YOU WILL SOMEDAY

Craig MacTavish and Dallas Eakins are close to finalizing their roster, and it is certainly a different roster than we would have seen under Tambellini-Krueger. Gone are Shawn Horcoff, Nikolai Khabibulin, Magnus Paajarvi, Mark Fistric, Ryan Whitney and others. The new look Oilers are skilled at the top end, snarly at the bottom end and unproven in the middle.

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  • MacT: “We had a lot of guys that the best they were going to be in any given game was a non-factor.”

That was MacT in April, talking about the holes in the roster and what he planned to do about improving things. If you take a look at the 2012-13 bottom 6F, it’s easy to see what he was talking about:

5X5/60 (BOTTOM 6F) 2012-13

  1. Ryan Jones 1.38
  2. Lennart Petrell 1.36
  3. Shawn Horcoff 1.34
  4. Ryan Smyth 1.23
  5. Eric Belanger 0.66
  6. Mike Brown 0.42
  7. Teemu Hartikainen nil

The two men still standing from that list are Ryan Smyth (who has enjoyed a rebirth during TC) and Mike Brown (whose role on the team has more to do with enforcement/agitation than outscoring). The interesting thing for me is that the new group of bottom 6F’s is going to be much more skilled–and the names of the men in the bottom 6F’s are going to take some getting used to for fans.

As a for instance, let’s have a look at this potential opening night lineup (forwards only)

  • Hall-Smyth-Hemsky
  • Arcobello-Perron-Eberle
  • Gordon-Joensuu-Yakupov
  • Acton-R Hamilton-M Brown

The bottom 6F’s include a recent #1 overall, an extreme own-zone faceoff man, a big Finn with skill, and a player in Ryan Hamilton who scored 30 goals in 56 AHL games last season. There’s a lot more skill in the three and four lines this fall than there was a season ago, and the goal scoring rate for last year’s group above (16 goals in 48 games, or .33 goals per game) should be exceeded by the Yakupov alone!

The contrast becomes even more exceptional when Nuge and Gagner return:

  • Nuge-Hall-Hemsky
  • Gagner-Perron-Eberle
  • Gordon-Smyth-Yakupov
  • Acton-Joensuu-R Hamilton

That’s a helluva top 9, with a nice slot for Yakupov (who’ll be a hammer on the PP) although he could play up and down right side and be at home. I think the Oilers improvement this season will come from increased depth, but mostly from the kids maturing and pushing things forward. The fact that we’re not doing any ‘all hope is lost’ hand wringing after the Gagner assault suggests times are better.

Can that bottom 6F score at better than a .33/game rate?

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A note about Dallas Eakins. He probably spent some of his currency this week in getting Ryan Hamilton and Will Acton on the roster. I like it, shows the courage of his convictions. I’m not at all certain either player is a long term solution, but the bet’s been made and if they do Edmonton has a couple of inexpensive options who can help win hockey games. It also points out a nice “start as you mean to go” attitude about this Oilers management group, who have rewarded this summer’s hires with opportunity. Not all of these men (Belov, Larsen, Grebeshkov, Acton, Hamilton, Joensuu) are going to have long careers in Edmonton, but they are solid bets. If they work out, the club is richer for it. If not, re-set next season.

Steve Tambellini had a hard time breaking up with players. I sense the MacT-Eakins duo will be slightly more aggressive.

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A lot of talk on the Al Gore today about Ryan Jones. Seems to me that this is the one day we shouldn’t be dancing or saying I told you so, and I’m pleased this blog and the rest of the Oilogopshere had the same reaction to today’s news. I’ve made no secret over the years about my feeling toward Jones hockey ability, but would never wish a job loss or release on anyone. It happened, we have our opinions and we move on. However, we also take the time to wish Ryan Jones all the best, and hope he finds a new hockey home soon. He was truly loved by Oilers fans, and had tremendous success in an Oiler uniform. Ryan Jones was an NHL hockey player, and he may be again.

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  1. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Sam Mendes’ films never did much for me.

    The best part of American Beauty IMO works against it and turns it into an unintentional piece of self-irony.

    Morbid teen films “beautiful” dead bird in what is supposed to be some sign of his deep, intuitive connection to the world around him. He’s an artistic loner, we’re supposed to idolize his craft (his medium being digital film-making, in some nod to how a modern teen creates art and feels sad) and keen sense for things others would pass by. Were supposed to be impressed at how he’s using tools of our modern techno-culture and its go-go fast pace to get to the heart of things. Things that really matter and are beautiful in their own perfect way.

    His keen insight is meant to be juxtaposed against a vapid, blonde teen girl who is destined to enter the rat race and trade on her looks while ignoring the world of beauty all around her.

    Except this is all so patently obvious and forced it makes you want to tear your eyeballs out and smack that wet blanket around a few times, while yelling in agreement with that blonde that, no, that fucking dead bird is not beautiful and no your little films are not art.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hEKsry6vWs

    That said, Road to Perdition was fantastic.

  2. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    You are too gracious and good hearted LT.

    I didn’t catch a lot of mean-spiritedness about Jones or the signing today. But there was some feisty discussion about both.

    I really hope MacT’s lesson coming out of training camp will be:

    1. DO NOT steer clear of Jones type players. Do not over-react and give up on re-clam projects.

    2. DO use the tools of a modern GM regarding these players. Offer them a PTO. Don’t feel rushed to sign them in July, when, as we’ve seen come, late sept. there will still be interesting names lurking around looking for work… cheap, no-questions-asked.

    3. DO feel free to make a player like Jones earn his spot. This lesson didn’t appear to be learned when MacT signed Jones in July, but was learned today.

    For Jones… wish him all the best. I imagine he is quite bitter today. He seemed to come back with a strong narrative about “proving people wrong” going through his mind. I always thought that was a dangerous way to look at things. I really hope for his sake and his future hockey career he doesn’t let this kind of thinking get to him.

    Here’s a lovely bass-line to end our hockey campaign with (for now anyway):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eao48JJ5_ac

  3. BlacqueJacque says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    … I always thought that was the intent, to make Douchey McCamera into a sort of ironic cliche, trying to escape his troubled life and be unique but completely fail at it? I could be wrong, I haven’t seen that movie in forever.

    Haven’t seen Road to Perdition. Trailers turned me off for some reason.

  4. mc79hockey says:

    I don’t know that I’d go as far as LT in terming Jones an NHL hockey player. He reminds me of Zack Stortini in a way but with a different skill set. You find guys like this on bad teams because they can connect with the fans and if the team’s going to suck, management wants those guys around.

    Moving on from him is something that I see as a good sign. I’m not sure that some of the guys on the roster are necessarily better but there’s probably something to be said for cutting a higher priced guy. Pour encourager les autres.

  5. ashley says:

    Jones was claimed off waivers from NSH in 2010. He lasted a long time for a waiver pickup. We are now at a point where we have the depth of the playoff-less 2010 Nashville Predators.

    The number of non-NHL or marginal NHL talents that have played on this team since 2008 is astonishing. A lot of these guys have never played for any other NHL team since being flushed, and they are not old.

    It will be interesting to see if Jones finds a new home.

  6. tcho says:

    Rom – dug the audio. Cheers.

  7. RMGS says:

    I’m indifferent about Jones’ demotion up to the realization that the move should mean the roster’s improving. At that point and as an Oilers supporter, I’m glad. I’m sure he’ll be fine. I mean, he’ll have $1.5 million (minus taxes and escrow) this year on which to fall back on at worst.

