WE ARE HERE

With today’s waiver pickup (Luke Gozdic) the Edmonton Oilers have sent a clear message about how they see the roster:

  • Will Acton is the 4C
  • The club is happy to try out Mark Arcobello in the Gagner role until the Nuge returns.

There was a veteran, more established version of Acton available (Adam Hall) and they passed on him. That’s a major tell, it really is. The Edmonton Oilers have now sent down Anton Lander and passed on a veteran in favor of Acton. He’s absolutely going to play this season on the 4line unless things go very wrong. They also passed on Luke Adam, and that’s a bigger surprise for me because he’s in the age range of the cluster. However, MacT said the other night on tsn during the broadcast they were content to roll with this group and that has been the case.

OTHER THINGS WE NOW KNOW

  1. Steve MacIntyre is hurt. Picking up Gazdic means MacIntyre is very likely heading to the IR.
  2. Ryan Hamilton and Phil Larsen on waivers is explained by coach Eakins: “It’s about saving cap space and that’s the way we have to go about it… we selfishly hope they clear.”
  3. We’re extremely likely to see two enforcer types on the 4line every night. The club is apparently moving forward with all of Gazdic, Eager and Brown as their 11-13 forwards, meaning Will Acton will get a steady group of big men on his line.
  4. The 4th line is unlikely to play much. 4 minutes for the enforcers, that plus PK time/faceoffs for Acton. Very limited roles.
  5. The Oilers will employ their skill players on the penalty kill.

I’m not certain if Ryan Hamilton and Phil Larsen will be sent down if they clear. Edmonton’s current group of wingers (without Hamilton and with MacIntyre hurt) numbers only 9 (Smyth-Hemsky, Perron-Eberle, Joensuu-Yakupov, Gazdec-Brown, Eager) and with 4 centers that’s 13 players. If the club doesn’t IR Grebeshkov they can run one player short, keep Hamilton, keep Larsen, or pluck someone from waivers.

It’s been a bizarre week.

AVAILABLE ON WAIVERS

  1. L Darrell Powe: Works hard, provides energy and is a solid defensive forward. Can play both center and wing. Is aggressive and hard to knock off the puck, due to a strong lower base. Is plenty versatile.
  2. D Colby Robak: Insane he’s on waivers. This is a pretty good hockey player here, not terribly physical but he can move the puck.
  3. R Dana Tyrell: Brings plenty of speed and tenacity to the arena every night, and he works as hard as anyone. Is a sound penalty-killer and energy player. Can play any forward position.
  4. R Nick Johnson: Has a great work ethic and some scoring ability. Also understands the defensive side of hockey. Can use his size effectively to create space.
  5. F Cory Emmerton: Has sound instincts for the game and two-way ability. Can play either center or wing with equal effectiveness. Is a very cerebral player in all three zones.
  6. C Patrice Cormier: Is ultra-aggressive. Has great size, outstanding defensive instincts and some offensive upside. Uses his body well in a checking capacity, as well as to win battles in the corners. Can play center and wing.
  7. D Jeff Schultz: Not my kind of player, but massive wingspan and with the Oilers looking for toughness he might end up here.
  8. D Korbinian Holzer: Big defender who can move the puck and play a physical game. Eakins will know him.

I won’t guess which player the Oilers might take with a waiver claim tomorrow (they may do nothing) and I suspect this might be the opening night roster.

PROJECTED OPENING NIGHT 23 MAN ROSTER

  • L1: Hall-Smyth-Hemsky
  • L2: Arcobello-Perron-Eberle
  • L3: Gordon-Joensuu-Yakupov
  • L4: Acton-Gazdic-Brown
  • extras: L Ben Eager, L S MacIntyre
  • D1: Smid-Petry
  • D2: Ference-J Schultz
  • D3: N Schultz-Belov
  • extra: D Denis Grebeshkov
  • SG: Devan Dubnyk
  • BG: Jason LaBarbera
  • IR: C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, C Sam Gagner, D Corey Potter

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  1. hunter1909 says:

    This blog now travelling faster than the speed of light.

  2. Fixall with Rexall says:

    I’m not happy with this roster, but those lines seem like a pretty decent use of the guys we have. I hope Yakupov is ready for some heavy lifting on that third line. When RNH comes back, where does Arco go? I’m hoping it pushes one of the 4th liners off the team. It will be very telling if it doesn’t.

  3. OilClog says:

    Eager is more of a deterrent then Brown. Brown seems to be nothing more then a younger version of Hordichuk. If were dressing a knuckle duster, Eager would make more sense being the other winger. He’s the best we have at finishing a check, and he has a slight edge of crazy that you just never know when he could cripple a Sedin or Kopitar. And no matter what anyone says, none of the 4th line can take a pass and rip a shot like Ben can.

  4. Fixall with Rexall says:

    In all the negativity, deserved mind you, from this crazy waiver weekend and the face punching convention we are starting to assemble, I think one thing keeps getting overlooked. This defense has the potential to rock it. So much better than last year. It’s so much better, it might allow a farce of a fourth, AND buy time for the injuries. It better, this season is all on them.

  5. hunter1909 says:

    Fixall with Rexall:
    In all the negativity, deserved mind you, from this crazy waiver weekend and the face punching convention we are starting to assemble, I think one thing keeps getting overlooked. This defense has the potential to rock it. So much better than last year. It’s so much better, it might allow a farce of a fourth, AND buy time for the injuries. It better, this season is all on them.

    Mr. Katz!

  6. Kitchener says:

    The recent moves (Smac, Gozdic, etc.) are coherent if the Oil have decided:
    - the thugs will barely get any ice time
    - Eakins literally expects 9 forward to play close to 20 minutes a night

    I’m not aware of any other teams running their lines like this through a full season. With our embarrassment of depth at skill forward (THREE #1 overalls), our team isn’t like many others, but can anyone think of previous NHL examples of teams that have tried this over 82 games?

    In the good old days of playoff games every other night, the rule of thumb was “if you shorten your bench, you’ll run out of gas by the third round.” I’m wondering if this rule still applies today, or if something has changed that makes this new plan a clever approach.

  7. iwin76 says:

    Cormier looks interesting. Big centre, aggressive. Some pedigree. Would he not be an upgrade on Acton?

  8. Fixall with Rexall says:

    hunter1909,

    I’m not that optimistic but its night and day compared to last year. It’s not even close. This is a real NHL defense. Our first since 06.

  9. Fixall with Rexall says:

    iwin76,

    Keith says no.

  10. OilClog says:

    If the farce of the 4th goes out and crushes everything that moves 5 minutes a night. Wouldn’t that be more similar to what we use to see before the 7yrs in Tibet? I know it’s been a long time since we’ve seen some successful hockey. But I’m all for our 4 the line being the polar opposite of our top 9. We don’t need a scoring 4th line if out other 3 are scoring. What we need is a fear of god line coming over the boards to say “hey, touch our guys in a way that goes beyond playing hard, we’re going to cave your skull in” we haven’t had a line like that in years either.

    Or we could ice a skilled 4th line and wonder why every team takes advantages with our squad for about 5 very rough minutes a night.. Screw change!

  11. Woodguy says:

    Maple Leafs West with that 4th line.

    All your goons are belong to us.

    Smac or newb hits the wire as soon as Smac is healthy.

    It’s Sept 29th and I can’t wait for next summer so MacTambellini can clear all the chaff he’s accumulating on the 50 man.

    Also,

    4 min a night better be right for that 4th.

    If Eakins runs the Renney/Krueger box step and they get 8-10min then I’ll start looking at the draft.

    “Grit n’ Heart for Reinhart”

  12. Kris11 says:

    Yeah, too many thugs on the 50 man roster.

    Brown could probably be dealt for crap, which would be a good idea, IMO.

  13. Fixall with Rexall says:

    Woodguy,

    Our marketing team prefers “Breaking Bad for Ekblad”…..It tested through the roof.

  14. BlacqueJacque says:

    Joe Colborne would have cost us a 4th round pick. =/

  15. gr8one says:

    I blame Dubnyk.

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=4&id=448998&lang=en

    00:16.00.

    Made MacT think we were claiming a sniper.

  16. Zack says:

    Hey LT,

    Why not claim Cory Emmerton? Sometimes with certain players going through waivers I almost think there is an unwritten rule between clubs about not going after certain young prospects.

  17. Jon K says:

    The roster decisions in the last few weeks are slowly allowing us to get a clearer picture of Dallas Eakins as an NHL head coach. MacT as a GM as well.

    With the MacIntyre and Gazdic waiver selections, as well as the waiving of Larsen while Grebeshkov remains on the roster, I’m not sure that I’m liking the image coming into focus.

  18. prairieschooner says:

    Can someone explain what wiggle room the Oilers have left as we talk about additional pick ups
    I thought Smac had to stay with the big club because he was a waiver pick up

  19. Woodguy says:

    Jon K:
    The roster decisions in the last few weeks are slowly allowing us to get a clearer picture of Dallas Eakins as an NHL head coach. MacT as a GM as well.

    With the MacIntyre and Gazdic waiver selections, as well as the waiving of Larsen while Grebeshkov remains on the roster, I’m not sure that I’m liking the image coming into focus.

    I think they are trying to sneak Larsen and Hamilton through now when the wire is full rather than later in the year when someone might have a need and not trying to get all their guys through.

    With the new waiver rules, if a player clears once, you can send them back and forth all year without exposing them to waivers.

  20. wheatnoil says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    Joe Colborne would have cost us a 4th round pick. =/

    This is not a fair statement. Feaster himself acknowledged this was orchestrated by Burke and they’d been talking with the Leafs about Colborne for weeks. To bypass the Burke-Nonis connection, the Oilers would’ve had to outbid the Flames. Which would mean dealing a 3rd round pick. Which would mean only having a first round pick next draft and nothing until the 5th round (since the Oilers don’t have a 2nd or 4th next year). A high price to pay for someone who might be a centre version of Ryan Hamilton (big, slow guy who put up numbers in the AHL but no NHL track record).

  21. Woodguy says:

    prairieschooner:
    Can someone explain what wiggle room the Oilers have left as we talk about additional pick ups
    I thought Smac had to stay with the big club because he was a waiver pick up

    They have very little wiggle room with 49 players on the 50 man.

    Smac going on IR effectively keeps him on the roster.

    As soon as he’s healthy (if, sounds like a bad one) they’ll either keep him or waive him.

    If they waive him, PIT gets first shot, then the rest do.

  22. prairieschooner says:

    Woodguy,

    I thought we were stuck with Smac because he was a waiver pick up ?

  23. Young Oil says:

    If they wanted to save cap space, why not waive Grebs instead of Larsen? Larsen played better, and Grebs costs more…

  24. Young Oil says:

    Also, if SMac is on the IR, who is the 23rd man on the team roster? Could this be an indication that one more move is coming? *Fingers crossed*

  25. Chris109 says:

    Woodguy: I think they are trying to sneak Larsen and Hamilton through now when the wire is full rather than later in the year when someone might have a need and not trying to get all their guys through.

