32 when he retired and Ference is 34 when he arrives here.

    I don’t mind the comparison actually.

    Everyone I’ve heard talk about him speaks very highly of his work ethic, nutrition, fitness, personality, etc.

    He can be someone for the whole team to look up to an emulate.

    I think he was a good choice.

    Plus we get to refer to a player as “the Okotoker” so that’s pretty darn cool.

    Throw in the advanced dental care the kids will be getting now. Huge reason to sign the guy right there.

  55. Manitoba Oilers says:

    Stamkos-Crosby-Perry
    Tavares-Giroux-Nash
    E.Stall-Toews-Seguin
    Hall-RNH-Eberle
    Extras-Kane-Bergeron-Neal

    Weber-Doughty
    Keith-Letang
    Pietrangelo-Subban
    Seabrook-Phaneuf

    Price
    Luongo
    Ward

  56. "Steve Smith" says:

    Manitoba Oilers: Hall-RNH-Eberle

    Not that there’s necessarily anything wrong with this, but your acute homer-ism is impairing your judgement to the point that it’s embarrassing.

  57. fifthcartel says:

    Stauffer was talking up Penner fon 630 Ched this afternoon for the little bit I was listening to. Although, that probably has to do more with there being absolutely nothing new to talk about on air.

  58. Captain Happy says:

    Manitoba Oilers,

    Matt Duchene, Jason Spezza and Nazem Kadri just called.

    They would like to speak to you about your 4th line.

  59. Manitoba Oilers says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    Hall will be there but RNH is a homer pick but I do think Eberle and Hall make RNH is just hopefully there he would instantly be the best passer on the team

  60. Manitoba Oilers says:

    Captain Happy,

    I hung up on Kadri and Spezza

  61. Rebilled says:

    Didn’t MacT strongly dislike Penner?

    Isn’t he the GM now?

  62. "Steve Smith" says:

    Rebilled,

    Why would you just bring up Dustin Penner, out of the blue and with no context, like that?

  63. Captain Happy says:

    Manitoba Oilers:
    Captain Happy,

    I hung up on Kadri and Spezza

    Spezza wants to talk to you about his 84 point season in 11/12.

    Kadri is just lonely but he did outscore Eberle 44-37 last season.

  64. Manitoba Oilers says:

    Captain Happy,

    Spezza did not play good last year and Kadri played on a playoff team

  65. SpotTheLoon says:

    Change of topic here but I was wondering what others think of what has been going on with all the media speculation swirling around Seguin. The trade to Dallas, the rumours of showing up to playoff games with the same clothes on three days in a row, the partying . . . I understand he is only 21 and we all liked to have a good time at that age (some of us still do). Is it a phase or might we be seeing Derek Sanderson 2.0

  66. Lowetide says:

    Spot the Loon: I think you hope for the best, and Dallas might be a good spot for him but the young man badly needs to lose some bad influences during the flight based on what we hear and read.

  67. Ca$h-Money! says:

    Captain Happy,

    Duchenne: 266GP, 193pts, -30

    Hall: 171GP, 145pts, -7

    I agree with a lot of your list, but Duchenne is a much bigger longshot than Hall.

  68. SpotTheLoon says:

    Lowetide,

    I certainly hope for the best for the guy. But having spent quite a bit of time in Dallas, it is certainly a party town. That said, the media doesn’t cover things to the same extent there. But I agree that he needs some new influences in his life. From the comments made by his parents, it doesn’t appear that they are helping the matter.

    I hope things improve for him and he gets back on track.

  69. Captain Happy says:

    Manitoba Oilers:
    Captain Happy,

    Spezza did not play good last year and Kadri played on a playoff team

    Spezza only played 5 games last year due to injury (although he did score 5 points in those 5 games)

    Kadri is being disqualified for being successful?

