NEW DEAL NUGE AND 10 SET FREE

Good news today from the Oilers, as negotiations for the kid center are underway. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is still a teenager but his sublime talent in the middle is one of the key elements of this young club’s future.

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I can see the contract coming in at or near the Hall/Eberle deals, but would be pleased if it was longer (let’s be greedy, dammit!), perhaps into the ’20s. Some may argue he deserves less, I would refer you to his rookie season and all those incredible passes–this guy is an outstanding young talent! Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is an outstanding talent, a cornerstone block of a strong foundation. This is great news after a long day.

MORE CUTS

The Oilers sent away 10 more players today, no surprises but still no Cameron Abney or Ty Rimmer. Minor leaguers R Matt Ford, R Austin Fyten, C CJ Stretch and L Derek Nesbitt sent away along with prospects:

  • D Martin Gernat: Those who rip MBS forget about this gem, taken in the deep dark recesses of the 2011 draft (5th round, 122nd overall). He’s a tall, rail thin kid who may need as many as three seasons in the south but there’s some nice arrows on this player dating back to his first season in the WHL. Plenty of progress in junior from Gernat. 
  • D David Musil: Maybe the most watched draft pick Edmonton’s made in a decade, Musil is like that Seinfeld episode where the girl looks pretty or ugly depending on how the light shines. Musil has the ability to play defense, but his foot speed is a major issue.
  • C Travis Ewanyk: Turns pro and goes to OKC with questions about his offense. He’s a physical player but he’s going to have to score goals to get above the event horizon at the pro level.
  • G Olivier Roy: He got a chance in an NHL game, the results were poor. Roy is the best prospect goalie in the system, but it’s also true that goaltending is the greatest area of need. He’s going to have some company by spring in the prospect department.
  • G Tyler Bunz: I’m not certain what to expect from him this season. Bunz had a difficult time with pro hockey one year ago.
  • D Joey Leach: Interesting player, he showed well early in camp and it’ll be interesting to see where he plays this winter.

The big mystery is Abney’s remaining on the club. I have no answer for that one. None.

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103 Responses to "NEW DEAL NUGE AND 10 SET FREE"

  1. Martin Lundén (dohfOs) says:

    “[...] that Seinfeld episode where the girl looks pretty or ugly depending on how the light shines”

    ..probably one of the best episodes, ever.

  2. Lowetide says:

    Martin: Agreed. The other one was the episode where Frank Costanza said “my son’s not bright enough to hatch a plan like this” and Elaine says “you got THAT right!” Plus opposite George, George is Dead call me back and lobster bisque.

  3. RexLibris says:

    Re: Moroz – I see three basic possibilities here. He gets better, he stays the same, he gets worse. In the first, maybe the Oilers see something or can show something to scouts and he gets some trade value that isn’t a 2016 7th round pick. Options two and three confirm that he was a bad pick and needs to be flushed.

    In short, I think he’s still around because the Oilers need to get one last look before they flush him. The others they either know about or need to begin playing right away to get better. Abney essentially is what he is. The question is whether that is enough.

    Or maybe they just want to keep one more facepuncher around for the Vancouver game.

    As for Nugent-Hopkins, I’d go eight years for the young man. We’ve seen what happens to a team without a bona fide 1st line center. His offense doesn’t matter as much as the offense he can create through others. Best part is, I remain convinced that he could be our 2nd line center after this season.

  4. fifthcartel says:

    Rimmer not being cut is kinda weird, but most likely they’re just keeping the try-out goalie up and letting the two prospects get ready for the AHL/ECHL.

  5. Lowetide says:

    fifthcartel:
    Rimmer not being cut is kinda weird, but most likely they’re just keeping the try-out goalie up and letting the two prospects get ready for the AHL/ECHL.

    I think Rimmer staying means what it looks like, that he’s been better than some of the signed guys.

  6. fifthcartel says:

    Lowetide,

    With the shallow goaltender depth, do you think they offer him a contract?

  7. stevezie says:

    Am I the only one who read BJ’s training camp posts? Abney killed it! Apparently, I don’t know if I can trust people I meet on the internet.

    Now obviously Abney sucked last year as a player, and didn’t even seem to impress as a fighter, but if he is turning heads in camp I can understand them wanting a longer look at him. Hell, pre-season is a minefield maybe they just want him to do some protecting right now (which I don’t think is possible, but that’s another discussion.)

  8. Lowetide says:

    Stevezie: lol. No, I read it. However, if you’re not going to play him in a game (and perhaps that’s why he’s still here) then sending him down with the others is the next logical step. I hope Abney scores 50!

  9. bookje says:

    Every year we ask the “why is X tough guy who can’t skate still here?” And the answer is because they are playing other teams with ECHL and AHL goons that they might need someone to counter.

