OILERS AT CANADIENS G10, 13-14

The Edmonton Oilers won’t play tonight with a full deck, but they need this road win to salvage a very difficult early portion of the season. A 2-3-1 road trip represents a major victory when you consider this team flew into Ottawa winless in 4 games. No sir. Tonight’s a big game. Azorcan3

It’s an open question as to what the lines will look like tonight, I’m just going to list the forwards and blue in order of importance (and with the assumption that Jordan Eberle is playing).

FORWARDS

  1. R Jordan Eberle
  2. R Ales Hemsky
  3. C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
  4. L David Perron
  5. C Boyd Gordon
  6. L Nail Yakupov
  7. C Mark Arcobello
  8. C Will Acton
  9. R Ryan Jones
  10. L Ben Eager
  11. R Tyler Pitlick
  12. L Luke Gazdic

I think that’s right. Oilers don’t have enough forwards with Hall, Smyth and Gagner unavailable and Brown out of town. If Eberle doesn’t play, Grebeshkov might be a forward.

DEFENSE

  1. Jeff Petry
  2. Justin Schultz
  3. Andrew Ference
  4. Anton Belov
  5. Ladislav Smid
  6. Denis Grebeshkov
  7. Nick Schultz
  8. Taylor Fedun

So, there’s that. The Oilers have 4 pairs of defensemen but can’t ice four lines. Unusual. Fedun’s callup was listed in AHL transactions but I haven’t seen it elsewhere.

comedy

The Oilers traded Mike Brown last night, it was a good trade in two ways. First, they got a draft pick in return–a 4th–and that has value. I’ve spoken to a few draft people in the last few weeks, and it seems as though this year is not a strong one for the draft. It doesn’t matter. Mike Brown’s CORSI ON was 372nd out of 419 NHL forwards this season. Ryan Jones, Tyler Pitlick and anyone else who is thrown in there is extremely likely to be better.

And it’s a positive in that the organization’s management picked the right player to offload. Adding Ben Eager to the roster gives them a more capable veteran, someone who can do more things and has more experience with things like goal scoring and playing with skill (should it be required). This is a positive all around.

mahovlich

I could choose 100 painful pictures from my youth involving the Habs, but Frank Mahovlich wearing that uniform is pretty damn difficult. Mahovlich won 4 Stanley’s with the Leafs and was a big part of the 1971 and 1973 Montreal Stanley’s. The Big M was a tall drink of water who was a tough out when he got up to speed and he could shoot the puck well enough to score anywhere inside the blueline (this would be the old blueline).

Habs gave up Mickey Redmond (an outstanding young scorer, he would suffer a career ending back injury just a few short years later), Bill Collins (a competent to good checking C who could penalty kill and score when given the icetime) and Guy Charron (a long forgotten but talented offensive player). It was a good deal for Detroit, would have been a great one with health for Redmond, but it was a perfectly timed ‘perfect fit’ trade by Sam Pollock: his young offensive wingers (Redmond, Marc Tardif) were taking their own sweet time getting up to speed, and this was a veteran team, a Beliveau team, an Henri Richard team, and they simply didn’t have time to wait for greatness.

So they traded for it, won the Stanley and broke my heart. I’ll forgive them about 50 years after I die.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

Genevieve Bujold In 'The King Of Hearts'

 

This morning at 10, TSN1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Ryan Batty from Copper and Blue. Mike Brown trade, 11 forwards for tonight, Hall injury, lighting candles. 
  • Andrew Berkshire from Eyes on the Prize. Habs are injury riddled but have a winning record. I’ll find out how.
  • Rob Soria from Oil Drop. Acquiring a top pairing D, making sense of the lineup and Dubnyk’s recovery
  • Kirk Luedeke from Redline Report and NEHJ. We’ll talk BoSox-Cardinals WS, strength of draft 2014, Yale’s Arcobello and goalies in the NCAA.

10-1260 via text, @Lowetide_ on twitter. This is a spirited bunch of guests, hope you can tune in. 10am, TSN1260 or you can go to the website and ‘listen live’ beginning at 10am EDM time.

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  1. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    FWIW looks like the Eager call up is officially confirmed:

    Edmonton Oilers ✔ @EdmontonOilers
    #Oilers recall Ben Eager from the AHL’s @OKCBarons.

    Odd that Fedun was apparently recalled, even more odd that it hasn’t been announced.

  2. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    “I’m just going to list the forwards and blue in order of importance”

    Jeff Petry
    Justin Schultz
    Andrew Ference
    Anton Belov
    Ladislav Smid
    Denis Grebeshkov
    Nick Schultz
    Taylor Fedun

    I seem to recall someone saying Belov was going to be in the top 4 pretty quick!

  3. mumbai max says:

    Jim Neilson is the defender in that photo. Those early 70′s Ranger teams broke MY heart. Brad Park couldn’t be better than Orr, and Hadfield Ratelle and Gilbert couldn’t be better that Esposito Hodge and Cashman when the chips were down. Then THE TRADE broke it again. Could not stand Park and Ratelle playing for the Bruins. Wow that was a long time ago and it still feels so fresh!

  4. Lowetide says:

    Mumbai: Dale Rolfe, no? As for the Rangers, they got robbed in 1972 when Rolfe broke Jean Ratelle’s ankle (ankle? foot?) in a pre-game skate. Lordy.

  5. mumbai max says:

    Lowetide:
    Mumbai: Dale Rolfe, no? As for the Rangers, they got robbed in 1972 when Rolfe broke Jean Ratelle’s ankle (ankle? foot?) in a pre-game skate. Lordy.

    Yes. Without that injury that whole line would have finished with 50+ goals. As it was, even missing more than a dozen games Ratelle finished with 46, Gilbert with 44 and Hadfield with 50 (from memory). GAG line. Sweet. (Yes, it is Rolfe). :-) p.s. I think Ratelle got back for the final

  6. Lowetide says:

    mumbai max: Yes. Without that injury that whole line would have finished with 50+ goals. As it was, even missing more than a dozen games Ratelle finished with 46, Gilbert with 44 and Hadfield with 50 (from memory).GAG line. Sweet.(Yes, it is Rolfe). :-)

    I remember that team so well, they were very good. In that era, both the Rangers and Hawks deserved to win a Stanley imo,but it didn’t happen. Rangers had a silly good hockey club.

  7. RexLibris says:

    Funny thing. Growing up in my household there was no (and I mean NO) love for the Leafs. Then add on the big Anderson trade, Curtis Joseph and the pre-cap salary inflation that they were a big part of (not to mention the obnoxious media pandering and “Rest of Canada” attitude) and I just cannot foster any sympathy for the suffering of the sports teams in Canada’s Greatest City, with the exception of the Argos under Ricky Ray – those Flutie-led teams broke MY heart.

    On another note, glad they traded Brown and surprised they got a 4th for him. From what I have read thus far 2014 is a weaker draft than last year, but we all know that GMs lose perspective on draft values as we get closer to the deadline and then seemingly reverse logical polarities at draft day so better to have and not need, I suppose.

  8. Racki says:

    When people are all healthy or close to it, the Oilers could roll a 4th of Pitlick-acton-jones.. Not all world but a big jump on what they had.

  9. Old School G says:

    Pitlick that knocking that you hear is opportunity…make the most of it young man!

  10. slopitch says:

    Interesting you bring up Mahovolich trade and how the Habs were a veteran team that couldnt wait. Well, Im tired of waiting too :)

    Good luck in SJ Mike Brown. I never doubted your drive once. I dont mind the trade, cap space and a roster spot. If the Oilers are gonna make moves, there will likely be 2 for 1 type trades but who knows. I spend some time playing around on the sledgehammer graphs this morn…

    Anyone know if Marcus Foglino is any good? He stands out on Buffalo’s graph in that he’s a blue dot. He’s also in the top left quadrant and has size. Christian Erhoff also looks tempting – especially for Daryl Katz as Buffalo just finished paying him the big bucks. Also don’t mind Kulikov on FLA.

    Philly still has some good players. And it looks like the entire league missed a chance to scoop up Ryan Johanson on the cheap.

  11. godot10 says:

    1) Doug Wilson’s thinking. If you have to have a useless face puncher, Mike Brown is a good one to have. He will be better on a good team. He can skate and keep up. He is of good character. He is on an expiring contract.

    2) Daryl Sutter is a great quick fix, but his teams peak out early and then begin a long slow decline. Pretty much the same thing happens, everywhere he has been. I expect Lombardi may change coaches next summer.

    3) If Nurse and Klefbom are actually close, MacT looks at the duration of Smid’s contract (with Ference locked-in NMC), I think he is defintiely looking for a hockey deal involving Smid. No dump, but a hockey deal.

  12. G Money says:

    - No question about the content of the top 7, but … Hemsky “more important” than RNH?