  70. Captain Happy says:

    Ca$h-Money!:
    Captain Happy,

    Duchenne: 266GP, 193pts, -30

    Hall: 171GP, 145pts, -7

    I agree with a lot of your list, but Duchenne is a much bigger longshot than Hall.

    Oh, I think Hall will likely make the team but I would expect, if it came down to Duchene or Hopkins, Duchene would make it hands down.

  71. Manitoba Oilers says:

    Captain Happy,

    Fair enough but I am not a big spezza fan he does have the skill set to play for the team four the question is will he be available to play
    He also did not play good in the Swiss league

  72. rickithebear says:

    The guy said to be the khl’s best dman. who is 6’3.6″ 213 lb. would not be a surprise.

    The young man who is 6’3″ 215 lb WJC all star.
    Lead the 3rd best league in the world in +/- at time of injury.

    putting J. schultz a -38 GD 3rd comp Dman in front of these two is idiocy.

    Minus (you miss the playoffs cause of me) 38.
    MInus (i draged a 2nd comp d man down by -20) 38
    Minus 38.

    Of all the unknown. J.schultz is it.
    it is, not know if he will ever have playoff caliber defence.

    Of coarse none of you guys are euro biased.

  73. Магия¹º says:

    The only thing more shocking than the minute attention that Penner gets on this blog is the hours of radio in Edmonton today that studiously avoided any mention of Dustin.

  74. Captain Happy says:

    rickithebear,

    Manuel…I don’t know how many times I’ve told you…don’t mention the war.

    (Or Jack Johnson)

  75. OilClog says:

    Who is this Dustin Penner? Does anyone have any statistical history for Dustin Penner that would merit a contract?

    I’m intrigued..

    I would say Hall makes the team, Ebs might get in there with his non stop commitment to Team Canada. RNH will probably take the time off to rest the shoulder for the playoffs.. PLAYOFFS?!?

  76. lance says:

    rickithebear,

    I think you’re talking about Belov and ?? being better than Jultz for +/-.

    There seem a significant number of variables. Maybe quantifiable with +/-, maybe not.

    Since there is no regular season to the Olympics, DP at L2 would likely be off all charts.

  77. Captain Happy says:

    Manitoba Oilers:
    Captain Happy,

    Fair enough but I am not a big spezza fan he does have the skill set to play for the team four the question is will he be available to play
    He also did not play good in the Swiss league

    He did not play so good he scored 30 points in 28 games in the Swiss league.

    Sam Gagner only scored 20 points in the Austrian league.

  78. fifthcartel says:

    I get the feeling Belov is going to turn a few heads.

  79. Manitoba Oilers says:

    Captain Happy,

    The swiss league I already know gagner is not team canada caliber same as spezza I think we can find find players with a more unique skill set

  80. Lucinius says:

    I’d actually expect Eberle to get a better chance at the Olympics than Hall given how the two are regarded by Hockey Canada. Remember, Hockey Canada doesn’t exactly pick the best or most suitable players, but the best players of those that they like.

  81. Captain Happy says:

    Manitoba Oilers:
    Captain Happy,

    The swiss league I already know gagner is not team canada caliber same as spezza I think we can find find players with a more unique skill set

    Spezza scored 90 points in the NHL when he was 21.

    He’s 6’3″ and 220.

    That’s a pretty unique skill set.

  82. dawgtoy says:

    Магия¹º,

    You didn’t listen very well. Stauffer spoke about Penner at length, I’d actually say the majority of the first hour of his show. Dellow was his guest and he spoke at length as well. He thinks Penner would be a good fit. Of course being home with a sick six year old allowed me more radio time than usual. Check 630 Ched and listen to hour one and the Dellow interview if genuinely interested.

  83. magisterrex says:

    dawgtoy:
    Магия¹º,

    You didn’t listen very well. Stauffer spoke about Penner at length, I’d actually say the majority of the first hour of his show. Dellow was his guest and he spoke at length as well. He thinks Penner would be a good fit. Of course being home with a sick six year old allowed me more radio time than usual. Check 630 Ched and listen to hour one and the Dellow interview if genuinely interested.

