PUTTING OUT FIRE WITH GASOLINE

As we wait for Craig MacTavish to find a goaltender (and he will), this is a period where the Oilers may be well served in giving Jason LaBarbera a long look as the starter. I think it’s a good idea for two reasons:

  1. Giving LaBarbera several starts in a row will give the veteran a chance to prove he can handle a bigger workload. He worked in 15 of 48 games a year ago, which is 31% (or 25 games in a full season). I’d give him the start in Washington and Pittsburgh.
  2. Giving Dubnyk time to right the ship. I’m not smart enough to know what the problem is with DD, but this isn’t the same guy. New equipment, new baby, you might laugh but NHL history is full of stories about goaltenders and the things that drive them to distraction (Jacques Plante: air conditioning).

If I’m MacT this is a time to say the right things about Dubnyk, find out how far you can stretch LaBarbera, and work the phones in an effort to acquire a third goaltender (that’s right, a third goaltender)  who may end up being the Oilers goalie for the playoff runs 2014-2025. I’d also call up Richard Bachman after tonight’s Barons game and have him in Washington tomorrow night. Give Dubnyk some nights in the gondola to re-set.

POSSIBLE GOALIE ACQUISITIONS

  1. Ryan Miller, Buffalo. He’s going to cost you a pile of assets. A guess would be things start with a healthy Sam Gagner and one assumes the Oilers first rounder might be in play. He’s UFA right away, this cannot be an attractive option for MacTavish.
  2. Ilya Bryzgalov, UFA. Attractive that he’s a free agent and would cost only money, but there’s a pile of baggage attached and it isn’t clear he’s a better option than a head-on-straight Dubnyk. I’d keep that one in my back pocket for now.
  3. Ferderik Andersen, Norfolk. I have no idea if Anaheim would move him, but if the Oilers want to take a chance on a young goalie with a solid to excellent resume, this would be a nice option.

WHY HAVE YOU TURNED ON DUBNYK?

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I’m a Dubnyk fan, have been since his junior days when he played on a horrible WHL team (DD has never been on a good hockey club since he was drafted–since 2001, he has played in 10 playoff games. Incredible). The Edmonton Oilers need Devan Dubnyk to be better. Starting now. And they cannot afford to give him any more major league at-bats to find his way. Whatever the solution, be it the AHL or practice, or a week at home with his family or sleeping in his equipment, Devan Dubnyk needs to find his comfort zone, to find whatever has left him.

I’m hopeful he regains his game and has a long run as the Oilers starter, but right now he’s putting out fire with gasoline. And he needs to find his game outside the NHL crease.

The Oilers can’t afford this anymore.

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186 Responses to "PUTTING OUT FIRE WITH GASOLINE"

  1. DBO says:

    Well, I would have said “Easy tiger” to all of you if not for last night. I do agree the pads thing is an issue. He lost 1.5 inches of length, which means his five hole is more exposed when he butterfly’s (see the tying and winning goal). Equipment issues take a good while (like 20 games) to really get a handle on. We may not have that long, so we have to hope Labarbera can step up.

    Goalie targets? I actually think Theodore may be a cheap option. We could carry 3 goalies, and he has been known to go on runs before. He may at least settle it down, and it would only cost us money. I would not start making panic deals. Adding a vet who may be Dubnyk’s equivalent, and should be an upgrade on Labarbera, may be best bet. Not a cure all, just a band aid. But I think Dubnyk will settle down and play well sooner rather then later. Issue is simply to get to the 20 game mark without being out of it.

  2. Zipdot says:

    It’s hard not to just say “he’s a bum,” so good on you for that. But I don’t think we’re looking at an NHL goalie here. His W/L record is deplorable. Maybe his good stats from the last couple years were an outlier. He gives me no confidence; imagine how his team feels.

  3. russ99 says:

    But what happens when LaBarbara is left out to dry by the same mistakes and sloppy play that Dubnyk couldn’t bail us out from?

    We’d need an all-star goalie to make up for our overall defensive play so far this season.

    Maybe that “bold move” should be on defense rather than in goal.

  4. striatic says:

    I think you throw a fistful of goalies at this problem and see what happens.

    Bryz looks like a damn good option right now, and that’s saying a lot.

    Bachman, you’ve got to give him a crack at it too.

    My personal favourite option is to try to pry Viktor Fasth out of Anahiem, but I think this will take a little too much in the way of return to be worth it.

  5. Lowetide says:

    russ99:
    But what happens when LaBarbara is left out to dry by the same mistakes and sloppy play that Dubnyk couldn’t bail us out from?

    We’d need an all-star goalie to make up for our overall defensive play so far this season.

    Maybe that “bold move” should be on defense rather than in goal.

    I think the Lupul goal is an interesting case. Because, I’m not sure J Schultz’s job is to be cover guy on that one (F coming back, no?) so the swarm needs to be explained at some level. I agree the blue could use some help, but there’s bleeding and then there’s bleeding out.

  6. Woodguy says:

    I really hope he doesn’t chase Miller.

    Spending assets to acquire a player in his UFA year is something you contemplate on a cup run, not when you are establishing yourself as a playoff team.

    Here’s a funny stat:

    MIller has posted an unworldly .941 so far this year and is 0-4-0 as BUF has 6 goals in 6 games.

    I’d be ok with Miller if its inexpensive, but I shudder at the cost.

    I think that over the long term MIller and DD have been near equal in terms of SV%, but this Oiler team makes the playoffs with an average goalie and DD is far from average right now.

    DD has a .829 right now.

    If he starts in WAS and pitches a 35 shot shut out, he moves up to .869

    Lordy the hole is deep early.

  7. mumbai max says:

    What about Lehner in OTT. There have been numerous trade rumors involving the Sens, perhaps we can built a larger trade that works for everyone.

  8. Lowetide says:

    Hey gents, I notice we’re all up early. Bet we didn’t sleep worth shit. :-) I love this team and they haven’t cost me sleep in years, but last night wsa a true back breaker. I feel badly for Dubnyk but we knew some wouldn’t make it to the end of the line. I still hold out hope for him.

  9. jb says:

    Running with Labarbara seems like the Tambellini plan of action. You can’t go into the playoffs comfortable with Jason Labarbara as your #1.. it’s a waste of time imo.

    Goaltending issues are usually magnified by defeciencies elsewhere… I think most fan hate on goaltending once they believe they see a “good enough to win it” team infront of them. We’re not there yet, and this teams far from perfect outside of goaltending issues.

    I’ve yet to see proof that Dubyk is good enough for us to excell in the playoffs though. You need to know your goalies not letting in that last minute goal.

  10. Lowetide says:

    “Confidence is contagious. So is lack of confidence.” – Vince Lombardi

    Tweeted by Dave Falk just now.

  11. Woodguy says:

    russ99:
    But what happens when LaBarbara is left out to dry by the same mistakes and sloppy play that Dubnyk couldn’t bail us out from?

    We’d need an all-star goalie to make up for our overall defensive play so far this season.

    Maybe that “bold move” should be on defense rather than in goal.

    The Oilers are 9th in the NHL in terms of 5v5 Shots against per 60. Defence isn’t the problem:

    Team SA60
    Minnesota Wild 16.5
    San Jose Sharks 21.2
    Pittsburgh Penguins 23.8
    Chicago Blackhawks 24.6
    New Jersey Devils 25.2
    Los Angeles Kings 25.4
    Tampa Bay Lightning 25.6
    St. Louis Blues 26.5
    Edmonton Oilers 26.7
    Boston Bruins 28.1
    Montréal Canadiens 28.3
    Anaheim Ducks 28.8
    Nashville Predators 29.5
    Vancouver Canucks 29.8
    Columbus Blue Jackets 30.3
    Washington Capitals 30.4
    Phoenix Coyotes 30.9
    New York Islanders 31.5
    Detroit Red Wings 31.8
    Calgary Flames 32.1
    Dallas Stars 32.2
    Carolina Hurricanes 32.6
    Philadelphia Flyers 33.3
    Florida Panthers 33.3
    Toronto Maple Leafs 33.7
    Winnipeg Jets 34.3
    New York Rangers 34.3
    Colorado Avalanche 34.5
    Buffalo Sabres 34.9
    Ottawa Senators 36.5

    WTF is in the water in MIN?

    They are killing it in every category this year.

  12. Woodguy says:

    mumbai max:
    What about Lehner in OTT. There have been numerous trade rumors involving the Sens, perhaps we can built a larger trade that works for everyone.

    Lehner is their plan long term.

    I doubt the re-sign Anderson after next year if Lehner is ready.

    Doubtful they trade him.

  13. Lowetide says:

    jb:
    Running with Labarbara seems like the Tambellini plan of action. You can’t go into the playoffs comfortable with Jason Labarbara as your #1.. it’s a waste of time imo.

    Goaltending issues are usually magnified by defeciencies elsewhere… I think most fan hate on goaltending once they believe they see a “good enough to win it” team infront of them. We’re not there yet, and this teams far from perfect outside of goaltending issues.

    I’ve yet to see proof that Dubyk is good enough for us to excell in the playoffs though. You need to know your goalies not letting in that last minute goal.

    LaBarbera’s never been a starter in the NHL but he’s certainly capable of running with the net for a few games.
    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2013/08/re-13-14-jason-labarbera-strangers-when-we-meet.html

  14. Colonel Obvious says:

    Play LaBarbera. Hope.

    The big problem is if all this talk starts infecting the other players. That team played with confidence last night. It was wonderful to see.

    The other story from the game was that Joensu–Gordon–Perron were absolutely brutalized. They had the tough zone starts but they were destroyed. Everyone else comes out looking like roses but that line was in tough.

    For all Yak’s youth and mistakes, other players make mistakes too. Yakupov needs back in the lineup and Mike Brown needs to sit. Put Joensu on the fourth line, spot him an occasional shift for Yakupov and Smyth, and then adjust on the fly.

    Oh, and Arcobello better be told to find a place to live. The coach thinks he can play. I know this because he kept on sending him out there while Acton rode the pine. Arcobello is the good news out of all of this. A fourth line of Joensu–Arcobello–Gadzik might actually be useful, and if not, double shift the wingers, give RNH a break once and a while, and this team can really come in waves.

    The other missing story from last night was Belov. That sure looked like his best game.

    Finally, if we must trade for a goalie, please let it be someone with upside rather than a “proven” winner. There is no such thing. Anybody can suck at anytime. And we should be trading defensemen, anybody but Petry or J Schultz, not Yakupov or first round picks that might end up in the lottery.

    I’d be a lot happier with Smid for Lehner than anything else, but I don’t think that fits their style.

    The Blues don’t need anything we have. I’d trade our second round pick for Brian Elliott, I guess. And if I were them I’d do that too. However, they have no reason to panic and they could get that later in the season. That’s the problem the only way to get someone right now is to overpay, and to overpay a lot, or to find a team that is in need as well.

    That’s Buffalo, which is a terrible option. Maybe Neuvirth, out of Washington. They could probably use a defensemen. That might be the best option, but their goaltending hasn’t been good either so they aren’t going to trade one of their guys until they have somethng better.

    I really can’t find a match. We’re stuck with what we have.

  15. Andropod says:

    You nailed it LT, and we probably need to do this in 2 stages: Get a goalie who is at least as good as Dubnyk has been to get us into the playoffs and then next year make it our priority to get a goalie that can backstop this team to the promised land.

    One thing though, it’s hard to say Dubnyk is not a championship goalie. We’ve all seen him rise to that occasion in other settings.

    Our first born never slept more than 30 minutes at a time for the first 3 months of his life. If I was a goalie I would have been pathetic too. Could sleep deprivation be at the core of his woes?

  16. dawgtoy says:

    For the first time EVER, I actually disagree with you LT. The three headed goaltending nightmare will only add to the dysfunction. IMO, you must play the backup and hope he stops the bleeding. You can’t look past Monday. If he stops the bleeding you go back to him, if he doesn’t you switch. I can’t see any situation that warrants bringing in three keepers. It just doesn’t work. A trade likely may be coming, and as we know MacT admits he isn’t a patient man. This likely is eating him alive.

  17. dangilitis says:

    LT, agree with most everything here but I think if you brought Bachmann up and took Dubnyk off the bench, that would not be a great idea. If Dubnyk’s riding pine it means he’s trying to get his game back and the team still believes in him. If the AHL call-up is taking his spot as backup it means MacT wants him out of town, and we don’t need him to broadcast this to the rest of the league again. It will hurt whatever value he has left at present and makes the Oilers look as desperate as they will be come trade time. The best gamble is to eventually play DD more as he can’t be any worse than he has been

  18. mumbai max says:

    Woodguy: Lehner is their plan long term.

    I doubt the re-sign Anderson after next year if Lehner is ready.

    Doubtful they trade him.

    I wonder if a 1st round pick and Smid would change their mind. Anderson is only 32, and goalies start and end later, so he probably has lots of good years left. It would be great to have a legit up and coming #1. Lehner to the Oil! I am starting a rumor.