    With the new waiver rules, if a player clears once, you can send them back and forth all year without exposing them to waivers.

    Can’t send them back and forth all year without exceptions unfortunately.

    According to Jonathan Willis’ article , they don’t have to clear waivers if:

    a) they haven’t played 10 NHL games since they last cleared

    and

    b) they haven’t been on an NHL roster for more than 30 days

  26. Chris109 says:

    Young Oil:
    If they wanted to save cap space, why not waive Grebs instead of Larsen? Larsen played better, and Grebs costs more…

    I don’t think you can waive a guy that’s currently injured.

  27. Young Oil says:

    Chris109: I don’t think you can waive a guy that’s currently injured.

    I know, but if Grebs is injured to start the season then why wouldn’t Larsen be the 7D?

    If Grebs and SMac are on the IR to start the season, we only have 21 players of 23 on the roster…they had cap space to keep Larsen and Hamilton, I’m not sure why they were sent down…

  28. Numenius says:

    Woodguy:

    With the new waiver rules, if a player clears once, you can send them back and forth all year without exposing them to waivers.

    Are you serious? That’s a big change. Hopefully Larsen sneaks through.

    On another note, I’m really happy with the Ference captaincy. I don’t see anything wrong with the fact that he hasn’t played here yet and I agree with Eakins that he seems to have the whole package. All the other options (e.g. Gagner, Hall) have at least one or two reasons for hesitation at this point.

  29. Woodguy says:

    Chris109: Can’t send them back and forth all year without exceptions unfortunately.

    According to Jonathan Willis’ article , they don’t have to clear waivers if:

    a) they haven’t played 10 NHL games since they last cleared

    and

    b) they haven’t been on an NHL roster for more than 30 days

    Thanks for the link.

    Amounts to close to same.

    Not having to sweat moving guys back and forth is a big deal.

  30. Woodguy says:

    prairieschooner:
    Woodguy,

    I thought we were stuck with Smac because he was a waiver pick up ?

    You have to keep him on the active roster or waive them like any other player.

    You can’t claim a guy then immediately try to put them in the minors.

    You have to put waiver claims on your active roster.

    If you decide to send them down after they’ve been on the roster (don’t know if there is a minimum time they need to be on the roster) they have to clear waivers (they didn’t clear the first time) and the original team that waived them (in this case PIT) can claim them and send them down (where they’d have to clear), any other team claiming would have to put him on the roster.

  31. Hammers says:

    Young Oil: I know, but if Grebs is injured to start the season then why wouldn’t Larsen be the 7D?

    If Grebs and SMac are on the IR to start the season, we only have 21 players of 23 on the roster…they had cap space to keep Larsen and Hamilton, I’m not sure why they were sent down…
    Your forgetting RNH . This makes sense as you have 30 days to move Hamilton or Larsen and my guess is the Nuge misses about 4 games so better to do it now than in 10 days . This also allows Eakins to do a few creative things if he wants to . Example Nuge comes back Arco goes to 14th spot and he plays with Ebs / Perron or he keeps Arco where he is puts Nuge with Hall/ Hemsky and Smyth goes to 3rd Joensuu to 4th .

  32. prairieschooner says:

    Thanks Woodguy

  33. Gerta Rauss says:

    Woodguy: I think they are trying to sneak Larsen and Hamilton through now when the wire is full rather than later in the year when someone might have a need and not trying to get all their guys through.

    With the new waiver rules, if a player clears once, you can send them back and forth all year without exposing them to waivers.

    I think waiver eligible players have to clear again after 30 days. You’re right though, they are trying to sneak the 2 players through now and give them some flexibility in the short term. And with the abolition of the recall waivers they can move these players up/down as needed until they need to clear again.

  34. Jon K says:

    Woodguy,

    Yeah absolutely, WG. It’ll be interesting to see of GMs are a little less risk averse to sending down players with the waiver cluster under the new CBA.

  35. Gerta Rauss says:

    Woodguy: You have to keep him on the active roster or waive them like any other player.

    You can’t claim a guy then immediately try to put them in the minors.

    You have to put waiver claims on your active roster.

    If you decide to send them down after they’ve been on the roster (don’t know if there is a minimum time they need to be on the roster) they have to clear waivers (they didn’t clear the first time) and the original team that waived them (in this case PIT) can claim them and send them down (where they’d have to clear), any other team claiming would have to put him on the roster.

    In SMacs case, the order of waiver claim(s) stays the same based on the standings..PIt does not have first crack at him. Pit DOES however, have the option to send him directly to the AHL if their claim is successful(without having to clear again) Any other team has to keep him on the roster and waive him again if they want to send him to the AHL.

    I’m pretty sure this is the case-this happened with Chorney and St Louis a couple years ago, granted, perhaps there was no other teams that put in a claim.

    /nitpick

  36. Bank Shot says:

    Gerta Rauss: I think waiver eligible players have to clear again after 30 days. You’re right though, they are trying to sneak the 2 players through now and give them some flexibility in the short term. And with the abolition of the recall waivers they can move these players up/down as needed until they need to clear again.

    Hamilton and Larsen are fringe NHLers at best anyway. I doubt they get claimed. Larsen was a throw in on a salary dump trade. If anyone wanted him in the offseason, he probably could have been had.

  37. Henry says:

    Cormier-Eager-Gazdic could be a decent fourth line particularly if battling the dirty play of the Kassian and Wieses of hockey with filth is to be the MO for the Oilers.

  38. hunter1909 says:

    Fixall with Rexall:
    hunter1909,

    I’m not that optimistic but its night and day compared to last year. It’s not even close. This is a real NHL defense. Our first since 06.

    Agreed.

    Now, if they only could do something proactive about that pesky, currently unfilled nonexistent NHL centre position…

    I was a pretty blind optimist, prior to the Kassian/Gagner stick.

    Fortunately, life has more to offer this season, so far at least in the pre-season part. I mean really, how do they expect anyone to follow this Sahara Desert of a hockey franchise?

  39. Gerta Rauss says:

    Bank Shot,

    For sure, our guys are no better than any of the dozens of fringe players that have/will pass through waivers. I haven’t seen much of Larsen(golf trip through Nova Scotia had me on the road most of the last month) but the kids sounds like he has some skill…maybe MAB 2.0??

    Anyway, I’d rather both be our property than any other NHL organization…that depth thing and all that…

  40. Andropod says:

    At the end of the day, I have seen well coached teams of regular players beat less well coached collections of superstars more often than not.

    I don’t think Eakins won with the Marlies because he was gifted a ridiculously talented roster. He won because he was able to bring out the best in each member of a pretty regular AFL roster – some brilliance, some average and some that were best replaced, which they were.

    I think Eakins has a more talented roster relative to the rest of the NHL, and if he was able to do what he did with a roster that was not necessarily the most talented in the AHL, then surely he should do exceptionally well with the #1 picks and new supporting cast that he has hand picked.

    Granted he did not achieve this in the first year. But surely to goodness this coach should be able to bring out enough battle in these players to improve their average goal scoring differential by at least +1.5.

    How would last year’s team have done with an average goal scoring differential improvement of +1.5? (1 more goal scored every other game plus 1 less goal per game allowed by the defense). Is that a reasonable minimum standard by which to judge this team? What differential would we need this year over last year to make the playoffs?

  41. Woodguy says:

    Woodguy,

    Gerta Rauss: In SMacs case, the order of waiver claim(s) stays the same based on the standings..PIt does not have first crack at him. Pit DOES however, have the option to send him directly to the AHL if their claim is successful(without having to clear again) Any other team has to keep him on the roster and waive him again if they want to send him to the AHL.

    I’m pretty sure this is the case-this happened with Chorney and St Louis a couple years ago, granted, perhaps there was no other teams that put in a claim.

    /nitpick

    I’m on my blackberry, so don’t have that part of the CBA in front of me.

    I could have sworn the previous team had priority.

    If not, thanks for the correction, that a key item.

  42. Lowetide says:

    Platzer with a goal again today: 3, 4-1-5 so far (Chase is 2, 4-0-4)! Crazy. Marco Roy is still injured which sucks.

  43. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    Woodguy,

    I’m on my blackberry, so don’t have that part of the CBA in front of me.

    I could have sworn the previous team had priority.

    If not, thanks for the correction, that a key item.

    Never fucking prepared!

  44. jp says:

    Andropod,

    +1.5 GPG would not be close to reasonable. Going off last seasons numbers for ease.
    +24 GF = 149 GF on the season. Tied for 3rd in the NHL.
    -48 GA = 86 GA (less than 2 a game). Best in the NHL by a mile (Chicago’s 102 was the best number last year).
    Chicago also had the best goal differential last year at +53. The improved Oilers would be +63.
    Hands down best team in the NHL might be asking too much of Eakins.

  45. jp says:

    Lowetide:
    Platzer with a goal again today: 3, 4-1-5 so far (Chase is 2, 4-0-4)! Crazy. Marco Roy is still injured which sucks.

    Great to see. Lets hope they keep it up, stay healthy and adjust to pro better than Hamilton, Martindale and Pitlick. A long way to go, but success early is better than none at all! Could be some later steals from the 2013 draft.

  46. Gerta Rauss says:

    Woodguy,

    I could be wrong. I’m basing my comment on a thread at HF boards years ago-the discussion was exactly as you described, and the moderator at the time stepped in and argued until he was blue in the face that the team trying to reclaim the player did NOT have waiver priority, the advantage they DID have was that they could assign the player to the AHL directly if their claim was successful.

    Either way, if the Pens want SMac back,I’d drive him to the airport myself if that expedited things.

  47. Professor Q says:

    iwin76,
    With a history of being mindlessly violent and suspended a lot.

  48. Professor Q says:

    A pro of obtaining Jeff Schultz: stacking up on not only those named Ryan but Schultz as well.

  49. fifthcartel says:

    Lowetide,

    It sucks Horvat and Domi both got sent back to London. It probably brings Platzer’s ice time down a bit.

  50. bendelson says:

    This is not good.
    This is bad.

    Playoffs?
    Think Jim Mora.

  51. Andropod says:

    jp:
    Andropod,

    +1.5 GPG would not be close to reasonable. Going off last seasons numbers for ease.
    +24 GF = 149 GF on the season. Tied for 3rd in the NHL.
    -48 GA = 86 GA (less than 2 a game). Best in the NHL by a mile (Chicago’s 102 was the best number last year).
    Chicago also had the best goal differential last year at +53. The improved Oilers would be +63.
    Hands down best team in the NHL might be asking too much of Eakins.

    So, what kind of goal differential should we expect from Eakins for him to be worth his chops?
    IIRC LT may have covered this off with his RE series wrap up but I’m hopping on the blog between “honey do’s” so I haven’t had a chance to look it up just yet.