    - Wow, that’s a helluva cliff from #7 to #8. Cliff moves to #6-#7 if Eberle is out. Talk about the huge manatee.

    - If there’s silver lining, it is that last year we had a helluva cliff from #6 to #7 WITH Hall and Gagner in the lineup. Gordon, Perron, and Arco, welcome, stay a while. And let me daydream a moment about the lineup WITH Hall, Gagner, Joensuu, and Smyth back in the lineup.

  13. wheatnoil says:

    Eberle back on the ice for practice this am as per Oilers twitter.

  14. Logan91 says:

    Just great, Hall is out for a month :(

  15. goldenchild says:

    Nice job by MacT to undo the Tambi blunder and get the 4th rd pick back, now if he can only get Khabby to give me the 3 years I lost back.

    Do we know if Schultz Sr is back in today? Grebs looked uneven thought he did some nice things but he seemed to get benched late. If Grebs is back in that means that 15 is in big trouble and that the coach agrees with the majority here.

    The Gordon hemsky Smyth line got killed according the game numbers from Boys on the bus and today Gordon is lined up with Pitlick and Jones, man thats a lot weight to carry.

    Just got a Score alert saying Hall out 4 weeks. Not great but at least its manageable especially if Samwise and Jonesuu get back soon. Get healthy Taylor

  16. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    big tweet update on variety of topics:

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 2m
    “Tyler has figured out what he needed to do to play at the NHL level. We’re excited to give him the opportunity.” – MacT on Pitlick

    Jack Michaels ‏@EdmontonJack 2m
    Looks like Nick Schultz draws back in alongside Ference. Smid-Petry, J. Schultz-Belov remain intact. Grebeshkov likely a scratch.
    Retweeted by Edmonton Oilers
    Expand

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 36s
    #Oilers lines this morning in MTL –> Yakupov-RNH-Eberle, Perron-Arcobello-Hemsky, Jones-Gordon-Pitlick and Eager-Acton-Gazdic
    Expand

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 8m
    GM MacTavish says Taylor Hall is expected to be out four weeks due to his injured left knee.
    Expand

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 10m
    MacTavish says Gazdic’s play in a similar role, the desire to call Pitlick up to the NHL club and the team’s # of contracts led to trade.
    Expand

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 11m
    “From a personal perspective, it was tough to do because he’s a hell of a guy.” – GM MacTavish on Mike Brown trade last night
    Expand

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 21m
    Ben Eager and Tyler Pitlick both on the ice for #Oilers morning skate in Montreal. Stay tuned for some line rush combos.
    Expand

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 24m
    Jordan Eberle back skating with #Oilers this morning.
    Expand

  17. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    That’s the big push for Pitlick. Wow, that was fast. One good camp and they were salivating to have him up. MacT traded a player (in part to make room) and Eakins has him on the 3rd line (mind you on an injury ravaged team).

    Congrats Tyler. Let’s see if you’ve got the juice.

    Interesting, no mention of Fedun yet. This remains a curiosity.

  18. goldenchild says:

    Ah Romulus Apotheosis, with the Schultz info, looks like he gets a reprive though I dont think he will be able to hold on to a regular spot.

  19. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 2m
    GM MacTavish says Ryan Smyth (groin) is expected out for about a week. He returned home to #yeg for examination yesterday.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg9ruee3Vos

    sorry for all the twitter updates. I’ve got the Oil twitter open in case of trade and thought others might want the info in writing.

  20. justDOit says:

    “You’re a helluva guy, Brownie – now go over there, Yes. There.”

    Now to entice SMac into retirement with a job as Katz’s bodyguard.

    http://filmsirkus.no/images/jaws-teeth-james-bond-prop-replica-9.jpg

  21. GordM says:

    Hall gone for a month sucks but I’ll take that over any announcement that started with the word ‘reconstructive…’

    Looking forward to seeing what Pitlick brings.

  22. Thinker says:

    So hall’s out. Without a miracle, the seasons done. Lose more than two of the next five, and you can kiss the season goodbye. Might as well put hall, ebs, yak, jschultz and dubnyk on the scouting staff. Why make a push, if you can’t miss the playoffs.

  23. justDOit says:

    Hall gone for a month sucks for Oiler fans, and for hockey fans in general. Love him or hate him, he makes the game better when he comes to your rink. At least the fans still get to watch Gryba play…

  24. russ99 says:

    Hall out for 4 weeks? That’s the best news we could have gotten.

    Thinker:
    So hall’s out. Without a miracle, the seasons done. Lose more than two of the next five, and you can kiss the season goodbye. Might as well put hall, ebs,yak, jschultz and dubnyk on the scouting staff.Why make a push, if you can’t miss the playoffs.

    All these guys have to do is stay within range of the 8th playoff spot until the Olympic break. Then we’ll have a chance. Season is far from done.

    Pitlick is a fill-in at best, but I’m hopeful that he’ll do well. Given the extra contract/cap room with Brown dealt, I’d love to see MacT really address the glaring need for a shutdown winger on the 3rd line than plugging in kids and previously failed options like Eager and Jones.

  25. RexLibris says:

    You can’t sugarcoat losing Hall, but at least with Eberle, Yakupov, Perron and the imminent return of Gagner (likely to the wing) at least this team isn’t faced with the certainty of folding like a cheap tent on account of his absence.

    I’d been expecting a 3-4 week duration, so no surprise there.

    The real question from where I sit is, where will this team be when Hall gets back? If we are still talking about another trade show to drop, being badly outshot, a stagnant powerplay, learning Eakins’ system or more questions about goaltending then this team is really in crisis.

  26. PerryK says:

    slopitch,

    “Anyone know if Marcus Foglino is any good? He stands out on Buffalo’s graph in that he’s a blue dot. He’s also in the top left quadrant and has size.”

    I think he is very good and about to break out. This year most likely.

    Had a cup of coffee of note in 2011-2012; 13 points in 14 games! Last year wasn’t great and this year hasn’t started wonderfully. But I have had high hopes on this player since the WJC that I watched him play in.

  27. Woodguy says:

    godot10,

    3) If Nurse and Klefbom are actually close, MacT looks at the duration of Smid’s contract (with Ference locked-in NMC), I think he is defintiely looking for a hockey deal involving Smid. No dump, but a hockey deal.

    Don’t discount Fedun grabbing a spot if he’s given a chance this year.

    I thought he was one of the 6 best Dmen in camp.

    Be interesting to see if they give him some ice time while he’s up or if its just the “no play” tour that Larsen and Davidson got while getting a NHL paycheque for a week (which is about as much as the yearly AHL cheque)

  28. KSC10032 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    FWIW — the AHL transaction site that LT linked shows Fedun “recalled from loan” on the 21st and “returned” on the 22nd.

    Perhaps some arcane contractual/paperwork move? Or just a typo from whoever edits the AHL page?

  29. MrEd says:

    I appreciate the Twitter updates. Lowetide is about my only hockey stop.

    Watching our boys play in Montreal is awesome.

    It feels like we dodged a bullet with Hall.

    Go Pitlick. Go Eager.

    Hemsky. With his nice start I’m beginning to wonder about his value. Does it take more or less for the Oilers to retain his services for a while?

  30. TeeVee says:

    Fedun is no longer showing on the Oilers active roster.

  31. GriffCity says:

    Hall out for a month definitely sucks but could be worse. We should have Gags back soon and hopefully guys like Yak can pick up their games. Heres a question: What is the deal with Jesse Joensuu? This guy really makes me angry, hes supposed to be a power forward and had shown well in his 1 1/2 games played but how does a guy like tht get injured so easily? There wasnt even a play where I could have imagined him getting injured. Hes been out 2 weeks with back spasms, like are you kidding me? You are supposed to be a professional athlete in top physical condition, instead hes a band-aid. This is the exact reason the Islanders dumped him in the first place, his constant injuries. I mean you cant blame a guy for breaking his hand or foot, or busting up his knee or his jaw but Joensuu has phantom injuries that were never caused by one specific action. In NYI it was hernia problems, now in EDM is back problems, and after only 1 game! Until he proves he can handle more than a couple games in a row without pulling up lame, I dont like this sissy

  32. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    KSC10032:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    FWIW — the AHL transaction site that LT linked shows Fedun “recalled from loan” on the 21st and “returned” on the 22nd.

    Perhaps some arcane contractual/paperwork move?Or just a typo from whoever edits the AHL page?

    Thanks for the tip, here it is in b/w if anyone is interested:

    http://theahl.com/stats/transactions.php?showFull=0&f_season_id=43&f_team_id=0

    anyone know what “DEL” stands for? I’m sure it’s obvious, but I can’t figure it out at the moment.

