LINES 13-14

I really don’t know why we bother. We spend at least part of the summer talking about lines and then 5 minutes after the opening faceoff at the Joey Moss they’re in the dumpster and Toby Petersen is on the powerplay. What makes sense?

lebowski

I think it’s cool to start with pairs (this assumes RNH is unready to start the season):

C L R
HALL EBERLE
GAGNER YAKUPOV
GORDON HEMSKY
SMYTH JONES

And then decide who is best suited to fill in the blanks based on training camp. My picks for completion by line are:

  • David Perron, who would fit on either of the top 2lines and probably do well on the 3line. Let’s put him with Hall and Ebs.
  • Jesse Joensuu, who has some 2-way ability based on what we read and some skill, might work well with the Gagner-Yakupov duo. He won’t be trying to carry the puck and he can drive to the net while the other two do their wizardry.
  • Linus Omark or Ryan Hamilton might work well for the Gordon-Hemsky duo. Omark would be good for the offensive opportunities and getting Ryan Hamilton to the front of the net (where he might block out the sun) and winning puck battles might help Hemsky in a Ryan Smyth kind of way.
  • Anton Lander. Smyth-Jones always post insane WOWY’s and Lander appeared to have some chem with Smyth last season.
C L R
HALL  DAVID PERRON EBERLE
GAGNER  JESSE JOENSUU YAKUPOV
GORDON  LINUS OMARK/RYAN HAMILTON HEMSKY
ANTON LANDER SMYTH JONES

Oilers wouldn’t have a lot of depth (aside from Arcobello, Mike Brown, etc) but when RNH gets back they could send someone out. This seems to be the best deployment (the more traditional way would be to place Hemsky on the Gagner line with Yakupov and that’s fine too) but  at least for a time they might as well see what they have in Joensuu, Hamilton and Omark.

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41 Responses to "LINES 13-14"

  1. sliderule says:

    The lack of news on RNH seems rather ominous .

    Has he been skating?

  2. Lowetide says:

    sliderule:
    The lack of news on RNH seems rather ominous .

    Has he been skating?

    No one has said a thing. We’re a week away, suspect we’ll get a TC roster soon too. The lack of news on both fronts suggests there’s news on the way, good or bad.

  3. Captain Smarmy says:

    A timely topic might be what Edmonton has done to incur the wrath of God on the Eskimos and coupled it with the greatest start in Rider history! (Your wife might be interested in the topic as well)

  4. russ99 says:

    LOL. the 4th line is the only one that makes sense.

    Until RNH is back I see this: (centers first)

    Gagner, Hall, Eberle
    Gordon, Perron, Yakupov
    Acton, Omark, Hemsky
    Lander, Smyth, Jones

    After RNH is back, then we go with:

    RNH, Hall, Eberle
    Gagner, Perron, Yakupov
    Gordon, Omark, Hemsky
    Lander/Acton (winner), Smyth, Jones

    Joensuu or Hamilton could end up in the 3rd line winger spot, but I think Omark comes in with razor focus and locks down that roster spot.

  5. Thinker says:

    Once rnh is back, i think the lines should look like this.
    Hall gagner yakupov (looked good late, should be able to play pvp, yak improved alot defensively and will continue)

    Perron rnh eberle (rnh plus ebs have best chem on the team, and a big man with defensive skills will give them a better chance to work their magic. Can massacre seconds or go pvp)

    Omark gordon Hemsky (hard to throw omark in there, but he’s the only guy who can truly complete 3 scoring lines. Hemsky and gordon are both good defensively, but the 3line will be leaned on less with the defensive step forward by the top 2 lines so its not like omark has to be superb. Outscore 3rds, and shutdown 2nds)

    Smyth Lander Jones ( sub lander for whoever wins tc, but smyth jones reunite. Some young blood has to start entering the bottom six for the future. Smyth and jones will work hard and take punishment, and lander should be able to find his legs in the bigs. Better be able to outscore 4ths and if lander proves himself see a little shutdown time against thirds.