  19. Clarkenstein says:

    Anybody that feels Dubnyk is a quality NHL tender is dreaming in technicolor. Many of us on here have been beat up over the years for stating this. His sample size was too small for the contract extended to him. This team never learns that for some reason… see Khabi’s contract. Do you get a $4M contract just for showing up I wonder? The size of the pads is bullshit IMO. He is just slow to react, ie. getting up when down, and if I can sit on the couch and see that all you have to do is go top corner on him then imagine what kind of info shooters have. He is not the solution. I’d put him on waivers (hoping somebody claims that contract) and send him to OKC until he remembers how to play.
    A couple days ago I remember him smugly saying something to the effect… “I’m not going to let in 5 goals every game!” He was right… he let in 6.

  20. Woodguy says:

    mumbai max: I wonder if a 1st round pick and Smid would change their mind. Anderson is only 32, and goalies start and end later, so he probably has lots of good years left. It would be great to have a legit up and coming #1. Lehner to the Oil! I am starting a rumor.

    Given:
    -OTT’s budget constraints
    -that it will probably cost at least $4MM to sign Anderson after next year
    -Lehrner is RFA after this year and RFA backup goalies tend to sign for under $2MM

    Its a really, really, really thin stretch that OTT gives him up.

  21. sliderule says:

    I think the oil are stuck with Dubnyk for a couple more weeks.
    There haven’t been enough games and injuries for teams to know their weakness.
    Defencemen get injured and to me it looks like the oil have an excess.
    Forget about trading our first rounder unless they lottery protect it

  22. bookje says:

    Woodguy – I think MacT needs to calm down and take a lesson from Tambellini here and let things play out. The law of averages suggests that Dubnyk is bound to have some outstanding games here soon if they let him work through things.

  23. bookje says:

    Woodguy’s head explodes :)

    in case its not clear – I was not at all serious with that comment.

  24. Lowetide says:

    Clarkenstein:
    Anybody that feels Dubnyk is a quality NHL tender is dreaming in technicolor. Many of us on here have been beat up over the years for stating this. His sample size was too small for the contract extended to him. This team never learns that for some reason… see Khabi’s contract. Do you get a $4M contract just for showing up I wonder? The size of the pads is bullshit IMO. He is just slow to react, ie. getting up when down, and if I can sit on the couch and see that all you have to do is go top corner on him then imagine what kind of info shooters have. He is not the solution. I’d put him on waivers (hoping somebody claims that contract) and send him to OKC until he remembers how to play.
    A couple days ago I remember him smugly saying something to the effect… “I’m not going to let in 5 goals every game!” He was right… he let in 6.

    Ahem.

    “The Dubnyk deal is an overpay of no small proportion. I would have thought $1.8M times two years would have been sufficient. I’m probably missing something, but this contract doesn’t buy much in the way of free agent years and doesn’t give Edmonton enough time to ensure he’s a true #1. Baffling.”

    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2012/07/oilers-sign-dubnyk-petry.html

  25. Woodguy says:

    Colonel Obvious,

    The other story from the game was that Joensu–Gordon–Perron were absolutely brutalized. They had the tough zone starts but they were destroyed. Everyone else comes out looking like roses but that line was in tough.

    I know that Eakins loves Hemsky up with Hall, but having Hemsky with Gordon improves that line immensely in terms of shot differential against good players.

    You’re right that Gordon got the Maholtra treatment last night:

    Here’s the % of the time an Oiler player started in the Dzone last night:

    Player DZSt%
    Boyd Gordon 72.70%
    Will Acton 66.70%
    David Perron 61.50%
    Jesse Joensuu 57.10%
    Nick Schultz 53.30%
    Andrew Ference 53.30%
    Mike Brown 33.30%
    Luke Gazdic 33.30%
    Devan Dubnyk 31.00%
    Ryan Smyth 25.00%
    Ladislav Smid 23.10%
    Jordan Eberle 23.10%
    Mark Arcobello 23.10%
    Jeff Petry 20.00%
    Justin Schultz 16.70%
    Anton Belov 15.40%
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 13.30%
    Taylor Hall 12.50%
    Ales Hemsky 0.00%

    http://www.extraskater.com/game/2013-10-12-oilers-maple-leafs

    I really love the way Eakins coaches and deploys the troiops.

    Miles and miles ahead of Gilderoy Lockheart.

    Here’s who Gordon matched up against last night in terms of forwards:

    Forward 1 Forward 2 Forward 3 Frequency
    DAVID BROLL NAZEM KADRI JOFFREY LUPUL 33.33%
    JAMES VAN RIEMSDYK TYLER BOZAK PHIL KESSEL 11.54%
    MASON RAYMOND NAZEM KADRI JOFFREY LUPUL 11.54%
    JAMES VAN RIEMSDYK JAY MCCLEMENT DAVE BOLLAND 8.97%
    JOSH LEIVO JAY MCCLEMENT DAVE BOLLAND 7.69%
    JOSH LEIVO DAVE BOLLAND MASON RAYMOND 7.69%
    CARTER ASHTON JAY MCCLEMENT COLTON ORR 6.41%

    http://www.leftwinglock.com/line-matching/index.php?teamid=EDM&playername=GORDON+BOYD&strength=EV&teamopp=TOR&playertype=F&gamedate=2013-10-12&leform=lesent#A

    Looks like Carlyle was trying to keep Kessel away from him, or was happy with Kessel vs. RNH’s line.

  26. Henry says:

    It seems to me that the reason to get a proven veteran backup goaltender is to provide his service for just this sort of situation. LaBarbara was hired to take care of the net when something is wrong that hopefully has a short term solution. Would we be trading our first or Gagner or Yak for Miller or whomever if Dubnyk was playing ok, but had pulled a groin or was on the concussion protocol?

    MacT has to ask himself what Holmgren would do then take a breath and ask himself what he wants to do.

  27. Woodguy says:

    bookje:
    Woodguy’s head explodes

    in case its not clear – I was not at all serious with that comment.

    I’m worried that MacT will move too slowly.

    I’m also worried that MacT will move too fast.

    I love being an Oiler fan!

  28. bookje says:

    I think Dubnyk’s sideburns hurt him here. If the coaches feel that he has been a dedicated and focused guy, they would be more inclined to give him some time, but I have always had the sense that there have been questions regarding his attitude. I don’t know if that is true.

  29. Andropod says:

    This might also be a good time to see how talented our Sports Psychologist is. As most of you folks know, the more stressed a person is, the more adrenalin there is in their body, the less they are able to think clearly, and the more they default into fight or flight. Dubs personality appears to default to flight when the stress gets to him, fortunately in the past he had a high stress threshold.

    Unfortunately that threshold seems to have been breached, who knows, perhaps a combination of the equipment and the domestic situation, which results in an otherwise good-ish goalie becoming awful.

    But then, do you recall when it was a neck and neck for some time between DD and JDD? IIRC DD won for his potential upside. Do we simply have a goalie whose realistic level of play is that of JDD?

    Whatever, I agree that he will need to win his way back outside of the NHL – AHL if he is lucky – while we run around looking for boxes of band aids.

  30. gr8one says:

    mumbai max,

    The ship sailed on being a young goalie out of Ottawa when we missed out on Bishop, if a goalie were to be traded from Ottawa now it would be Anderson.

    My solution would be to sign Bryz, keep Dubie as the back up and let him find his game…Bryz isgoing to be very motivated to play well.

    Hell, if we did that and Dubie gets his game back we might even be able to flip Bryz at the deadline for an asset.

  31. sliderule says:

    Marincin and Yakupov both scratched last night.

    Who would they be thinking trading these two for?

  32. Woodguy says:

    gr8one:
    mumbai max,

    The ship sailed on being a young goalie out of Ottawa when we missed out on Bishop, if a goalie were to be traded from Ottawa now it would be Anderson.

    My solution would be to sign Bryz, keep Dubie as the back up and let him find his game…Bryz isgoing to be very motivated to play well.

    Hell, if we did that and Dubie gets his game back we might even be able to flip Bryz at the deadline for an asset.

    From what I hear Jackassalini had marching orders to get Bishop.

    He offered Jones (expiring contract) and a pick.

    When MacT/Lowe saw that Bishop went for a Conacher and a 4th and that ST hadn’t followed up on what the market was shaping up to be for Bishop, that his fate was sealed.

  33. DBO says:

    sliderule,

    Miller and Myers. vomit.

  34. oliveoilers says:

    Before someone utter the first rounder for Schneider deal, because I know the post “how’s that deal look now, MacT” is marching with ill considered optimism towards the thread, let me re-iterate: That wasn’t the price quoted to MacT.

    I say ‘quoted’ because it was an old contractor trick of whilst not actually laughing in your face, they just jack the price and say “oh, sorry, maybe we can do business in the future” when you baulk at the price. Then they laugh when you leave or put the phone down.

  35. Big Dan says:

    Play Labarbera? LT, I hope I’m wrong but I said this before. He stinks. They blew it passing on Khudonin – who is a rising star never given a chance in Minnesota for a few years.

    Our best option believe it or not is Richard Bachman, and that’s not saying much. He had pretty good numbers a couple years ago when Lehtonen went down in Dallas. Last year, the Dallas defense was a complete mess after Souray left so let’s give the kid a shot. We got nothing to lose at this point.

    I say DEMOTE DUBNYK TO OKLAHOMA. If by some stroke of luck he gets picked up on waivers, we can use his roster spot on Ilya Bryzgalov or Jose Theodore. If not, let him find his game in Oklahoma for however long it takes. We’ll have the most expensive AHL team in history (Ryan Jones, Ben Eager, Corey Potter on one-way deals already, I believe + Denis Grebeshkov on conditioning stint + Ryan Hamilton & Phil Larsen going to be up and down making nice coin).

    Dubnyk won’t get claimed though. We play Bachman (you’ll see – Labarbera is a sieve) until MacT decides if a Ryan Miller for a 1st rounder trade is possible but only if he’ll resign in Edmonton. I read a Myers/Yakupov may be added to the deal as rumored if the Sabres will take on a couple of guys to clear cap space and roster spots to make the deal work for Edmonton (Nick Schultz, Devan Dubnyk?).

    Or perhaps the Ladi Smid and prospect to Ottawa fro Zack Smith and draft pick will materialize to free up a roster spot… to sign a Theodore or Bryzgalov.

    Dubnyk isn’t the only goalie struggling with new pads. Even Lundqvist looks brutal. I think Dubnyk may be back to normal for 15 games or so but he needs to play to get there. And definitely not in Edmonton.

    Not since Conklin in 2006 – when he signed a #1G deal but then showed up out of shape after the lockout and pulled his groin in training camp – have I seen goaltending this bad. Lowe waited all year before pulling the trigger on Roli and the Oilers just barely made the playoffs. I remember MacT practically begging Lowe through the media with comments like “It’s tough when your team is playing so hard and there’s only one aspect that is holding them back”. I get the impression he’s not as patient and will pull the trigger long before the trade deadline.

    Richard Bachman may become our new Mike Morrison. :)

  36. Henry says:

    gr8one:
    mumbai max,

    The ship sailed on being a young goalie out of Ottawa when we missed out on Bishop, if a goalie were to be traded from Ottawa now it would be Anderson.

    My solution would be to sign Bryz, keep Dubie as the back up and let him find his game…Bryz isgoing to be very motivated to play well.

    Hell, if we did that and Dubie gets his game back we might even be able to flip Bryz at the deadline for an asset.

    That makes some sense. Do they have the cap room for that?

  37. admiralmark says:

    I’ve always preached patience with Dubnyk and have felt with a decent D he would be good enough to take on a playoff run. That has all changed. Lack of mental toughness is so evident. Call it what you will mental errors… Something not new when speaking of Dubnyk is his propensity to let in a weak goal per game. Only now he’s letting in 2 weak goals per game. Not to compare him to Fuhr but it’s ok to let in a few goals in a game like last night.. But MAKE THE SAVE WHEN ITS NEEDED! Shots from the corner over your shoulder? Indicate lack of focus. The OT goal he makes the first save rebound comes directly to the Toronto player and Dubnyk dropped his shoulders before the puck even goes in.. Mental Toughness? None. Time to turn the page. He is not the answer.

  38. magisterrex says:

    I wonder if Miller actually has some negative value to other GMs due to his contract, even if it is an expiring one this year. MacT would be no exception.

    I think MacT finds a Roloson to bring back to YEG; someone with potential and on a value deal, but unappreciated by his current team. Who saw that trade coming when it happened?

  39. Woodguy says:

    Big Dan,

    Richard Bachman may become our new Mike Morrison.

    You know that Mike Morrison’s .891 was one of the reasons the SCF team in 05/06 almost didn’t make the playoffs, right?

  40. LP says:

    Lowetide: I think the Lupul goal is an interesting case.Because, I’m not sure J Schultz’s job is to be cover guy on that one (F coming back, no?) so the swarm needs to be explained at some level. I agree the blue could use some help, but there’s bleeding and then there’s bleeding out.

    I saw that play and immediately thought it was J. Schultz’ error – if your RW isn’t back to cover his man and your other LD is against the boards or to the left – and there is an attacking LW on your right – you take the man and prevent that goal. Instead he went to the left and left Lupul wide open.

    That goal is on Justin Schultz.

    ps. I will take a goal like this from time to time – J. Schultz is wonderful player and will eventually grow and learn. But that goal was on him.

  41. Ben says:

    Why not swap out DD and Bachman for a few games – see if he can work through whatever mechanical problems in a lower-stakes environment?

