RE 13-14 ANTON LANDER: ALWAYS CRASHING IN THE SAME CAR

Anton Lander represents the latest in a long line of mishandled prospects–the Oilers were patient in year one after draft, patient in year two, and ALL they had to do was park Lander’s butt in Oklahoma for year three. It was not to be. If there’s a way to crash the prospect, the Oilers find it. It’s amazing.

RE 13-14: 50, 4-8-12

  1. I can’t remember, do you hate him? No, like him. Or at least the idea of him, as a Doug Jarvis type player. A shutdown center whose defensive skills were so absolute and obvious as a teenager he overcame the fact that he could not score goals to become something special.
  2. Is there still time? Yes, absolutely. Lander just needs to find the range, and there were some nice signs at the minor league level this season. At the beginning of the year with the Barons, he was playing a reduced role with Nuge, Arco and others in the picture (27, 2-4-6 .222 through December’s end). January through April, the clouds went away and he had some nice things going in the AHL (20, 7-7-14 .700) and then he took off (8, 5-3-8 1.00) in the post-season.
  3. Anything else? OKC SOG totals rose over each period (Oct through Dec: 29 in 27 games, 1.07 shots-per-game; Jan through April: 49 in 20 games, 2.45 shots-per-game; Playoffs: 27 in 8 games, 3.38 shots-per-game). For Lander, that’s an outstanding result.
  4. Any signs of life at the major league level? Well, he’s a blue bubble in the sheltered part of the Vollman Sledgehammer, which is better than being in the red.
  5. What about PK? His one assist came 4×5 and his CorsiRel PK was also a blue bubble–second year in a row. So there’s some promise here in the exact area we were told he’d do well.
  6. Anything in the WOWY? He was above 50% with Paajarvi, Petrell, Hartikainen (they’re all gone) and Yak city. He was also above 50% with Paajarvi in his rookie season.  All of these are extremely small sample sizes, and we shouldn’t read too much into them. Early days. He really found his range in North America this season with the Nordics–Harski, Paajarvi, Rajala–and of course they’re mostly gone now. Maybe he can find some chem with Rajala in pre-season or Joensuu during the year, or both at some point.
  7. Are there any more good arrows? MacT didn’t flush him and appears to have given him a pretty nice chance here. A team that sent away most of their PK guys this summer is probably going to look at Lander’s PK ability as an extreme positive. His 1:45 put him 6th on the team last year among forwards, and the Oilers vaporized 4 of the guys in front of him.
  8. Faceoffs? Up to 49.1%, but in only 55 sorties. Still, it’s a nice step forward from his 43.3% as a rookie.
  9. So, it’s the offense? Yeah, he can’t piss a drop.
  10. Has he ever played with good veteran players? No, but that’s not likely to change this season.
  11. What if they gave him Boyd Gordon? What?
  12. What if they tried him on LW with Gordon? I think he’s a better center than most of the guys Eakins would be slotting in at #4C. He’s inexperienced, but can play the position.
  13. So, good center but hopeless offensively. Well, he had one good season in the SEL at 19 and showed some signs in the spring run for the Barons. Maybe they’ll give him a look-see with skilled guys this pre-season, see if he can cash.
  14. Seriously? New coach, you never know.
  15. You’re not planning for it based on the RE. No, you’re correct.
  16. Why this song? Like Gordon’s selection, this is more a reflection of the organization. I am certainly on record as being a fan of the scouting department, but do believe the club shoots itself in the foot many times in the development of these players. As a fan, when I hear Bowie sing “as I pushed my foot down to the floor I was going round and round the hotel garage, Must have been touching close to 94 Oh, but I’m always crashing in the same car” I think of the Oilers handling of all these kids over the years. Even the ones who make it–Brodziak, Chimera–they send away. And you know what? Those role players–Brodziak, Chimera–are EXACTLY the kinds of players the American Hockey League develops and EXACTLY the kinds of players the Oilers need right now. Bloody hell, man: connect the dots! If you’ve been doing the same thing forever and it isn’t getting results, perhaps trying going opposite George? Just a thought.
  17. MacT will fix this? That’s something I’m counting on.
  18. You know, you could make the case they just did the same thing with Paajarvi. Sending him away at the exact time he was ready to step up? You bet, except he’s been contributing for some time now. And of course they didn’t trade him for draft picks in the 3rd round.
  19. Does Lander make it as an NHL player? He’s a unique enough skill set, I expect he’ll grow into a Gordon-calibre defensive center as the miles roll along. These guys have to fly many sorties, just like the defensemen.