  10. "Steve Smith" says:

    Hi LT, long-time poster, first-time reader. Can anybody explain to me why Abney’s still at the Oilers’ training camp?

  11. Truth says:

    What happened to the Finn goale that they signed, Tuohimaa (or something like that)? With their horrible depth at G you think they’d bring all of them in to work with the pro staff.

    I think Bunz is the classic case of the limited ability being to project goalie prospects. He was dynamite in the WHL and appeared to be on his way in past rookie tournaments, but has gone downhill since.

    The Oilers’ rule should be to draft a minimum of one goalie a year until they have a clear cut number 1, a clear cut predecessor, and a few guys with promise in the pipeline. With their situation as it is I cannot understand how they passed on Comrie, who looked exceptional against them in Penticton.

  12. Lowetide says:

    “Steve Smith”: Every year, people ask this and every year I say this same thing. Abney is around because. Welcome to the site!!! It’s crazy you’re named after that condition between “everything is fine” and “concussed” but welcome anyway!

    You’re love DSF! I think he’s a lawyer!

  13. Lowetide says:

    Truth: Finn goalie is in Finland.

  14. bookje says:

    I see all of the posters here are starting to get into season form!

    It’s worth noting that SS’ post said long time POSTER, first time READER. That’s funny!

  15. "Steve Smith" says:

    bookje:
    Every year we ask the “why is X tough guy who can’t skate still here?” And the answer is because they are playing other teams with ECHL and AHL goons that they might need someone to counter.

    I think that, if I were an NHL coach, I would dress a guy who could barely skate, but who was a really sharp backgammon player. Then, at key junctures in the game, when emotions were running high, I would instruct him to throw down a doubling cube and engage one of the other team’s guys in a match. I assume that the officials would eventually put a stop to it, but I expect that fan reaction would be sufficiently enthusiastic that they’d at least let them play to a decision before breaking things up and putting them in the box for delay of game. Other teams would start dressing designated backgammon players too, to avoid giving my team the momentum boost that would come from a gammon.

  16. Truth says:

    Lowetide,

    ha. I guess I should have clarified my inquiry a little better. Is he clearly no better than Bunz and Roy? It would seem this Rimmer character could potentially end up with a contract and may compete with Bunz in the ECHL. I would guess that since the Finn is still over there and hasn’t come to rookie camp or main camp that they believe it is in his own best interest to stay there and develop. Or it could be that he is locked in a contract that doesn’t allow him to come over. If I’m Mac T I try to get him within the organization to better control his development.

    I guess that may contradict my earlier statement regarding acquiring more goalies, but if you aren’t willing to put the effort into the ones you have then what’s the point.

  17. Lowetide says:

    Truth:
    Lowetide,

    ha.I guess I should have clarified my inquiry a little better.Is he clearly no better than Bunz and Roy?It would seem this Rimmer character could potentially end up with a contract and may compete with Bunz in the ECHL.I would guess that since the Finn is still over there and hasn’t come to rookie camp or main camp that they believe it is in his own best interest to stay there and develop.Or it could be that he is locked in a contract that doesn’t allow him to come over.If I’m Mac T I try to get him within the organization to better control his development.

    I guess that may contradict my earlier statement regarding acquiring more goalies, but if you aren’t willing to put the effort into the ones you have then what’s the point.

    I think Rimmer has impressed them, that’s my guess. All the other kids are long gone, Rimmer remains. Bunz and Roy were sent out because they weren’t going to play anymore. Tuohimaa is probably like a lot of kids–he has a good job in Finland, is developing, and would likely play in Stockton if he came over. Likely a matter of convenience for both sides.

  18. Truth says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    The threat of being forced to play a game of backgammon would honestly deter me from running an opponents goalie. If that were an actual scenario.

  19. "Steve Smith" says:

    Truth,

    Well, they couldn’t *force* you to play, obviously. But if you refused, Don Cherry would brand you a European and mispronounce your name.

  20. Lowetide says:

    Little known fact: there IS Corsi in backgammon.

  21. VanOil says:

    I don’t believe in fancy stats for Backgammon, they are for sissy’s

  22. VanOil says:

    I do believe Hemsky should punch Matheson in the mouth and say “Steve Fucking Ott”

  23. theres oil in virginia says:

    C’mon Bookje, what the hell!

    VanOil:
    I don’t believe in fancy stats for Backgammon, they are for sissy’s

    For sissy’s what?

  24. Lowetide says:

    Sissy Spacek had a helluva Corsi in Badlands.

  25. striatic says:

    didn’t Matheson write the infamous “body language” article on Hemsky?

  26. bookje says:

    The real problem I have with Backgammon is that it is so violent. There are always fights breaking out over advanced stats.

