NURSE SCORES TO BEGIN THE NIGHT’S ACTION

Darnell Nurse has scored already tonight, as his Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds are playing the Belleville Bulls in OHL play. The Oilers have several kids playing tonight in the CHL, among them Mitchell Moroz and Greg Chase who are having impact seasons at the junior level.

CHL SCORING BY OILER PROSPECTS

  1. Greg Chase (WHL) 14, 10-9-19
  2. Mitchell Moroz (WHL) 14, 12-5-17
  3. Darnell Nurse (OHL) 12, 2-10-12 (includes tonight’s goal)
  4. Kyle Platzer (OHL) 12, 4-4-8
  5. Jujhar Khaira (WHL) 8, 3-2-5
  6. Jackson Houck (WHL) 12, 2-1-3
  7. Ben Betker (WHL) 12, 0-2-2
  8. Marco Roy (QMJHL) Injured

 NCAA SCORING BY OILER PROSPECTS

  1. Kellen Jones 5, 1-3-4
  2. Joey Laleggia 4, 2-0-2
  3. Dillon Simpson 4, 0-1-1
  4. Evan Campbell 3, 0-0-0

 USHL

  1. Aidain Muir 7, 1-2-3

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  1. Romulus Apotheosis says:
  2. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I take it Muir’s suspension was served?

    Houck needs to get going, eh?

    He’s probably too busy working on his yoga out there.

  3. Lowetide says:

    Nurse scores another.

  4. Ice Sage says:

    Please Darnell, Nurse this franchise back to health

    (thats all i got)

  5. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    That was quick. 1-0 SA over OKC. just over a minute into the game.

  6. Lowetide says:

    Omark (Lander, Ford) tied at 1

  7. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    LT. I’ll leave you to it.

    Omark though, eh? he’s a gem.

  8. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    LT. I’ll leave you to it.

    Omark though, eh? he’s a gem.

    Chime in, Rom. No worries. :-)

  9. Lowetide says:

    Omark (Nesbitt, Larsen) 2-1 OKC

  10. Lowetide says:

    Nurse with an assist, now 2-1-3 on the night and 12, 3-11-14 for the season.

  11. G Money says:

    Lowetide:
    Nurse with an assist, now 2-1-3 on the night and 12, 3-11-14 for the season.

    Yeesh, three points? That’s not even one point per minute. Kid’s clearly a bust.

  12. Jon K says:

    Nurse’s performance so far this season is even more impressive when you consider that he’s reportedly playing against the opposition’s top offensive threats.

    http://www.theobserver.ca/2013/10/22/sarnia-looking-to-ride-momentum-into-game-against-greyhounds

    “Darnell Nurse

    18, D, 1G, 9A, 10GP in 2013-2014

    Many people believed the hulking defender would stay with the Edmonton Oilers for the season, and they probably could have used him. However, the Greyhounds are happy they got Nurse back as his point per game pace has only helped the team offensively. The value Nurse has on the backend for the Hounds is undeniable and his +3 rating is made even more impressive when you consider that he constantly sees time against other teams’ top line players. Look for him to be matched up with the Goldobin-Latta-Moore line.”

  13. justDOit says:

    Ice Sage:
    Please Darnell, Nurse this franchise back to health

    (thats all i got)

    Thanks Gene.

    They probably will end up rushing Nurse into the NHL, but at least he can get his chance to dominate a league for a year, and get to know that feeling. From the early glimpse I’ve had of Seth Jones, I’m thinking that Darnell can have a similar impact in his rookie year. It would help if he had a Weber to play with – not named Yannick, Will, Mike or Jeff.

    I compare those two players only because they are dominant young defenders – no other reason.

  14. bookje says:

    The icon for my Lowetide.ca link on my iphone just changed into a silhouette of a vulture. Was that something you did LT or is it just an ominous omen?

    I’m serious!

  15. Lynas1 says:

    Just wondering what’s been happening to Jujhar Khaira. He been pretty quiet?

  16. Lowetide says:

    bookje:
    The icon for my Lowetide.ca link on my iphone just changed into a silhouette of a vulture.Was that something you did LT or is it just an ominous omen?

    I’m serious!

    News to me. I have a fava thing my daughter is going to put on the blog, but she hasn’t done it yet.

  17. Lowetide says:

    Lynas1:
    Just wondering what’s been happening to Jujhar Khaira.He been pretty quiet?

    Injured

  18. Thinker says:

    justDOit,

    Lies. It’s because they both have family members who were professional athletes.
    Anyways, i thought nurse was just another mcillrath to dumba range dman(more physical than anything else), but now i think he might be more in the mold of dougie hamilton. He probably could play in the bigs next year, but that’s probably not a good idea on a team as weak defensively as edmonton. Were he in hamilton’s position i would being him in, but i keep him back a year.
    For the record, i still wanted nichushkin, and preferred ristolainen as a d prospect.