    If anyone can suggest what would represent a reasonable Goal differential improvement with this year’s team over last year’s that would be great.

  52. oliveoilers says:

    Professor Q:
    A pro of obtaining Jeff Schultz: stacking up on not only those named Ryan but Schultz as well.

    Is there a Ryan Schultz in the system? He’d be a good fit here.

  53. Lowetide says:

    Andro: I have 231 GF and 218 GA.

  54. Dead Cat Bounce says:

    The Oilers goal differential from last season is somewhat deceptive.

    In their final two games, they defeated Minnesota (with an injured goaltender) 6-1 despite being outshot 39-17.

    In the final game of the season, they played a Canucks team that was basically an AHL squad with the cherry on the top being a -4 Cam Barker and won the game 7-2.

    That 13-3 differential in the those 2 games made things look much better than they actually were considering they went from -19 to -9 in the space of 28 hours.

    In the 10 games prior to those two (bigger sample size), the Oilers had a goal differential of -20.

  55. stevezie says:

    Listen you whiny babies: Will Acton is getting a shot because he has spent the last two full seasons impressing Dallas Eakins in person. Eakins is not a pee-wee coach. This is a professional hockey organization. No one cares who his dad is, including his dad.

    There is a pile of marginal NHLers available today- not one of them is anything more than that- Eakins looked into that pile and said, “I’ll take the one I know and trust to do what I want him to do.”

    Maybe someone is better, but no one is a slam dunk and it is obvious by the 4th line winger that we are riding our top 9 anyway.

    I love that strategy! With conditioning and tv timeouts a good forward should be able to play eighteen minutes.

    I think the reason Arcobello is getting this audition is because management knows RNH is about five games away. I believe that because explains otherwise inexplicable decisions.

    Yes we would be better off with a good fourth line. I think Eager and Smac are useless NHLers and Brown isn’t very far ahead. That said we’re out of value contracts and need to save money somewhere. It is clear this team is being built to live and die by their top nine and a platoon of D.

    It’s not that dumb.

  56. fifthcartel says:

    Mathieu Perreault gets dealt to Anaheim for a 4th and some AHLer.

  57. Hammers says:

    Usual TSN garbage on TV . Don’t really disagree on Oilers being 5th in the pacific but the only team they agreed on in the central was Winnipeg out . . Also think Anaheim maybe 6th with Phoenix & Oil fighting for 4-5 . The center of the universe has spoken yet again . Even had Toronto in and Montreal out .

  58. regwald says:

    Lowetide: Never fucking prepared!

    the man owns a BB. that explains so much … ;) … j/k …

    I finally traded my personal BB in for a Samsung Galaxy this spring.

  59. Ice Sage says:

    stevezie: Listen you whiny babies: Will Acton is getting a shot because he has spent the last two full seasons impressing Dallas Eakins in person. Eakins is not a pee-wee coach. This is a professional hockey organization. No one cares who his dad is, including his dad.There is a pile of marginal NHLers available today- not one of them is anything more than that- Eakins looked into that pile and said, “I’ll take the one I know and trust to do what I want him to do.” Maybe someone is better, but no one is a slam dunk and it is obvious by the 4th line winger that we are riding our top 9 anyway.I love that strategy! With conditioning and tv timeouts a good forward should be able to play eighteen minutes. I think the reason Arcobello is getting this audition is because management knows RNH is about five games away. I believe that because explains otherwise inexplicable decisions. Yes we would be better off with a good fourth line. I think Eager and Smac are useless NHLers and Brown isn’t very far ahead. That said we’re out of value contracts and need to save money somewhere. It is clear this team is being built to live and die by their top nine and a platoon of D. It’s not that dumb.

    Stop making sense

  60. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    Andro: I have 231 GF and 218 GA.

    Weren’t those the quarter pole stats for the ’83 Oilers?

  61. Kris11 says:

    Dead Cat Bounce:
    The Oilers goal differential from last season is somewhat deceptive.

    In their final two games, they defeated Minnesota (with an injured goaltender) 6-1 despite being outshot 39-17.

    In the final game of the season, they played a Canucks team that was basically an AHL squad with the cherry on the top being a -4 Cam Barker and won the game 7-2.

    That 13-3 differential in the those 2 games made things look much better than they actually were considering they went from -19 to -9 in the space of 28 hours.

    In the 10 games prior to those two (bigger sample size), the Oilers had a goal differential of -20.

    Do you know why you aren’t supposed to do this kind of reasoning with data or are you really more ignorant than even we guessed?

  62. stevezie says:

    bendelson,

    Bendelson you nay-saying sonuvabitch. I thought I knew you.

  63. Lowetide says:

    Moroz with a goal this afternoon: 4, 2-1-3 to start the season.

  64. Gerta Rauss says:

    Woodguy,

    I found this in the CBA
    13.22
    When a Club claims a Player on Regular or Unconditional Waivers, and, subsequently,
    in the same season it requests Waivers on the same Player and the original owning Club is the successful and only Club making a Waiver claim, then the original owning Club shall be entitled to Loan such Player to a club in another league within thirty days without further Waivers being asked; provided that such Player has not participated in ten or more NHL Games (cumulative) and remained on an NHL roster more than thirty days (cumulative) following such successful claim.

    I’m not a lawyer and may have overlooked something, but I can’t find anything that says the original owing club has waiver priority. I think that item has been repeated on the internet so often that it has become gospel.

    I found this (unrelated) item as well which I thought was interesting:

    ARTICLE 13 13.14-13.16

    (b) A Player who is placed on Waivers by his Club may request permission from his Club to contact other Clubs during the applicable Waiver period to discuss such other Clubs’ level of potential interest in the Player’s services. The Club may decline such request in its sole discretion. If such permission is granted, it must be evidenced in writing from the Club, with a copy to Central Registry and the NHLPA, all in accordance with Exhibit 3 hereof.

  65. Gerta Rauss says:

    Lowetide,

    Is Moroz going to get a push this season? It seems to me that if you want to see if the kid has any offensive chops you give him some PP time and lots of minutes. With the roster turnover of the Oil Kings you’d think they can find him some cherry minutes…no?

  66. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Good God.

    Just got back from a weekend wedding deal for distant relatives.

    (Speaking of which. Congrats to Fuzzy Muppet. I’ve been married for a month now. I have no meaningful advice)

    But… good god!!!

    What the fuck MacT?

    I speculated the other day that the Smac pick up was the result of a correction, the way most things fall back to the mean after a strong push or pull in one direction.

    After years we may be able to even out the fits and starts and show a clear progression… Right now, it just looks like MacT came in, tried on a new suit for a few months, saw a guy wearing his old suit, got nostalgic, burned the new suit and dusted his old suit off to go for a strut.

    None of these moves make any sense.

    I really hope Larsen clears and these plugs all develop spleen issues or at the very least come as advertised and play so horribly MacT gives up on his retreat to insanity.

  67. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Really hope Platzer finds a way to shine with the kids coming home to roost.

  68. Lowetide says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Lowetide,

    Is Moroz going to get a push this season? It seems to me that if you want to see if the kid has any offensive chops you give him some PP time and lots of minutes. With the roster turnover of the Oil Kings you’d think they can find him some cherry minutes…no?

    Think so, he’s playing on a line with Samuelsson currently and that’s top of the line. The thing about Moroz is that he’s having a nice start but needs to keep it going and get a little lucky. He’s a big kid and when things don’t go well he sags.

    So early start=good.

  69. RexLibris says:

    Good news: Yakimov, Chase, Platzer, Pitlick emerging, Marincin, Nurse, Tuohimaa (2gp, .924), Davidson, Fedun, Joensuu, Perron, Jones waived

    Bad news: Acton, R. Hamilton, Gagner’s chiclets, MacIntyre, Gozdic, Jones re-signed, Lander stalled, missed opportunities on the waiver wire, questions emerging about verbal matching actions

    I see some good, some bad, and a fair bit of in-between. Fans are freaking out because we know how important this season is, and I think there is some concern that this is where the rubber hits the road and emotional investments are now required to start paying dividends.

    Several have noted that October is going to be ugly, and arguably so. That being said, until we get to the middle to end of November I’m not sure we can really start ripping anyone, either on the ice or in management/coaching.

    For what it is worth, I still wish they had let MacIntyre go by, claimed Gozdic and Luke Adam on waivers and kept Larsen over Grebeshkov. But I’m just a fan, what do I know?

  70. stevezie says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: None of these moves make any sense.

    With respect, what moves are you talking about? Gazdic is SMac with a funnier name- its the same move.
    Larsen is waived because of Grebs and Potter- there’s a case to be made we’re waiving the wrong one but I don’t think understand why this represents a step backwards- none of them are cavemen D.
    Hamilton going down For SMac/Gazdic is… well it kind of sucks but it’s not really a big deal, is it? I thought we were all satisfied but not blown away by Hamilton? Was I misreading the room?

  71. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Best marriage advice I’ve ever heard was:

    A good marriage requires that you constantly fall in love – always with the same person.

    and

    A good marriage doesn’t mean not going to be angry, but it does mean not going to bed without saying “I love you”.

  72. stevezie says:

    RexLibris: For what it is worth, I still wish they had let MacIntyre go by, claimed Gozdic and Luke Adam on waivers and kept Larsen over Grebeshkov. But I’m just a fan, what do I know?

    I agree with all this. Second guessing is what we’re here for, but some of you seem like you need me elevate your legs and administer nitro.

  73. RexLibris says:

    Roughriders have lost four straight. Must be 5 minutes to panic o’clock in the Land of the Living Skies.

  74. bendelson says:

    stevezie,

    Yes, I fear my normal, cheerful, optimistic self has been compromised. Let’s hope it’s not a permanent development and my sunny disposition returns.

    Until then, I’ll be in the basement playing Utopia.

    Great last line in your ‘listen you whiny babies’ post.
    I do believe it says it all.

  75. RexLibris says:

    stevezie: I agree with all this. Second guessing is what we’re here for, but some of you seem like you need me elevate your legs and administer nitro.

    I’m not freaking out here. This team has been so far down for so long that, realistically, I can’t expect some massive tectonic shift in habits or outcomes over one off-season. A lot has been done these past few months already, but the intense serial nature of sports media today means that what happened yesterday doesn’t matter anymore, only what is happening right now.

    Paajarvi for Perron. Still a strong deal and the kind of thing fans are asking for but seem to have forgotten has already occurred.

  76. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    stevezie: With respect, what moves are you talking about? Gazdic is SMac with a funnier name- its the same move.
    Larsen is waived because of Grebs and Potter- there’s a case to be made we’re waiving the wrong one but I don’t think understand why this represents a step backwards- none of them are cavemen D.
    Hamilton going down For SMac/Gazdic is… well it kind of sucks but it’s not really a big deal, is it? I thought we were all satisfied but not blown away by Hamilton? Was I misreading the room?

