OILERS AT ISLANDERS, G8 13-14

Based on the latest information, we’re probably looking at Sam Gagner being back in the lineup sometime before the end of the month. The story from Joanne Ireland is here. The story for the Oilers when 89 returns: more depth.

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POSSIBLE LINEUP WHEN 89 RETURNS (C-L-R)

  • RNH-Hall-Eberle
  • Gagner-Perron-Hemsky
  • Gordon-Smyth-Yakupov
  • Acton-Gazdic-Arcobello
  • Smid-Petry
  • Ference-J Schultz
  • Belov-N Schultz
  • Dubnyk, LaBarbera

That’s what I’d do, of course there might be a goalie coming in (Dubnyk, Marincin and next year’s 1st? What does that get you?). I wonder how far away from the playoffs MacT will let this go. My suspicion is not far.

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 It’s kind of a scary moment for the fanbase, because this moment in time is both frustrating (on-ice performance) and alarming (national media saying “there isn’t anything the Edmonton Oilers aren’t at least looking at or considering”). If you’re thinking “fix the goaltending, add a top defender and a physical winger, dammit!” you might get what you’re asking for in one fell swoop!

And then it dawns on you: the price to be paid.

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There are men in life who do, and those who watch. Craig MacTavish is a doer–he was as coach, and he is as a GM–and there’s very little doubt in my mind he’s going to do something to improve this team. Faced with another flushed season–even this early–I’d bet a 2-4 something gets done sooner than later. MacTavish wasn’t happy with the goaltending in the summer, wasn’t happy with the size/skill combination up front–put simply, he didn’t get Schneider and he didn’t get Clarkson.

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I think we’re looking at a trade with Philly–they’re crazy, desperate and have a daredevil approach to trades. They’re also showing up as a trade partner in all kinds of places. Couturier, Coburn, Simmonds–you’re not getting one or more of those names without an outstanding young player heading the other way. There is also talk of Ryan Miller and Tomas Vanek coming to town.

I think the Oilers will get a goalie too, but it’s important to remember all the trade talk goes away with a strong performance or two. If the Oilers get a couple of wins on this road trip, we may see nothing. I think MacT must be convinced the goalie situation needs to be addressed at this point, we’ll find out a lot about the future if Dubnyk plays tonight.

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If the Oilers are looking at bringing in some of these big names, some great talent is heading out of town. RW is the strongest area for the team, with defense and minor league defense being areas of strength. You’d have to think Yakupov or Eberle, Smid or Petry, Klefbom or Marincin and the 1st rd pick next summer are in play (if MacT’s talking at this level).

A strong game tonight and another on Saturday puts this talk to bed, in my opinion. However, there’s enough smoke here to believe Craig MacTavish is willing to deal some of the young cluster in an effort to rejoin the season.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

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10 this morning, TSN1260. We’ll set the scene for the Oilers game and football tonight. Scheduled to appear:

  • Harrison Mooney from the Vancouver Sun, Puck Daddy and Pass it to Bulis. We’ll talk Pacific Division, Canucks so far and what’s happening in Edmonton. 
  • Jesse Reynolds from Revenge of the Birds. We’ll talk about the Thursday nighter from the AZ point of view.
  • Bruce McCurdy from Cult of Hockey. We’ll talk goaltending, possible trades, and the best way to get out of this mess.
  • Paul Almeida from Azorcan Global. We’ll talk WJ’s and soccer trips to Europe.
  • Brad Slater will come on to talk Seahawks.

Text 10-1260 or @Lowetide_ on twitter. This is going to be an interesting 72 hours.

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  1. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I don’t think we can win tonight without that bemused look on Ron Low’s moustachioed face.

  2. Gret99zky says:

    Strong games are not as good as wins.

  3. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    On this Miller?vanek for Yak plus thing, I said in the other thread:

    two things, both obvious.
    1. I’m calling bullshit. No way is that trade close to equitable. A partial year of Vanek and a slightly above average and expensive goaltender are not near worth Yakupov under salary and mgt. constraints for years. Not close. This is bushleague blue skying by other markets.

    2. How in hell is taking on all that cap money in exchange for a player on an ELC supposed to work? Where is the roughly 13M supposed to come from?

  4. cc says:

    I think that Neuvirth is a possibility as a goalie.

    Hockey Tracker ‏@Hockey_tracker 18h
    ESPN reports that #Capitals Michal Neuvirth might be an option for the Edmonton #Oilers
    Adam Vingan ‏@AdamVingan 14h – Washington NBC
    If y’all are playing Armchair GM about Edmonton/Neuvirth, realistically, the first piece I ask for back is Ladislav Smid.
    Ted Starkey ‏@TedStarkey 14h
    Per @TSNBobMcKenzie, the Oilers have inquired about Michal Neuvirth, among others..

    Outside of the salary, would Smid for Neuvirth make sense? There’d need to be other moving parts Smid makes 1 million more and the Caps are up against the er cap.

  5. Hayek says:

    Just wanted to mention Taylor Fedun leading the Barons in SOG with 19 SOG in 4 games. He had an amazing pre-season as well, so wondering with his play if someone like Smid or N Schultz would be in play if someone was willing to take the salary?

    Marincin and Fedun both seem to be able to fill a 3rd pairing role now with little dropoff, and we still have insurance with Grebeshkov and Larsen.

  6. Racki says:

    I’m OK if they move a player like Yakupov if a serious need is properly addressed. Trading him for a goalie rental of course would be idiotic. I don’t see MacT doing that though. My first item on the wishlist is a #1D. Hard to come by though. Oilers also could use some grit in their top 9.Doesn’t have to be a big guy though. You watch Perron play.. He has no problem opening ice for himself… So maybe it’s just a case that these guys need to play a bit smarter. I’m not really worried about the offensive side of things though. But name D and goaltender please.

  7. John Chambers says:

    I hate hate hate to say it, but YakCity is as good as traded. This may be the best player we’ll have traded since Messier.

    But if the return is right I can live with it. We’re loaded on the wing, and young Nail could be a full 2 to 3 years away from becoming a complete player. If we can obtain Miller, Ehrhoff, and maybe Girgensons for Dubnyk, N Schultz, and Yak I think we done okay.

  8. Old School G says:

    Wayne Simmonds! If we can at all land this player we need to make it happen. If you had Simmonds on the right side with Perron on the left side and Gagner in the middle, we would have a second line that would bring the hurt in all areas of the game.

  9. goldenchild says:

    I was reading some annual reports yesterday and wondered if Craig Mactavish has ever read the Intelligent Investor by Benjamin Graham, I hope he has. For those that don’t know, Graham is the father of value investing, Warren Buffet being his most famous student. Anyways in the Intelligent Investor he describes the stock market with an allegory, a man named Mr. Market who visits your business daily and makes you offers. Most times Mr. Market offers near the value of your business but there are also times where he is completely irrational, either way under valuing or over valuing your business. In times where the offer is way below value you need to determine has something fundamentally changed in the business that would diminish the value this much? If not there is no need to do anything Mr. Market will be back to make more rational offers later, just because Mr. market makes a low ball offer doesn’t mean that has anything to do with the actual value of your business.

    I feel like this is whats going on right now with the Oilers. Listened to Al’s show yesterday and hear talked about how the Oilers are a famous team because of the 80’s and now the 3 First overalls, I guess that’s true. I don’t remember a team that has accomplished less getting more attention, every “insider”, every twitter rumor has to do with the Oilers they are hockey’s Mr. Market.

    Mr. Market is knocking on Mactavish’s door loudly saying you need to sell Dubnyk he is the worst goalie in the league right now you cant let him sink the ship! You need to sell Yakupov, hes a Russian malcontent, he cant play without the puck and your coach doesn’t use him right sell sell! Oh and here are some famous goalies who have middling results the last few years but you need to buy even if the price is crazy because well you have to!

    I don’t know if Dubnyk is capable of leading a team to a Stanley Cup but is he playoff caliber goalie? I think his track record suggests he certainly is. It’s a terrible start, it may take him another week to get out of this funk but has its almost impossible to think his results wont converge to his normalized level of play. Yak? I mean its so fucking crazy what the national narrative on this guy is that its almost crazy to even discuss. Hes a 20 year old 1st overall pick that scored 0.35 goals per game as a 19 year old to lead his team, there is no fucking reason for the oilers to even contemplate trading him. Fuck you Mr Market! To me the national discussion of Yak says way more about the hockey media than it does about the player.

    Like I said yesterday if there is an honest to goodness upgrade to the goaltending tandem that makes sense and isn’t an overpay then great do it but nothing has fundamentally changed about this team from 2 weeks ago, I hope Mactavish sticks to his original value assessment and adds when Mr Market is offering a fair price.

    Oilers win today and if there is a hockey god or a math god Dubnyk starts and posts 0.95 sv. Please.