    That’s all very good, but what did Richard Cloutier say!

  84. Manitoba Oilers says:

    Captain Happy,

    Ill take a pass on spezza

  85. Manitoba Oilers says:

    magisterrex,

    He says MacT hates Penner

  86. gogliano says:

    Praying for some trade action.
    Edmonton could really use another player with size.
    Next year is the year we
    Need to start shooting for the cup.
    Even Chicago has a big body or two.
    Ready for a real trade already.

    But who should we target?

    Also, I’m totally stoked “Steve Smith” figured out how to quote old posts.

  87. Lowetide says:

    Manitoba Oilers:
    magisterrex,

    He says MacT hates Penner

    I bet he hates losing more. I don’t believe Penner is coming to Edmonton though. I’d be thrilled if it happened, however. Keep Hemsky too!

  88. Manitoba Oilers says:

    Lowetide,

    I would love to keep Hemsky if he could at least stay health but only as a 3rd rw

  89. FPB94 says:

    How is Rajala so low ?

    Kid is 22 and got 1st round pick type production in the minors. He was lightyears ahead of CVV and doing a lot better than Paajarvi. I gotta believe there’s a spot for this gy.

  90. Joel Pepin says:

    Manitoba Oilers,

    A 3rd line of Gordon-Penner-Hemsky could be nice…
    A 3rd line of Grabo-Penner-Hemsky (with Gordon on the 4th line / hardmatching line) would be even nicer.

    With the current roster as-is, I wouldn’t bet on a 2014 post-season. I will be tremendously underwhelmed if we don’t bring in some considerable upgrade to either 2LW, 2C or top 2 D

  91. bookje says:

    Lowetide: I bet he hates losing more. I don’t believe Penner is coming to Edmonton though. I’d be thrilled if it happened, however. Keep Hemsky too!

    I bet he hates losing more counts a lot here I think. As a GM, I think MacT may reflect on the decisions he made as coach and not fully agree with all of them. He may also think that a Dustin Penner who is a few years older may come in with something to prove. If he is interested, he can always have the conversation with Dustin. As for Penner not coming to Edmonton, I don’t know if he would hold a grudge. He indicated that he really liked playing in the city (and seemed to mean it) and he may not have enjoyed his time in LA as much as he would have expected. I can see him looking favorably on a 2 year contract that gives him a chance to play with some awesome talent in a City he is familiar with.

  92. "Steve Smith" says:

    bookje: As a GM, I think MacT may reflect on the decisions he made as coach and not fully agree with all of them.

    That’s probably a fair bet. I don’t know any intelligent people who look back on the decisions they made five years ago without thinking that a fair few of them were pretty stupid. I don’t share LT’s overall enthusiasm for MacTavish, but I think he’s definitely an intelligent person.

    That doesn’t mean he’d entertain signing Penner, mind you; it might just mean that he’d keep Smid on the blue, or maybe rely less on Tobey Petersen and Liam Reddox for their scoring prowess.

  93. Manitoba Oilers says:

    Joel Pepin,

    I would like Gordon on the fourth but we paid him to much money

  94. Young Oil says:

    I really hope Eakins will be very open minded come training camp, and will give guys like Klefbom and Belov a fair look to make the team. I would definitely prefer Klefbom starting in the AHL, but if he shines in training camp and preseason, he deserves a chance. He was very clear on his goal being making the team.

    For the first time in years though, I am much more worried about our forwards than defence, especially the depth. I loved the idea of signing Hamilton, a guy who has put up good numbers in the AHL with size, who could be a 4th line call up (I would say that he is likely an upgrade on Smyth, we will see in training camp). Here are some more guys under 25 who have put up decent numbers in the AHL who I would be very happy if we attempted to sign to a ~$1M, on a two way contract (If they are RFA, either try to sign them, or trade a late pick for them!)

