WAIVER SUNDAY

This is an interesting day in Oilers history. I imagine Craig MacTavish has been involved in some talks with Dallas Eakins in the last 24 hours about what might be available via trade or waivers, but so far they haven’t pulled the trigger. Why?

Let’s take as an example Joe Colborne. He’s a big center (6.05, 213) with some skating issues. He’s not Jack Valiquette slow but Colborne’s wheels don’t turn quickly. He’s a player Dallas Eakins coached for a couple of years with the Marlies and would be well known to him.

JOE COLBORNE AHL

  • Age 20: 75, 20-22-42 .560
  • Age 21: 65, 16-23-39 .600
  • Age 22: 65, 14-28-42 .646

MARK ARCOBELLO AHL

  • Age 22: 26, 11-11-22 .846
  • Age 23: 73, 17-26-43 .589
  • Age 24: 74, 22-46-68 .919

Arcobello is a much smaller player (listed at 5.09, 165 so chances are he’s 5.07, 150 based on the NHL’s rounding up on these things) but he’s also more skilled. The question we have to ask ourselves this morning is this: do we have clear evidence that Joe Colborne is a better hockey player than Mark Arcobello? He’s bigger, slower and less likely to impact a game offensively. I’m fine with the Oilers giving Arcobello this opportunity IF Colborne is the best available replacement.

  • MacT in summer: “[Mark] Arcobello will get a good look, Andrew Miller, Will Acton, Anton Lander. I’m sure we’ll be able to offset Nuge’s absence in the short term.”

Today, the Oilers have a chance to pick up some interesting players on waivers (Hall, Adam) and then review some more interesting names that’ll hit the wire today. A trade also seems possible. For me, I’m hopeful the club will address that 4line situation, but have no quarrel with passing on Joe Colborne. Luke Adam and Adam Hall? They are more intriguing names.

ACTON OVER ADAM HALL?

  • Dallas Eakins: “One day he asked if he could sit in on the penalty-killing meeting. Before long, he was on the penalty kill. He’s like a smell that just won’t go away.”

I can make an argument for it. Although Acton isn’t going to set the offensive world on fire, he’s a younger hire than Hall and if he can do that 4line job that’s one fewer issue to deal with a year from now. A solid 4line C who can win faceoffs and penalty kill has value, and those player types often end up posting 10-15 points a year. Hall can do the job, but even if he comes over and does it well, so what? He’s too old to contribute to the cluster for long.

Edmonton needs to solve these problems with solutions that have sustain, not hire another Belanger.

The one thing hiring Hall does do? It gives the club one more year to wait on Lander. If he’s the long term solution, then buying Adam Hall cheap makes a lot of sense. If Acton has a chance to win this thing longer term, I’m fine with staying the course.

NEPOTISM!

I’ve seen a lot of anger recently (here and there) about Will Acton being on the team, but I don’t think that’s a huge concern. If Acton can’t do the job, he’s going to be sent down. Does anyone seriously believe they’d keep Will Acton on the team if he was failing in the role required of him? If this ends up being Marc Sullivan 2.0 then I’ve badly misjudged Craig MacTavish and Dallas Eakins. Neither can afford to ice anything less than their best available roster.

And that’s why today is an interesting day in Oilers history.

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52 Responses to "WAIVER SUNDAY"

  1. dawgtoy says:

    @EdmontonOilers: IT’S OFFICIAL! Andrew Ference (@Ferknuckle) named 14th captain in #Oilers history by Head Coach @dallaseakins! http://t.co/z9eXTxXLvV

  2. dawgtoy says:

    Andrew Ference 14th captain of the Edmonton Oilers. Good choice. I like it, plus I owe my smile to his father.

  3. RMGS says:

    dawgtoy:
    @EdmontonOilers: IT’S OFFICIAL! Andrew Ference (@Ferknuckle) named 14th captain in #Oilers history by Head Coach @dallaseakins! http://t.co/z9eXTxXLvV

    Another good move by Coach Eakins.

  4. Lowetide says:

    RMGS:
    Maybe Colborne isn’t an improvement on Arcobello, but he’s certainly an improvement on Acton, no?

    http://www.somekindofninja.com/nhl/usage.php?f1=2012_s&f2=5v5&f3=&f5=TOR&f4=C%2BLW%2BRW&f7=&bubbleType=corsiRel&yAxis=qoc&update-filters=Update+Results

    different roles imo, and much too small a sample size.

  5. doritogrande says:

    21 in Copper and Blue always looks better with a C attached to it. Here’s to Ference channeling his inner Gator.

  6. Lowetide says:

    Ference is a solid choice, and it does give the kids a chance to grow into the role.