    As to what that is all about… who knows… maybe they thought a trade would go through that failed, maybe a player looked injured but was cleared, maybe it’s just a clerical error…

    The really odd thing is (let’s assume they called him, or were going to, and then sent him down), why this weird order of call-ups: Davidson, Larsen, Fedun? Both Larsen and Fedun are RDs… At any rate, it’s confusing. Best not to think about it too much (too late!).

    ———

    MrEd: Hemsky. With his nice start I’m beginning to wonder about his value. Does it take more or less for the Oilers to retain his services for a while?

    With this injury situation and the market so dry I wouldn’t expect anything on Hemsky until the deadline and by then he could be any of 1) re-signed (we can only hope); 2) injured and untradeable; 3) playing awesome on a playoff bound team willing to lose him to free agency in the Summer; 4) playing terrible and worthless; 5) revealed to be the lizard king, confirming all of David Ickes nightmares.

  33. justDOit says:

    GriffCity,

    The hit that JJ put on Big Buff in Winnipeg had ME feeling back spasms. Not many players hit that guy and make him even flinch.

  34. rickithebear says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    “I’m just going to list the forwards and blue in order of importance”

    Jeff Petry
    Justin Schultz
    Andrew Ference
    Anton Belov
    Ladislav Smid
    Denis Grebeshkov
    Nick Schultz
    Taylor Fedun

    I seem to recall someone saying Belov was going to be in the top 4 pretty quick!

    Our D listed in performance. 13-14
    Grebs 1gm +2
    N. Schultz 8gm even
    Fedun 0gm even
    Petry 9gm -1
    Smid 9gm -1
    Ference 9gm -2
    Belov 9gn -2
    ——————————————
    J. schultz 9gm -8

    Our D 12-13
    Potter 33 gm +8
    Fistric 25gm +6
    petry 48gm +1
    Smid 48gm -1
    ————————————–
    Whitney 34gm -7
    N. schultz 48 gm -13
    j. schultz 48gm -17

    Yup! last two years.
    Schultz is the problem!
    Schultz should be moved
    or at leat HS.
    Justin that is.

    and not having the best GA dpair in the game last year
    is a problem also.

  35. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    GriffCity:
    Hall out for a month definitely sucks but could be worse. We should have Gags back soon and hopefully guys like Yak can pick up their games. Heres a question: What is the deal with Jesse Joensuu? This guy really makes me angry, hes supposed to be a power forward and had shown well in his 1 1/2 games played but how does a guy like tht get injured so easily? There wasnt even a play where I could have imagined him getting injured. Hes been out 2 weeks with back spasms, like are you kidding me? You are supposed to be a professional athlete in top physical condition, instead hes a band-aid. This is the exact reason the Islanders dumped him in the first place, his constant injuries. I mean you cant blame a guy for breaking his hand or foot, or busting up his knee or his jaw but Joensuu has phantom injuries that were never caused by one specific action. In NYI it was hernia problems, now in EDM is back problems, and after only 1 game! Until he proves he can handle more than a couple games in a row without pulling up lame, I dont like this sissy

    Quoted for posterity.

    You sound like a very aggressive worker’s comp. investigator that refuses to believe “soft tissue” injuries exist.

    I hope for your sake you never experience back problems or need a hernia operation. These aren’t the kind of things you can “Old Man Kevin Lowe” yourself out of.

  36. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    rickithebear: Our D listed in performance. 13-14
    I get that this is your hobby horse. Not corsi, but plus/minus; not shots but GF/GA.

    I fail to see you winning anyone over to this argument, especially when presented as an all or nothing gambit.

    Have you considered offer a more comprehensive assessment/analysis?

  37. GriffCity says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Haha I like the workers comp. reference but the truth is obviously soft tissue injuries exist however they are usually caused by something. In Joesnuu’s case however it came from nothing that I saw that should cause a professional athlete to miss this much work. What is Joensuu, the unluckiest guy in pro sports? No, i dont think so, I think he is a perpetual band-aid who will never play more than 25 games in a season. Just as the New York Islanders who got sick of dealing with him. I just don’t understand how he is going to play a power forward roll if he is constantly out of the line up with these type of injuries. His situation in NYI with the hernia’s I cant say im all that familiar with, but i do know sports henria’s so perhaps it was as it sounds in that case, but this back injury thing now should be just about done right? I just have a feeling with this guy that he is going to be oft injured this season…Mark my words

  38. rickithebear says:

    MrEd: Hemsky. With his nice start I’m beginning to wonder about his value.

    there have been 654 players play this year.
    Hemsky 9GM -9 #652/654
    J. schultz 9 gm -8 #649/654
    RNH 7gm -6 #639/654
    Hall 9gm -6 #639/654
    Gordon 9gm -4 #573/654
    Smyth 8 gm -4 #573/654
    Perron 9gm -3 #523/654
    Yup!
    Great start! Hemsky!

  39. Vaclav says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I believe DEL is as simple as deleted from the AHL roster.

  40. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    GriffCity:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Haha I like the workers comp. reference but the truth is obviously soft tissue injuries exist however they are usually caused by something. In Joesnuu’s case however it came from nothing that I saw that should cause a professional athlete to miss this much work. What is Joensuu, the unluckiest guy in pro sports? No, i dont think so, I think he is a perpetual band-aid who will never play more than 25 games in a season. Just as the New York Islanders who gotsick of dealing with him.I just don’t understand how he is going to play a power forward roll if he is constantly out of the line up with these type of injuries. His situation in NYI with the hernia’s I cant say im all that familiar with, but i do know sports henria’s so perhaps it was as it sounds in that case, but this back injury thing now should be just about done right? I just have a feeling with this guy that he is going to be oft injured this season…Mark my words

    It could be a case of Whitney, where the team didn’t do due diligence to make sure that back was right (hernias and back problems often go hand-in-hand), of course, if (big if, I fully expect him to recover) he’s done the cost is much lower than in Whitney’s case.

    But, it’s worth nothing, it simply isn’t the case that he’s an injury plagued player:

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=81592

    He’s never had trouble staying in the lineup. In fact last year he was fine during the lockout and only suffered his injury at the Isles’ TC (IIRC).

    It looks like he’s had one shitty injury in his career. That’s hardly an indictment against him. This one could be a lingering effect, or unrelated.

    I also wouldn’t be too concerned about looking for some obvious “cause” of injury. Lots of harmless looking things lead to serious injury just as lots of vicious looking things lead to nothing.

  41. justDOit says:

    GriffCity,

    Because if the TV cameras didn’t capture it, it didn’t happen – right? And therefore, he’s a soft, oft-injured player – no, wait – Euro?

    And no other player in the history of the league has dealt with injury problems, and then left them behind to have a good career.

    Fine. I’m marking your words down now. As long as my wife doesn’t throw away this Sask Roughriders notepad, you’re golden.

  42. Doomoil says:

    Is Ryan Rishaug turning in to Mark Spector or am I going crazy.

    “The Oilers are easier to play against today then they were yesterday.” Said someone who had apparently never watched a Mike Brown shift.

  43. delooper says:

    I remember one night, I was playing in the city league in Ithaca NY. We were playing against a really dirty team — the team was largely made-up of prison guards from Elmira. The team had some good players on it, for an upstate NY hockey team. Some of their guys had played US college hockey, the Finnish Elite league, etc. And they were prison guards so they really knew how to be mean. Games typically ended with a lot of bruises, some burst blood vessels.

    There was this one guy on the opposition team who we couldn’t stop. The referees knew we couldn’t stop him and I could see they were taking some pity on us. I was playing left D, and he was right wing. So the next time he tried to go wide on me, I dropped my stick and just put him in a bear hug. I could skate with this guy, I just didn’t know how to stop him!

    I dug my blades into the ice and he kept on coming. He didn’t score, but he got a shot off on the net. He laughed at my tactics. Somewhere between the blue line and the net I could feel a few of those spongy things between my vertebra bulge out, and pinch some of the nerves in my back.

    We lost, and my back took about a week to recover.

    That said, I can only imagine the kinds of things guys like JJ have to live through.

  44. delooper says:

    Doomoil:
    Is Ryan Rishaug turning in to Mark Spector or am I going crazy.

    “The Oilers are easier to play against today then they were yesterday.” Said someone who had apparently never watched a Mike Brown shift.

    That’s sort of a vacuous truth. Nobody was allowed to play the Oilers yesterday… so playing them would have been very difficult indeed!

  45. GriffCity says:

    justDOit,

    At least it’s not an Eskimo notepad or you would most certainly have to search the basement for it since anything Eskimos tends to head directly there. Well, after looking at his hockey db stats (thanks Romulus) maybe im wrong and he’s just having a string of bad luck. This is one where I wouldn’t mind being wrong. If he can get back in the line up, be productive, and stay healthy, I will eat my words. I just don’t have a good feeling about it, that’s all.