    Riley Holzapfel: 6’0”, 200lb 24 year old C. 51 points and 93 PIM in 76 games last year. RFA of PIT.

    Kyle Beach: 6’3” 210lb 23 year old LW. 26 points and 204 PIM in 66 games. RFA of CHI.

    Spencer Machacek: 6’1” 195lb 24 year old RW. 14 points in the final 18 AHL games last season. 9 points in 13 games in the NHL a year before. RFA of CBJ.

    Darren Archibald: 6’3” 213lb 23 year old RW. 22 points and47 PIM in 55 AHL games last year. RFA of VAN.

    Nick Palmeri: 6’3” 230lb 23 year old RW. 25 points in 87 NHL games. TSN says RFA of NYR, capgeek says UFA.

    I think Palmeri is the best option (especially if he is a UFA, not sure if he is though), adds some great size.

    Also, MacT said he didn’t want to sign any RFA offer sheets, but there are so many quality options to choose from to add depth at all positions, especially in cap constrained teams…

    Andersson/Nyquist/Smith from Detroit, Kruger from Chicago, Tanev from Vancouver, Gustafsson from Philly, Clifford/Muzzin from LA, Boedker/Rundblad from Phoenix…there’s got to be a deal there to get at least one of those players for prospects/draft picks.

  95. G Money says:

    I do not know this “Penner” of whom you all speak, but based on my readings here, I understand that he is a giant Brontosauraus-shaped lardass with underrated backchecking capability and soft hands.

    I did not initially want him on the team but you all have convinced me, BUT … only on the following conditions:

    - Since he’s going to play 2LW, pay him like a 2LW – say $3M a year
    - Since he’ll turn into a sluggish carb-addicted mofo first chance he gets, follow Boston’s Iginla lead: $500K in base salary, with $2M in points-scored bonuses, and another $0.5M if he’s a plus player at the end of the year.

    That kind of coin will buy a LOT of sweetened baked breakfast goods, not to mention gallons of off season barley juice. If that won’t get him going, nothing will.

  96. rickithebear says:

    lance:
    rickithebear,

    I think you’re talking about Belov and ?? being better than Jultz for +/-.

    There seem a significant number of variables.Maybe quantifiable with +/-, maybe not.

    Yes i would like to believe the two elite ero league dmen. would be better than the leagues worst EV and Pk dman.

  97. Chris says:

    Not that I want to limit my comments to sniping at irritating and oft repeated comments, but aside from not wanting to hear any more stupid trade proposals for Couturier can we cease this non-sense about wanting to play Boyd Gordon on the fourth line? The guy has played the last two years as a thrid line centre in Phoenix and if you checked the standings they happened to be a better team than we were.

    Boyd Gordon is essentially a younger, healthier version of Horcoff he’ll be more than servicable as our third line centre. Yes we should get a fourth line centre though, I’m in favour of David Steckle. He’s useful and cheap as borche. Just over a million bucks. Or bring back Marty Reasoner.

  98. VOR says:

    young oil,

    If you are doing that exercise the guy you want is Dustin Jeffrey a Pittsburgh RFA. He doesn’t hit, he doesn’t take penalties, and doesn’t fight. Why him, he generates an amazing amount of offence at every level he has played at. Jeffrey can’t shoot, can’t skate but gets his goals by working his ass off in the hard areas of the ice and fore checking like his life depended on it. In other words if you want to prove to your young team you are serious about work ethic Jefrrey is the guy. His background is in many ways a near perfect match for another Sault St. Marie Greyhound, Charlie Simmer.

  99. Chris says:

    Also while we’ve been mooting Penner Part Deux, have we considered Mason Raymond as a second or third line left wing? Conchrane kid who can skate, and score a little. He’s not going to be terribly expensive either. He’s not really big, but he’s not small either at six feet 185.