  10. TeeVee says:

    John Chambers,

    Ehrhoff? No thanks.

  11. Lowetide says:

    There’s a 100% chance the Oilers lose a Yakupov trade. Maybe higher.

  12. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    There’s a 100% chance the Oilers lose a Yakupov trade. Maybe higher.

    I don’t see him going anywhere.

    The sports media has been saying for years EDM needs to trade one of their young stars. Why? because it’s good copy.

    I’m happy to believe MacT is actually panicking and is definitely calling around the league looking for a variety of items. I’m also happy to believe MacT is listening to any and all offers on the young stars (all GMs do). But there is no reason to connect the two things. None.

  13. kosiork says:

    Trading either Dubnyk or Yakupov at or near the bottom of their value is folly. As LT notes, you just don’t win a Yakupov trade. Bringing in projects or rentals at this point doesn’t help the team, and we have to be aware that there is not some mythical GM with a philanthropic bent waiting to help the Oilers in their time of need.

    We either execute a “hockey trade” of quantity for quality, deal picks for rentals or stay the course. There is no White Knight out there waiting to rescue us.

  14. Vaclav says:

    I’m still unsure why MacTavish went with the “experienced backup” in LaBarbera rather than signing a younger tender like Khudobin or Greiss that could have challenged Dubnyk for that #1 spot.

    Early returns but Khudobin has a 2.00 gaa and .929 sv %age in 3 games for Carolina while Greiss has a 1.50 gaa and .956 sv %age in 2 games. $800K and $750K cap hits respectively.

  15. RMGS says:

    Andropod: I see Yak City right now as a flawed gem. Virtuoso skill, happy to take advice that makes sense to him, unwilling to accept anything else. I too love his passion for the game, and he has tried to pass the puck to some degree, but unwilling to do what is required of him without the puck.

    In another forum, LT described Yak’s “struggles” perfectly:

    “He knows what he is, and is going to have to learn what he can be. That’s a gap in experience, in knowledge. Not a gap in character.”

    Trading a 20-year old sophomore – a #1 pick and rookie scoring champ with incredible upside – is the kind of move loser, dysfunctional NHL organizations make.

  16. russ99 says:

    Lowetide,

    Hate to repeat myself in a new thread, but Miroslav Satan anyone?

    And Yak could easily have a much better career than Satan. If they do this it will set back out cup chances 5 years. Katz may need to punt the entire front office over this by the time the new arena opens.

    it would be awful to see the next Stamkos blossom in another city because management thinks they have to “win now”, which is ludicrous considering our non-skill player roster.

    BTW – it also reduces the chance of signing those good Russian kids we drafted this year to zero.

  17. Jon K says:

    How would people here feel about a Smid for Neuvirth trade? Neuvirth appears to have a decent track record whenever he’s given a chance to play some games. He’s arguably not better than Dubnyk but it seems there’s upside. As I had commented before, Smid is something of a square peg in Eakins’ system better suited to circular holes. MacT and Eakins want fast defenders who can retrieve and move the puck before the coke machines. Those are areas where Smid is unlikely to improve upon at this point.

    On the other side, I don’t imagine Washington is dying to move Neuvirth with Holtby’s current struggles.

  18. HiddenDarts says:

    goldenchild,

    Really well put post.

    The problem, of course, is that Oilers fans right now seem to treat their players like they are penny stocks. It’s all Jim Cramer over here right now (BUY BUY BUY — SELL SELL SELL) and I’m not sure if it’s just winter coming or what, but a lot of people are losing their minds.

    Personally, looking at some of the massive changes (the outshooting, the better play) I’ve seen in the first 7 games, I’m a back-up-the-truck-buyer of the Oilers.

  19. John Chambers says:

    TeeVee,

    Really? A guy who played 25 mins a night last year, has a decent cap hit, can bring some offense, and is under contract for the next few years where he’s poised to deliver value during our competitive window?

    Yeah pass. Gimme Myers instead.

  20. Andropod says:

    RMGS: In another forum, LT described Yak’s “struggles” perfectly:

    “He knows what he is, and is going to have to learn what he can be. That’s a gap in experience, in knowledge.Not a gap in character.”

    Trading a 20-year old sophomore – a #1 pick and rookie scoring champ with incredible upside – is the kind of move loser, dysfunctional NHL organizations make.

    I don’t profess to be a Hockey expert, I am constantly learning about this wonderful game through quite a lot of study and game watching. The comment I made would make sense under some circumstances but after reading the comments that came through while I was composing mine, I realized that my comment would add nothing positive to this debate and therefore have requested deletion. (I still had a minute left to edit or delete)

  21. John Chambers says:

    Lowetide,

    The statement is true, but perhaps you have to be willing to lose a trade in you get a top-pair D, big young C, and or starting G in a package.

    You like 3-for-1 deals, don’t you?

  22. goldenchild says:

    John Chambers: Lowetide, The statement is true, but perhaps you have to be willing to lose a trade in you get a top-pair D, big young C, and or starting G in a package.You like 3-for-1 deals, don’t you?

    If your giving up the 3 yes, not if your giving up the 1. If you give up Yak + well god help you.

    And thanks HiddenDarts,

  23. RMGS says:

    Andropod,

    We’re in the same boat! My post wasn’t directed at you – just a thought that drew from your observations. Still working on “quoting etiquette.” :)

  24. Hammers says:

    IF there is a trade I expect something like Eberle , Dubnyk & Smid for ( Buffalo Miller & Alzner ) (Philly Coburn , Mason , Simmonds . So please we don’t need a trade , not just yet. When Gags returns expect him on the wing at least for a couple of games . Re tonight I expect another shuffle of the deck . I have friends taking bets that McT is behind the bench by Christmas .

  25. Racki says:

    John Chambers:
    Lowetide,

    The statement is true, but perhaps you have to be willing to lose a trade in you get a top-pair D, big young C, and or starting G in a package.

    You like 3-for-1 deals, don’t you?

    apparently the Oilers have received a fair bit of interest in Yakupov. Sitting two games doesnt look so good, but I’m not so sure that his trade value went from brand new Lexus to used Ford in a couple weeks. GMs may try to play that card but I think MacT is a smooth talker and won’t allow that thought to fly. If yak moves, it will be a big deal. It won’t be Yakupov for Miller. If Yak doesn’t get a great piece in return, then Yak doesn’t get traded. Simple as that. I don’t think MacT is an idiot, unlike some people seem to figure. I also don’t believe that we lose a deal that involves yak, like yourself. The Oil just have to know his value and respect it. If other teams don’t, then you just don’t make the deal… Much like the other no deals that some rabid fans were pissed about this off season (Schneider comes to mind).

  26. Vaclav says:

    If Katz had a role in opting for Yakupov over Murray I can’t imagine he would be on board for moving him at this point in his career. Unless the return was too good to be true which, of course, ain’t gonna happen.

  27. Hall Awaits says:

    Any trade involving Tyler Myers is not good for Edmonton. Period.

  28. Wolfie says:

    Unless you get the type of return Quebec got for Lindros you do not move Yakupov.

    As for the goalie situation… Jeez I don’t know. Right now Miller isn’t helping things in Buffalo. I’m sure the Sabres would dump him if the price wee right. I guess it depends on what they can feel they can get at the deadline. If they’re willing to eat his salary until then I could see them coming away with a pretty decent package likely including a prospect, 1st round pick and a roster player.

    I’m not sure the Oilers can afford his cap hit right now anyways without substracting some payroll.

  29. fuzzy muppet says:

    My concern is this: they lose 2 more games in a row and they are as good as done this season. Then you’re looking another tank straight in the face. They’ve got to win at least b one game this week …

  30. John Chambers says:

    Racki,

    I guess what I’m saying is that if we deal Yak + Dubnyk for a package that included Miller and Ehrhoff, covering two major areas of need, or Gardiner an Reimer, we’ll have traded the best player and thus lost the deal – but the team would be stronger and maybe that’s just the kind of deal that needs to get done to conclude the re-build.

  31. mumbai max says:

    John Chambers:
    Racki,

    I guess what I’m saying is that if we deal Yak + Dubnyk for a package that included Miller and Ehrhoff, covering two major areas of need, or Gardiner an Reimer, we’ll have traded the best player and thus lost the deal – but the team would be stronger and maybe that’s just the kind of deal that needs to get done to conclude the re-build.

    Yak and Dubnyk for Reimer and Gardiner would be an epic all time overpay. Top ten EVER!

  32. Racki says:

    mumbai max: Yak and Dubnyk for Reimer and Gardiner would be an epic all time overpay. Top ten EVER!

    I wouldn’t do that deal or the Buffalo deal. Maybe the Buffalo deal if more was coming. A trade involving yak doesn’t have to be a stinker or for a bunch of spare parts. Again, if the deal sucks, you just don’t do it. To me, the Leafs deal you quoted falls under “suck” because it doesn’t advance this team.. At least in the foreseeable future.