  8. Lowetide says:

    mc79hockey:
    I don’t know that I’d go as far as LT in terming Jones an NHL hockey player.He reminds me of Zack Stortini in a way but with a different skill set.You find guys like this on bad teams because they can connect with the fans and if the team’s going to suck, management wants those guys around.

    Moving on from him is something that I see as a good sign.I’m not sure that some of the guys on the roster are necessarily better but there’s probably something to be said for cutting a higher priced guy.Pour encourager les autres.

    Jones was certainly an expansion level player and the Oilers were an expansion level team. I agree it was time to move on, and I like Ryan Hamilton as his replacement. Whatever Ryan Jones’ talents, the Oilers need more from the position.

    Which brings us to Steve MacIntyre’s roster spot…..

  9. lawrenharris says:

    Reiterating from a couple of threads ago. Revelation of the preseason is Belov. I say we should offer him a three year extension at 2.75m right away so that after his upcoming great season he doesn’t fly off to a “real” team.

  10. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    … I always thought that was the intent, to make Douchey McCamera into a sort of ironic cliche, trying to escape his troubled life and be unique but completely fail at it?I could be wrong, I haven’t seen that movie in forever.

    Haven’t seen Road to Perdition.Trailers turned me off for some reason.

    Hmmm… seems possible. I’ll have to think about it more. I always took him as sincerely depicted.

    That film seemed obsessed with juxtaposing “authentic” and “superficial” (variously imagined). I hated it. But it’s been a long time…

    Road to Perdition is fantastic. As are the comics.

  11. speeds says:

    RMGS:
    I’m indifferent about Jones’ demotion up to the realization that the move should mean the roster’s improving. At that point and as an Oilers supporter, I’m glad. I’m sure he’ll be fine. I mean, he’ll have $1.5 million (minus taxes and escrow) this year on which to fall back on at worst.

    I think it would be different, for me anyways, if Jones were demoted because there were notably better options available, as opposed to demoted because EDM has decided to carry both Brown and MacIntye. I suppose it could be some sort of longer angle where they don’t mind taking their chances on Jones clearing waivers now, with the idea that he can get some more games and ice time under his wing in OKC for a month, and then recall him later in place of either Brown or MacIntyre?

  12. delooper says:

    How is MacIntyre at standing in front of the net, and cycling the puck along the boards? We know he’s not so great at taking or making a pass, or shooting… What would happen with him on a 1st line with Hall and Hemsky? Gretzky and Kurri could supported Semenko for years… is Hall and Hemsky not enough to support MacIntyre?

  13. Lowetide says:

    delooper:
    How is MacIntyre at standing in front of the net, and cycling the puck along the boards? We know he’s not so great at taking or making a pass, or shooting… What would happen with him on a 1st line with Hall and Hemsky?Gretzky and Kurri could supported Semenko for years… is Hall and Hemsky not enough to support MacIntyre?

    Pat?

  14. BlacqueJacque says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I could absolutely 100% be wrong – it’s been over 10 years, but my memory of watching the film was that camera boy was portrayed as such a genuine unique snowflake in such a heavy-handed fashion that it served to underline the fact that no one is unique. In fact, nobody in the entire movie is who they think they are, the image they portray, except for Spacey who gets killed shortly after discovering who he is and what makes him happy.

  15. TheOtherJohn says:

    LT

    I certainly hope you are right in how the bottom of the roster shakes out. I do not think you will be but as a fan, ….please, please, please let you be right

    I just do not see Acton, R Hamilton, Acrobello,M Brown, Ben Eager, Smac (a specialist albeit) addressing in any way MacT’s commentary about the bottom 6: “We had a lot of guys that the best they were going to be in any given game was a non-factor.”

    Joensuu has looked consistent in preseason and may be an upgrade. Still waiting for the wheels to fall off Smytty but he has looked ok with Hall & Hemsky.

    Wish Jones every success. Not sure who claims off waivers a 4LW making $1.5m but as many here point out it’s only a slight overpay—$500-660K

  16. delooper says:

    Lowetide: Pat?

    I thought that was JFJ on the 1st line. Perhaps MacIntyre will just take a 10 minute major every game on his 1st shift, and then they’ll double-shift someone else for the rest of the game.

  17. Ryan says:

    ashley,

    Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnnie Ray,
    South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio,

    Zach Stortini, Ryan Stone, Ryan Potulny, Marc Pouliot,
    JFJ Jacques, Linus Omark, Eric Belanger, Lennart Pettrell
    Gilbert Brule, Robert Nilsson, Liam Reddox, Rob Schremp, Tim Sestito,
    Patty O’Lanterns, Taylor Chorney, Dean Arsense, Charles Linglet, Ryan O’mara,
    Chris Vandevelde, Cam Barker, Anton Lander, Darci Hordichuk, Josh Green,
    Ben Eager, Jerred Smithson,

    Marciano, Liberace, Santayana goodbye
    We didn’t start the fire
    It was always burning
    Since the world’s been turning
    We didn’t start the fire
    No we didn’t light it
    But we tried to fight it
    Joseph Stalin, Malenkov, Nasser and Prokofiev
    Rockefeller, Campanella, Communist Bloc,
    Roy Cohn, Juan Peron, Toscanini, Dacron,
    Dien Bien Phu falls, “Rock Around the Clock”
    Einstein, James Dean, Brooklyn’s got a winning team,
    Davy Crockett, Peter Pan, Elvis Presley, Disneyland,
    Bardot, Budapest, Alabama, Krushchev,
    Princess Grace, “Peyton Place”, trouble in the Suez
    We didn’t start the fire
    It was always burning
    Since the world’s been turning
    We didn’t start the fire
    No we didn’t light it
    But we tried to fight it
    Little Rock, Pasternak, Mickey Mantle, Kerouac,
    Sputnik, Chou En-Lai, “Bridge on the River Kwai”
    Lebanon, Charles de Gaulle, California baseball,
    Starkweather homicide, children of thalidomide,
    Buddy Holly, “Ben Hur”, space monkey, Mafia,
    Hula hoops, Castro, Edsel is a no-go,
    U-2, Syngman Rhee, payola and Kennedy,
    Chubby Checker, “Psycho”, Belgians in the Congo,
    We didn’t start the fire
    It was always burning
    Since the world’s been turning
    We didn’t start the fire
    No we didn’t light it
    But we tried to fight it
    Hemingway, Eichmann, “Stranger in a Strange Land”
    Dylan, Berlin, Bay of Pigs invasion,
    “Lawrence of Arabia”, British Beatlemania,
    Ole Miss, John Glenn, Liston beats Patterson,
    Pope Paul, Malcolm X, British politician sex,
    JFK, blown away, what else do I have to say?
    We didn’t start the fire
    It was always burning
    Since the world’s been turning
    We didn’t start the fire
    No we didn’t light it
    But we tried to fight it
    Birth control, Ho Chi Minh, Richard Nixon back again,
    Moonshot, Woodstock, Watergate, punk rock,
    Begin, Reagan, Palestine, terror on the airline,
    Ayatollah’s in Iran, Russians in Afghanistan,
    “Wheel of Fortune”, Sally Ride, heavy metal suicide,
    Foreign debts, homeless vets, AIDS, crack, Bernie Goetz,
    Hypodermics on the shore, China’s under martial law,
    Rock and roller cola wars, I can’t take it anymore
    We didn’t start the fire
    It was always burning
    Since the world’s been turning
    We didn’t start the fire
    But when we are gone
    Will it still burn on, and on, and on, and on
    We didn’t start the fire
    It was always burning
    Since the world’s been turning
    We didn’t start the fire
    No we didn’t light it
    But we tried to fight it
    We didn’t start the fire
    It was always burning
    Since the world’s been turning
    We didn’t start the fire…

  18. Lowetide says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    LT

    I certainly hope you are right in how the bottom of the roster shakes out. I do not think you will be but as a fan, ….please, please, please let you be right

    I just do not see Acton, R Hamilton, Acrobello,M Brown, Ben Eager, Smac (a specialist albeit)addressing in any way MacT’s commentary about the bottom 6: “We had a lot of guys that the best they were going to be in any given game was a non-factor.”

