BATTLE OF ALBERTA: THE NEW ERA (ROOKIES G1)

It’s here! It’s really really here! The Oilers rookies mark the beginning of another wonderful year of Oilers hockey. I’m all in on this season, missed last year so much it hurt and despite my advanced years there’s no good reason for me to hold back. With the Flames getting a new dictator this morning, tonight’s game marks the beginning of man versus beast hockey.

Let’s get this party started!

THE LINEUP!

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  • Line 1: Miller-Roy-Kessy: I like the combination of Miller and Roy, less thrilled about the addition of Kessy. That’s one of those “maybe he can play with skill” ideas and we know how they turn out. Still, if you’re going to do it this is the game to try.
  • Line 2: Ewanyk-Abney-Houck: This is their muscle line, Ewanyk is an energy guy who’ll run anything, Abney’s an enforcer and Houck plays a physical game with skill.
  • Line 3: Schaber-Baddock-Bickie: I’m not sure there’s a player on this line, but Baddock did some nice things with the Oil Kings in limited minutes.
  • Line 4: Chase-Khaira-Fyten: I think–and could be wrong–this line ends up doing the most damage. There’s no dud on the line and Fyten is a pro hockey player.
  • Pairing 1: Nurse-Klefbom: Lordy. Lordy lordy lordy. As distressing as the forwards look tonight, that’s a big part of Edmonton’s future on the top pairing. Klefbom may be the best player on the ice throughout this tournament.
  • Pairing 2: Gernat-Musil: Bruce McCurdy mentioned to me a week or so ago that he had hoped to see this pairing on the Oil Kings, but it never happened. He finally gets his wish at the rookie tournament.
  • Pairing 3: Davidson-Leach: Tough guy Leach will get a lot of work (if MacT’s in the building he’ll probably play forward starting in the second period) and Davidson should thrive in this climate.
  • Pairing 4: Marincin-Betker: Marincin must have slept in this morning or something, he’s way better than this. One guesses he’ll end up playing with Davidson as the evening rolls along.
  • Goalie: Tyler Bunz: I honestly don’t know how much he’ll play, but would expect that he gets most of this game and Saturday’s game too.

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171 Responses to "BATTLE OF ALBERTA: THE NEW ERA (ROOKIES G1)"

  1. Jon K says:

    I’ve seen 3 shifts and the Oilers young ones have been soundly dominated. 1-0 Flames.

  2. Tarkus says:

    Max Reinhart opens the scoring for the Flambes. One-nil.

  3. delooper says:

    Oilers finally getting out of their zone. 1-0 Calgary.

  4. In the Grease says:

    LT I posted this is in the previous thread, maybe you’ve seen it – but the Oilers site tweeted this pic of the official line-up, which differs from Stauffer’s take…. also of note, player height and weight which I assume to be current… interesting stuff…

    https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/375666983200493569/photo/1

  5. In the Grease says:

    Whoops sprry…. timing issues…. didn’t realize the game had already started. Fail.

  6. In the Grease says:

    Are the actual line combos in sync with the one they posted? Just curious….

  7. Jon K says:

    From the two shifts that Khaira has been on my impressions can be summarized as “heavy feet”. He can get going in a straight line, but really seems to lack agility for pivots, turning, acceleration.

  8. delooper says:

    Oilers forward having trouble picking up the break-out pass. D-men not realizing some of them are slugs.

  9. wheatnoil says:

    Roy’s got some wheels.

  10. Lowetide says:

    Nice burst from Roy there.

  11. Rocknrolla says:

    First game of the year!

    HOCKEY’S BACK THANK THE LORD!!!!!!

  12. wheatnoil says:

    Jon K:
    From the two shifts that Khaira has been on my impressions can be summarized as “heavy feet”. He can get going in a straight line, but really seems to lack agility for pivots, turning, acceleration.

    a) I agree with your observations.
    b) Of course, it’s the first two shifts in a 5pm game in the first game of the year, so we should cut him some slack.
    c) I thought he did some nice corner work in the first couple shifts, though couldn’t cycle it once he got it.

  13. Lowetide says:

    Early impressions: Roy and Chase hav esome nice things going on, I like the defense, Bunz is on fire and Houck is a little filthy.

  14. Tarkus says:

    Too bad Fyten didn’t get number 54. “Five four Fyten”.

  15. wheatnoil says:

    Lowetide,

    I think Musil has been a touch jittery. Gernat has a nice lead pass. Nurse and Klefbom look stronger than the rest of the pack (as they should). Marincin ended a couple potentially dangerous sorties nicely.

  16. delooper says:

    Why is Granlund playing, he’s an NHL regular isn’t he? Just as I say that Granlund scores. Doesn’t he have something like 2 nhl seasons already?

  17. Tarkus says:

    delooper:
    Why is Granlund playing, he’s an NHL regular isn’t he?Just as I say that Granlund scores. Doesn’t he have something like 2 nhl seasons already?

    You’re thinking of his brother Mikael, who plays with Minny.

  18. Lowetide says:

    Brutal play by Klefbom there. Youch!

  19. wheatnoil says:

    Bad give-away by Klefbom, though not a terrible recovery.

  20. delooper says:

    Tarkus: You’re thinking of his brother Mikael, who plays with Minny.

    Ah, right. Which Granlund did Hall injure when he was playing in OKC?

