WELCOME PHILIP LARSEN

The major part of the return in the Horcoff trade is cap room–the Oilers don’t have to take on any of the cap dollars on the Horcoff contract. That’s a big deal–especially if they’re big game hunting as is rumored (and as we’ve discussed) today.

The 7th rd pick in the deal is a distant bell–no check that–it’s a distant ringing in the ears. Philip Larsen? Well, he could end up being useful.

The Hockey News: Has excellent hockey sense, moves puck quickly and smoothly out of the defensive zone and has some offensive ability. Needs to add more strength so as to better adapt to the more physical style of the NHL game, since he’s undersized. He is a mobile puck moving defenseman with some upside.

He’s 23, from the 2008 draft and has been a regular (or so) in the NHL for three seasons (95, 5-14-19). This past season was a train wreck, but going back to the last full NHL season there seems to be the possibility of an NHL player:

larsen1Look, I don’t think he’s going to be much of a factor beyond causing Corey Potter’s sphincter to tighten–and that’s something to consider since the new GM brought this guy in–but it’s a depth move.

The 7th is less than that.

The key? The cap relief. What MacT does with that money will be the judge of this deal.

We wait.

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  1. justDOit says:

    Thought this was going to be titled, “Sale on Horcs”.

  2. theres oil in virginia says:

    I’m thinking Calgary won’t put in claim for Grabovski, since they know they’re entering a rebuild, no need to throw money at a guy like Grabovski right now. I don’t know what Nashville’s outlook is.

  3. PunjabiOil says:

    We wait.

    We’ve been waiting for 7 years now.

    We wait indeed.

  4. "Steve Smith" says:

    justDOit,

    I’m going to give you enough credit to assume that that was a pun.

  5. theres oil in virginia says:

    “He is a mobile puck moving defenseman with some upside.” Something Smid is not. In all seriousness, could Smid be heading out? As part of a Coburn trade? Is he cheap enough for Philly?

  6. Henry says:

    Looks like Larsen played with Souray, who played well for Dallas.

  7. Rondo says:

    Dallas is a better team today.

  8. Henry says:

    If Hemmer has to go, I hope the return is more significant.

  9. Lucinius says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    Good god, man. Don’t even suggest Smid moving out. He’s the best defenseman the Oilers have inside their own zone, and it isn’t even close. You don’t move that kind of player on his kind of deal, imo.

  10. Racki says:

    Said it in another post, but I’ll repeat it here..

    The Oilers now have $24M to work with to sign 7 players. If you subtract Hemsky, that’s $29M for 8 players, or $3.625M per player. That is huge amounts of cap space.

    I would suggest trying to lock up Nuge long term ASAP, to start.. David Staples was talking about this. If you get him for under $6M, that’s great.

    As much as I hate to say it, the Oilers HAVE to overspend to fill their needs, so this gives MacTavish the rope he needs to do just that. Filppula should be one of their immediate targets tomorrow. They might even cosnider claiming Grabovski on waivers instead. As someone else mentioned, we have that compliance buyout left still, so we can use it next year if need be, if we claim Grabber on waivers.

    The fans will hate this, but the team NEEDS to start dropping some serious coin to now fill the needs.

    MacT and co just have to be really smart about who they overspend on. If it’s the perfect fit, it will be worth the deal.

  11. "Steve Smith" says:

    The key in how I feel about Larsen is in how the Oilers feel about him. If they view him as injury depth, I’m fine with his addition. If this means that the Oilers are thinking that they’re set with Smid/Petry, Schultz/Schultz, and Belov/Larsen, then go ahead and shoot me now.

  12. spoiler says:

    LT!

    This deal hasn’t been finalized yet. This post is going to look silly if Larsen is not actually part of the trade.

    The last tweet we have is this one:

    @DarrenDreger:

    Oilers-Stars still working on Horcoff trade. Hearing defenseman Philip Larsen and a 7th to Oil. Could be more going to Dallas. #TSN

    That sounds pretty far from conclusive, unless you know more from other sources.

  13. Maverick says:

    was just listening to “the other station” *cough, cough*

    Stauffer called in to say that Clarkson and his entourage was here and Edmonton has a real chance at him tomorrow. Plus added Gordon as possible targets. The scary one was that Bryzgalov is being considered, not written in stone but possible.

    How does getting Clarkson effect our line ups we have been discussing today??

  14. theres oil in virginia says:

    Lucinius:
    theres oil in virginia,

    Good god, man. Don’t even suggest Smid moving out. He’s the best defenseman the Oilers have inside their own zone, and it isn’t even close. You don’t move that kind of player on his kind of deal, imo.

    I’m not saying I’m in favor of it! Just wondering “aloud” if MacT suggesting we need more mobile puck movers could go all the way to moving Smid for a player more in that mold. I’m also not suggesting that Larson makes Smid expendable.

  15. theres oil in virginia says:

    Maverick,

    What’s scary about Bryzgalov? I think he’d be a good pickup. What a character!

  16. Lowetide says:

    Maverick:
    was just listening to “the other station” *cough, cough*

    Stauffer called in to say that Clarkson and his entourage was here and Edmonton has a real chance at him tomorrow.Plus added Gordon as possible targets.The scary one was that Bryzgalov is being considered, not written in stone but possible.

    How does getting Clarkson effect our line ups we have been discussing today??

    I think it’s going to be hard to include Yakupov on RW and keep him in the top 6.

    Nuge-Hall-Clarkson
    Gagner-Yakupov-Eberle

    Does that work? I don’t like Yak on LW.

  17. Smarmy says:

    RNH longterm at Seguin numbers would be pretty sweet.

  18. spoiler says:

    I’m pretty sure we can now throw far more money at Emery than Philly.

    Do you call Philly and say hey make that Coburn trade or we’re going to throw the bank vault at Emery?