    Joensuu has looked consistent in preseason and may be an upgrade. Still waiting for the wheels to fall off Smytty but he has looked ok with Hall & Hemsky.

    Wish Jones every success. Not sure who claims off waivers a 4LW making $1.5m butas many here point out it’s only a slight overpay—$500-660K

    I don’t think there’s any other way to look at it. Let’s put the healthy roster in a “pecking” order:

    1. Hall
    2. Nuge
    3. Yak
    4. Eberle
    5. Gagner
    6. Hemsky
    7. Perron
    8. Gordon
    9. Joensuu
    10. Acton
    11. R Hamilton
    12. Brown
    13. Eager
    14. MacIntyre

    EVEN IF they go batshit crazy and play Brown-Eager-MacIntyre as a 4line, they’re still going to have so much top 9 talent there’s going to be an outstanding 3line.

  19. bookje says:

    The critiques of Tambo may be incorrect here. Tambellini went through something like 650 different players during his time here. He cleared out as much or more dead wood as MacT has (remember thecaptainethanmoreau, etc).

    Similar to MacT this year, he tended to put a lot of faith in guys reaching their max potential as opposed to playing at their average (both decided to replace centres with AHL guys in the hopes they shine).

    Both have taken on guys they ‘know’ despite a questionable record (Grebs was terrible in the KHL and Jones was not a hot commodity). [MacT may learn from this - I hope]

    HOWEVER, the one big difference (and this is huge) is that MacT has brought in guys like Ferrence, Perron, Gordon, and Belov – actual NHLers (Belov is an experienced pro in one of the best leagues in the world – not a rookie) who have a pretty good chance of out performing their contract. Every single NHLer that Tambellini picked up was about 5 minutes from having a blown engine. There were no gems in the mix, not a single ‘good find’ or ‘steal’, just loads and loads of useless guys who played worse than expected.

    Edit: Add Joensuu as a guy who I think will be a ‘good find’.

  20. TheOtherJohn says:

    delooper: How is MacIntyre at standing in front of the net, and cycling the puck along the boards? We know he’s not so great at taking or making a pass, or shooting… What would happen with him on a 1st line with Hall and Hemsky? Gretzky and Kurri could supported Semenko for years… is Hall and Hemsky not enough to support MacIntyre?

    Lets see: he can’t skate, he can’t stickhandle, has trouble cornering, can only hit skating in a straight line, can’t cycle the puck unless it doesn’t involve turning and just played on the team with the best player in the league & certainly the 2nd best C in the league and they weren’t capable of supporting him up and down the ice.

    He is a very good specialist though and has averaged less than 200 seconds TOI per game played

  21. delooper says:

    How much is the 4th line going to play, anyhow? I would guess it’ll mostly be used as spare parts, and at best it’ll get 6 minutes a night.

  22. Lowetide says:

    delooper: I thought that was JFJ on the 1st line. Perhaps MacIntyre will just take a 10 minute major every game on his 1st shift, and then they’ll double-shift someone else for the rest of the game.

    I doubt MacIntyre plays 15 games. Strudwick’s comments the other night were very interesting, and if MacIntyre dresses in 5 games and can’t find a dance partner what’s the use? But as you say, if he can he’ll be in the sin bin.

  23. Ryan says:

    Lowetide: I don’t think there’s any other way to look at it. Let’s put the healthy roster in a “pecking” order:

    1. Hall
    2. Nuge
    3. Yak
    4. Eberle
    5. Gagner
    6. Hemsky
    7. Perron
    8. Gordon
    9. Joensuu
    10. Acton
    11. R Hamilton
    12. Brown
    13. Eager
    14. MacIntyre

    EVEN IF they go batshit crazy and play Brown-Eager-MacIntyre as a 4line, they’re still going to have so much top 9 talent there’s going to be an outstanding 3line.

    Well, everyone after Gordon is porridge as far as we know at this point.

    2 AHL vets, 2 face punchers, a punched face (Eager), and a guy who’s looked good in the preseason (Joensuu).

  24. TheOtherJohn says:

    LT

    Agree with the hierarchy of talent on your list but would switch Perron& Hemsky in 6/7 slot. Joensuu ,,,,might be a player. Looks like it so far but thereafter…..Petrellesque and facepunchers

  25. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I could absolutely 100% be wrong – it’s been over 10 years, but my memory of watching the film was that camera boy was portrayed as such a genuine unique snowflake in such a heavy-handed fashion that it served to underline the fact that no one is unique.In fact, nobody in the entire movie is who they think they are, the image they portray, except for Spacey who gets killed shortly after discovering who he is and what makes him happy.

    I think it may well be that your hard-won cynicism is giving credit to the unintentional self-irony of the film.

    This is IMO a very “heavy handed” and sincere film. After all, recall that it isn’t enough that the kid’s dad is an asshole, beats him, doesn’t communicate with any affection, etc. he’s also a blatant homophobe, who may also be gay, who also kind of thinks the nazis were cool.

    We are far from nuance here.

  26. BlacqueJacque says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    … you’re probably right.

  27. bookje says:

    Lowetide: I doubt MacIntyre plays 15 games. Strudwick’s comments the other night were very interesting, and if MacIntyre dresses in 5 games and can’t find a dance partner what’s the use? But as you say, if he can he’ll be in the sin bin.

    Given that understanding and given that MacT and Eakins seem smart, I wonder if it honestly is a case of simply keeping him around until a game vs the Canucks and waiting to see their behaviour. If they behave like they normally do, you send him out with a message – Hit every Canuck who makes more than $3 million and we don’t care if you get suspended.

    The comments by Eakins and MacT were far more direct about MacIntyre being basically a hit man than they normally are – usually its couched in more nuanced terms about general toughness – they were blunter about his role.

  28. RMGS says:

    speeds,

    I suppose I needed to emphasize the “should.” LOL!

    I’m guessing Brown and probably also Eager were (inexplicably) always in the plan as part of the fourth line rotation, making it a low minutes havoc line that can fight. That’s sad, but the SMac signing seals the deal.

    I’m choosing to avoid pulling my hair out over that monstrosity and will bet on all that skill in the top nine – even without Nuge and Gagner (though I’d prefer Gordon instead of Arcobello with Perron and Eberle to share handling the toughs with Smyth-Hall-Hemsky).

  29. Ryan says:

    bookje,

    Of the two, Grebs was more forgivable given the lack of depth on d, lack of available d, and the Beloved Belov find.

    It’s always a little scary when most people at LT’s blog think it’s a bad move at the time and it turns out to be a bad move afterwards….

    If we can tell it’s a bad idea, you would hope that the GM can as well. To be fair, it’s easier for us since we don’t have to do deal with the human aspect–our decisions impact no one.

    At least Mact cut bait on his bad decision which is something Tambo never did IIRC.

    I’m still hoping Mact can scour the waiver wire for something that’s an upgrade over our flotsam…

  30. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: I don’t think there’s any other way to look at it. Let’s put the healthy roster in a “pecking” order:

    1. Hall
    2. Nuge
    3. Yak
    4. Eberle
    5. Gagner
    6. Hemsky
    7. Perron
    8. Gordon
    9. Joensuu
    10. Acton
    11. R Hamilton
    12. Brown
    13. Eager
    14. MacIntyre

    EVEN IF they go batshit crazy and play Brown-Eager-MacIntyre as a 4line, they’re still going to have so much top 9 talent there’s going to be an outstanding 3line.