    Eager/brown joensuu (eager is better offensively(if he can prove it remains to be seen), but expect brown to win the day for grit without being a complete idiot. Joensuu could beat out omark, but if the goal is to get offense in the bottom six, I think he struggles to play. Plus I’m not sure omark resigns unless given a real chance. Joensuu and brown swap out wings against bigger opponents with low scoring 4lines. If joensuu is a player, expect jones to be traded, or even hemsky, and everone moves up. Should outscore weak 4lines)

    Btw gilbert is still out there, it would be nice to see
    JShultz smid
    Gilbert petry
    Shultz grebeshkov
    Belov

  6. Rocknrolla says:

    Thinker:
    Once rnh is back, i think the lines should look like this.
    Hall gagner yakupov (looked good late, should be able to play pvp, yak improved alot defensively and will continue)

    Perron rnh eberle (rnh plus ebs have best chem on the team, and a big man with defensive skills will give them a better chance to work their magic. Can massacre seconds or go pvp)

    Omark gordon Hemsky (hard to throw omark in there, but he’s the only guy who can truly complete 3 scoring lines. Hemsky and gordon are both good defensively, but the 3line will be leaned on less with the defensive step forward by the top 2 lines so its not like omark has to be superb. Outscore 3rds, and shutdown 2nds)

    Smyth Lander Jones ( sub lander for whoever wins tc, but smyth jones reunite. Some young blood has to start entering the bottom six for the future. Smyth andjones will work hard and take punishment, and lander should be able to find his legs in the bigs. Better be able to outscore 4ths and if lander proves himself see a little shutdown time against thirds.

    Eager/brown joensuu (eager is better offensively(if he can prove it remains to be seen), but expect brown to win the day for grit without being a complete idiot. Joensuu could beat out omark, but if the goal is to get offense in the bottom six, I think he struggles to play. Plus I’m not sure omark resigns unless given a real chance. Joensuu and brown swap out wings against bigger opponents with low scoring 4lines. If joensuu is a player, expect jones to be traded, or even hemsky, and everone moves up. Should outscore weak 4lines)

    Btw gilbert is still out there, it would be nice to see
    JShultz smid
    Gilbert petry
    Shultz grebeshkov
    Belov

    No ference?

  7. Gi JQE says:

    Has anyone have any clue what happened to Gilbert ??? Seemed solid here… then fell off a cliff? Or out of favour ?

    LT I think your lines are reasonable with what may happen. I wouldn’t mind omark or hemsky being showcased a bit more until rnh is back . Then maybe a trade ?

  8. Thinker says:

    Rocknrolla,

    Oh yeah, i keep forgetting him. In that case.
    Smid JShultz (smid helps jshultz learn to play top pair)
    Gilbert Petry (all around range of skills 2nd pair)
    Shultz Ference (Shutdown pair)
    Grebishkov/Belov (Suspect Belov is better, but who knows)

  9. jdrevenge1 says:

    I totally get the logic in having Perron on the top line. RNH, Ebs and Hall are so strong at cycling however and from what I remember of omark he was also pretty strong at digging pucks out along the wall and keeping possession.

    I honestly wouldn’t be surprised to see him slot in on the 1 line to mitigate some of the 93 loss and see perron balance things out a bit on the 3 line. That said I have no idea what kind of game Perron plays, north south, down low etc….

  10. 8p0intgame says:

    How about…
    Gagner-Hall-Eberle
    RNH-Omark-Yakupov
    Gordon-Perron-Hemsky
    Lander-Smyth-Jones

  11. Hammers says:

    Why don’t they just leave the 2nd, 3rd & 4th lines the way they would if RNH was there . Then decide who goes with Hall & Ebs untill RNH is back . Lets the players build some chemistry . Having said that supposedly Eakins likes pairs and slots others with them . Those pairs can be your exact 1st chart .Perron with Gags line; Joensuu with Gordons line ; Lander with Smyths line .Omark with Halls line .

  12. Jordan says:

    Thinker,

    Apparently someone doesn’t like either of the prominent captain suggestions – No Gagner or Ferrence.

    Gilbert is not coming to Edmonton. The Oilers already have enough D depth, and don’t need him or his epic question mark – no one knows what to expect of him.

    Smid Petry – Balance!
    Ferrence Jultz – Chaos & safety blanket
    Potter Belov – Solid 3rd + World-class russian
    Grebs Larsen – A pair that can skate, make and take a pass – can they play NHL level D?

    Regardless of whether you like any specific combination, this lineup is deep, versitle and mobile (Ferrence excepted – don’t think I’ve ever heard him described as “fleet of foot”. But he can make and take a pass, so hopefully it’s not painful).

    WRT the forwards… from what I’ve heard about the Eak, I’m not sure there will be lines. Sounds like a lot of MacBlender.