  19. kinger_OIL says:

    Maybe this will give many of our fans a reality check: the reality of just how how bad is this team. Our captain, gets traded for essentially nothing. If he stayed, he was penciled in as the 3rd line center. It will be interesting to see what happens, but keep in mind, our team is worse, today then at the end of the season. A KHL magic bean D is the only player signed. And hoping that a prospect makes the team (which is the case for virtually every team in the league). Waiting for comments on the reflection of just how terrible shape this organization is given what one of the actual bonafide NHL’ers on the roster went for (for sure top-12 player on the OIL last year). I suppose Hemsky gets marginally more than Horcoff. Grabovski anyone? When the new warm bodies circa 2013 come in and tantalize, like Jones, Eager, Belanger, an on and on: it will be the same hope, but maybe this time its different. Oh yeah, replacing a coach with no NHL experience with another coach with no NHL experience, who also presents well: that’s a bold move….

  20. Lucinius says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    I’m very sensitive about the mere idea of trading Smid. Unlike LT, I don’t hate the guy. Also, Smid is actually a very mobile defenseman. He’s not a great puck mover, but I believe a large part of that isn’t any issue of skill, but one of attitude; he constantly defers to his partners about puck moving. When he does decide to do it himself.. he’s average at the outlet pass and is above average at skating it out.

    Its just he’s useless in the offensive zone. His mind seems to go all gooey and cramp at that point.

  21. spoiler says:

    Lowetide: I think it’s going to be hard to include Yakupov on RW and keep him in the top 6.

    Nuge-Hall-Clarkson
    Gagner-Yakupov-Eberle

    Does that work? I don’t like Yak on LW.

    Clarkson can play both sides.

  22. theres oil in virginia says:

    spoiler:
    Do you call Philly and say hey make that Coburn trade or we’re going to throw the bank vault at Emery?

    I hope they would only threaten that and not actually do it.

  23. striatic says:

    Maverick: How does getting Clarkson effect our line ups we have been discussing today??

    i think it means that either he’ll have to play on his off wing, or Yakupov will.

  24. "Steve Smith" says:

    Lucinius:
    theres oil in virginia, Its just he’s useless in the offensive zone. His mind seems to go all gooey and cramp at that point.

    Our GM once played him as a forward.

  25. Lucinius says:

    This is just my opinion, but if Yakupov doesn’t play the RW next season we’re talking about a stupid coaching decision, period. The difference in Yak’s play on LW and RW is startling. The Oilers need a LWer on the second line to go with Gags and Yak, or a second line center to go with Gags on the LW and Yak on the RW.

    You don’t move Yak from that RW spot.

  26. Lucinius says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    Yes, but MacT’s mind is also known to get gooey and cramp from time to time, as well. See; Dustin Penner.

    Personally, I enjoyed Smid’s stint as a winger. It was HILARIOUS.

  27. striatic says:

    spoiler: Clarkson can play both sides.

    if this is the case, then

    Hall, RNH, Eberle
    Clarkson, Gagner, Yakupov

  28. Maverick says:

    Lowetide: I think it’s going to be hard to include Yakupov on RW and keep him in the top 6.

    Nuge-Hall-Clarkson
    Gagner-Yakupov-Eberle

    Does that work? I don’t like Yak on LW.

    I agree, Yakupov at LW doesn’t work. Not sure how it will shake out.

    Maybe the left shooting Yakupov will be trained or schooled or taught on how to play the LW, if not I am not sure how effective he will be.

    As many have now stated that Clarkson can play both wings than it provides more options.

  29. JohnnyRocket says:

    Wikipedia as of a second ago: “Philip Elzer Gade Larsen (born December 7, 1989) is a Danish professional ice hockey defenceman of the Edmonton Oilers of the National Hockey League ”

    Wow. That was fast. Is the trade even official yet?

  30. Ca$h-Money! says:

    kinger_OIL,

    posts like this are why the internet is hilarious.

    Seriously, relax. Free agency officially starts tomorrow and you’ve already written off the new management team. Not only that, you are complaining about the fact that a guy we all considered untraceable 6 months ago actually got moved for a pick (a bad one) and a prospect. 23 year old defenders have upside, especially those that have a few NHL games under their belt. Smid was 23 when he started to look half decent.

    Relax. Judge after the summer (or after next season) but freaking out now is over dramatic. That said, you’ve got lots of company.

  31. theres oil in virginia says:

    Lucinius:
    theres oil in virginia,

    I’m very sensitive about the mere idea of trading Smid. Unlike LT, I don’t hate the guy. Also, Smid is actually a very mobile defenseman. He’s not a great puck mover, but I believe a large part of that isn’t any issue of skill, but one of attitude; he constantly defers to his partners about puck moving. When he does decide to do it himself.. he’s average at the outlet pass and is above average at skating it out.

    Its just he’s useless in the offensive zone. His mind seems to go all gooey and cramp at that point.

    You know, I’m glad you said that. I’ve noticed this with him before, that he’s much better offensively than he thinks he is. He can move the puck, he can shoot the puck, he can join the rush, etc. He just doesn’t think he can, and he’s so afraid to make a mistake “on offense” that he won’t expose himself to any risk. I think it’s because he was brought into the big league too early and it ruined his confidence.

    Also, I like Smid just fine. I liked Gilbert just fine too. After seeing those two guys go from absolute disasters to bona fide NHL defensemen – we suffered the pain, we should see the reward.

  32. Lowetide says:

    spoiler: Clarkson can play both sides.

    True, so maybe

    Nuge-Hall-Eberle
    Gagner-Clarkson-Yakupov

  33. BlacqueJacque says:

    I figured it wasn’t impossible to shed Horcoff’s salary – after all, teams struggling to meet the cap floor are always looking for a guy whose cap hit was high and cost was modest – but this is a better return than I expected (which was “future considerations”).

    MacT had better be in on the Grabovski sweepstakes. Horton would be nice, too.

  34. BlacqueJacque says:

    Lowetide,

    Gagner plays right wing if he plays wing, and I’m sure Nuge is a centre.

  35. russ99 says:

    kinger_OIL,

    This was the plan all along, clear out bad contracts and underperformers and add 7-9 new players.

    Now we’re at the point of adding the players, and we should get something of value for Hemsky, plus that Coburn deal could go through.

    Maverick:
    Stauffer called in to say that Clarkson and his entourage was here and Edmonton has a real chance at him tomorrow.Plus added Gordon as possible targets.The scary one was that Bryzgalov is being considered, not written in stone but possible.

    He also tweeted that we’re in on Ference too.

    That would be a good start. I’m sure we’ll sign some guys for under $2M to get to that 7-9 new player threshold, MacT isn’t going to crazy overpay for all our new additions.