    10-14 are the problem.

    If 10-14 looked like this instead:

    10. Thoresen/Mueller (take your pick or both)
    11. Lander
    12. Omark
    13. Raymond
    14. Hamilton

    How is that? 2Cs. One in house. One C/W who can spot on the wing and would come probably cheaper than Jones. Omark is cheap and can play. Raymond is cheap and can play. Hamilton is cheap and a wild card.

    For basically the same price I think that’s a much better, more balanced lineup. I also think all of these guys would have signed here.

  31. Lowetide says:

    bookje: Given that understanding and given that MacT and Eakins seem smart, I wonder if it honestly is a case of simply keeping him around until a game vs the Canucks and waiting to see their behaviour.If they behave like they normally do, you send him out with a message – Hit every Canuck who makes more than $3 million and we don’t care if you get suspended.

    The comments by Eakins and MacT were far more direct about MacIntyre being basically a hit man than they normally are – usually its couched in more nuanced terms about general toughness – they were blunter about his role.

    I think MacIntyre was a reaction pickup, and when he doesn’t deliver (and he won’t because no one will fight him) the Oilers will move away from him. I think the question might be ‘how many of Brown, Eager and MacIntyre will dress most nights?’ and I’d bet the answer is one.

  32. Ryan says:

    bookje,

    Yes, Mact flat out said that MacIntyre “is a nice weapon to have.”

  33. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: 10-14 are the problem.

    If 10-14 looked like this instead:

    Thoresen/Mueller (take your pick or both), Lander, Omark, Raymond, Hamilton

    How is that? 2Cs. One in house. One C/W who can spot on the wing and would come probably cheaper than Jones. Omark is cheap and can play. Raymond is cheap and can play. Hamilton is cheap and a wild card.

    For basically the same price I think that’s a much better, more balanced lineup. I also think all of these guys would have signed here.

    Raymond would be a nice addition no doubt. Omark didn’t earn it, I have to say he’s full value for the demotion. Lander I have hopes for, but it’s also true he’s in his final year of entry and could be headed back to Sweden at some point.

  34. delooper says:

    Lowetide: I think MacIntyre was a reaction pickup, and when he doesn’t deliver (and he won’t because no one will fight him) the Oilers will move away from him. I think the question might be ‘how many of Brown, Eager and MacIntyre will dress most nights?’ and I’d bet the answer is one.

    The first Vancouver game might be an exception. I’ll be on a cross-atlantic flight for that one. Sigh!

  35. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: Raymond would be a nice addition no doubt. Omark didn’t earn it, I have to say he’s full value for the demotion. Lander I have hopes for, but it’s also true he’s in his final year of entry and could be headed back to Sweden at some point.

    Omark and Lander didn’t earn it… but the sample size is so small and their respective replacements don’t exactly inspire a lot of confidence either.

    It could well be that where say Eakins chooses the devil he knows, I’m choosing the devil I know.

    How about this:

    10. Thoresen
    11. Mueller
    12. Hartikainen
    13. Raymond
    14. Hamilton

  36. Lowetide says:

    delooper: The first Vancouver game might be an exception.I’ll be on a cross-atlantic flight for that one. Sigh!

    How many games do you think MacT and Eakins are willing to give away in order to make Vancouver pay physically? My guess is zero.

  37. BlacqueJacque says:

    delooper: The first Vancouver game might be an exception.I’ll be on a cross-atlantic flight for that one. Sigh!

    If the coaches and players have the balls to get Mike Brown to pin Kassian in the corner and then keep the refs off until MacIntyre manages to do an Ivanans on Kassian, as far as I’m concerned, Brown and Mac can play all 82.

  38. delooper says:

    Lowetide: How many games do you think MacT and Eakins are willing to give away in order to make Vancouver pay physically? My guess is zero.

    Do you remember that blood-soaked game between Edmonton and LA, shortly after the Gretzky trade? Somehow I doubt that kind of vengeance is out of Lowe and MacTavish’s systems. But I might be wrong. And I’m sure the NHL will watch that game closely, given all the recent events and talk of targeting skilled players for major injuries.

  39. Young Oil says:

    Just looking at the OIler preseason stats:

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=92150

    It’s good to see that Perron has a nice, sustainable shooting percentage that he will surely carry over to the regular season!

  40. Lowetide says:

    delooper: Do you remember that blood-soaked game between Edmonton and LA, shortly after the Gretzky trade?Somehow I doubt that kind of vengeance is out of Lowe and MacTavish’s systems.But I might be wrong.And I’m sure the NHL will watch that game closely, given all the recent events and talk of targeting skilled players for major injuries.

    If the Oilers are willing to sacrifice G2 of the regular season as a reaction to a pre-season incident then neither deserves the job they occupy currently.

  41. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Off-topic.

    Can I get an update from hockeystreams users. How was it last year? Were the streams good quality? any problems? Has anyone tried it out this year for KHL games? if so, how was the experience?

    I’m thinking of signing up for the year.

    thanks.

  42. Fixall with Rexall says:

    This has been the most honest summer I can ever remember. Mistakes get made, they get corrected. I have faith MacT won’t be afraid to make another mistake, because I also have faith he will deal with it sooner rather than later. You can keep throwing shit up against the wall to see what sticks as long as you clean up the mess. Good Job MacT. He has no ego when it comes to decisions.

  43. BlacqueJacque says:

    Lowetide,

    Game 2 out of 82. What does it matter, really?

  44. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    Lowetide,

    Game 2 out of 82.What does it matter, really?

    Could be the difference between a playoff spot.

  45. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Off-topic.

    Can I get an update from hockeystreams users. How was it last year? Were the streams good quality? any problems? Has anyone tried it out this year for KHL games? if so, how was the experience?

    I’m thinking of signing up for the year.

    thanks.

    It was good because I needed hockey, but as soon as hockey came back to my television I found it impossible to watch. Certainly got my money’s worth.

  46. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:

    EVEN IF they go batshit crazy and play Brown-Eager-MacIntyre as a 4line, they’re still going to have so much top 9 talent there’s going to be an outstanding 3line.

    Perhaps the most appropriate description of that line. A term I’ve used far too often in my life, and I can’t think of anything more suited to what would have to happen for that line to even appear to be a good idea. The game would have to be so far out of hand that the sport itself became irrelevant.

  47. bookje says:

    Ryan – absolutely agree that managing things in the real world (as MacT is doing) is far more complex than us armchair gms make it out to be.

    LT – I don’t think the Oilers will be out for revenge, but they may be ready to react if Van is gooning it up. Losing a player is far worse than losing a game.

  48. hags9k says:

    Brown-Eager-Macintyre.

    lol

    But I want to see it. I know. I know…

  49. delooper says:

    hags9k:
    Brown-Eager-Macintyre.

    lol

    But I want to see it.I know. I know…

    We should have an entire day to discuss who should be centre on that line.

  50. geowal says:

    LT:
    I don’t think you’re being fair in an apples-to-apples sense in your season-to-season comparison. Much of the time either Yakupov or Hemsky dressed in the “bottom 6″ last year with various players such as Paajarvi in the 2LW slot.. Really the only material upgrade anywhere in the top 9 is Perron in for Paajarvi and Gordon in for Horcoff. Granted both are significant upgrades, especially Perron, but there is no extra player here, so somebody is missing from your 5×5/60. Smyth seems good at this moment but MacT hardly deserves credit for that, and we’ll see how we feel about that at game 25.