  7. RMGS says:

    Lowetide,

    Indeed. I missed the 5 GP, though that’s 5 more than Acton. :)

  8. dawgtoy says:

    Ference is the 14th captain in Oiler history, Hall will be the15th.

  9. vesci says:

    Colborne traded to the Flames for a conditional 4th rounder

  10. vesci says:

    Colborne for a fourth rounder seems like better bet than Brown for a fourth

  11. steveb12344 says:

    vesci: Colborne for a fourth rounder seems like better bet than Brown for a fourth

    Not if you need a facepuncher.

  12. Ben says:

    steveb12344,

    Speaking of – did I miss the SMac prognosis?

  13. sliderule says:

    If Colborne can’t play in your top six he is not of much use.

    Acton is a useful fourth line plug who will know his job until RNH returns then off to AHL

  14. Lowetide says:

    Ben:
    steveb12344,

    Speaking of – did I miss the SMac prognosis?

    No, there’s been no media avail since he steamrolled air.

  15. FastOil says:

    I’m not sure Hall is an improvement on Acton with his recent points and PM’s.

  16. Lowetide says:

    FastOil:
    I’m not sure Hall is an improvement on Acton with his recent points and PM’s.

    Well he’s more experienced and that has value. My point is that he’s 33 now, even if he has an excellent season it’s a short term fix. Oilers need to solve these problems, thus having fewer holes next summer.

  17. Big Dan says:

    Andrew Ference named captain before playing a game.

    LT, why do you hate Ryan Smyth so much? :)

    That being said, he was my #2 choice. He will be a great leader for the next 4 years.

    Bring on the new regime. New coach, new players, new captain, hopefully new attitude.

  18. Lowetide says:

    Big Dan:
    Andrew Ference named captain before playing a game.

    LT, why do you hate Ryan Smyth so much?:)

    That being said, he was my #2 choice.He will be a great leader for the next 4 years.

    Bring on the new regime.New coach, new players, new captain, hopefully new attitude.

    I thought it would be Hall, but you can see what the coach is doing here. He’s taking Ference’s experience and setting the tone for the room. Ryan Smyth was probably the first to shake his hand.

  19. speeds says:

    Lowetide: Well he’s more experienced and that has value. My point is that he’s 33 now, even if he has an excellent season it’s a short term fix. Oilers need to solve these problems, thus having fewer holes next summer.

    I don’t know if I really agree. I mean, sure, it’s nice to fill that lineup spot, but at the same time, 4C is a spot that you can generally fill each summer. I guess my point is a “short term fix” for the 4C, a few years in a row, isn’t the end of the world. It shouldn’t be the most difficult position to fill, even if you’d prefer to have the spot filled with a great option prior to July 1.

    In the case of Lander, I believe he has to clear waivers next fall, so if he’s close I would imagine there’s a pretty good chance he’d be on the team in 14/15.

  20. godot10 says:

    Burke bought a ton of goodwill in the business community in Calgary by trading for Colborne. And isn’t his Calgary bigwig dad involved in the new Phoenix ownership group.

    Thing of it as Burke doing an unsolicited favour for the local Godfather.

  21. Lowetide says:

    ryan Hamilton and Phil Larsen on waivers.

  22. DBO says:

    Lowetide,

    so yeah. weird. must mean they are planning on claiming some people

  23. DBO says:

    Bob Stauffer ‏@Bob_Stauffer 1m
    Lines this morning: Jonesuu-Gordon-Yakupov, Smyth-Hall-Hemsky, Perron-Arcobello-Eberle, Eager-Acton-Brown

  24. Lowetide says:

    DBO Those top 3lines might be opening night.

  25. DBO says:

    Lowetide,

    agreed. One of Adam or Hall on the 4th line would be nice upgrade on Eager/Brown. One face puncher is enough.

  26. godot10 says:

    I think Hamilton and Larsen were put on waivers now to try to sneak them through waivers now, so they won’t have to be waived again within 30-days when Potter or Grebeshkov come off of IR.

    i.e. If Larsen clears, he can be sent down to OKC without waivers for 30 days without being put on waivers again.

    It doesn’t mean that Larsen or Hamilton are necessarily being sent down.

  27. 719 says:

    I thought Larsen had a good camp, was surprised by the move, but I understand it.

    Hamilton have no qualms about. Maybe a trade/waiver wire pick up is in the works?

  28. RMGS says:

    Lowetide:
    ryan Hamilton and Phil Larsen on waivers.

    @dantencer: Good strategy by Oilers with Hamilton/Larsen waivers…with injuries they don’t have to do it but less chance of a claim right now…

    Don’t worry. Tencer’s point has the Willis seal of approval.