  21. delooper says:

    Oilers getting whooped. Maybe the Oilers rookies will be content to beat the Flames in the alley…

  22. Tarkus says:

    Now 3-0 on Granlund’s 2nd goal, redirecting a nice backhand pass from Ferland. Blecch.

    1st period done (thank goodness). Shots 17-4 for the Cowpokes.

  23. Jon K says:

    Mikael.

    Watching this game you’d almost think that only maybe one or two these guys will actually have an impact career in the NHL. Some of these forwards aren’t very good at that thing, playing hockey.

  24. wheatnoil says:

    Miller’s going to have to be stronger than he has been in this game so far if he wants a shot at the NHL level.

  25. russ99 says:

    Ugly. Welcome to NHL training camp boys.

  26. OilLeak says:

    Tyler Bunz is proving his performance last season was no fluke.

  27. Lowetide says:

    First period, early. We knew the questions were going to be goaltending and the forward group, and I think Bunz played well despite the score and one soft goal but the forwards are awful. Not enough skill, and if you play guys like Abney things won’t go well.

  28. Kris11 says:

    The season is already over.

  29. RexLibris says:

    Not much cohesiveness amongst the Oiler kids tonight. Flames seem to know where to pass and where to be, not so much the Oilers.

    Impressed with Gernat, Marincin and Nurse so far. As much as it was a misplaced show of aggression, I actually like that Houck brought some mid-ice danger to the game. Wonder if Kanzig and Abney decide to drop the gloves later?

  30. VanOil says:

    Houck has caught my eye so far, Roy looks like he could be a player. 3-0 to the Flames does not inspire my belief in the defense. But is is great to have hockey back.

    Thanks for the tip on the height & weights being on the chart Mr. Grease it might be the most honest view we get of them all year.

  31. russ99 says:

    Only one period of the first chance many of these guys have to play pro level opponents.

    Hopefully Nelson gets them going in the second. Time to get to work.

  32. Kitchener says:

    Kris11,

    Funniest comment of the year.

  33. dessert1111 says:

    First period of a meaningless game. But, first time we get to see a lot of these guys in game action. First impressions are probably the longest lasting ones, and they give us a visual of how the player plays. With that being said….

    Betker looks better than I thought he would. He’s big.
    Miller backchecked well a couple of times but is not dominating like he should be.
    Roy has skill. Thank god.
    Greg Chase showing how much of a value pick he was.
    Bunz hit and miss.
    Marincin showing some maturity.
    Klefbom making mistakes.
    Nurse not being noticeable for the right reasons.
    I haven’t noticed Khaira at all.
    Kessy looks terrible. The worst trade that may never impact the NHL roster.

  34. VanOil says:

    Kitchener,

    I see you are taking the Yakupov view of humor. Maybe Kris, like Belanger, isn’t joking!

  35. striatic says:

    this would be easier to dismiss if Klefbom and Nurse weren’t so critical to the future of the franchise.

    i mean, yes it is only one period of a meaningless game, but if these D prospects don’t progress relatively quickly, it’ll seriously set the rebuild back.

  36. gvblackhawk says:

    Musil got killed in that first period. Miller with a relatively poor performance, too. Not sure what he was doing on that 3rd goal — weak defensively.

  37. VanOil says:

    Kelfbom and Nurse look exactly like NHL Oiler defenders so far.

  38. Tarkus says:

    Bilcke and Kanzig with some scrappy-doo. Alright, we’ll call it a draw.

  39. wheatnoil says:

    You can see the year of pro in Marincin’s game. His positioning and play is stronger than the other Oilers D.

  40. Lowetide says:

    wheatnoil:
    You can see the year of pro in Marincin’s game. His positioning and play is stronger than the other Oilers D.

    Agreed. When the cobwebs come off it’s going to be fun. He’s bigger than I thought.

  41. Lowetide says:

    Chase with a nice pass to Gernat there. I like this kid.

  42. Kris11 says:

    That was the greatest goal in Oilers history.

  43. gvblackhawk says:

    Khaira with a goal for the Oilers.

  44. wheatnoil says:

    That’s exactly what Khaira’s got to do if he wants a future in the league. I’m sure the Oilers brass are happy to see that.

  45. Lowetide says:

    Khaira with the goal on a nice tip. Hadn’t done a damn thing and then bang. Hockey.

  46. Tarkus says:

    Gernat with a wrister from the blue-line that gets past Brossoit…goes off Khaira, who gets credit for the G.

  47. Rocknrolla says:

    Principe with the 3 for 1 Pizza Analogy….LOL

  48. wheatnoil says:

    Lowetide:
    Chase with a nice pass to Gernat there. I like this kid.

    Chase and Roy look pretty good actually. There might be a couple players there in a few years.

  49. Zipdot says:

    JUDGED, JURIED, AND EXECUTED

  50. flyfish1168 says:

    The Oilers only have on D-man that played in the AHL last year (Marincin) The phlagms may AHL forwards at this camp. To me Marincin has been our best d-man. Roy best forward after half a game.

  51. Kris11 says:

    Abney is beer league or worse.

  52. gvblackhawk says:

    wheatnoil,

    I agree. Too bad they have nothing to work with out there. All the ‘enforcers’ are really struggling with the hockey component of the hockey game.

  53. Kris11 says:

    Principe reminding Flames fans that the Oilers had 3 first overalls in 2007.

  54. Rocknrolla says:

    Rocknrolla:
    Principe with the 3 for 1 Pizza Analogy….LOL

    The elusive 3 for 1….it was actually about pizza LT

  55. Lowetide says:

    Christ. Europe taking a beating on the broadcast. I guess we think they play with noodles over there.