LANDER 2011-12 VOLLMAN SLEDGEHAMMER

jones 11-12 sledgehammer

 LANDER 2012-13 VOLLMAN SLEDGEHAMMER

hemsky vollman

There’s Lander and his little blue balloon (balloon?) in the sheltered area with the good zone starts. I think that’s a reflection of how coach Krueger felt about him a year ago, we’ll see if he can build on his AHL results and find a way to be productive on the 4line this coming season.

(photo by Rob Ferguson, all rights reserved).

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22 Responses to "RE 13-14 ANTON LANDER: ALWAYS CRASHING IN THE SAME CAR"

  1. Lowetide says:

    Bohologo:
    But didn’t Doug Jarvis score 45 in his draft year? Same with Guy Carbonneau, no? Great numbers in junior, only to become a shutdown guy.

    I wonder if Bob Gainey is more the model. Someone who really never brought a lot of attack, but if I am not mistaken, the Soviets thought he was the best skater on the planet. Just the kind of guy who quietly smothered your team to death or unobtrusively bled them out.

    Jarvis scored 45 at ag 19, in an OHA that had been decimated by the WHA and the underage draft. Lander at 19 was scoring 26 points in 45 SEL games, and that’s a man’s league. I understand your point, but Jarvis scored those goals in perhaps the weakest period for the OHA in a decade.

    The top scorer in the OHA in 1974-75 was Bruce Boudreau with 165 points. Never played more than 40 games in an NHL season. All the great kids the OHA had produced were drafted into the NHL or playing in the WHA. Mark Howe, maybe the best 1975 eligible player, was scoring 36 goals in the WHA with his Dad and brother.

  2. Rustyknuckler says:

    With Paajarvi gone and Hartikainnen in the KHL, Lander is the most exciting prospect to watch this season. Mac T sees something in him. This is his year to make an impression, he needs to earn his place on the Oilers roster because lets face it, if Anton can’t make THIS* team he’s probably never going to amount to much. *unless another center is acquired between now and the start of the season.

  3. DeadmanWaking says:

    Dryden on Gainey

    One time someone mentioned that Bob Gainey scored very few goals and my wife Linda turned to me, a little surprised. She said,” Do you know, while I’ve watched him play for nearly five years I never realized that.” Then she shrugged and went on to something else as if in Gainey’s case it really didn’t matter.

    In that account Gainey sounds like a hybrid of Lander’s brains and hands, Anderson’s attack vector, and Pääjärvi’s wheels. That’s a tough way to play the game for a guy who can’t finish.

    It’s then you realize how fast Bob is skating. Now the defenseman is really scrambling, trying to keep up. I, in the net, straighten up from my crouch, and for four or five seconds the game seems to stop.

    One suspects that Dryden composed an entire chapter of his future book in 5s snatches.

    Edit: You know, if you turn P’s name upside down, it does look like a locomotive. The kind with the curved snowplow in front they use to clear the tracks at high speed.

  4. Oilanderp says:

    That guy who asks the questions in your articles can sure be a real dick. I respect him though since he asks those necessary questions… except one: Is there any chance they steer the car away from the pole this time and start Lander in OKC?

  5. Woodguy says:

    Where did you get Lander’s splits?

    I was thinking that Lander gets the shot at 2C when RNH can’t start the year, but maybe Arco/Miller gets a shot.

    Probably depends a bit on who impresses Eakins at camp.

    Also,

    Here’s Lander’s most common line mates from 11/12:
    PETRELL, LENNART 213:59min
    EAGER, BEN 199:07min
    PAAJARVI, MAGNUS 94:03min
    JONES, RYAN 93:21min
    HORCOFF, SHAWN 59:20min
    HORDICHUK, DARCY 55:27min
    BELANGER, ERIC 44:02min
    SMYTH, RYAN 43:04min

    Just look at the TOI together with the dregs of the NHL.

    That’s just like trying to teach someone to swim with lead weights on their arms and legs and then turning out the lights.

    Fucking Oilers.

    I hope this bullshit is stopped with Jackassalini gone.

    You can’t plan to fuck up more if you tried.

    Asshole.

    Lowe’s an asshole for letting it happen as well.

    Assholes.

  6. Rustyknuckler says:

    Fucking Oilers.I hope this bullshit is stopped with Jackassalini gone.You can’t plan to fuck up more if you tried.Asshole.Lowe’s an asshole for letting it happen as well.Assholes.

    You win the internet today with that one “Jackassakini” ROFL!

  7. 99thoilerfan says:

    Good Morning LT….

    Enjoy the read… as always. 1st coffee and your blog…. Great way to start the long weekend!

    ( PS: Woodguy is cussin’ up a storm! Maybe some Bailey’s in his coffee will settle him down* )

    * then again, might not be a good idea, he would become a wide awake drunk…

    Jumping on my Goldwing for a ride, Enjoy your weekend!