  33. Bag of Pucks says:

    Really interesting to see the impact that a couple games in the press box has on the Oiler fanbase’s perception of Yakupov. Some still see him as the next Stamkos, some have him verging on Radulov territory now.

    The reality is he’s still in the part of his development curve whether either of those outcomes is still a viable possibility, and I think this explains why some view him as virtually untouchable at this point. When the possibility still exists that Yakupov could go supernova, how could we possibly part with him to address the other holes in the lineup – regardless of how glaring those holes may be? No one wants to be that guy who breaks up with Elle MacPherson when she’s still in the ugly duckling phase.

    History tells us hat these players CAN be successfully traded however, and the trade doesn’t always have to be Lindros-like for fair value to be realized.

    As one example, the Nords traded Owen Nolan for Sandis Ozolinsh. That trade of a 1st overall addressed a clear need for that team and was a key component in their climbing the mountain. In other words, you can get equal value back when trading a 1st overall – sometimes even with just a single player coming back.

    Of course, what the Oilers really need is that manna from heaven moment when your lynchpin falls into your lap ala Roy to the Nords after his falling out with the Habs.

  34. Racki says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Speaking of that Lindros trade, that’s about as good an example as it gets of taking a very valuable player who had a negative spotlight on him WAY brighter than Yakupov completely turning a franchise around. Nords made off very well from that deal.

    People also really need to realize that Yak’s name doesn’t come up because people have given up on him or think he sucks. You have to give to get is all. And with a player like that on the table , the Oilers should be able to address some needs (and if he can’t, you just don’t make the deal!)

  35. Dead Cat Bounce says:

    Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper

    Note with trade talk, #Sabres Ryan Miller does have a limited no trade clause and #Oilers are one of the teams on his no trade list.

  36. HugThePost says:

    If they lose all of the games remaining in the road trip, MacT’s hand will be forced. He cannot stand pat and send the message to his players that they are this year’s sacrificial lamb for another high draft pick, after all of the bleating about being inpatient and wanting to win.

    And if his hand is forced, chances are good he will lose the trade by a lot.

    What a mess.

  37. mumbai max says:

    Ok, i have a Yak trade. Yak, Gagner and N Shultz (about 9 mill) for Coburn, Schenn, Couturier and Simmonds. ( about 10 mill). Overall quality we might lose a bit, but it would do wonders for team balance.

    Not that i want to trade Yak!

  38. maudite says:

    I will admit I was not a fan of Mact inheriting the gm job but:

    This team is markedly improved personnel wise in one of season. The record points to a different direction than the eye and stats. Tactics due need to be adjusted. The pp should be lethal and the pk whittled down to a select personnel. Throw out new special teams play books and draw from the assistant coaches on last years plans in those areas. Offer your weight in gold to get huddy back as defense has not been remotely close to as effective since his loss (the one ex oiler I was against cutting loose). This team is better than its record. Get back to 500 hockey should not be too difficult. Find a weak spot in your schedule and hope for a couple hot streaks, see where you are at near deadline. See what shakes loose cheaply that could help. Unlike other years where we came out of gates and won games that we shouldn’t have, this team is losing games they deserve to win. The ship isn’t sinking and its not time to throw treasure overboard to save ourselves. For better or worse, I hope Mact plays the “price was not right” card. Rides this out. For better or worse, I’m surprisingly in his corner and giving him a pass. Playoffs or no.

  39. maudite says:

    Oh and we presently have enough players for three solid lines. Playing rnh 25 minutes a night is just stupid.

  40. slopitch says:

    I’m torn on trading Yakapov. On one hand, I look at a guy like Stamkos and how he looked overwhelmed his first season then came on like gangbusters in his 2nd year. Trading Yak could be a critical mistake. On the other, I look at Seguin and how long he’s taken to be a good player. Is he there yet?

    If the Oilers were to get Coutourier, Simmonds and Coburne for Yak and Jones (Oilers would need to dump a contract, maybe throw in Brown or Smac), to me that’s a move like the Nordique made in building the Avalanche. You may lose the trade in isolation, but the team is better for the next 3 years – at least. At that point, you now have a team where moving a 1st+ a D for Miller (or whomever) becomes a reasonable play.

  41. Bag of Pucks says:

    Btw, no doubt we can beat up on MacT for missing out on Bishop, Khudobin, Thomas, Greiss, etc.

    But what really needs to be questioned is why in hell this team has failed to draft and develop a starting netminder since 1981?

    As LT’s goalie thread showed, they’ve had good success pillaging other teams for their tenders. But at some point, you have to draft your own blue chipper don’t you? How in hell this team can pass on a player like Eric Comrie when they’ve got nothing of significant value in the G development pipeline is beyond me.

  42. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    “The Halley. It measures ‘heart.’ It’s an ‘a’ to ‘f’ system.”

  43. Logan91 says:

    Nick Kypreos started these Buffalo trade rumours, and there is NO truth to any of it. Damn Pierre McGuire took what Kypreos said out of context and ran with it.

    Edmonton is not going to trade Yak for any pending UFAs. It’s been 7 games into an 82 game season, so many players get off to slow starts.

    This is exactly how the Oilers got into this mess in the first place, the Old Boys Club trading away good players because they don’t work out right away. Look a how many players have left the Oilers and have had success with other teams. Wait until Christmas before making any decisions. For all we know the team can start a 10 game winning streak starting tonight.

  44. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Btw, no doubt we can beat up on MacT for missing out on Bishop, Khudobin, Thomas, Greiss, etc.

    But what really needs to be questioned is why in hell this team has failed to draft and develop a starting netminder since 1981?

    As LT’s goalie thread showed, they’ve had good success pillaging other teams for their tenders. But atsome point, you have to draft your own blue chipper don’t you? How in hell this team can pass on a player like Eric Comrie when they’ve got nothing of significant value in the G development pipeline is beyond me.

    LT’s had past threads on our netminding drafts. And, we discussed Comrie and Jarry and others during the draft season and the poor quality of the depth chart at G.

    Mind you, these are all totally valid criticisms.

  45. maudite says:

    Hall rnh eberle
    Perron Arco yak
    Smyth Gordon Hemsky
    Xxx acton xxx

    Pk 1 smyth Gordon
    Pk2 acton Arco

    Pp1 use your imagination
    Pp2 Arco and others

    When ganger returns if Arco is sliding to 4th, eager or jones should be called up and that line plays 10 minutes a night. I also supplement arcos ice time by keeping him heavy special teams mix. Guy is a player and can still be utilized from the 4th.

    J Shultz should not be playing the most on d. Heavy pp overload and down to 3rd pairing Even strength.

  46. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Logan91: Nick Kypreos started these Buffalo trade rumours, and there is NO truth to any of it. Damn Pierre McGuire took what Kypreos said out of context and ran with it.

    He’s also the one putting it to bed:

    Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper 40m
    Note with trade talk, #Sabres Ryan Miller does have a limited no trade clause and #Oilers are one of the teams on his no trade list.

    full circle!!

    Nothing like starting a rumor and then ending it and giving the world the impression you’ve got access!

  47. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    A series of trades will be imminent between now and the start of next year. What sequence and when the process begins are intriguing. They will need to unload a couple of the young guns up front to shift into true contending status as I see imbalance in the talent mix. The targets in exchange are 1 or 2 D and a top tier goaltender. I’m personally struggling with why MacT would trade Yak now because the personal risk of perceived idiocy for pulling the trigger on it seems inordinately high if he gets it wrong. But of Hemsky, Eberle and Yak he gets the highest yield – by a mile. I don’t think RNH and Hall are legitimately in play as the return would need to be phenomenal. But I suspect MacT will entertain any conversation.

    Although we need a real goaltender, I don’t think MacT will rush this or get a stop gap. A stop gap doesn’t appear to me to be an upgrade on our current situation as DD will revert to more stable goaltending with more minutes. If you do it, do it right and get the guy that gets you to the dance in the long term. That will take some time. If Yak is any sort of malcontent (I’m not suggesting he is), he will top the list of the young guns to be bartered as the margin of talent difference between Ebs and Yak (or Hall and RNH for that matter) is immaterial enough that character and a well rounded game will trump the decision process. Just a shit load of personal risk in that trade if this year. A shit load.

  48. Bag of Pucks says:

    mumbai max:
    Ok, i have a Yak trade.Yak, Gagner and N Shultz (about 9 mill) for Coburn, Schenn, Couturier and Simmonds. ( about 10 mill). Overall quality we might lose a bit, but it would do wonders for team balance.

    Not that i want to trade Yak!

    Love the trade but Gagner has a No Movement Clause. That will be a gift that keeps giving for the next three years.

  49. RMGS says:

    Bag of Pucks: History tells us hat these players CAN be successfully traded however, and the trade doesn’t always have to be Lindros-like for fair value to be realized. As one example, the Nords traded Owen Nolan for Sandis Ozolinsh.