  56. Zipdot says:

    So glad to see my chosen prospect Khaira score

  57. striatic says:

    Marincin and Gernat look so much better out there than Nurse and Klefbom. makes sense given the ages and experience levels but i was kinda hoping the gap wouldn’t be so stark.

    i think we can drop any thought that Klefbom makes the NHL this season.

    i can see Marincin as an injury call up this year though.

  58. gvblackhawk says:

    Zipdot,

    He’s not afraid to go to the front of the net.

  59. Lowetide says:

    Chase is really impressing. Does a lot of things. If he continues to do this all training camp, I’ll call him Linseman.

  60. Rebilled says:

    Principe had never heard of Marc-O Roy? Wow.

  61. Lowetide says:

    Miller has played in the American hockey League?

  62. Rocknrolla says:

    Own goal….there is a god!

  63. Kris11 says:

    Nurse missed on Granlund ugly.

    Calgary guy just reenacted my life on the ice.

  64. wheatnoil says:

    And you all were worried about Ewanyk’s offensive production!

  65. Tarkus says:

    Rocknrolla:
    Own goal….there is a god!

    Ewanyk gets the credit. Culkin the debit.

  66. justDOit says:

    Lowetide:
    Miller has played in the American hockey League?

    Hmmm – well, it is a hockey league in America…

  67. Lowetide says:

    I think they should not credit anyone with a goal on a play like that. Soccer just credits the goof who did it with an own goal. It’s more accurate.

  68. fifthcartel says:

    Lowetide:
    Miller has played in the American hockey League?

    I definitely went “… what?” when he said that. Pretty sure Miller has played exclusively in the NCAA.

    Chase has been looking good, though.

  69. Tarkus says:

    Lowetide:
    I think they should not credit anyone with a goal on a play like that. Soccer just credits the goof who did it with an own goal. It’s more accurate.

    Then what would be Perry Berezan’s claim to fame?

  70. Lowetide says:

    One thing that period showed imo is that this team is loaded on the blueline. Gernat, Musil had a nice period and they’re miles behind Klefbom, Marincin on the pro depth chart. Add in Nurse–who’s a kid and it’s showing tonight, and we’re talking about some really good talent.

    Up front, I like Roy and Chase, Khaira has done little but damned if he wasn’t where he should be when the puck came to him.

  71. striatic says:

    out of all the Baby Flames, Emile Poirier is the one most likely to be dubbed Emile Perrier by Don Cherry on national television.

  72. Lowetide says:

    Tarkus: Then what would be Perry Berezan’s claim to fame?

    Asshole?

  73. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    Chase is really impressing. Does a lot of things. If he continues to do this all training camp, I’ll call him Linseman.

    Exactly what I was thinking. We can only hope.

  74. Lowetide says:

    Ohh, fun game. Future names for Don Cherry:

    1. Arnold Nurse
    2. Kelly Chase
    3. Martin Martincin
    4. Oscar KlefKlef
    5. Joojoo Kare-ah

  75. Tarkus says:

    6. Dogban Yakupov

  76. striatic says:

    7. Marcus Roy
    8. Philip Cigarette

  77. wheatnoil says:

    9. Anten Slippershev

  78. Tarkus says:

    10. Martin Garnet

  79. gvblackhawk says:

    Lowetide,

    Yes it was a better period for Gernat and Musil. I think that Todd Nelson started to lean on Marincin a bit, too. He’s been the best of the bunch tonight.

  80. gvblackhawk says:

    Monahan left alone on that goal. Some chaos from Nurse and Klefbom on that one

  81. Zipdot says:

    Tyler Bunz needs to choose a new career after this game.

  82. gvblackhawk says:

    Ben Betker is surprisingly mobile for such a big guy.

  83. Lowetide says:

    It seems like ever year Martin Gernat is a little better. Now this is 2 periods in, but lordy he’s developing into a nice hockey player.

  84. Zipdot says:

    Tyler Bunz just keeps em coming….

  85. striatic says:

    Poirier not looking like such a reach pick right now.

  86. gvblackhawk says:

    Ugh. Klefbom has to do a better job tying up the stick in front of the net.

  87. Lowetide says:

    Marco Roy -3 and he’s been the best forward to my eye. Him or Chase.

  88. Lowetide says:

    Greg Chase is my first star of the game after that stick edge thing. Hahahaa.

  89. Zipdot says:

    LOL Greg Chase, awesome

  90. Kris11 says:

    Yayy, an Abney penalty. He will really help OKC lose games if they play him, which they won’t.

    Give his spot to a walk-on player.

  91. Lowetide says:

    Cameron Abney. fin.

  92. wheatnoil says:

    If Chase plays like he has in this game, it’ll take all of 1.5 periods for him to be a Oilers-fan-favourite!

  93. Kris11 says:

    Abney is a bad player for an enforcer. Sad. That was one of the worst picks ever and we all, universally, knew it. (Except the people who didn’t.)

  94. Lowetide says:

    nice play by Miller there.

  95. wheatnoil says:

    Nice job drawing a penalty by Miller.

  96. Zipdot says:

    God, what I would give for Laurent Broissoit as a prospect

  97. Lowetide says:

    Miller another nice play.

  98. wheatnoil says:

    Zipdot:
    God, what I would give for Laurent Broissoit as a prospect

    I wonder why the Oilers didn’t invite Olivier Roy to the tournament.

