#1 PROSPECT (winter 2013): DARNELL NURSE

An emotional Darnell Nurse was one of four players reassigned September 24. His impressive showing made it more difficult to send him down, and it’ll be more difficult next September. What is the Nurse ETA?

PREVIOUSLY NUMBER ONE ON THE WINTER LIST

  • December 2004: C Rob Schremp
  • December 2005: G Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers
  • December 2006: L Viacheslav Trukhno
  • December 2007: C Sam Gagner
  • December 2008: C Riley Nash
  • December 2009: L Magnus Paajarvi
  • December 2010: L Taylor Hall
  • December 2011: C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
  • December 2012: R Nail Yakupov

 WHAT THEY SAID ON DRAFT DAY

Photo by Terry Wilson / OHL Images.

  • Bob McKenzie: 9
  • Redline: 8
  • Craig Button: 8
  • ISS: 6
  • Kyle Woodlief — USA Today: is the most naturally physical defender available. He made good strides in his offensive game and has a heavy shot that is an asset on the power play. He likes to dish out punishment along the walls and easily separates his check from the puck. Nurse also scores off the charts in both his character and intelligence levels, and at a gangly 6-5, already has the footwork of a much smaller man.
  • Corey Pronman — Hockey Prospectus: Nurse had a considerable amount of hype at the beginning of the season, and he has exceeded all expectations. He is a gifted physical player who has all the natural tools a scout could want from a defenseman. He has slowly begun to emerge as a two-way player, but his value comes from his high-end work in his own end. Nurse is a tall defender with an aggressive edge and the strength to consistently push his checks off pucks. He has above-average mobility, especially considering his larger size.
  • OHL PROSPECTS: Nurse is definitely my top prospect available from the OHL. The thing I like most about Nurse is how much he improved this season from the last. You need to look at that progression and think about just how good he could be, if he continues to tap into his athletic bloodlines (father was a CFL player), and continues to improve. He’s certainly a potential dynamo at both ends of the ice. His size (6’5, pushing 200lbs), makes him an asset in the defensive end. As does his skating ability. He’s incredibly difficult to get around and he’s physical enough to intimidate. As he gets stronger, I expect his physical game to become more consistent and more effective. He certainly has the mentality to be a bruiser.
  • Craig MacTavish: “He gives us an element we’re sorely lacking. He’s a guy who, over time, if we’re patient with him, is going to provide us with toughness. He’s a guy that will ride shotgun for a lot of our first overall picks and our skilled players for a lot of years. But our overriding draft philosophy is still to draft the player who is going to have the greatest impact on our team over time.  Based on that philosophy, I still thought Darnell was the player who is going to have the greatest impact on our team.”

nurse comparables at evens

2013-14

nurse commonPOINTS BY DISCIPLINE

PLAYER EV PP PK TOTAL
DARNELL NURSE 2012-13 68, 10-17-27(.397) 68, 2-10-12 (.176) 68, 0-2-2 68, 12-29-41 (0.60)
DARNELL NURSE 2013-14 18, 2-6-8     (.444) 18, 4-7-11   (.611) 18, 0-1-1 18, 6-14-20   (1.11)

Nurse’s offense is up at evens and overall, but the big push (and we anticipated it) comes from the powerplay. Nurse is getting 1PP minutes with the Greyhounds and is now beyond a point per game overall. This is extremely rare air we’re talking about now, Michael Parkatti mentioned Alex Pietrangelo as an early comp (these are early days) offensively.

It’s important too to remember that Nurse’s overall value is mostly defense based on his draft day scouting report, and impressive offense is a five-star kicker. If he scores 25 points a season in the NHL as a top 4D that’s going to hold value. If he can score 40? We’re looking at a 25-minute a night defender who can play in all three disciplines (if he continues tracking this way).

WHAT THEY’RE SAYING NOW

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  • Craig MacTavish: “We’ll see where Nurse is next year, whether he’s able to step in but we feel he’s not too far away.”
  • Nurse on his improved shot: “My shot was the weakest part of my game. I knew it had to get better. It absolutely bothered me. In my position, not having a shot was a hard thing to deal with. This summer I took it to another level. To be put in power-play situations, you have to have a big-shot presence from the point.”
  • Sarnia coach Trevor Letowski: “(Nurse is) a physical guy that’s going to be hard on our top players so we’ll try to get them away from him, but again, it’ll be hard because it’s on the road.”
  • Nurse on being part of the November Subway series: “This is another step in the process of making my dream to play for Team Canada a reality. Besides winning in Sault Ste. Marie, my biggest goal this year is to wear that Canada crest at Christmas time.”
  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey: turned a lot of heads at camp, and hung around a whole lot longer than most observers expected. Indeed, he outlasted all but the nine veteran pros (eight with NHL experience, plus 27-year-old Anton Belov). He watched the departures a number of excellent prospects, all of them older than Nurse and some of high draft pedigree: Oscar Klefbom, Martin Marincin, and David Musil were all top 50 draft picks in 2010 or ’11 and were already sent down several days ago. Nurse meanwhile put up a string of impressive performances right through Tuesday night’s game that had tongues wagging.

ETA NURSE

NURSE44In ranking Darnell Nurse #1 overall, I’ve taken into account his wide range of skills, Eric Tulsky’s work last season in regard to difficulty of opposition (and anecdotal information on this year that suggests he’s playing big, tough minutes) and the surge offensively we’ve seen this year. I’m also warmed by Michael Parkatti’s tweet this week (“Nurse turning into Pietrangelo would solve a few problems. Latter had 29 pts in 36 OHL games draft+1. Nurse’s pace above that.”) and what that might mean–early days warning applies.

The Oilers have drafted wonderful offensive players through the years (Messier, Kurri, Anderson in the beginning and Hall, Nuge, Yak and Eberle in recent years) but a player like Darnell Nurse is a rare thing. He’s long, tall, tough, fast and skilled–if his offense had made itself better known earlier he may not have been available to them.

Nurse ETA: It’s next fall. I don’t think there’s much that can stop it now, Ladislav Smid’s trade indicates where this organization is heading in regard to this player. Darnell Nurse will come to the NHL at age 19, and chances are we’ll see him a lot on the PP and PK along with even strength. He’ll struggle, the team will struggle, but he’s that top pairing stud people are looking for right now. We can argue the wisdom of said decision, but Sault Ste. Marie fans are seeing Edmonton’s future this season. It’s my bet he won’t return for another.

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  1. supernova says:

    Very excited for Darnell Nurse and for the oilers.