  19. Lowetide says:

    2 assists for John McCarron, this is his first game of the year. Laleggia has a goal for Denver.

  20. Lowetide says:

    Thinker:
    justDOit,

    For the record, i still wanted nichushkin, and preferred ristolainen as a d prospect.

    That’s exactly how I saw it too.

  21. Lowetide says:

    Larsen (Stretch, Fedun) 3-2 OKC

  22. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Omark playing the “net-front” role… to twist an earlier conversation on its head.

    How does he not get called up?!

    They should at least call his beard up. Fantastic!

  23. Lowetide says:

    Omark scores his third of the night on a penalty shot. 4-2 OKC.

  24. B.C.B says:

    I don’t watch many Barons’ games, but can someone tell me why Omark is not playing port side with Gordon?

  25. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Oh man… I thought fyten might have one there..
    and fucking Omark. forget the “dash” he’s just getting the damn job done. Call that tiny prick up already.

  26. Lowetide says:

    Moroz with another assist, he’s 15, 12-6-18 on the season.

  27. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Thinker,

    Lowetide,

    How do you feel about ristolainen staying up? BUF doesn’t seem to know what to do with him. Maata is older and I’d still send him back down. Or, even better… why not send these guys to SHL?

    The urge to rush D never fails to astound me.

  28. justDOit says:

    Thinker,

    Jeez. Can’t get anything past the superb talent on this blog.

  29. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Thinker,

    Lowetide,

    How do you feel about ristolainen staying up? BUF doesn’t seem to know what to do with him. Maata is older and I’d still send him back down. Or, even better… why not send these guys to SHL?

    The urge to rush D never fails to astound me.

    I had Ristolainen one ahead of Nurse, mostly based on a wider range of skills (Nurse as it turns out has added PP time to his resume).

    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2013/06/2013-entry-draft-post-23-the-final-30.html

    Send him down if he’s struggling. There’s no reason to rush the young man.

  30. sliderule says:

    I wanted Horvat mainly because I had seen him play a bunch.

    Hadn’t seen Nurse until camp but he converted me with his performance.

    He is going to be a tough defender with way more offence than most thought.

    Why is Marcinin not playing?I had hope for him.

  31. gr8one says:

    Speaking of Maata…With his emergence as an option plus Niskanen playing well, plus Paul Martin, plus cap issues for the Pens, +, +, +…

    I can’t help but wonder if Letang is going to be dealt at some point this season, the Pens just played their first game tonight with him and have showed they can be extremely effective with him out of the lineup, if that’s the case, it would be very bold for Mac T to target him…

    He’d be glorious dishing to our youngsters for the next decade, of course he is made of glass, so there is that.

    Anyways, food for thought.

  32. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: I had Ristolainen one ahead of Nurse, mostly based on a wider range of skills (Nurse as it turns out has added PP time to his resume).

    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2013/06/2013-entry-draft-post-23-the-final-30.html

    Send him down if he’s struggling. There’s no reason to rush the young man.

    I knew you had him higher… just wondering if you should even chance such a young player…

    “send him down if he’s struggling” seems like a good strategy for a young pro with a year or so of AHL duty under his belt… not great for a 18-19 year old.

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=687687

  33. Lowetide says:

    Omark, 4th of the game (Larsen, Nesbitt)

  34. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Omark with 4!

    If he gets 5, like he did against Eakins’ Marlies.. maybe he gets a call up?!

  35. fifthcartel says:

    The OKC blue line is so crowded at the moment.

    Fedun/Larsen/Potter/Hunt/Klefbom/Davidson/Marincin/Musil/Gernat.

    Surprised to see Marincin scratched but shouldn’t there be some clearing done in order to give some prospects more ice time?

    And – Andersen played great again for Anaheim. Fasth/Hiller/Andersen/Gibson is just insane depth, holy.

  36. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    gr8one:
    Speaking of Maata…With his emergence as an option plus Niskanen playing well, plus Paul Martin, plus cap issues for the Pens, +, +, +…

    I can’t help but wonder if Letang is going to be dealt at some point this season, the Pens just played their first game tonight with him and have showed they can be extremely effective with him out of the lineup, if that’s the case, it would be very bold for Mac T to target him…

    He’d be glorious dishing to our youngsters for the next decade, of course he is made of glass, so there is that.

    Anyways, food for thought.

    I don’t know much about Maata or the Pens depth chart on D, but I think cap issues are a bad reason to rush a young D.

    If he’s ready the point is moot. but I’ve watched enough players get rushed for dubious reasons to not be impressed with the results.