  27. theres ojl in vjrgjnja says:

    I had to make an adjustment. Let me try this again:

    For sissy’s what?

  28. Mr DeBakey says:

    striatic,

    I know “Shauger” talked about it every damn day.
    One of the things that cured me of sports-talk radio.

  29. Mr DeBakey says:

    As for backgammon
    There is some dude, a blogger of course, who claims probability plays a big part in the game.
    Sheesh, what next

  30. theres oil in virginia says:

    Whew! Glad that’s passed. Like a high fever. It’s tough being Bookje.

  31. VanOil says:

    theres ojl in vjrgjnja:
    For sissy’s what?

    Sissy’s Diner has a mad backgammon crowd and great Grits

  32. nelson88 says:

    Would it be too much to give Martindale an early preseason game with some offensive minded players to see if you have anything there?

  33. nelson88 says:

    If they can get RNH for 5.5 – 6M on a long term deal. sign that man for as long as possible.

  34. theres oil in virginia says:

    Lowetide:
    Sissy Spacek had a helluva Corsi in Badlands.

    Y’know, Sissy Spacek is kinda like that Seinfeld girl referred to above.

  35. theres oil in virginia says:

    I didn’t get a chance to see all of the Calgary-based game the other night (insert Kevin Lowe conspiracy theory here), but from what I did see, Ryan Hamilton looked pretty good lined up with Eberle and Gagner. Any hope for this guy?

  36. Lowetide says:

    theres oil in virginia: Y’know, Sissy Spacek is kinda like that Seinfeld girl referred to above.

    Which makes this thread “even Steven!”

  37. Lowetide says:

    theres oil in virginia:
    I didn’t get a chance to see all of the Calgary-based game the other night (insert Kevin Lowe conspiracy theory here), but from what I did see, Ryan Hamilton looked pretty good lined up with Eberle and Gagner.Any hope for this guy?

    I expect he’s made the team, or close.

  38. wheatnoil says:

    I mentioned this in the last thread, but there’s on potential reason why Abney hasn’t been cut. Eakins specifically mentioned that he wanted to get all the guys signed to pro contracts into a game before they were sent down. It gives them a sort of ‘light’ or ‘hope’ to know what they’re working towards. All the guys signed to pro contracts that got sent down played on Saturday. The fact that Bunz didn’t is a real bad sign for Bunz.

    I mean, Hunt is still up and I doubt they rank him higher than Gernat and Musil (maybe I’m wrong), but I suspect he’ll get sent down once he gets his game in.

  39. theres oil in virginia says:

    For those less-versed in the ways of Seinfeld:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prvm5ZFPIrE

    RE Hamilton: From what little I’ve seen, he looks good enough to at least compete for a spot skating with skill-guys. Can’t wait to see pre-season, rather than pre-preseason.

    I noticed my blood pressure dropping even just watching Blaque’s TC vids. Can’t wait.

  40. G Money says:

    VanOil:
    I do believe Hemsky should punch Matheson in the mouth and say “Steve Fucking Ott”

    Or challenge him to a game of backgammon.

    nelson88:
    If they can get RNH for 5.5 – 6M on a long term deal. sign that man for as long as possible.

    The Nuge is going supernova once his shoulder heals. Maybe they can sign him now on the cheap.

  41. Kris11 says:

    RNH is crummy because his goals to assists ratio in junior was weird.

  42. Lowetide says:

    Kris11:
    RNH is crummy because his goals to assists ratio in junior was weird.

    Haha. I remember that!

  43. Bank Shot says:

    I hope they sign the kid for 8 years for $6 million a season. He ‘s going to be good.

    I’m not sure Rickibear was wrong to have some concerns though.

    I think RNH probably will end up being the weakest first overall forward picked since Rick Nash. Nothing wrong with being on the bottom rung of a collection of superstars, but there may be some wishing what could have been down the road.

    I still think he’s probably going to be the best out of the top of his draft class, but don’t think he’s a complete lock like Hall for instance.

  44. Manitoba Oilers says:

    Kris11:
    RNH is crummy because his goals to assists ratio in junior was weird.

    I don’t get it who said this

  45. Dead Cat Bounce says:

    Lowetide:
    “Steve Smith”: Every year, people ask this and every year I say this same thing. Abney is around because. Welcome to the site!!! It’s crazy you’re named after that condition between “everything is fine” and “concussed” but welcome anyway!

    You’re love DSF! I think he’s a lawyer!

    No, sorry.

    When I was a youngster I told my mother I wanted to be a lawyer but she admonished me saying “why don’t you do something useful with your life”.