    I hope fans and the team don’t expect Chris Pronger right out of the gate. It takes years for most top D to mature. Doughty and Peitrangelo might be the outliers.

    Look to Larson in NJ, Hedman in Tampa, etc

  2. Lowetide says:

    The smart call is to leave him in SSM for his 19-year old season and then 1-1.5 years in the AHL. Worked fine for Larry Robinson!

  3. DBO says:

    So do they sign Belov to only a 2 year deal, with the thought being Klefbom and Nurse fill 2 of the spots in 2 yrs, and Ference is the old dog on the 3rd pairing by then?

    Nurse-Schultz
    Kelfbom-Petry
    Ference-?????

    Gernat, Marincin, Simpson, Larsen, Fedun to fill out another spot or two.

  4. HBomb says:

    Great prospect – very high hopes for this kid.

    That being said…if he’s in the plans for next fall, it says everything one needs to know about what is wrong with this organization.

    - They always count on prospects for immediate help, when doing so is foolhardy (what they need is to trade for what Nurse could become in 3-4 years so that they have it right now)
    - They make dumb decisions when it comes to entry-level contracts (you can justify a forward at age 18-19 making the big league, but rarely, if ever, should a defenseman see the NHL prior to their junior eligibility being up)

    Nurse’s dominance of the OHL this year also exposes the fundamental problem with the NHL/CHL agreement when it comes to 18/19 year old players – some kids are probably too good for junior hockey by this time, but it doesn’t mean they’re good enough for the NHL. Wouldn’t the ideal step next year be a full-season in OKC for Nurse, followed by an NHL debut in the fall of 2015? Sadly, the rules do not allow for this….

  5. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    I’m also warmed by Michael Parkatti’s tweet this week (“Nurse turning into Pietrangelo would solve a few problems. Latter had 29 pts in 36 OHL games draft+1. Nurse’s pace above that.”) and what that might mean–early days warning applies.

    I too am warmed by this tweet.

    I’ve decided to rely on MP’s tweets in lieu of cups of cocoa going forward.

  6. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    supernova: Doughty and Peitrangelo might be the outliers.

    Pietrangelo wasn’t right out of the box either… he was kind of all over the place, but first proper NHL season was draft year +3

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=96594

  7. dessert1111 says:

    Even if he is an oiler next year, this team still needs a top pairing guy — one that can help mentor him. If they get that, the D might actually be a strength in two years:

    Nurse – ?
    Klefbom – petry
    Ference – j Schultz
    (Belov-fedun)

    Looking at it this way, I really dont like that ference signing. They need a top guy, not a bottom one. Ference’s spot could be taken by belov or one of the various prospects — at least one of whom should be able to arrive for a bottom pairing role within 2 year.

    Thank god we have nurse though, it gives us hope of a top pairing guy.

  8. Woodguy says:

    OT

    Posted this in the last thread as to explain my reasoning on Couturier:

    This is why I lust after Couturier as 2C for the Oilers:

    1) Sawed off against the best as a 18-19 year old without the best linemates

    Everyone loves a line or player that can elevate a line that will get 50%CF against the best in the NHL. These players are fairly rare and are usually very good.

    The fact that Couturier managed to do this as a 18 and 19 year old is quite impressive.
    Here is a link to his numbers for his first 2 years in the league:
    http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1509&withagainst=true&season=2011-13&sit=5v5

    He posted a 49.2%.

    His most common linemates over the 2 years are Talbot, Rinaldo and Reed. Not exactly amazing linemates.

    2) He achieved his 49.2% with meh line mates while getting the Maholtra/Gordon treatment.
    Couturier started in offensive zone 40.4% of the time in 11/12 and 32.1% of the time in 12/13
    Both years it was the lowest on the team.

    Being able to saw off vs the toughest opponents, with meh help, while starting the majority of the time in Dzone is simply incredible.

    To do all that as a 18-19 year old is simply unheard of.

    3) Has a history of offense

    Couturier scored 96pts in 58 games in his draft year.

    He also scored 28pts in 31 games in the AHL

    In those situations he was a feature C getting offensive line mates, and probably not tied the rock of hellacious zone starts.

    Its probably safe to say if he was given Gagner’s most common line mates over the same stretch : Hemsky, Eberle, Hall he would have produced offence more in line with his history.

    Its also probably safe to say that if he had Gagner’s zone starts (54.1% and 51.4%) over the same time period, he would have produced offence more in line with his history.

    Its also probably safe to say that if he had Gagner’s quality of compeition (2nd line as opposed to best line) he would have produced offence more in line with his history.

    The Oilers have a pile of talent on the wings.

    What the need from their 2C is someone to help cover the defensive deficiencies while helping add offence.

    I don’t think there is a more suitable candidate than Couturier.

    I think he would bring as much offense as you would lose in Eberle going the other way (or close0, but he would bring up the defensive ability 10 fold.

    He’s also on a ridiculously cheap contract of $1.75/yr for the next two years and would provide some much needed cap flexibility.

    Its such a huge win on so many fronts that paying a bit too much for him will seem like peanuts in about 20 games, let alone the 5 years you are guaranteed to have him.

  9. Lowetide says:

    The proper order is:

    2014 fall: Marincin
    2015 fall: Klefbom
    2016 fall: Nurse

    but they’ll trade Marincin to Philadelphia this week.

  10. Zelepukin says:

    Woodguy:
    OT

    Posted this in the last thread as to explain my reasoning on Couturier:

    This is why I lust after Couturier as 2C for the Oilers:

    1) Sawed off against the best as a 18-19 year old without the best linemates

    Everyone loves a line or player that can elevate a line that will get 50%CF against the best in the NHL. These players are fairly rare and are usually very good.

    The fact that Couturier managed to do this as a 18 and 19 year old is quite impressive.
    Here is a link to his numbers for his first 2 years in the league:
    http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1509&withagainst=true&season=2011-13&sit=5v5

    He posted a 49.2%.

    His most common linemates over the 2 years are Talbot, Rinaldo and Reed. Not exactly amazing linemates.

    2) He achieved his 49.2% with meh line mates while getting the Maholtra/Gordon treatment.
    Couturier started in offensive zone 40.4% of the time in 11/12 and 32.1% of the time in 12/13
    Both years it was the lowest on the team.

    Being able to saw off vs the toughest opponents, with meh help, while starting the majority of the time in Dzone is simply incredible.

    To do all that as a 18-19 year old is simply unheard of.

    3) Has a history of offense

    Couturier scored 96pts in 58 games in his draft year.

    He also scored 28pts in 31 games in the AHL

    In those situations he was a feature C getting offensive line mates, and probably not tied the rock of hellacious zone starts.