    Let’s say Paajarvi is the missing bottom 6 if you want to say Yakupov was 2LW
    Paajarvi: 1.54, 5th among forwards and now top of your list. Doesn’t seem as bad now, plus he had the hope of improving, which I don’t really hold for any of this years bottom end, including the Marlies pickups.

    I’m excited about the season but that is because the top 6 is better (Perron>>Paajarvi), along with 2LW stability), not because the bottom 6 is meaningfully improved.

  51. BlacqueJacque says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Could be the difference between a playoff spot.

    Ending Kassian’s season could be the difference between Hall getting the first of many concussions, and not.

  52. delooper says:

    BlacqueJacque: Ending Kassian’s season could be the difference between Hall getting the first of many concussions, and not.

    but that would have to wait for the 2nd Vancouver game, as Kassian will miss the 1st.

  53. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: It was good because I needed hockey, but as soon as hockey came back to my television I found it impossible to watch. Certainly got my money’s worth.

    Thanks for the intel.

    The pirated streams I watch vary from passage to garbage. Are these hockeystreams streams any better than that? If not, I’ll pass. If considerably better and more reliable, I may bite.

  54. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    BlacqueJacque: Ending Kassian’s season could be the difference between Hall getting the first of many concussions, and not.

    there are Kassian-like goofs on nearly every team. Wiese was within a CM of taking Hall out for the year.

    Can’t police them all.

  55. delooper says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: there are Kassian-like goofs on nearly every team. Wiese was within a CM of taking Hall out for the year.

    Can’t police them all.

    That’s the thing I don’t understand. People fantasize all day here about impossible trades and GMs that can never make mistakes. Why can’t MacIntyre police everyone and everything?!?!? What we have here is a failure of the imagination.

  56. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Well… this CAL-PHX game leaves a lot to be desired.

    I feel bad for Gord. He’s working hard to keep me interested though.

  57. Woodguy says:

    Ok.

    I’ve had it up to here —————–>

    with everyone saying “Jones had an off year last year coming back from injury”

    Goddam Millard said it on Global, and so has every other MSM, fan, and people who couldn’t pick him out of a line up.

    Here are Jones’ points per 60 minutes of 5v5 (even strength play) over the last 3 years:

    2010-2011 Season 1.38
    2011-2012 Season 1.46
    2012-2013 Season 1.38

    HIs “struggling” year’s point production is IDENTICAL to his “great first full year” with the Oilers.

    He didn’t struggle.

    He’s Ryan Jones and his production was pretty much what you can expect from him.

    The new coach saw through his game like used Neutrogena and made the GM look a little silly for signing him.

    I’m glad MacT is humble enough to let Eakins cut him.

  58. Zelepukin says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Off-topic.

    Can I get an update from hockeystreams users. How was it last year? Were the streams good quality? any problems? Has anyone tried it out this year for KHL games? if so, how was the experience?

    I’m thinking of signing up for the year.

    thanks.

    I gave it a 2 week trial, the last 3 pre-season games and I’ve decided to go back to GameCenter. I don’t care about watching anything other than NHL so I only evaluated it on that. The Hockeystream IOS streams were horrible and the lack of stream/quality options and not having keyframes goals within games, were clinchers for me.

  59. RMGS says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Thanks for the intel.

    The pirated streams I watch vary from passage to garbage. Are these hockeystreams streams any better than that? If not, I’ll pass. If considerably better and more reliable, I may bite.

    I highly recommend it. Games are in HD, depending on your download speed. It’s like NHL Gamecentre Live but cheaper, without blackouts and with multiple league options. And with the right equipment, you can also send your stream to a larger screen.

    Of course, it’s likely a product of organized crime, so take your chances.

  60. Lowetide says:

    geowal:
    LT:
    I don’t think you’re being fair in an apples-to-apples sense in your season-to-season comparison.Much of the time either Yakupov or Hemsky dressed in the “bottom 6″ last year with various players such as Paajarvi in the 2LW slot..Really the only material upgrade anywhere in the top 9 is Perron in for Paajarvi and Gordon in for Horcoff.Granted both are significant upgrades, especially Perron, but there is no extra player here, so somebody is missing from your 5×5/60.Smyth seems good at this moment but MacT hardly deserves credit for that, and we’ll see how we feel about that at game 25.

    Let’s say Paajarvi is the missing bottom 6 if you want to say Yakupov was 2LW
    Paajarvi: 1.54, 5th among forwards and now top of your list.Doesn’t seem as bad now, plus he had the hope of improving, which I don’t really hold for any of this years bottom end, including the Marlies pickups.

    I’m excited about the season but that is because the top 6 is better (Perron>>Paajarvi), along with 2LW stability), not because the bottom 6 is meaningfully improved.

    11 of Yakupov’s goals were scored in April, if memory serves he was playing up. You could throw 4 or 5 goals in there if you like, it was still blackness. If it isn’t better–much better–this season, I’ll be surprised. Eakins has spoken at length about “pairs” and I suspect it’ll improve the balance.

  61. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    delooper: That’s the thing I don’t understand.People fantasize all day here about impossible trades and GMs that can never make mistakes. Why can’t MacIntyre police everyone and everything?!?!?What we have here is a failure of the imagination.

    If we are going with imagination… I’d prefer to send out a series of jungle cats on skates.

    It would confuse, terrorize and with any luck maim the opposition. And so many choices for an armchair GM: leopard? lion? lynx? puma? tiger? panther? where does it end?

  62. Numenius says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Off-topic.

    Can I get an update from hockeystreams users. How was it last year? Were the streams good quality? any problems? Has anyone tried it out this year for KHL games? if so, how was the experience?

    I’m thinking of signing up for the year.

    thanks.

    I’ve had a good experience with Hockey Streams. I can’t compare it to Game Centre, but it’s way better than any free site. The NHL games are HD and you pretty much get every league you want to watch. TV, of course, is the best if you’ve got it (which I don’t). I’ve had one small difficulty in that my internet connection sometimes slows down in the evening and can’t handle the HD, but still in that case the poorer quality stream generally works fine.

  63. bookje says:

    I think Jones had an off year last year coming back from injury.

  64. hags9k says:

    Please lord let Nail get an extended look with Hall and sweet 6lb 8 oz, doesn’t even know a word yet Nuge, at some point this year.

  65. bookje says:

    It seems to me that Jones had an off year last year coming back from injury.

  66. hags9k says:

    I like to think of Nuge like with giant eagles wings, and singin’ lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I’m in the front row and I’m hammered drunk!

  67. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I think Jones had an off-season adapting to RK’s system.

  68. delooper says:

    bookje:
    It seems to me that Jones had an off year last year coming back from injury.

    You have some sandpaper in your game. But can you skate? Take a pass and make a pass?

  69. OilFire says:

    It’s really too bad about Jones – guy had an off year coming back from injury.

  70. RMGS says:

    I’m glad Jones was demoted – even if he had an off year coming back from injury.

  71. delooper says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: If we are going with imagination… I’d prefer to send out a series of jungle cats on skates.

    It would confuse, terrorize and with any luck maim the opposition. And so many choices for an armchair GM: leopard? lion? lynx? puma? tiger? panther? where does it end?

    I imagine cats claws are pretty helpful on the ice, too. Does the NHL rulebook say players have to be human, and does it define human in a way that would exclude jungle cats?

  72. Woodguy says:

    bookje:
    It seems to me that Jones had an off year last year coming back from injury.

    You.

    Out.

  73. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    hags9k:
    I like to think of Nuge like with giant eagles wings, and singin’ lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I’m in the front row and I’m hammered drunk!