    Systemic problem: C depth.

    Symptoms of bad analysis, poor solutions to fix phantoms.

    1. Pick up Smac
    2. fail to reduce meat to reasonable number (0 or at least only 1). Keep both Eager and Brown.
    3. Waive Larsen and Hamilton. Larsen is a big mistake in my mind, esp. if he gets picked up. Waive Potter or Grebs when they are healthy. hamilton is IMO better than Eager, Brown, Smac, Gadzooks, and Acton. I don’t mind waiving him if it for a better player… not for meat.
    4. Pick up Gadzooks. completely absurd. The fact that Smac is injured doesn’t make this any sweeter. It just means we have two spots taken up by huge, useless meat.
    5. Ignore legit options at W and C available via trade, waiver wire, or FA.

    This has been a horrible, horrible, week. brutal.

  77. hunter1909 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: This has been a horrible, horrible, week. brutal.

    For me it’s slightly different:

    1. Play Hall with scrubs. Help make him look like a lousy player with players who either cannot or will not play properly.
    2. Overlook Hall as captain, for a player who’s never played a second for the Oilers, but who won a cup as a minor MacT style contributor…same old same old…
    3. Pick up Smac and Bang! He’s on IR. Wtf??…
    4. some of the things you write.

    It feels like, and cannot back anything up with facts or anything…like someone up in oiler management is starting to lose it. And well wishes from Lowetide commentators won’t change anything.

    Maybe it’s a zen thing.

  78. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Eakins Cap explanation doesn’t make much sense. Without that Gadzooks pick up it looks like Larsen and Hamilton would fit under the cap before “last day of training camp” making the Oil compliant and even more so once the folks go on LTIR/IR.

    The other argument (that they chose Potter/Grebs over Larsen but want to keep Larsen so sent him down when they feel he has the best shot to clear) makes more sense… though I think it is the wrong move.

  79. hunter1909 says:

    There’s still the stench of cheap riverboat gamblers running this team since millennial’s were still in kindergarten.

  80. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: Never fucking prepared!

    I’m awful.

  81. Kris11 says:

    The more and more I think about it, the more I suspect that management very likely believes that RNH is all but certain to miss less than, say, 5 games. If you don’t mind Acton as a 4C and RNH will play very soon, then depth at C is less (though it is still there) of a priority than it seems to us.

  82. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: I’m awful.

    The first step is a new blackberry. :-)

  83. Woodguy says:

    stevezie:
    Listen you whiny babies: Will Acton is getting a shot because he has spent the last two full seasons impressing Dallas Eakins in person. Eakins is not a pee-wee coach. This is a professional hockey organization. No one cares who his dad is, including his dad.

    There is a pile of marginal NHLers available today- not one of them is anything more than that- Eakins looked into that pile and said, “I’ll take the one I know and trust to do what I want him to do.”

    Maybe someone is better, but no one is a slam dunk and it is obvious by the 4th line winger that we are riding our top 9 anyway.

    I love that strategy! With conditioning and tv timeouts a good forward should be able to play eighteen minutes.

    I think the reason Arcobello is getting this audition is because management knows RNH is about five games away. I believe that because explains otherwise inexplicable decisions.

    Yes we would be better off with a good fourth line. I think Eager and Smac are useless NHLers and Brown isn’t very far ahead. That said we’re out of value contracts and need to save money somewhere. It is clear this team is being built to live and die by their top nine and a platoon of D.

    It’s not that dumb.

    I don’t see many people complaining that Acton is 4C.

    I’m complaining that Acton is 4C and there isn’t another C on the roster, but the roster has Gozdic, Brown and Eager.

    All 3 of those players have dubious hockey value.

    Change one of those into another 4 to cover for injuries and give some depth to the active roster and the whining would be minimal.

    The other C doesn’t even have to play in front of Acton, who really cares.

    If Arco gets dinged in a game day skate there is no option on the roster for his spot, yet there are 3 guys who can punch, two of whom will probably be healthy scratches more than they will play.

    Not good.

  84. Suntory Hanzo says:

    bendelson,

    Utopia for the Intellivision?

    That game was sweet. Left island got more rain it seemed.

  85. Woodguy says:

    regwald: the man owns a BB. that explains so much … … j/k …

    I finally traded my personal BB in for a Samsung Galaxy this spring.

    Touch keys are for kids.

    I need me a nice querty board with real buttons and I can fly.

    I need a business tool, not a toy.

    Would move in a heartbeat if anyone put a good one out.

  86. Woodguy says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Woodguy,

    I found this in the CBA
    13.22
    When a Club claims a Player on Regular or Unconditional Waivers, and, subsequently,
    in the same season it requests Waivers on the same Player and the original owning Club is the successful and only Club making a Waiver claim, then the original owning Club shall be entitled to Loan such Player to a club in another league within thirty days without further Waivers being asked; provided that such Player has not participated in ten or more NHL Games (cumulative) and remained on an NHL roster more than thirty days (cumulative) following such successful claim.

    I’m not a lawyer and may have overlooked something, but I can’t find anything that says the original owing club has waiver priority. I think that item has been repeated on the internet so often that it has become gospel.

    I found this (unrelated) item as well which I thought was interesting:

    ARTICLE 13 13.14-13.16


    (b) A Player who is placed on Waivers by his Club may request permission from his Club to contact other Clubs during the applicable Waiver period to discuss such other Clubs’ level of potential interest in the Player’s services. The Club may decline such request in its sole discretion. If such permission is granted, it must be evidenced in writing from the Club, with a copy to Central Registry and the NHLPA, all in accordance with Exhibit 3 hereof.

    Thanks Gerta.

    I blew it.

  87. Woodguy says:

    RexLibris:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Best marriage advice I’ve ever heard was:

    A good marriage requires that you constantly fall in love – always with the same person.

    and

    A good marriage doesn’t mean not going to be angry, but it does mean not going to bed without saying “I love you”.

    Best advice I ever got was:

    “Would you rather be happy or right? Pick one, you won’t have both”

  88. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: Best advice I ever got was:

    “Would you rather be happy or right?Pick one, you won’t have both”

    Heh. Those are all good. My father-in-law once brought two beer to the steps of his house, because he wasn’t going to let me inside (where I would have been killed). He said, “Son, you’ve married a newer version of my wife. Let me tell you how I do it: every night when I get home from work I lay down the law. And there it lies.”

    :-)

  89. Ryan says:

    Woodguy: Touch keys are for kids.

    I need me a nice querty board with real buttons and I can fly.

    I need a business tool, not a toy.

    Would move in a heartbeat if anyone put a good one out.

    They did. It’s called an iPhone.

    I was a bb holdout for years myself, but I went iphone in 2010 and would never go back.

    I have had a problem since with the exception of commenting on LT’s blog with one. ;)

  90. Lowetide says:

    Moroz another goal. Nice start to the season.

  91. Ryan says:

    The camel’s back for me with bb was 2 weeks after the last one I bought, one of the pins just fell out (for charging the phone). I took it back and the tech told me it had water damage because a water sensor dot turned pink. Lol. I had never got the phone wet and the phone actually worked with the exception of the missing pin that prevented from charging. Either way, I had paid cash for the phone, so getting burned like that on top of having to buy a new one every year anyway since they wore out so fast was enough to finally move me and anyone except Woodguy’ over to Apple. :)

  92. Captain Smarmy says:

    Woodguy: Touch keys are for kids.

    I need me a nice querty board with real buttons and I can fly.

    I need a business tool, not a toy.

    Would move in a heartbeat if anyone put a good one out.

    A post from the year 2007…. wooooohhhooo (Ghost sounds)

  93. Woodguy says:

    Ryan: They did.It’s called an iPhone.

    I was a bb holdout for years myself, but I went iphone in 2010 and would never go back.

    I have had a problem since with the exception of commenting on LT’s blog with one.

    I tried an iphone.

    I need real keys like a blackberry.

    I type a ton on my phone, mostly for business.

    I would have an aneurysm if I had to do it all on a touch screen.

  94. Dead Cat Bounce says:

    Lowetide:
    Moroz another goal. Nice start to the season.

    Just noodling around the WHL website and noticed Oliver Bjorkstrand of the Portland Winterhawks has scored 6G 6A 12P +6 in only 4GP.

    3rd round pick of CBJ.

    Another Mighty Dane.

  95. Woodguy says:

    Captain Smarmy: A post from the year 2007…. wooooohhhooo (Ghost sounds)

    Get off my lawn!

    I don’t like the look of those teenagers over there either.

  96. Dead Cat Bounce says:

    Woodguy: I tried an iphone.

    I need real keys like a blackberry.

    I type a ton on my phone, mostly for business.

    I would have an aneurysm if I had to do it all on a touch screen.

    There’s an App for that:

    http://ipod.about.com/od/introductiontotheiphone/tp/keyboards-for-iphone.htm
    :)

  97. Woodguy says:

    stevezie:
    Listen you whiny babies: Will Acton is getting a shot because he has spent the last two full seasons impressing Dallas Eakins in person. Eakins is not a pee-wee coach. This is a professional hockey organization. No one cares who his dad is, including his dad.

    There is a pile of marginal NHLers available today- not one of them is anything more than that- Eakins looked into that pile and said, “I’ll take the one I know and trust to do what I want him to do.”

    Maybe someone is better, but no one is a slam dunk and it is obvious by the 4th line winger that we are riding our top 9 anyway.

    I love that strategy! With conditioning and tv timeouts a good forward should be able to play eighteen minutes.

    I think the reason Arcobello is getting this audition is because management knows RNH is about five games away. I believe that because explains otherwise inexplicable decisions.

    Yes we would be better off with a good fourth line. I think Eager and Smac are useless NHLers and Brown isn’t very far ahead. That said we’re out of value contracts and need to save money somewhere. It is clear this team is being built to live and die by their top nine and a platoon of D.

    It’s not that dumb.

    Further to my previous post….

    I’d be thrilled if they picked up another C on waivers and waived one of Eager/Brown (I guess they want a heavyweight, so I won’t include him) and would continue to be thrilled if that C never actually played a game before the Oilers waived him once RNH comes back.

    Its not Acton that pisses us off.

    Its that there are 4Cs on the roster and none in backup.

    Its that there are 3 “energy/puncher” type guys when the need at C is ignored.

    I hope like hell they don’t need that 5th C before RNH comes back, but if they do, they are screwed.

  98. Dead Cat Bounce says:

    Woodguy: Get off my lawn!

    I don’t like the look of those teenagers over there either.

    Is it hard lifting your Underwood up to your ear?

  99. Woodguy says:

    Dead Cat Bounce: There’s an App for that:

    http://ipod.about.com/od/introductiontotheiphone/tp/keyboards-for-iphone.htm

    That’s like asking me to drive a Tercel after driving a Lexus.

  100. Dead Cat Bounce says:

    Woodguy: Further to my previous post….