    Its probably safe to say if he was given Gagner’s most common line mates over the same stretch : Hemsky, Eberle, Hall he would have produced offence more in line with his history.

    Its also probably safe to say that if he had Gagner’s zone starts (54.1% and 51.4%) over the same time period, he would have produced offence more in line with his history.

    Its also probably safe to say that if he had Gagner’s quality of compeition (2nd line as opposed to best line) he would have produced offence more in line with his history.

    The Oilers have a pile of talent on the wings.

    What the need from their 2C is someone to help cover the defensive deficiencies while helping add offence.

    I don’t think there is a more suitable candidate than Couturier.

    I think he would bring as much offense as you would lose in Eberle going the other way (or close0, but he would bring up the defensive ability 10 fold.

    He’s also on a ridiculously cheap contract of $1.75/yr for the next two years and would provide some much needed cap flexibility.

    Its such a huge win on so many fronts that paying a bit too much for him will seem like peanuts in about 20 games, let alone the 5 years you are guaranteed to have him.

    all reasons why you would never trade Couturier.

  11. Woodguy says:

    Zelepukin: all reasons why you would never trade Couturier.

    Yes, but the ace in the hole is Holmgren/Snider

    The history of the NHL is littered with teams trading away Couturiers.

  12. Woodguy says:

    Nurse is going to fill a large organization need if he progresses the way we hope. (knocks on wood, throws salt over shoulder, turns around 3 time, etc etc)

    He *might* be able to handle 1LD in about 3-4 years, and that’s pushing it.

    1LD in the NHL are usually 25 years old+ and many are 27+ before they become true 1LD.

    As it was noted, Pietrangelo and Doughty are the exception, not the rule. You cannot bank on exception.

    Oilers need to do something about 1LD well before then.

  13. D says:

    LT,

    Do you think that Nurse could become that #1 stud defenseman (i.e. Pronger/Coffey) that the Oilers seek, or does he max out at 2-4?

  14. Lowetide says:

    D:
    LT,

    Do you think that Nurse could become that #1 stud defenseman (i.e. Pronger/Coffey) that the Oilers seek, or does he max out at 2-4?

    We don’t know yet. Nurse has all kinds of good arrows and has been healthy too, so the indicators are positive. However, it’s a long process and there’s all kinds of trials ahead. I’ll try to be patent, Ladislav Smid taught me that much. :-)

  15. Brackenburied says:

    Lowetide:
    The proper order is:

    2014 fall: Marincin
    2015 fall: Klefbom
    2016 fall: Nurse

    but they’ll trade Marincin to Philadelphia this week.

    That makes far too much sense and seems like a well thought out plan. Sooo, never gonna happen.

  16. RMGS says:

    Woodguy:
    OT

    Posted this in the last thread as to explain my reasoning on Couturier:

    This is why I lust after Couturier as 2C for the Oilers:

    1) Sawed off against the best as a 18-19 year old without the best linemates

    Everyone loves a line or player that can elevate a line that will get 50%CF against the best in the NHL. These players are fairly rare and are usually very good.

    The fact that Couturier managed to do this as a 18 and 19 year old is quite impressive.
    Here is a link to his numbers for his first 2 years in the league:
    http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1509&withagainst=true&season=2011-13&sit=5v5

    He posted a 49.2%.

    His most common linemates over the 2 years are Talbot, Rinaldo and Reed. Not exactly amazing linemates.

    2) He achieved his 49.2% with meh line mates while getting the Maholtra/Gordon treatment.
    Couturier started in offensive zone 40.4% of the time in 11/12 and 32.1% of the time in 12/13
    Both years it was the lowest on the team.

    Being able to saw off vs the toughest opponents, with meh help, while starting the majority of the time in Dzone is simply incredible.

    To do all that as a 18-19 year old is simply unheard of.

    3) Has a history of offense

    Couturier scored 96pts in 58 games in his draft year.

    He also scored 28pts in 31 games in the AHL

    In those situations he was a feature C getting offensive line mates, and probably not tied the rock of hellacious zone starts.

    Its probably safe to say if he was given Gagner’s most common line mates over the same stretch : Hemsky, Eberle, Hall he would have produced offence more in line with his history.

    Its also probably safe to say that if he had Gagner’s zone starts (54.1% and 51.4%) over the same time period, he would have produced offence more in line with his history.

    Its also probably safe to say that if he had Gagner’s quality of compeition (2nd line as opposed to best line) he would have produced offence more in line with his history.

    The Oilers have a pile of talent on the wings.

    What the need from their 2C is someone to help cover the defensive deficiencies while helping add offence.

    I don’t think there is a more suitable candidate than Couturier.

    I think he would bring as much offense as you would lose in Eberle going the other way (or close0, but he would bring up the defensive ability 10 fold.

    He’s also on a ridiculously cheap contract of $1.75/yr for the next two years and would provide some much needed cap flexibility.

    Its such a huge win on so many fronts that paying a bit too much for him will seem like peanuts in about 20 games, let alone the 5 years you are guaranteed to have him.

    Compelling argument, but you’d be dealing a proven .8 PPG 23 year-old top-six forward who’s decent defensively for a good current shut-down 3C hoping he fulfills his offensive potential in a top-six role. It’s a gamble to say the least.

  17. Manitoba Oilers says:

    DBO:
    So do they sign Belov to only a 2 year deal, with the thought being Klefbom and Nurse fill 2 of the spots in 2 yrs, and Ference is the old dog on the 3rd pairing by then?

    Nurse-Schultz
    Kelfbom-Petry
    Ference-?????

    Gernat, Marincin, Simpson, Larsen, Fedun to fill out another spot or two.

    No in all honesty I think Ference gets bought out and Belov will definitely stay

  18. Esa10 says:

    Nothing but good arrows on Nurse. Although that 2010 draft had us all dreaming of gold until recently. The development curve is never straight.

    Stamkos broken leg. Does Tampa Bay weather the storm or do they take a chance on a skilled C like Gagner?

    What would the ask be? That Killorn kid and Andrey Vasilevskiy?

  19. D says:

    Lowetide,

    Two games and I miss Laddy already :)

  20. Tarkus says:

    Not sure if this was mentioned elsewhere, but Jujhar Khaira is back in the Everett lineup today. First game since Oct. 12.

    http://www.whl.ca/schedule/show/game/65631

  21. Manitoba Oilers says:

    Lowetide:
    The proper order is:

    2014 fall: Marincin
    2015 fall: Klefbom
    2016 fall: Nurse

    but they’ll trade Marincin to Philadelphia this week.