  42. Woodguy says:

    magisterrex:
    I wonder if Miller actually has some negative value to other GMs due to his contract, even if it is an expiring one this year. MacT would be no exception.

    I think MacT finds a Roloson to bring back to YEG; someone with potential and on a value deal, but unappreciated by his current team. Who saw that trade coming when it happened?

    We were all begging for Roloson by Christmas.

    He was the obvious target with Fernandez playing most of the games in MIN.

    Lowe took far too long to pull the trigger.

  43. Woodguy says:

    In case anyone needs a refresher on the Oiler’s goaltending in 05/06

    Jussi Markkanen 0.880
    Michael Morrison 0.884
    Dwayne Roloson 0.905
    Ty Conklin 0.880

    Just a giant bag of suck with Rolli rising.

  44. Henry says:

    magisterrex:
    I wonder if Miller actually has some negative value to other GMs due to his contract, even if it is an expiring one this year. MacT would be no exception.

    I think MacT finds a Roloson to bring back to YEG; someone with potential and on a value deal, but unappreciated by his current team. Who saw that trade coming when it happened?

    I remember thinking that trade was crazy at the time. Roloson was a quality platoon goalie in Minn, older, going to be a UFA and traded for a first.

    Though he struggled during his first several games, that trade worked out very well. It was bold and risky though.

  45. LP says:

    Now as for Dubnyk… wow.

    I liked him but last night was pathetic. Its not just the bad goals that troubles me the most, its his lack of competitiveness – he seems slow and like he doesn’t *really* want to stop that puck.

    The wrap around is a perfect example.

    Anyways, I have faith in MacT. Something will happen, please make it happen sooner than later.

  46. cabbiesmacker says:

    The potentials with Ottawa for Lehner are amusing. Silly. Inane. Amusing for sure. Not a chance in hell it happens.

    Lots of ifs. IF MacFly is goalie shopping. IF we assume it would be an Eastern conf team.

    I would have no problem with Craig Anderson as one tire kicked. One more year after this one at $3.2 per isn’t unreasonable for a vet who might be able to stem the tide. Would Ottawa take a chance at Dubnyk regaining his form, being younger, and a UFA after this year? I might consider that trade if so.

    I’d also see if the Isles were willing to move Poulin. They have the Swede in the pipe after Nabokov and lots of cap space after this year with only donovan and Moulson to ink.

    Pretty doubtful Anaheim makes a Fasth move with Hiller waffling on hanging in the NHL every year. Fasth is not as young as some might think either and at $2.9 is no huge bargain. Agreed the Anderson kid would be interesting but he may be the man there very shortly.

    Nyet to giving up young tangible assets.

    What’s Fuhr doing these days?

  47. wordbird says:

    russ99:
    But what happens when LaBarbara is left out to dry by the same mistakes and sloppy play that Dubnyk couldn’t bail us out from?

    We’d need an all-star goalie to make up for our overall defensive play so far this season.

    Maybe that “bold move” should be on defense rather than in goal.

    LOTS of blame to go around on the tying goal… Hall had a chance to clear the puck but was too soft/slow. But one more save last night, ONE MORE SAVE, and Dubey’s got the win, joking in post-game interviews about fire-wagon 80′s-OIler hockey. that was always Grant Fuhr’s strength (speaking of the 80s) – shake off the bad goals, make sure you stop the next one. but Dubnyk doesn’t appear to have that in him right now. the net cam replay on that tying goal? DD looks awkward, unsure… broken. Altho can’t blame him on the OT 1 on 3 :/

    as for possible replacements?

    Miller. 33. Cost? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
    Lehner? maybe the best backup in the NHL. Ottawa’s insurance policy, no way in hell they move him.

    Bryz? also 33. Moon Unit personality aside, can he still play? wouldn’t cost a darn thing asset-wise, tho.

    Elliot? if it’s for a 2nd or a prospect, why not?

    The Ducks goalie triumvirate? Supposedly, Hiller is the most likely to be dealt because of age (31) and pending UFa-ness (and to pave the way for John Gibson). but HIller is playing well at the moment. Price? wouldn’t be cheap either.

  48. Woodguy says:

    Someone mentioned not signing Kudobin and signing Labarbera instead as spilled milk.

    Many of us were pulling for MacT to sign Kudobin (but were happy with Labarbera)

    Kudobin is 2-0-0 with a .940 so far in CAR.

    Small sample, but damn.

  49. Lowetide says:

    LP: I saw that play and immediately thought it was J. Schultz’ error – if your RW isn’t back to cover his man and your other LD is against the boards or to the left – and there is an attacking LW on your right –you take the man and prevent that goal. Instead he went to the left and left Lupul wide open.

    That goal is on Justin Schultz.

    ps. I will take a goal like this from time to time – J. Schultz is wonderful player and will eventually grow and learn. But that goal was on him.

    I thought it was on Schultz too, but would like to have someone run that play through for me with the swarm. Our eyes are trained for straight up man to man defense, I’m not sure how zone would work in this case.

  50. LP says:

    Lowetide,

    J.Schultz’ man was Lupul, no?

    To me, it seemed like he went to the left skating backwards when instead he could have went to his right, where Lupul was. The already was another Oiler D was on the left… and weather the coach is asking you to play the zone or man-to-man, it doesn’t matter – in that scenario you should always take the man (Lupul) or prevent the pass.

    Letting the LW take the shot would have been pretty harmless IMO.

  51. Woodguy says:

    Here’s your points leaders on the Oilers after 5 games.

    What do you do with 26 when 89 gets back?

    They love 41, so he stays.

    I think I waive/trade 13 as 20 is better at that job.

    Taylor Hall 5
    Mark Arcobello 5
    Boyd Gordon 4
    Ryan Smyth 4
    David Perron 4
    Jordan Eberle 4
    Ales Hemsky 4
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 3
    Justin Schultz 3
    Jeff Petry 1
    Andrew Ference 1
    Jesse Joensuu 1
    Luke Gazdic 1
    Anton Belov 1
    Ladislav Smid 1
    Will Acton 1
    Nick Schultz 0
    Nail Yakupov 0
    Mike Brown 0
    Ryan Hamilton 0

  52. FastOil says:

    I have griped before about last year’s trade deadline and this summer. The bed for this season has been made and to be rash now can easily damage the future.

    A trade can only be a loss unless a top ten goalie about Dubnyk’s age is available for a fair price. Not likely. Dubnyk will recover, he hasn’t suddenly become a bad goalie. Wait for a UFA, play LaBarbera.

    I think rookie coaches with highly porous systems might be a factor here as well to confidence. I expected more from Eakins in this regard. I don’t know what specifically is not in line with things NHL teams can do but something is wrong.

    With as much firepower as the Oilers have I think a more conservative system would be better and allow the talent to overcome opponents. And it would limit the number of 5 alarm looks on average goalies.

  53. Lowetide says:

    LP:
    Lowetide,

    J.Schultz’ man was Lupul, no?

    To me, it seemed like he went to the left skating backwards when instead he could have went to his right, where Lupul was.The already was another Oiler D was on the left… and weather the coach is asking you to play the zone or man-to-man, it doesn’t matter – in that scenario you should always take the man (Lupul) or prevent the pass.

    Letting the LW take the shot would have been pretty harmless IMO.

    In a straight man to man, Lupul is Schultz’s guy. However, Schultz was over helping the swarm. Is that his job in the swarm? I don’t know.

  54. Henry says:

    Lowetide: I thought it was on Schultz too, but would like to have someone run that play through for me with the swarm. Our eyes are trained for straight up man to man defense, I’m not sure how zone would work in this case.

    Lowetide,

    The winning goal was on two things including Justin Schultz:

    1) The referee’s poor judgement. RNH was held briefly. Then he a stick in his legs and was forearmed from behind. He was dumped leading to a goal. Should be a penalty.

    2) Justin Schultz aggressiveness borders on insanity sometimes. My Mom could see there was trouble on RNH there, but the defenseman went the wrong way.

  55. fuzzy muppet says:

    I think we could be underestimating the effect of pressure on DD. This is the first time in his career that there’s definite pressure. Pressure to be the guy, pressure to win.

    He’s never felt this and it really looks like he’s wilting.

  56. Lowetide says:

    Henry: Lowetide,

    The winning goal was on two things including Justin Schultz:

    1) The referee’s poor judgement.RNH was held briefly.Then he a stick in his legs and was forearmed from behind. He was dumped leading to a goal.Should be a penalty.

    2)Justin Schultz aggressiveness borders on insanity sometimes.My Mom could see there was trouble on RNH there, but the defenseman went the wrong way.

    Sure, but that’s not the goal I’m talking about. I’m talking about the goal Lupul scored when half the ice was clear of orange and blue.

  57. FastOil says:

    The coach can adapt the system to the team. MacT can see this, he knows. The question is whether the brass has such a man crush on Eakins they don’t step in and say there needs to be a slower progression to whatever messed up thing Eakins seems to be shooting for and stick with something tried and true and perhaps more familiar to the players.

  58. 719 says:

    I would prefer to wait until after the road trip to make a move. I would also like the GM to come out and express his confidence in Dubnyk after that summer. Look at the presser with Hemsky, that showed he had alot of confidence in the abilities of Hemsky. It is a terrible thing when you know your boss doesn’t believe in your abilities.

    Looking at the trade options/goalies, I would be happy to wait until after the road trip is done. There are really three possible trade possibilities that I see:

    1. Toronto – Would cost us Gagner plus draft picks or prospects, but we may net Riemer and Gardiner.

    2. Ottawa – Don’t even want to know what it would cost to get Anderson.

    3. Buffalo – Young assets for an aging Miller? Makes no sense to me.

  59. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: I thought it was on Schultz too, but would like to have someone run that play through for me with the swarm. Our eyes are trained for straight up man to man defense, I’m not sure how zone would work in this case.

    As far as I’ve read, D goes to puck carrier with the C.

    If there is a second opponent, the other D comes in.

    Wings slide down to cover passes up the wall and to the front.

    Which Lupul goal is being discussed?

  60. Henry says:

    Lowetide: Sure, but that’s not the goal I’m talking about. I’m talking about the goal Lupul scored when half the ice was clear of orange and blue.

    I realize that. I blame the swarm for that. At that point Toronto scored one on Dubnyk and two on the swarm. The overload on the prior PP goal was strange.

    The wraparound was on Dubie sort of, but JVR had all sort of options there with no one in front.

    Either Schultz wasn’t playing the swarm right or he was (I had the system explained to me by the Winnipeg analyst that contributes to ON now and then), but that system is giving up 10 bell chances repeatedly and the Oilers don’t have the goaltending to back it up.

  61. Woodguy says:

    Just watched the Lupul goal.

    If the C is supposed to be 2nd guy in then 19 is out of position and wandering.

    If the 2nd D is 2nd man in (don’t think he is, but not positive) then Gordon overplayed it.

    GIven how smart Gordon is and how he beelined for the puck carrier, I think 19 left his post.

    57 or 6 busting ass on the backcheck would have helped as well.

    As far as I know (I could be wrong) that the C is 2nd man in, so 19 was sleeping.

  62. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: As far as I’ve read, D goes to puck carrier with the C.

    If there is a second opponent, the other D comes in.

    Wings slide down to cover passes up the wall and to the front.

    Which Lupul goal is being discussed?

    The wide open one where he shot it but there was no one around. Leafs grabbed the puck from the swarm, sent it to the high slot, bammo.

  63. godot10 says:

    1) Brian Eliot is NOT a good goaltender, and St. Louis already has the Oilers 2nd round pick anyways.

    2) Ottawa wanted a forward who could help them immediately last year for Bishop. Hence Conacher and a #4. A 2nd round pick from Edmonton, and a useless player like Jones was not going to cut it. The Oilers had nothing Ottawa wanted.

    3) Lehner is going to cost one of (a) Yakupov (b) Eberle (and taking a bad contract with Lehner for Eberle).

    4) I think Eakins will have to do some thinking about his version of the swarm. Players can think quicker, move faster, and make and complete long passes in the NHL, unlike the AHL. Carlyle had his players schooled where the soft spots were in Eakins swarm.

    5) The West has been crushing the East this year so far. The OIlers advanced metrics might slide back some once then start playing Western Conference teams. Luckily they don’t for awhile. The OIlers get to get their kinks out against the East, and then get to try to make it back with Western Conference head-to-head games later.

    6) Deleted…ha ha.

    7) The thing about goaltenders is that you have no idea whether the guy you trade for is going to work out for you.

    8) Too bad MacT didn’t go all out for Halak during the summer, before Hitch and Halak had a chance to sort things out. It would have been a more even 1A and 1B situation, with both goaltenders in a contract year. Let’s see if Labarbara can pull a Roly out of his hat. He is about to get his shot to be a #1 NHL starting goaltender. Carpe diem, Jason.

  64. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    Just watched the Lupul goal.

    If the C is supposed to be 2nd guy in the 19 is out of position and wandering.

    If the 2nd D is 2nd man in (don’t think he is, but not positive) then Gordon overplayed it.

    GIven how smart Gordon is and how he beelined for the puck carrier, I think 19 left his post.

    57 or 6 busting ass on the backcheck would have helped as well.

    As far as I know (I could be wrong) that the C is 2nd man in, so 19 was sleeping.