    Bring this up again when Yak is 23 like Nolan and Ozoliņš were when they were traded.

  50. Gi JQE says:

    Not sure if it has been mentioned. But I believe the dman to target is giardi. Realize he is final year of contract. So could he be snagged for less then 100 cents on the dollar and resigned ? Does everything…. A lot better option then myers.

    Hoping for two wins and no more trade rumours … Terrible time of year to make a decent trade.

  51. jbfuzz says:

    For the sake of rationality, let’s hope DD recovers his game to the point where a rash move deosn’t have to be made. I’m pretty well left thinking they won’t resign him after this season, but if he can be better it means they won’t be dealing from a position of total weakness.

  52. delooper says:

    If MacTavish traded Yakupov he would have to put new tires on his car at least once a week for the rest of his time in Edmonton. No way its happening.

  53. LMHF#1 says:

    Doing nothing if this team happens to smack a couple teams around for big wins would be just as bad as doing something rash because of the losses. This roster needs to be improved.

    (and no, I’m not suggesting they trade Yakupov. Doing so for anything less than a king’s ransom would be idiocy)

  54. hoser313 says:

    I agree with Russ and others on here. No good reason to trade a guy like Yak before he has established his full value in the NHL.

    You have to realize that EDM looks like the panicked team at the moment (especially with all the “help” from the “hockey expects” in the media). Other GMs are licking their chops thinking that MacT is going to be the next Holmgren.

    These rumours about Yak not passing the puck are laughable. Kid seems like a damn fine passer to me. Yak and Kuznetsov absolutely lit up the WJC 2 years ago. Yak had 0 goals and 9 assists.

    You also have a kid that wants to be an Oiler. Grew up in a freezing city in Russia and now plays in a cold city in North America. No problem for him. Not like the easy-living types. That should count for something too.

  55. FastOil says:

    There are few goalies a team is going to trade better than Bryzgalov who doesn’t cost assets. Who cares if he’s nuts? Sign him low and hope for the best. The worst of the three can go have a warm winter in OKC.

    The only way you trade a player like Yakupov is for another elite young player. Definitely not a goalie or older player. There would only be benefit in an older player if they meant a shot at the Cup. I’m not sure but I don’t think it’ll be this year.

    Trading Smid is also tricky because he is unique on the roster in that he’s big, can skate and is physical even if he’s challenged with that black thingy. Teams value D like him. Trading him demands a good return. Iffy deals should involve NS.

  56. Logan91 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: He’s also the one putting it to bed:

    Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper 40m
    Note with trade talk, #Sabres Ryan Miller does have a limited no trade clause and #Oilers are one of the teams on his no trade list.

    full circle!!

    Nothing like starting a rumor and then ending it and giving the world the impression you’ve got access!

    I’m starting to think these insiders are purposely stirring the pot just to get laugh out of all the die hard raging Oiler fans. They’re going to start a riot one of these days I tell ya!

  57. TheGreatMutato says:

    mumbai max:
    Ok, i have a Yak trade.Yak, Gagner and N Shultz (about 9 mill) for Coburn, Schenn, Couturier and Simmonds. ( about 10 mill). Overall quality we might lose a bit, but it would do wonders for team balance.

    Not that i want to trade Yak!

    As much as I love Yakupov, I don’t see why Philly guts their team with such abandon in order to obtain him and Gagner. We are often guilty of over-valuing our team’s guys (MPS+ for Perron), but I think that is a trade that clearly makes the Oilers a much, much better team.

  58. TeeVee says:

    Logan91,

    Nick Kypreos is no insider.

    As much as Bob MacKenzie drives me nuts, he really does have the inside track much of the time.

  59. Ice Sage says:

    Nice touch LT – ‘Miller’s Crossing’ – looks like he’s crossed off for now.

    RE: Yakupov, where is Larionov in all of this? Sure, he’s technically an agent but he could throw Yak a few digestible, culturally-tinged tips on becoming a complete player. Yaks #’s and Igor’s eventual jackpot (? yakpot)aren’t going to improve from the pressbox.

  60. Henry says:

    Everyone contemplating trading Yakupov for pending UFA(s) or any sort of immediate help should consider that Brett Hull scored 700 goals after Calgary gave up on him. He only scored 25 in 50 games for Calgary as a young player with zits and warts.

  61. Andropod says:

    We have to remind ourselves of some relevant dates:

    1) Lowe and MacT took an underfunded team to game 7 of the Stanley Cup playoffs in 2006.

    2) Katz took away lack of success due to underfunding when he bought the team in 2008.

    3) In the same year, 2008, Dithers walked into a golden opportunity: a fully funded team, a Championship caliber head coach and some left over pieces of a 7 game Stanley Cup final run. What did he do? Mostly FUBAR. Seriously, you cannot give him credit for Katz funding the improvement of the Barons to a competitive level, nor the #1 picks that were the results of his ineptitude. Nor for Katz funding the infrastructure that is now in place to support the Oil, from top to bottom. Dithers was cursed with such ineptitude, he managed to screw up on one of the best funded teams in the league.
    This ineptitude was brought to a merciful end in April 2013. That’s this year folks!

    In the few short months since he took over the shipwreck that Dithers left behind, MacT has already transformed this team. In the most positive way. He has done what Dithers was expected to do, except 5 years later.

    How can we blame MacT for Dithers incompetence? IIRC MacT stated before he was fired, that he couldn’t do any more with this team. Which meant, the GM had proven incapable of providing him with NHL caliber players. Look what he did with the roster Mr. 6 Rings gave him!

    So what do we do? Give each successor less and less time to succeed? Because that is exactly what we are doing to this team, right now, and they are the least deserving of this collective hysteria.

    MacT has had this tem since April 2013, folks. 6 Months. Not 7 years, but one half of 1 year. Katz has only had this team for 5 years, not 7.

    In those 6 months MacT has gutted and rebuilt the roster. I believe that we have good depth here and in the system across most of the positions, remarkable for the amount of time involved. We have an uber talented team with mostly solid support players, with tweaks needed here and there. We have a new coach, players, systems, and we lost the usual benefits of the training camp and the pre-season because we had to evaluate so many new pieces. I’m not making excuses, I’m just talking about what I see.

    In light of this it would be exceptional by almost any measure for this team to even compete for the playoffs this year, and done blame MacT blame Mr. Dithers. But MacT is working wonders. By all reckoning he is a few components out of achieving this:
    a) Fix Yak City
    b) Fix DD.

    In light of this I feel now is the time for us to support the amazing turnaround that MacT and ChickenHawk are achieving with this team. We need to support the benching for what it is – getting a talented and stiff necked Tatar (they are proud and fierce warriors aren’t they?) to support the cavalry around him. We also need to support DD and cheer him into getting used to his short pads and skinny stick and stop worrying about losing his job which is becoming a self fulfilling prophecy, and pull this together. Tonight. While MacT does his job by lining up alternate scenarios in what is referred to elsewhere as succession planning.

    I get as frustrated as anyone when I see listless play but I think we as fans should really start becoming part of the solution not part of the problem. How about a chant “You can do it” at the next game? I’m sure that will be more motivational to the players than the boo birds.

    Enough said!

  62. mumbai max says:

    I think Gagners no trade only kicks in after a year. Could be wrong.

  63. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bag of Pucks: Love the trade but Gagner has a No Movement Clause. That will be a gift that keeps giving for the next three years.

    Gags NMC kicks in only in the middle year, not year 1 or 3.

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/07/22/edmonton-oilers-sign-sam-gagner-to-a-three-year-deal/

  64. Racki says:

    I’m quite glad Miller has oilers as one of his no trade teams. Very good goalie, but way too pricey and UFA. No thanks. Plus comboing with vanek is crazy talk.

  65. Bag of Pucks says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Gags NMC kicks in only in the middle year, not year 1 or 3.

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/07/22/edmonton-oilers-sign-sam-gagner-to-a-three-year-deal/

    They have a handshake deal on Year One. If MacT were to trade Gagner this season, it would really give the Oil a bad name with players around the league.

  66. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bag of Pucks: They have a handshake deal on Year One. If MacT were to trade Gagner this season, it would really give the Oil a bad name with players around the league.

    Well, that’s the same handshake MacT gave RNH, “don’t ask to be traded and I won’t trade you” before saying he insists on the flexibility and all parties understand it’s a business.

    So… yea, to the player/team it matters but doesn’t prevent anything and it a far cry from an actual NMC.

    I’m not sure about the backlash… Players get traded all the time, some like it, some don’t… I don’t think it reflects badly. Much worse is statements like Souray’s about health.

  67. Racki says:

    Bag of Pucks: They have a handshake deal on Year One. If MacT were to trade Gagner this season, it would really give the Oil a bad name with players around the league.