    Side note: Is anyone curious as to why they didn’t give Omark a look with these call ups? We all know he blew chunks in camp and pre season but he is OKC’s leading point getter and ive heard he’s been playing well. Im not entirely sold on Pitlick just yet, but he is young. I’d give Jones another chance tonight to play a good game but if he craps himself on the third line, you have to try out Omark…Don’t you?

  46. jake70 says:

    Lol, almost bumped into Eakins walking by himself on St. Catherines St. just a bit ago……good thing I had my head up, he might have Stevens’d me with an open-sidewalk hit. Wanted to ask him about the 4th line but he didn’t look in the mood to chat…lol.

    So, looks like another season in the MASH unit for this team….man does it ever end.

  47. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Doomoil:
    Is Ryan Rishaug turning in to Mark Spector or am I going crazy.

    “The Oilers are easier to play against today then they were yesterday.” Said someone who had apparently never watched a Mike Brown shift.

    This isn’t new for Rishaug. His intermittent analysis is full of ‘old school wisdom’ like this. He’s got the same problem Spector, Matty, Gregor, etc. all have… all reporters, or ex-reporters that trade in a lot of unsupported platitudes when they wander into analysis.

    IIRC, all of them hailed the Smac, Eager, Hordi, Brown, Smac again, Gazdic moves. They love these guys.

  48. commonfan14 says:

    Against all reason, I say 2 points for Pitlick tonight.

    An ugly goal and a nicer-than-you’d-expect assist.

  49. Colonel Obvious says:

    Doomoil:
    Is Ryan Rishaug turning in to Mark Spector or am I going crazy.

    “The Oilers are easier to play against today then they were yesterday.” Said someone who had apparently never watched a Mike Brown shift.

    Rishaug is Spector with nice hair. They both drink from the same well of folk wisdom.

  50. Colonel Obvious says:

    I think I might owe Romulus a coke.

  51. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Colonel Obvious: Rishaug is Spector with nice hair.They both drink from the same well of folk wisdom.

    Rishaug at least still works the beat of a reporter and isn’t generally paid for his commentary.

    I’ll take a cherry coke. They are funnier.

  52. justDOit says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    And Cherry cokes are better dressed too.

  53. denny33 says:

    russ99,

    All these guys have to do is stay within range of the 8th playoff spot until the Olympic break. Then we’ll have a chance. Season is far from done.

    ***********************************************************

    Right now, if we look way, way way up…..we see the rebuilding Calgary Flames . They have double the points we do and they have played one less game.

    As for Colorado, their rebuild looks like it is proceeding quicker than the half decade one we are on…..

    Dead last in the West – that was with Taylor Hall.

    Without Taylor Hall, just to get out of the basement – let alone come close to the wild card playoff spot – will be a miracle.

    I believe Danny Briere, Max Pacieoretty and Brandon Prust are all out for the habs….

    No word if we get to see their backup goalie again…..

  54. Jordan says:

    Lowetide,

    Why are you teaching Connor to hate Smid, LT?

    Why must you spread your hate LT?

  55. russ99 says:

    Vaclav:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I believe DEL is as simple as deleted from the AHL roster.

    Deutsche Eishockey Liga?

  56. Hammers says:

    If Pitlick can do well and Joensuu comes back that may just make a decent 3rd line if not this year then next . Size on the wing , grit and a savvy center . That leaves us with 8 potential top 6 players in RNH, Hall, Ebs, Yak, Gags , Perron , Hemsky & Arcobello . With the injuries this team gets we may need to keep all 8 but my guess is one of them will be traded . You could put Arco on 4th ( better than Acton in F/O & points ) with Smyth & Jones/Gladzic ( at least this year as all 3 are probably gone next year). . A good 4th line center who can move up and who deserves to stay in the NHL .

  57. denny33 says:

    rickithebear,

    there have been 654 players play this year.
    Hemsky 9GM -9 #652/654
    J. schultz 9 gm -8 #649/654
    RNH 7gm -6 #639/654
    Hall 9gm -6 #639/654
    Gordon 9gm -4 #573/654
    Smyth 8 gm -4 #573/654
    Perron 9gm -3 #523/654
    Yup!
    Great start! Hemsky!

    ******************************************************

    Yeah, but in fairness to those numbers from Hemsky, and RNH look at our 4th line….

    Now with Mike Brown gone….you just watch…..teams are not going to be able light up our forwards like Christmas trees in New York City…..

  58. ConnorHalley says:

    Jordan,

    He made me burn my old Smid Jersey :(

  59. rickithebear says:

    Romolus:
    getting more goals than you give wins you games.

    +/- is reflective of even play and -ve play on the pp.
    justin schultz gets lit -up.

    my analysis is done at home.
    I look at lots of video.
    every available stats site.
    Looking at stats.hockeyanalysis. looking at players play with each other.
    whether players are better with a guy or worse.
    GF and GAnot as a % but GD/60
    Perron, Eager players most have ther ebest results with them.

    I have the simple understanding.
    GF is largely Defensive transition (evasists from d) and offensive production from forwards.
    Goal producers are best,
    Ga is largely shots faced 60%GA (defence) and save% 40%GA (goalies)

    That a player should be measured by averages based on who they play with and against.
    forward teamates dictate GF and Comp and defence dictate GA.

    Anyone who has played an elite level. there is a fine line between good and great.
    At times player who should be great together are not.
    that is a simple determination and you avoid those combos.
    So players ar called great and results say that is not the case.

    Last year potter and Fistric were highly effective. independent of corsi what stood out was the simple science of shot location for that pair.
    they were horse shoe Dpair.
    no one went to the box.
    they let the opponents have the perimeter.
    there results were as simple as that.

    our system this year:
    Is silly bullshit.
    do you prevent 14 shots at 5% along the boards. to yeild open space play that give up 5-6 30% to 66% shots.
    prevent 70% cummulitive goal chance from 14 shots to give up 250% cumulative goalchance from 5-6 box shots. 350% higher scoring chance.
    Stupid F.. system.

  60. Lowetide says:

    ConnorHalley:
    Jordan,

    He made me burn my old Smid Jersey :(

    It was cold!

  61. Colonel Obvious says:

    Parkatti has a post up on shot distances. It’s interesting with lots of potentially fruitful information though too early for definite conclusions.

    One thing that popped out is that if you recalculate Fenwick to only include shots from within 25 feet. The results are fascinating for those who have bought the whole “the system” allows more high quality shots.

    I’ll just quote Parkatti:

    “I’ve created a percentage metric for this “shot attempts within 25 feet” thing to compare to traditional Fenwick (which includes all distances, obviously). For most players they are pretty close to one another, but there are notable increases for players like Ryan Smyth, Boyd Gordon, Justin Schultz, and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins when looking at the <25-feet percentage. The only Oiler who actually declines when looking at close shot attempts is David Perron, meaning the team as a whole has been better at the close-shot game than the overall-shot game."

    So since shot quality increases as shot length decrease what this shows is that the Oilers are actually doing better by a "shot quality" Fenwick than ordinary Fenwick.

  62. rickithebear says:

    denny33:
    rickithebear,

    there have been 654 players play this year.
    Hemsky 9GM -9 #652/654
    J. schultz 9 gm -8 #649/654
    RNH 7gm -6 #639/654
    Hall 9gm -6 #639/654
    Gordon 9gm -4 #573/654
    Smyth 8 gm -4 #573/654
    Perron 9gm -3 #523/654
    Yup!
    Great start! Hemsky!

    ******************************************************

    Yeah, but in fairness to those numbers from Hemsky, and RNH look at our 4th line….

    Now with Mike Brown gone….you just watch…..teams are not going to be able light up our forwards like Christmas trees in New York City…..

    No as i stated, we run a system that protects 4th line forwards in the nhl and allows slower thinking top 9 in the AHL to be rewarded.

    the system torches the top 9 lines who face a higher standard of player than 4th nhl and top 9 AHL.
    Simple puck movement and quicker player thinking creates open space in the box.

    we were winning the corsi gaem by preventing 10-14 5% shots but giving up 5-6 30 to 66% shots in the box.

    We were winning the Corsi battle and losing the Goal diferential war.
    the math does not justify the system.

    Give me 4th line player who outscore the other teams 4th line and produces goals and have a history of making the other players better.

    this system was the perfect visual display of the value of corsi versus goal differential.

  63. Colonel Obvious says:

    rickithebear: Our system this year Is silly bullshit.
    do you prevent 14 shots at 5% along the boards. to yeild open space play that give up 5-6 30% to 66% shots.
    prevent 70% cummulitive goal chance from 14 shots to give up 250% cumulative goalchance from 5-6 box shots. 350% higher scoring chance.
    Stupid F.. system.

    So this is basically completely wrong. The actual data shows that the Oilers are not giving up more shots in close. But keep hammering that hobby horse.