    Okay, thanks. Well Justin Schultz needs Chris Pronger 2006, that much is true.

  65. godot10 says:

    The first Lupul goal was not Schultz’s fault. Some forward (Perron or Joensuu) blew the back check coverage on the late forward (Lupul).

    Gordon and JSchultz were preparing to swarm.

    Carlyle had his skilled players ready to beat Eakins hyper-aggressive swarm with the quick long pass to the delayed wide forward trailer.

    i.e. During the lockout last year, Carlyle spent a lot of time with Eakins and the Marlies. He probably knows Eakins swarm as well as Eakins. It showed last night.

  66. ashley says:

    Tough one last night. I’m on the road, but just caught some of the highlights.

    Tough to blame DD on that last goal. 3 on 1, with no other white shirt in sight. Not even another backchecker close. He got the first one, but the rebound went to one of the wide open Leaf sticks.

    However, the wraparound and 5-5 tying goal looked saveable.

    I think we have to start taking about J Schultz. I’m not sure why he is getting the kind of immunity Taylor Hall got in his first two years, but that is the wrong play to make…again.

    It’s OT, on the road with the odds of the Oilers crafty shootout artists beating the Leafs pretty good. OT was the time to take offensive chances when possible, but protect the backend.

    J Schultz went all in on that play. If Nuge got the puck over, it would have been 2 on 1 or 2 on 0 down low. A likely goal and win for the Oil. However, Nuge doesn’t get the puck down to them, and it’s 3 on 1 the other way. A terrible gamble by J Schultz, and not the first time, probably not even the first time in yesterday’s game.

    He has to start taking some defensive responsibility.

    I think a trade in the next week would be an over-reaction to a problem that has many heads, and would look reactionary and foolish. I think MacT gets his pocket picked, and we get taken down another notch in the road to mediocrity. Russ99 has it right. Bring in the 2014 Vezina goalie, and he is going to get scored on in an Oilers uniform.

    Our defense is the problem.

  67. Hammers says:

    Lowetide: I thought it was on Schultz too, but would like to have someone run that play through for me with the swarm. Our eyes are trained for straight up man to man defense, I’m not sure how zone would work in this case.

    The Swarm is part of the problem if not all of it . I can think of at least 6 goals so far this year due to SWARM . I can also think of 6-7 due to DD . Everyone is putting this solely on goalkeeping and its not . You don’t give up a #1 when there is more to it than the goalkeeping . What’s left , I’m not sure but I do see other established goalies having problems . Depth of net & new pads .Right now you could bring any of the goalies named above and be no better off .Do not do panic deals McT no matter how much the fans scream .

  68. godot10 says:

    Eakins also had elite AHL goaltenders (i.e. NHL backup quality level, Reimer and Scrivens and Rynas/) on the Marlies. And arguably, several 3rd pairing quality NHL defenders.

    With average goaltending, and a developing defense, his hyper-aggressive swarm may have to be modified.

  69. godot10 says:

    Which begs the question:

    As a coach, do you play your preferred system come hell or high water, or do you craft systems to fit the players and talent and skill set you have available?

    And approach the preferred system as one acquires the players over time that are suited to it.

  70. sliderule says:

    There will quite often players open when you play an extreme overload defence which Eakins calls the swarm.
    The secret is for the attacking defenders to make sure the puck doesn’t get thru by pinning the player and blocking the passing lanes.
    As every team in the NHL uses an overload at least some of the time it’s a defence the oiler players better get good at if the team is to get better.

  71. Colonel Obvious says:

    I don’t agree that the D is the problem. They held the Leafs under 30 shots and outchanced them. What more do you want? Sure the D made mistakes. Every team makes mistakes. They played more than well enough to win. Honestly, when was the last time the Oilers outshot a tea 17-4 in a period? The Leafs had only 24 shots in regulation, and there weren’t that many ten bell chances. That’s getting it done.

    Dubnyk has been a complete sieve. There is no dodging that fact.

    I think we need to face the Ryan Miller scenario. He’s the only name that would be available that might make a difference. My maximum price is the #1 overall (if it is say top five protected) and Nick Schultz.

    They have to clear space if they add Miller and the Sabres can get a second round pick for him at the deadlilne. That’s two good picks for an expiring contract. The Sabres won’t be able to do better than that.

    Brian Elliott isn’t the answer. Richard Bachman isn’t the answer. And the Allen’s and the Lehner’s of the world probably aren’t available.

  72. Henry says:

    Woodguy:
    Here’s your points leaders on the Oilers after 5 games.

    What do you do with 26 when 89 gets back?

    They love 41, so he stays.

    I think I waive/trade 13 as 20 is better at that job.

    Taylor Hall5
    Mark Arcobello5
    Boyd Gordon4
    Ryan Smyth4
    David Perron4
    Jordan Eberle4
    Ales Hemsky4
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins3
    Justin Schultz3
    Jeff Petry1
    Andrew Ference1
    Jesse Joensuu1
    Luke Gazdic1
    Anton Belov1
    Ladislav Smid1
    Will Acton1
    Nick Schultz0
    Nail Yakupov0
    Mike Brown0
    Ryan Hamilton0

    If the standard is supposed to be ‘at best he was a non-factor in the outcome of the game’, Acton is a champ. Arcobello might be 25, but he is getting better everytime he gets more responsibility or moves up a level. He’s very smart and doesn’t play afraid, though he has yet to meet one of the real bad guys.

    The second Smyth goal was a thing of beauty. Arcobello gained the zone with speed and most of Toronto’s defense coming back. The buttonhook and pass to Eberle was terrific on both sides. Being skilled enough to make and take that pass at full speed just torched their defense. AHL guys are generally behind these plays. Schremp doesn’t even gain the zone.

    I hope Arcobello is Tambellini’s longest lasting acquisition. For 600K they could have a first rate utility infielder. Felipe Alou won a lot of games with guys like that. Eakins obviously doesn’t stick to lines, so Arco can line up anywhere even the fourth with spot shifts up the lineup. What surprises me thus far is that 26 is winning many of his faceoffs and cleanly. Acton to the PB if the team is at full strength.

  73. Colonel Obvious says:

    The Swarm was the blame for one goal. Blaming the swarm is cherry picking and ignores all the events that didn’t happen.

    That is, you can’t blame it, if you also don’t identify all the other chances that didn’t happen because the Leafs lost possession because of the pressure.

  74. Henry says:

    Colonel Obvious:
    I don’t agree that the D is the problem.They held the Leafs under 30 shots and outchanced them.What more do you want?Sure the D made mistakes.Every team makes mistakes.They played more than well enough to win.Honestly, when was the last time the Oilers outshot a tea 17-4 in a period?The Leafs had only 24 shots in regulation, and there weren’t that many ten bell chances.That’s getting it done.

    Dubnyk has been a complete sieve.There is no dodging that fact.

    I think we need to face the Ryan Miller scenario.He’s the only name that would be available that might make a difference.My maximum price is the #1 overall (if it is say top five protected) and Nick Schultz.

    They have to clear space if they add Miller and the Sabres can get a second round pick for him at the deadlilne.That’s two good picks for an expiring contract.The Sabres won’t be able to do better than that.

    Brian Elliott isn’t the answer.Richard Bachman isn’t the answer.And the Allen’s and the Lehner’s of the world probably aren’t available.

    What about one of Anaheim’s goaltenders? They could use a young defenseman or two.

  75. hunter1909 says:

    Everything good about last years team has been replaced with dopplegangers of Hall, RNH, Eberle, Yakupov and Justin Schultz – who have seemingly forgotten how to play expressive hockey in the face of new boy coach Eakin’s torontomapleleafs defensive hockey at all costs mantra. Lowe/MacT both understand no other way themselves, which seals the trifecta of philisophical suck.

    It used to be that Oilers played to their attacking strengths. No more.

    Now there is a typical Lowe/MacT hole in the lineup: goaltending. Wtf is it with this pair?

    Dubnyk: Carefully nurtured by Kevin Lowe and MacT.

    The day he got drafted(2004!!) they said the reason they’d drafted him higher than expected was his willingness to keep working on the most terrible, worthless team in the WCHL, where night after night he was stoned by the opposition.

    Or some such nonsense.

    How does anyone still keep faith with these maniacs? It’s amazing.

  76. Lowetide says:

    Incredible stat of the day: Oilers finished 24th in the NHL last season, and are 25th tie so far this year. HOW BAD are the NJD, NYR, WAS, PHI and BUF? The east is like 1980 NHL. If you have a goalie, you’re in the playoffs.

    Out west. The man’s league.

  77. Henry says:

    Lowetide:
    Incredible stat of the day: Oilers finished 24th in the NHL last season, and are 25th tie so far this year. HOW BAD are the NJD, NYR, WAS, PHI and BUF? The east is like 1980 NHL. If you have a goalie, you’re in the playoffs.

    Out west. The man’s league.

    Let’s get Eddie Mio. Problem solved!

  78. godot10 says:

    Why would Anaheim help the Oilers? It would have to be a ridiculous overpay for one of their Europeans, like Gillis asked for a ridiculous overpay for Schneider.

    The Oilers and the Ducks are in the same division now.

  79. hunter1909 says:

    godot10:
    Why would Anaheim help the Oilers?It would have to be a ridiculous overpay for one of their Europeans, like Gillis asked for a ridiculous overpay for Schneider.

    The Oilers and the Ducks are in the same division now.

    You know how it is with fans of poor teams. Always dreaming up imaginary trades for the players they imagine will fit best on their particular team, reality be hanged.

    Since the Montreal game I’ve been busy myself: Trying to dream up ways to get hold of a line as big and skilled as Gally/Eller for our very own mini-oilers.

  80. rickithebear says:

    Clarkenstein:
    Anybody that feels Dubnyk is a quality NHL tender is dreaming in technicolor. Many of us on here have been beat up over the years for stating this. His sample size was too small for the contract extended to him. This team never learns that for some reason… see Khabi’s contract. Do you get a $4M contract just for showing up I wonder? The size of the pads is bullshit IMO. He is just slow to react, ie. getting up when down, and if I can sit on the couch and see that all you have to do is go top corner on him then imagine what kind of info shooters have. He is not the solution. I’d put him on waivers (hoping somebody claims that contract) and send him to OKC until he remembers how to play.
    A couple days ago I remember him smugly saying something to the effect… “I’m not going to let in 5 goals every game!” He was right… he let in 6.

    Blah, Blah, Blah,

    Wah!

    it is because there are a bunch of dip shits with NFC about what a goalie does.

    Some morons use wins.
    Do goalies score goals?
    Once in the odd moon.
    But i do not remmber any break thru the circle drive the net and roof one.
    Oh that is right cause they cannot cross centre.
    50% of the game. GF
    We are 21st in SF 29.4

    Does A goalie prevent shots.
    Do not remeber tham breaking the cycle.
    We are 12th in shots against @ 30.0
    that is 60% of the game.

    All a goalie can do is stop the puck.

    devon dubntk
    As pointed out by Vor was the only ;920 Even save% goalie in the game last 3 year.
    He has provided one of the best 3G or less % in the game.
    he is one of 8 goalies not to have a below average season for Save%.

    Yet there are moron’s that Knew he was not a Starter.
    1. best even Save5 goalie.
    2. 6th best Save% non below averaeg for 3 seasons.
    3. top 3 for providing winnable games 3G or less at 88%.

    Knew that he was not a starter.
    What F….world.

    we are still outshot.
    Our problem is dubnyk is not that goalie at the start of the year.

    WHat is the difference
    MacT and Eakin showing zero confidence in him.
    Unlike Renney and Kruger who trusted him more than the cup winning goalie.

    Cup winning goalie!
    wins!
    BAhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

    Way to put the dought in there MacT!
    You may have single handedly destroyed the best even save% goalie in the game!

  81. Colonel Obvious says:

    hunter1909:
    Everything good about last years team has been replaced with dopplegangers of Hall, RNH, Eberle, Yakupov and Justin Schultz – who have seemingly forgotten how to play expressive hockey in the face of new boy coach Eakin’storontomapleleafs defensive hockey at all costs mantra. Lowe/MacT both understand no other way themselves, which seals the trifecta of philisophical suck.

    It used to be that Oilers played to their attacking strengths. No more.

    This is Godot level willful blindness. Hall, RNH, and Eberle have all been fine. If Dubnyk makes one more stop we’re talking about how fantastic that game was.

    This is all on Dubnyk. The 830% flatters him. The first five games of this season have been the worst goaltending I have ever seen.

  82. Henry says:

    godot10:
    Why would Anaheim help the Oilers?It would have to be a ridiculous overpay for one of their Europeans, like Gillis asked for a ridiculous overpay for Schneider.

    The Oilers and the Ducks are in the same division now.

    Anaheim has three good goaltenders and a promising Gibson bubbling under. One is expensive and a pending UFA.

    Maybe they don’t consider the Oilers a legitimate threat this year in division or not. Would you?

    I don’t know what an overpay for Hiller would be honestly, but the Oilers have more young defensemen than required.

  83. hunter1909 says:

    Colonel Obvious: This is Godot level willful blindness. Hall, RNH, and Eberle have all been fine. If Dubnyk makes one more stop we’re talking about how fantastic that game was.