    I’d be thrilled if they picked up another C on waivers and waived one of Eager/Brown (I guess they want a heavyweight, so I won’t include him) and would continue to be thrilled if that C never actually played a game before the Oilers waived him once RNH comes back.

    Its not Acton that pisses us off.

    Its that there are 4Cs on the roster and none in backup.

    Its that there are 3 “energy/puncher” type guys when the need at C is ignored.

    I hope like hell they don’t need that 5th C before RNH comes back, but if they do, they are screwed.

    The Oilers are a Hall injury away from the abyss.

    Can you imagine how things would look if Weise had made solid contact?

  101. Dead Cat Bounce says:

    Woodguy: That’s like asking me to drive a Tercel after driving a Lexus.

    Given the state of Blackberry and their antiquated phones and OS, I think you may be clinging dearly to an Edsel.

    http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Mini-Bluetooth-Ultra-thin-BLACK-Slid-Out-Wireless-Keyboard-for-iPhone-4-4S-4G-/271194881124?pt=US_Cell_Phone_PDA_Cases&hash=item3f24797c64&_uhb=1

  102. jake70 says:

    A little more off topic..I am considering Center Ice …..my TV carrier has an ad on one of my channels…..$199.00 (in 4 payments also if I want)….for the whole season. Anyone subscribe this year? Is 199.00 on par with other poviders? Searching around the internet, can’t find solid pricing to compare it to. Thanks in advance.

  103. Lowetide says:

    I have no idea what you are on about but it’s fun. 5 minutes to Hale–Bopp!

  104. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    I have no idea what you are on about but it’s fun. 5 minutes to Hale–Bopp!

    Is there supposed to be a comet sighting tonight?

  105. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Is there supposed to be a comet sighting tonight?

    Yes. Walter White.

  106. theres oil in virginia says:

    Woodguy:
    Get off my lawn!

    I don’t like the look of those teenagers over there either.

    Stubbornly holding on to your antiquated ideas even when most of Lowetide is berating you for it. Are you in Oilers management?

  107. magisterrex says:

    Dead Cat Bounce: Given the state of Blackberry and their antiquated phones and OS, I think you may be clinging dearly to an Edsel.

    http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Mini-Bluetooth-Ultra-thin-BLACK-Slid-Out-Wireless-Keyboard-for-iPhone-4-4S-4G-/271194881124?pt=US_Cell_Phone_PDA_Cases&hash=item3f24797c64&_uhb=1

    Best line ever from DSF, any site.

  108. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: Heh. Those are all good. My father-in-law once brought two beer to the steps of his house, because he wasn’t going to let me inside (where I would have been killed).He said, “Son, you’ve married a newer version of my wife. Let me tell you how I do it: every night when I get home from work I lay down the law.And there it lies.”

    I heard something similar: “I figure I’m right at least half of the time. I’m never right at home. Therefore I must always be right at work.”

  109. Young Oil says:

    Don’t know if anyone has mentioned this, but the Panthers signed Whitney for a 1 year 900K deal. Loading up on former Oiler D!

  110. bendelson says:

    Suntory Hanzo,

    What do you mean was sweet…?
    Are there better games out there that I don’t know about?

  111. Oilanderp says:

    Gauzeditch: we are here.

  112. stevezie says:

    Woodguy: I’d be thrilled if they picked up another C on waivers and… that C never actually played a game

    The one occurred to me too. I can only guess why they didn’t, and here it is:
    If Hall goes down we’re fucked anyway, Adam Hall’s not fixing that.
    If Acton goes down we’ll just call up Lander, it’s not that different.
    If Arco goes down we move Perron or Eberle to C for a couple games- it’s cool Nuge is coming back right away anyway.
    If Gordon goes down… ah boy I sure hope this doesn’t happen. I’m not sure Adam Hall fixes this either.

    In short, if we lose another C God hates us anyway so what’s the use in trying? The difference between Lander and Adam Hall isn’t fixing any of the above problems.

    ***

    I’m working too hard to defend what I agree is a problem. A good team, when healthy, should have everyone slightly overqualified for their role, because injuries always happen. Maybe this is an impossible dream, but the Oil aren’t even close to it at the center position.

  113. Dead Cat Bounce says:

    OK, I used Gadzooks early this morning but McCurdy stole it.

    Let’s try Gadzilla.

  114. stevezie says:

    Dead Cat Bounce,

    I like Gasdick.

  115. Dead Cat Bounce says:

    Young Oil:
    Don’t know if anyone has mentioned this, but thePanthers signed Whitney for a 1 year 900K deal. Loading up on former Oiler D!

    Worth noting:

    P/60 5V4 2013

    J. Schultz – 5.06

    R. Whitney – 4.25

    C. Potter – 1.69

    J. Petry – 0.00

    N. Schultz – 0.00

    L. Smid – 0.00

    If Tallon uses Whitney as a bottom pairing/ 7th D with PP time, that $900K contract could be a real bargain.

  116. VanOil says:

    jake70:
    considering Center Ice

    I used Center Ice last year and will again this year. $199 seems to be the going price.

    The advantage of Center Ice is you get all the games not Nationally televised. So if you like hockey enough not to watch the Oilers its a good deal. Most are in HD and you often get the choice to watch out of market broadcasters which is a perk given Sportsnets talent pool.

    The advantage of GameCenter (about the same price) is the DVR and replay functions built in if you do not have a DVR. You still need cable to get the TSN games. If this wasn’t the case I would have cut my Cable all together and went for GameCenter but as I am stuck with Cable for now (plus it helps my growing NFL addiction) I stick with Center Ice.

  117. Racki says:

    Woodguy: Thanks Gerta.

    I blew it.

    I’m kind of wondering if this is an old wives tale type of CBA rule that floated around, or something that changed over time, because you definitely aren’t the first one I’ve heard say that the original team has dibs and up until earlier this year I thought the same. A while back I found this mysterious passage in the CBA transcriptions that Gerta linked to above, and noticed this wasn’t actually in the CBA. But I wonder if this is something that was the case in the Old Testmanent.

  118. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Dead Cat Bounce: Worth noting:

    P/60 5V4 2013

    J. Schultz – 5.06

    R. Whitney – 4.25

    C. Potter – 1.69

    J. Petry – 0.00

    N. Schultz – 0.00

    L. Smid – 0.00

    If Tallon uses Whitney as a bottom pairing/ 7th D with PP time, that $900K contract could be a real bargain.

    This is the funniest franchise you’ve opened up in your trolling empire.

  119. Racki says:

    stevezie:
    Dead Cat Bounce,

    I like Gasdick.

    We don’t judge here, good on you for making that known to the community! :P

  120. Racki says:

    Dead Cat Bounce: Worth noting:

    P/60 5V4 2013

    J. Schultz – 5.06

    R. Whitney – 4.25

    C. Potter – 1.69

    J. Petry – 0.00

    N. Schultz – 0.00

    L. Smid – 0.00

    If Tallon uses Whitney as a bottom pairing/ 7th D with PP time, that $900K contract could be a real bargain.

    I don’t know, I could be wrong here, but powerplay ice time sounds like an important thing in order to get 5on4 Points per 60.

  121. rickithebear says:

    Luke G. 21 year AHL
    72 gM 9G 8A -3
    0.125G/gm 0.236Pt/gm

    Pitlick 21 year AHL
    44gm 3G 7A -7
    0.068G/gm 0.238pt/gm

    Pitlick a point of reference.
    luke more productive same age.

  122. RexLibris says:

    Mike Reilly diagnosed with a concussion.

    Just when I thought the Edmonton franchise on 1st overall selections was in peril, the Eskimos come to the rescue!

  123. Racki says:

    RexLibris:
    Mike Reilly diagnosed with a concussion.

    Just when I thought the Edmonton franchise on 1st overall selections was in peril, the Eskimos come to the rescue!

    Also, just when you thought the stigma Edmonton has of having sports medical staff that has players play injured was starting to go away…

  124. Dead Cat Bounce says:

    Racki: I don’t know, I could be wrong here, but powerplay ice time sounds like an important thing in order to get 5on4 Points per 60.

    Yes it is.

    But there’s a reason players like Petry, N. Schultz and Smid didn’t get much PP time.

    The coach had better options and one of them was Ryan Whitney.

    Perhaps Belov will fill that hole but there’s scant evidence that he will be able to do it.

  125. Dead Cat Bounce says:

    jake70:
    A little more off topic..I am considering Center Ice …..my TV carrier has an ad on one of my channels…..$199.00 (in 4 payments also if I want)….for the whole season.Anyone subscribe this year?Is 199.00 on par with other poviders?Searching around the internet, can’t find solid pricing to compare it to.Thanks in advance.

    NHL Game Centre Live is only $169.00 and can be implemented on your computer, tablet, phone and streaming box.

    In my case, I use it on my computer, iPad and Apple TV and, with a VPN service, it thinks I live in Sumas, Washington so there are no blackouts at all.

  126. Rebilled says:

    Tues vs. Jets – win in OT
    Sat vs Van – we’ve beat them by 3 lately so 6-3
    Mon vs Devils – Mickey Mouse organization but Puddy flies in with Jerry and Kramer to spark the Hell’s Satans. loss in OT
    Thurs vs. Habs – Price stinks up the joint – 4-2 win
    Sat vs Leafs – blowout – 6-1 win

  127. Dead Cat Bounce says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: This is the funniest franchise you’ve opened up in your trolling empire.

    You lose a PP asset and don’t replace it, you do so at your peril.

    That you find it humourous says far more about you than it does about me.

  128. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Dead Cat Bounce: OK, I used Gadzooks early this morning but McCurdy stole it.

    Well, I didn’t quite steal it because I didn’t see it, but I’m pretty sure you were first.

    How does that old saying go, “fools seldom differ” or something.

  129. Racki says:

    Dead Cat Bounce: You lose a PP asset and don’t replace it, you do so at your peril.

    That you find it humourous says far more about you than it does about me.

    Yah, Whitney’s 0 goals and 7 assists from the 2nd powerplay unit are going to be difficult to replace. Stop talking about crap you clearly don’t know anything about. The Oilers top powerplay unit is 4 forwards and a D. That isn’t going to change without Whitney because Whitney wasn’t part of the top powerplay last year. Krueger also drew ire from many Oil fans for choosing to put Whitney in the powerplay. It seemed like the Oil were showcasing him for a trade. He got dumped from the Blues camp for a reason. He really isn’t that good anymore and has lost a step. The Oilers can replace him with Ference or Belov or Petry.

  130. Dead Cat Bounce says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Well, I didn’t quite steal it because I didn’t see it, but I’m pretty sure you were first.

    How does that old saying go, “fools seldom differ” or something.

    You omitted the “great minds” part.

    Let’s go with that. :)

  131. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I can’t wait until Smac or Gotstuck gets waived and suddenly discover an ardent fan.