  36. PaperDesigner says:

    You know who’s a better, more proven winger who we could get at a lower price point than David Clarkson? Ales Hemsky.

  37. Lowetide says:

    Ference?

  38. russ99 says:

    Lowetide,

    Actually that was a blog tweet, so maybe not true.

  39. Racki says:

    Lowetide: True, so maybe

    Nuge-Hall-Eberle
    Gagner-Clarkson-Yakupov

    One day I’d love it if you conform with the rest of the hockey world and say your lines as LW-C-RW in the logical order.. lol

    Anyways, that minor beef aside…

    This is a much better choice. I see no reason to have Clarkson on Hall’s line. Hall has enough size to play that kind of role. He isn’t Clarkson’s stature or physicality, no, but that is of no concern.

    Clarkson-Gagner-Yakupov sounds alright, but I still maintain the Oilers should be signing a center for #2 line. Just not sure about Gagner at centre. I sure hope I’m proven wrong though.

    Clarson-Grabovski-Yakupov
    Clarkson-Filppula-Yakupov
    Clarkson-Weiss-Yakupov …

  40. Derek says:

    Lowetide: True, so maybe

    Nuge-Hall-Eberle
    Gagner-Clarkson-Yakupov

    How about…?

    Nuge-Hall-Eberle
    Gagner-Clarkson-Yakupov
    Grabovski-Paajarvi-MacArthur

  41. BlacqueJacque says:

    Derek,

    DON’T ENCOURAGE HIM!

  42. jonrmcleod says:

    Something to consider: Larsen’s Corsi did go down last season compared to 2011-12, but that was also true of every other Dallas defenseman.

    Larsen
    2011-12: 1.54
    2012-13: -6.71

    Goligoski
    2011-12: 9.06
    2012-13: 2.94

    Robidas
    2011-12: 2.14
    2012-13: -4.87

    Daley
    2011-12: -6.04
    2012-13: -6.71

    So Goligoski and Robidas had similar drops in their Corsi numbers from 2011-12 to 2012-13.

  43. bookje says:

    kinger_OIL:
    Maybe this will give many of our fans a reality check: the reality of just how how bad is this team.Our captain, gets traded for essentially nothing.If he stayed, he was penciled in as the 3rd line center.It will be interesting to see what happens, but keep in mind, our team is worse, today then at the end of the season.A KHL magic bean D is the only player signed.And hoping that a prospect makes the team (which is the case for virtually every team in the league).Waiting for comments on the reflection of just how terrible shape this organization is given what one of the actual bonafide NHL’ers on the roster went for (for sure top-12 player on the OIL last year).I suppose Hemsky gets marginally more than Horcoff.Grabovski anyone?When the new warm bodies circa 2013 come in and tantalize, like Jones, Eager, Belanger, an on and on: it will be the same hope, but maybe this time its different.Oh yeah, replacing a coach with no NHL experience with another coach with no NHL experience, who also presents well: that’s a bold move….

    You know, it almost makes me wonder if Horcoff’s cap hit was a bit of burden on trading him.

  44. DBO says:

    Bob Stauffer ‏@Bob_Stauffer 1m
    Andrew Ference would be a fine addition for the Oilers. Dynamic personality with real “depth” and will back it up…legit top 4 left D

    adater ‏@adater 7m
    Hearing Edmonton is in on Ference big time

  45. Lowetide says:

    Derek: How about…?

    Nuge-Hall-Eberle
    Gagner-Clarkson-Yakupov
    Grabovski-Paajarvi-MacArthur

    I like that. PLENTY!

  46. PDO says:

    Aaron Ward said Clarkson was in town today – but as a RW I’m not sure how he fits.

    MacArthur is a LW and would fit in nicely with 89 and 64 and was also in town today.

    I think we have depth chart based off of Stauffer yesterday:

    Hall – RNH – Eberle
    X1 – Gagner – Yakupov
    Paajarvi – X2 – X3
    Smyth – Lander – X4

    X5 – Petry
    Smid – J. Schultz
    N. Schultz – Belov

    Dubynk
    X6

  47. PunjabiOil says:

    He also tweeted that we’re in on Ference too.

    Ference met with MacT today. Not a guy I want especially at what he’ll likely cost (north of 2.5M).

    Just too many bodies.

    Smid Petry
    Schultz Schultz
    Belov Larsen

    Potter Klefbom

    Ideally, you send one of Larsen or Potter to the minors. Klefbom in press box.

    Need to add a legitimate top 4 guy in there as well (like Coburn).

    Where is the room for Ference?

    And I didn’t even mention Paul Ranger.

    Maybe N. Schultz is moving to Philly in part for the Coburn deal? I don’t know.

  48. Oilanderp says:

    I know that I have had weeks to prepare for this moment but now that it is here… I spent a minute staring blankly through my laptop screen and thinking of our former Kaptain. I feel sad.

  49. PunjabiOil says:

    Can anyone please summarize Ference’s advanced stats?

  50. PunjabiOil says:

    Also I can confirm that not only was Clarkson at Rexall today meeting management, but his wife was present as well.

  51. Ca$h-Money! says:

    PaperDesigner,

    Hemsky proved himself as a winger in 2009… and hasn’t since. I’m not saying he’s not good, I’m saying no one believes in him.

    Clarkson has been quite good the last 2 years, and even 3 if you look at shots he’s generated. Plus he’s more physical.

    Look, I like Hemsky, I do. But he’s a top 6 guy, with 2 younger better scorers in front of him in his position, on a team that has too many players like him right now, in a league where no one believes in his value (or else we would have traded him a year ago).

  52. russ99 says:

    Another thing to like about getting Larsen is that we finally have a camp competition for a opening day third line defense spot between Larsen, Belov and Klefbom.

    Lots of options and lots of cap space. Should be quite an interesting day tomorrow.

  53. Racki says:

    Oilanderp:
    Iknow that I have had weeks to prepare for this moment but now that it is here…I spent a minute staring blankly through my laptop screen and thinking of our former Kaptain.I feel sad.

    This is honestly how I felt too. I liked Horc. I was completely expecting this moment, as anyone should have been, but for some reason it still felt unexpected.