    While I can see and respect your point, perhaps I’m seeing sticks getting gripped harder than others watching the games.

    Goaltending aside, I’m happy to give a brand new coach 20 or so games to see what he can do. That’s no problem.

    It’s just like this: We see Quinn, we see Renney, we see Kreuger, none who succeeded with this team. Welcome home the strawman prodigal son MacT to replace Tambellini.

    Today, there is absolutely no reason not to assume we’re all in for another interesting season of MacT/Lowe, is all. And it stinks.

    PS: Trading Yakupov is ‘Jack and the Beanstock’ level folly: Which gives my highly developed paranoia every reason to think it’s going to happen, and thus set the whole thing back another decade.

  84. 106 and 106 says:

    Why do you all hate Backman so much?

  85. Henry says:

    106 and 106:
    Why do you all hate Backman so much?

    I prefer real Stephen King.

  86. Lowetide says:

    hunter1909: While I can see and respect your point, perhaps I’m seeing sticks getting gripped harder than others watching the games.

    Goaltending aside, I’m happy to give a brand new coach 20 or so games to see what he can do. That’s no problem.

    It’s just like this: We see Quinn, we see Renney, we see Kreuger, none who succeeded with this team. Welcome home the strawman prodigal son MacT to replace Tambellini.

    Today, there is absolutely no reason not to assume we’re all in for another interesting season of MacT/Lowe, is all. And it stinks.

    This is not close to reality. Even last night when they lost to Toronto on the road, the club had some nice things happening. The Oilers have changed the number of minutes the puck is in their zone by spending more time in the opposition zone (Corsi).

    Last year they were 44.6 or so, this season it’s 49.8 or thereabouts (haven’t checked today). If that continues, and with even average goaltending, this season will be much better for the Oilers.

    Which brings us back to goaltending and the importance of bringing in LaBarbera tomorrow night.

  87. Doomoil says:

    hunter1909,

    We’re 7th in Goals For, 9th in 5v5 Shots Allowed while last in Save Percentage and Goals Against.

    The biggest problem this young season is that the areas where we have shown improvement are being counteracted by the tire fire we have in net.

  88. Woodguy says:

    godot10:
    Which begs the question:

    As a coach, do you play your preferred system come hell or high water, or do you craft systems to fit the playersand talent and skill set you have available?

    And approach the preferred system as one acquires the players over time that are suited to it.

    I think the Oilers are doing well with this system and will excel with it.

    It plays to a very fast transition game, which is their strength. They may be a better fast break team than any other.

    A coach should coach to a strength and put players in a position to succeed, no?

    :)

    With NHL average goaltending the Oilers are 3-2 and maybe 4-1 to start the season.

  89. Henry says:

    hunter1909: While I can see and respect your point, perhaps I’m seeing sticks getting gripped harder than others watching the games.

    Goaltending aside, I’m happy to give a brand new coach 20 or so games to see what he can do. That’s no problem.

    It’s just like this: We see Quinn, we see Renney, we see Kreuger, none who succeeded with this team. Welcome home the strawman prodigal son MacT to replace Tambellini.

    Today, there is absolutely no reason not to assume we’re all in for another interesting season of MacT/Lowe, is all. And it stinks.

    PS: Trading Yakupov is ‘Jack and the Beanstock’level folly: Which gives my highly developed paranoia every reason to think it’s going to happen, and thus set the whole thing back another decade.

    I know you dislike MacT, but his one real trade is looking pretty good so far. I seriously doubt that he trades a guy that he thinks may score 400 goals.

    He’s looking for a Luongo for Parrish trade, but Milbury is with the press now.

  90. Woodguy says:

    hunter1909,

    Everything good about last years team has been replaced with dopplegangers of Hall, RNH, Eberle, Yakupov and Justin Schultz – who have seemingly forgotten how to play expressive hockey in the face of new boy coach Eakin’s torontomapleleafs defensive hockey at all costs mantra. Lowe/MacT both understand no other way themselves, which seals the trifecta of philisophical suck.

    Jesus Hunter really?

    Defensive hockey at all costs?

    EDM has 3.4 goals per game (and that’s with one game out of 5 having only 1 goal)

    Its pretty much the opposite of what you said.

  91. Woodguy says:

    Oilers 10th in the NHL with 3.4g/gm

    Oilers tied for last in the NHL with 5.0g/gm against (with NYR)

    Last year:

    G/G 2.56
    GA/G 2.73

    Its a different world.

  92. Woodguy says:

    How can people blame management for players playing awful?

    This isn’t peewee.

  93. 106 and 106 says:

    Backbreaking how Dubs has four bad nights at work and his job he’s worked his whole life at getting may be lost forever.

    Glad I don’t have that job.

    (Hopefully he’s invested wisely).

  94. steveb12344 says:

    106 and 106: Backbreaking how Dubs has four bad nights at work and his job he’s worked his whole life at getting may be lost forever. Glad I don’t have that job. (Hopefully he’s invested wisely).

    IMO the most important characteristic of a goalie is to excel under pressure.

    Sadly with DD being under likely the most pressure he has faced in his career. (For the exact reason you have mentioned). He is failing epically.

    If he can’t deal with this pressure, than it likely wouldn’t be much better in a playoff situation.

    I have liked DD and always willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but at this point even I admit that it’s starting to look like he may in fact be a dud!

  95. boopronger says:

    I dont think a UFA goaltender will cost as much as some are suggesting here.

    Also think a top pairing d man is a much bigger hole.

  96. 106 and 106 says:

    steveb12344,

    Should have traded him this summer, then (perfect hindsight, i know)? But then again, his resume says he’s a tender – just lost it along the way….

    anybody know if he’s struggling to make saves in practice, or is this a real-time issue?

  97. LMHF#1 says:

    What is this? The “we can’t spell names” thread?

    DEVAN Dubnyk

    Richard BACHMAN

    Anton KHUDOBIN

    Step your games up ladies and gents.

    Also, in the spirit of utter desperation – sign and call up Ty RImmer. I’m disappointed we didn’t move one of our underachievers out and sign this guy for the minor league team.

  98. FPB94 says:

    Dubnyk has averaged a better save % then Miller in the last 3 years (,917 to ,914). Paying for Miller would only get people who know nothing to shut up. That or whine on Miller and realize he isn’t that good (I guess).

    DD has been over average on absolutely putrid teams that have collected 2 N1 and 3 top 10 picks. Give him a break. He’s having a bad season debut, but that’s all. I’d take 3 years of over average performance on a team of absolute scrubs over 4 games of being a baddy,

  99. Lowetide says:

    Dubnyk CAN win the job back, but whatever he’s doing (and again, I’m not that smart) isn’t working. Has he changed style? Is he farther back in his net? Is he drinking fewer energy drinks? No idea. None.

    I can say that he’s never (to my eye) looked this bad. And sure it’s four games but he’s off last year’s SP by about 100 points (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

    Last year, if he faced 100 shots, DD let in 8 goals. So far this year, it’s 18 per 100 shots. That’s another planet.

  100. steveb12344 says:

    106 and 106,

    It’s pressure man!

    In pro sports performing under pressure is damn near everything. The best players are always the ones that can use that pressure to intensify their focus, and bring their game to a higher level. The also-rans are the ones that focus too much on their fear of failure, and become almost parylized by the extreme pressure.

    DD has never really played on contenders for his entire hockey career. Thus he has not had to deal with high levels of pressure much at all. Even most of his “above average” NHL stats have come when The Oil were already out of contention.. I.E.- No pressure.

    As I said, I’ve always liked him , but if this is how he responds to high pressure situations. Sadly I think this is a clear indication that is firmly part of the also-ran group.

    PS- Please prove this theory to be wrong Doobie!

  101. FPB94 says:

    Lowetide,

    It’s 4 games man. Where the hell is your ”it’s a sample size?”

    Guess what: About every prime time goaltender has known a shitty streak like that, Price, Lundqvist, Ward, Lehtonen, Rinne.

    You can all look back on their stats sheet and find a 4-5 games where they were just plain horrible.

    Lundqvist just allowed 15 in his first 4 games.

    Price allowed 18 in 4 games last year.

    Pekka Rinne allowed 16 in 4 games last year.

  102. LMHF#1 says:

    FPB94:
    Dubnyk has averaged a better save % then Miller in the last 3 years (,917 to ,914). Paying for Miller would only get people who know nothing to shut up. That or whine on Miller and realize he isn’t that good (I guess).

    DD has been over average on absolutely putrid teams that have collected 2 N1 and 3 top 10 picks. Give him a break. He’s having a bad season debut, but that’s all. I’d take 3 years of over average performance on a team of absolute scrubs over 4 games of being a baddy,

    Umm, what math are you doing exactly? http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=45065 I don’t see a single .914 in the past few years.

  103. FPB94 says:

    LMHF#1,

    I think I mixed up with another guy from a post yesterday. But yeah ,916 to ,917. Not exactly glaringly in favour of Miller owning Dubby.

  104. 99thoilerfan says:

    Play them as a tandem, rotate them every other game for the next twenty games
    ( 25% of season ) this could “stabilize”, what has become a issue for the home team.
    Look at the stats after 20, give the better more games, but maintain a rotation ( 2-1 ).

    If we are all in agreement about the need of a top flight Goalie, we will have to wait for the chance at one. Entering the playoff drive, teams are patching up holes ( due to injuries, etc. ) this would give us better leverage. No knee jerk reactions. Stay the course.

    Dance with the one, you brought to the party.
    *Sigh* …. dance partners with issues

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si5RyLmJupg

  105. Lowetide says:

    FPB94:
    Lowetide,

    It’s 4 games man.Where the hell is your ”it’s a sample size?”

    Guess what: About every prime time goaltender has known a shitty streak like that, Price, Lundqvist, Ward, Lehtonen, Rinne.

    You can all look back on their stats sheet and find a 4-5 games where they were just plain horrible.

    Lundqvist just allowed 15 in his first 4 games.

    Price allowed 18 in 4 games last year.

    Pekka Rinne allowed 16 in 4 games last year.

    I’m suggesting that they put LaBarbera in, not shoot Dubnyk. And I also believe MacT should get his goalie–whoever that is–sooner than later. If Dubnyk is spending his last season in Edmonton then lets get on with it.

  106. Bag of Pucks says:

    Clarkenstein:
    Anybody that feels Dubnyk is a quality NHL tender is dreaming in technicolor. Many of us on here have been beat up over the years for stating this.

    True dat.

  107. bookje says:

    LMHF#1:
    What is this? The “we can’t spell names” thread?

    DEVAN Dubnyk

    Richard BACHMAN

    Anton KHUDOBIN

    Step your games up ladies and gents.

    Also, in the spirit of utter desperation – sign and call up Ty RImmer. I’m disappointed we didn’t move one of our underachievers out and sign this guy for the minor league team.

    LHMF1# is right, get it together folks or Lowtide will ban us all!!

  108. Bag of Pucks says:

    On the positive side, saw Gordon & Perron good last night (the mythical third scoring line!) and an absolutely great showing for Smytty in his likely curtain call in the Center of the Universe. Nice work from Belov and Eberle as well.

  109. FPB94 says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Then I guess Price, Miller and Cam Ward make people dream in technicolor.

  110. bookje says:

    Woodguy:
    How can people blame management for players playing awful?

    This isn’t peewee.

    Perhaps management has the wrong players and/or hired the wrong coach.

    I don’t believe that is the case here, but that is generally the reason people blame management.

  111. bookje says:

    In past years, this team had stellar starts on the backs of goalies playing well above their average. This year, the goalie is playing well below average. If he doesn’t figure it out (or LaBarbara doesnt win the day) then they are in trouble, however, otherwise the team is doing well.

  112. 106 and 106 says:

    Arcobello needs to get one and he might get on a roll. Dude creates chances and can actually play.

  113. Jon K says:

    Lowetide:
    “Confidence is contagious. So is lack of confidence.” – Vince Lombardi

    Tweeted by Dave Falk just now.

    It really does seem like the skaters completely deflated after the first Kadri goal. If we all sink when we see that goal, imagine for Dubnyk’s teammates.

    If the season follows its current trajectory, I hope we find time to talk about the development of Arcobello. MacT came out as a strong supporter and promised him opportunities, and so far he’s been rewarded by being shown as correct about Arcobello. He seems like a bona fide NHL player. His shooting ability is far below average, but the rest of his game has been excellent so far in this young season.

    EDIT: I think there’s also merit to talking about whether MacT erred in getting Labarbera. The GM obviously had some concerns, trying to upgrade the G position in the offseason, so if he had those concerns I do think it would have made much more sense to get somebody with some upside in case Dubnyk faltered.

  114. FastOil says:

    Henry: I realize that.I blame the swarm for that.At that point Toronto scored one on Dubnyk and two on the swarm.The overload on the prior PP goal was strange.

    The wraparound was on Dubie sort of, but JVR had all sort of options there with no one in front.

    Either Schultz wasn’t playing the swarm right or he was (I had the system explained to me by the Winnipeg analyst that contributes to ON now and then), but that system is giving up 10 bell chances repeatedly and the Oilers don’t have the goaltending to back it up.

    It wouldn’t matter if it was Lundqvist (who by the way is running a whopping .887) because that kind of hockey will not win in the playoffs so what’s the point?