    I doubt Letang shakes loose FWIW. They probably would have done a sign and trade last year if that was the plan.

    He would drastically improve our D though!

  37. gr8one says:

    Man I despise the Canucks. Yuck.

  38. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    somehow I don’t think this “Wayland Baptist University” is a credible option for my future children’s education.

  39. Racki says:

    gr8one:
    Speaking of Maata…With his emergence as an option plus Niskanen playing well, plus Paul Martin, plus cap issues for the Pens, +, +, +…

    I can’t help but wonder if Letang is going to be dealt at some point this season, he just played his first game tonight with him and have showed they can be extremely effective with him out of the lineup, if that’s the case, it would be very bold for Mac T to target him…

    He’d be glorious dishing to our youngsters for the next decade, of course he is made of glass, so there is that.

    Anyways, food for thought.

    Letang is a pretty good D-man, but an 8 year contract at $7.250m terrifies me. But I guess he is a high end D, and that’s the price for those types. It would go miles to have a true #1 guy on the blueline.

  40. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    somehow I don’t think this “Wayland Baptist University” is a credible option for my future children’s education.

    Is that the church that hates people?

  41. OilFire says:

    Lowetide: Is that the church that hates people?

    That’s Westboro, home of the crazy nutters

  42. Lowetide says:

    OilFire: That’s Westboro, home of the crazy nutters

    Ah. Yeah. Thanks, suspected it was wrong but couldn’t remember.

  43. gr8one says:

    Racki: Letang is a pretty good D-man, but an 8 year contract at $7.250m terrifies me. But I guess he is a high end D, and that’s the price for those types. It would go miles to have a true #1 guy on the blueline.

    I actually think that contract will end up being pretty good value, with the exception of Karlsson I think Letang is probably the best pure offensive D Men in the world, plus he has a bit of an edge and not too bad in his own end either. The big IF, and it’s a huge one, he’ll need to stay healthy for it to be good value.

    But yes, I agree, it’s because of that “if” that makes the contract terrifying.

  44. theres oil in virginia says:

    OilFire: That’s Westboro, home of the crazy nutters

    At Westboro Baptist, we don’t hate you, Gawd does!

    What a despicable group of people.

  45. OilFire says:

    4 goals for Our Man Linus, but -1 on the night. I didn’t watch the game, how has he been defensively? If he could just get some average defense going I think he’d warrant a shot. Obviously not until then though.

  46. gr8one says:

    Man, with Arco playing so well, and if Omark continues this trajectory and makes a call up all but impossible to ignore and then plays impactful NHL minutes then when we get healthy this teams forward depth goes from being questionable to fucking outstanding.

    Hall Nuge Ebs
    Perron Gagner Yakupov
    Omark Arcobello Hemsky
    Joensuu Gordon Jones/Gazdic

    Smytty.

    Three legit scoring lines and a fourth that looks scary.

    o_O

  47. Racki says:

    gr8one: I actually think that contract will end up being pretty good value, with the exception of Karlsson I think Letang is probably the best pure offensive D Men in the world, plus he has a bit of an edge and not too bad in his own end either. The big IF, and it’s a huge one, he’ll need to stay healthy for it to be good value.

    But yes, I agree, it’s because of that “if” that makes the contract terrifying.

    Yah, that’s what I meant by the terrifying part. I’m scared of long contracts at that value in general because there’s always the worry of that long term injury in the back of my mind. On top of that, some guys.. I don’t know if they think the same way.. because some guys seem to drop off after getting the big pay day too. However, I’d take Weber in a heart beat, so I guess I’m not THAT terrified. :P I would definitely be behind a deal that lands the Oilers Letang, but I’ll always be a little worried about the team getting stuck with a big contract for a guy that can’t play, or suddenly goes into early retirement mode.

    The Oilers need this kind of guy though, so I’d take a leap of faith..

    On the note of the Pens, I’m not actually suggesting the Oilers should trade Yak for Letang, but could you imagine if Yak played there, and was receiving sweet love on a platter from Crosby??? How many goals would that kid have by 25??

  48. justDOit says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Omark with 4!

    If he gets 5, like he did against Eakins’ Marlies.. maybe he gets a call up?!

    Not if Safeway has anything to do with it.

  49. OilFire says:

    On LT’s blog yesterday:

    Dead Cat Bounce:
    Eakins is all hat and no cattle.

    Fired before the 40 game mark.

    On ON today:

    QuickSilver Ballet:

    …He looks totally lost as to where to begin. Get Laviolette in here and punt this all hat no cattle coach to the curb….

    Hmmmmm…. looks like we’ve discovered your oh-so-secret identity DSF/DCB/QSB

  50. gr8one says:

    Holy run on sentence batman. (to me)

    On another note, How ’bout them Av’s?