  99. gvblackhawk says:

    Lowetide,

    Took him a couple of periods to get going. Looked way better in the third. Some great backchecking and a few nice offensive plays.

  100. Lowetide says:

    gvblackhawk:
    Lowetide,

    Took him a couple of periods to get going.Looked way better in the third.Some great backchecking and a few nice offensive plays.

    Agreed. I’m walking away from tonight giving a gold star to Chase, a nod to Roy and to Khaira (who has done a few nice things since the goal) and to Miller (good third as you mention).

    The blue: Marincin very good, Klefbom better later on, and I like Gernat’s game too.

    Bunz was not good overall. Two bad goals imo and that’s not good enough. I went into this tournament wondering about the goaltending and would hope Rimmer gets the Saturday start.

    Abney isn’t the only guy who was outclassed, but man he doesn’t make it easy on himself.

  101. wheatnoil says:

    Judging only by this game, I’d say Klefbom has a lot of tools but should be starting in the AHL, with Marincin / Fedun as the first call-up.

  102. Zipdot says:

    We knew the forwards wouldn’t be great… But the defense was a bit of a letdown too.. Marincin and Gernat were all right. I don’t really see too many players, though.

  103. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: Agreed. I’m walking away from tonight giving a gold star to Chase, a nod to Roy and to Khaira (who has done a few nice things since the goal) and to Miller (good third as you mention).

    The blue: Marincin very good, Klefbom better later on, and I like Gernat’s game too.

    Bunz was not good overall. Two bad goals imo and that’s not good enough. I went into this tournament wondering about the goaltending and would hope Rimmer gets the Saturday start.

    Abney isn’t the only guy who was outclassed, but man he doesn’t make it easy on himself.

    Your take on Nurse? He’s getting pilloried over at FN, and I missed big chunks of the game.

  104. Hammers says:

    Lowetide:
    It seems like ever year Martin Gernat is a little better. Now this is 2 periods in, but lordy he’s developing into a nice hockey player.

    Unfortunately or maybe fortunately our “D” looks promising but our forwards , maybe Roy makes it. They need to split Klefbom from Nurse who will go back to junior .The 2 everyone talks about maybe show the least .

  105. Zipdot says:

    Klefbust

  106. Melman says:

    Zipdot:
    God, what I would give for Laurent Broissoit as a prospect

    Too bad the Oilers never had a chance to take a good look at him

  107. Lowetide says:

    RexLibris: Your take on Nurse? He’s getting pilloried over at FN, and I missed big chunks of the game.

    He wasn’t good. I think they rotated him out a little, struggled. Took two penalties and I think he might have gotten down on himself a little. It’s all good, they’re just kids. He said he was nervous, so he probably spent his energy before game time.

  108. Lowetide says:

    Zipdot:
    Klefbust

    Really?

  109. fifthcartel says:

    So to sum up tonight – yay Chase, booooo Abney.

  110. Kris11 says:

    Nurse I’m not worried about. You know D at that age often become a mess against older, veteran opposition. (The pure offense D, a little less so, but you get the point.)

    A little more worried about Klefbom. He hasn’t played much. Could’ve lost a lot. Or maybe just a one-off, weak game. We’ll see.

  111. gvblackhawk says:

    Lowetide,

    The forward group taken as a whole was (predictably) awful tonight. No sustained offensive pressure. Hardly any controlled zone entries.

    I hope this reinforces the ‘grit without skill is unacceptable’ mantra for MacT.

  112. BlacqueJacque says:

    Lowetide: Really?

    Strong comment, but “not NHL ready” is a fair one, at least judging by one night’s performance.

  113. striatic says:

    tonight’s game was a good illustration of why drafting defense in the first round of a draft can be problematic.

    compare Nurse to Monahan. who would you rather have in your system for the next couple years?

    Nurse is drafted one spot behind Monahan and you can really see the drop off when they are playing against similar levels of competition. Even Poirier had more of an impact on this game than Nurse.

  114. Zipdot says:

    Lowetide: Zipdot:
    Klefbust

    Really?

    No, but my finger is on the trigger. :)

  115. wheatnoil says:

    Zipdot:
    Klefbust

    Kris11:

    A little more worried about Klefbom. He hasn’t played much. Could’ve lost a lot. Or maybe just a one-off, weak game. We’ll see.

    The thing about young defensemen is that you expect a few bonehead plays early in their career. It’s a tough damn position and even once they legitimately earn an NHL roster spot, they are prone to a bad play or two a game. There’s a whole ton of D-men we’re watching over the next few days here and one game does not make the whole. Especially when we’re considering a young D in his first North American game ever and his first hockey game in 10 months or so.

    The nice thing about the Oilers situation is that they actually have defensive depth (Hallelujah!). It’s clear that he has the tools. Nice mobility, a nice pass, reasonable size… he’s got the pieces. If he spends 1/2 a year or a full year in the AHL, the Oilers actually have depth to accommodate that. No rush.

    Of course, he may turn it up over the next three weeks as he shakes off the rust and be pushing a roster spot by the end of September, who the hell knows.

  116. Lowetide says:

    gvblackhawk:
    Lowetide,

    The forward group taken as a whole was (predictably) awful tonight.No sustained offensive pressure.Hardly any controlled zone entries.

    I hope this reinforces the ‘grit without skill is unacceptable’ mantra for MacT.