    I like to think of you that way too.

  74. OilFire says:

    delooper: I imagine cats claws are pretty helpful on the ice, too. Does the NHL rulebook say players have to be human, and does it define human in a way that would exclude jungle cats?

    I wonder if we could get Tony the Tiger on waivers. I think we all know how he’d play…

  75. delooper says:

    OilFire: I wonder if we could get Tony the Tiger on waivers.I think we all know how he’d play…

    Pretty good?

  76. LostBoy says:

    delooper:
    How is MacIntyre at standing in front of the net, and cycling the puck along the boards? We know he’s not so great at taking or making a pass, or shooting… What would happen with him on a 1st line with Hall and Hemsky?Gretzky and Kurri could supported Semenko for years… is Hall and Hemsky not enough to support MacIntyre?

    In order:

    1) Noone has ever asked Steve MacIntyre to stand in front of a net during an actual professional hockey game.

    2) Cycling the puck is something you can do when you have possession in the offensive zone. While there almost certainly have been a few times this has been true while MacIntyre has been on the ice in his career, there haven’t been many.

    3) What would happen is that Hall and Hemsky would eventually wake up, because it could only be a bad dream.

    Seriously, while Semenko did play occasionally with Gretzky, there was no prolonged period where he was a first line LW. Semenko could also play more than a little (though that was by early-mid 80s standards – the league was a slower, much more wide open place then).

    This is no disrespect to Steve MacIntyre. What Steve MacIntyre is good at is near-vegetableizing Raitis Ivanans. If you want someone to near-vegetableize the Raitis Ivanans of the world, there’s almost no better person to hire.

    But near-vegetableizing the Raitis Ivanans of the world has almost nothing to do with winning hockey games or protecting your star players.

    Steve MacIntyre can’t play hockey. No, Hall and Hemsky can’t change that.

  77. delooper says:

    LostBoy: In order:
    Steve MacIntyre can’t play hockey.No, Hall and Hemsky can’t change that.

    First base is the moon to MacIntyre.

    You’re going to teach him to play first base!

  78. OilFire says:

    I think SMac is a great guy, but I’m not into the sport he plays. I used to love hockey fights, but the fact that Ivanans couldn’t play for a year after that fight caused a very sudden end to my interest. I honestly just cringe and wait for them to be over at this point.

  79. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    delooper: Pretty good?

    You win!

  80. delooper says:

    OilFire:
    I think SMac is a great guy, but I’m not into the sport he plays.I used to love hockey fights, but the fact that Ivanans couldn’t play for a year after that fight caused a very sudden end to my interest.I honestly just cringe and wait for them to be over at this point.

    When I was maybe 10 or 12 years old I witnessed one of the most dramatic Semenko fights first hand, right in front of me (went to the game with my dad). I was sitting in the 2nd or 3rd row at Northlands. I have no idea who it was he fought but I can certainly see some of the appeal. I’m of two minds when it comes to fighting in hockey. When I play myself I tend to do everything I can to stop it. But that Semenko fight was amazing. He stood at the centre of the ice, his would-be opponent in the corner (right in front of me). Semenko threw down his gloves and waved his would-be opponent towards him, giving him a chance to bail.

  81. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Thanks to all for the references on hockeystreams.

    I’ll probably stick with pirated until I can afford to just get cable properly.

    ——–
    Let’s say Jones clears.

    Here’s a question. Assuming MacT’s line about “more control over OKC” holds… that would seem to indicate a push for the prospects.

    I assume the team doesn’t consider Jones (and probably Omark too) prospects.

    So, do they get buried on the team, or are they given a position of prominence?

  82. delooper says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Thanks to all for the references on hockeystreams.

    I’ll probably stick with pirated until I can afford to just get cable properly.

    ——–
    Let’s say Jones clears.

    Here’s a question. Assuming MacT’s line about “more control over OKC” holds… that would seem to indicate a push for the prospects.

    I assume the team doesn’t consider Jones (and probably Omark too) prospects.

    So, do they get buried on the team, or are they given a position of prominence?

    I imagine the coach would have a conversation with the players. If the player wants to make a serious push to get back to the NHL, they’d be considered a prospect and be given ice time. If not, they’d be a healthy scratch.

  83. Woodguy says:

    lawrenharris:
    Reiterating from a couple of threads ago.Revelation of the preseason is Belov.I say we should offer him a three year extension at 2.75m right away so that after his upcoming great season he doesn’t fly off to a “real” team.

    Belov had his choice of teams, including Pittsburg.

    He chose Edmonton.

    Lots of time to sign him, no need to rush.

  84. OilFire says:

    delooper: When I was maybe 10 or 12 years old I witnessed one of the most dramatic Semenko fights first hand, right in front of me (went to the game with my dad).I was sitting in the 2nd or 3rd row at Northlands.I have no idea who it was he fought but I can certainly see some of the appeal.I’m of two minds when it comes to fighting in hockey. When I play myself I tend to do everything I can to stop it.But that Semenko fight was amazing. He stood at the centre of the ice, his would-be opponent in the corner (right in front of me).Semenko threw down his gloves and waved his would-be opponent towards him, giving him a chance to bail.

    Other fighting sports spend 95% of their time desperately (and often with embarrassingly transparent ploys) trying to get fans invested in liking or hating a fighter to ramp up the drama. Hockey has that inbuilt, so the spectacle and drama are off-the-charts amazing and I used to love it.

    However, it’s all ruined by the chance of a year of concussion that often comes with not even being able to watch a television or go in the sunlight. Put slippery shoes on boxers and a slippery, hard-as-rock floor under boxers and I bet I’d lose interest in it too. Plus, it never has an effect on the game.

  85. bookje says:

    Woodguy: Belov had his choice of teams, including Pittsburg.

    He chose Edmonton.

    Lots of time to sign him, no need to rush.

    He CHOo CHOo CHoosed us?

    Awesome!

    Edit: Sorry, that was just silly and annoying – I wanted to say that Jones thing about last year.

  86. DeadmanWaking says:

    Romulus Apotheosis

    JANE: Look, I’m not gonna talk about his dick with you, okay? It’s not like that.
    ANGELA: Not like what? Doesn’t he have one?
    (then)
    ANGELA: Why don’t you want to talk about it? I mean, I tell you every single detail about every guy that I …
    JANE: Yeah, and maybe you shouldn’t, all right? Maybe I don’t really want to hear all that.

    Despite the extreme characterization, this is not a movie on the level of Starship Troopers. Angela is dying from curiosity because she has no experience of her own.

    I will break their guitar.

    The spectacle of the sky overwhelms me. I’m overwhelmed when I see, in an immense sky, the crescent of the moon, or the sun. There, in my pictures, tiny forms in huge empty spaces. Empty spaces, empty horizons, empty plains—everything which is bare has always greatly impressed me.

    An American in Spain captures Carolyn’s world.

    That’s the beauty of America. Nothing at all is aesthetically out of bounds.

  87. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    DeadmanWaking,

    If you are ever in Barcelona, this is my top recommendation for a visit:

    http://www.fundaciomiro-bcn.org/?idioma=2

  88. BG14 says:

    Young Oil,

    Not as remarkable as Platzer’s one goal on zero shots!

  89. Racki says:

    For the Oil Kings followers.. was at the game tonight. Brutal game (6-0 loss), but worst part was watching the Oil Kings future star Mads Eller slam into the boards awkwardly. It’s almost always a given a guy is out cold when they’ve got an arm up and aren’t moving. Scary sight. Not sure exactly how it happened, just seemed to trip while chasing after a puck. Haven’t heard anything on him, but he got off the ice with help.. looked really woosie and in pain.