    Anyone here look at the underlying numbers of that team? Are they really as good as their record suggests thus far, or just smoke and mirrors like Toronto?

    They might actually be schooling the Oilers on how to go about a re-build.

  51. Racki says:

    gr8one:
    Man, with Arco playing so well, and if Omark continues this trajectory and makes a call up all but impossible to ignore and then plays impactful NHL minutes then when we get healthy this teams forward depth goes from being questionable to fucking outstanding.

    Hall Nuge Ebs
    Perron Gagner Yakupov
    Omark Arcobello Hemsky
    Joensuu Gordon Jones/Gazdic

    Smytty.

    Three legit scoring lines and a fourth that looks scary.

    I’m believing more and more that the Oilers need to move some of this skill for some guys that get their noses dirty. I heard another outsider mention that the Oilers just have the wrong mix of players (I forget who the other was,… I think a Montreal media guy?). This time it was on TSN 1260, from an LA media guy and former player Jim Fox, and I think they’re right.

    So me, I say no to Omark. This team could really benefit from a Simmonds type. I really think there needs to be more battle on the ice, and guys that are more committed all over the rink rather than just thinking about how to get open for the breakaway pass. Some might think it goes against the “possession” game, but there are some shift where I watch guys scrambling around carelessly like they think someone else is going to win the puck battle for them.

    Even Joensuu, when his back isn’t causing him problems, can improve the dynamic of a line a bit.

  52. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    gr8one:
    Holy run on sentence batman. (to me)

    On another note, How ’bout them Av’s?

    Anyone here look at the underlying numbers of that team? Are they really as good as their record suggests thus far, or just smoke and mirrors like Toronto?

    They might actually be schooling the Oilers on how to go about a re-build.

    Their sv% (2nd) and sh% (4th) is unreal:

    http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/teamstats.php?disp=1&db=201314&sit=5v5&sort=SVPCT&sortdir=DESC

    compare with last year’s:

    http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/teamstats.php?db=201213&sit=5v5&disp=1&sortdir=DESC&sort=GFPCT

    near the bottom (sv% 22nd; sh% 25th), same goaltenders, basically same shooters… the truth is somewhere in there… but probably not best in the NHL.

    If you want their underlying stats:

    http://www.extraskater.com/teams/2013/5v5

    28th in the NHL corsi for 5×5. worse than us.

    they are riding percentages hard right now!

  53. gr8one says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Their sv% (2nd) and sh% (4th) is unreal:

    http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/teamstats.php?disp=1&db=201314&sit=5v5&sort=SVPCT&sortdir=DESC

    compare with last year’s:

    http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/teamstats.php?db=201213&sit=5v5&disp=1&sortdir=DESC&sort=GFPCT

    near the bottom (sv% 22nd; sh% 25th), same goaltenders, basically same shooters… the truth is somewhere in there… but probably not best in the NHL.

    If you want their underlying stats:

    http://www.extraskater.com/teams/2013/5v5

    28th in the NHL corsi for 5×5. worse than us.

    they are riding percentages hard right now!

    Wow, well there ya go!

  54. Thinker says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I would have sent him back to europe. I actually prefer european prospects because they have a better developement path. Oftentimes junior players are just too good for their league, so all else being equal I take the player who can play against men year 1. It is better for them to be slightly out of their comfort zone, learning pro systems, and training with men. It’s hard to push yourself to the next level when your ahead of all your peers. At 18, your body just isn’t quite ready to pack on pro weight either, so I would never give a player outside the top 3 a chance in the bigs before a year in pro hockey and their 20th birthday. Especially D and keepers.

  55. Manitoba Oilers says:

    OilFire:
    4 goals for Our Man Linus, but -1 on the night. I didn’t watch the game, how has he been defensively?If he could just get some average defense going I think he’d warrant a shot.Obviously not until then though.

    That’s impossible
    5-4 win
    He scored 4 the worst he could have been was 0

  56. theres oil in virginia says:

    Manitoba Oilers: That’s impossible
    5-4 win
    He scored 4 the worst he could have been was 0

    PP goals?

  57. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Omark with 4!

    If he gets 5, like he did against Eakins’ Marlies.. maybe he gets a call up?!

    I think it is hilarious that we’ve arrived at the point in his career where we would suggest he needs five goals to be considered for a call-up. Certainly tells us where the hope/cynic ratio sits right now.

    I’m beginning to wonder if Omark is slowly becoming a mirror image of Alex Giroux. Someone who absolutely kills it in the AHL to the point where GMs repeatedly say to themselves “he must’ve figured it out by now” only to bring him up and discover that “it” just isn’t there.