  100. BONVIE says:

    42 percent body fat,

    Dude Richards has always lacked in the skating department but now that he is in his mid Thirties and hes lost a few more steps it really shows. Richards couldn’t make NewYorks lineup through the playoffs do you rally think he will make an Olympic team?

  101. Joel Pepin says:

    CHRIS,

    I can’t speak for others, but I keep hoping Gordon gets bumped to the 4th line because I don’t think he is significantly better than Horcoff (even if he is younger and cheaper). If our team is younger and cheaper next year, but not markedly better, we’ll obviously be missing the playoffs again.

    When I’m blueskying about Gordon on the 4th line… That’s me hoping on some level that this miserable team may actually be good enough some year to make it to the post season.

    (same as I still hope Fence isn’t the best D-man we sign this off-season)

    I cheer for the Oilers… I need some hope before training camp.

  102. BONVIE says:

    Captain Happy,

    I agree especially if he is not at training camp. We seen it in other years if their is doubts such as coming of an injury than someone else will get that spot, just too many great players to pick from and you have to know that they will have a Toewes or Bergeron type player. They always have some two way players.

  103. Rebilled says:

    BONVIE,

    Agreed on Richards not making that team, unless he gets pounded by gamma rays in the offseason and has a green tan for NY’s training camp.

  104. Woodguy says:

    Rebilled:
    BONVIE,

    Agreed on Richards not making that team, unless he gets pounded by gamma rays in the offseason and has a green tan for NY’s training camp.

    When talking about “Richards for Team Canada”, isn’t the topic Mike Richards and not Brad Richards?

  105. russ99 says:

    Did anyone else think Kessy looked overweight and/or slow in development camp?

    That with Moroz’s injury leads me to believe that we won’t see early dividends in Tambi’s “Lucic hunt”.

    If we punt Hemsky and bring back Penner, I’ll be super-upset on general principal alone, much less how that would weaken the roster.

  106. Магия¹º says:

    dawgtoy:
    Магия¹º,

    You didn’t listen very well. Stauffer spoke about Penner at length, I’d actually say the majority of the first hour of his show. Dellow was his guest and he spoke at length as well. He thinks Penner would be a good fit. Of course being home with a sick six year old allowed me more radio time than usual. Check 630 Ched and listen to hour one and the Dellow interview if genuinely interested.

    And Gregor and Tencer and the ched poll of the day. I was concerned that ckua had countless hours with no mention of Penner.

    The other concern is why no one on this blog ever mentions Tom Gilbert. Probably for great Stauffer and Gregor and Fencer will never stop.

  107. hags9k says:

    For fun…

    Crosby – Tavares – Stamkos
    Toews – Hall – Eberle
    Getzlaf – Giroux – Perry
    Staal – Nash – Bergeron
    M.Richards, Thornton.

    Keith – Seabrook
    Doughty – Weber
    Staal – Pietrangelo
    Letang

    Price
    Luongo
    Ward/Fleury/Crawford

    Big season coming up for Canadian goalies!

  108. Professor Q says:

    I know it is a bit late and may seem finicky, but Fedun should be listed as a ‘D’ rather than an ‘R’.

  109. Professor Q says:

    hags9k,

    Which Staal? ;)

  110. Lewis Grant says:

    Chris: can we cease this non-sense about wanting to play Boyd Gordon on the fourth line? The guy has played the last two years as a thrid line centre in Phoenix and if you checked the standings they happened to be a better team than we were.

    Wasn’t Eric Belanger Phoenix’s second-line center when we signed him? (He had scored ~35 points for about six consecutive seasons.) Now he’s not good enough to be our fourth-line center.

    I agree that you don’t pay a guy $3M to be your fourth-line center, but we’d have a lot more depth with him slotted there, especially when the shoulder injuries start up. (We already know RNH will miss the first part of the season.)

  111. hags9k says:

    Professor Q,

    Eric.

  112. Rebilled says:

    Woodguy,

    that would make more sense.

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