  90. hags9k says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Yup, or fast asleep at David Axlerod, your choice.

  91. eidy says:

    Lowetide,

    And that’s not counting 94.

    He has lost a step, but his passing is really underrated.

  92. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    hags9k:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Yup, or fast asleep at David Axlerod, your choice.

    I prefer your vision of yourself. Sounds awesome.

    But, if you find a moment, try these… you may like them afterall (maybe not).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbTbMR-F7IY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SJe8kbrTiY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oTNOan8h1g

  93. 719 says:

    I agree with Mr. Lowetide on Jones. I hate to see people delighting (and they are out there) in his demotion. He was a guy that beat the odds to play the sport he loves at its highest level. The eye injury seemed to cost him a bit, and that happens a lot in professional sports. He always seemed like a positive person, and a great influence in the locker room.

    I am really interested to see what happens to the D when Potter and Grebeshkov are able to play. Belov is the only one on a two way contract, everyone else has to pass through waivers. I do think if someone comes knocking that N. Schultz is available and perhaps Larsen.

    I like our third line, and think it is a huge improvement over last year. 4th line needs some work, but again they will likely play 6-8 minutes a night.

    MPS for Perron seems like a big win for MacT on the surface. MPS has 0 points in the preseason for St. Louis playing on a good line. Perron seems to have found some chemistry with Eberle and is leading the pre-season in goals. (Yes I know it is only pre season).

    As for the first line, I can see Yakupov being double shifted and taking a shift on the 1st line with Hall and Hemsky often.

    MacT had a good summer. Maybe the best moves were the ones he didn’t make (Schneider, Clarkson and Hemsky).

  94. Racki says:

    When Nuge and Gagner return, my preference is to keep Hall at center. I think he’s going to be a natural. He said he preferred LW before, but he warmed up to it. By my eye, he’s also good at it.

    Here is one version of the lines I’d go with. Smyth might be questionable on the top LW, since we all believe he doesn’t have the stamina to last on the top line for long anymore. So perhaps Joensuu manages to find his way there, and swaps with Smyth.

    Smyth-Hall-Hemsky
    Perron-Nuge-Eberle
    Joensuu-Gagner-Yakupov
    Eager-Gordon-Hamilton

    Also, you’ll note that Hall and Nuge have been split up in my version. This, if you will allow me to use one of those annoying olden-days references, is our “Gretzky/Messier” one-two combo at center. I am not comparing these guys to them, but I’m just saying it’s a powerful combo of centers. I firmly believe that Perron is going to be a demon for this team, especially with Nuge feeding him passes. We know Hall and Hemmer already have good chemistry too.

    I’ve said it before, but will re-iterate it…

    The mythical 3-lines of offense? Well, in my opinion, the Oilers have 3 lines of offense here…. use them. Ride the hell out of these 3 lines. Every talented offensive player in the game plays better with minutes close to that 20 min mark. So I would like to see the top line ridden the hardest, as it is built for power-vs-power. They will ease the burden a bit on the other two lines who will alternate as sort of a 2a/2b kind of deal. You might give the Nuge centered line a bit more minutes though since they likely have more ability to handle an NHL line.

    The 4th line wouldn’t see a lot of minutes at all (definitely under 10), which is unfortunate for Gordon, because I believe he’s a bit underrated by my concept. but it would expose Eager, Hamilton, Brown, MacIntyre or any other plugs a lot less. On any given night, any of those offensive lines could get cold, but any of them could catch fire… it’d be up to Eakins to manage the minutes accordingly.

    As a wise coach once said, you want to your players to be able to move up and down lines (completely paraphrased) and I believe the Oilers have 3 offensive lines that they can easily mix and match.

  95. Hammers says:

    WE must hope Smyth can give us the first 25 games like 2 years ago and if he does we maybe OK .I like the idea of Hemsky RNH & Hall later on . This then allows Smyth to go to the 4th line as Perron & Joensuu are obviously 2nd & 3rd line L wings . I still feel Acton & Hamilton are here as coaches decisions and neither are NHL players . This 4th line looks like a dogs breakfast . As we sit that line is going to see 5 minutes and hopefully we don’t get scored on . I’m hoping Joensuu / Yak play well together and when Gags is back they end up with Gordon . Last thing keeping my fingers crossed for 1) a trade for 4th line center 2) a waiver pick up for a center or 3) Marty Reasoner.

  96. Genjutsu says:

    Lowetide: I don’t think there’s any other way to look at it. Let’s put the healthy roster in a “pecking” order:

    1. Hall
    2. Nuge
    3. Yak
    4. Eberle
    5. Gagner
    6. Hemsky
    7. Perron
    8. Gordon
    9. Joensuu
    10. Acton
    11. R Hamilton
    12. Brown
    13. Eager
    14. MacIntyre

    EVEN IF they go batshit crazy and play Brown-Eager-MacIntyre as a 4line, they’re still going to have so much top 9 talent there’s going to be an outstanding 3line.

    You’re forgetting Smith. That’s a real honest to goodness 9 NHL players and JJ looks like he is one to me as well. Maybe they choose Arco over Acton and you could be looking at a very different team come December.

  97. Racki says:

    One thing I forgot to add in my novella above… the idea is to force the other team’s coach to say “who the hell do I put my best defensive guys out against??” when we’ve got 3 lines being each fed the minutes they need to put up goals. Evens and PP are a different animal though.. some of those lines might be better at PP.. some might be better than the rest at evens.. that’ll also dictate how the minutes are given, but for the most part, I think the Oilers roll 3 lines, with the 4th getting the odd shift to keep the legs going and give the others a rest, but that’s about it.

  98. Bank Shot says:

    If you order the roster in terms of importance to the team, you have your top six of:
    Hall, Eberle, Yakupov, Perron, Gordon, Hemsky

    Your next best six forwards look like:
    Smyth, Arcobello, Joensuu, Acton, Hamiton, Brown.

    Looks a whole lot like last season. Actually, it looks worse then last season. You really only have one legit NHL forward in the bottom half of the depth chart. Thats just gross.

    I’m not sure why anyone has any faith in this team winning games right now. The bottom six depth is complete flotsam and jetsam. Just awful.

    I mean, people have hope for these guys because they are unknown and they might exceed expectations, but i look at that lineup and see very real potential for this:

    Smyth-Josh Green-Brad Winchester
    Dane Byers-Chris Vande Velde- Brown

    Would anyone at all be happy about that bottom six? Because that seems about what we can probably reasonably expect.

  99. delooper says:

    Bank Shot:
    Looks a whole lot like last season. Actually, it looks worse then last season. You really only have one legit NHL forward in the bottom half of the depth chart. Thats just gross.

    I mean, people have hope for these guys because they are unknown andthey might exceed expectations, but i look at that lineup and see very real potential for this:

    Preseason is the time for optimism. If you want a miracle, you’ve got to dig into the unknown. Even Oppenheimer suppressed his fear the atom bomb would burn off the earth’s entire atmosphere. Perk up!

  100. hags9k says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    There we go Rom, I’m awake again. Beware small sample sizes! Those are better, first and third especially, very west coast 70s feel. Makes me want to go to Cali. Funny Snoop dog ripped off the second one.

  101. rooster_monkey says:

    Bank Shot:
    If you order the roster in terms of importance to the team, you have your top six of:
    Hall, Eberle, Yakupov, Perron, Gordon, Hemsky

    Your next best six forwards look like:
    Smyth, Arcobello, Joensuu, Acton, Hamiton, Brown.