    I’d love to see Omark come up and produce. I love his work down low and think he’d probably be a better net presence on the powerplay than Perron, but his 5v5 play just seemed to disappear this summer and now I’m not sure he’ll ever turn the corner in this organization.

  58. theres oil in virginia says:

    RexLibris,
    I’ve wondered that too; however, consider this:
    Alex Giroux – 12 points (6G, 6A) in 48 NHL games.
    Linus Omark – 30 points (8G, 22A) in 65 NHL games.

    Something other than “his offense disappears at the NHL level” is keeping him out of the NHL.

  59. RexLibris says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    Giroux kept getting looks because he was big and fast.

    Omark doesn’t get those same breaks, I’d argue because he doesn’t have the size. If he were 6’4″, heck the OIlers wouldn’t have needed Joensuu even with Omark’s own-zone flaws.

    Honestly, at this point with the Oilers so obviously needing to diversify their roster portfolio, so to speak, I’d just be happy to see Omark catch on somewhere out East – so the Oilers don’t have to play him as often and the media will finally cut him some slack.

  60. Tarkus says:

    RexLibris:
    theres oil in virginia,

    Giroux kept getting looks because he was big and fast.

    Omark doesn’t get those same breaks, I’d argue because he doesn’t have the size. If he were 6’4″, heck the OIlers wouldn’t have needed Joensuu even with Omark’s own-zone flaws.

    Honestly, at this point with the Oilers so obviously needing to diversify their roster portfolio, so to speak, I’d just be happy to see Omark catch on somewhere out East – so the Oilers don’t have to play him as often and the media will finally cut him some slack.

    Hmmm…I seem to recall that Giroux’s Achilles heel was his wheels. Skated like he was towing a Steinway.

    If Omark does indeed go east, Tampa would be a hilarious destination.

  61. RexLibris says:

    So Nurse is likely going to be either an Oiler or a Greyhound next season. I tend towards the conservative approach with prospects, especially blueliners, and while ideally I’d like him to go to the AHL I’m led to believe that his age negates that option.

    So, If we were to subtract Grebeshkov, Belov, Potter and, for the sake of argument, let’s say Smid from the current defensive rotation for next season, does anyone feel that Nurse would be able to find the necessary shelter and on-ice mentoring from the remaining players? I know some are going to suggest Ference, but unless he has another gear we haven’t seen yet I’m struggling to see how he will be able to help Nurse on the ice aside from a few pearls of wisdom about professionalism? I like him and do not regret his being an OIler or captain, but I believe there to be a talent-ceiling discrepancy between the two.

    Who could possibly be the Weber to Nurse’s Jones? The Chara to his Hamilton? The Suter to his Brodin? We’ve seen the results of Hall, Eberle and Nugent-Hopkins learning the game together with a few lesser-light veterans sprinkled in here and there. Doesn’t it seem like perhaps the Oilers are set to begin the same process with Klefbom, Marincin and Nurse, albeit likely with reduced expectations, over the course of the next calendar year?

  62. RexLibris says:

    Tarkus,

    Funny, I thought he had some speed. Of course, on the Oilers’ squads he was a part of…I’d look like Bobby Orr out there.

  63. fifthcartel says:

    RexLibris,

    Agreed, I don’t see them adding anyone that could play that mentoring role and would much rather them send him back for his last OHL season a la Pietrangelo. However, I see them keeping him up next year.

  64. RexLibris says:

    Hey LT,

    Because you love the gifs, check this fellow out. http://erdalinci.tumblr.com/

  65. RexLibris says:

    fifthcartel,

    I’d be so happy to see them send him back next year. Unfortunately I think he’ll stand out enough they’ll keep him.

    This is the major flaw of teams in that they see a junior-eligible talent excel in their roster and decide that he is ready because their perspective is so skewed by their internal deficiencies that they cannot understand the league average level of ability. Cases in point: Sam Gagner, Sean Monahan, and perhaps Darnell Nurse. Internal weaknesses only serve to amplify the potential of the prospect and an inability to objectively assess the team’s strengths and weaknesses leads GMs and coaches to believe that the prospect is ready when he may not yet be.

    Gagner looked like a keeper in 2007-2008 because the Oilers were that bad at center. The Flames are finding the same thing this year. Fans there are saying they can finally see what a team looks like with a real, capable NHL center and it is an eye-opener. Heck, even Oilers fans have seen the same thing with the development of Hall and Eberle these past few years. Many who didn’t see the Glory Years look at these players in Oilers uniforms and say “oh, that’s what elite-level talent looks like from this side of the rink!”.

    If the Oilers had a #1 and a #2 defenseman that they could legitimately hold up to the rest of the league, even if they were just middle of the pack, then they might be able to resist that urge to promote Nurse. However, I remain skeptical.