  132. Racki says:

    @Romulus
    Yes, when that moment comes, we will soon learn that without Steve MacIntyre, all hope is lost!

  133. Dead Cat Bounce says:

    Racki: Yah, Whitney’s 0 goals and 7 assists from the 2nd powerplay unit are going to be difficult to replace. Stop talking about crap you clearly don’t know anything about. The Oilers top powerplay unit is 4 forwards and a D. That isn’t going to change without Whitney because Whitney wasn’t part of the top powerplay last year. Krueger also drew ire from many Oil fans for choosing to put Whitney in the powerplay. It seemed like the Oil were showcasing him for a trade. He got dumped from the Blues camp for a reason. He really isn’t that good anymore and has lost a step. The Oilers can replace him with Ference or Belov or Petry.

    Really?

    These players had more PPTOI/G than Whitney last season.

    Taylor Hall – 3:14

    J. Schultz – 3:12

    Jordan Eberle – 3:11

    Ryan Nugent Hopkins – 3:02

    Sam Gagner – 2:55

    Ales Hemsky – 2:38

    Ryan Whitney – 2:35.

    Now, remind me again which of those players was playing the point on the PP.

    That he got “dumped” by the Blues likely has more to do with their tremendous depth on D and their PP options including Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, Jaybo and Leodpold than it does Whitney ability on the PP.

    Last season Ference played a total of 8:11 on the PP in 48 games so I doubt he’s a realistic option.

    Belov is an unknown.

    Petry only managed 0:35 mins/game last season and had ZERO production. He has 9 PP points in THREE NHL seasons.

    By way of example, Alex Edler has 44 PP points in the those same 3 seasons.

    That dog won’t hunt.

  134. RexLibris says:

    Racki: Also, just when you thought the stigma Edmonton has of having sports medical staff that has players play injured was starting to go away…

    What I found most interesting about that episode was watching Schultz and the other panel members (all of them CFL alumni) absolutely roast the team for letting him play again after the hit. As much as I was embarrassed as an Eskimos fan, I was so delighted to hear that coming from men who had a vested interest in a “the way things used to be” narrative.

    They were harsh, direct, and unequivocal in saying that taking head shots out of the game was necessary and that looking after players who have taken a hit like that is incumbent upon the training and coaching staff. Not to mention how the CFL hands out fines for headshots without drama and capriciousness.

    In football.

    Then we have the NHL’s response in the Weise “suspension”.

    I know which group I’d argue is the more professional and competent at this stage.

  135. Gerta Rauss says:

    There is a 30 min special on John Tortorella on Sportsnet Pacific for those so inclined.

    30 minutes!!

    #snicker

  136. Racki says:

    Dead Cat Bounce: Really?

    These players had more PPTOI/G than Whitney last season.

    Taylor Hall – 3:14

    J. Schultz – 3:12

    Jordan Eberle – 3:11

    Ryan Nugent Hopkins – 3:02

    Sam Gagner – 2:55

    Ales Hemsky – 2:38

    Ryan Whitney – 2:35.

    Now, remind me again which of those players was playing the point on the PP.

    That he got “dumped” by the Blues likely has more to do with their tremendous depth on D and their PP options including Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, Jaybo and Leodpold than it does Whitney ability on the PP.

    Last season Ference played a total of 8:11 on the PP in 48 games so I doubt he’s a realistic option.

    Belov is an unknown.

    Petry only managed 0:35 mins/game last season and had ZERO production. He has 9 PP points in THREE NHL seasons.

    By way of example, Alex Edler has 44 PP points in the those same 3 seasons.

    That dog won’t hunt.

    I’m not even sure where you’re going with this, and I’m not even sure you know.

    As I mentioned, Ryan Whitney wasn’t on the top powerplay. THE OILERS HAD 4 FORWARDS ON BOTH POWERPLAYS. Are you not understanding this? If you need me to do the math for you, that means that the top powerplay had Justin Schultz on it, the 2nd powerplay had Ryan Whitney on it. Ryan Whitney’s contributions were minimal. 7 Assists isn’t tremendous production. This isn’t exactly a large sample here either for your 5on4 PP/60.

    My point again was that he was an insignificant piece of the powerplay last year. He can be replaced by just about anyone. And 30 seconds per game of powerplay time is too insignificant an amount to gauge Petry’s ability on the powerplay. That’s hopping over the boards at the tail end of a couple of powerplays. It’s not a significant measurement. Krueger used Petry heavily in a defensive role with Smid. Ference also didn’t play powerplay in Boston because he also had a better group of D ahead of him. I’m not so certain he’ll get PP time here either, if Belov works out, and so far it looks like there is a good chance he will.

    At any rate, Ryan Whitney is even less significant of a loss to the Oilers as Linus Omark is. It’s sad to say that he’s really lost his game, and Florida are hoping to find it, on a bargain signing, much like the Oilers hoped with Cam Barker. Nothing more than that here, or teams would have been lining up at the door for Whitney and he wouldn’t have been last minute scraps.

  137. iHockeyWpg says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3pgmP_wnHc

    This is why we grabbed Gazdic. Immediate response to cheap shot con artists such as Kassian, Weise, Clutterbuck and the like.

  138. nycoil says:

    I just bought my oilers at rangers tickets at MSG Feb 6. Row 7 on the blue line. Got me the hour single game tickets were released. Luckily the Oil aren’t a popular draw here. I think this is the first time they visit Broadway since Hall’s rookie year. I did see them at Nassau Coliseum two seasons ago. 2nd row behind the penalty box for $50,. MSG however is many multiples of that expensive. Could go to six or seven isles games for one at MSG. But these days few places beat Madison Square Garden for atmosphere so I will bite the bullet.

    The bottom two lines plus Arcobello as 2C make me want to cry. Haven’t we suffered enough? LT, you are so right, sir, that the discourse on possession no longer meets the reality of Macintyre, Brown, Acton, Eager, and the wrong Luke now on the roster. Perrault out of Washington might have been a nice option as well for a temp 2C role. Has a hat trick in the show at least, instead we have “actual AHL player ” Arcobello. Just too many pluggers and question marks on this roster for the Oil to be a playoff team. Even guys playing well like Joensuu… Well, lets see how he’s doing with a job secured in December. I hope he is good, but so many question marks outside the number ones and Eberle. And even RNH we don’t yet know for sure how he will do the next time someone targets his shoulder for a big hit. The blue line no doubt looks better, but that’s coming from a terribly low bar to clear from last year. Hall has to stay healthy and not miss games due to his temper, play a new position AND have a supernova season for us to even have a chance. I don’t want to bet against him doing it, but it is criminal that 7years and 3 first overalls later, we need so much luck to have a chance, that we are up against the cap and the contract li MIT, that none of the high 2nd rounders has yet panned out, and the bottom 6 looks like an AHL bottom 6 aside from Gordon and Yak somehow being thrown in there.

  139. kinger_OIL says:

    Posted this in the wrong post: First post in awhile: last one a few years ago, suggesting that Kruger wasn’t perhaps all that as a hire, seeing as he was fired as Swiss head coach: got killed for that questioning. When I was a kid playing hockey, whenever the Coach had his Son playing, said son wasn’t any good, and teams with son’s on team sucked (except the one kid on on one of my teams who was superstar who made the NHL…). Acton isn’t on any NHL roster except the Oilers. Larsen > Grebs. Grebs contract > Larsen. Best player didn’t make the team. Eakins is from the same school as Ron Wilson: Anyone I know who is involved in hockey says Eakins is a huge arrogant prick. We switched from one coach with no NHL experience to another coach with no NHL experience: both great talkers who impressed media and fans alike. Wait untill the first 6 game losing streak, and see how the players and press like Eakins… Dude is a meglomaniac, which would be ok if he was winner at the NHL level. No NHL team has kept the same assistant coaches after multiple years of not making the playoffs. Buchberger and Smith Smith would not be assistant coaches on any other team,. Yes it sucks that Gagner and RNH are injured, but Smyth as a first line-player, ins’t on any first (or second) line for any team in the NHL. No playoff team has 2 of 4 centres that haven’t been NHL before… DD is OK , but I haven’t seen him “steal a game”. By December, this OIL team could be done for a generation: stars tuned out, many games out of the playoff, and an awful bottom six…Also, MacT missed his strategy and negociating courses in his executive MBA. Enough said. This team is so close to being lost for another generation, it is scary.

  140. Andropod says:

    Dead Cat Bounce: Really?

    These players had more PPTOI/G than Whitney last season.

    Taylor Hall – 3:14

    J. Schultz – 3:12

    Jordan Eberle – 3:11

    Ryan Nugent Hopkins – 3:02

    Sam Gagner – 2:55

    Ales Hemsky – 2:38

    Ryan Whitney – 2:35.

    Now, remind me again which of those players was playing the point on the PP.

    That he got “dumped” by the Blues likely has more to do with their tremendous depth on D and their PP options including Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, Jaybo and Leodpold than it does Whitney ability on the PP.

    Last season Ference played a total of 8:11 on the PP in 48 games so I doubt he’s a realistic option.

    Belov is an unknown.

    Petry only managed 0:35 mins/game last season and had ZERO production. He has 9 PP points in THREE NHL seasons.

    By way of example, Alex Edler has 44 PP points in the those same 3 seasons.

    That dog won’t hunt.

    You’re kidding, right? Did you ever watch Whitney at his “new” 100%? It was almost sickening to see how difficult it was for him to try to get back to where he once was and will likely never be again.
    He’s a great person for sure, but his ankles turned him into a pylon, sorry to say. You could say I “saw him bad” enough to sicken me a bit. It was sad but obvious.

    But if this is just to stir it up a bit – put together a plausible argument that we’d be better off with Whitney than Petry on this team I doubt you will get many buyers.

  141. Racki says:

    iHockeyWpg:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3pgmP_wnHc

    This is why we grabbed Gazdic.Immediate response to cheap shot con artists such as Kassian, Weise, Clutterbuck and the like.

    Wow, what a hammer to end that fight.

  142. Dead Cat Bounce says:

    Racki: I’m not even sure where you’re going with this, and I’m not even sure you know.

    As I mentioned, Ryan Whitney wasn’t on the top powerplay. THE OILERS HAD 4 FORWARDS ON BOTH POWERPLAYS. Are you not understanding this? If you need me to do the math for you, that means that the top powerplay had Justin Schultz on it, the 2nd powerplay had Ryan Whitney on it. Ryan Whitney’s contributions were minimal. 7 Assists isn’t tremendous production. This isn’t exactly a large sample here either for your 5on4 PP/60.

    My point again was that he was an insignificant piece of the powerplay last year. He can be replaced by just about anyone. And 30 seconds per game of powerplay time is too insignificant an amount to gauge Petry’s ability on the powerplay. That’s hopping over the boards at the tail end of a couple of powerplays. It’s not a significant measurement. Krueger used Petry heavily in a defensive role with Smid. Ference also didn’t play powerplay in Boston because he also had a better group of D ahead of him. I’m not so certain he’ll get PP time here either, if Belov works out, and so far it looks like there is a good chance he will.