    I reconsidered and got a degree in Political Science thinking I might become a politician but then was exposed to the public opinion surveys which indicted that both lawyers and politicians were among the dregs of society when it came to public trust.

    http://www.ipsos-na.com/download/pr.aspx?id=11708

    So, the next move was to become a Radio and TV Personality (hat tip to Lowetide) which is a clear step up in the food chain while still lacking in substance.

    I think I’ll become a plumber next…

    * most of the above is true

    ** Does Tyler Dellow actually do any lawyering between media appearances, acting in the role of King of Twitter and travelling to Europe to watch 0-0 futbol matches?

  46. Kris11 says:

    Manitoba,

    I won’t point fingers.

  47. Dead Cat Bounce says:

    Manitoba Oilers: I don’t get it who said this

    Ricki Bear.

    In other news, locking Hopkins into a long term contract at big bucks is fraught with peril considering nothing needs to happen now and it would be very prudent to see how this season turns out.

    (see Jordan Eberle and Shawn Horcoff for reference.)

  48. Kris11 says:

    Disc jockey versus lawyer versus car salesman. Discuss amongst yourselves.

    Also, shock jock versus divorce lawyer versus used car salesman. Discuss amongst yourselves.

  49. stevezie says:

    Bank Shot,
    Nuge has accomplished less than Hall or Ebs before their second contract, but if the Great White Hope of the cap shooting up actually happens having a 6 million dollar benchmark will be brilliant for us.

    If.

    Re-reading this, it isn’t really an opinion. It’s just a repackaging of an obvious thought with an esoteric historical reference thrown in. I’m happy I even managed that considering the way my brain’s worked today.

    I think I dreamed I got hit and woke up with a Steve Smith.

  50. stevezie says:

    Dead Cat Bounce,

    Maybe my opinion was less obvious than I thought. I’m not saying you’re wrong, you’re very right, but you can tell a true story without telling the whole story by which I mean in addition to peril it’s also fraught with whatever the opposite of peril is.

    Very intelligent, well informed people think the cap might jump to eighty million dollars next year. If they’re right having Ebs, Hall, RNH, and (dare to dream) Yakupov on 6 million dollar deals is better than affordable. You’re practically losing money not to!

    I don’t find making economic forecasts entertaining so I don’t know what the cap will do, but if you think it will go up there’s more to gain than to lose.

  51. Andropod says:

    did anyone get to see the Winnipeg game? I could never get the feed going.

  52. Andropod says:

    of course not its tomorrow…..

  53. Dead Cat Bounce says:

    stevezie:
    Dead Cat Bounce,

    Maybe my opinion was less obvious than I thought. I’m not saying you’re wrong, you’re very right, but you can tell a true story without telling the whole story by which I mean in addition to peril it’s also fraught with whatever the opposite of peril is.

    Very intelligent, well informed people think the cap might jump to eighty million dollars next year. If they’re right having Ebs, Hall, RNH, and (dare to dream) Yakupov on 6 million dollar deals is better than affordable. You’re practically losing money not to!

    I don’t find making economic forecasts entertaining so I don’t know what the cap will do, but if you think it will go up there’s more to gain than to lose.

    Actually, no.

    The most intelligent, well informed analysis of the cap I’ve seen was done by the Globe and Mail’s James Mirtle.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/globe-on-hockey/how-the-nhls-salary-cap-could-hit-90-million/article7029575/

    You have to bear in mind that the current cap is artificially high as negotiated in the newest CBA (based on HRR it should be about $60M).

    Considering the players share is dropping to 50% from 56%, it will take a few years to surpass last season’s $70M.

    While it’s true that the cap will inexorably rise and likely hit Mirtle’s projection of almost $90M, that is many years away.

    Also bear in mind the Canadian dollar has slipped from over parity to about 95 cents since Mirtle made those projections and that has a significant impact on the cap.

    I’d wager next year’s cap (as Mirtle has projected) will remain flat next year and rise slowly thereafter.

    Savvy GM’s are signing their players coming off ELC’s to bridge contracts.

    Blowing your brains out before you have to doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.

    If you have other well informed projections I’d love to see them.

  54. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Fusili Jerry?

    wheatnoil,

    Your theory makes the most sense here. I think round 2 and 3 of the cuts aren’t meant to be viewed ordinally (i.e., ranked in terms of performance) but as simply a mater of scheduling.

    ——

    seriously though… lock RNH up forever.

  55. striatic says:

    8 years, 6 million for RNH will, barring injury based drop off, look like highway robbery in years 7 and 8.

    personally i think RNH will be the weakest of the three first overall picks, but i still think he’s worth that money.

  56. Dead Cat Bounce says:

    striatic:
    8 years, 6 million for RNH will, barring injury based drop off, look like highway robbery in years 7 and 8.

    personally i think RNH will be the weakest of the three first overall picks, but i still think he’s worth that money.