  66. dangilitis says:

    What’s all the more impressive is who Omark playing with while getting 10 pts in his last 6 games.

    NHL Team struggling to score goals, employing Jones and Gazdic on the 4th line, while Omark is quickly returning to form in OKC.

    What more does MacT need, a road map from Omark’s house to the airport?
    4 goals in a game? This is the signal, Jerry. This is the signal.

  67. dangilitis says:

    http://theahl.com/malhotra-a-true-pro-in-charlotte-p188049

    I am pretty sure I would take him over Acton

  68. rickithebear says:

    Mitch moroz: nhl player!
    The last 10 Ohl/Whl seasons there have been
    36 forwards u20 who got 30 goals 100 pim 1.00+ PPG
    20 were 6′+ and 185 lb +

    6’3″ 210lb
    E. fehr
    T. brower
    G. wilson
    Tom sestito
    C. Perry
    A. ladd
    M. Martin
    C. stewart
    2 do not have great foot speed

    M. moroz is on pace for a 50G 250 pim season
    40G 150 pim is pretty likely.

    turn of the century
    40G 150 PIM CHL
    S. Ott
    B. morrow

    30G 150 Pim
    M. Martin
    C. Clutterbuck
    N. foligno
    D. clarkson
    D. Carcillo
    C. Mcormick
    S. Avery
    C. Armstrong
    P, gaustad
    J. TooToo
    C. Mcleod
    M. Lucic
    L. Suter
    B. Ross

    20G 200 pim
    B. Eager
    S. Avery
    C. Niel
    J. Boll
    B. prust
    D. Dorsett
    K. Beach

    20G 150 pim
    A. Shaw
    Z. Kassian
    l. Gazdic
    R. Flick
    S. Downie
    P. Kaletta
    Z. Storitini
    C. Perry
    C. Fraser

    Yeah! me no think 2nd a waste on Mr. moroz.

  69. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Thinker:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I would have sent him back to europe. I actually prefer european prospects because they have a better developement path. Oftentimes junior players are just too good for their league, so all else being equal I take the player who can play against men year 1.It is better for them to be slightly out of their comfort zone, learning pro systems, and training with men. It’s hard to push yourself to the next level when your ahead of all your peers. At 18, your body just isn’t quite ready to pack on pro weight either, so I would never give a player outside the top 3 a chance in the bigs before a year in pro hockey and their 20th birthday. Especially D and keepers.

    Have you put any thought into Nurse in the SHL next year. It’s something I’ve been batting around here, but I think it would never happen for a variety of reasons (one may well be the various transfer agreements and the CBA… I can’t recall if a CHL product can jump ship like that or not).

    But, really for high calibre D they are going to be too good for the CHL and not good enough for the NHL and as long as the AHL is unavailable because of stupid agreements… the SHL looks really good. And they seem to pump out amazing Ds.

  70. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    RexLibris: I’d love to see Omark come up and produce.

    When he got a good chunk of a season in the NHL, he got 27 points in 51 games. That’s pretty good. And, it’s not like his offence has collapsed since then.

  71. Lowetide says:

    Omark produced in his one full NHL season, but the Oilers have FOUR rookie wingers of note that year (Hall, Eberle, Paajarvi and Omark). If he’d come over even one year before, things may have been different.

  72. VanOil says:

    rickithebear,

    Thank you that was informative, interesting and potentially good news.

  73. Thinker says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    It would probably be a battle for sure. Yak got away with it, and my memory fails me on why, but I think the russian factor had a huge role to play. I can’t imagine the CHL letting any north american head to russia before they’ve served their time(like the finnish army). Not to mention hockey execs are some of the most thickheaded people going, and I’m sure they would see such moves as sacrilege. If It was possible, I would be all for it. If I were the oilers, I would forge a strong relationship with at least one team in every euro league. Oil let their prospects play there until they’re ready for the bigs maybe agree to have their players play there over lockouts plus a little financial incentive. This would be especially useful for european prospects, as they can be a little closer to home. This would also be a good way for Oilers to get scouting reports for players across the pond. It’s not the same as a farm team, as we wouldn’t have any control over prospects playing time, or how many make the team, but it would still be beneficial. Then the farm team can be made up of older prospects closer to the bigs; you know finishing touches on the cake. Sadly this is a pipe dream, there is such little positive interaction between the NHL and european leagues it’s disgusting.

  74. Gerta Rauss says:

    Lowetide:
    Omark produced in his one full NHL season, but the Oilers have FOUR rookie wingers of note that year (Hall, Eberle, Paajarvi and Omark). If he’d come over even one year before, things may have been different.