    High risk hockey doesn’t work. Crosby and Malkin can’t pull it off either. There has to be stability down the line up and because of the cap the bottom end isn’t going to be high end players. They have to be able to play the system too.

    At some point it’s more than just bad players. You have to work with what you’ve got not what you wish you had.

  115. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy:
    How can people blame management for players playing awful?

    This isn’t peewee.

    Eakins sticking Yaks, an insanely talented kid player on the 3rd line, then dissing him in public?

    Eakins showing who’s boss, by appointing unknown to the team plug Ference over Hall??

    Add MacT who’s royally fucked up the goaltending, and Kevin Lowe simply for being associated with the team and yes, I’d say it’s management. It’s always management. It’s management’s show.

    Obviously I’ve been taking the most extreme position imaginable.

    Oilers have some good things going for them, at the same time the general view seems to be another long season. Eight years and counting? Season possibly all but over in early October?

  116. FastOil says:

    Lundqvist is .887. Maybe a swap there for LaBarbera? I am being sarcastic. Eakins should be asking the team to really around their goalies and quit exposing them so much and wait until Dubnyk is out of his slump. He’s earned it, he’s done a lot more for them than vice versa.

    Skaters get a pass or get benched until they get out of it. Goalie’s turn.

  117. Woodguy says:

    bookje: Perhaps management has the wrong players and/or hired the wrong coach.

    I don’t believe that is the case here, but that is generally the reason people blame management.

    No, a poster was saying a player wasn’t playing well because MacT was a bad GM.

    Not kidding.

  118. Woodguy says:

    hunter1909: Eakins sticking Yaks, an insanely talented kid player on the 3rd line, then dissing him in public?

    Eakins showing who’s boss, by appointing unknown to the team plug Ference over Hall??

    Add MacT who’s royally fucked up the goaltending, and Kevin Lowe simply for being associated with the team and yes, I’d say it’s management. It’s always management.It’s management’s show.

    That’s the coach, not management.

    And a player who was getting a little lost got to watch the game from up top and learn something.

    Why do people think its the end of the world?

    Did you even see/hear what Eakins said about Yak after the game?

    Probably not.

    Go here and click on Post Game Eakins Raw

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/

    Really sounds like he’s dissing him eh?

  119. Woodguy says:

    FastOil: It wouldn’t matter if it was Lundqvist (who by the way is running a whopping .887) because that kind of hockey will not win in the playoffs so what’s the point?

    High risk hockey doesn’t work. Crosby and Malkin can’t pull it off either. There has to be stability down the line up and because of the cap the bottom end isn’t going to be high end players. They have to be able to play the system too.

    At some point it’s more than just bad players. You have to work with what you’ve got not what you wish you had.

    Chicago won the cup twice playing that way.

  120. 106 and 106 says:

    Aren’t we out of cap space for all of these UFA options – Miller’s salary is through the roof.

  121. Lowetide says:

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 19m

    “It was disappointing for all of us. It was a game we deserved to win. We worked hard and we out-played them.” – Dubnyk on last night

  122. Henry says:

    FastOil: It wouldn’t matter if it was Lundqvist (who by the way is running a whopping .887) because that kind of hockey will not win in the playoffs so what’s the point?

    High risk hockey doesn’t work. Crosby and Malkin can’t pull it off either. There has to be stability down the line up and because of the cap the bottom end isn’t going to be high end players. They have to be able to play the system too.

    At some point it’s more than just bad players. You have to work with what you’ve got not what you wish you had.

    I think you might be right, but I’m just not sure. What I guess I didn’t explain with my post is that I really don’t know if some or all of the Oilers are not playing the defense correctly or if the defense itself is too easy to beat by talented NHL players. Should it be used occasionally like a blitz package in football? Or is that the way they are doing it? I honestly don’t know, but am interested.

  123. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 19m

    “It was disappointing for all of us. It was a game we deserved to win. We worked hard and we out-played them.” – Dubnyk on last night

    Did he own any of it on his own?

  124. stevezie says:

    hunter1909: Obviously I’ve been taking the most extreme position imaginable.

    Not at all. I’m sure many of us could imagine far more extreme positions. Your statements are a unique combination of garden variety nonsense.

  125. Colonel Obvious says:

    FastOil: It wouldn’t matter if it was Lundqvist (who by the way is running a whopping .887) because that kind of hockey will not win in the playoffs so what’s the point?

    High risk hockey doesn’t work. Crosby and Malkin can’t pull it off either. There has to be stability down the line up and because of the cap the bottom end isn’t going to be high end players. They have to be able to play the system too.

    At some point it’s more than just bad players. You have to work with what you’ve got not what you wish you had.

    Except that there is no evidence that any of this is true. Other than J. Schultz the Oilers aren’t playing “high risk” hockey, and there is no evidence that the Oilers are giving up more than their share of good chances.

    Blaming this on the system or the style is shoddy thinking without support. The only way to come to this conclusion is to imagine that the quality of chances is higher this year. But that’s just imagination. The Oilers, just like every other team, give up plenty of good chances last year too.

    The facts are that shots against are down against the Oilers. That’s a fact, not prejudice.

    Other than the Vancouver game, which was a total disaster, it is myth making to suggest the Oilers left Dubnyk out to dry. They’ve played solid to good all over the ice. Dubnyk, on the other hand, has been the worst goalie in history. Honestly, I’ve never seen so many bad goals. And you haven’t either. Because it has never happened.

  126. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    The most depressing moment last night for me was after the loss when the guys were headed into the tunnel watching Labarbs waiting for his friend at the bench and trying to stop him to give him some encouragement and a manly hug of some sort. Dubnyk was so deflated he pulled the head-down, charlie brown routine on him:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oabcM9SOF-E

    It’s heartbreaking to watch an inconsolable player after that mess of a game last night. Dubnyk must feel really, really confused and frustrated right now.

    That said, after the 5th goal when the camera panned to the management corner of the world, I said to my friend, “there goes Dubnyk’s NHL career. The Oilers won’t sign him. Tonight was his last chance. Even if he rebounds, the taste of these 4 games isn’t going to go away. And, we Oilers may be the only people in the NHL to have appreciated Dubnyk’s charms. He’s going to have to go back down to the AHL and start all over again in another organization.”

  127. "Steve Smith" says:

    Woodguy,

    That is a concern. The usual script in these situations is for the goalie to own all of it and talk about how he has to be better (to display humility and recognition of the obvious), and that he’s confident that he will be (to show that he’s not a shattered, Salo-esque husk of his former self), and for the coach and his teammates to talk about how they needed to provide better defensive support on several of the goals. If Dubnyk’s going off-script, we may have a problem.

  128. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy:
    Someone mentioned not signing Kudobin and signing Labarbera instead as spilled milk.

    Many of us were pulling for MacT to sign Kudobin (but were happy with Labarbera)

    Kudobin is 2-0-0 with a .940 so far in CAR.

    Small sample, but damn.

    My short list was Khudobin, Labarbs. I gave Khudo the edge because he’s younger, has yet to settle into the “career backup” routine so he’s still fighting and has a better shot of challenging for a long term #1 spot and came in marginally cheaper.

    That said, their numbers were basically identical, Labarbs is hardly an old man and he’s proven to be a reliable back-up. Just, the upside is much more limited with him.

    The other item to watch this year is the Euro goalies we lost in the FA war to CHI and VAN (IIRC).

  129. hunter1909 says:

    stevezie,

    Just trying to stay positive before getting on the bandwagon.

    Romulus Apotheosis: He’s going to have to go back down to the AHL and start all over again in another organization.”

    Is Lowe going to ask him for any money?

  130. "Steve Smith" says:

    hunter1909: Is Lowe going to ask him for any money?

    No need; unlike Comrie, Dubnyk’s an impending UFA.

  131. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    The Dubnyk video from today’s practice:

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=458721&catid=4

  132. Woodguy says:

    Colonel Obvious: Except that there is no evidence that any of this is true.Other than J. Schultz the Oilers aren’t playing “high risk” hockey, and there is no evidence that the Oilers are giving up more than their share of good chances.

    Blaming this on the system or the style is shoddy thinking without support.The only way to come to this conclusion is to imagine that the quality of chances is higher this year.But that’s just imagination.The Oilers, just like every other team, give up plenty of good chances last year too.

    The facts are that shots against are down against the Oilers.That’s a fact, not prejudice.

    Other than the Vancouver game, which was a total disaster, it is myth making to suggest the Oilers left Dubnyk out to dry.They’ve played solid to good all over the ice.Dubnyk, on the other hand, has been the worst goalie in history.Honestly, I’ve never seen so many bad goals.And you haven’t either.Because it has never happened.

    2 things:

    1) Very well said, agree 99%

    2) The one percent I don’t agree with is this: .”Dubnyk, on the other hand, has been the worst goalie in history.Honestly, I’ve never seen so many bad goals.And you haven’t either.Because it has never happened.”

    I watched Richard Sevigny I’ve seen worse.

  133. Woodguy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    The Dubnyk video from today’s practice:

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=458721&catid=4

    Great one again with Eakins.

    This team is going to rattle off 7/10 wins twice this year.

    Book it!

  134. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Basically a lot of “we” in that interview… he wasn’t asked about his own play mind you, seemed more like he was a representative of the team than a player on it.

  135. Woodguy says:

    LMHF#1:
    What is this? The “we can’t spell names” thread?

    DEVAN Dubnyk

    Richard BACHMAN

    Anton KHUDOBIN

    Step your games up ladies and gents.

    Also, in the spirit of utter desperation – sign and call up Ty RImmer. I’m disappointed we didn’t move one of our underachievers out and sign this guy for the minor league team.

    Are we all holding our sticks right?

    :)

  136. Woodguy says:

    Eakins on Yak:

    “We’ll get him there. He’s an amazing kid. I think he’s probably done a lot on his own for a very long time…..through junior and maybe even parts of last year (sick burn on Gilderoy Lockheart) We need our whole team working together to get results”

  137. Woodguy says:

    As per oilers.nhl.com

    Lines/pairings at practice:

    Light Blue: Hall / RNH / Hemsky / Yakupov
    Dark Blue: Perron / Gordon / Joensuu
    White: Smyth / Arcobello / Eberle
    Black: Gazdic / Acton / Brown
    Yellow: Gagner

    Defence pairings:

    N.Schultz (Larsen) / Ference
    Smid / Petry
    J.Schultz / Belov

  138. FastOil says:

    Woodguy,

    I don’t agree with that. Chicago is offense oriented and has some chaos players but their coach gets 110% buy in and the team defense isn’t as gaping as the Oilers. They also have the best 2 way centre and two of the best D. To me it’s not the same thing. The Oiler games against them don’t count because the Oilers are so horrible some teams have trouble getting up for them.

    Especially in the playoffs you see chances being traded often because of the intensity. It isn’t Oiler type hockey, they can’t play that well yet. It isn’t often you see total domination as in the Kings year, that was a convergence of all things good for them as their play since shows.

  139. Lowetide says:

    Well, J Schultz on the third pairing makes complete sense, and the other two pairings do too if Ference can play right side. But didn’t Ference struggled right side? Wasn’t that a Dellow project over the summer?

  140. FastOil says:

    Henry: Fast

    I think the system doesn’t work easily. It has been pointed out that this style is prone to massive breakdowns with one mistake. The Oilers need easy, baby steps.

  141. oilersfan says:

    somebody in the Oilogosphere needs to make a law now about suggesting the trading of Yakupov for any player , especially for a goalie, illegal. There is not a goalie in the NHL the oilers should trade Yak for, including Rinne, Qucik, and Lundqvist. So many here are aware of the inconsistent nature of goaltending, and how muc of it is dependant on the system the goalie plays. Even looking in hindsight, the only goalie of my lifetime, the last 40 years, I would have used a # 1 overall pick on was Hasek. He was the only goalie I have ever seen consistently win games singlehandedly for a long period of time. To me, almost all the other ones have been overrated by the team and system they play for, especially Brodeur and Roy.

    Yak is likely to be a multi 40 goal scorer, close to Stamkos in natural ability. Once his head catches up to his feet and his talent level he will be considered one of the top 10 scorers in the NHL. These are the types of players never available via trade or free agency. It should be the type of comment that commentators get embarassed over immediately because time will surely do it for them. Gregor scoffed the other day that Montreal would never trade Carey Price for Yak! IF the Oilers did that trade I might never cheer for them again. I once called in to Gregor’s show criticizing Pittsburgh for usng their first overall to get Fleury when they could have taken Eric Staal. He laughed at me saying Fleury is integral to the team and they couldn’t win without him. i retored he was no matter than Roloson or any Craig Anderson and was a waste of a first overall pick. I think i have been shown to be right on that and any dumb move to get a goalie now would be as stupid as the comments Gregor made then and Friday.

    Goaltending is always inconsistent and streaky. The Oilers best move today is likely to do what LT suggested, let Dubnyk sit for a bit and regain some composure. It is too bad they couldn’t send him to the AHL without risking losing him on waiver. I suspect it might also make sense to sign Brysgalov who only 2.5 years ago was considered the best goalie UFA available in recent memory. How soon people forget the fickleness and unprecitability of NHL goaltending.