    That’s fine if you only want to be competitive in 7-8 years.

  57. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I reference that Seinfeld episode constantly for one key reason (beyond the obvious, that it is amazing):

    About 6 years ago, me and my lady were out to see a flic with another couple. We were in one of those monster SilverCity joints in London. We were milling about in the halls outside the theatres waiting for the film to open so we could go in.

    You know the kind of place. Weird felt upholstery on the wall with some god-awful pattern, very low ceilings, pot lighting that is way too severe but also recessed so far into the ceiling that it comes out like beams of pure flame. The problem with that kind of lighting is that it is so strong and yet so isolated. In one spot you squint from the burning sensation, in another you squint for lack of illumination because between the pot lights is pure darkness.

    In the midst of this lighting disaster, I turned to my loved one and very sincerely and without thinking things through said: “wow, the lighting in here is brutal, you look terrible!”

    Needless to say, I was the only one who thought that was a comment that should be shared publicly. It was a rough night.

  58. VanOil says:

    Give RNH 6M X 8 years and it will look like a steal by time he is 21.

  59. striatic says:

    Dead Cat Bounce: That’s fine if you only want to be competitive in 7-8 years.

    uh .. no.

    it’ll might only be “merely be a good deal” before that, but it’ll certainly be competitive.

  60. OilClog says:

    Are people just straight forgetting what Hopkins was doing before the injuries.. He was running away with the Calder, probably still should of won it. He was the best rookie. This kid sees the ice in the top 1% in the league, it’s ridiculous. At the juniors against players his own age he looked like a giant. Hall and Yak are all world talent, IMO Hopkins will be the best of the bunch.

  61. Henry says:

    VanOil:
    I do believe Hemsky should punch Matheson in the mouth and say “Steve Fucking Ott”

    Maybe Mac should give Terry Jones the next few scoops.

    Matty should know that Ott at 31 may not quite be the player Or pain in the ass Ott at 25 was.

  62. Lowetide says:

    OilClog:
    Are people just straight forgetting what Hopkins was doing before the injuries.. He was running away with the Calder, probably still should of won it. He was the best rookie. This kid sees the ice in the top 1% in the league, it’s ridiculous. At the juniors against players his own age he looked like a giant. Hall and Yak are all world talent, IMO Hopkins will be the best of the bunch.

    He’s brilliant. Great edges, great vision, great range. I believe the Nuge is going to be spooktaculiar.

  63. Bar_Qu says:

    To this day I still can’t say “Salsa” normally because of Seinfeld (insert reference to a tiny portion of an obscure episode) and Kenny Rogers + chicken makes me laugh every time.

    I’m glad you all got off the backgammon talk, because LT’s kids read this site. Let’s keep it above board people.

  64. Bar_Qu says:

    Arguing over who is the best 1OV pick is like arguing which tastes better: well done steak, grilled asparagus or ice cream. You need all three to make a great meal, even though any one by themself would do.

  65. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I was recently losing it over the fake movie titles from Seinfeld.

    “Chunnel”
    “Sack Lunch”
    “Prognosis Negative”
    “Rochelle, Rochelle”
    “Agent Zero”

    I’m sure I missed a few.

    I think “The English Patient” may be the only real movie they mentioned.

    Also, being married to a Greek, it’s Tavli, not Backgammon.

  66. hags9k says:

    VanOil,

    Agreed. Hell give him 9 years.

    Everybody this party is going to really get rocking when it becomes clear Nuge is the best of the #1s. He is going to win an Art Ross. He is surrounded by snipers, and now a brainy offensive d man with hands. OHBABY what a ride this is going to be. The fuse is burning and is only another year or so long. There WILL be a mushroom cloud.

    Waiting a year before extending will be costly if he’s healthy. We risk a Gagner situation an order of magnitude higher.

    GOILERS

  67. Lowetide says:

    asparagus? Is there some new kind of asparagus?

  68. Bar_Qu says:

    Lowetide:
    asparagus? Is there some new kind of asparagus?

    Honestly, you have to have my wife’s bbq grilled asparagus. It has made green the new white meat.

  69. striatic says:

    i was wondering .. if there is something of a consensus that Moroz was a bad pick, is there a consensus about who the Oilers should have selected instead?

  70. Henry says:

    The Nuge’s contract will hopefully continue the best practice of the Tambi years. No NTC and Hall’s salary is the team cap. Maintain that now and it might stay in place when talking next year with Larionov/Yak.

  71. striatic says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I think “The English Patient” may be the only real movie they mentioned.

    Schindler’s List.

  72. Lowetide says:

    striatic:
    i was wondering .. if there is something of a consensus that Moroz was a bad pick, is there a consensus about who the Oilers should have selected instead?