    2017 fall: Ekblad
    But Seriously I would go
    One of Marincin or Klefbom 2014 spring
    Nurse start next year
    And the other of Klefbom or Marincin later that spring

  22. Zelepukin says:

    Esa10: Stamkos broken leg. Does Tampa Bay weather the storm or do they take a chance on a skilled C like Gagner?

    If he is out for the seasons I’d be surprised if they do nothing. Not sure if Bishop can carry them for the rest of the season, considering that the Stamkos-St.Louis combo has probably contributed for over half their offensive production.

    I can see Yzerman waiting to see how their next 5 or so games plays out, how they adapt and looking for some offensive replacements. Gags isn’t exactly a desirable option. Hemmer is more likely, but I’m not sure what their RW depth is like.

  23. hockeyguy10 says:

    Lowetide:
    The smart call is to leave him in SSM for his 19-year old season and then 1-1.5 years in the AHL. Worked fine for Larry Robinson!

    LT,

    Not sure there was opportunity for a young D on the 71/72 Habs.Man what a line-up…Harper,JC Tremblay,Lapointe,Savard and Laperierre. I think if the Habs had the Oilers projected D for 13/14 back then Big Bird might have gone straight to the big league.
    :-)

    I just don’t see what Nurse learns from another year in the OHL. Players of his caliber need to keep challenging themselves.Like HBomb,I think the AHL would be perfect for him next year.

  24. Woodguy says:

    RMGS: Compelling argument, but you’d be dealing a proven .8 PPG 23 year-old top-six forward who’s decent defensively for a good current shut-down 3C hoping he fulfills his offensive potential in a top-six role.It’s a gamble to say the least.

    2C is a giant hole on the Oilers.

    RW is position of strength with Gagner, Hemsky and Yak being able.

    Yes, it requires trading a good player, but they player coming back is what they need.

    Trade from strength to address weakness.

  25. CurtisS says:

    This isnt good

    Craig Custance ‏@CraigCustance 3m
    Igor Larionov says he’s got a trip planned to Edmonton to discuss how Nail Yakupov is being used. Pretty unhappy.

  26. Woodguy says:

    Craig Custance ‏@CraigCustance 5m

    Igor Larionov says he’s got a trip planned to Edmonton to discuss how Nail Yakupov is being used. Pretty unhappy.

  27. Lowetide says:

    CurtisS:
    This isnt good

    Craig Custance ‏@CraigCustance 3m
    Igor Larionov says he’s got a trip planned to Edmonton to discuss how Nail Yakupov is being used. Pretty unhappy.

    We’re ALL unhappy about how Nail’s being used. Maybe Igor can help.

  28. CurtisS says:

    Lowetide: We’re ALL unhappy about how Nail’s being used. Maybe Igor can help.

    IMO it shouldnt take a player agent to come out and help.

  29. Lowetide says:

    hockeyguy10: LT,

    Not sure there was opportunityfor a young D on the 71/72 Habs.Man what a line-up…Harper,JC Tremblay,Lapointe,Savard and Laperierre. I think if the Habs had the Oilers projected D for 13/14 back then Big Bird might have gone straight to the big league.:-)

    I just don’t see what Nurse learns from another year in the OHL. Players of his caliber need to keep challenging themselves.Like HBomb,I think the AHL would be perfect for him next year.

    I’m sure that’s what the Oilers will be thinking too–that’s the reason the same (basic) management group kept Ales Hemsky at age 19. He’s not going back to junior next fall, I’d bet Woodguy’s house on it. :-)

  30. Lowetide says:

    CurtisS: IMO it shouldnt take a player agent to come out and help.

    Yakupov is odd man out on the top 6F, I can understand the agent being upset. He’s also not being used much on the PP–even when he’s out there the flow doesn’t go through him at all. Line him up on the RH side and send him 11 pucks a PP. That’s better than what we’re watching now!

  31. stevezie says:

    Lowetide,

    I think this is probably good news. If there is a disconnect between Nail and the Coaches Igor is the man to fix it. Igor became one of the best players in the world through a brilliant understanding of a team game. He can explain certain things to Yak that it appears he is not getting.

    Sometimes it’s easier to hear it from a friend.

    Woodguy,

    I’ve always wondered how much horse-trading really goes on. Does MacT phone Holmgren and persuade him to take Gagner, or does he say, “I’ll give you Gagner”, Holmgren answers, “I want Eberle”, and the rest is a staring contest?

    I’ve talked people into things in fantasy hockey, but that’s because it is easy to point out things they haven’t considered because most fans are a lot more casual than they realize. This doesn’t apply to real hockey.

  32. fifthcartel says:

    I feel this will be the end of either Yak or Hemsky, probably trading Hemsky to allow Yakupov to play in the top 6.

  33. stevezie says:

    HBomb,

    Send him to Sweden! Why doesn’t anyone try this?

  34. supernova says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Romulus Apotheosis: Pietrangelo wasn’t right out of the box either… he was kind of all over the place, but first proper NHL season was draft year +3

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=96594

    3 seasons is an outlier.

    Especially with coming in that season and being a top pairing D almost instantly, plus has had almost no regression, and by almost all accounts has become a “all situations” player.

    I am not sure if there was another D that St. Louis would trade him for straight up. ( including contracts)

    If Nurse was even close to any of this in timeline and production it is grand slam. That’s what I would call an outlier.

  35. Bank Shot says:

    Nurse shouldn’t be on the team next season.

  36. godot10 says:

    stevezie:
    Lowetide,

    I think this is probably good news. If there is a disconnect between Nail and the Coaches Igor is the man to fix it. Igor became one of the best players in the world through a brilliant understanding of a team game. He can explain certain things to Yak that it appears he is not getting.

    Igor knows all about egomanical dictatorial coaches. #notQuinn #notBowman

  37. Old School G says:

    I’m hoping that Nurse can develop similar to Weber. It looks like Nashville gave Weber a little more that half a season in the AHL before bringing him up to the NHL in his 20 year old season. If we can get that type of timeline with Nurse and have Klefbom following close behind I’m sitting here pretty hopeful.

    I tend to agree with you LT. Marincin is the odd man out. If he’s part of a package that brings us our #1 D man to guide Nurse and Klefbom I’m completely ok with this.

  38. Bruce McCurdy says:

    So many up arrows in this post, I can’t believe it’s about an Oiler. Very excited about this player.

  39. godot10 says:

    Klefbom hasn’t played enough games in OKC yet to get a sense of his timeline.

    I think anything pre-Olympic break would be a horrible mistake.