    I would not trade even a second round pick for a NHL goalie, unless it was a proven top 10 over 5 consecutive years,, who of course would not be available for a second round pick. Better to sign the Andersons and Bishops of the world.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Labarbara does an excellent job with a few consecutive games and Dubnyk rebounds sooner than we all think. FPB made an excellent post earlier about how the allstar goalies all go through rough spots and I am completely confident that is what is happening with Dubnyk now. It is amplified by how early it is in the season but there are still 77 games to go so we all need to relax and go for a walk, it is a beautiful day in Edmonton!

    Happy THanksgiving everybody.

  142. jake70 says:

    On that 3rd Leaf goal by Lupul, I looked at it again and it looked like pretty weak back-check by Perron and Joensu. They may not have caught Lupul anyway but looked pretty weak. They were only 20 seconds into a shift (on the fly change, 10 seconds of approx. play and a whistle, then around 20 seconds after subsequent face-off). I thought maybe the lazy backcheck was due to fatigue at end of long shift.

  143. oilersfan says:

    on another note, I thought the first goal by Lupul was mostly on J Schultz but also where the hell was Joenssu? He is the right winger. PErron went in to help with the swarm. It was on his wing, his area of responsibility. With Ference and GOrdon already there to get the puck off of Kadri, and Perron on the way, what the hell was Schultz thinking?

    I am wondering if being overplayed has affected the thought process for some of these 25 min+ kids?

  144. Andropod says:

    Henry,

    Wasn’t it Nuge who pushed for us to take Arco??

  145. jake70 says:

    oilersfan:
    on another note, I thought the first goal by Lupul was mostly on J Schultz but also where the hell was Joenssu? He is the right winger. PErron went in to help with the swarm. It was on his wing, his area of responsibility. With Ference and GOrdon already there to get the puck off of Kadri, and Perron on the way, what the hell was Schultz thinking?

    I am wondering if being overplayed has affected the thought process for some of these 25 min+ kids?

    I was going to say it was Gordon and not Perron who went with the D to Kadri, but yeah looks like both Gordon and Perron went that way, my bad on the weak backcheck comment on Perron. Perron would have played it better though by not drifting as far to that puck carrier side and stay more towards the middle of ice, but then again, he probably thought 6 would be there.

  146. FastOil says:

    Colonel Obvious: Fast

    If a lack of evidence negates my opinion, where is yours? If you think Dubnyk is that bad – I can’t tell if that is sarcasm – you’re a Johnny come lately and have not watched Oiler hockey long enough to make that claim. Two words – Grant Fuhr. He put up some real stinkers reg season. He also liked to be 50 feet out of his net.

    The team is allowing easy possession in the scoring areas. In the NHL if you give good shooters a clear uncontested shot (Lupul) in the circle it’s going in at a high percentage even if your goalie is playing well.

    You seem to be into stats so you should know this is a tangled ball of yarn and can’t be hung on one player or group. The forwards aren’t supporting the D, the D are blowing coverage and Dubnyk is slumping. Nobody is helping each other and it compounds.

    Justin Schultz is a big part of this, he is terrible defensively and a tornado of chaos that I think screws his partner and anyone else trying to figure out what the hell he is doing. I like him but he sucks right now as a D, should be Brent Burns’d.

    Viktor Fasth .826
    Devan Dubnyk .829
    Niklas Backstrom .849
    Tim Thomas .850
    Braden Holtby .873
    James Reimer .879
    Cory Schneider .887
    Henrik Lundqvist .887
    Roberto Luongo .898

    Those are some pretty good goalies sucking right now. A few that Oiler fans have coveted recently. Equipment has to be part of it.

  147. Racki says:

    My choice is Bryzgalov.. if he’ll sign here. One would have to think that you get him for a bargain discount. He might not have his head on straight, no.. hard to say. But I think the Oilers need to roll the dice and just find someone who will hold the fort until Dubnyk’s mojo returns (if ever it does).

    Next year, the UFA goalie pool is better. I’m not sure if any of these guys have re-signed yet, but CapGeek lists these names: Lundqvist, Miller, Hiller, Halak, Nabokov, Elliott, Vokoun, Emery. Some of them will be pricey as hell, but you might also be cutting the 3.5M Dubnyk makes. The backup market also looks decent too.

    I’m not at all a fan of trading the future for potentially one year of Lundqvist or Miller… so I’d just try and sign Bryzgalov before he goes to another team in search of goaltending. All it will cost is their last slot in the 50-man roster.. and it should be enough to buy some time while Dubnyk’s stress (hopefully) disappears… or hold them over until July when there will be some good goalies on the market.

  148. prairieschooner says:

    I believe Mac T made a huge blunder going after Schneider.He was exposed by what he was asked for.7th overall a 2nd and Marincin that deal seemed to be under serious consideration given the length of time it was talked about.The damage done to Devan Dubnyk was immeasurable

  149. Ribs says:

    New equipment, new baby, you might laugh but NHL history is full of stories about goaltenders and the things that drive them to distraction (Jacques Plante: air conditioning).

    How about his GM publicly calling him out all summer and apparently trying to replace him? That might do something to a guy’s confidence.

    With all the good MacT has done so far, I really wish he would have just kept his mouth shut when it came to Dubnyk.

  150. ohhell says:

    prairieschooner,

    If DD was immeasurable damaged by MacT’s lack of confidence, then DD was never our man. Goalies face immense pressure, particularly down the stretch and in the playoffs (much like QBs in folltball). MacT has not wrecked DD.

    DD is whatever he chooses to be; a little philosophical, but true none the less. These are professional athletes in an industry that demands performance. DD should have shown up prepared to silence the nay-sayers.

    I would argue that DD is wrecking MacT.

  151. godot10 says:

    oilersfan:
    on another note, I thought the first goal by Lupul was mostly on J Schultz but also where the hell was Joenssu? He is the right winger. PErron went in to help with the swarm. It was on his wing, his area of responsibility. With Ference and GOrdon already there to get the puck off of Kadri, and Perron on the way, what the hell was Schultz thinking?

    I am wondering if being overplayed has affected the thought process for some of these 25 min+ kids?

    It is typically the forward’s responsibility to pick up delayed wide forwards, rather than to go chasing the puck, Perron was playing RW, Lupul was his man. Why was he running chasing the puck into the left side wall when Gordon and Schultz were already there supporting Ference(?). Either Perron or Joensuu screwed up on the backcheck. Lupul was wide and delayed. Schultz would have left a massive gap in the middle if he had hung back. That goal is on Perron or Joensuu.

    Everything bad that happens defensively is not Justin Schultz’s fault.

  152. Ribs says:

    I say Dubnyk bounces back and a vote of confidence from the GM would be excellent right about now.

  153. Henry says:

    Woodguy:
    As per oilers.nhl.com

    Lines/pairings at practice:

    Light Blue: Hall / RNH / Hemsky / Yakupov
    Dark Blue: Perron / Gordon / Joensuu
    White: Smyth / Arcobello / Eberle
    Black: Gazdic / Acton / Brown
    Yellow: Gagner

    Defence pairings:

    N.Schultz (Larsen) / Ference
    Smid / Petry
    J.Schultz / Belov

    Perhaps this means Ference is on the left and Larsen on the right. N Schultz gets a rest.

  154. godot10 says:

    The mistake the Oilers made in the summer when pursuing a 1A goaltender to go with Dubnyk is not keeping their damn mouths shut about it. Can’t the guys in the front office shut their damn mouths and stop leaking. And you shouldn’t go and look like sick puppies on national TV when Bettman announces the Vancouver-New Jersey trade.

    The rumours about Schneider were not coming out of Vancouver or New Jersey. They were coming out of Edmonton.

  155. ohhell says:

    On another note, we as fans are really showing our bipolar nature. There is so much angst in Oilerdom right now. We all need to take a deep breathe and relax and be thankful.

    I have great confidence in Eakins ability to implement a structured system and welcome it; hopefully sooner rather than later. This team is loaded with skill but needs more structure ans systems play to be successful. This process appears to be underway and gives me comfort.

    I am surprised by all the angst against JShultz. We were simply blessed by his choice to join our team. Eakins will work his defensive gaffs out of his system, but we should remember that his upside is tremendous. Much has been said about his bad decision on the OT goal, but nothing has been mentioned about RNH’s decision to try and do too much with the puck. This is two games in a row where RNH has carried the puck back towards our blueline (in the Ozone), coughed it up and has led to “knife in heart” outcomes. Even if Shultz backs off there, we are still facing a 3-on-2 situation. I am also not hanging RNH out to dry either because we have watched Hemsky, Gagner and Hall do that for years now. These errors will diminish with better system play and maturity. IT took Hemsky a long time to work that out of our system but he looks to be smarter with the puck now.

    Regarding Yakupov, I think Eakins is taking the right approach in giving hime a night or two off. Yaks is a competitive athlete and should rise to the challenge. It is important for him to grapse the system concept. I have every confidence that he will. Any suggestion of trading him seems rhighly knee-jerk and borderline nuts to me.

    And a few more positives to leave you on this Thanksgiving weekend:

    - Belov is a player, and is improving each game (great signing – cost us nothing)
    - Perron is a player and fits in well (great trade)
    - Gordon has far exceeded expectations (great signing)
    - Jonesuu is a player and fills a hugh gap (great signing)
    - Arcobello is the story of the year and creates a good problem
    - Hemsky is reborn and absolutely deserves top-line minutes (joy)
    - RNH may end up being the best of the bunch.

    Serisouly, the most challenging thing about this team for me is trying to decide who will have the better career, RNH, Hall, Yaks or Ebs? SOG are up for us, G/G are up for us, SOG against are down significantly. The system play is coming, we just need the net-tending position to solidify. Dubnyk needs a few games in the PB do find his mojo – hopefully he does.

    Outside of the Vancouver game, every game I have watched appears to be an improvement from last year’s team. Far less Chinese fire drills in our own end, better breakouts and transition, and more offensive zone pressure. Add to that the improved face-off percentages across the board and the commitment to a more physical game and there is much to smile about.

    Happy Thanksgiving.

  156. hunter1909 says:

    Ribs:
    I say Dubnyk bounces back and a vote of confidence from the GM would be excellent right about now.

    I don’t think Mact’ s that good a liar.

  157. Henry says:

    Andropod:
    Henry,

    Wasn’t it Nuge who pushed for us to take Arco??

    No idea really. I know that Hall and Eberle had nice things to say about him when Nuge went down and to the WJC.

    The major rec for the big club was probably Nelson, MacT and Eakins himself. They coached for and against him. I couldn’t have gone unnoticed that his boxcars continued post lockout and he scored a lot of goals to lead the playoff run.

    Fedun is a similar guy in some of these respects.

  158. fifthcartel says:

    http://goldandorsmith.com/GIFs/MacTavishHeadShake.gif

    At least this legendary GIF came from that awful ending last night.

  159. Henry says:

    Racki:
    My choice is Bryzgalov.. if he’ll sign here. One would have to think that you get him for a bargain discount. He might not have his head on straight, no.. hard to say. But I think the Oilers need to roll the dice and just find someone who will hold the fort until Dubnyk’s mojo returns (if ever it does).

    Next year, the UFA goalie pool is better. I’m not sure if any of these guys have re-signed yet, but CapGeek lists these names: Lundqvist, Miller, Hiller, Halak, Nabokov, Elliott, Vokoun, Emery. Some of them will be pricey as hell, but you might also be cutting the 3.5M Dubnyk makes. The backup market also looks decent too.

    I’m not at all a fan of trading the future for potentially one year of Lundqvist or Miller… so I’d just try and sign Bryzgalov before he goes to another team in search of goaltending. All it will cost is their last slot in the 50-man roster.. and it should be enough to buy some time while Dubnyk’s stress (hopefully) disappears… or hold them over until July when there will be some good goalies on the market.

    It might be hard for Bryz to leave Las Vegas. There is a whole new Universe for him to investigate there.

  160. Dead Cat Bounce says:

    Ribs:
    I say Dubnyk bounces back and a vote of confidence from the GM would be excellent right about now.

    Maybe Katz can come out of the bat cave and say “Dubnyk’s not going anywhere”.

    That seemed to work last time.

  161. FPB94 says:

    Ilya Bryzgalov’s last 3 years : ,909

    Devan Dubnyk last 3 year: ,917

    Don’t get swayed by sample size. It’s 4 games. 4.

    It’s like you all personally resent Dubnyk for ruining your hopes for this year.

  162. ohhell says:

    Henry,

    I believe Nuge pushed for Laleggia.

  163. magisterrex says:

    Anyone suggesting that Dubynk’s confidence is shot by his GM calling him out is just betraying an anti-Oilers management bias. Dubynk has fundamental errors in his goaltending skillset right now, and needs some time “away from it all” to seek enlightenment. Perhaps a “conditioning” stint with the Barons might help.

    MacT identified Dubynk as a problem long before the season began; could he have been advised by his goaltending coach that the equipment issue would exacerbate Dubynk’s weaknesses?

    You know you’ve sunk a long ways when knowledgeable Oilers fans are calling for Bryzgalov to replace you. Ouch.