    Yeah, agreed. I felt there was going to be problems when I saw the lines. There is skill here (Roy, Khaira, Miller, Chase) but they weren’t really playing together. The Roy line got killed by an older, more established line and that’s all she wrote.

  117. wheatnoil says:

    gvblackhawk:

    The forward group taken as a whole was (predictably) awful tonight.No sustained offensive pressure.Hardly any controlled zone entries.

    I hope this reinforces the ‘grit without skill is unacceptable’ mantra for MacT.

    There’s some bad luck here with Rajala not being a part of the system anymore, but it’s pretty damning on Tambellini that the best forwards in this game for the Oilers were Chase and Roy… two of the youngest forwards on the team and both MacT draft picks.

  118. gvblackhawk says:

    Kris11,

    I think it’s pretty tough to draw any real conclusions on Klefbom from tonight’s performance, other than the fact that he needs some seasoning in the AHL. I think that the quality of teammates on the ice had a big negative impact on him. For example, the wingers who couldn’t move the puck out of the Dzone. I’m sure a rookie defensive partner didn’t help him either. He also made some errors that are easy to correct (turnovers, failing to tie up his man in front of the net –> goal).

    I would expect him to play much better going forward.

  119. B S says:

    God, 5-2. Any other time in the season and I would have turned it off in frustration, but I must really miss hockey.

    Khaira and Chase were my picks for decent forwards (Khaira couldn’t seem to cycle, but he was the only Oiler who could sustain a forecheck all game), Roy was good in the 1st and early 2nd, until he got the toughs, definitely looked like a prospect with real potential though.

    The two slovakians were the best d-men on the ice, and Marincin looked like a real hockey player out there, and the only d-man on the ice who deserve a look at the NHL. Extrapolating from a single game after months of nothing, and involving a bunch of rookies, I will be absolutely disgusted if Klefbom is anywhere near Marincin on the depth chart. Even Gernat showed better than Klefbom and Nurse.

    Flames scored 3 of their goals on 2nd+ chances, not Bunz’s fault, the D’s fault for not clearing the damn crease. I thought Bunz played well for a goalie hung out to dry, but seriously needs to work on his recovery and lateral movement if he’s going to be a pro.

  120. Lowetide says:

    I don’t think we can make any decisions on the actual prospects based on one night. I do think that Klefbom looked rusty, and that Abney is in trouble as a hockey player. On the plus side, Marincin looked like he could play two games and still be fresh, and perhaps he ends up being the guy who pushes this winter.

    But it’s early.

  121. Numenius says:

    It’s important to remember that Klefbom hasn’t played a real hockey game since last October. That’s 11 months ago. Likely all of the other players played into the Spring (only 2 1/2 months ago for some).

  122. B S says:

    gvblackhawk,

    I don’t think he can play much worse (well, ok, there’s always worse), two consecutive passes up the middle on the same play, both resulting in turnovers and the second resulting in a goal. I can forgive some lack of skill, or coordination, but not stupidity (not for at least the next 2 hours anyway). I certainly hope he gets better, and I still expect both him and Nurse to have legitimate shots at NHL careers, but nothing I saw tonight tells me that Klefbom should even be a callup this season, let alone have been given assurances of NHL ice time (Tambellini last season).

  123. Rocknrolla says:

    gvblackhawk:
    Kris11,

    I think it’s pretty tough to draw any real conclusions on Klefbom from tonight’s performance, other than the fact that he needs some seasoning in the AHL. I think that the quality of teammates on the ice had a big negative impact on him.For example, the wingers who couldn’t move the puck out of the Dzone.I’m sure a rookie defensive partner didn’t help him either.He also made some errors that are easy to correct (turnovers, failing to tie up his man in front of the net –> goal).

    I would expect him to play much better going forward.

    Agreed…the kid hasn’t played in 11 months too!

    I think the best news is that the oilers have 8 NHL D at main camp already, and we don’t NEED him to make the club (see 2010-2012). Great moves by MacT to add depth which will allow KlefBomb to season in AHL and play <25 games and save us a year off the ELC.

    Thank god we are in this position!

  124. Lowetide says:

    striatic:
    tonight’s game was a good illustration of why drafting defense in the first round of a draft can be problematic.

    compare Nurse to Monahan. who would you rather have in your system for the next couple years?

    Nurse is drafted one spot behind Monahan and you can really see the drop off when they are playing against similar levels of competition. Even Poirier had more of an impact on this game than Nurse.

    This is true. And it is a big consideration, or should be. But we should remember the Oilers didn’t have a chance at Monahan (but could have drafted Nichushkin).

  125. russ99 says:

    Yeah, Klefbom hasn’t played since October. I’m really interested to see how he looks after a season in the AHL. He may look better than Marincin looked tonight next year at this time.

    Also, Nurse isn’t really ready for this level. But the Oilers think that if he gets pushed now, it could really kickstart his development during his third year in the Soo.

    He’s also 4 months younger and one full OHL season behind Monahan.

  126. Bank Shot says:

    Lowetide:
    I don’t think we can make any decisions on the actual prospects based on one night. I do think that Klefbom looked rusty, and that Abney is in trouble as a hockey player. On the plus side, Marincin looked like he could play two games and still be fresh, and perhaps he ends up being the guy who pushes this winter.

    But it’s early.

    You should share that nugget of wisdom with Mact who apparently made up his mind about Klefbom based on one play.