    This is good for both sides though. Hopefully he does well in Dallas, just not vs. the Oilers ;)

  54. wheatnoil says:

    spoiler:
    LT!

    This deal hasn’t been finalized yet.This post is going to look silly if Larsen is not actually part of the trade.

    The last tweet we have is this one:

    @DarrenDreger:


    Oilers-Stars still working on Horcoff trade. Hearing defenseman Philip Larsen and a 7th to Oil. Could be more going to Dallas. #TSN

    That sounds pretty far from conclusive, unless you know more from other sources.

    There was also this…

    Stars needed another veteran centre and didn't push the Oilers to eat money in the deal. Both got what they wanted.— Darren Dreger (@DarrenDreger) July 5, 2013

    At least the fact that Oilers aren’t eating any money is a positive.

    You’re right though, the deal isn’t getting finalized tonight.

    The Horcoff trade will not be finalized tonight so there will be no comment from the #oilers or the #stars.— Joanne Ireland (@jirelandEJ) July 5, 2013

    Hmmm… maybe the deal is contingent on the Oilers being successful with their Grabovski claim?

  55. russ99 says:

    Racki: This is honestly how I felt too. I liked Horc. I was completely expecting this moment, as anyone should have been, but for some reason it still felt unexpected.

    Agreed, but I’ll feel worse when we move Hemsky.

  56. russ99 says:

    wheatnoil,

    I’m sure the deal is agreed upon, just have to make the trade call.

    Maybe NHL offices closed early due to the 4th.

  57. striatic says:

    wheatnoil: Hmmm… maybe the deal is contingent on the Oilers being successful with their Grabovski claim?

    it could be that or it might take some time for Horcoff to formally waive his NTC.

    i think it is more likely to be the latter.

  58. Lowetide says:

    PunjabiOil:
    Also I can confirm that not only was Clarkson at Rexall today meeting management, but his wife was present as well.

    AND??????

  59. spoiler says:

    Clarkson does bring goals, but its really the price point that is key. He plays a real irritating game and this isn’t the first time this off-season that the Oil have been linked to agitation. Throw in Coburn and you can see a real effort being made towards improving as a team that’s difficult to play against.

    LT,

    I like your lines, and I don’t think one could go wrong however one set up that top 6, that’s the beauty of it, but I’d be curious to see Gagner move up and RNH with Yak attack. He has the best shot on the team and I wonder if maybe it’s best he’s with the best playmaker. Be curious to see what it looks like anyway.

  60. striatic says:

    i guess i just don’t see why Clarkson would choose Edmonton over Toronto.

    in fact, i don’t think he does.

    if i’m Clarkson’s agent, i have him visiting Edmonton on the eve of free agency in order to create a bidding war between Toronto and Edmonton, but i think that in the end Clarkson has every reason to pick Toronto over Edmonton.

  61. 8p0intgame says:

    If the cap structure of the top two lines looks something like this…

    RNH (5.75) – Hall (6) – Eberle (6) Total = 17.75
    Gagner (5) – Clarkson (5) – Yakupov (6) Total = 16

    Is it normal for teams to spend to 52% of the cap on their top 2 lines?

  62. Lowetide says:

    spoiler:
    Clarkson does bring goals, but its really the price point that is key.He plays a real irritating game and this isn’t the first time this off-season that the Oil have been linked to agitation.Throw in Coburn and you can see a real effort being made towards improving as a team that’s difficult to play against.

    LT,

    I like your lines, and I don’t think one could go wrong however one set up that top 6, that’s the beauty of it, but I’d be curious to see Gagner move up and RNH with Yak attack. He has the best shot on the team and I wonder if maybe it’s best he’s with the best playmaker. Be curious to see what it looks like anyway.

    Interesting. so run Nuge-Yak against softer opp? That might be golden!

  63. spoiler says:

    8p0intgame:
    If the cap structure of the top two lines looks something like this…

    RNH (5.75) – Hall (6) – Eberle (6) Total = 17.75
    Gagner (5) – Clarkson (5) – Yakupov (6) Total = 16

    Is it normal for teams to spend to 52% of the cap on their top 2 lines?

    What’s the cap ceiling when that Yakupov contract is signed? I’m not sure how you know 52%.

  64. spoiler says:

    Lowetide: Interesting. so run Nuge-Yak against softer opp? That might be golden!

    Yep.

  65. 8p0intgame says:

    spoiler,

    I was under the impression the cap was frozen at 64 million for the next couple years?

  66. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    I wish they’d done more than just Horc and Belanger today, we could have called it Machete Thursday.

    http://arresteddevelopment.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Friday

  67. striatic says:

    8p0intgame: I was under the impression the cap was frozen at 64 million for the next couple years?

    this is not the case.

    in fact, speculation is that the cap will jump rather sharply in the next two years due to a new canadian TV contract and more outdoor games bringing in more revenue.

  68. Noodles says:

    PunjabiOil:
    Can anyone please summarize Ference’s advanced stats?

    His advanced stats may be summarized as follows: Bad.

    Dead last in CorsiRel among Bruins D with >20 games played in both 2011-2012 and 2012-2013, with middle-of-the-road zonestarts and quality of competition.

  69. fifthcartel says:

    I think the most interesting thing from Stauffer tonight is, guys, we won the Will Acton sweepstakes!!!!

  70. spoiler says:

    8p0intgame:
    spoiler,

    I was under the impression the cap was frozen at 64 million for the next couple years?

    Just the one for sure, and then increases in revenue can affect the number. It can actually decline, but considering the annual growth rates the league has recently racked up , it seems unlikely.

  71. Thor762 says:

    I like to think how many goals Yakcity will bat out of the air coming off of all those rebounds from the number of shots Clarkson produces.

  72. RexLibris says:

    theres oil in virginia:
    I’m thinking Calgary won’t put in claim for Grabovski, since they know they’re entering a rebuild, no need to throw money at a guy like Grabovski right now.I don’t know what Nashville’s outlook is.

    The Flames also re-signed McGrattan to a 2-year deal and there have been rumblings that they are interested in Bryzgalov. They may be entering a rebuild, but they have their sights set firmly on being competitive immediately.

    To put it another way, its like watching someone put on sun-tan lotion before they step out to shovel the walk in the middle of January.