    Post the Olympic break it will probably be worthwhile to give both Klefbom and Marincin a taste. We will all be ready to kill ourselves by then, and with all the home games, they will at least give the fans something to be curious about to come and see on “the road to Reinhart”.

    #breakingbadforEckblad (TM) is actually better, but the Oilers need a centre.

  40. Southern Oil says:

    I guess one of the things that I was not expecting this year was to see some weird decisions. I figured that was gone with Ralph. The other day in OT with the man advantage, I almost reflexively expected to see Yak City. Didn’t make the ice until the game was won almost after the PP had expired. Then another last night, with Gagner in his own zone face off, with 20sec or so on the clock. He would be one of the last guys I would have picked for that draw. I’m not saying I want Eakins gone. But some of these things I was not expecting to see before the season began. Maybe I just don’t get the finer points of the game or understand it as well as the guys upstairs. But I am seeing Gagner bad and have been for quite some time now. .

    I’ve gotten over the lost season. I just want to see progress here on out. If they can start to get his systems and start burning some rubber before the season closes.

    But I am glad that Igor is coming because honestly, the fact remains, sometimes I wonder how they are using him. Maybe Igor can get him focused and more clear. Imagine trying to understand the swarm if it was explained to you in Russian.

    This whole things a cluster. I am grabbing another glass of wine and they are not even playing tonight! LOL!

  41. Hockeyman 99 says:

    3 things

    Couturier may turn out to be Rob Zamuner just as Likely as he does Micheal Peca.

    I do think Eakins might think he had a secret to success no other coach knew about in the NHL and he won’t last the year, unless he switches strategy.

    Trading established Ability for promise is what teams starting to rebuild do. The oilers need to be trading promise for established. We need Peron’s not more Paajarvi’s, (although I would claim him on waivers if it comes up).

  42. pboy says:

    With Stamkos out and Nash still struggling with a concussion, it probably increases the chances of Hall getting a long look for the Olympic team. Best case scenario for the Oilers is him sharing a locker room with those guys.

  43. Hockeyman 99 says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    It might be a Mirage

  44. Hockeyman 99 says:

    Dominant all-around Defenseman and Oilers only get mentioned in trade rumours and reminiscing, at least since 2006

  45. Hockeyman 99 says:

    pboy,

    both RWs

  46. godot10 says:

    Hockeyman 99:
    3 things

    Trading established Ability for promise is what teams starting to rebuild do. The oilers need to be trading promise for established. We need Peron’s not more Paajarvi’s, (although I would claim him on waivers if it comes up).

    You could have signed Penner, and had two wingers for Gagner in Paajarvi and Penner, both big, Paajarvi who can really get the puck up the ice, and Penner who can really finish, and both really defensively responsible.

    #breakingbadforEckblad

  47. Manitoba Oilers says:

    J

    pboy:
    With Stamkos out and Nash still struggling with a concussion, it probably increases the chances of Hall getting a long look for the Olympic team. Best case scenario for the Oilers is him sharing a locker room with those guys.

    Hall was already going to make it hopefully Ebs gets in and RNH since Patrice Bergeron is playing bad e.Staal and Giroux also playing bad

  48. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Hockeyman 99:
    Bruce McCurdy,

    It might be a Mirage

    Isn’t it always?

  49. Manitoba Oilers says:

    Hockeyman 99:
    pboy,

    both RWs

    Stamkos is centre but would have played LW

  50. freedomisamyth says:

    Lowetide: Yakupov is odd man out on the top 6F, I can understand the agent being upset. He’s also not being used much on the PP–even when he’s out there the flow doesn’t go through him at all. Line him up on the RH side and send him 11 pucks a PP. That’s better than what we’re watching now!

    During the first 5 games they fed yak the puck constantly on the PP for the one timer and he did nothing but fumble the puck and miss the net. Maybe now that he seems to be able to handle the puck again, and not panic every time he touches it, we can go back to trying that, but I can understand the reasoning behind taking him off. I realize he’s a young player that needs to develop, but putting him in a key position on the power play even when he is completely screwing it up is neither good for his confidence, nor the confidence his teammates have in him.

    As for being in the top 6, it’s not like he hasn’t been given a chance there either. Frankly Yak has been a disaster every time he is on the ice for most of the season so there is no way he deserves to be in the top 6 in any way shape or form. It hasn’t just been his defensive game either – passing the puck to him has been a guaranteed turnover pretty much, so he hasn’t provided ANYTHING. Thankfully the last few games he seems to be stopping the panic and playing the game we all know he can play, so if he keeps that up then you can start giving him the push more. I think what they will do is probably keep him on the 4th line, but ramp up the power play time and get him feeling good, then look at moving him up the lineup once he has a few more points. This is an especially good time to do it this way right now too, with Gadzic out of the lineup, the 4th line won’t be a typical energy line anyways, so might as well put some skill out there.

  51. Hockeyman 99 says:

    godot10,

    Oh I have all kinds of time for Penner, but is Gagner a good enough player to have Yak on the third line so we can have defensive wingers covering for his shortcomings? He can’t win more face-offs than he looses in his 7th year and he is still missing his man in the D zone. Really like him but he would be better on the wing but when he is put there he sulks and is not effective in either end. He is a good player just a little to one dimensional. I think the only people that wish Paajarvi was still here instead of Peron is St.Louis . That said how much of his, Yaks, Halls, RNH and Eberles defensive problems are a result of Eakins? We better know that before we move anyone.

  52. fifthcartel says:

    Craig Custance ‏@CraigCustance 6m
    If EDM unhappy with him, Larionov said Yak open to trade: “We’re willing to make a move. Any team. That happens and that’s part of life.”

    When is it appropriate to panic?

  53. Pablo Aimar says:

    From the beginning Eakins targeted Yakupov as the guy he would use to stamp his authority. Understandable really; the young Russian who can barely speak English is an easier target than the anointed wonderkids. I am actually suprised its taken Larionov this long to act up. Watching Yak get benched last night while Sam fucking Gagner went rampant must have been the final straw.

  54. spoiler says:

    Yak, sadly, doesn’t appear to be one of the cool kids. The whole damn team won’t pass to him. The inmates seem to be running the prison.

  55. godot10 says:

    Please Daryl. Hire Larionov to replace Lowe.

    #LarionovTide

  56. russ99 says:

    Uh oh…

    I always thought it would be Hall to want out first.

    Team management better start looking closely at what the coaching staff is doing to these guys.

  57. dawgtoy says:

    It seems shockingly fooling to have not signed Belov previous to selling Smid to the enemy. Wouldn’t that give Belov more ammo to play hardball during contract talks? Just an opinion, and sorry if that has been mentioned previously by someone else.