  127. RexLibris says:

    Spent some time discussing the game with Flames fans and their take (for what its worth) on the Oilers’ prospects were that Marincin is Babchuk, Nurse is a massive bust, Bunz couldn’t stop a beachball and Chase is a jerk.

    So that probably answers the first part of my statement (“for what it is worth”), which is a good reminder to me not to take this one game too seriously regardless of whether we’d won or lost.

  128. Lowetide says:

    Bank Shot: You should share that nugget of wisdom with Mact who apparently made up his mind about Klefbom based on one play.

    Won’t do any good, he won’t take my calls!

  129. Manitoba Oilers says:

    Would have liked to see Yakimov Slepyshev andZharkov but KHL camps /Games/whatever they have
    IMO drafting for size will never work
    We should have drafted Frk over Moroz
    I think drafting next year should be focused on guys like Roy and Chase
    Also stop drafting oil kings just because there oil kings

  130. wheatnoil says:

    RexLibris:
    Spent some time discussing the game with Flames fans and their take (for what its worth) on the Oilers’ prospects were that… Chase is a jerk.

    Flames fans think he’s a jerk already? That man is going to have a bright future as an Oiler!

  131. sliderule says:

    I think we have to relax a bit about rookie games.

    I remember Hall in his first rookie game having a stick take his feet out from under him on his very first face-off He was like Bambi in that game.

    With most of the forwards being really young and no AHL experience the defence seemed to spend most of their time in their own end.

    I guess the positive would be it was a great learning lesson for the young defenders like Nurse and Klefbom.The more experienced Marcinin looked good under the pressure .

    The next game will tell us a little more but keep in mind that defenders who play a lot of game in their own end are not going to shine.

  132. justDOit says:

    Lowetide: Won’t do any good, he won’t take my calls!

    Did you get that cease and desist order too?

  133. Manitoba Oilers says:

    RexLibris:
    Spent some time discussing the game with Flames fans and their take (for what its worth) on the Oilers’ prospects were that Marincin is Babchuk, Nurse is a massive bust, Bunz couldn’t stop a beachball and Chase is a jerk.

    So that probably answers the first part of my statement (“for what it is worth”), which is a good reminder to me not to take this one game too seriously regardless of whether we’d won or lost.

    Hopefully prove they prove them wrong in the split squad games

  134. Amadeus says:

    Hi guys. I missed the part where Chase was being a jerk.
    Can someone explain to me what he did?

  135. B S says:

    Lowetide,

    Maybe, but he’s supposed to be the most NHL ready of all of them, yet he isn’t ahead of Marincin, or Gernat. Media and Mact have been handing him a shot at the 3rd pairing ahead of all the other defensive prospects so I think it’s fair to expect him to show well at this tournament, at least as good as any other d-man on any of the teams here. More importantly his skill set isn’t what is supposed to set him apart, Both Marincin and Gernat are smooth skaters, and boast more offense, so his decision-making and timing and positioning need to be exceptional. I know it was only one game (hey, MacT only needed one shift, I gave Klefbom the whole game, as did the coach, hence 5 goals against), but only Nurse was worse this game. Nurse has time and enough of a track record that I’m not worried about him figuring out the pro game yet, but Klefbom’s game only seems to exist in myths and legends. I’m really hoping to see him prove me wrong this weekend.

  136. B S says:

    RexLibris:

    So that probably answers the first part of my statement (“for what it is worth”), which is a good reminder to me not to take this one game too seriously regardless of whether we’d won or lost.

    Darn it Rex, this game is all we have so far. Don’t worry though, we’ll average it out so that it will only seem a quarter as important after the UofA game.

  137. justDOit says:

    Amadeus:
    Hi guys. I missed the part where Chase was being a jerk.
    Can someone explain to me what he did?

    I think it was when he came out wearing that Oiler jersey.

  138. Lowetide says:

    B S:
    Lowetide,

    Maybe, but he’s supposed to be the most NHL ready of all of them, yet he isn’t ahead of Marincin, or Gernat. Media and Mact have been handing him a shot at the 3rd pairing ahead of all the other defensive prospects so I think it’s fair to expect him to show well at this tournament, at least as good as any other d-man on any of the teams here. More importantly his skill set isn’t what is supposed to set him apart, Both Marincin and Gernat are smooth skaters, and boast more offense, so his decision-making and timing and positioning need to be exceptional. I know it was only one game (hey, MacT only needed one shift, I gave Klefbom the whole game, as did the coach, hence 5 goals against), but only Nurse was worse this game. Nurse has time and enough of a track record that I’m not worried about him figuring out the pro game yet, but Klefbom’s game only seems to exist in myths and legends. I’m really hoping to see him prove me wrong this weekend.

    It’s one rookie game. There’s no way we can make sweeping statements after one pre-season rookie tournament game.

  139. B S says:

    Crashed the goalie a couple of times then tried to feed wood to a flame, all the time with this taunting, smug look on his face.

  140. russ99 says:

    I’m hoping many of these guys get the message and realize pro hockey is no cakewalk.

    Should be a more interesting game against a similarly inexperienced Winnipeg rookie team on Saturday, although Schiefele and Trouba probably will run circles around some of these guys.

  141. Lowetide says:

    Amadeus:
    Amadeus says: (Edit)
    September 5, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    Hi guys. I missed the part where Chase was being a jerk.

    Chase was jamming the front of the net and two Flames corralled him and gave him a face wash. Chase took the blade of his stick and showed it to the Flame–UP CLOSE! It was a total ass move, and I loved it!