  8. Lowetide says:

    WG: lol. You’re on fire! I counted the point totals and SOG totals from here

    http://theahl.com/stats/gamebygame.php?seasonId=42&id=4421

    That’s the playoffs, you have to go back to regular season to get those numbers.

  9. DeadmanWaking says:

    The picks and the performance.

    The first one is a rip-off compilation of other people’s uploads. It moves from speed to power (with an interlude for four lights against the background music of keys left dangling in the ignition with driver’s door open–apparently the man in charge was asleep at the switch).

    The last bit of the first clip reminds me of the year in the mid seventies that my little school a town north of Airdrie was closed for several weeks because so much snow had accumulated the snow clearance equipment could no longer reach high enough to add more snow to the trench walls. By then on most of those roads the walls of snow on either side were higher than the gap was wide.

    MacT must know the feeling.

  10. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    “Anton Lander represents the latest in a long line of mishandled prospects–the Oilers were patient in year one after draft, patient in year two, and ALL they had to do was park Lander’s butt in Oklahoma for year three. It was not to be. If there’s a way to crash the prospect, the Oilers find it. It’s amazing.”

    The thing that really sticks in your craw isn’t so much that they tried him with the big club a year early… but that Renney took too long to figure out he was in over his head, then finally started to sit him and Tambo basically sleep walked for a month or two while Lander sat unused in the press box.

    The early audition is understandable. You want to see your new toy asap. The failure to realize you have to break it in before you can really let it run is inexcusable.

    They should have given him a defined window of opportunity, like the 9 game window. Congratulated him on his first taste, given him a full report on what needs work and encouraged him on his way to kill it with Nelson.

    ———
    “Why this song?”

    I going to go way off the board here and recommend “Autumn Leaves” the Cannonball/Davis version for Lander.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u37RF5xKNq8

    I’ve mentioned it before, but one of my favorite Lander attributes is his wild eyes and his weird angular jaw. His face just seems to work a frustrating magic on you. You have to use every power at your disposal to keep from punching a face like that.

    The bass line in this song taunts you like a cat. “da-da-da-daaa-da…” It keeps leading you around in the same circle, never quite making contact with the ground. You can’t catch up to it.

    When Miles starts off around the 53 second mark, he sounds almost half-hearted, like he’s so good he doesn’t have to try. He just nails it. It’s coy. In a romantic context it would be a tease. In a fight to the death, it is the height of a different kind of frustration. This guy is going to race around and lackadaisically avoid you, wear you out. He is someone moving too fast for you to grab him, but not really moving that fast at all. And, he’s smiling bizarrely at you the whole time.

    When Cannonball starts in around 2:04 the taunts come out. You’re sluggish, you’ve been trying desperately to destroy this little gnat, but you can’t land a punch. He seems casual in his disregard for you. But, now, he’s talking to you.

    He keeps changing his pitch, moderating his voice in a weird way. What is he saying? You can’t quite understand. Every 3rd word or so comes in clear. The rest is a blur, but you take the offence all the same, maybe moreso since you are only left to imagine how bad you’ve got it.

    That’s how I imagine Lander working the opposition.

    ———

    Lowetide: Mark Howe

    This picture always cracks me up:

    http://s19.photobucket.com/user/spyboy1/media/TSG%20Blog%203/HoweAerosjerseysIHHOF.png.html

  11. Hammers says:

    The real point is how many players we have screwed . Mostly Euros when you think on it . Paarvi , Omark , Lander and to an extent Harski . None of them brought in properly and used to there strengths . I wonder what a ” Detroit” would have got out of this bunch . 3 years in AHL then success for probably 3 of them .

  12. Lowetide says:

    I think the Oilers problem is that they didn’t do what MacT did with Pisani–bring him in, move him up the depth chart as he was able to take on more, but never really forcing the issue. If a guy isn’t getting offensive chances, if he’s chasing the puck every shift, if his shot differential is beyond poor–these are bad signs. They aren’t things that you can turn around with a good week.

  13. godot10 says:

    Lander’s main weakness is his average skating. He has the skill to play with talented players. But the further you push him down the lineup, the less skilled players you play him with, and with his skating, I think his best position might be LW…you know, one of those extra centres, you have stashed on the wing.

    I think he could have been a 3rd line centre, if you had Paajarvi on his left side to transport the puck up the ice. And I think he could be a nice defensive conscience, say between Perron and Yakupov. He has the skill to play with those guys.

    But he really projects as a bottom six forward, and with his skating, and likely linemates, I think ultimately, his best position is left wing (who can play centre when injuries hit).