    They might well make a claim on Grabovski, and arguably it could be a good idea for them. I’m not convinced he’d sign there as a free-agent.

  73. Kris11 says:

    Philip Larsen and his 7MM dollar cap hit should be traded.

    Philip Larsen is so bad, he is untradeable.

    You can’t get to the SCF with Philip Larsen as your 1st line C.

    Philip Larsen gets all these minutes, but Schremp doesn’t. Give Schremp a chance.

    Philip Larsen may have great advanced stats, but he can’t score, and goals win hockey games. You stats Nazis.

    Philip Larsen should not be the captain.

  74. 8p0intgame says:

    striatic,

    Even the cap increases 10% per year for 2 years, the cap will go up to about 76.2 million. The top 2 lines will still eat up 44% of the cap.

  75. Kris11 says:

    No Schremp, Horcoff, Cogliano, Stortini, Gilbert, or Ryan Jones….

    What will we talk about?

    I’m guessing how overpaid tomorrow’s UFA’s are.

  76. godot10 says:

    8p0intgame:
    striatic,

    Even the cap increases 10% per year for 2 years, the cap will go up to about 76.2 million. The top 2 lines will still eat up 44% of the cap.

    Yak is on his entry level contract for the next two years. Nugent-Hopkins 2nd contract might well be a transitional contract where his cap hit won’t change much (say if he gets Matt Duschene’s 2nd contract.)

  77. Kris11 says:

    Also, why did the Bruins trade Seguin?

    I mean, they got a good return, but why not hold on to the kid going forward?

  78. spoiler says:

    Yeah, other than he’s an Edmontonian, I’m not really getting the interest in Ference, unless he”s last pairing. Age, performance, size… nothing really seems to fit.

    He sure did post big TOI in the playoffs though. That shows a lot of confidence from the coach.

  79. RexLibris says:

    I suppose that Larsen essentially ends any chance the Oilers sign Jonathon Blum.

    Ference would be interesting, and I’ve wondered about Scuderi, but I suspect both are back-up plans to a Coburn trade.

    The question is, what contract do the Flyers have to either add or miss out on in order for Coburn to shake loose?

  80. striatic says:

    reading the twitter reaction to Seguin’s departure was fun.

    broke the heart of every puck bunny in Massachusetts.

  81. Kris11 says:

    I like signing Ference, depending on cost. Depth at D is the key. IIRC, Knightown used to say you really need 9 D who can play in the NHL, because of injuries.

    If you bring Ference in, you might just trade out N. Schultz.

    Heck, I might try to add Ference and Gilbert, and if you end up with too many D after July 5th, you could move Petry for a big return at F and N.Schultz for a smaller return.

    Is it the case that Larsen will be headed out? Is that why they didn’t formally anounce the deal? Or is it that the Oilers are sending more to Dallas, but there is still a question about who (or what pick) is being sent to Dallas.

    I do suspect the Oil will need to give more up. Maybe a 6th round pick or something. Or a low-end prospect.

  82. 8p0intgame says:

    godot10,

    That’s a possibility, but unlikely, IMO.

    Unless RNH injures his other shoulder in the upcoming season, I think it’s considerably more likely the Oilers lock him up long-term.

    IMO, Hall (all-star left wing) = Yakupov (potential all-star right wing) > RNH (powerplay witch) > Eberle (excellent right wing, but overpaid). Therefore, RNH should get 6 million. :/

  83. spoiler says:

    Well TSN just blurbed the trade on TV, so the components must be a lock.

  84. striatic says:

    spoiler,

    yeah, i think the issue was the lateness of the trade, east coast time, plus needing to have Horcoff formally waive his NTC in writing or on the phone call or something.

    pure speculation but i think a reasonable explanation for the delay.

  85. rickithebear says:

    remeber the 3 worst GA d sets are
    #1 Gordano- wideman -30ish
    #2 the schultz’s -23
    33 Couburn-Gervais -22

    Yes couburn for Smid…….
    BAhahahahahahahahahahaha!

  86. spoiler says:

    striatic:
    spoiler,

    yeah, i think the issue was the lateness of the trade, east coast time, plus needing to have Horcoff formally waive his NTC in writing or on the phone call or something.

    pure speculation but i thinka reasonable explanation for the delay.

    Murphy’s Law is never far from the back of my mind, lol.

  87. Captain Happy says:

    spoiler: Just the one for sure, and then increases in revenue can affect the number. It can actually decline, but considering the annual growth rates the league has recently racked up , it seems unlikely.

    The value of the Canadian dollars has a huge impact on HRR and it’s been sinking like a rock.

    Down to 95 cents today.

  88. wheatnoil says:

    RexLibris: The question is, what contract do the Flyers have to either add or miss out on in order for Coburn to shake loose?

    They need to give up hope of moving Meszaros.

  89. Henry says:

    striatic:
    reading the twitter reaction to Seguin’s departure was fun.

    broke the heart of every puck bunny in Massachusetts.

    Seguin will love Dallas.

  90. Ducey says:

    This has probably been posted before but it doesn’t seem that Grabo will be a good fit for the Oilers 3rd C:

    “I play in the [expletive] Russian KHL, I make lots of [expletive] points and what’s going to happen? He make me [expletive] play on the fourth line and he put me in the playoffs on the fourth line and third line again,” Grabovski spewed. “Yeah, I don’t score goals. I need to work more about that. I know that. But if you feel support from your coach [you'll find success]. I don’t feel any support from this [expletive] idiot.”

  91. spoiler says:

    Ducey:
    This has probably been posted before but it doesn’t seem that Grabo will be a good fit for the Oilers 3rd C:

    “I play in the [expletive] Russian KHL, I make lots of [expletive] points and what’s going to happen? He make me [expletive] play on the fourth line and he put me in the playoffs on the fourth line and third line again,” Grabovski spewed. “Yeah, I don’t score goals. I need to work more about that. I know that. But if you feel support from your coach [you'll find success]. I don’t feel any support from this [expletive] idiot.”

    Eakins would know the player well, and whether or not acquiring him is a good idea. I have faith they will make the right call on Grabovski, for or against. Those words might have cost him real money though, wherever he signs.