  142. Lowetide says:

    justDOit: Did you get that cease and desist order too?

    Yes. And some Prem! Strange, but nice.

  143. Numenius says:

    striatic:
    tonight’s game was a good illustration of why drafting defense in the first round of a draft can be problematic.

    compare Nurse to Monahan. who would you rather have in your system for the next couple years?

    Nurse is drafted one spot behind Monahan and you can really see the drop off when they are playing against similar levels of competition. Even Poirier had more of an impact on this game than Nurse.

    It’s interesting that the OHL Prospects scout directly compared Nurse and Monahan before the draft and said that Nurse was better:

    “At this point, Nurse is definitely my top prospect available from the OHL. All season long, I wrestled back and forth between Monahan and Nurse. But it’s clearly Nurse now IMO.”

    I’m assuming he meant that Nurse’s long term upside is better than Monohan’s, not that he is currently a better prospect, though. Hopefully that’s the case, because we sure didn’t see Nurse outshining Monahan at this game.

  144. B S says:

    Lowetide,

    You’re wrong, we CAN make any sweeping statements we want, the question is SHOULD we? 1 game is more than 1 shift mind you, and almost the entirety of the support for Klefbom (his SEL #s are decent not fantastic) is based on even less viewing time than I had tonight.

    I guess I’m just irked but all the talk of breaking Klefbom into the big leagues this season, when no-one has seen him play consistent, pro-level defense in the last 2 years. Part of the Oilers problem the last several years is that they are always trying to develop NHL rookies each season. Rookies, especially D-men, can’t hack the toughs unless they are given sheltered minutes to learn the timings and positioning, the Oilers still don’t have the depth (especially on D) to cover for a rookie while winning games. If the Oil are breaking in a bunch of rookies again this season (Klefbom, Belov, Joenssu is still an unknown at the pro level as well) then they will have a hard time making the playoffs again.

  145. Young Oil says:

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=431253

    Why is Kevin Lowe saying this after getting killed by the Flames over the majority of the past five years? It seems like his six Stanley Cup rings are plugging his eyes…

  146. spoiler says:

    First off let me say that the South Okanagan Events Centre is a truly top class arena for the Junior level… luxury boxes, club seating, lounge with a view for the club seating, the BC Hockey Hall of Fame… and all very new. Lovely venue.

    And that was about as good as it got.

    Blech, what a non-hockey game.

    Only one forward put in a performance worth mentioning. . Khaira. He was by far, and I am serious it wasn’t even close, by far the best forward on the ice for the Oil. He looks like he already has pro size and strength, and worked his butt off at the Center position, back-checking hard when necessary and always got involved in puck battles, where he was a real bull. We might have a future NHLer on our hands here. He needs to work on his conditioning a little as he slowed at the end of his shifts, but he was putting out enormous effort on the ice today.

    Other than that, our forwards absolutely sucked,with at least one out-and-out lugnut on every line. We couldn’t match the Flames forwards for talent and speed. The Monahan-Poirier line was having their way with us every shift.

    If I had to, I would probably give an honorable mention to Chase, and I’d like to see what Roy can do with better linemates, cause he skated miles with no results, but the entire rest of the forward crew was very disappointing and playiing out of their league. Ewanyk was probably the best of the rest.

    Kessey was hugely disappointing, I think Abney probably has more hockey sense. Miler, too, I thought would play much better against this level of comp. Guys like Houck, Fyten, Bilcke, Schaber were where hockey plays went to die. Just awful.

    But we weren’t there for the forwards, we were there for the D…

    Betker was a massive surprise for me, not knowing much about him coming in. He and Marincin were Nelson’s go-to pairing all game, and they were our best pairing in the game. He’s a huge body that skates well, plays great positionally, and with aggression. His weaknesses are taking and making a pass, although our iron-handed forwards blew a few of his outlets. Played the left side paired with Marincin.

    Marincin played a solid game. Without him and Betker, the Flames could have had 10 today. He needs to be a little smarter with the puck in the Ozone, but considering the Oil were in the Flames end for about 5 minutes out of 60, I’m going to say the sample size was too small. He didn’t look that good on the PPs, but he was out there with Gernat who made some questionable decisions.

    Gernat… I can see why people want to convert him to wing. He’s okay defensively, but cheats a shitload for offense. The funny thins is, despite his offensive instincts, on the 5 on 3 he couldn’t get off a decent shot. The shot that Khaira tipped in for the goal was a lovely hard wrister, which is what Gernat should have used. He has a huge back swing on his slap shot that can be seen coming a mile away by opposing forwards. Played the left side, paired with Musil, except on the PP where they flipped him to the right side and added Marincin on his left.

    Musil… If this kid is an Oiler property in two years, I’ll be stunned. Easily the slowest guy on the ice and was getting burned on sorties left, right and centre. Should not be allowed to pinch, ever. He does some nice things away from the puck and knows where to stand, but standing is close to his top speed. Transplant his brains into better feet and there’d be a hockey player there. As it stands, there isn’t.

    Nurse… Can certainly lay a big hit, but really he played most of the night with little intensity, almost as if he was playing not to get hurt, like he just wanted to get back to his junior squad because this was really a meaningless game for him. There’s a real player under that nonchalance though as he showed us glimpses when the play forced him to turn it on. Quiet feet and played almost the whole game with his head up. Played the left side paired with Klefbom.