  164. Lowetide says:

    I think it’s completely possible for:

    1. MacT to express concern about goaltending
    2. MacT to pursue other goalies
    3. Dubnyk to express surprise about MacT’s activities
    4. Both men to move on
    5. Dubnyk doing the work required to play the season

    ALL of those things happened. The goaltending part has not come through yet. I think there’s genuine cause for concern, but hope Dubnyk can turn it around. I think they should play LaBarbera tomorrow night and if things go well play him the next night in Pittsburgh.

  165. FPB94 says:

    MacT’s just trying to hide the fact he couldn’t fix the real issues (having competent grinders and get a prime time guy on D), by flashing bells and whistles at the goalie situation, like any management that doesn’t know what it’s doing.

    Blaming the last years on goal tending is astoundingly oblivious.

  166. magisterrex says:

    FPB94:
    MacT’s just trying to hide the fact he couldn’t fix the real issues (having competent grinders and get a prime time guy on D), by flashing bells and whistles at the goalie situation, like any management that doesn’t know what it’s doing.

    Blaming the last years on goal tending is astoundingly oblivious.

    So…you believe that Dubnyk is doing OK in net this year and that his goals against are the fault of the grinders on the team?

  167. FPB94 says:

    magisterrex,

    I don’t believe he’s been doing okay this year. SImply that other featured prime time goalies have had such bad stretches (see my post above, where Price, Rinne, Ward, Lundqvist all had similar stretch, this year or the last).

    I’m just saying he chose to do ”identify” this weakness cause he couldn’t fix the others and he’s going to milk this narrative as much as he can to buy time.

    Even if Dubnyk does fix his issue and performs great I think this team still blows.

  168. Zelepukin says:

    oilersfan:
    somebody in the Oilogosphere needs to make a law now about suggesting the tradingof Yakupov for any player , especially for a goalie, illegal. There is not a goalie in the NHL the oilers should trade Yak for, including Rinne, Qucik, and Lundqvist. So many here are aware of the inconsistent nature of goaltending, and how muc of it is dependant on the system the goalie plays. Even looking in hindsight, the only goalie of my lifetime, the last 40 years, I would have used a # 1 overall pick on was Hasek. He was the only goalie I have ever seen consistently win games singlehandedly for a long period of time. To me, almost all the other ones have been overrated by the team and system they play for, especially Brodeur and Roy.

    Yak is likely to be a multi 40 goal scorer, close to Stamkos in natural ability. Once his head catches up to his feet and his talent level he will be considered one of the top 10 scorers in the NHL. These are the types of players never available via trade or free agency. It should be the type of comment that commentators get embarassed over immediately because time will surely do it for them. Gregor scoffed the other day that Montreal would never trade Carey Price for Yak! IF the Oilers did that trade I might never cheer for them again. I once called in to Gregor’s show criticizing Pittsburgh for usng their first overall to get Fleury when they could have taken Eric Staal. He laughed at me saying Fleury is integral to the team and they couldn’t win without him. i retored he was no matter than Roloson or any Craig Anderson and was a waste of a first overall pick. I think i have been shown to be right on that and any dumb move to get a goalie now would be as stupid as the comments Gregor made then and Friday.

    Goaltending is always inconsistent and streaky. The Oilers best move today is likely to do what LT suggested, let Dubnyk sit for a bit and regain some composure. It is too bad they couldn’t send him to the AHL without risking losing him on waiver. I suspect it might also make sense to sign Brysgalov who only 2.5 years ago was considered the best goalie UFA available in recent memory. How soon people forget the fickleness and unprecitability of NHL goaltending.

    I would not trade even a second round pick for a NHL goalie, unless it was a proven top 10 over 5 consecutive years,, who of course would not be available for a second round pick. Better to sign the Andersons and Bishops of the world.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Labarbara does an excellent job with a few consecutive games and Dubnyk rebounds sooner than we all think. FPB made an excellent post earlier about how the allstar goalies all go through rough spots and I am completely confident that is what is happening with Dubnyk now. It is amplified by how early it is in the season but there are still 77 games to go so we all need to relax and go for a walk, it is a beautiful day in Edmonton!

    Happy THanksgiving everybody.

    I whole-heartedly agree.

    We’ll give Dubs another chance, hopefully after LaBarbs stabilizes us with a couple W’s. On several occassions Eakins has said that Dubs is one of the most vocal and team guys in the dressing room, with a very good work ethic, despite some of you saying (i think Bookje) that he has an attitude problem.
    Did he cost us the game? Yes. Is he playing like a #1 goalie? No. Can he? Potentially but there is uncertainty, that we all can agree on.

    As for Arco, I have to confess that he has converted me as a believer. I didn’t expect him to be this reliable as the Gagner replacement. He hasn’t stuck out as an offensive threat but he also hasn’t been a defensive liability either. He has been a large contributor to the fact that we are 3rd in the league on face-offs. That is an incredible improvement on last year.

  169. Big Dan says:

    Woodguy,

    He also had a 10-4-1 record and we all loved him. I’ll never forget when MacT pulled Conklin and stuck Morrison in for the shootout. Conklin’s expression was priceless.

  170. magisterrex says:

    FPB94:
    magisterrex,

    I don’t believe he’s been doing okay this year. SImply that other featured prime time goalies have had such bad stretches (see my post above, where Price, Rinne, Ward, Lundqvist all had similar stretch, this year or the last).

    I’m just saying he chose to do ”identify” this weakness cause he couldn’t fix the others and he’s going to milk this narrative as much as he can to buy time.

    Even if Dubnyk does fix his issue and performs great I think this team still blows.

    I’m confused by your stance. MacT brings in 357 defensemen because he identifies a weakness on D. He changes over the bottom 6 because he identifies a problem there. He changes the head coach because he identifies a problem there. Goals for are up, corsi is better, and you think that he wasn’t able to fix any problems because he still thinks Dubynk may not be all that and a bag of chips?

    Yowsers.

  171. art vandelay says:

    The Oilers still suck?
    Hey, no way!
    /said nobody outside of Edmonton

  172. Ryan says:

    FPB94:
    magisterrex,

    I don’t believe he’s been doing okay this year. SImply that other featured prime time goalies have had such bad stretches (see my post above, where Price, Rinne, Ward, Lundqvist all had similar stretch, this year or the last).

    I’m just saying he chose to do ”identify” this weakness cause he couldn’t fix the others and he’s going to milk this narrative as much as he can to buy time.

    Even if Dubnyk does fix his issue and performs great I think this team still blows.

    That’s a fair assessment. I get what you’re saying in that even with better goaltending, this isn’t a very good hockey team. I can’t say there’s a tremendous argument to disagree with you at this point.

  173. FPB94 says:

    magisterrex,

    He brought in 350 defensemen and the team his improving, but we still have the same recurring issues (no real N1 defensemen, and our bottom lines are still shit).

    Basically I’m just saying he’s creating a non-issue to give him enough time to fix the real problems long term.

    (That or he hates Devan Dubnyk)

  174. G Money says:

    So here we are, 5 games of lousy goaltending into the season, 1-3-1 instead of (arguably) 3-2, i.e. 3 pts behind the pace, and the panic button is being pressed.

    Not to be the voice of sanity or anything, but it might be worthwhile to remember something. I will put it in all caps because it is worth shouting.

    ALL GOALIES HAVE BAD STREAKS.
    ALL GOALIES HAVE GOOD STREAKS.
    THESE STREAKS CAN EASILY LAST TEN GAMES OR MORE, NEVER MIND 4 GAMES.
    A BAD STREAK DOES NOT MAKE A GOOD GOALIE BAD.
    A GOOD STREAK DOES NOT MAKE A BAD GOALIE GOOD.

    Rather than argue, I’m going to suggest you cast your mind all the way back to October 2011. After ten games, a certain team we all know and can barely stand to love was:

    6-2-2
    Sv % 0.935 (!!!!!)

    The typical fan was already dreaming of the return of the prodigal Stanley to the fair city of Edmonton.

    Meanwhile, sober voices (yes, I was sober then) were pointing out that:
    - Such a save percentage simply wasn’t sustainable. It was simply inconsistent with the history of either goalie. It was a hot streak and nothing more.
    - In the mean time, the team itself was bad, a statistic manifesting itself in both Corsi and in shot count. After 10 games, the team was averaging 25.5 SF and 29.8 SA, a differential of -4.3 per game. Shot differential correlates to points more than any other metric.
    - In other words – once the goalie hot streak ran out, the sober voices said, the team was likely to be cooked.

    Anyone remember what happened by the end of the year to that very same team?

    This year, that team has a 1-3-1 record through 5 games BUT a sv % of 0.8 – a goalie on a horrible cold streak -and a shot differential of -3, or -0.6 per game (of which -21 was the Vancouver game, meaning the team has actually outshot its opposition by a total of 18 shots, or +4.25 per game over the other four games).

    Do I need to point out why I’m comparing these two years?

  175. Wes Mantooth-11 says:

    I would think that Buffalo does a trade that involves a 1st overall, If I’m the Oilers I offer a 1st and Roy to Buffalo for a sign and trade of Miller.

    Miller gets his trade, is closer to his wife and the Oilers get a bonafide #1.

  176. FPB94 says:

    Wes Mantooth-11,

    1st Overall for Miller. Holy shit.

  177. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    art vandelay,

    Hi Art!

  178. Ice Sage says:

    FPB94:
    Wes Mantooth-11,

    1st Overall for Miller. Holy shit.

    Jeebus, man – qualify your responses – I thought that was a statement of fact!

    That being said, I’m all for it. Miller (if he’s fully recovered from concussion) is worth it. He’s an athletic, hard-battling goalie who will be a catalyst for this group, one that has just got it’s team system / offensive shite together, only to be undermined by this DD debacle.

    Maybe a few lower picks and a grade A prospect will do.

  179. FPB94 says:

    Ice Sage,

    hahaha. So Miller who has saved less pucks then Dubnyk on a better team will somehow make it work?

  180. FastOil says:

    Miller is 33, mouthy in a way I don’t like and .915 over the last 3 years. And he’s UFA. Throw a first at that? – madness. Pass. LaBarbera was .923 last year. Why have both Oiler goalies tanked? Have they hired Tonya Harding as assistant goalie coach?

  181. mustang says:

    Sorry if this has been posted, I haven’t read any yet but I will. This situation has me and everyone very concerned. The last thing we need is a knee jerk reaction and do the wrong thing. I wonder if this was all by design. It’s a well know fact MacT tried to upgrade the goaltending since he became GM, or did he? Was this done on purpose to put heat on DD? To see if he can stand the heat and the pressure?

    It’s game 7 OT all the cards are on the table, it’s do or die, will we cave or not. I would personally like to know now if he can handle a pressure situation. It’s looking like no to me. We all know in life we either fold like a cheap tent or we excel in pressure situations, there is none greater in sports than a OT in the final game. I don’t care what the situation is ,DD won’t win this scenario, and I was a believer till now.I’m glad we found this out. You either perform under the heat or you don’t,we know the answer Oiler fans. IT IS OVER FOR DD.I’m thinking MacT is a smart man and played a little mind game with his #1 goalie. Will this bother him or not? Will he shit the bed or will he stand up and be counted…we know the answer if intended or not.

  182. mustang says:

    Woodguy: I think the Oilers are doing well with this system and will excel with it.

    It plays to a very fast transition game, which is their strength.They may be a better fast break team than any other.

    A coach should coach to a strength and put players in a position to succeed, no?

    With NHL average goaltending the Oilers are 3-2 and maybe 4-1 to start the season.

    I agrree, this system is perfect for the oilers, they are drafted and designed to play this agressive style. I want to see Jschultz be held accountable for his many blunders, and there has been many since last year. This young man has immense talent but he needs to learn his position.

  183. mustang says:

    106 and 106:
    Backbreaking how Dubs has four bad nights at work and his job he’s worked his whole life at getting may be lost forever.

    Glad I don’t have that job.

    (Hopefully he’s invested wisely).

    I wish I did.

  184. mustang says:

    ohhell:
    prairieschooner,

    If DD was immeasurable damaged by MacT’s lack of confidence, then DD was never our man.Goalies face immense pressure, particularly down the stretch and in the playoffs (much like QBs in folltball).MacT has not wrecked DD.

    DD is whatever he chooses to be; a little philosophical, but true none the less.These are professional athletes in an industry that demands performance.DD should have shown up prepared to silence the nay-sayers.

    I would argue that DD is wrecking MacT.

    I agree and disagree, if DD can’t handle the heat, “Get out of the kitchen”, saying that…nobody but yourself makes you look bad…DD doesn’t make MacT look bad, MacT makes MacT look bad.

  185. mustang says:

    Ribs:
    I say Dubnyk bounces back and a vote of confidence from the GM would be excellent right about now.

    If he actually plays well and deserves a vote of confidence then yes, this isn’t play school it’s professional hockey and he’s a big boy now..no pats on the back for trying and confirming everything is grand.

  186. stubblejumper says:

    One of Dubnyk’s pre-game interviews was quite telling imho. He seems to be under the impression that he’s about 85 ft tall and 85 ft wide and is so large that all he needs to do is stand there and make minimal movements and he’s set. This could perhaps explain some of his positional play and why he’s standing on the goal line most of the time….and out of position. I’m not sure who’s put these ideas in his head, but that needs to be corrected pretty quick. Perhaps time to find a new goalie coach for starters.

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