    At any rate, Ryan Whitney is even less significant of a loss to the Oilers as Linus Omark is. It’s sad to say that he’s really lost his game, and Florida are hoping to find it, on a bargain signing, much like the Oilers hoped with Cam Barker. Nothing more than that here, or teams would have been lining up at the door for Whitney and he wouldn’t have been last minute scraps.

    P/60 5V4

    Gagner – 6.15

    Hemsky – 5.87

    Hall – 5.74

    J. Schultz – 5.06

    Hopkins – 4.91

    Whitney – 4.25

    Yakupov – 4.20

    Eberle – 3.46

    Horcoff – 3.13

    It would appear that Whitney made a significant contribution to the PP unless you believe the numbers lie.

  143. Dead Cat Bounce says:

    Andropod: You’re kidding, right? Did you ever watch Whitney at his “new” 100%? It was almost sickening to see how difficult it was for him to try to get back to where he once was and will likely never be again.
    He’s a great person for sure, but his ankles turned him into a pylon, sorry to say. You could say I “saw him bad”enough to sicken me a bit. It was sad but obvious.

    But if this is just to stir it up a bit – put together a plausible argument that we’d be better off with Whitney than Petry on this team I doubt you will get many buyers.

    That’s not what I said, although I don’t think all that much of Petry.

    I said Whitney could have great value as a 7th D and PP specialist at $900K.

    Tallon is no fool.

  144. Racki says:

    Dead Cat Bounce: 6.15
    Hemsky – 5.87
    Hall – 5.74
    J. Schultz – 5.06
    Hopkins – 4.91

    Your argument is beyond ridiculous.

    First off, it was 7 assists. You’re a smart guy.. you understand sample sizes. 7 assists is nowhere near enough to be considered a basis of a strong argument that he was a “significant contribution”.

    I find it hard to believe you honestly think the Oilers should carry that battle-broken defenseman around on their team. We know your shtick.. I fell for it, sadly. Ryan Whitney when he’s here is a disaster in your eyes, but when he’s gone, he’s the straw that stirs the drink on the team and PP dynamo.

    If that doesn’t end the argument, how about this little tidbit I dug up. Thank you, Vint Cerf.

    At their current level of performance, none of Whitney, Potter or Peckham belong in the NHL and Fistric is no more than a 7th defenseman.

    Good grief, the defensively challenged Dallas Stars cut Fistric loose.

    Take a guess who said that little gem. Hint: not many people outside of Charlie Brown use the phrase “good grief”.

  145. Andropod says:

    kinger_OIL:
    Posted this in the wrong post:First post in awhile: last one a few years ago, suggesting that Kruger wasn’t perhaps all that as a hire, seeing as he was fired as Swiss head coach: got killed for that questioning. When I was a kid playing hockey, whenever the Coach had his Son playing, said son wasn’t any good, and teams with son’s on team sucked (except the one kid on on one of my teams who was superstar who made the NHL…). Acton isn’t on any NHL roster except the Oilers. Larsen > Grebs. Grebs contract > Larsen. Best player didn’t make the team. Eakins is from the same school as Ron Wilson: Anyone I know who is involved in hockey says Eakins is a huge arrogant prick. We switched from one coach with no NHL experience to another coach with no NHL experience: both great talkers who impressed media and fans alike. Wait untill the first 6 game losing streak, and see how the players and press like Eakins… Dude is a meglomaniac, which would be ok if he was winner at the NHL level. No NHL team has kept the same assistant coaches after multiple years of not making the playoffs. Buchberger and Smith Smith would not be assistant coaches on any other team,. Yes it sucks that Gagner and RNH are injured, but Smyth as a first line-player, ins’t on any first (or second) line for any team in the NHL. No playoff team has 2 of 4 centres that haven’t been NHL before… DD is OK , but I haven’t seen him “steal a game”. By December, this OIL team could be done for a generation: stars tuned out, many games out of the playoff, and an awful bottom six…Also, MacT missed his strategy and negociating courses in his executive MBA. Enough said. This team is so close to being lost for another generation, it is scary.

    Would you have any URL’s referencing Ralph’s apparent firing as a Swiss Olympic Coach?

  146. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    iHockeyWpg:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3pgmP_wnHc

    This is why we grabbed Gazdic.Immediate response to cheap shot con artists such as Kassian, Weise, Clutterbuck and the like.

    A pox on all their houses seems like the only pro-hockey response here.

  147. B S says:

    Dead Cat Bounce,

    Firstly, you do realize Gagner played point on the 2nd pp right? Additionally, do YOU understand the stats? 6 assists in a 48 game season is less than impressive for a pp specialist. Your argument that Whitney made large contributions to the pp does not hinge on p/60, but cold hard absolute pp points. If you really want to get into it he had the highest GA/60 on the pp as well.

  148. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Dead Cat Bounce,

    DSF, are you Abbotsford based? I am, but am not right close to the border. Actually, when I go acorss to Sumas to gas up and grab cheap dairy, I can be in Sumas the whole time and not change over to AT&T.

    I have had Centre Ice before, but now don’t have cable anymore. so am thinking gamecentre. I watch everything thru my appletv. Can it link to my Appletv, ipad and computer, or is there a limit on devices? I like the idea of being able to start a game anytime. And being an Oiler fan, there should be no blackouts, save for perhaps when the Oil play in Vancouver.

    Any advice for me?

  149. gcw_rocks says:

    I think this is a good time to revisit some MacT quotes from when he was hired that got most folks around here excited (I was not one of them):

    “We need greater depth. We’ve got a lot of great primary pieces and this has a little bit of a wake feel walking in here and I want to put that all behind us from this point forward. I think that the future is extremely bright with these young players but we’ve got to add some depth. We’ve got primary pieces here but we’ve got to add some depth.”

    “Grit without skill, as I mentioned, is not something’s that’s going to move the dial of our team forward.”

    “Bottom line is getting good players…”

    But, he also said his actions would be what mattered, not his words. Well, clearly when MacT speaks, he is full of shit. His actions clearly tell us that.

  150. wheatnoil says:

    Jesus, the Maple Leafs are going to start the season with 11 forwards and 7 defensemen (and no extras) just to fit under the cap. Ouch!

  151. Lowetide says:

    wheatnoil:
    Jesus, the Maple Leafs are going to start the season with 11 forwards and 7 defensemen (and no extras) just to fit under the cap. Ouch!

    Looks like Oil might start with 22 (depending on who goes on IR)

  152. Big Dan says:

    All this belly aching about the 4 goons we have. Why does MacT investing so many roster spots?

    I just thought of the entertainment value October 5th will be. Wouldn’t that be something if Dallas Eakins scratches up his opening lineup, gives it to the league, and Torts reads:
    - Mike Brown
    - Steve MacIntyre
    - Luke Godzic
    - Ben Eager
    - Cameron Abney

    Now he has to decide if Dale Weise and Zack Kassian should start and take their lumps, or let somebody take their lumps for them.

    Then, after the ensuing mayhem after the puck drop, everybody goes to the box. There’s only 2 linesman, 1 referee, and 5 goons. Somebody is going to get their ass kicked.

    10 minutes later, if Weise or Kassian were not on the ice, our gorillas just wait until they are. Throw 4 or 5 goons on the ice, skate around the Vancouver bench and yell insults, create chaos, then find those guys who won’t be able to weasel away. Once those two idiots are (in my dreams) wheeled out in stretchers, MacT sends his hitmen down to the pressbox or ECHL until the next time he needs them.

    There will be fines and suspensions and wailing by the media. But a message will be sent by MacT, who is clearly PISSED. The days of Oilers getting beat up are over. The days of the boys on the bus (Semenko, McClelland, McSorley, etc) are back. Cheap shot our guys and we will beat you senseless the next time we play.

    If anything, it’ll be high entertainment value.

  153. wheatnoil says:

    Lowetide: Looks like Oil might start with 22 (depending on who goes on IR)

    Do you think they’ll be assigning Hamilton / Larsen to OKC if they clear waivers? I assumed they would keep them up if RNH, Gagner, SMac, Potter, and Grebs were all on IR. Then send down Hamilton when RNH returns and Larsen when Grebs/Potter returns.

    If they assign Hamilton and Larsen to OKC (even on paper), they start the season with $633K in cap space.

    http://www.capgeek.com/cap-calculator/roster/33220

  154. Lowetide says:

    wheatnoil: Do you think they’ll be assigning Hamilton / Larsen to OKC if they clear waivers? I assumed they would keep them up if RNH, Gagner, SMac, Potter, and Grebs were all on IR. Then send down Hamilton when RNH returns and Larsen when Grebs/Potter returns.

    If they assign Hamilton and Larsen to OKC (even on paper), they start the season with $633K in cap space.

    http://www.capgeek.com/cap-calculator/roster/33220

    That’s artificial though, right? Because some of that cap space is bonus which can be moved to next season if required (or that was my understanding).

  155. stevezie says:

    Big Dan: MacT, who is clearly PISSED.

    I agree with this. I didn’t watch that game but I get the impression the two hits were not isolated incidents. I thought I remembered MacT as an anti-fighting guy, but he is clearly pissed and a little afraid (after John Scott). Dangerous combination.

  156. Andropod says:

    Suntory Hanzo:
    Dead Cat Bounce,

    DSF, are you Abbotsford based?I am, but am not right close to the border.Actually, when I go acorss to Sumas to gas up and grab cheap dairy, I can be in Sumas the whole time and not change over to AT&T.

    I have had Centre Ice before, but now don’t have cable anymore. so am thinking gamecentre.I watch everything thru my appletv.Can it link to my Appletv, ipad and computer, or is there a limit on devices?I like the idea of being able to start a game anytime.And being an Oiler fan, there should be no blackouts, save for perhaps when the Oil play in Vancouver.

    Any advice for me?

    http://gamecenter.nhl.com/nhlgc/cdsignup.jsp

  157. kooler says:

    McClelland, McSorley and Semenko all played together somewhere around 84/86 when oil won cups. MacT using the old formula ?

  158. wheatnoil says:

    Lowetide: That’s artificial though, right? Because some of that cap space is bonus which can be moved to next season if required (or that was my understanding).

    It’s tough to understand, but if I’m reading capgeek correctly, I think it works like this with the roster I’ve laid out:

    The total cap hit for the Oilers (with Larsen & Hamilton sent down) is $68.49M. That number includes $9.15M in potential bonuses (going to RNH, Yakupov, Schultz, & Belov). By the new CBA, teams can carry 7.5% of the cap as bonuses (so this year that is $4,822,500) and not have that count against the cap. Everything in excess of that counts against the cap. SO, the Oilers cap hit is their total cap hit ($68.49M) minus the bonus cushion ($4,822,500), which gives them a cap hit of $63,666,667 (or $633K under the cap).