    Klefbom… should have been the star of the show, but wasn’t. He looked game-rusty to me, trying to do too much, But most of his decision-making tonight was either ineffectual or just downright wrong. His skating is exceptional but he looks like he could add some strength.

    In fact all the Oiler D, with the possible exception of Betker, really struggled with clearing the crease, tonight.

    Anyhoo, that was the view from Row 7, centre ice of a truly wonderful facility.

  147. Numenius says:

    About the Winnipeg game, I’ll get my prediction out of the way now: We will get destroyed.

    Our forwards don’t have the skill to compete with them.

  148. Lowetide says:

    One game people. It’s less than zero in the long view.

  149. fifthcartel says:

    Any chance they sign one of the goalies they invited? Especially with how little goalie prospects they have?

  150. B S says:

    Lowetide,

    but we don’t have a long view, all we have is one game and we need to make it count for at least 48hrs.

  151. bookje says:

    Lowetide:
    One game people. It’s less than zero in the long view.

    Remember that year when the Oilers won 8 of 8 preseason games and the something like 8 of 40 real games.

    Preseason performance doesn’t matter. Pre-preseason is probably less relevant.

  152. bookje says:

    Remember that time Woodguy bet his house and beer on a preseason game that was a ‘sure thing’ because one team was all NHLers and the other was ECHLers?

    Preseason is crazytime – the ECHLers won.

    Preseason means nothing.

  153. wheatnoil says:

    bookje:
    Remember that time Woodguy bet his house and beer on a preseason game that was a ‘sure thing’ because one team was all NHLers and the other was ECHLers?

    Preseason is crazytime – the ECHLers won.

    Preseason means nothing.

    We’re talking about preseason man. What are we talking about? Preseaon? We’re talking about preseason, man!

  154. Lowetide says:

    Kyle Bigos looks good on the SJS blue right now. He’s huge!

  155. Lois Lowe says:

    EVERYBODY PANIC!

    The Oilers prospect depth at forward has been identified as a weakness all summer. The D will get better in time.

  156. Ribs says:

    I blame Simeon Rottier.

    Only caught the third period. Does it look like Roy can shoot at all? That seemed to be missing from his repetoire in his highlight videos.

  157. G Money says:

    1. I’m positive things would have been different with Moroz out there. Guy’s a difference maker.

    2. There is no such thing as rust. If Klefbom didn’t look good out there, it’s because he sucks.

    3. There is no such thing as nerves. If Nurse didn’t look good out there, it’s because he sucks.

    4. Therefore, clearly all that D depth we’ve been talking about is a mirage. One rookie camp preseason game – the first one as a matter of fact – *is* enough to assess how a defenseman will develop over the next one to four years. Trade them all. Time to rebuild.

    Did I miss anything?

  158. B S says:

    G Money,

    Nope, you pretty much nailed it.

  159. Lowetide says:

    Ribs: Great question, don’t know the answer.

    G Money: Exactly!

  160. 719 says:

    Roy and Chase were impressive. Marincin I liked. Klefbom looked like a guy who hadn’t played hockey in 10 months, so not too concerned.

    The guy I was really impressed with was Khaira. He was impossible to miss. Love how he has a knack of being in the right places and is not afraid of going to the dirty areas. Needs to work on his footspeed and conditioning, but the Oilers seem to have a player there.

  161. 719 says:

    I also wanted to point out that in NHL.com’s top 40 fantasy players at each forward position, the Oilers’ scored two forwards in each of the 40 rankings. Taylor Hall and David Perron both made the left wing list (with Hall topping the list), Eberle and Yakupov both made the right wing list, Ganger and RNH both made the centre list. What does it mean? A top 6 that is an actual NHL top 6 (at least according to NHL.com’s staff writers)!

  162. dessert1111 says:

    Just wanted to thank spoiler for his in-person analysis! Read all of it and much appreciated.

  163. flyfish1168 says:

    The Phlagms had three players with NHL experience at this tournament, Bartchi, Rienhart, and Hanowski. They brought Granlund and Ramage that are seasoned AHL players. We didn’t have any player with any NHL experience and on Defense only Marincin has AHL experience. Our forwards and goaltending was weak going in and it showed. Our coveted defensemen didn’t have a chance. Phlagms forwards should be ahead of our defensemen in the development time since most of the damaged was done by their pro players.

  164. Lowetide says:

    Wanted to throw my thanks to spOILer as well. Very cool to have a bird’s eye.

  165. gvblackhawk says:

    Lowetide,

    Absolutely. And we’ve been so focused on the Oilers’ ineptitude tonight, that we have not mentioned the quality of competition that they were facing.

    The Flames top line had Sven Baertschi (25 NHL games) and Max Reinhart (11 NHL games). Add Ben Hanowski (5 NHL games).

    Borderline cheating in this tournament. The vast majority of players have zero NHL experience. The other teams who brought a ringer were Vancouver with Nicklas Jensen (2 NHL games) and Winnipeg with Mark Scheifele (11 NHL games).

  166. Zack says:

    Great game review spOiler, it’s good to get feedback from a live viewing! Do you live in Penticton?

  167. Numenius says:

    I too loved the game recap, SpOiler. Thanks a lot.

  168. Bruce McCurdy says:

    B S: then tried to feed wood to a flame

    Haha, this works on so many levels.

  169. Genjutsu says:

    Key to remember that big men take more time to develop, they always have and always will. Giving up on a Cam Neeley is what desperate crap teams do. Patience with these kids. It’s game one playing men in North America for a lot of these guys.

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