    I don’t see reason to move Gagner (unless a big need is addressed) but the Kings are doing fine post Visnovsky shocker. Players just want to play for a winner. That’s really what matters most. Oilers still aren’t a winner, that’s the concern.

  68. Bag of Pucks says:

    Andropod, to confirm: Dubnyk is playing badly because the fans aren’t cheering enough for him?

  69. Bag of Pucks says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Well, that’s the same handshake MacT gave RNH, “don’t ask to be traded and I won’t trade you” before saying he insists on the flexibility and all parties understand it’s a business.

    So… yea, to the player/team it matters but doesn’t prevent anything and it a far cry from an actual NMC.

    I’m not sure about the backlash… Players get traded all the time, some like it, some don’t… I don’t think it reflects badly. Much worse is statements like Souray’s about health.

    Well, I’m always going to come down on the side of the coin that says keeping your word in any business deal is paramount, but that’s just me.

    If you want to shiv Gagner after shaking his hand, have at ‘er.,

  70. Andropod says:

    Bag of Pucks: Andropod, to confirm: Dubnyk is playing badly because the fans aren’t cheering enough for him?

    Not at all! That would be ridiculous. DD is playing badly for reasons unknown. Could be any combination of new equipment, new baby sleep deprivation and psychological.

    I’m just saying that if we want our team to succeed and they are screwing up, perhaps an encouraging chant may help the entire team more than a flock of boo birds.

  71. JohnnyOilfan says:

    TheGreatMutato,

    It’s clear that we need to get bigger in the top 6 with retaining skill. As much I like Yak, there is some repeatition with him in the Top 6. If the return was fair and ideal, I move Yak in a package. I see Philly as a good trade partner in that they are struggling early and need a reset. I believe we can be a litte more patient with DD as he will settle down. So how would this trade proposal look:

    Yak, Hemmer, N schultz or Smid, 2014 1st rounder, dman prospect(not Kelfdom/Nurse) – Cap hit – 11,350,000

    For

    Simmonds, Courtier, Coburn, and 2014 2nd. – Cap hit – $10,225,000

    Oil can retain some of hemsky’s contract to make the cap hit work has the Oil have $5mil in cap space. Would even throw Mike Brown in the deal.

    Pros: Oilers get bigger and retaining some skill, upgrade on defence
    Cons: giving up on potential in Yak and Marcinin. But we have our studs in the top 6.

    Hall-RNH-EBS
    Perron-Courtier-Simmonds
    Joenussu/Smyth-Gordon-Gagner
    Joenussu/Smyth-Acton-Arco/Gazdic

    Coburn-Petry
    Belov-J. Schultz
    Smid/N.Schultz – Ferrence

    Grebs

  72. Tarkus says:

    OILERS ACQUIRE MILLER

    That was the headline on April 17 when the Oilers signed Yale centre Andrew Miller to a one-year entry-level contract.

    In other news, Ryan Miller is still with Buffalo.

    Go Oilers!

  73. JohnnyRocket says:

    John Chambers:
    I hate hate hate to say it, but YakCity is as good as traded. This may be the best player we’ll have traded since Messier.

    But if the return is right I can live with it. We’re loaded on the wing, and young Nail could be a full 2 to 3 years away from becoming a complete player. If we can obtain Miller, Ehrhoff, and maybe Girgensons for Dubnyk, N Schultz, and Yak I think we done okay.

    This only makes sense IF they throw in their 1st overall for this year.

  74. John Chambers says:

    mumbai max,

    Yeah I’m not saying Yakupov + Dubnyk for Reimer + Gardiner is the deal, I’m just saying it would be the framework for the deal. Toronto probably has to send back some salary, say in the form of Kulemin, and probably a 1st rounder to compensate for the difference in quality between Yakupov and Gardiner.

    But I think that’s not a bad framework to improve the D and goaltending, especially with young guys similar in age to the Oilers core.

  75. wheatnoil says:

    Dubnyk back in net tonight.

    #Oilers goalie Devan Dubnyk looks to get back on track against the #Isles tonight. Pre-game interview | VIDEO > http://t.co/4wwghWPn9P— Edmonton Oilers (@EdmontonOilers) October 17, 2013

  76. Ben says:

    Guys, despite his slow start, Yak LED THIS TEAM IN GOAL SCORING last year. Trading him – no matter what the return – simply creates a “one-shot-scorer” sized hole elsewhere in the lineup.

    This strategy could best be called: “Putting the horse in front of the cart for Reinhart”.

  77. Bag of Pucks says:

    If Yak is seen as an overpay for some of the deals being bandied about with Philly, TO, etc. how about Eberle?

    If I’m MacT looking to move RW depth to fill roster holes, I think I’d prefer keeping Yak’s upside and moving Eberle’s contract?

    Given that Perron shoots right, and how well he’s slotted into the lineup, it certainly gives MacT more options in terms of Top 6 trading chips.

  78. TheOtherJohn says:

    Have no clue how this statement gets made:

    “We have to remind ourselves of some relevant dates: Lowe and MacT took an underfunded team to game 7 of the Stanley Cup playoffs in 2006″.

    That statement was not true then, it is not true now . That year (05/06) the Oiler payroll was 9th in the league. We also added bodies throughout that season, typically picking up more expensive players on each trade

    Notwithstanding the 4th highest ticket prices in the league, the Oilers have, GASP, the 9th highest payroll this year

    In 2010/11 their payroll was 23rd. Unless mistaken Katz owned team in that year

  79. Big Dan says:

    I like the Neuvirth-Smid rumor. It makes sense for both clubs. Better than the Smid-Z.Smith one I read. It fills our need perfectly.

    Let’s say we throw Labarbera in so the Caps have a backup and they give us Brouwer to save themselves about $1M in cap space through the deal. We’d have to give them a top D prospect like Marincin (they’re lean on D).

    We might make out like bandits there. We alleviate a $3.5M cap hit for a #5D, which will help re-sign Petry and Belov + open up a spot for Grebs, Larsen, or Fedun. They’ll keep the spot warm until Nurse or Klefbom occupy it next year.

    We get a goalie who will give us average NHL-caliber goaltending until Dubnyk gets his mojo back. Can we send Dubnyk to the farm for a couple weeks and call up Bachman? That would save us the little bit of cap space we add through this deal.

    And we free up a roster spot wasted on MacIntyre. 49 to 48.

    So we lose a d-man and an excellent D prospect. Two things we have a lot of. For something we desperately need NOW.

    As much as I love Smid, Brouwer would help us on so many levels. McPhee showed in the Erat trade that he can go all irrational so there seems to be a good match there.

    I agree that Yakupov isn’t going anywhere unless it’s a #1D. I don’t even think MacT has any intentions of dealing him. Just crazy rumors.

  80. oilersfan says:

    the caps traded a first round pick for Brouwer then signed him to a multi year deal. they aren’t trading him for Smid and Musil or one of those other prospects, except maybe Klefbom who makes no sense to trade since he is the guy who will come play if Smid gets traded.

  81. oilersfan says:

    not that I am advocating this deal but wouldn’t Yak for Seth Jones make some sense? Yak could score goals in Nashville where nobody else can, and sell some tickets. Jones is the #1 dman RH to play with Nurse for the next 15 years. Both are unproven but highly likely to be what we all think they will be.

  82. godot10 says:

    Yakupov, like Paajarvi, is a project. Yakupov is more of a project than any recent #1 overall.

    If you aren’t prepared to coach and develop the player, it is better to trade them sooner than later. The whip is a lousy training and development tool for a 20-year old.

    If MacT and Eakins don’t have a plan for Yakupov more sophisticated than sticking him in the pressbox everytime he makes a mistake, it is better to trade him. Krueger had a plan. I don’t see any plan.

    Because of Gordon’s heavy d-zone starts, you cannot play Yakupov with him at this point. Yak has to play top six, and Hemsky with Gordon. Gagner and Yakupov and pick a left winger in a protected soft minutes role. Give Gordon, Perron and Hemsky, Nugent-Hopkins, Hall and Eberle, and have then handle the tough opposition. There pretty much is no other way if you choose to develop him.

    If Yak is goiing to Buffalo, I believe it is Myers that would be coming back. i.e. something like Smid or NSchultz plus Yak for Myers and Vanek (and a conditional pick if Vanek does not re-sign from Buffalo to Edmonton, or a conditional pick from Edmonton to Buffalo if Vanek re-signs). And probably other stuff to balance it out.

    If Nugent-Hopkins, Eberle, Hall, or JSchultz are traded, I’ll be pretty much done with hockey.

    I sort of think that Yakupov is too complicated a project for MacT and Eakins who want to win right now. Eakins wants to fit players to his system, rather than build a system that fits his players. Project players don’t work well with that. Krueger would work around Yak deficiencies while he developed him. It is in Krueger’s nature. I don’t think it is Eakins.

    Hence MacT’s dilemma. What to do with Yak?