    I still think (hope) someone’s coming in…

  29. Lowetide says:

    I don’t think either of them make the team. This is sending people down to make room. Room for what? We’ll see.

  30. hunter1909 says:

    dawgtoy:
    @EdmontonOilers: IT’S OFFICIAL! Andrew Ference (@Ferknuckle) named 14th captain in #Oilers history by Head Coach @dallaseakins! http://t.co/z9eXTxXLvV

    Shite news. Taylor Hall gone at trade deadline?

    Nothing from these clowns shocks me. Nothing.

  31. hunter1909 says:

    Where are all of you Gagner for captain types? Oh yes, now you’re ‘captain’ Ference fans.

    Silly me.

  32. hunter1909 says:

    MEMO TO TAYLOR HALL WHO NO DOUBT IS READING THIS:

    Don’t worry about Ference. Once the centreless team goes 3-8 to open the season, you’re going to be better able to assert yourself on the ice.

  33. hunter1909 says:

    Serious question: Which of Hall/Eberle/Yakupov/RNH gets run off the team first?

  34. speeds says:

    Possible this is just EDM attempting to clear them now, when they think there’s a good chance they’ll clear, instead of in a couple weeks when they need roster room.

    Could also be possible that they’ve put in a claim on someone, or think they might put in a claim on someone today, and need to make sure they can get down to 23 in time, therefore these two both (I’m thinking Hamilton in particular, but maybe Larsen as well? Were any D on waivers yesterday, or that might go on waiver today?) hit waivers.

  35. Andropod says:

    I am more concerned about team commitment and cohesiveness followed by getting a set of agitators/face punchers who can play up and down the line a bit than I am about getting a slightly different deck chair to replace one of the current ones.

    I think Whitney, Jones and Eager all represent different degrees of the same condition – play hampered by injury. Whitney is done, and so is Eager imho. It was ok for him not being able to pay very well because he could agitate and face punch. He still cant play very well, now he can’t face punch either. For this reason I think Jones is the only one who has a chance to make it back, because eyes do, hopefully heal, and so will his self confidence as he gets time in the A and adjusts to using a visor.

    So by all means, let’s get whoever we can over the waiver wire that are clear upgrades over what we have, but unless Eakins can ice a group of individuals that are willing and able to play cohesively and with commitment to the degree they can kick some Jets @$$, a couple of waiver wire pickups – C, FP, LW – won’t be worth squat.

  36. Lowetide says:

    Could be trade too.

  37. DBO says:

    and we claim a face puncher. mother fucker.
    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 1m
    EDM claims Luke Gazdic from DAL.

  38. Hammers says:

    Larsen & Hamilton also clear some cap space if needed . Also agree with the point of 30 days to actually send them down . This may also mean RNH is back sooner than we think .

  39. BlacqueJacque says:

    dawgtoy:
    @EdmontonOilers: IT’S OFFICIAL! Andrew Ference (@Ferknuckle) named 14th captain in #Oilers history by Head Coach @dallaseakins! http://t.co/z9eXTxXLvV

    You could see it coming from a mile away.

    Fitness freak, champion, old enough to retire while one of the kids is still young enough to get the C.

  40. rickithebear says:

    When a player goes on litre the cap space is not available. To start season. But that cap space can be filled after start of season.
    Sending Hamilton and Larsen gives us extra cap space when ganger,s replacement is called up.

  41. Dead Cat Bounce says:

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 2m
    LA puts Jeff Schultz on waivers.

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 2m
    Jean Michael Liles also on waivers in TOR.

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 2m
    DET puts Cory Emmerton on waivers.

  42. Ice Sage says:

    I like Ference as captain – fresh, winning attitude; a daily reminder that Leadership begins on D.
    THere’s been enough time to see who has the respect of the room.
    This team has been so transformed I don’t know what to expect when the rubber meets the rink.

  43. Dead Cat Bounce says:

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 7m
    CGY puts Blair Jones and Derek Smith on waivers.

  44. Gi JQE says:

    Oilers claim gazdic as per Tsn…. Just brutal…

  45. DBO says:

    new thread

  46. Ice Sage says:

    Dead Cat Bounce:
    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 2m
    LA puts Jeff Schultz on waivers.

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 2m
    Jean Michael Liles also on waivers in TOR.

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 2m
    DET puts Cory Emmerton on waivers.

    Well if they’re cast-offs from any of those awesomely well-managed teams, they MUST be better than the Oilers bottom players, right?

  47. kristopher.milligan says:

    hunter1909,

    Well Yak IS a dirty Russian so…

  48. VOR says:

    Speeds,

    My problem with saying temporary fixes at 4C will be okay is the chance that you might stop searching for that 4C who can be more than a bit player in a Stanley Cup run.