    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2012/06/2012-entry-draft-day-two-stu-and-the-scouts.html

  73. striatic says:

    Lowetide,

    i meant more like, after the fact, which 2nd round prospect is showing best.

  74. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    asparagus? Is there some new kind of asparagus?

    It’s called White Asparagus and it is stupid. It is regular asparagus that has been deprived of light.

    striatic: Schindler’s List.

    Good call! any more?

  75. Henry says:

    Lowetide:
    asparagus? Is there some new kind of asparagus?

    Nobody has ever said it smells when i pee after ice cream.

  76. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    striatic:
    Lowetide,

    i meant more like, after the fact, which 2nd round prospect is showing best.

    I know a lot of people are high on this fellow Frk

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=129699

  77. delooper says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: It’s called White Asparagus and it is stupid. It is regular asparagus that has been deprived of light.

    White asparagus is very popular in Germany in the late spring. So is blood sausage.

  78. jp says:

    Lowetide:
    Stevezie: lol. No, I read it. However, if you’re not going to play him in a game (and perhaps that’s why he’s still here) then sending him down with the others is the next logical step. I hope Abney scores 50!

    Good God! I think everyone will be ecstatic and amazed if Abney scores 50 goals the rest of his career. He’s only scored 20 total in his 5 WHL/pro seasons.

  79. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    delooper: White asparagus is very popular in Germany in the late spring. So is blood sausage.

    Spring Time for Asparagus?

    Blood Meal and Soil?

  80. VanOil says:

    I only eat asparagus in the spring.

    But my pee then smells worse than Mathesons hatred of Hemsky or Abneys offensive skills

  81. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Great News NWT Oiler fans!!!

    https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/statuses/379752612393791488

    “Following up on a few questions, we are unable to webcast games outside of our region (AB, SK, NWT) as per the @NHL Broadcast Agreement.”

    WTF is wrong with the NHL?

    I hope I can find a stream tomorrow. This is seriously weird and stupid, right?

  82. justDOit says:

    delooper: White asparagus is very popular in Germany in the late spring. So is blood sausage.

    Have you ever had mettbroetchen? I’d like to try it, I think.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mettbroetchen.jpg

  83. jp says:

    Lowetide: I think Rimmer has impressed them, that’s my guess. All the other kids are long gone, Rimmer remains. Bunz and Roy were sent out because they weren’t going to play anymore. Tuohimaa is probably like a lot of kids–he has a good job in Finland, is developing, and would likely play in Stockton if he came over. Likely a matter of convenience for both sides.

    I wonder if the Condors haven’t signed a goalie of their own. Usually the ECHL team brings one goalie and the NHL/AHL team provides the other. Rimmer could be destined to share time with Bunz. For what it’s worth there’s no record on the ECHL site of another goalie there: http://www.echl.com/stats/transactions.php?f_season_id=29&f_team_id=3
    Even if this is the case, it is very strange that he outlasted even Roy at camp. There’s definitely interest there – I suppose it’s possible that he beats out Roy for the 2nd job in OKC…

  84. Dead Cat Bounce says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Great News NWT Oiler fans!!!

    https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/statuses/379752612393791488

    “Following up on a few questions, we are unable to webcast games outside of our region (AB, SK, NWT) as per the @NHL Broadcast Agreement.”

    WTF is wrong with the NHL?

    I hope I can find a stream tomorrow. This is seriously weird and stupid, right?

    In keeping with the oeuvre…weak stream is a symptom of the Oilers IT department.

    (says someone watching Sharks vs. Canucks on SNPHD)

  85. delooper says:

    justDOit: Have you ever had mettbroetchen? I’d like to try it, I think.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mettbroetchen.jpg

    Nope, but I’ve had an Ethiopian analogue to that. There’s a raw ground beef dish that’s popular, has onions and a few other spices in it. Kind of like a beef ceviche.

  86. cabbiesmacker says:

    dislocates arm while patting self on back re Rimmer vs Bunz predictions.

    I’ll be real surprised if Bunz turns out to be even a mediocre AHL goalie. Rimmer may not see time in the bigs but he’s one helluva lot better prospect than Bunz ever was and is still trending up.

  87. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Dead Cat Bounce: In keeping with the oeuvre…weak stream is a symptom of the Oilers IT department.

    (says someone watching Sharks vs. Canucks on SNPHD)

    Nucks don’t seem to be streaming games. If they were, I gather they’d fall under the same stupid NHL axe, no?