    I think I might like the potential return from Philly for Yak better than the return from Buffalo.

  83. Pablo Aimar says:

    I don’t have tremendous confidence in Mac T but I am quite sure that he is not a stupid moron. And he would have to be to trade Yakupov. This player led the team in goals as a rookie despite being incredibly raw and despite having MASSIVE holes in his game. He is going to get better, much better, as he plays more. Trading a player with his upside for mediocre UFA goalies or for packages based on mediocre defencemen is totally absurd.

  84. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    Andropod,

    I’m on board with this.

  85. Jon K says:

    •RNH-Hall-Eberle
    •Gagner-Perron-Hemsky
    •Gordon-Smyth-Yakupov
    •Acton-Gazdic-Arcobello

    LT,

    What about a lineup where “the Chicago line” remains together, and RNH/Yakupov see more of the soft parade for now?

    4-89-14
    6-93-64
    57-27-83
    94-26-41/20/13

    We still have a designated “checking line” with some grit and 5×5 ability, a PVP line up top, a soft parade second line, and a 4th line where any player except Arcobello is interchangeable based upon circumstances (i.e. 94 is fatigued, we only need one facepuncher, etc).

    I think Arcobello has shown enough that he’s earned a spot in the lineup, and by eye and math it seems like he’s not drowning (far from it actually). He’s not so great a priority that the team might worry about him being down on the 4th line. Conversely, if he and Smyth are two parts of the 4th Eakins could worry less about giving them more than 5 minutes per game.

  86. JohnnyRocket says:

    Great, great movie LT. I know I say the same thing every time you use it.

    Look into your heart, MacT. Look into your heart.
    Keep the logo-kissing, cold weather-loving, future scoring phenom.
    Trust that your goalies will deliver goaltending at their career averages over the course of the year.
    Make a move, if it doesn’t hamstring your future.
    Give Chickenhawk a little more time to iron out some wrinkles.

    I think we’re going to have a great season. We’ll be cursing this start next year while we’re scoreboard watching, fighting for a playoff spot. But we will be there in the fight.

  87. TheGreatMutato says:

    JohnnyOilfan,

    Delicious =)

  88. jimmers2 says:

    The statement is clear enough when you put it in context. In 2003-2004, the Oilers had, I believe, the 9th lowest payroll. In 2005-2006, they finished the season (remember the late season acquisitions?) with the 9th highest payroll. They did so while adding something like $5 million in contracts, much of that is no doubt accounted for by Pronger’s and Peca’s salaries in themselves. In that season, the high-budget teams slashed their payrolls and most teams had budgets quite close to Edmonton’s, =/- $3million. In 2003-2004, the season before the Cup run, Oilers had a budget of 55% (or less) than that of the seven richest teams ($60+ million) which included the perennial top dogs of the West: Dallas, Colorado, Detroit. LT’s memory seems spot on to me.

    TheOtherJohn:
    Have no clue how this statement gets made:

    “We have to remind ourselves of some relevant dates: Lowe and MacT took an underfunded team to game 7 of the Stanley Cup playoffs in 2006″.

    That statement was not true then, it is not true now . That year (05/06) the Oiler payroll was 9th in the league. We also added bodies throughout that season, typically picking up more expensive players on each trade

  89. Andropod says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    Have no clue how this statement gets made:

    “We have to remind ourselves of some relevant dates: Lowe and MacT took an underfunded team to game 7 of the Stanley Cup playoffs in 2006″.

    That statement was not true then, it is not true now . That year (05/06) the Oiler payroll was 9th in the league. We also added bodies throughout that season, typically picking up more expensive players on each trade

    Notwithstanding the 4th highest ticket prices in the league, the Oilers have, GASP, the 9th highest payroll this year

    In 2010/11 their payroll was 23rd. Unless mistaken Katz owned team in that year

    Prior to Katz, this franchise was always advertised as financially challenged. Why do you think we got a reputation as being the nursery for the NHL? What about names like Doug Weight and Bill Guerin? That was always advertised as being because we lacked the financial wherewithal to keep our top players.
    The 2005/6 season changed things a lot because it introduced the Salary Cap. But from what I understand, the salaries were one thing, and limited until Katz arrived, even with the cap in place. It was with everything else. Like or hate our present scouting org as an example, my understanding is that the prior scouting org was run on a shoestring, whereas my understanding is that the present one lacks for very little. Same for transport to and from games. I hear the quality of our charters has increased monumentally.
    Now I don’t “know” the inside story on what the details were on shoestring funding. I do know that the big story of the Ownership group was that they had to run the organization on a shoestring budget. Whereas it has been widely spoken that Katz is a big spender when it comes to this hockey team. Also do you remember how excited everybody was that we could now go whale hunting for people like Jagr, Heatley and others?

    So, what says the board?
    Were we underfunded prior to the Katz regime or was that just a false claim by the media, and, BTW,by Katz, as a reason for him to pick up the team and no longer have us worry about the team being shipped off elsewhere? ??

  90. Woodguy says:

    This town has completely lost its shit in regards to this hockey team.

    Same lines as game vs. PIT.

    I like them a lot and think they are optimal for the current active roster.

    83 should be with 27 for the whole year.

    Hope 93 takes control of his line tonight.

    Praying to every Gord I know to help our brother Doobie.

    LET’S GO OILERS!

    CLAP, CLAP

    CLAPCLAPCLAP

  91. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy,

    Agreed.

    Makes me want to find a nice quiet corner and cheer for my team without some of the nail-biting (no pun intended) drama.

    Robertson Davies once said that Canada was not so much a country one loved as it was a country one worried over. Maybe it is a national characteristic, but I think it applies equally well to Oiler fans.

  92. cadooo says:

    Woodguy In a bane voice:

    RNH, take control! Take control of your line. This… this is the instrument of your liberation!

  93. Woodguy says:

    Jon just tweeted this:

    Jonathan Willis ‏@JonathanWillis 4m

    First 53 career NHL games. John Tavares: 17G-16A-33PTS, -8. Taylor Hall: 17G-16A-33PTS, -7. Nail Yakupov: 17G-14A-31PTS, -8.

    Stew on that for awhile.

  94. JohnnyRocket says:

    Woodguy,

    I’m stewing!

  95. Woodguy says:

    cadooo:
    Woodguy In a bane voice:

    RNH, take control! Take control of your line. This… this is the instrument of your liberation!

    How did you know I do that?

  96. denny33 says:

    TheGreatMutato,

    No..no….most teams are desperate to obtain Nick Schultz…..

  97. bookje says:

    Woodguy:
    Jon just tweeted this:

    Jonathan Willis ‏@JonathanWillis 4m

    First 53 career NHL games. John Tavares: 17G-16A-33PTS, -8. Taylor Hall: 17G-16A-33PTS, -7. Nail Yakupov: 17G-14A-31PTS, -8.

    Stew on that for awhile.

    Wait, are you trying to say Tavares and Hall are enigmatic Russians with attitude problems?

  98. jake70 says:

    Just watching TVA (french network out of Que). They were talking about Vanek + Miller for Yakupov. Funny, in the next bit, they are talking about Laraque taking his name out (Green Party candidate) of a bye election near Montreal due to fraud charges. Never a dull moment.

  99. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy:
    Jon just tweeted this:

    Jonathan Willis ‏@JonathanWillis 4m

    First 53 career NHL games. John Tavares: 17G-16A-33PTS, -8. Taylor Hall: 17G-16A-33PTS, -7. Nail Yakupov: 17G-14A-31PTS, -8.

    Stew on that for awhile.

    As much as we diss the MSM for not getting that Hall is a star now and for elevating Tavares so high above him erroneously… Hall basically nailed it when he said something to the effect of “you don’t get any respect until you play in the playoffs”

    I don’t exactly think that is fair, but I do think it is true. If Hall can lead the team to the playoffs I’d expect he’ll get some prime puff pieces going his way.

  100. Zelepukin says:

    Please hockeygods, let Yaks pot a highlight goal tonight so it will shut up the incredible idiocy everyone is spewing.

  101. wheatnoil says:

    Zelepukin:
    Please hockeygods, let Yaks pot a highlight goal tonight so it will shut up the incredible idiocy everyone is spewing.

    I say aim higher! I’m hoping for a Gagner-esque 8 point night!

  102. TheOtherJohn says:

    There are all kinds of “stories” that are simply not true. Facts, sometimes, get in the way of easy to say not particularly accurate stories.. Like some one suggesting Dubnyk has never had decent numbers. You can sayall you want it. It is just simply not true.

    Katz also haa a fascinating recollection as to the reason for his purchase of the team which Jon Willis debunked., here:

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2012/09/19/daryl-katz-remembers-buying-an-oilers-team-at-risk-of-leaving-edmonton-but-is-that-how-it-actually-happened/

    Jimmer

    The statement is not true “once put into context” or at al. In 05/06 AFTER a year away from hockey and with a salary cap put in place the Oilers were 9th in NHL payroll. You don’t go to 03/04 (no cap) to put 05/06 (with a cap) to put anything into context. Its a completely different business model.