    Looks a whole lot like last season. Actually, it looks worse then last season. You really only have one legit NHL forward in the bottom half of the depth chart. Thats just gross.

    I’m not sure why anyone has any faith in this team winning games right now. The bottom six depth is complete flotsam and jetsam. Just awful.

    I mean, people have hope for these guys because they are unknown andthey might exceed expectations, but i look at that lineup and see very real potential for this:

    Smyth-Josh Green-Brad Winchester
    Dane Byers-Chris Vande Velde- Brown

    Would anyone at all be happy about that bottom six? Because that seems about what we can probably reasonably expect.

    Your skepticism sounds good in an argument, but we both know those lines aren’t going to happen this year. If you spread out the skill and experience (like any decent coach will do), it is much easier to feel better about the situation. Three lines that can do some damage offensively and a crasher line that plays minimal minutes with the D-corps we have right now looks like a much different team than last year.

  102. RMGS says:

    Memo to all the Hemsky detractors from the team’s best player, Taylor Hall: “I don’t know where we’d be if we didn’t still have Ales here.”

  103. Bank Shot says:

    rooster_monkey: Your skepticism sounds good in an argument, but we both know those lines aren’t going to happen this year. If you spread out the skill and experience (like any decent coach will do), it is much easier to feel better about the situation. Three lines that can do some damage offensively and a crasher line that plays minimal minutes with the D-corps we have right now looks like a much different team than last year.

    Spreading out the talent is more likely to ensure that we will have three lines that do minimal damage. It all looks good on paper until Arcobello has to go head to head with Henrik Sedin.

    Oilers were a terrible team last season and management continued to tinker around the edges.

  104. jake70 says:

    Racki, what would Boyd Gordon think about being 4th line center? Was he promised anything?

  105. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    hags9k:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    There we go Rom, I’m awake again.Beware small sample sizes!Those are better, first and third especially, very west coast 70s feel.Makes me want to go to Cali.Funny Snoop dog ripped off the second one.

    If there is a David Axelrod song, it’s been sampled by a rapper somewhere along the way. Too many break beats.

    Aside from his own stuff, he is best known for producing a lot of stuff for Capitol Records back in the day. He had a long working relationship with the saxophonist Cannonball Adderley and the singer Lou Rawls.

    RMGS:
    Memo to all the Hemsky detractors from the team’s best player, Taylor Hall: “I don’t know where we’d be if we didn’t still have Ales here.”

    That sounds about right. Hall love Hems. Have you got a link? I’d love to read that.

    ——–
    looks like Franson caved:

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=432788

    interesting way to bargain to with your employees… put yourself in a corner and force them to take less than market value. lucky that Franson didn’t offer sheeted.

  106. russ99 says:

    We all saw this day coming with our bottom six when on FA day MacT signed Gordon and closed up shop on acquiring the other two shutdown wingers.

    But he did have Horcoff’s contract as a millstone at the time.

    Proof is in NHL games. Frankly I don’t think any of the AHL players, Marlie rejects and goons will do squat, but that’s why they play the games.

    I’d bet that Gordon and maybe Joensuu are left next fall.

  107. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    jake70:
    Racki, what would Boyd Gordon think about being 4th line center?Was he promised anything?

    I’ve been thinking about that too…

    I think if he were given most of the TOI at PK and played an elevated role for a 4C, he might not complain…. but he may Belanger on us.

  108. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    russ99:
    We all saw this day coming with our bottom six when on FA day MacT signed Gordon and closed up shop on acquiring the other two shutdown wingers.

    But he did have Horcoff’s contract as a millstone at the time.

    Proof is in NHL games. Frankly I don’t think any of the AHL players, Marlie rejects and goons will do squat, but that’s why they play the games.

    I’d bet that Gordon and maybe Joensuu are left next fall.

    Acton and Hamilton both have 2 year deals. So they’ll be here next year (or OKC) anyway. But I think we see upgrades of Eager, Brown, SMac, Smyth and probably Acton.

  109. Racki says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I’ve been thinking about that too…

    I think if he were given most of the TOI at PK and played an elevated role for a 4C, he might not complain…. but he may Belanger on us.

    Belanger retired yesterday because he has no ability to play the game anymore at a good level, not because the Oilers upset him by putting him in a hard role. But since Gordon has good ability to ride with offensive players, he could cycle into the top 9 too. He’s the only one I’d give more ice to.

  110. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Racki: Belanger retired yesterday because he has no ability to play the game anymore at a good level, not because the Oilers upset him by putting him in a hard role. But since Gordon has good ability to ride with offensive players, he could cycle into the top 9 too. He’s the only one I’d give more ice to.

    I wasn’t comparing their abilities, but their potential reactions to a change of role.

    Of course, Belanger was an NHL player when he arrived. From day one… not so much.

  111. nelson88 says:

    LT. Just wanted to compliment you on the last paragraph of your post.

    I don’t always agree with your take on the oilers but you demonstrate once again why this is hands down the best blog for Oiler fans. Your ability to keep the human element in mind, be respectful of posters and refrain from being petty are a gift. thanks

  112. Racki says:

    Ryan Jones clears. Some will like this. Some will blow their brains out. Don’t think this is a surprise though.

  113. rickithebear says:

    Center FO% diffrence in pocession
    51/49 4.1%
    52/48 8.3%
    53/47 12.8%
    54/46 17.4%
    55/45 22.2%
    56/44 27.2%
    57/43 32.6%
    58/42 38.1%
    59/41 43.9%
    60/40 50%

    On average 57 FO
    Roughly 22oz-13nz- 22dz
    therre are on average 29 shots per team.
    58 shots per game.
    24 shots are generated from the 57 face offs.
    The other 34 shots are generated from 90 free flow pocessions.
    we know on average from Dz & nz Fo wins and free flow there is .375 shots per pocession
    We know there are .5 shots per OZ FO win.

    Gordon 57% +32.6%
    Hall 54% + 17.4%
    Gagner 45.7% -18.8%
    RNH 39.2% – 55.1%
    Acton ?
    Arcobello ?

    Horcoff averaged 18.4 face-offs a game from 8-9 to 12-13.
    The second best was 13.4
    Boyd gordon Avg 16.1 FO with Phoenix.

    with 49 minutes of EV
    I would Expect
    XXX-Hall -Hemsky 14.25min
    Perron-XXX-Ebs 14.25 min
    Jeonsuu-XXX- YAK 13 min
    PK 5.5min
    PP 5.5 min

    1 draw per minute.
    1 would hope for 19 draws from hall and Gordon
    Hall 14-15 Even 4-5 PP
    Gordon 14-15 even 4-5 PK
    Arco 9-10 even
    Acton 7-8 Even.

  114. FastOil says:

    I don’t think Eakins likes those that might be somewhat immature and don’t get the basics of the task at hand done, at least. He’s too no nonsense, I imagine being a little flaky isn’t his thing either. Sort of like when asked about hot dogging he responded “did he score?”. I doubt he likes it because it’s not to the point, but as long as the job gets done, whatever.

    A lot of bosses like their trustworthy steady Eddy types. If you are unpredictable or unreliable there has to be a big upside to compensate for the stress.

  115. hags9k says:

    nelson88:
    LT. Just wanted to compliment you on the last paragraph of your post.

    I don’t always agree with your take on the oilers but you demonstrate once again why this is hands down the best blog for Oiler fans. Your ability to keep the human element in mind, be respectful of posters and refrain from being petty are a gift. thanks

    Agree 100% Nelson. I was going to post something similar to this about that last paragraph. I guess I am just used to LT’s very high level of integrity. But it shouldn’t be taken for granted.

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