  58. Zelepukin says:

    fifthcartel:
    Craig Custance ‏@CraigCustance 6m
    If EDM unhappy with him, Larionov said Yak open to trade: “We’re willing to make a move. Any team. That happens and that’s part of life.”

    When is it appropriate to panic?

    Wasn’t it just last week that Larinov said he was glad to see that Eakins was vocal about not trading Yaks and that the Oil were committed to his development?

  59. Gret99zky says:

    Good for Yak to want to get off this sinking ship.

    Smid is breathing the free air.

  60. denny33 says:

    Woodguy,

    RMGS: Compelling argument, but you’d be dealing a proven .8 PPG 23 year-old top-six forward who’s decent defensively for a good current shut-down 3C hoping he fulfills his offensive potential in a top-six role.It’s a gamble to say the least.

    2C is a giant hole on the Oilers.

    RW is position of strength with Gagner, Hemsky and Yak being able.

    Yes, it requires trading a good player, but they player coming back is what they need.

    Trade from strength to address weakness.

    ************************************************************************************

    What would you pay for Couturier?

  61. Old School G says:

    fifthcartel:
    Craig Custance ‏@CraigCustance 6m
    If EDM unhappy with him, Larionov said Yak open to trade: “We’re willing to make a move. Any team. That happens and that’s part of life.”

    When is it appropriate to panic?

    I don’t like how all this is going at all. Trade Hemmer, eat some of his salary if you have to. Give Yak his ice and let him go. He’s worth being patient with.

  62. Ryan says:

    Woodguy,

    We all know Lowetide was bullish on Couturier during his draft year. Who could forget that?

    Yeah, he would be good. About the only thing better than getting Couturier would have been if Katz could have got the tandem of Maloney and Tippet.

    Speaking of Maloney and Tippet.

    Would you look at that. 12-4-2 with a bunch of pluggers.

    Either one of Eakins or Mact is not the sharpest knife in the drawer (I’d say Eakins) or Maloney and Tippet can spin straw into gold.

  63. FastOil says:

    Woodguy:
    OT

    Posted this in the last thread as to explain my reasoning on Couturier:

    This is why I lust after Couturier as 2C for the Oilers:

    1) Sawed off against the best as a 18-19 year old without the best linemates

    Everyone loves a line or player that can elevate a line that will get 50%CF against the best in the NHL. These players are fairly rare and are usually very good.

    The fact that Couturier managed to do this as a 18 and 19 year old is quite impressive.
    Here is a link to his numbers for his first 2 years in the league:
    http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1509&withagainst=true&season=2011-13&sit=5v5

    He posted a 49.2%.

    His most common linemates over the 2 years are Talbot, Rinaldo and Reed. Not exactly amazing linemates.

    2) He achieved his 49.2% with meh line mates while getting the Maholtra/Gordon treatment.
    Couturier started in offensive zone 40.4% of the time in 11/12 and 32.1% of the time in 12/13
    Both years it was the lowest on the team.

    Being able to saw off vs the toughest opponents, with meh help, while starting the majority of the time in Dzone is simply incredible.

    To do all that as a 18-19 year old is simply unheard of.

    3) Has a history of offense

    Couturier scored 96pts in 58 games in his draft year.

    He also scored 28pts in 31 games in the AHL

    In those situations he was a feature C getting offensive line mates, and probably not tied the rock of hellacious zone starts.

    Its probably safe to say if he was given Gagner’s most common line mates over the same stretch : Hemsky, Eberle, Hall he would have produced offence more in line with his history.

    Its also probably safe to say that if he had Gagner’s zone starts (54.1% and 51.4%) over the same time period, he would have produced offence more in line with his history.

    Its also probably safe to say that if he had Gagner’s quality of compeition (2nd line as opposed to best line) he would have produced offence more in line with his history.

    The Oilers have a pile of talent on the wings.

    What the need from their 2C is someone to help cover the defensive deficiencies while helping add offence.

    I don’t think there is a more suitable candidate than Couturier.

    I think he would bring as much offense as you would lose in Eberle going the other way (or close0, but he would bring up the defensive ability 10 fold.

    He’s also on a ridiculously cheap contract of $1.75/yr for the next two years and would provide some much needed cap flexibility.

    Its such a huge win on so many fronts that paying a bit too much for him will seem like peanuts in about 20 games, let alone the 5 years you are guaranteed to have him.

    I love you Woodguy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Awkward

  64. cabbiesmacker says:

    godot10:
    Please Daryl.Hire Larionov to replace Lowe.

    Hell. Hire Larry David to replace Lowe

  65. cabbiesmacker says:

    russ99:
    Uh oh…

    I always thought it would be Hall to want out first.

    I’d bet good money they’d ALL want off the Oiler toilet floater if you spoke to them off the record. Losing will do that to young talent and the Oilers have it perfected.

    I originally said the 15/16 season would be when we’d see a solid move up the standings. I’d now like to change that to Never.

    The rot that permeates the Oilers won’t be gone until they totally clean house at the top end. You don’t run thoroughbreds with plow horses but these idiots will never understand that.

    Oilers management makes the Bill Wirtz years look like a wet dream. Hilarious to hear the WGN crew tee off on them last night.

    #Laughingstock.

  66. Nuckout says:

    This kid exudes professionalism and drive. He can’t come fast enough. Comes from a pro sports family, so compete level will be something that won’t need to be taught. (Hello, JSchultz).

    Oilers made the right call on Nurse.

  67. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    supernova:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    3 seasons is an outlier.

    Especially with coming in that season and being a top pairing D almost instantly, plus has had almost no regression, and by almost all accounts has become a “all situations” player.

    I am not sure if there was another D that St. Louis would trade him for straight up. ( including contracts)

    If Nurse was even close to any of this in timeline and production it is grand slam. That’s what I would call an outlier.

    Isn’t that kind of the point.

    He’s an outlier at first full NHL season as draft +3 and it looks like Nurse is going to play draft +2.

    I’d break even contract in the books if I could secure Nurse in the SHL next year.

    Get him away from junior and into a man’s league and get him the hell away from the media desperate to say two things:

    “if he’s the best man for the job…”

    and

    “at 20 Nurse isn’t looking very good…”

    two story lines that sell papers and reflect very poor lines of thought.

  68. godot10 says:

    Nuckout:
    This kid exudes professionalism and drive. He can’t come fast enough. Comes from a pro sports family, so compete level will be something that won’t need to be taught. (Hello, JSchultz).

    Oilers made the right call on Nurse.

    Nick Leddy is still on the third pairing.