  88. striatic says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I know a lot of people are high on this fellow Frk

    Frk was my preference at the time : [

  89. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    justDOit: Have you ever had mettbroetchen? I’d like to try it, I think.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mettbroetchen.jpg

    You know what is damn good?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knödel

  90. jp says:

    RexLibris:
    Re: Moroz – I see three basic possibilities here. He gets better, he stays the same, he gets worse. In the first, maybe the Oilers see something or can show something to scouts and he gets some trade value that isn’t a 2016 7th round pick. Options two and three confirm that he was a bad pick and needs to be flushed.

    In short, I think he’s still around because the Oilers need to get one last look before they flush him. The others they either know about or need to begin playing right away to get better. Abney essentially is what he is. The question is whether that is enough.

    Or maybe they just want to keep one more facepuncher around for the Vancouver game.

    As for Nugent-Hopkins, I’d go eight years for the young man. We’ve seen what happens to a team without a bona fide 1st line center. His offense doesn’t matter as much as the offense he can create through others. Best part is, I remain convinced that he could be our 2nd line center after this season.

    You’re right there’s 3 possibilities for Moroz. One last look before they flush him is absurd though. I don’t think Abney is a fair comparison for Moroz at all. Sure Moroz was a reach who may not be a good enough hockey player to play in the top 9, but Abney has shown no hockey playing ability at all at any point (save maybe for the BJ reports from camp this year). Moroz was probably not worth pick no. 32, but he is a hockey player who can also fight. Not saying he was a good pick where he was taken, but Moroz still has a chance to play in the NHL in some capacity. Abney does not, save for the pre-season game tomorrow.

    Agree on the 6X8 for RNH though.

  91. Manitoba Oilers says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Nucks don’t seem to be streaming games. If they were, I gather they’d fall under the same stupid NHL axe, no?

    Nhl centre ice has it

  92. Nostradumbass says:

    Take a look at the 12 draft and try and find a Left Winger drafted after Moroz in the next 100 picks that you wouldn’t trade Mitch straight up for

    It’s not easy

  93. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Manitoba Oilers: Nhl centre ice has it

    Don’t have cable. Don’t want to pay.

    ———
    carrying on from yesterday

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=682786&navid=nhl:topheads

    no discipline for Nolan. Bissonnette gets 10

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=682787&navid=nhl:topheads

    Having seen it, the hit looked clean. But I wonder if Nolan got lucky by way of a lack of camera angles. Sometimes that changes everything.

  94. stevezie says:

    Dead Cat Bounce,

    You’re right, I overstated how fast it was going to go up.

    I think it’ll hurt more to overpay RNH for one or two years then to overpay him for five when his bridge deal expires. If you want to make him prove it for half a season before signing him that’s fine with me.

    If Pietrangelo is worth 6.5 I can’t see RNH doing anything in the next four months that would bump him above 6. 6 mil has to be the price, non?

    Hall is your ceiling and Eberle is your basement. Unless Nuge (and eventually Yak, maybe even JSchultz) are demonstrably better than Hall or worse than Eberle I don’t see how the Oil get anyone for any other number without the cap moving dramatically.

    Unless MacT declares Tabula Rasa on all negotiations?

    This is embarrassing, but can anyone tell me how the Oil have 67 million of salary but 1.3 million of capspace? I’m sure it involves ELCs, but I don’t remember the conclusion of that discussion.

  95. Ribs says:

    Fussy Britches back on the air…..

    Tracy Lane ‏@TreenasOil Protected account 36m
    #Oilers have had several conversations with the #Habs for a goaltender a swap of goaltenders was also discussed APG

    Omark , Larsen N. Shultz and Potter are also being shopped by the Oilers APG

    Don’t discount the idea of Ryan Smyth as a transition captain that’s being talked about APG

    Oilers are listening to offers for Hemsky not actively shopping him APG

    Pretty standard stuff, I suppose. Not sure what goalie they’d be looking at from the Habs. Zachary Fucale was selected right before the Oilers pick was up (which they then traded away). He’s a goalie from Laval so they’ll probably keep him. Other guys are Robert Mayer and Dustin Tokarski.

  96. Ribs says:

    Ah, an old Rishaug tweet….

    Oilers wanted Fucale. Lombardi was at Oiler table, As soon as Fucale was gone Mactavish and Lombardi shook hands, picks swapped. – 3:32 PM – 30 Jun 13

  97. stevezie says:

    Ribs,

    You might be underestimating the potential goalie swap. Reading this:
    http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=6252 and following it up with these:
    http://www.coppernblue.com/2013/9/13/4712260/predicting-playoff-save-percentage
    http://www.coppernblue.com/2013/9/13/4697008/hot-goalies-conference-finals-save-percentage

    An idea starts to emerge: A hot goalie is more important than a great one. As long as you have a playoff quality roster* your goalie only needs to be good, there is no advantage to being great (Because of the cap, see? Yes, Lundqvist probably has a better chance of getting hot than Craig Anderson but the salary difference will cost you one solid skater- is that worth the difference in “hot” odds?)