    By the way, no one denies that shot quality exists (I hope that no one denies it anyway). What they deny is that shot quality can be seen in goals allowed data. And the reason for this is simple. The variation in shot quality is swamped by the variation of other factors. This is an elementary point from which all further discussion must proceed.

    In this case, results based analysis is guaranteed to be wrong, especially for defensemen since they have comparatively little influence on whether shots go into the net or not.

    Conversely, it is pretty useful, though not complete, for forwards since they at least control the shots they make.

  64. Colonel Obvious says:

    rickithebear,

    See my previous post. As an empirical matter the data says the opposite of what you are saying.

  65. OilClog says:

    Eager, I liked him in the preseason. I know I know that goes against everyone and their cats. Yet! What I saw from Eager was pretty much the only Oiler that actually knew what it meant to finish his checks. Brown had 25hits? Where? When? Zero made a difference. And that’s not because hitting isn’t part of the game, it’s because the entire roster doesn’t know how to finish a damn hit. Well Smid does, but apparently burning Smid jerseys in the cold makes more sense then the Flames around here too!

    In the preseason Eager easily outplayed most out bottom 6, publicly stated he’s going to run other teams stars. We send him away, bitch and moan about our guys going down. On our bottom 6 who can take a pass and rifle a slapper coming out of the box and score? Ever? Eager can.. Then.. I know, his defensive play is garbage. Well, our whole team is garbage at pretty much everything as it stands. Eager should of been on this roster from day 1.

  66. commonfan14 says:

    denny33: As for Colorado, their rebuild looks like it is proceeding quicker than the half decade one we are on…..

    You mean the Colorado team that finished last in the West a year before the Oilers did and have been in the lottery twice more since then, with a single one-and-done playoff appearance thrown in?

    It’s also interesting that nobody has been taking the Avs to task for the way they’re rushing Nathan MacKinnon, after already rushing Duchene and Landeskog. Is that an Oilers-only criticism?

  67. Racki says:

    Eager is a whole lot of hot air and no action. Sending him down was right thing to do. That said, hopefully he comes prepared to work his bag off. He lacks the physical edge he once had but has the toolkit to be a useful player.

  68. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Interesting behind the scenes look:

    http://deadspin.com/this-will-be-the-most-interesting-baseball-video-you-wa-1412202695

    LT, maybe ask Lansky about this.

  69. rickithebear says:

    Colonel Obvious: n this case, results based analysis is guaranteed to be wrong, especially for defensemen since they have comparatively little influence on whether shots go into the net or not.

    when you look at the deviation from mean fro Shoats against and Save % .
    Goals against is 60% shot count and 40% save%.
    But location of shot is critical.

  70. Colonel Obvious says:

    rickithebear,

    And Parkatti has the shot distance data. And what that data says is that the Oilers are taking a greater percentage of their shots close to the net in comparison to their opponents (relatively).

  71. rickithebear says:

    Colonel Obvious: Parkatti has a post up on shot distances. It’s interesting with lots of potentially fruitful information though too early for definite conclusions.

    Alan ryders from page 1 to 8.5 says it all. the cuves from 2004 are gold.
    The shot curve effectiveness says what should be used by location.

    http://hockeyanalytics.com/Research_files/Shot_Quality.pdf

    Ken fine tunes the

    https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://hockeyanalytics.com/Research_files/SQ-RS0910-Krzywicki.pdf&hl&chrome=true

  72. FPB94 says:

    Its a recurrent theme here that :

    -The Oilers get lit up by other teams
    -We need another tough guy
    -Tough guy is useless
    -The Oilers get lit up by other teams

    Rinse and repeat.

    Well Montreals fanbase likes to share the same dillusional paranoia, so maybe tonight well see a fight between Travis “I look dead” Moen and Luke “-76 in Junior” Gazdic, both running the other teams show simultaneously.

    PS: Ive had 2 exams in the morning on both MTL-EDM games. God is cruel.

  73. stevezie says:

    RexLibris: imminent return of Gagner (likely to the wing

    You think Gagner is coming back to play the wing? Why? Arcobello has more experience playing wing than Sam, indeed many sites still list him as a winger.

    If the consensus is Gagner is the better player and the other consensus is centre is the more important position doesn’t it make more sense to return Gagner to wing and shift Arco?

    Is it because of faceoffs? You like his sustainable shooting percentage?

    Personally, I think that when Gagner gets back Arco is getting traded. He’s performed better than anyone ever dreamed, and between that and his contract he has given us a chance to sell high. Even if he is the real deal, his skills are highly duplicated- which CO will correctly point out is not a bad thing- but if we could gets winger who can grind and/or penalty kill that could be a good thing.

    CO, I don’t believe balance is so important that it makes sense to trade down to get it (23 Gagners dominate the league). I do believe it is important enough to trade laterally for it. Philly is up against the cap and terrible. Maybe they’d be interested in moving Simmons for a ppg guy who wins draws and penalty kills while making the league minimum. That guy has value. Can he get turned into the Daniel Winnik LT craves?

    Arco has made me a fan, but if a scoring forward is getting moved he makes a lot of sense as the guy.

  74. Colonel Obvious says:

    I wouldn’t necessarily object to trading Arcobello. The problem is that I don’t think Arcobello gets you anything you want.

  75. FPB94 says:

    Colonel Obvious,

    I dont think Arcobello gets you better than Arcobello.

  76. fuzzy muppet says:

    Colonel Obvious,

    I liken Arcobello to Conacher value wise (likely a bit lower as he’s older). Conacher fetched Ben Bishop…

  77. Racki says:

    stevezie,

    I’m with you on selling Arco high because right now his value might be unrealistically high like Matt Read or Cory Conacher in first year. But if he stays here, I’d continue with what works.. Arco at C. Gagner hasn’t really proven to be a reliable two way C. He has played enough wing that there is no transition either. Should be fine. But ya, I’d move Arco if there are enough healthy bodies. I’m pretty sure he could have landed bishop last year, with a pick added on what we give (Oil offered 2nd plus Jones but I’m not so sure they’d need a 2nd with Arco). Just an example of what Arco could possibly land the team in a deal.

  78. Colonel Obvious says:

    BrianWilde ‏@BWildeCTV 3m

    Yakupov possibly on block puts Habs in mix with top rated G in draft Fucale, D depth, add 2nd rnder, roster guy & Galchenyuk gets his buddy.

    Good lord that’s awful. Why are the media so stupid?

  79. FPB94 says:

    Colonel Obvious,

    Hahahha. Good lord. Thats so lopsided. Jesus. I have cramps, and these guys are serious, and they can keep their jobs. Hahhaha. God.

  80. stevezie says:

    FPB94,

    Probably not a lot right now, but with his ice time and linemates I have no problem seeing him hit the quarter season pole at a 60 point pace, and the half way mark still on pace for a good 50. Conacher is not a bad comparable. If we combine him with a young D I think we could get something real.

  81. justDOit says:

    Colonel Obvious:
    BrianWilde ‏@BWildeCTV 3m

    …Why are the media so stupid?

    Because they put the ‘ass’ in mass appeal!

  82. Bar_Qu says:

    I really see the Pitlick thing as an extension of MacT as coach thing.

    Have a good camp as a youngster, go down to the AHL and demonstrate a commitment to continue that type of play. Get recalled and have a chance to demonstrate that type of play in the NHL in limited minutes. IF you continue that over a sustained period of time (no small sample sizes please) then earn bigger minutes and move your way up the line-up. OR alternatively, bounce between AHL and 4-Line for the remainder of the season, as the need fits.

    It worked for Horcoff and Pisani. It could work for Pitlick too. Hopefully the kid runs with it and helps make the 4th line relevant to Oiler wins.

  83. Racki says:

    Dead Cat Bounce:
    In pursuit of the Holy Grail:

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/introducing-the-shot-quality-project/

    This strikes me as an intense amount of work to prove something that should make a lot of sense, but given there isn’t enough buy in on “shot quality” I suppose it makes sense. Anyways, interesting cliffhanger to end the article.. I’m anxious to read what he’s found out

  84. Bar_Qu says:

    This is kind of cool

    Anton Lander is the first #Oilers drafted player named captain of #OKCBarons. Also the youngest at age 22, previous 3 are now over 30.— Chris Wescott (@TheChrisWescott) October 22, 2013

  85. lance says:

    Shot quality. I’ve been going on about this for two years.

    First, I must repeat that a large collection of incomplete data is still incomplete data. No amount of incomplete data points can make incomplete data become good.

    Nice to see an author attempt at shot velocity, a clearly critical component to shot quality, but as he says, until the velocity of the goalie’s movement at the time of the shot is included, it still means little. While someone is trying to use currently available stats, there is zero chance at a real measurement. Because the data is incomplete. And it cannot be anything but incomplete.