    Regardless of who slots in where, I think there will be a deep forwards pool who will always be a threat to score.

    Which will be a wonderful change, no?

  13. striatic says:

    “Jesse Joensuu, who has some 2-way ability based on what we read and some skill, might work well with the Gagner-Yakupov duo. He won’t be trying to carry the puck and he can drive to the net while the other two do their wizardry.”

    i think this is what OTC was thinking putting Crazytrain on the first line.

  14. russ99 says:

    Jordan,

    Potter’s going to need to have a heck of a camp to stick.

    Right or wrong, he’s a Tambellini/Renney guy, and MacT didn’t bring in all those other defensemen in to hand Potter a bottom-pairing role.

    IMO, the top 4 are set with:
    Smid – Petry
    Ference – J Schultz.

    I rank the rest this way:
    1. N. Schultz – A different player without playing “mop-up rookie Justin’s mistakes”.
    2. Belov – MacT didn’t bring him in to sit.
    3. Larsen – Has some upside – the rest don’t, except for Belov.
    4. Grebeshkov – Who knows what we’re getting from this guy?
    5. Potter – As above. Wouldn’t be a bad extra player, but IMO he’s press-box material at best. But it’s possible Grebeshkov gets that role due to MacT’s familiarity with him.

    One of the biggest goals of training camp is to figure out all these guys and where they eventually land.

  15. russ99 says:

    IMO, expected salary is the real reason why Gilbert hasn’t been picked up, but his own-zone play doesn’t help.

    Players that are younger, better and with higher-upside get the prime roles as puck-movers.

  16. striatic says:

    russ99: 4. Grebeshkov – Who knows what we’re getting from this guy?

    the closer we get to TC, the more Grebeshkov seems like a PTO for a guy who wouldn’t come over for a PTO, so you had to give him a contract.

    the thing is, if the team elects to carry 8 D, Potter only has to beat one other guy to make the team. Grebeshkov and Larsen are certainly beatable.

  17. stener says:

    Has it been established that Hall will be starting the year as 1C or will one of Miller or Arco get a chance to crack the lineup playing soft comp with Gagner at 1C while Nuge heals?

    I can’t say I’m a big fan of either situation. Here’s to hoping the skill on port and starboard can help alleviate the club’s deficiencies at center ice.

  18. rickithebear says:

    Amen to pairs:
    Of current oilers 180 min (Approx 15 games)
    the top resutts from WOW last 3 years.:

    1. Smyth-Eberle +0.843 GD/20
    2. Smyth-Gagner +0.772 GD/20
    —————————————————-+5GD/10GM
    —————————————————- +4GD/10GM3
    3. Jones-Eager +0.481 GD/20
    —————————————————- +3GD/10GM
    4. Smyth-RNH +0.433 GD/20
    ————————————————— +2GD/10GM
    5. RNH-Eberle +0.211 GD/20
    6. Hall-RNH +0.155 GD/20
    ——————————————————- +1G/10Gm
    7. RNH-Hemsky +0.095 GD/20
    8. Hall-Eberle +0.084 GD/20
    9. Gagner-Jones +0.057 GD/20

    Les than 180 minutes
    Yak-Hall 1.847
    gagner-eager 1.448
    Smyth-Yak 0.577
    Yak-Jones 0.474
    Smyth-Lander 0.351

    Top 3 Pairs:
    Smyth-XXX-Eberle
    Jones-XXX-Eager
    Hall-RNH-XXX )

  19. rickithebear says:

    Gi Joe!
    this site confuses me a bit.
    Can you and anyone else help me with this Quiz.

    two questions:

    1. The primary role of a defencman is to
    a. defend
    b. attack

    2. the primary role of a forward is to
    a. defend
    b. attack

    My guess is
    1. a.
    2. b.

  20. Jordan says:

    rickithebear:

    1. Smyth-Eberle+0.843 GD/20
    2. Smyth-Gagner+0.772GD/20
    —————————————————-+5GD/10GM
    —————————————————- +4GD/10GM3
    3. Jones-Eager+0.481 GD/20
    —————————————————- +3GD/10GM
    4. Smyth-RNH+0.433 GD/20
    ————————————————— +2GD/10GM
    5. RNH-Eberle+0.211 GD/20
    6. Hall-RNH+0.155 GD/20
    ——————————————————- +1G/10Gm
    7. RNH-Hemsky+0.095GD/20
    8. Hall-Eberle+0.084 GD/20
    9. Gagner-Jones +0.057 GD/20

    Les than 180 minutes
    Yak-Hall1.847
    gagner-eager 1.448
    Smyth-Yak 0.577
    Yak-Jones 0.474
    Smyth-Lander 0.351

    Top3Pairs:
    Smyth-XXX-Eberle
    Jones-XXX-Eager
    Hall-RNH-XXX )

    So…

    Ricki…

    I think that there’s some issues with using that information to build our lineups.