    Everyone learned the wrong lesson from the Flyers-Hawks final of a few years ago. The point wasn’t that you don’t need good goaltending, it’s that who knows who is gonna be good? Maybe Montreal is offering Price for Dubbie, Sure Price has a better resume, but Dubbie comes with three million in cap space. Three million could be an upgrade from Douglas Murray to Andrew Ference
    Is the difference between Ference and Murray worth the difference in odds of Price getting hot and Dubbie getting hot?

    Remember, no one cares about the regular season, so no one cares that Price is better overall. Chicago made three conference finals in five years with Khabibulin, (pre-vezina) Niemi and Crawford. Good teams heat goalies up.

    *Again, only if you already have a playoff quality roster. If you’re counting on Kipper to drag your team into the playoffs, pay the man.

  98. theres oil in virginia says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Great News NWT Oiler fans!!!

    https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/statuses/379752612393791488

    “Following up on a few questions, we are unable to webcast games outside of our region (AB, SK, NWT) as per the @NHL Broadcast Agreement.”

    Calgary did it. Is Rick Olczyk handling this too?

    WTF is wrong with the NHL?

    I think this question has been definitively answered: Ed Fucking Snider.

  99. bookje says:

    delooper: Nope, but I’ve had an Ethiopian analogue to that.There’s a raw ground beef dish that’s popular, has onions and a few other spices in it.Kind of like a beef ceviche.

    You mean Key Wat. Ethiopian food is generally pretty good – great spices, however, it takes a while to get used to injura (bitter flatbread).

  100. bookje says:

    Matheson in an article on the Journal has Grebeshov as having a spot in the top 6 and Belov as a bubble boy for the 7th spot?

    How does this make any sense given that Belov has been by far the superior player over the past two years?

    I hope they give both a fair chance in camp and don’t continue to give Grebeshov the ‘old Oiler’ benefit of the doubt.

  101. Ducey says:

    bookje,

    Its hard to believe that the new coach, who had never seen Grebs before camp, and has seen Belov in one practice, has made up his mind on either.

    Who is running the pool for the date this season upon which Matheson suggests the Oilers should trade for Drew Stafford?

  102. rickithebear says:

    Bank Shot: I’m not sure Rickibear was wrong to have some concerns though

    Amen!
    Pocession and Shots!

    By nature of play!
    I question wether there is a one to one pocession rate goals and assists.

    if 1G requires X pocessions,
    is 1 assist x pocessions or X+.
    just by the very nature of a failed passes it cannot be 1:1.
    Plus the set up player is dependent on who the shooters are.
    Making the direct route goals scorers a better cap investment.
    Hall, Eberle, Yak,

    When it comes to RNH a low G to Assist ratio is a problem but a high point kind of eliminates that.

    The other issue is EVP to PPP ratio.
    Playoffs start there is a less free flowing game.
    The great even production players should have an advatage.

    RNH finnished 54th and 90th for EVP centers the last two years.

    So we need Good Goal scorers and Who are strong Even Goal scorers
    looking at 10-11; 11-12; 12-13 rank for position
    LW
    Hall:
    G #26; #11, #12;
    EVG #31; #39; #8
    Perron
    G Inj; #30; #41;
    EVG inj; #35; #27
    Smyth
    G #22; #36; (petrell,Brown);
    EVG #31; #35; (petrell, Brown)

    RW
    Eberle:
    G #44; #5; #11;
    EVG #44; #6; #6
    Yakupov
    G n/a; n/a; #10
    EVG n/a; n/a; #13
    Jones
    G #41; #45; Inj;
    EVG #27; #45 Inj.

    Center
    Gagner:
    G #60; #39; #20;
    EVg #54; #49; #21
    RNH
    G n/a; #39; #123;
    EVG n/a; #27; #144
    Gordon
    G #154; #111; #123;
    EVg #161; #105; #104

    Ben Eagers
    even g 80 game pace from 08-09 to 11-12
    55th for his position.

    I see a very strong direct route structure to our scoring.
    And RNH, Gagner show signs.
    I am smiling!

  103. Bruce McCurdy says:

    theres oil in virginia: WTF is wrong with the NHL?

    I think this question has been definitively answered: Ed Fucking Snider.

    Hear hear.

    This idea of teams spiting their own fanbases in order to protect their own geographical areas is insane. How many fans of other teams who happen to live in Alberta will be eagerly tuning in to tonight’s webcast? vs. how many Oilers fans living elsewhere cursing the air blue?

    It’s not just inherently stupid, it’s poorly thought out. I think the term for that combination is “NHL Stupid”.

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