    What it amounts to, if I’m right, is that the Oilers have $4,327,500 of their potential performance bonuses already counting against the cap. If RNH, Yakupov, Schultz, and Belov combine for bonuses less than that amount, there’s no difference to the Oilers cap hit. If they combine for greater than that amount, then the Oilers have to have the cap space to pay them for it. If they don’t, then whatever they go over by gets penalized into next year.

  159. spoiler says:

    Per

    Per Matheson:

    When Sam Gagner was forced to undergo surgery to repair a broken jaw — an unnecessary, unfortunate turn of events caused by the stick-wielding Zack Kassian of the Vancouver Canucks — Ryan Nugent-Hopkins did not alter his timeline.

    He will continue to practise with the team and he’ll put in the necessary off-ice work to further strengthen his surgically repaired shoulder, but he said he cannot speed anything up at this point.

    “Obviously, with Sam out, it’s tough for sure, but I don’t think I can change anything,” said Nugent-Hopkins.

    “I want to play as soon as I can (so) it is tough for me to sit, especially when something like that happens, but I just have to be patient because I know in the long run that it will pay off.”

    When Nugent-Hopkins had the surgery, the Oilers had pegged Nov. 1 as a possible return date. The centre said he’s not sure how firm that date is now.

    “It will depend on the next couple of weeks. If I’m back sooner (than that), that would be awesome for me. I can’t wait to get back playing.”

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/edmonton-oilers/Nugent+Hopkins+eager+shoulder+load/8973119/story.html

    As far as the Ference Captaincy goes, I like the choice. There`s enough pressure and responsibility on the shoulders of the young stars that they didn`t need to be saddled with the captain`s yoke too.

    The roster seems weird, and I`m surprised at the Larson waivers, however managment knows best on who will pass through, based on the phone activity those names are getting, but to my eye he had earned a spot. Somebody must be comin off the injury list. But still feels like there could be another move.

    Gadzic move proves how determined they are to have a heavyweight on the roster on light of the SMac injury. The fact they are not showing the same determination at C tells me they really believe in Acton, who has been pretty strong as a face off specialist and has underrated brains. I haven`t seen enough to know, but Big D has a seen a lot of Acton and knows exactly what he has.

    I also think the Oil figured Arcobello deserves a better look than last year, and finding a temporary offensive replacement at C would be nigh on impossible. Given the proximity of Nuge`s return, spending a lot to overcome this problem probably doesn`t make sense to MacT.

    Eakins has a few challenges though in his first month on the job given the injuries, the roster and the uphill nature of the schedule. We`re about to discover the importance of coaching and whether or not it can buy some wins.

  160. Numenius says:

    wheatnoil: It’s tough to understand, but if I’m reading capgeek correctly, I think it works like this with the roster I’ve laid out:

    The total cap hit for the Oilers (with Larsen & Hamilton sent down) is $68.49M. That number includes $9.15M in potential bonuses (going to RNH, Yakupov, Schultz, & Belov). By the new CBA, teams can carry 7.5% of the cap as bonuses (so this year that is $4,822,500) and not have that count against the cap. Everything in excess of that counts against the cap. SO, the Oilers cap hit is their total cap hit ($68.49M) minus the bonus cushion ($4,822,500), which gives them a cap hit of $63,666,667 (or $633K under the cap).

    What it amounts to, if I’m right, is that the Oilers have $4,327,500 of their potential performance bonuses already counting against the cap. If RNH, Yakupov, Schultz, and Belov combine for bonuses less than that amount, there’s no difference to the Oilers cap hit. If they combine for greater than that amount, then the Oilers have to have the cap space to pay them for it. If they don’t, then whatever they go over by gets penalized into next year.

    Very interesting. If that’s right, they won’t be picking anyone else up on waivers this weekend (unless he’s getting paid less than $600,000).

  161. Zipdot says:

    Who is this Gazdic guy? Sounds like a condition of some sort.

  162. Hammers says:

    Can Tuesday just come a day early . All this shite I read drives me nuts .Because some reporter or blogger write something doesn’t mean a thing . It comes down to what McT gives Eakins then what he does with it . Lets give it a week . That’s 3 games . If not happy say what you want .To much drama especially from those we know are nuck/flame fans .

  163. VOR says:

    I do want to point out that by all possible metrics Ryan Whitney had a way above average season on the Oilers power play. He had 7 points which was in the top 45 D in hockey. He was on for 12 Power Play Goals for which is top 40 D while only on for the 59th most minutes by a D in the NHL.

    Truthfully, much as I hate to admit it, Dead Cat Bounce actually has a valid argument that Whitney might be great value as a 7D power play guy for the right team at $900,000. The devil, however, lies in the details. I can’t see how Whitney would be an upgrade on Kulikov who runs the 2PP in Florida.

    More importantly Dead Cat Bounce is also right that if the Oilers don’t have somebody who can fill that 2nd power play unit D job their offence might take a hit. Trying to argue Whitney didn’t do a great job on the 2nd PP unit just puts the arguer in the position of ignoring evidence in favor of their bias.

    We don’t know how important Whitney was to that power play unit or how any of the other guys would have done with that time but the evidence says Whitney sure didn’t stop the unit from working. That wasn’t completely down to his linemates on the 2PP. We all know the Oilers have at least two regular D who could pretty much kill any power play (Smid and N. Schultz they wisely didn’t use). I like both guys but they have no idea what to do on the power play. The question seems to be can Petry, Belov or maybe Potter fill Whitney’s minutes adequately so that the Oilers 2PP clicks right along. I’d argue that Potter (completely forgotten this year partly due to injury) has certainly shown in a limited trial that he probably can. Petry might be able to do so though I wouldn’t bet on it. We will only know if Belov can do it when we see him in action for real. Meanwhile a reduction of say 10 goals by the 2PP unit over 82 games might turn out to be the difference between a playoff birth and another lottery pick given the parity that seems to be emerging amongst the bubble teams. I would be happier if the Oilers had someone waiting in the wings who had shown they can run an NHL power play (think what happens if Justin Schultz gets tonsillitis).

  164. Zelepukin says:

    spoiler: The roster seems weird, and I`m surprised at the Larson waivers, however managment knows best on who will pass through, based on the phone activity those names are getting, but to my eye he had earned a spot. Somebody must be comin off the injury list. But still feels like there could be another move.

    I really hope Larsen clears waivers. He was a lock for me as the 7th man and given his contract situation, I would not have made that gamble solely to give Potter an opportunity to come off of IR and prove himself. Grebs is still Garbagekov and imo showed no upside over Larsen.

  165. wheatnoil says:

    Numenius: Very interesting. If that’s right, they won’t be picking anyone else up on waivers this weekend (unless he’s getting paid less than $600,000).

    Not necessarily. There’s other cap tricks they can pull. For instance, if they pick someone up on waivers that makes more thank $600K, they can assign Belov to the minors as a paper transaction (saving $1.5M in cap space) to put them under the cap to start the season. Then, they can immediately put Gagner on LTIR (since he’s likely to miss 21 days and 10 games), which allows them to go OVER the cap by an amount equivalent to Gagner’s cap hit. Then they can recall Belov and even though they’re technically over the cap, they’re allowed to be due to Gagner’s LTIR. Before Gagner comes off LTIR, they’ll have to waive someone or send someone down to be cap compliant again.

    Fun and games in the cap world!

  166. spoiler says:

    I have been reading good things about Gadzic… He`s better at hockey than SMac. Can play a little D and work the corners. Fan favourite… Coachable…

    “I’ve grown up with this organization. I was drafted when I was 17. I know fans in Austin and Cedar Park won’t want to hear this but I’m not looking to go back and play [in the AHL]. As brutal as that sounds, there’s no other mindset. If I don’t have that mindset going into camp with Dallas then why go at all? I want to have a shot to play in the NHL.”

    …and determined.

    According to the Texas GM, he had a very good TC. Stuck it out till the end and got in 3 games with MacDermid ahead of him on the depth chart.

  167. 719 says:

    wheatnoil: Not necessarily. There’s other cap tricks they can pull. For instance, if they pick someone up on waivers that makes more thank $600K, they can assign Belov to the minors as a paper transaction (saving $1.5M in cap space) to put them under the cap to start the season. Then, they can immediately put Gagner on LTIR (since he’s likely to miss 21 days and 10 games), which allows them to go OVER the cap by an amount equivalent to Gagner’s cap hit. Then they can recall Belov and even though they’re technically over the cap, they’re allowed to be due to Gagner’s LTIR. Before Gagner comes off LTIR, they’ll have to waive someone or send someone down to be cap compliant again.

    Fun and games in the cap world!

    Yes, but then they are only cap compliant. They are still technically spending right up to the cap, meaning there will be no cushion room if the players hit more than approximately 4.4 million worth of bonuses.

    If they assign Larsen and Hamilton to OKC, then they have some cap room and they will most likely need it. I know people are stating they will trade N. Schultz or Hemsky, but nothing is guaranteed. This move has allowed them some cap flexibility. To feel safe I would want to be at least 2.5 million under the cap, the last thing the Oil need is a cap bonus affecting next year’s cap, when they have 10 players signed for 42 million and the cap number may stay the same.

    If the Oilers were 2.5 million under the cap, it allows approximately 6.85 million for bonuses out of a potential 9.1 million.

    This is why I think they will assign Arcobello and Potter to the minors when everyone returns to health.

    Right now I calculated that the Oilers have 1.3 million in cap space. If they demote Arcobello when RNH is back, that is a savings of 600K (-the games he is on the big league roster) and Potter is a Savings of 775K (-the games he is on big league roster) This brings us to approximately 2.5 (depending on games on the games on the big league roster, I have given them 200K worth) and this is a pretty good bonus cushion considering that RNH is hurt, and Schultz, Yakupov and Belov likely won’t hit all their bonuses.

  168. 719 says:

    The overpayments to Jones and Grebeshkov are very damaging right now. If both were signed to 1 million dollar contracts, then we could have had potentially a 3.5 million cushion when everyone is healthy, which would provide much more confidence that a cap overage would not occur.

  169. Zipdot says:

    wheatnoil: What it amounts to, if I’m right, is that the Oilers have $4,327,500 of their potential performance bonuses already counting against the cap. If RNH, Yakupov, Schultz, and Belov combine for bonuses less than that amount, there’s no difference to the Oilers cap hit. If they combine for greater than that amount, then the Oilers have to have the cap space to pay them for it. If they don’t, then whatever they go over by gets penalized into next year.

    Thanks for the info. That sounds like it sucks. :) Cap hit is one thing I wish fans didn’t have to worry about. Alas, with the history of goof-ups, we have to second-guess management on this, too.

  170. 719 says:

    Sorry, subtract Will Acton’s 680K salary from all my numbers. The Oilers are uncomfortably close to bonus cushion penalties even with Potter and Arcobello going down eventually.

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