    1 – It doesn’t take into account role changes or aging (Smyth)
    2 – It doesn’t take into account injuries (Eager)
    3 – It doesn’t take into account player acquisitions (Perron)
    4 – it amalgamates all data on players regardless of trending data (improving or regressing)

    However, I didn’t know that Yak and Hall had such a potent run together – that’s good to know. Thanks. It’s also scary to see how much worse Yak plays with Jones & Smyth. Eww.

    What I want to see:

    93-4-10
    89-6-14
    27-57-83
    51-94-28
    Omark Extra

  21. Manitoba Oilers says:

    The nuge is skating that’s awsome

  22. Manitoba Oilers says:

    Jordan,

    Yak is keeping 64

  23. Mr DeBakey says:

    striatic: the closer we get to TC, the more Grebeshkov seems like a PTO for a guy who wouldn’t come over for a PTO, so you had to give him a contract.

    I’m not sure where that comes from
    Grebeshkov will have to fall on his ass not to make the team.
    The beauty is Potter & Larsen will pass through waivers, as
    Hainsey, Gilbert, Zanon, White and so forth are all available.

  24. dawgtoy says:

    Awesome news IMO

    @TheChrisWescott: RNH on if he’ll be able to play October 1st: “its wait and see” but he’s feeling good. Says his shot is better than before #oilers

  25. "Steve Smith" says:

    Dirk Dangler,

    BUST.

    (I’m a little confused about the statement in the second article that Sedin should be targeted in the second round of fantasy drafts. Doesn’t that depend on the number of teams in the draft?)

  26. rickithebear says:

    Jordan: What I want to see:
    93-4-10
    89-6-14
    27-57-83
    51-94-28
    Omark Extra

    Jeansuu-Gagner-Eberle
    Gag-ebs -.0.120 -1GD/10GM they are better W/o than w/
    if we can role a 4th line that has some high GD history

  27. Dirk Dangler says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    I’m not entirely sure about that comment either. I think NHL.com Fantasy Rankings target multiple fantasy platforms, some of which enable multiple teams to target the same player. Maybe the assumption is that, in these cases, the only players off the board in round 2 would be those which you selected in round 1. I could be mistaken.

    Regardless, it’s literally metaphorical music to my ears. Or is that now redundant?

  28. jfry says:

    Jf Jacques on the second line. Very pat Quinn of you ;)

  29. НИНТЕНДО⁶⁴ says:

    Manitoba Oilers:
    Jordan,

    Yak is keeping 64

    I missed that. Goodbye Magic of 10. Back to N64.

    https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/370658153924263936

  30. FastOil says:

    If RNH is not ready and Hall plays C

    Perron Gagner Eberle
    Smyth Gordon Hemsky
    Omark Hall Yak

    Perron with Gagner for his experience with physicality, the Gordon line for veteran tougher minutes, Hall gets some space and annihilates bottom halves. Leading to drawing tougher comp which brings out the blender and opens scoring up for whoever isn’t getting checked as hard.

    If RNH is ready

    Hall RNH Eberle – it works
    Perron Gagner Yak
    Smyth Gordon Hemsky

    If Smyth can’t do it then someone gets a shot at establishing a career in either line up. The key for me is pairing a more aggressive winger with Gagner to change the dynamic as MacT referred to – a line with three similar smaller players won’t be dominant.

    Hall of course is that for RNH. And pairing some 2 way offense with Gordon gives him a chance to produce offensively and help keeping the puck at the right end of the ice.

    R Hamilton is interesting, but for me the jury is out until we see the wheels. If he is more mobile than Foster and Whitney perhaps they have a new 4th line winger who can pin the puck in the offensive corner for a shift and is big enough to think twice about mixing it up with.