    Can anyone get any footage of any game that DOESN’T include the constantly changing camera angles? I’ve emailed a dozen teams asking for even ten minutes of footage from any game, between any two teams, for any amount of time, specifically footage shot from under the scoreboard, above centre ice. To no avail. Only Phoenix even bothered to write back. When we can parge video from a constant angle, we can begin to create good data. With a constant angle we can superimpose on an x,y grid, measure player’s trajectory, rate of change, shot velocity, shot trajectory, then relate that to a goalie’s trajectory (if moving) and then, and only then, we can BEGIN to measure shot quality.

    Any attempt at measuring shot quality with the currently available information is going to be incomplete, regardless of the number of data points involved because the available information doesn’t include sufficient information. its like trying to measure the caloric content of a sample without knowing the adiabatic pressure. Have all the samples you like, there is no possibility for a legitimate result.

    We need access to game film that doesn’t involve changing camera angles so that we can measure trajectory first. Not subjective chances for/against, but real discernible measure of velocity and trajectory, then rate of change of each. And its not likely coming from tapes where the cameras change every couple seconds, nor is it possibly coming from the data currently offered. Because it is fundamentally impossible to know the energy content of a mars bar if you don’t know the amount of nitrogen in the container at the time of combustion.

  86. barry.moore23 says:

    LT, I’m no expert but I watch a lot of games on Center Ice down here in the US and i rarely see teams that are lacking like the Oil. I’ll always keep the faith, but damn …… My dad would say I have an uncanny knack od grasping the obvious. :)

  87. Hawaiian Shirt says:

    Longtime lurker and maybe one time poster…thought it was time to get back on the horse! Ill have the kabob! (Kids in the Hall, anyone?)

    I hope the Oilers can go on a big run and get some points. It is so frustrating watching this team last few years. The arrogance from the top is sickening, and the boss (owner) is a fanboy of the old regime that’s currently running this team into the ground or to the lottery podium continuously. I hope there’s light at the end of this tunnel!

    Prediction 4 – 3 oliers

  88. G Money says:

    Racki: Anyways, interesting cliffhanger to end the article.. I’m anxious to read what he’s found out

    It’ll be interesting, but even reading the article gives a clear sense of just how difficult it is to get useful data, and even as rigorous as this Boyle fellow is trying to be, I can already see dozens of holes that would make any conclusions questionable.

    lance: Can anyone get any footage of any game that DOESN’T include the constantly changing camera angles? I’ve emailed a dozen teams asking for even ten minutes of footage from any game, between any two teams, for any amount of time, specifically footage shot from under the scoreboard, above centre ice.

    Given the Oiler/MacT newfound interest in fancy stats, perhaps they might be amenable to setting something up to give you that data? Cheap way to build a dataset nobody else would have. I imagine if you had a seasons worth of that footage, you could then correlate that to the lower quality of NHL-wide data and come up with some supportable equivalencies.

  89. stevezie says:

    Bar_Qu,

    Does it mean they plan on him being there for awhile?

  90. spoiler says:

    The Canadian Press report on Hall being out for 4 weeks still does not include the knee on knee hit:

    Hall, the first overall pick in the 2010 NHL Entry Draft, has three goals and five assists in nine games this season. He was hurt on an innocent-looking play in Edmonton’s 3-1 win at Ottawa.

    Hall was just inside the Senators’ blue-line when he turned and hobbled to the bench. He left following the game with his knee in a brace but without the use of crutches.

    Link:
    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=434740

    Like it never happened to anyone who didn’t see the actual game.

  91. denny33 says:

    commonfan14,

    You mean the Colorado team that finished last in the West a year before the Oilers did and have been in the lottery twice more since then, with a single one-and-done playoff appearance thrown in?

    *************************************************************************

    Yep, that is the one…..how do we compare?

  92. denny33 says:

    FPB94,

    Yak Report Winnipeg:

    Winnipeg called to inquire about Yak – price tag was alleged to be young star d-man…

  93. Vaclav says:

    Why has Olivier Roy only started 1 of 7 games for the Barons this season (where he gave up 2 goals and had a .933 sv %age). I thought the focus on the AHL squad was going to be to develop the prospects.

    And the Oilers need to see what it would take to pry Frederik Andersen out of the Ducks organization with John Gibson on the way. He would instantly become their best goaltending prospect and should be ready for NHL employment soon.

  94. lance says:

    G Money:

    Given the Oiler/MacT newfound interest in fancy stats, perhaps they might be amenable to setting something up to give you that data?Cheap way to build a dataset nobody else would have.I imagine if you had a seasons worth of that footage, you could then correlate that to the lower quality of NHL-wide data and come up with some supportable equivalencies.

    Dear Oilers,

    I WILL WORK FOR FREE. I will even pay for the footage. Any game, any teams, from any arena. But please just the camera angle from centre ice, not the edited stuff from CBC. One angle. raw. I can deal with any file type and already own the video editing software. I already have an ftp site and you upload to me. it won’t even cost you bandwidth.

    Terms and conditions:

    I will freely give you all information regarding your employee’s rate of change, min, max, statistical averages, bell curves, whatever. I will make any data I find available to everyone who will listen. I will try to measure average shot velocity, max shot velocity, goalie’s rate of change, and from that, postulate a prospective surface area of Ricki’s 1-7 hole both at time of release and arrival, measure the rate of change of the 7 shooting areas and be able to build a yardstick regarding a player’s decisions making based on probability through a measure a goalie’s reaction time, and at the same time realize individual goalie’s ability to close the gaps both as a function of side to side velocity and compare it to their ability to adjust to shots when planted compared to moving.

    Further, with multiple games we would be able to measure different goalie’s ability to adjust, rink effects, ice effects, player’s ability to deal with fatigue (based on rate of change of velocity and rate of change of velocity (acceleration)) and about a million other things that I haven’t thought of yet.

    Further, if LT would allow, we could employ a currently undeveloped element of this website to approach this project together in the open source linux model as a community of people which would be handy because probably anyone posting under the name “delooper” is better at calculus than me.

    lance at ramsayphotography dot com

    please don’t spam me.

    Thank you.

  95. stevezie says:

    denny33,

    Actually Trouba would get the conversation started for me.

  96. Gi JQE says:

    Reading the post over on ON I can see a yak trade being positive for the oil. But it needs to be the Lindros for Forsberg type and not the wendel Clark…. A legit goalie prospect, proven defender, and first rounder ? And these kinds of trades are pretty rare in October and November I believe?

  97. melancholyculkin says:

    lance,

    Eventually (if one hasn’t already) an NHL team is going to catch on with what is happening in the NBA. If I was the Leafs I’d be taking advantage of the cameras the Raptors installed to track every movement of the puck.

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9068903/the-toronto-raptors-sportvu-cameras-nba-analytical-revolution

    If this type of data is ever made public for hockey, then Corsi will be a dinosaur.

  98. Bar_Qu says:

    stevezie:
    Bar_Qu,

    Does it mean they plan on him being there for awhile?

    I don’t know about that, but it certainly indicates the degree to which he provides leadership and consistent play. I would consider this an up arrow.

  99. jamang says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    if he had a hernia (not a herniated disc, 2 completely different things) they would not be related.
    sports induced hernia is caused from an intestine or something in your body pushing through the stomach wall.. has nothing to do with your back. now if he had a herniated disc id say he should probably call it a career or take serious time off and/or get surgery. ive had both hernias and herniated discs. spezza just ce off a herniated disc surgery. you have to be very careful. I hope hes alright.

    they still haven specified wht he did to his back.

  100. RexLibris says:

    I’d argued back at ON a few years ago that in building the new arena it might be a good idea for the Oilers to install overhead, bird’s-eye cameras to catch information like shot-quality as well as assist in scouting (both pro and amateur if the Oil Kings or Team Canada occupy the building).

    Given how inexpensive it is now with digital cameras and wireless transmission, it seems like such a logical step to give oneself a tremendous home-ice advantage.

  101. 106 and 106 says:

    There’s goes Hall’s Olympic Bid….

    I know you gave him a post, but where’s the Sail On, Moustachioed Man?

  102. Colonel Obvious says:

    So out of curiosity I looked up Travis Moen’s career numbers. How the hell has this guy had a ten year career? Not only that but somebody signed him to a four year deal.

    A career high 11 goals and 21 points seven years ago. He’s never been a + player. Abysmal junior and AHL player. Isn’t noted as a fighter.

    What does he do that 1000 other guys can’t do better? Even Brandon Prust, who is pretty marginal, has better numbers in every way than Moen at every stage of his career.

    Whatever the NHL is, it isn’t a meritocracy.

  103. Hawaiian Shirt says:

    106 and 106:
    There’s goes Hall’s Olympic Bid….

    I know you gave him a post, but where’s the Sail On, Moustachioed Man?

    Just terrible! I hope he can stay healthy and that this won’t be an ongoing problem.