    The EIG was legitimately “holding on” waiting for the results of the results of the 04/ 05 work stoppage. They even had a significant cash call to get the team to the work stoppage. For any businessman a cash call is a pretty traumatic experience. Instead making money off of your business, you have to take money and inject it into the business.

    That is, the EIG could not compete without a salary cap. The salary cap came in after a year without hockey and the Oilers had no difficulty competing, well competing absent reasonably competent hockey operations staff.

    The statement made, as a fact, was that the Oilers were underfunded in 05/06. That statement is simply not true. KLowe or MacT comepeted with the 9th highest payroll in the league in 05/06. The EXACT same place in NHL payroll (including bonuses) the Oilers sit at today. I gave you a figure from 10/11 that places them at 22nd in the league

    Andropod

    You have no clue how well funded hockey operation were subsequent to the work stoppage in 04/05 salary cap. To do that you would have to look at the books and records of the hockey club, both by EIG and by the Katz group. Not sure how a call to the “Board” helps your argument in any way. Not aware of anyone posting here that has access to those year over year records. Most people here try to make arguments based on facts. Anecdotal geez EIg were skkinflints post work stoppage and Katz group is now flush with cash is 100% rumour. What’s next I know someone who knows soneone who knows what the pro scouting budget was 06/07 and now its 40% more?

    Does make for a good story though.

  103. Woodguy says:

    bookje: Wait, are you trying to say Tavares and Hall are enigmatic Russians with attitude problems?

    No, i’m saying that Eakins and MacT wrecked Hall and Tavares too.

  104. Lois Lowe says:

    Godot,

    You keep trying to play on this idea that the Oilers didn’t, and don’t, have a plan for Yakupov. It wasn’t true when you first said it, and it isn’t any more true now.

  105. hunter1909 says:

    Trade away Yakupov the clowns at the helm take a giant step back to becoming the 1972 LA Kings.

    Anyone else notice Bucky scared to be seen by the camera when it panned to the gondola/whatever to get a glitch at Messier? What’s that about? Bucky about to get his walking papers in the next ‘paper’ round of internal blood letting?

    lol

    Messier sure didn’t appear worried.

    MEMO TO KATZ: Now that Messier’s back, why not bring Paul Coffey as a 50/50 management associate to Moose? Add Gretzky eventually of course, great idea to hire Gretzky’s uber hot wayward daughter Paula in some fantastic capacity, giving Dad a warm fuzzy feeling when he sees her doing something civic.

  106. denny33 says:

    Craig McTavish started using words like -BOLD – even before the season started.

    Craig McTavish started burning up the phone lines for big decisive move ( B.Mackenzie )

    He has been talking and talking and talking and using adjectives since he took the job.

    Blaming the fans or the MSM is not only tired and old – but it is wrong.

    I like most of Craig’s moves. But people need to realize he was not LYING when he talked about Bold moves. He is not bluffing.

    You can agree or disagree with his thought process all you want. That is fair game.

    The fans and the media have nothing to do with what our GM is going to do….

    LT said it best in his post – it is worth repeating:

    However, there’s enough smoke here to believe Craig MacTavish is willing to deal some of the young cluster in an effort to rejoin the season.

    As an aside, LT’s post have been on fire the last few weeks….great work.

  107. hunter1909 says:

    MEMO TO KATZ: Why have Kevin Lowe as president, when his fricking son is a Carolina Hurricane? Um, isn’t that called conflict of interest, or was that concept abolished in the 1980′s when you first began your business career?

    Messier can easily replace Kevin Lowe, but has to be informed the team has young stars who for every intent and purpose are bigger than the team. MacT is a good guy and can stay on for another year maybe, but Lowe simply must be fired. Steve Smith and Bucky too.

    note: Katz obviously loves something about the current stink.

  108. Woodguy says:

    Apparently Darren Dreger said the Leafs shouldn’t give up Reimer if offered Yak.

    I apologize to Oiler fans.

    Everyone connected to the NHL has completely lost their shit regarding Yak and the Oilers.

    Lordy.

  109. hunter1909 says:

    LOL at the weeping and knashing of teeth if/when Yakupov is traded and instantly blossoms into a superstar…making the many years wailing over Jason Arnott look like small potatoes in comparison.

  110. TheGreatMutato says:

    hunter1909:
    Add Gretzky eventually of course, great idea to hire Gretzky’s uber hot wayward daughter Paula in some fantastic capacity, giving Dad a warm fuzzy feeling when he sees her doing something civic.

    Paulina Gretzky can take the reins of the Edmonton Oilers’ official Twitter account – creating an industry leading bastion of hot-tub-selfies and boobshots. And then we can finally get on to the really important hockey rumours in Edmonton – her on-again, off-again romance with famed Oilers legend Gord Mark.

  111. hunter1909 says:

    Trusting in Lowe/MacT is like giving Bernie Madoff your family savings for safekeeping.

    Ok. That’s maybe going to far. How about: Giving your drunken Irish cousin your apartment to look after while you go away for a month?

  112. hunter1909 says:

    TheGreatMutato: Paulina Gretzky can take the reins of the Edmonton Oilers’ official Twitter account – creating an industry leading bastion of hot-tub-selfies and boobshots.And then we can get on to the really important hockey rumours in Edmonton – her on-again, off-again romace with famed Oilers legend Gord Mark.

    This.

  113. spoiler says:

    Bob Stauffer ‏@Bob_Stauffer 4h

    The Yakupov for Miller-Vanek RUMOUR is absolutely absurd! Makes no sense on numerous fronts…ain’t happening!

    Let this be a lesson to all of us… Don’t believe any rumours unless they appear on TreenasOil.

  114. VanOil says:

    Woodguy:
    Jonathan Willis ‏@JonathanWillis 4m

    First 53 career NHL games. John Tavares: 17G-16A-33PTS, -8. Taylor Hall: 17G-16A-33PTS, -7. Nail Yakupov: 17G-14A-31PTS, -8.

    This can not be quoted enough.
    I like the lines and hope they gel.
    Dubby just needs one or two big saves in the first and we and the team will calm down an support him.

  115. Lynas1 says:

    Woodguy:
    Apparently Darren Dreger said the Leafs shouldn’t give up Reimer if offered Yak.

    I apologize to Oiler fans.

    Everyone connected to the NHL has completely lost their shit regarding Yak and the Oilers.

    Lordy.

    Am I the only one who would consider moving Eberle before Yakupov? Laugh if you want to, but I would.

  116. RexLibris says:

    I’m wondering if I should try and apply some of my Greg Chase voodoo on Yakupov.

  117. Lowetide says:

    The internet is broken. Al Gore is ruined.

  118. Lynas1 says:

    TSN reported Edmonton is one of the 8 teams miller said no to in his modified NTC. So not likely he waives it to make a trade.

  119. Lois Lowe says:

    I kind of take a perverse pleasure in watching the opposing team’s feed when streaming Oiler games. It’s nice to hear the PBP guys talk about what they’re seeing. I expect the Islanders media to be fairly charitable tonight.

  120. Lowetide says:

    This is a major game in the careers of Dubnyk and Yakupov. That’s how much pressure is on this organization. It’s going to blow up one way or another. I don’t remember this much October pressure since Dave Winfield

  121. VanOil says:

    I recall one or two great Oilers games in that dump of a rink. One more please.

  122. Dominoiler says:

    Alright, Lets Go Dubbie!!..

    wrt all this Yakupov trade talk, its, imo, all due to the general lack of creativity from the msm.. Yak is fresh on their minds because of the HS’s, but this the a Kypreos level of cognition to slap the oilers trade needs and yak together.. its too easy to write that column, just hope im right and that there is no fire and just a msm smoke machine..

  123. Lowetide says:

    Crap! Hemsky could have really helped with a goal there.

  124. spoiler says:

    Damn, puck rolled on Hemmer… rushed it a little.

  125. hunter1909 says:

    Another clutch play by Hemsky.

    Arcobello = J.F. Jacques 2.0 (OTC)

    Only a matter of time before Horcoff returns, ffs what a despicable professional sports franchise.

  126. Dominoiler says:

    Hemsky!!.. C’mon!!..

    I like hemmer w gordon n smyth, hope it works..

  127. VanOil says:

    Yak loves his bank passes

  128. spoiler says:

    Who is this passing Yakupov, lol.

  129. Lowetide says:

    Crap. Breakaway for Hall but nothing, not even a shot. Lordy.

  130. spoiler says:

    The puck they’re using tonight came without handles.

  131. hunter1909 says:

    Look out when they become the Brooklyn islanders.