    I think we see Lander and Gordon as 3rd line fixtures, sooner than later.

  14. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy: That’s just like trying to teach someone to swim with lead weights on their arms and legs and then turning out the lights.

    Great analogy. Made me laugh and wince all at once.

    Lowetide: I think the Oilers problem is that they didn’t do what MacT did with Pisani–bring him in, move him up the depth chart as he was able to take on more, but never really forcing the issue.

    In four more years Lander will be the same age Pisani was when he broke in. Just sayin’.

  15. rickithebear says:

    Wood Guy:
    Your conclusion!
    A young man has zero chance to succeed.
    you know i live off WOWy and w/ w/o
    Eager, smyth and Belanger were hammered byt the Even GD shit shows:.
    Petrell, Jones, MP, Horcoff, Hemsky.
    of the players we have now
    the only Negative players even are
    Jones, Lander, hemsky
    they are slightly negative to even.
    this really is our 4th line.
    Results say it..

    Heck Eager-gagner outperforms RNH-Eberle at even GD.

  16. rickithebear says:

    Most of you need to go to Stats. Hockeyanalysis.,com

    I just assume shit like WG posted is frickin obvious!

    if you go off Past results with each of the.

    our best even:

    RNH-Hall-Yakupov
    Eager-Gagner-Perron
    Smyth-gordon-Eberle
    Jones-lander-hemsky

    None of the pie in the sky.
    I think.
    Just pure results based Hammer the shit out of the other team GD.
    hemsky is only in the top 12 cause he is goodon PP and would get 2nd PP.
    Or jeonsuu would be in eagers spot and eager would be in hemsky’s spot.

    Quit guessing andn suposing! look at the results.

  17. regwald says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    “Anton Lander represents the latest in a long line of mishandled prospects–the Oilers were patient in year one after draft, patient in year two, and ALL they had to do was park Lander’s butt in Oklahoma for year three. It was not to be. If there’s a way to crash the prospect, the Oilers find it. It’s amazing.”

    The thing that really sticks in your craw isn’t so much that they tried him with the big club a year early… but that Renney took too long to figure out he was in over his head, then finally started to sit him and Tambo basically sleep walked for a month or two while Lander sat unused in the press box.

    The early audition is understandable. You want to see your new toy asap. The failure to realize you have to break it in before you can really let it run is inexcusable.

    They should have given him a defined window of opportunity, like the 9 game window. Congratulated him on his first taste, given him a full report on what needs work and encouraged him on his way to kill it with Nelson.

    The other part to remember about the Lander experiment is he had a very good training camp. He looked good and he looked ready.

    I think mistake is that after 10 or 15 games, the assessment didn’t come that he needed to be sent down. That’s the mistake and abysmal failure. The first indication is when the coach makes him a healthy scratch numerous games in a row. That’s a signal that the coach doesn’t trust the player. GM needs to do his job and make the transaction. Further to that Renney needed to tell Tambo the best thing for Lander is a trip to OKC.

    Shame on Tambo if that conversation happened but the transaction didn’t.

  18. bookje says:

    I think that the ability of a team to develop a player (or to fail to do so) is being over-emphasized. The player is the player. I am not saying its a non-factor, but the primary determinant for a player like JDD, Lander, or even Hall resides within the individual.

  19. dangilitis says:

    “if every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right”

    “My name is George. I’m unemployed and I live with my parents.”

    Classic.

  20. jp says:

    rickithebear:
    Most of you need to go to Stats. Hockeyanalysis.,com

    I just assume shit like WG posted is frickin obvious!

    if you go off Past results with each of the.

    our best even:

    RNH-Hall-Yakupov
    Eager-Gagner-Perron
    Smyth-gordon-Eberle
    Jones-lander-hemsky

    None of the pie in the sky.I think.
    Just pure results based Hammer the shit out of the other team GD.
    hemsky is only in the top 12 cause he is goodon PP and would get 2nd PP.
    Or jeonsuu would be in eagers spot and eager would be in hemsky’s spot.

    Quit guessing andn suposing! look at the results.

    RICKI, your approach is for the most part correct. My only issue is that you consistently ignore sample size. Yes, Eager and Gagner have performed very well together. But they’ve only played 41 5X5 min together. Ever. Only 16 min together in situations where the game is close. This info is on http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com. Their CF% was good in those 16 “close” minutes, but even in the 41 min sample their CF% was below 50. And you’re going to put him on the 2nd line? That sounds like a lot of guessing and supposing and pie in the sky to me. The results say that a total of 2 goals have been scored (both by the Oilers) when Eager and Gagner have shared the ice together. Ever. Maybe they are infinitely good, or maybe we have no f’ing idea because they’ve barely played together.

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