  104. HugThePost says:

    It’s hard to believe this is only game 10. It already has that feel of being in February with the team crippled with injured, other teams looking at us as ‘guaranteed win night’, and the fans looking forward to draft day.

  105. TartanArmy says:

    “It can be anything, you know? They play a little bit like a junior team, I think, sometimes,” said Eller, tied for the scoring lead among Habs forwards along with linemate Alex Galchenyuk with seven points in seven games.

    “They take a lot risks, a lot of chances. They’re a little all over the place. There’s not a lot of structure always in their game. It can really be anything. You don’t know.” – Lars Eller

    So, Lars Eller compares us to a junior team…..better keep your head up tonight buddy.

  106. PaperDesigner says:

    I’m surprised people are still talking about Yakupov rumours. I think it’s way too early for the blockbuster, franchise defining trade, which I don’t think will come until the off-season, at earliest. Yakupov is not going to get dealt, and he is not going to get dealt on the strength of a handful of games in which the puck fails to go in for him.

    Besides, I’m in the process of emotionally detaching myself from Jordan Eberle for his departure, which makes a heck of a lot more sense, since he is both A) not the same level of player as the three lottery picks and B) has a much more established value around the league.

  107. Captain Smarmy says:

    Colonel Obvious:
    So out of curiosity I looked up Travis Moen’s career numbers.How the hell has this guy had a ten year career? Not only that but somebody signed him to a four year deal.

    He’s a Burke Certified Saskatchewan farm boy. Hockey eats that shit up.

    Same way there would be no rumours about Yakupov if he was born in fucking Kingston.

  108. dangilitis says:

    Where is Brown? There is Brown! Mr. Brown is out of town!

    (little Dr. Seuss reference for y’all)

  109. stephen sheps says:

    Captain Smarmy,

    Why do you have to knock Kingston? Oh…right…never mind…

    This constant injury battle the Oilers seem to perpetually find themselves in is becoming something of a comedy, but in the greek sense of the word. Like Aristotle used to describe comedic situations, the Oilers are ‘a representation of laughable people and involves some kind of blunder or ugliness which does not cause pain or disaster’. Though I suppose it is debatable as to whether or not pain or disaster has been caused by this blunder, but certainly the Oilers, and to some extent, we as fans of this franchise have become laughable people.

  110. justDOit says:

    TartanArmy:

    So, Lars Eller compares us to a junior team…..better keep your head up tonight buddy.

    I’m sure he’ll have his head up when he’s in the slot, puck on stick…

  111. Zelepukin says:

    106 and 106:
    There’s goes Hall’s Olympic Bid….

    We’re definitely going to have some Centres playing the left wing, like Eric Staal. Ebs I think still makes it if he continues on this trajectory of being very reliable and complementary to anyone he plays with, while hopefully staying healthy. You also have to consider that a few Sharks make it if they keep up their success.

    I’d be surprised if guys like Nash and Giroux make it over Matt Duchene or Skinner.

  112. GordM says:

    Doesn’t Lars Eller know Kevin Lowe has won six Stanley Cups?

  113. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    jamang:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    if he had a hernia (not a herniated disc, 2 completely different things) they would not be related.sports induced hernia is caused from an intestine or something in your body pushing through the stomach wall.. has nothing to do with your back. now if he had a herniated disc id say he should probably call it a career or take serious time off and/or get surgery. ive had both hernias and herniated discs. spezza just ce off a herniated disc surgery. you have to be very careful. I hope hes alright.

    they still haven specified wht he did to his back.

    Thanks for the note.

    As I said (twice), it might be related but might not. I’m in no place to know. He did have surgery, but they refer to it as “sport hernia surgery” whatever that means.

  114. justDOit says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Thanks for the note.

    As I said (twice), it might be related but might not. I’m in no place to know. He did have surgery, but they refer to it as “sport hernia surgery” whatever that means.

    I thought I read initially, that he was out with ‘back spasms’, which can be anything from an aggravated disc, to a mineral deficiency (magnesium, mostly).

    I’m not sure if his first few games were just adrenaline induced, or if this guy can really play like that, but it’s what this forward group is missing.

  115. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Is anyone else watching the Leafs-ANA game before the Oil play. I need something confirmed… I’m pretty sure the play by play guy (sportsnet) just made a domestic violence joke about Patrick Roy…

  116. Lowetide says:

    If we’re going to do a Dr. Seuss book, it should be Sam I Am!

  117. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Is anyone else watching the Leafs-ANA game before the Oil play. I need something confirmed… I’m pretty sure the play by play guy (sportsnet) just made a domestic violence joke about Patrick Roy…

    No, I think it was about Bruce Boudreau. He said “Gabby has had 5 fights in his life and lost them all. Four of them WERE domestic.” Not funny, but not about Roy.

  118. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: No, I think it was about Bruce Boudreau. He said “Gabby has had 5 fights in his life and lost them all. Four of them WERE domestic.” Not funny, but not about Roy.

    Ah… got it. I was stuffing pasta down the old munch-box. He said something about the Boudreau-Roy dust up at the beginning of the season and then “fights” and then “domestic” and I suddenly went “yikes!”

  119. Lowetide says:

    Pitlick’s debut tonight. 3+ years after being drafted, which doesn’t sound like a long time but lordy that was a bumpy dirt road.

  120. TartanArmy says:

    Glad Eberle’s in the lineup, there was talk he could sit out. This is a perfect chance for Yakupov to step up and get some first line minutes.

  121. FPB94 says:

    TartanArmy,

    There’s been really nothing to inspire respect to the Oilers in the past 5-6 years.

  122. justDOit says:

    TartanArmy:
    Glad Eberle’s in the lineup, there was talk he could sit out. This is a perfect chance for Yakupov to step up and get some first line minutes.

    Well, I’m not sure how happy I am that he’s playing. Sure it’s great he’s in the lineup, but if this club was healthier overall, would he sit out a game or two to mend properly?

  123. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    C’mon Yak. Snap the drought tonight and make a statement for the doubters. Pitlick….you’ve earned it with sweat and sacrifice. Make it pay……make it pay tonight.

    Go Oil..

  124. TartanArmy says:

    FPB94,

    Agreed, if your not a fan of the team then why would you.

  125. OilBuzz says:

    Yak with a huge giveaway, got lucky there

  126. LMHF#1 says:

    See the way Jones just eased up in the corner? No hit. No effort for the puck. Loses any speed he had. Just terrible.

  127. Lowetide says:

    Pitlick has that 90 foot lob down pretty damn good.

  128. Jon K says:

    A pretty ineffective period of hockey so far. Save for one or two shifts they’ve struggled to put together consecutive passes.

  129. Lucinius says:

    Ugh. That should have been a take one from each team call, imo.

  130. TartanArmy says:

    Not sure how Perron was the only one sent to the box…..

  131. russ99 says:

    Yeah, hit em. Who’s bush league now, Eller?

  132. russ99 says:

    TartanArmy,

    Bogus, Eller got his stick up. Should have been coincidental.

  133. Lowetide says:

    Alex Hemsky playing well according to the pbp

  134. VanOil says:

    Eberle looks like he is fired up and ready to play.

  135. russ99 says:

    Solid kill.

  136. Lucinius says:

    Such a shift by Hemsky that defines his time in Edmonton; a lot of work, good opportunity but no one opens things up and almost refusing to let him set them up.

  137. Lowetide says:

    Pitlick is in fact hitting everything in sight.

  138. russ99 says:

    Is Pitlick the new Reddox? :)

  139. VanOil says:

    Lowetide:
    Pitlick is in fact hitting everything in sight.

    Is he Jones with out the flow and maybe falling down bit?

  140. Lucinius says:

    Also, knowing the Oilers, I’m really surprised Eberle hasn’t gotten a season ending injury while filming these ATB commercials. Seems like a no-brainer for the hockey gods.

  141. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    Pitlick is in fact hitting everything in sight.

    Referees?

  142. TartanArmy says:

    russ99,

    I hope not, where’s Reddox now? :P

  143. justDOit says:

    Tuned in just before the penalty, but missed the play – Perron giving it to Eller? That’s worth a kill.

    Pitlick cruising on adrenaline, and bouncing off of anything in rouge. Doesn’t ever seem in the play though. It’s early – go to the net Tyler!

  144. fuzzy muppet says:

    Eberle with a rough shift

  145. justDOit says:

    Another fancy little pass, inside their own blue line, leads to a grade A chance against.

  146. Lucinius says:

    RNH and Eberle. Jesus. Even icing the puck would have been better than that pathetic display.

  147. RexLibris says:

    that was quick

  148. VanOil says:

    Why was Jones fatigued into taking a penalty he only played half of that horrible shift.

  149. russ99 says:

    Ugh. Just what I was afraid of. Ditch the swarm and we can’t get the puck out.

  150. Jon K says:

    Hemsky, Dubnyk and Gordon the only Oilers who look like NHL players right now. So far Eller has been shown to be accurate in his comments.