  92. wheatnoil says:

    Ducey:
    This has probably been posted before but it doesn’t seem that Grabo will be a good fit for the Oilers 3rd C:

    “I play in the [expletive] Russian KHL, I make lots of [expletive] points and what’s going to happen? He make me [expletive] play on the fourth line and he put me in the playoffs on the fourth line and third line again,” Grabovski spewed. “Yeah, I don’t score goals. I need to work more about that. I know that. But if you feel support from your coach [you'll find success]. I don’t feel any support from this [expletive] idiot.”

    From the TSN article: “Communication – or lack thereof – was in some ways at the crux of the matter. Grabovski and the head coach rarely spoke, most of the conversation instead streaming through assistant coaches Greg Cronin and Scott Gordon.

    “Wilson [expletive] pushed me same hard as this,” Grabovski said, months of frustration finally bubbling to the surface, “but don’t be an [expletive] with me. If you don’t like something tell [expletive] right away…” ”

    Sounds like something that is right in Eakins’ wheelhouse.

  93. Lowetide says:

    Ducey:
    This has probably been posted before but it doesn’t seem that Grabo will be a good fit for the Oilers 3rd C:

    “I play in the [expletive] Russian KHL, I make lots of [expletive] points and what’s going to happen? He make me [expletive] play on the fourth line and he put me in the playoffs on the fourth line and third line again,” Grabovski spewed. “Yeah, I don’t score goals. I need to work more about that. I know that. But if you feel support from your coach [you'll find success]. I don’t feel any support from this [expletive] idiot.”

    Grabovski in 11-12 had the best CorsiON of any Leafs player while also facing the tough competition. He had best available linemates and deliver 2.08n 5×5/60.

    The Oilers could duplicate that scenario by putting him between Hall and Eberle or they could use him on the 3line with Paajarvi and a veteran R. He can play up and down the lineup.

  94. rickithebear says:

    8p0intgame:
    If the cap structure of the top two lines looks something like this…

    RNH (5.75) – Hall (6) – Eberle (6) Total = 17.75
    Gagner (5) – Clarkson (5) – Yakupov (6) Total = 16

    Is it normal for teams to spend to 52% of the cap on their top 2 lines?

    For the x time the observed playoff team cap structure.

    first 3 17-18M
    4-7 13.5 to 14.5M
    8-14 7-8M

    top 4 D
    14-16m

    you better have alot of 30-35 even point playerrs rolling in at age 24-27 making less than 1M
    Your versteeg, Brower, burnish, Bickell types. who command the 3-4M contracts at 27 .
    so you better have more 30-35 prospects rolling in to replace them.

    Hall 6M
    Eberle 6M
    Yakupov 6M
    RNH 5.25M
    XXX 3.5M
    XXX 3.0M
    XXX 2.75M

  95. squeezboks says:

    Kris11,

    He would be playing behind Krecji and Bergeron. Made all kinds of sense for Boston esp. with Eriksson and (D Prospect) Morrow coming back the other way.

    I love the trade.

  96. DonDon says:

    Nobody has mentioned Filpulla, is he no longer in play?

  97. Lowetide says:

    DonDon:
    Nobody has mentioned Filpulla, is he no longer in play?

    I hope so, but doubt it.

  98. Henry says:

    Ducey:
    This has probably been posted before but it doesn’t seem that Grabo will be a good fit for the Oilers 3rd C:

    “I play in the [expletive] Russian KHL, I make lots of [expletive] points and what’s going to happen? He make me [expletive] play on the fourth line and he put me in the playoffs on the fourth line and third line again,” Grabovski spewed. “Yeah, I don’t score goals. I need to work more about that. I know that. But if you feel support from your coach [you'll find success]. I don’t feel any support from this [expletive] idiot.”

    I hope he [expletive] doesn’t say [expletive] as much during his wedding tomorrow. I think I like this guy, but don’t punch the priest dude.

  99. ASkoreyko says:

    Captain Happy: The value of the Canadian dollars has a huge impact on HRR and it’s been sinking like a rock.

    Down to 95 cents today.

    I think you have just unlocked the secret to the stock market!

    Good grief, I had no idea you know specialize in predicting financial markets as well. Sure hope it turns out better than your Wild prognostications.

  100. cc says:

    I cannot believe the Oilers never made a play for Seguin. Absolutely one of, if not the best second line centre (could be #1 on many teams) in the national hockey league. Strike one to MacT.

    Agreed Henry. He will love Dallas and playing in the Western conference.

  101. TheOtherJohn says:

    Please dear God no big game hunting tomorrow where we waste time, drive the price up for the actual purchaser, a la Marian Hossa and instead we absolutely kill it on value contracts: Gordon, MacArthur, Gilbert and Grabovski. I’d sign Ference if you promised me you’d play Klefbom 60 games in the AHL.

    If we haven’t secured our desired C’s in FA by 1 pm tomorrow we will be scrambling for leftovers. Decidedly not a place to be. Who knows maybe we resign Belanger for 3 years …. He had a good year in 09/10 and heard he’s a great guy in the room (not really)

    Hope everyone realizes right now our 2C is A Lander and he’s 1 to 1 1/2 years away from being a 4C

  102. DeadmanWaking says:

    Captain Happy: The value of the Canadian dollars has a huge impact on HRR and it’s been sinking like a rock.
    Down to 95 cents today.

    Sinking like scoria larded with phenocrysts?

    Your metaphor covers the rather broad range from 0.25 g/cc (pumice) to 23 g/cc (the Hope diamond of osmium ore). The lighter pumices float even in dihydrotetraborane (at hockey temperatures), so we can at least eliminate those, ignoring any as yet undiscovered marine velocowaptors with rock-filled gizzards.

  103. Ducey says:

    Lowetide: Grabovski in 11-12 had the best CorsiON of any Leafs player while also facing the tough competition. He had best available linemates and deliver 2.08n 5×5/60.

    The Oilers could duplicate that scenario by putting him between Hall and Eberle or they could use him on the 3line with Paajarvi and a veteran R. He can play up and down the lineup.

    He may be able to play 3C but if he is hurling expletives around the dressing room about it, he is not going to be a good fit.

  104. Ducey says:

    cc:
    I cannot believe the Oilers never made a play for Seguin.Absolutely one of, if not the best second line centre (could be #1 on many teams) in the national hockey league.Strike one to MacT.