    Imagine it is late in the 7th game of the final. You are down by a goal. You are pinned in your own end. The face off is deep. You need a 4C who can come out, win the face off, get the puck, break out, draw the opposition to him, and then hit the streaking winger with a back hand no look pass through two players on the tape as the winger crosses the blue line.

    At least you do if you mean the rhetoric about being built to win multiple Stanley Cups. It would be nice if when all the offensive stars choke your 4C can score a highlight reel goal that will change your team from pretenders to contenders. Having scored the go ahead goal and with the game 1-0 and the other team with the extra attacker that 4C is back on the ice blocking sure goals stealing the puck and running the clock out.

    So what I am saying is if you want to be great rather than just good you want a permanent fix. You want to stop thinking well the guy will only be on the ice 5 minutes a game and start wondering what might happen if for five minutes every game you are light years better than the other team and how nice it is to have the best penalty killers in hockey. Adam Hall has had years where he is that guy. He has just been horribly inconsistent. I would argue you want a younger Adam Hall.

  49. Andropod says:

    VOR:
    Speeds,

    My problem with saying temporary fixes at 4C will be okay is the chance that you might stop searching for that 4C who can be more than a bit player in a Stanley Cup run.

    Imagine it is late in the 7th game of the final. You are down by a goal. You are pinned in your own end. The face off is deep. You need a 4C who can come out, win the face off, get the puck, break out, draw the opposition to him, and then hit the streaking winger with a back hand no look pass through two players on the tape as the winger crosses the blue line.

    At least you do if you mean the rhetoric about being built to win multiple Stanley Cups. It would be nice if when all the offensive stars choke your 4C can score a highlight reel goal that will change your team from pretenders to contenders. Having scored the go ahead goal and with the game 1-0 and the other team with the extra attacker that 4C is back on the ice blocking sure goals stealing the puck and running the clock out.

    So what I am saying is if you want to be great rather than just good you want a permanent fix. You want to stop thinking well the guy will only be on the ice 5 minutes a game and start wondering what might happen if for five minutes every game you are light years better than the other team and how nice it is to have the best penalty killers in hockey. Adam Hall has had years where he is that guy. He has just been horribly inconsistent. I would argue you want a younger Adam Hall.

    I would argue that Stanly Cup winners do not have horribly inconsistent players on their team.

  50. jp says:

    VOR:
    Speeds,

    My problem with saying temporary fixes at 4C will be okay is the chance that you might stop searching for that 4C who can be more than a bit player in a Stanley Cup run.

    Imagine it is late in the 7th game of the final. You are down by a goal. You are pinned in your own end. The face off is deep. You need a 4C who can come out, win the face off, get the puck, break out, draw the opposition to him, and then hit the streaking winger with a back hand no look pass through two players on the tape as the winger crosses the blue line.

    At least you do if you mean the rhetoric about being built to win multiple Stanley Cups. It would be nice if when all the offensive stars choke your 4C can score a highlight reel goal that will change your team from pretenders to contenders. Having scored the go ahead goal and with the game 1-0 and the other team with the extra attacker that 4C is back on the ice blocking sure goals stealing the puck and running the clock out.

    So what I am saying is if you want to be great rather than just good you want a permanent fix. You want to stop thinking well the guy will only be on the ice 5 minutes a game and start wondering what might happen if for five minutes every game you are light years better than the other team and how nice it is to have the best penalty killers in hockey. Adam Hall has had years where he is that guy. He has just been horribly inconsistent. I would argue you want a younger Adam Hall.

    I agree that you want a long term 4C solution if possible. The player you’re describing simply is not a 4C though. How many 4Cs around the league fit that description? You’re describing a 1/2C who is good on draws/defensively, or a talented 3C.

    That said, IF the Oilers decide to keep Hall at C and can find enough wingers to make it viable, they could run Hall, RNH, Gagner, Gordon. That would be about as good a fix to the 4C situation as one could imagine. Health, and LW depth is about all that’s standing in the way at this point.

  51. VOR says:

    JP,

    I was referencing real 4Cs in my response to speeds. One of them was the Oilers Kevin McLelland. The third period of the 1st game of the Stanley Cup finals in 1984 against the Islanders changed the entire history of the Oilers. What did he have something like 14 points in 18 games on the way to the Stanley Cup?

    Andropod, I did say we need the young Adam Hall, and not the later, horribly inconsistent, version of himself.

    My point was having a Kevin McLelland lets you organize your entire team differently. Especially since McLelland could also go toe to toe with any goon in hockey. If having a bunch of temporary fixes prevents you searching high and low for a McLelland (or such a 4C getting a chance to play) then you maybe should be patient and keep looking for the real thing.

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