    I think Blue Rodeo wrote a song that sums up Omark’s timing of that decision.

    I’d like to see the kid play well so MacT can move him along,even as a throw in if a deal happens to come along. He had zero value when he cleared waivers in Sept, a few more 4 goal games may turn some heads as the season moves along.

    The kid may play in the NHL some day, but it won’t be with the Oilers.

  75. Ribs says:

    bookje:
    The icon for my Lowetide.ca link on my iphone just changed into a silhouette of a vulture.Was that something you did LT or is it just an ominous omen?

    I’m serious!

    Is it these guys? http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h305/Ribs7/buzzards1.jpg

    Ominous, indeed.

  76. jp says:

    B.C.B:
    I don’t watch many Barons’ games, but can someone tell me why Omark is not playing port side with Gordon?

    Omark had a bad camp and didn’t score his first point until his 4th game (3-0-0-0 to start and -3 with just 3 shots). Then a couple of 4 point games in quick succession. He’ll be in the NHL before long if he keeps that up.

    I like how MacT is collecting assets. Aside from providing depth, guys like Arcobello, Omark and all the 5-7 D can be moved for picks if they play well (even if they don’t fit with what the current Oiler team needs).

  77. jp says:

    rickithebear,

    That is a truly remarkable list. It looks like you filtered first for NHL players.

    Some real hope for Moroz. I think he’s make it in a bottom 6 role.

  78. jp says:

    Manitoba Oilers: That’s impossible
    5-4 win
    He scored 4 the worst he could have been was 0

    1 ES, 2 PP and 1 on a penalty shot. A hell of a game for being -1 though.

    Actually, just checked. Despite the 9-7-3-10 boxcars, Omark is tied with Davidson for the worst +/- on the team (-6). That could keep him on the farm.

  79. PaperDesigner says:

    jp: 1 ES, 2 PP and 1 on a penalty shot. A hell of a game for being -1 though.

    Actually, just checked. Despite the 9-7-3-10 boxcars, Omark is tied with Davidson for the worst +/- on the team (-6). That could keep him on the farm.

    I would be thoroughly disappointed if the team was using plus-minus to assess their players.

    But I think they should call Omark up. It’s not like the PP couldn’t use a new look right now.

    On a brighter note, it’s wonderful to see Nurse tearing apart the OHL offensively. A two-way blue liner would be a really useful piece.

  80. stevezie says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Brother, I’ve been promoting the former SEL as an option since Schremp. We can all agree that there are many players with nothing left to gain from beating on teenagers, but wh still aren’t ready for the NHL. Can’t g to the A. So? Let’s go to Sweden.

    SCouts are constantly touting the benefits of player X having “played against men.” I’m guessing less chance of injury. Easy to see the argument from the team’s perspective. And the player? Good mercy, would you rather be making 50K a year and visiting Europe professionally or bussing between Moose Jaw and Everett for peanuts?

    If I was Nurse I wouldn’t wait for the team to send me.

    Just makes too much sense.

  81. stevezie says:

    fifthcartel,

    As soon as Gagner gets back I am willing to put money on Arcobello and Marincin (or maybe Musil?) being packaged for a Wayne Simmons type. Possibly the man himself.

    The logjam of D is cleared and Arco’s formidable but replicated skills are swapped for something we lack. Can’t force a deal that’s not there but the offer makes sense, non?

    Omark is doing what he needs to. He will get a shot somewhere. Right now Jones’ penalty killing gives him a role but it’s not like he is amazing at that. I see Omark as an upgrade over him or Eager, but I wouldn’t bother calling him up unless he’s improved defensively. Nelson’s got a job to do there. Hopefully he is as good as Eakins was last year. Hopefully Eakins is that good now.

  82. 106 and 106 says:

    Lowetide,

    Does that count as putting up crooked numbers?

  83. leadfarmer says:

    gr8one,

    It depends if you think their goalies can maintain their .981 and .948 save percentages.

  84. leadfarmer says:

    I think you got to call up Omark after last game at least for a game. What message do you send to the rest of the AHLers if you don’t

  85. Lynas1 says:

    Lowetide,

    Thanks LT. Hadn’t heard anything about it.

  86. leadfarmer says:

    Good to hear Chunky Soup Jr is doing well in Sault St. Marie. Hope the oil are smart with him and give him another year in the minors and a year in AHL.

  87. Woodguy says:

    Patrick C ‏@ChunkletsHockey 22m
    Bogdan Yakimov with 2 goals today vs. #Ugra, playing in the 3rd period. #Neftekhimik #Oilers

  88. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Thinker,

    stevezie,

    Thanks for your thoughts. I know it’s a pipe dream, but it’s hard to stop thinking about it.