    Agreed Henry.He will love Dallas and playing in the Western conference.

    Come on. The Oilers did not have anyone that would have been better than what Dallas gave up. Boston would have wanted a big strong, experienced player with a reasonable cap hit.

  105. Schitzo says:

    So here’s a hypothetical: say we claim Grabo from waivers at $5.5M. That’s an overpay of what, maybe $1.5M per year?

    Now when you go to negotiate with Gagner you already have two top-6 centres. His leverage has dropped by quite a bit. How much of that $1.5M do you recover in savings on Gagner’s contract?

  106. striatic says:

    Schitzo: So here’s a hypothetical: say we claim Grabo from waivers at $5.5M. That’s an overpay of what, maybe $1.5M per year?

    the issue with Grabovski’s contract is less the per year cost/cap hit than it is the contract’s term.

  107. Schitzo says:

    Ducey: He may be able to play 3C but if he is hurling expletives around the dressing room about it, he is not going to be a good fit.

    Because the collection of upstanding young role models we have right now is a recipe for success? I’ll take the talented weirdos every time.

  108. dangilitis says:

    You pick up Grabovski on waivers and you are essentially replacing one overpriced 3rd line C with another. Copper N Blue ran a nice analysis on him and basically said he is capable at playing soft minutes with 3rd C equivalent TOI/game. Not quite like Carlyle used him, but the gist is he cannot be paid 3rd line C prices (3 would be just fine with me).

    PLEASE NO CLARKSON!!!
    Splits last year:
    1st 14 games – 16 pts
    Last 34 games – 8 pts

    Just 2 years ago was a -20 with 18 pts in 82 games. Is this the player we need? Consistency is not his strong point, and we are going to throw him on a line with Gagner?

    Just crazy. I think he is worth 3-4 million a season if you want to overpay, for 3-4 years. The “winner” of the Clarkson sweepstakes is likely 5 million for 5 years. I am sorry, but if anyone here is quibbling over what Gagner is being paid, but not going to bat an eye at Clarkson who has no skill other than as LT puts it, blocking out the sun, then this is not competent management.

    Go for MacArthur and Filppula if you want to overpay, or offer Grabo a deal once he clears waivers (and if he doesn’t, thank the team who takes him off waivers).

  109. Ribs says:

    The Hockey News: Has excellent hockey sense, moves puck quickly and smoothly out of the defensive zone and has some offensive ability. Needs to add more strength so as to better adapt to the more physical style of the NHL game, since he’s undersized. He is a mobile puck moving defenseman with some upside.

    This really is a good description of him. I had hoped that he would eventually be able to bring the offense that he showed in the AHL to the NHL but it just hasn’t happened (yet).

    With two guys with size coming in (Belov, Klefbom) on the left side, it will be interesting to see who shakes free between Potter and Larsen on the right.

  110. Ice Sage says:

    And to think that the Oilers almost drafted Seguin… man he’d have made an awesome whipping boy.

    So instead of an inconsistent, possibly-permanently hobbled, part-time winger who’s been traded after 3 years, who also disappoints when the spotlight brightens, the Edmonton Oilers have (Captain-Elect, All-star, top-10 scorer, super-resilient, Toews-like glaring) T. Hall.

    We rag on these guys but goddam right they got that draft right.

  111. DBO says:

    Ference was a top 4 dman on a cup finalist last year. How is he not a solid addition? If cap hit is reasonable he is an effective two way dman with grit and Puck moving ability who plays pk. If it’s a 2 yr $2.5 mill deal he is an upgrade on Schultz the elder. Allows us to move Schultz to fill a spot up front.

    Clarkson will get overpaid for sure. Klowe loves whale hunting. Scary combo.

  112. Lowetide says:

    Ference was 4th in EV TOI (17:06) 4th in PK TOI (2:13) and wasn’t a PP Factor. 4th overall in TOI/game at 19;29

  113. cc says:

    Ducey,

    Ducey, you may be right but you have to make a play. And in today’s world if the Oil would have made any attempt we all would have heard something. Very disappointing.

  114. DBO says:

    Lowetide,

    And in the playoffs he was 2nd in ev minutes per game. Sorry, do not see the issue. He is an upgrade. Great signing. Local kid. Do it.

  115. Lois Lowe says:

    cc:
    I cannot believe the Oilers never made a play for Seguin.Absolutely one of, if not the best second line centre (could be #1 on many teams) in the national hockey league.Strike one to MacT.

    Which one of Hall, Yakupov, or Eberle would you have liked going the other way?

  116. Double DD says:

    DBO,

    He was last among regular Boston defenceman in Corsi each of the last 2 seasons and he’s 34 years old. He’s definitely not a player of interest for me. Unless he’s willing to come for real cheap.

  117. FastOil says:

    Kris11:
    Also, why did the Bruins trade Seguin?

    I mean, they got a good return, but why not hold on to the kid going forward?

    Because he’s a jerk. Like Grabovski.

  118. Andropod says:

    Kris11:
    Also, why did the Bruins trade Seguin?

    I mean, they got a good return, but why not hold on to the kid going forward?

    Trading a #2 pick surely means the pick didn’t work out as planned. Not sure how much of it is having better centers, and how much of it is a degenerative hip condition. I’m thinking Dallas may have traded for a player with a limited shelf life.

  119. russ99 says:

    Noodles,

    Again with the Corsi for defensive defensemen.

    It’s a poor metric for guys like Ference. 13 points and plus 9 aren’t going to positively push Corsi forward enough to compensate for goals against when he’s on the ice.

  120. FastOil says:

    FastOil: Because he’s a jerk. Like Grabovski.

    Because he’s a jerk with a bad hip, not like Grabovski.

  121. supernova says:

    Racki:
    Said it in another post, but I’ll repeat it here..

    The Oilers now have $24M to work with to sign 7 players. If you subtract Hemsky, that’s $29M for 8 players, or $3.625M per player. That is huge amounts of cap space.

    I would suggest trying to lock up Nuge long term ASAP, to start.. David Staples was talking about this. If you get him for under $6M, that’s great.

    The fans will hate this, but the team NEEDS to start dropping some serious coin to now fill the needs.