  132. fuzzy muppet says:

    Dubnyk looks shaky as hell already

  133. DBO says:

    anyone have the streaming feed for the game? stuck at the office.

  134. hunter1909 says:

    How do you measure ‘lack of respect’ shown from the opposition?

    Oilers are like the president’s trophy candidates for that booby prize.

  135. spoiler says:

    Yak the playmaker again… Posts up at the blue line and feeds a sweet pass thru to the Nuge.

  136. spoiler says:

    Only the 3rd whistle of the game and we’re halfway through the 1st. Doobie, the one playing, has done well to calm my nerves so far this game

  137. Lowetide says:

    Oilers doing lots of things well, but there’s absolutely no execution. They seem…wooden. Need to get a break and then a flood.

    The question is, which way? 5-1 or 1-5?

  138. hunter1909 says:

    spoiler:
    Yak the playmaker again… Posts up at the blue line and feeds a sweet pass thru to the Nuge.

    Sorry I missed that.

    Too busy trolling – my own team. Like shooting fish in a barrel, everything they do is just wrong, lol.

  139. Zelepukin says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    Dubnyk looks shaky as hell already

    granted they are the type of shots that you do not want to face right off the bat. Nothing but point shots through a sea of players.

  140. Lois Lowe says:

    The Islanders announcers said the Oilers were struggling to score goals.

    NYI GF – 19

    EDM GF – 21

  141. hunter1909 says:

    That Vishnovsky guy looks like a player.

  142. Andropod says:

    TheOtherJohn,

    “Andropod

    You have no clue how well funded hockey operation were subsequent to the work stoppage in 04/05 salary cap. To do that you would have to look at the books and records of the hockey club, both by EIG and by the Katz group. Not sure how a call to the “Board” helps your argument in any way. Not aware of anyone posting here that has access to those year over year records. Most people here try to make arguments based on facts. Anecdotal geez EIg were skkinflints post work stoppage and Katz group is now flush with cash is 100% rumour. What’s next I know someone who knows soneone who knows what the pro scouting budget was 06/07 and now its 40% more?”

    Andropod> Read the post Dude. I do not pretend to be expert nor do I pretend to have any more of a clue than you do.
    The difference between 05/06 and the remaining years under the EIG was the Salary Cap. You know that that is, right? It meant that the big spending teams had to cut their payroll.
    If you are trying to state that the EIG had similar financial resources to those of Katz, or that the operation as a whole was much more than a shoestring operation battling to even keep up with the cap of the day, then, well, I’ll leave it at that.

  143. spoiler says:

    Bloody Hell

  144. hunter1909 says:

    lol soft so soft.

    Dubnyk lmao

  145. Lowetide says:

    1-0 Islanders, bad bounce for belov there and no one covering the Islander forward (Bailey).

  146. spoiler says:

    Penalty. Bloody Hell.

  147. spoiler says:

    hunter1909: lol soft so soft.Dubnyk lmao

    How was that one on Dubnyk? Bailey all alone and point fucking blank.

  148. Lowetide says:

    hunter1909:
    lol soft so soft.

    Dubnyk lmao

    That’s not on Dubnyk. Who was covering the C?

  149. Ribs says:

    Right through the swarm-hole.

  150. D says:

    I’m watching the Islanders feed on my NHL account and the commentator told the play-by-play announcer that the Islanders really need to “get a lot of pucks on this guy” – “they can score five or six tonight.”

  151. leadfarmer says:

    Lowetide,

    His name is “Chance” and not “Finish” for a reason.

  152. sliderule says:

    Hall and Berle both arrive late.Hall drifts aimlessly to half wall and ebs gets close but does nothing.

    That goal is on those two.

  153. russ99 says:

    Can’t blame Dubnyk on that one, but it sure would be nice if he’d stone a guy on one of those breakdowns.

  154. spoiler says:

    This puck really does need handles.

  155. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers trying to play no contact hockey. Too bad the other 29 teams won’t let them.

  156. spoiler says:

    Ribs: Right through the swarm-hole.

    The swarm hadn’t even arrived yet.

  157. russ99 says:

    Man, they’re sluggish tonight.

    I hope they get going halfway through the first like in Pittsburgh.

  158. spoiler says:

    hunter1909: Oilers trying to play no contact hockey. Too bad the other 29 teams won’t let them.

    Posted right after Perron pastes a player in the NYI corner.

  159. Gret99zky says:

    Lowetide:
    Oilers doing lots of things well, but there’s absolutely no execution.

    Rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat, rinse…..

  160. Lynas1 says:

    Holy shit! So west coast is out of market, and NHL.com says the NYI are out of market for me. Wtf is in market for the Atlantic provences?!?

  161. spoiler says:

    Puck bounces have been a 3 goal swing already this game. Hemsky then Hall then Belov. Unbelievable.

  162. hunter1909 says:

    Any fool can see that Eakins’ has creatively handicapped the entire team.

    They’re all playing scared, and freaked out, and it’s rotten stinking hockey.

  163. Dominoiler says:

    wrt the GA, imo
    Not on Dubbie, and not on the swarm.. ebs n jultz (et al) were watching the puck, then bam..

    (I do like the term ‘swarm hole’, tho,.. made me laugh)

  164. Lowetide says:

    Goal, Chance.

  165. fuzzy muppet says:

    Hallsy! Arco starts it

  166. Lynas1 says:

    Hall from schult and arco

  167. Andropod says:

    Lynas1,

    It’s live on Sports Net West. Channel 223 on Shaw. No PPV or anything like that.

  168. spoiler says:

    Bloody Hall!

    Hall from Schultz and Arco with maybe one too many passes.

  169. Lowetide says:

    Hall (J Schultz, Arcobello)

  170. Henry says:

    Ok that is the goal of the year.

  171. Dominoiler says:

    What a feed, jultz redeemed..

  172. russ99 says:

    hunter1909:
    Any fool can see that Eakins’ has creatively handicapped the entire team.

    They’re all playing scared, and freaked out, and it’s rotten stinking hockey.

    Iw as thinking same thing too, but they broke out of the morass in Pitt.

    Hope that happens tonight at some point too.

  173. spoiler says:

    Yeaaaaaahhhh Baaaaaabyyyyyy!

    Bloody bloody Hall.

  174. striatic says:

    That was a nice change of pace.

  175. Lynas1 says:

    Wow

  176. fuzzy muppet says:

    Hallsy! Arco with another point!

  177. VanOil says:

    5-1 in the first would be nice

  178. Lowetide says:

    Hall (J Schultz) 8 seconds later

  179. hunter1909 says:

    ‘…with 6 stanley cup rings to show for it’ guess who?

  180. russ99 says:

    Damn, Schultzy’s passes and skating are like velvet. If he ever bulks up and learns the tricks do the trade on D…

    Oh yeah!! Hall!!

  181. spoiler says:

    hunter1909: Any fool can see that Eakins’ has creatively handicapped the entire team. They’re all playing scared, and freaked out, and it’s rotten stinking hockey.

    Hunter, what game are you watching?

  182. Gret99zky says:

    Puck luck? Nice.

    Hall with a chance at the hatty.

  183. bookje says:

    Arcebello will never make it in the NHL. He is too small and the NHL game is too fast for him.

    Said – everybody

  184. danny says:

    leadfarmer:
    Lowetide,

    His name is “Chance” and not “Finish” for a reason.

    smirk

  185. striatic says:

    More.

    More.

  186. DBO says:

    well that is fun. Arco will stay up I suppose.

  187. Lynas1 says:

    Andropod:
    Lynas1,

    It’s live on Sports Net West. Channel 223 on Shaw. No PPV or anything like that.

    I’m out of market for sports net west. In Newfoundland.

  188. striatic says:

    i think they’re going to need every goal they can get.

  189. Lowetide says:

    Hall (Arcobello, Eberle)

  190. fuzzy muppet says:

    bookje,

    I am Fully a convert on Arcobello. He can play. I don’t think he will drive the play, but he definitely can keep up and deserves to stay when 89 is back

  191. hunter1909 says:

    outstanding save by the Dubnyk.

  192. SK Oiler Fan says:

    There’s maybe 15 players in the league that would have the patience and vision to pull off the play that j shultz just put on display.

  193. ASkoreyko says:

    leadfarmer:
    Lowetide,

    His name is “Chance” and not “Finish” for a reason.

    lol

  194. Jon K says:

    Did someone mention a flood?

    I’m starting to really like Arcobello. He doesn’t have size or much of a shot, but he can distribute the puck at an NHL level, no doubt about it.

  195. VanOil says:

    Lowetide,

    NHL is saying Arco A on both

  196. Andropod says:

    Lynas1,

    Who is your cable provider?

  197. spoiler says:

    Lowetide: Hall (Schultz, Eberle) Is that right?

    The NHL says no.

    http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20132014/GS020098.HTM

  198. Lynas1 says:

    Lowetide,

    Oilers site says yes LT

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