    It looks like there is no way the Oilers keep Nurse out of the NHL next year and I think that is a huge mistake. And, you have to think the team (part of them anyway) knows this… I imagine if the AHL was an option, he’d at least see half the season there.

    Is it too much to ask that they at least park Nurse in the OHL until after the trade deadline (save a year of RFA status; keep him developing)?

  89. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Gerta Rauss: I think Blue Rodeo wrote a song that sums up Omark’s timing of that decision.

    I’d like to see the kid play well so MacT can move him along,even as a throw in if a deal happens to come along. He had zero value when he cleared waivers in Sept, a few more 4 goal games may turn some heads as the season moves along.

    The kid may play in the NHL some day, but it won’t be with the Oilers.

    WG had an interesting post the other day on how teams have their own kids pushing up on the bottom two lines and aren’t willing to take on Omark types (not just size related, but simply because they want those spots for their own projects).

    The one thing I keep thinking about though is players like Brunner (who had trouble getting another contract after a solid season… which seems to confirm WG’s thesis) and Zuccarello. Both in their mid-late 20s, both small, skilled forwards that weren’t traditional prospects who have founds NHL homes.

    If he keeps growing that beard I give him 50/50 odds.

  90. hunter1909 says:

    Look no further than Colorado to see what a successful rebuild looks like.

    Look no further than the Oilers to see endless excuses, and losing hockey.

  91. leadfarmer says:

    hunter1909,

    I won’t argue with you about the Oilers, and I think this team will provide a warning to all future teams that think few years in lottery = Stanley Cup. But it might be a little early to be calling the Avs rebuild a success. Unless you think Jiggy can continue his save percentage 70 points above his career average. Remember when Khabi did that.

  92. Woodguy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: WG had an interesting post the other day on how teams have their own kids pushing up on the bottom two lines and aren’t willing to take on Omark types (not just size related, but simply because they want those spots for their own projects).

    The one thing I keep thinking about though is players like Brunner (who had trouble getting another contract after a solid season… which seems to confirm WG’s thesis) and Zuccarello. Both in their mid-late 20s, both small, skilled forwards that weren’t traditional prospects who have founds NHL homes.

    If he keeps growing that beard I give him 50/50 odds.

    The beard is key.

  93. russ99 says:

    .Just watched the OKC highlight video on the Oilers app, and jeez…

    Omark is all over the place. He could have scored 8 with a little luck the way he’s playing. He was absolutely relentless in the O-zone. I know it’s vs. AHL defensive coverage, but who cares.

    Call him up, MacT!

  94. mustang says:

    gr8one:
    Man, with Arco playing so well, and if Omark continues this trajectory and makes a call up all but impossible to ignore and then plays impactful NHL minutes then when we get healthy this teams forward depth goes from being questionable to fucking outstanding.

    Hall Nuge Ebs
    Perron Gagner Yakupov
    Omark Arcobello Hemsky
    Joensuu Gordon Jones/Gazdic

    Smytty.

    Three legit scoring lines and a fourth that looks scary.

    o_O

    Not sure why you guys love Omark so much. I understand he’s a little wizard the puck, everyone can see that. He has flaws in his game that doesn’t translate his game to the NHL level. God only knows how many times this guy has been shopped around the league in trade senerios, he’s been waived more than once, every single NHL team could have signed this guy but…they didn’t. If he played like Gallagher then he would be a player. He’s 26 hasn’t figured out which side of the puck he needs to play on, there is no grit to his game like Gallagher or Marchand, he’s not a fast skater he’s just average at best. These are the reason’s I can see he doesn’t make the NHL. Will someone explain to me why he’s damn good, I just don’t see it, a lot of career AHLer’s have scored 4 or more goals in a game.

  95. rickithebear says:

    jp:
    rickithebear,

    That is a truly remarkable list. It looks like you filtered first for NHL players.

    Some real hope for Moroz. I think he’s make it in a bottom 6 role.

    No but 5’7″ to 5’11, less than 200lb and 20′year seasons in ohl/whl were scratched.
    Pretty structured biased exclusion for NHL teams.

    The interesting list of 20 30G+. 100+Pim CHL
    50g
    K Beach
    E Fehr
    L Caputi

    40G
    A Lowry
    D bowman
    T Brower
    G Wilson
    Tom Sestito
    C Perry

    30G
    C. MacArthur
    B Dubinsky
    A Ladd
    S kasmachuck
    N Kadri
    M Martin
    W Simmonds
    C Stewart
    N Foligno
    D Clarkson

    Foot speed seems to be the factor.
    Not a problem for Mitch!

    We sure have tried a lot from the 20G 150+Pim group
    4 of the 16
    Gazdic
    Stortini
    Fraser
    Eager

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