    MacT and co just have to be really smart about who they overspend on. If it’s the perfect fit, it will be worth the deal.

    Racki,

    I agree with this, except our targets would be different.

    I want the big guys, like Clarkson and Horton ( very doubtful) and clowe.
    Guys that add a different dimension, that make the oilers a team that can play multiple types of games.

    I also think they should lock up RNH to a near Hall deal, probably in that 5.5 to 6 range.

    If this is done with RNH and Yak next year, an overpay on a Clarkson type will be insignificant.

    I have posted this before but my salary breakdown is

    Hall – 6
    Ebs – 6
    RNH -6
    Yak – 6
    Schultz- 4.5

    Basically $30 million or under for their kings and Queens, with the cap almost surely hitting high 60′s and low 70′s over the next couple of seasons, they will not have salary worries.

  122. PunjabiOil says:

    AND?????.

    That’s all I was told. The person who told me works for the organization. Said Clarkson and his wife were at Rexall meeting with MacTavish. Also mentioned that Ference was met with MacTavish.

    I was initially a little skeptical since Tencer and Matheson said MacTavish was out of town trying to recruit a player.

    Obviously they were wrong.

    Could mean something that Clarkson’s spouse is here. Or perhaps mean nothing. Clarkson met with Ottawa’s GM yesterday.

  123. striatic says:

    PunjabiOil: Could mean something that Clarkson’s spouse is here. Or perhaps mean nothing. Clarkson met with Ottawa’s GM yesterday.

    i think all it means is that he is visiting with teams that are interested in paying him a lot of money, and that coincidentally this might start a bidding war for his services.

  124. Double DD says:

    russ99,

    Corsi has nothing to with goals for or against so I’m not sure why that should matter.

    And even if you look at Corsi Against alone and ignore shots for, he’s not very good. 2nd last among regulars in 2012-13. Last in 2011-12. So the defensive defenceman excuse doesn’t work since he doesn’t prevent shots against.

  125. PunjabiOil says:

    striatic,

    That, or they Clarkson’s really love West Edmonton Mall.

  126. PunjabiOil says:

    Not sure why they’re interested in Ference then, given Stauffer’s comment that MacT and company have bought into analytics.

    Maybe the problem is Dan Haight, the key figure in Darkhorse Analytics, which is outsourced by the Oilers. Tyler Dellow should apply, using his blog entries as crystal clear references as to their mistakes over the last 7 years.

  127. spoiler says:

    PunjabiOil:
    AND?????.

    That’s all I was told.The person who told me works for the organization.Said Clarkson and his wife were at Rexall meeting with MacTavish.Also mentioned that Ference was met with MacTavish.

    I was initially a little skeptical since Tencer and Matheson said MacTavish was out of town trying to recruit a player.

    Obviously they were wrong.

    Could mean something that Clarkson’s spouse is here.Or perhaps mean nothing.Clarkson met with Ottawa’s GM yesterday.

    It was Wednesday that they had him out of town, romancing an unnamed free agent.

    I would bet money that it was Ray Emery.

    Matty also tweeted this earlier today:

    Jim Matheson‏@NHLbyMatty10h

    Braydon Coburn will eventually wind up in EDM via PHI. Could he be def. security blanket guy for Justin Schultz? Coburn coming off poor yr

  128. Magnus says:

    I can’t help but feel pretty negative about all these rumours.

    Why oh why Clarkson…. if signed for anything over $4 million, its a huge fail. The odds of him being cost-effective relative to his salary are slim to none.

    And why the interest in Ference? Character guy yes, but what does he bring that Hunwick couldn’t have supplied for half the cost? He’s more experienced, but he’s also older and more injury-prone. He may be grittier, but he’s still a small defenseman. I don’t see him as an improvement on Nick Schultz at all.

    Did Stauffer actually say Will Acton was signed? I figured it was Zigomanis, who actually is a tweener. Acton has yet to play an NHL game. And brings pretty much nothing.

    I don’t see Larsen winning a spot in the line-up, even as a 7th defenseman.

  129. PunjabiOil says:

    The more I think about Clarkson, the more I don’t want him here.

    An at-best 40 point player should not be paid anymore than 4.5M in UFA market conditions.

    Raffi Torres scored 28 goals for us back in 2005-2006.

    Giving Clarkson north of 4.5M is setting up to be an untradeable asset.

  130. cc says:

    Lois Lowe,

    Lois relax, I wouldn’t want any of those players going anywhere, they are our future and our core. And why would you feel they would be the only players available to make a play? What about a deal including Paajarvi & Hartikainen or maybe Hemsky. Maybe a second round pick next year.

    All I’m saying is MacT should have made a pitch to see if there was anything of interest.

  131. bookje says:

    cc:
    Lois Lowe,

    Lois relax, I wouldn’t want any of those players going anywhere, they are our future and our core.And why would you feel they would be the only players available to make a play?What about a deal including Paajarvi & Hartikainen or maybe Hemsky.Maybe a second round pick next year.

    All I’m saying is MacT should have made a pitch to see if there was anything of interest.

    You can’t be serious, can you? Lois mentioned the only players that the Oilers have which would get any interest for Seguin.

  132. bazmagoo says:

    @Lowetide

    “I don’t think he’s going to be much of a factor beyond causing Corey Potter’s sphincter to tighten”

    Best one liner I’ve ever read in an Oilers article, lol, that’s gold baby, gold!

  133. stevezie says:

    Magnus,

    Totally agree on Hunwick. I like Ference and think he makes a lot of sense here, but isn’t Hunwick a younger, significantly cheaper version of the same thing? Medium sized puck-mover with big-minute experience? I guess Ference has played in more big games.

    I like Ference, I just don’t see why he is better than a dirt-cheap Hunwick.

    Oh, and I don’t get people saying Larsen creates a roster problem- there is now a log jam at the bottom of the roster. These are easy to clear and/or absorb. There remains plenty of room at the top. I wish we could do better the Coburn, but he’s good enough.

  134. stevezie says:

    cc,

    You cannot be serious.

  135. justDOit says:

    I think it will be very unlikely that this Larsen fellow (not the Larsson I was hoping for…) will cause any grief to Potter. If Corey gets pushed back to his comfort depth, he’ll be a great support defender.

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