    Brian Rafalski played 4 year in Europe and then started on the 3rd pairing on a team that had Stevens and Niedermayer.

    Bryan Campbell had a couple of years in the AHL, and then a couple of years on the 3rd pairing with James Patrick

    Jake Gardiner is still a 3rd pairing D in Toronto.

    Justin Schultz has been playing 2nd pairing minutes.

    #context

    Justin Schultz is a absolute stud.

  69. cabbiesmacker says:

    What is the SHL?

    edit: nm

  70. Hockeyman 99 says:

    godot10,

    I think Nurses trajectory has him being the better overall defenseman than Schultz.

  71. FastOil says:

    There are two levels of knowing what you are doing, at least.

    One is knowing what process to undertake to get what you want.

    One is knowing what to do.

    One is very different than the other.

  72. godot10 says:

    cabbiesmacker:
    godot10,

    What is the SHL?

    SHL? I am an old (grouchy) guy.

    #breakingbadforEckblad

  73. Hockeyman 99 says:

    Is last place basis for an emergency recall. LOL

  74. godot10 says:

    Hockeyman 99:
    godot10,

    I think Nurses trajectory has him being the better overall defenseman than Schultz.

    I think Nurse is great. I don’t understand the hate for Justin Schultz.

  75. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    This Yak talk demands a revisiting of this article… published a whopping 5 days ago:

    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/11/06/oilers-gm-craig-mactavish-refutes-trade-rumours-surrounding-nail-yakupov

    A half hour earlier Larionov told your agent he talked to MacTavish and he talked to his client so he wasn’t surprised to hear of the session coach Dallas Eakins had with the player on the ice at practice in Tampa Bay Wednesday.

    Eakins told reporters in Tampa he let Yakupov know the trade rumours were untrue, and that the team is committed to making him a better player.

    “First, it’s nice to hear that from the coach,” said Larianov.

    “It’s nice for Nail to hear that from the coach. It makes a big difference. A guy like Nail, he needs support. It’s nice of the coach to step forward to make statements like that for his confidence.”

    Because of the rumours and optics with MacTavish in New York and then watching the Flyers in Carolina, Yakupov being on the bench for most of the third period Tuesday in Florida and the sudden arrival of Omark on the scene, it was something which had to be said.

    Larionov, the Russian great from the Soviet Union days and who also had a great NHL run to follow in his Hall of Fame career, said being a 20-year-old NHL player is a tough time.

    “Many players who are 20 go through periods of not getting points and not playing their best hockey.

    “Nail needs to go out and play his normal game and at the same time work on improving all areas of his game. It would be a shame if, after 16 games, he wasn’t getting that kind of support.

    “When you don’t play a good game, there’s a new game tomorrow and you need to go out and put the puck in the net. When you are talking about a goal-scorer, you have to remember he wants to be the guy. If he starts concentrating on being a checking forward, it takes away his speed, his drive and goal scoring.

    “Sure, Nail has to work hard on improving his defence. But he’s a 20-year-old kid. He has to enjoy the game, not be worried about everything.

    “The kid needs a break. He needs to be able to do his thing. He needs to play 18 minutes a game and get his power-play time. The defence will come.

    “I had him for six weeks in Detroit at a camp from the first of August until the middle of September. He works hard. Sometimes too hard.

    “Scotty Bowman was the best I’ve ever seen of getting the best out of anybody. Take Pavel Datsyuk 12 years ago. If Scotty hadn’t handled him the way he handled him when he turned the puck over at the blueline, never taking away from the natural skills of the player, Pavel Datsyuk wouldn’t have developed the way he developed.

    “It’s a very delicate balance. You have to be very careful.”

    We’ve been down this road before on twitter… Yak was headed to Russia very recently.

    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2013/10/oilers-at-capitals-g6-13-14.html

  76. justDOit says:

    godot10: SHL?

    #breakingbadforEckblad

    Something about that hashtag didn’t feel right, until this happened:

    #stayingbadforEckblad

  77. Hockeyman 99 says:

    Nurses Birthday is the complicating issue. If he was a little older he could play AHL next year and I think they would feel better about his ability to develop against stiffer Comp without getting thrown into the deep end. As it is going back to junior may not help him as much. How is Dougie Hamilton doing? I don’t see much of the Bruins and he seems like a similar player with less edge.

  78. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    cabbiesmacker:
    What is the SHL?

    edit: nm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Hockey_League

    Formerly the SEL.

    What is “nm”?

  79. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I keep telling you guys!

    Not Eckblad… Draisaitl!

  80. Hockeyman 99 says:

    godot10,

    No hate at all I think he is a grey offensive D-man. I love Hemsky but I think Hall is a better player, kind of like that.

  81. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    This is amazingly insightful… the 4th wall is broken:

    5 hours ago
    @GMillerTSN: Another issue with hockey analytics: even if you think they work, do they have a place on a broadcast? Do people want an algebra lesson?

    You, hockey fan, prefer talk about “guts and the gutless”

    We wait for a tele-genetic and charismatic communicator.

  82. maudite says:

    J Shultz for Erhoff +

    Eberle/Gagner for Simmonds/SC (get creative in the cap balance of the deal like Nultz at half salary for Mezaros and add whatever sweetner needed preferably from the Musil/Simpson end of the D prospects)

    Hall RNH Simmonds
    Perron SC Yak
    Smyth Gordon Hemmer
    JJ Arco Acton/Jones (best PKers win)

    Erhoff Petry
    Belov Fedun
    Ference Larson
    Mezaros

  83. Woodguy says:

    Hockeyman 99,

    3 things
    Couturier may turn out to be Rob Zamuner just as Likely as he does Micheal Peca.

    You’ve floored me with the detail of your analysis.

  84. Hockeyman 99 says:

    If Yakupov is really unhappy and was to be moved say to Philly is Couturier, Simonds, Cousins and 1st for Yakupov, Nultz, Abney and Acton. The extras from Edm are contract and cap equalizers.

  85. Hockeyman 99 says:

    Woodguy,

    Short and sweet.

    If you want it another way. You are making a bet on Couturier with lots of info but its still a gamble. I would like one season from him in which he does all of the things he is supposed to be capable of before I give up someone who has proven himself.

  86. Woodguy says:

    denny33:
    Woodguy,

    RMGS: Compelling argument, but you’d be dealing a proven .8 PPG 23 year-old top-six forward who’s decent defensively for a good current shut-down 3C hoping he fulfills his offensive potential in a top-six role.It’s a gamble to say the least.

    2C is a giant hole on the Oilers.