    I miss that about Penner. Not saying he fought a lot, but there weren’t a lot of scrums that went long on his shifts, and I saw a lot of heads turning the other way not wanting to make eye contact after the whistle. A real shame he doesn’t have a little more piss in his vinegar, but I suppose if he did Burke would have matched.

  31. oliveoilers says:

    FastOil:
    If RNH is not ready and Hall plays C

    Perron Gagner Eberle
    Smyth Gordon Hemsky
    Omark Hall Yak

    Perron with Gagner for his experience with physicality, the Gordon line for veteran tougher minutes, Hall gets some space and annihilates bottom halves. Leading to drawing tougher comp which brings out the blender and opens scoring up for whoever isn’t getting checked as hard.

    If RNH is ready

    Hall RNH Eberle – it works
    Perron Gagner Yak
    Smyth Gordon Hemsky

    If Smyth can’t do it then someone gets a shot at establishing a career in either line up. The key for me is pairing a more aggressive winger with Gagner to change the dynamic as MacT referred to – a line with three similar smaller players won’t be dominant.

    Hall of course is that for RNH. And pairing some 2 way offense with Gordon gives him a chance to produce offensively and help keeping the puck at the right end of the ice.

    R Hamilton is interesting, but for me the jury is out until we see the wheels. If he is more mobile than Foster and Whitney perhaps they have a new 4th line winger who can pin the puck in the offensive corner for a shift and is big enough to think twice about mixing it up with.

    I miss that about Penner. Not saying he fought a lot, but there weren’t a lot of scrums that went long on his shifts, and I saw a lot of heads turning the other way not wanting to make eye contact after the whistle.A real shame he doesn’t have a little more piss in his vinegar, but I suppose if he did Burke would have matched.

    Sorry Buddy, but you don’t have the thorough-bred pulling the cart. Hall stays top 6. Tough veteran minutes are by definition, 3rd line.

  32. Dirk Dangler says:

    Manitoba Oilers:
    The nuge is skating that’s awsome

    Further to that, here’s the Nuge discussing his shoulder after today’s informal on ice session.

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=4&id=442863&lang=en

  33. thejonrmcleod says:

    Testing to see if I can comment with a new account. The old account (jonrmcleod) must have been banned somehow.

  34. Ducey says:

    thejonrmcleod,

    I had the same problem (and same reaction). I can’t post using Explorer, but can using Chrome.

  35. thejonrmcleod says:

    Ducey,

    I tried Firefox, Chrome, and Android. No luck.

  36. Manitoba Oilers says:

    Dirk Dangler: Further to that, here’s the Nuge discussing his shoulder after today’s informal on ice session.

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=4&id=442863&lang=en

    He also said he bulked up 5-10 pounds!!!!

  37. denny33 says:

    russ99,

    With less than 7 days or so until the opening of NHL training camps – I would suggest that 30 teams have made their views known on Tom Gilbert.

    No surprise here that Tom has not found a team to play in a league STARVING for defenceman…..

  38. FastOil says:

    oliveoilers,
    “Sorry Buddy, but you don’t have the thorough-bred pulling the cart.”

    Very true, but if you are hooking the thorough-bred up to the cart anyway (playing him at C) then at least give him a light load so he can still trot.

  39. oilswell says:

    rickithebear: The primary role of a defencman is to

    In a fight-to-the death contest, the primary role of a sword is to:
    1. kill the opponent
    2. block the opponent’s attacks

    My guess: both, but #1 is more important because otherwise you’re the one dying. I feel a similar way about hockey players, although it is modified sensibly by context. In particular, I feel that attacking and defending are both important, but you need to score more than the opposition does otherwise you’re losing the game. The context? Well it has some to do with a player’s position but also some (probably more) to do with the on-ice context. Attacking is critical in the attacking zone and defending in the defending zone. For what it’s worth (and I suspect this is a key point to the discussion of the Oilers this season), I think of the ability to turn an defense position into an attack position to be an essential part of defense, and the ability to keep attack sustained an essential part of attack.

    IMO prioritizing position in the analysis leads to absurdities like claiming the primary role of a forward on a PK should be attack, and the primary role of a defenseman in the last 30 seconds when down by one is defense.

  40. russ99 says:

    НИНТЕНДО⁶⁴: I missed that. Goodbye Magic of 10. Back to N64.

    https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/370658153924263936

    Ugh, there goes my Yak jersey. Gonna have to wait another year… I want a #10.

    Maybe I’ll get a Justin Schultz one instead.

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