  151. OilClog says:

    When the ref threw the puck down.. Did a stick even touch it? Or just bounce right to the Montreal d? Rough

  152. fuzzy muppet says:

    Dubnyk should stop that

  153. Ribs says:

    Swarm-holed into a penalty. Boooo….;)

  154. TartanArmy says:

    :(

  155. Derek says:

    Yakupov has trouble getting it out, then Eberle has trouble getting it out, Gazdic replaces Yakupov for some reason, takes a penalty and the Habs score. Plenty of blame to go around on that shit.

  156. Lucinius says:

    Whelp. No big surprise there. Candians deserved that powerplay goal. RNH and Eberle should be shaking their heads.

  157. LMHF#1 says:

    Eberle didn’t see the ref indicate high stick, then Gazdic with a moronic penalty. Lovely…

  158. justDOit says:

    That’s a solid power play they just executed.

  159. OilClog says:

    Sweet

  160. Lucinius says:

    Pathetic.

  161. Derek says:

    Jesus christ that pass….. Jones with some goat horns now.

  162. Jon K says:

    Nice assist, Jones. This team is an embarassment.

  163. D says:

    Derek:
    Yakupov has trouble getting it out, then Eberle has trouble getting it out, Gazdic replaces Yakupov for some reason, takes a penalty and the Habs score.Plenty of blame to go around on that shit.

    I was just going to ask – why exactly was Yakupov replaced by Gazdic? Great move whoever decided on that one.

  164. TartanArmy says:

    Oh boy…..they’re on their heels now.

  165. fuzzy muppet says:

    TERRIBLE Pass by Jones

    No more ice for him

  166. LMHF#1 says:

    Thanks Ryan Jones!

  167. russ99 says:

    Ugly. Just carry the damn puck out, if you’re going to make blind passes like that.

  168. RexLibris says:

    I’m turning off the DVR now.

  169. Lucinius says:

    Refs.. christ. Now they’ll have to do it all over again. As dumb as the Oilers.

  170. fuzzy muppet says:

    The good news is that is should be abundantly clear that Ryan Jones isn’t an NHL player.

    Omark should be up soon

  171. leadfarmer says:

    Time to Fire Eakins. Not ready for the big leagues. The swarm is the stupidest defense. You protect the side walls and give up the center of the ice. It makes no sense. Its like the reverse of the trap.

  172. OilBuzz says:

    Stupidest rule decision ever

  173. Lowetide says:

    Ryan Jones made a terrible pass there. Oilers look like they’re not really interested in putting their ass into this one.

  174. russ99 says:

    What the heck was that? You can’t take helmets off???

    Dumbest rule ever!

  175. Derek says:

    I’d like to remind everyone, before that Yak, RNH, Eberle shift the shots were 6-5 Montreal. Immediately after the MTL PP they were 13-5 MTL. Thats a huge swing. Yak looked pretty poor trying to get it out before RNH and Eberle attempted it and it was the coachs decision to replace Yak with Gazdic while a tired line was struggling to get it out of their zone.

    Shitty all around.

  176. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Awful all around. Just concede and get home early while the wife is still up.
    This agreeing to take the helmets off before a fight makes fighting even more irrelevant. Cavemen

  177. Lucinius says:

    Well, Oilers had two really, really good chances to score, but can’t bury it.

    Oilers have one horrendous turn over, and then one pathetic sequence of two of their best players simply unable to get the puck out three times in a row.

  178. TartanArmy says:

    Is it over yet?

  179. Masamax says:

    All in all, this game has gotten away from them. Ryan Jones was the goat on that last play, but there have been tons of strange decisions thus far. Why Gadzic was out on that shift indicates an extremely poor series of decisions by the coach.

    Honestly, I know that people talk about how long it takes to settle into systems and all that, but this team has, for too many games this year, looked like it doesn’t give a shit. It has, for too many games this year, been a series of boneheaded plays. it has, for too many games this year, been a series of questionable lineup decisions and line iciing decisions.

    Basically what I’m saying is, I’ve seen Eakins for 10 games thus far, and his systems and decisions aren’t impressing me one bit.

  180. rich says:

    Can we send Ryan Jones to Bakersfield? Forget OKC, they need to send him so far away that no one can find him.

    Ever.

  181. justDOit says:

    Excellent road period for a skilled team. Trick the Habs into thinking they can mail the rest of the game in, and then take it to them for the last 40 minutes and run it up 5 – 2. Right…? AmIright?

  182. FPB94 says:

    In hindsight Liam Reddox was gold. GOLD.

  183. TartanArmy says:

    Montreal 87% in the face-off circle? Shite.

  184. russ99 says:

    Masamax,

    Agree, and the adjusting they’re doing isn’t working.

    Case in point, positional D during the mini-”shift of doom” then right back to the swarm on the PK. Neither worked.

  185. BlacqueJacque says:

    Sorry lads, I’m done.

    Throwing in the towel on my fandom for this franchise. Too much disappointment and shame. I wore my oiler xolours with pride before and during the rebuild, but this season is too much.

    We have a greedy fuck of an owner who hires incompetent friends. We have mocked the hockey gods by tempting fate with three first overall picks. We shit on a coach we just hired. Then we hire an unproven rookie coach to replace him.

    This team is the laughing stock of the league for good reason. Whether it’s the Katz Kurse or Old Boys Omen or just some giant karma conspiracy by the entire universe, being a fan of this team is like tattooing “bitch” on your own forehead in the first day of prison. It’s a self-inflicted badge of shame that will follow you the rest of your life.

    Good luck to you lads.

    I am done.

  186. D says:

    rich:
    Can we send Ryan Jones to Bakersfield?Forget OKC, they need to send him so far away that no one can find him.

    Ever.

    Maybe they should send Eakins to Bakersfield with him?

  187. Lowetide says:

    Grade 2 MCL strain for Taylor Hall. That’s more like 6 weeks, no?

  188. Lowetide says:

    The player I’m most worried about right now is Yakupov. Is head is swimming. Seriously.

  189. justDOit says:

    Four weeks is the minimum for Halls injury? And they’re HOPING he doesn’t need surgery?

  190. Thiru says:

    I’m at the game.

    Two fifth line plays by a couple of 4th liners.

    It’s nice that Eakins is so fond of Gadzic.

    He’ll be able to play the hell out of him next year in the AHL.

  191. Lowetide says:

    SN all over RNH there, what play are they talking about?

  192. russ99 says:

    Lowetide,

    IMO, he’s fine in the offensive zone, it’s the others where there’s a problem.

    I don’t care how hard Eakins tries, you can’t make a headstrong offensive Russian forward into a western Canadian backchecker.

    Too much round and square pegs into square holes so far in the Eakins regime.

    The only Oilers player who looks like his usual self is Hemsky, who has to be ignoring the system on offense.

  193. justDOit says:

    D: Maybe they should send Eakins to Bakersfield with him?

    Pat Roy is doing fine, and I think Cooper in TB is also. This team has sucked for more years than I care to count, and now it’s Eakins’ fault?

    You know what was short-sighted thinking about the most recent coaching change, was that MacT decided he didn’t need RK for at least a year of overlap as associate. Now maybe egos wouldn’t allow for that, but it sure would have been easier for Eakins to have another coach who already knows the players, as he tries to implement new systems.

  194. markasread1199 says:

    I love this team, I really do, but I don’t know if I can do this anymore.

    It’s not me, it’s you.

    When are we going to have beers on the roof?!?!?!?

  195. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    How come Eakins put that fourth line back out again after the goal?

    Is he tempting fate?

    That period started fine. We had some good chances, both teams were feeling each other out… and then a weird penalty on Perron, a brutal shift by RNH and Ebs, Gazdic everywhere and bam! down by 2.

    Some of this is coaching.

  196. justDOit says:

    Lowetide:
    SN all over RNH there, what play are they talking about?

    I saw him make a horrible little ‘fancy pass’, just inside his own blue line, to the back of Eberle’s leg. I know Ebs can almost grab the puck out of the air, but he needs to be able to see it. That led to a great chance against.

  197. Lowetide says:

    There’s a lot of injuries here, folks. That’s not an excuse, there’s problems on the other side too in that department. But the forwards tonight aren’t good, and the 4th line is self inflicted.

  198. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    justDOit: I saw him make a horrible little ‘fancy pass’, just inside his own blue line, to the back of Eberle’s leg. I know Ebs can almost grab the puck out of the air, but he needs to be able to see it. That led to a great chance against.

    They burned him on the early behind the net softie to ference who was tied up. led to beauty scoring chance for the hams.

  199. RMGS says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    being a fan of this team is like tattooing “bitch” on your own forehead in the first day of prison.

    This made me spit out my wine in a burst of laughter. I feel your pain, brother!

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