    RW is position of strength with Gagner, Hemsky and Yak being able.

    Yes, it requires trading a good player, but they player coming back is what they need.

    Trade from strength to address weakness.

    ************************************************************************************

    What would you pay for Couturier?

    Don’t know.

    If it costs Eberle, I’d want them to add.

    Zona floated Eberle + 2nd for Couturier + 1st.

    I’d probably be ok with that.

    Really depends now on what’s going on with Yak.

    Also,

    Nice of Larionov to add to fuel to the fire.

    The team is bleeding chances against and his client is still a bewildered rookie trying to learn how to play without the puck and he pulls this shit?

    His bloody client has 67% Ozone starts and he’s complaining?

    Eakins has moved Yak around and he’s played with every freaking center to try to find him someplace to learn the NHL game without hemorrhaging goals against while the team is bleeding and Larionov picks now to get vocal?

    I actually think 94-26-64 is a great spot for him if they can find 9 or so 5v5 softy minutes and 1PP minutes, and that’s what they did last game.

    Great timing Igor.

  87. bookje says:

    Hockeyman 99:
    If Yakupov is really unhappy and was to be moved say to Philly is Couturier, Simonds, Cousins and 1st for Yakupov, Nultz, AbneyandActon.The extras from Edm are contract and cap equalizers.

    I don’t know that Philly would give their 1st for Yak never mind the rest.

  88. Hockeyman 99 says:

    Woodguy,

    I only read LTs comments that are 500 words.

  89. maudite says:

    Erhoff is really the only topish (2-3) D you can likely shake loose and I think buffalo would jump at the chance to pickup Shultz and remove that contract. We don’t have the luxury to protect J Shultz like we should and will be bringing a lot of defenseman up. Having a guy like Erhoff that can hold down 20+ minutes a night would be handy. I’d be going for a large plus on that one (swap of first round picks with our 2nd going their way if we use that option or a 2nd rnd from them if we don’t)

    As for the philly deal. I’m with Woodguy. I think you improve the defensive and functional tough aspect of the team quite a bit and there is a good chance you can likely get a deal done just a matter of laying it out right.

  90. Woodguy says:

    FastOil,

    Love you too man!

  91. Woodguy says:

    CurtisS: IMO it shouldnt take a player agent to come out and help.

    In the book “Behind the Moves”, there’s lots of stuff on how dealing with agents whining (in behalf of their client) about usage and TOI etc. take up a lot of a GM’s time.

    Unusual that it gets out in the public

    Especially when the client is a rookie getting 67% OZ starts.

    Lordy.

  92. 8p0intgame says:

    Hockeyman 99,

    Why does Philly trade 3 good players for a struggling former 1 OV and cast offs?

  93. Hockeyman 99 says:

    bookje,

    thats almost a given in these deals isn’t it. The Bobby Ryan trade only happened once Ott included their first. Comrie was a 1st and players. Hell Penner got a 1st.

  94. Woodguy says:

    Hockeyman 99:
    Woodguy,

    Short and sweet.

    If you want it another way. You are making a bet on Couturier with lots of info but its still a gamble. I would like one season from him in which he does all of the things he is supposed to be capable of before I give up someone who has proven himself.

    He needs to be played with better offensive players with better zone starts to get a handle on that.

    HIs CHL and AHL numbers tell us that he can.

    I’m sure his agent whines to Holmgren about his usage too.

    Maybe enlist his agent to help engineer this trade.

    That happens often too.

  95. Woodguy says:

    Hockeyman 99:
    Woodguy,

    I only read LTs comments that are 500 words.

    So me, Godot10 and Deadmanwaking?

  96. Hockeyman 99 says:

    Simmonds is Struggling, so is Couturier, Cousins is a prospect in AHL and a 1st is a Sweetener almost a given in these types of deals. Why would you Trade a guy that outperformed Stamkos in Junior for less. Hell Guy Lafleur Struggled at first, Yak is going to be great and even with 4 assets coming back it is very possible we lose the trade anyways.

  97. cabbiesmacker says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Hockey_League

    Formerly the SEL.

    What is “nm”?

    nm = never mind. I realized you meant Swedish Hockey League later. Us oldsters still refer to it as the Elitizan Leaguea Herring Choker or SEL

    and no chance Nurse is not in next seasons starting lineup. None.

    because…well you know

  98. cabbiesmacker says:

    Hockeyman 99:
    Simmonds is Struggling, so is Couturier, Cousins is a prospect in AHL and a 1st is a Sweetener almost a given in these types of deals. Why would you Trade a guy that outperformed Stamkos in Junior for less. Hell Guy Lafleur Struggled at first, Yak is going to be great and even with 4 assets coming back it is very possible we lose the trade anyways.

    You are bang on sir. I’ve followed Couturier very closely since he was drafted and his first year was by far his best hockey. In fact I believe he has regressed. I like the kid enough but I don’t think he’s a huge part of the answer here.

    Not a chance I give up Eberle for him. Even the Oilers can’t be that stupid.

    all due respect to WG

  99. maudite says:

    Hockeyman 99:
    Simmonds is Struggling, so is Couturier, Cousins is a prospect in AHL and a 1st is a Sweetener almost a given in these types of deals. Why would you Trade a guy that outperformed Stamkos in Junior for less. Hell Guy Lafleur Struggled at first, Yak is going to be great and even with 4 assets coming back it is very possible we lose the trade anyways.

    Your trade is outright absurd. Not trying to be a jerk, but that is so far from possible it’s really not worth discussing.

  100. nycoil says:

    Think we ought to try:
    RNH-Hall-Yak
    Arcobello-Perron-Eberle
    Gordon-Gagner-Hemsky
    Acton-Smyth-Gazdic or Smyth-Jones-Gazdic
    Run with that for 8 games without the blender and then make some decisions. Gagner just doesn’t look right. And Yak needs a push here. Not fair for him to keep riding pine when there have been some other passengers as well. If I didn’t know better I’d say Eakins is trying too hard to show he can dish out Kadri-style tough love, but in his summer pressers he stated how he has to figure out what makes each guy tick in terms of the carrot and the stick. So far he is failing with young Nail in this regard.
    As for Nurse, I worry about the sky high expectations and that we will rush him. I’m fine with the Eberle timeline: a couple years in junior with a taste of the AHL after each season. Let’s bring Klefbom up next fall and spare him this current toxicity. And let’s get another actual NHL dman in here this summer so we don’t have to rush them.

  101. Hockeyman 99 says:

    Woodguy,

    Unless I see the thread right when it starts its a lot of reading when you have kids and business’s to take care of. That last post of yours was as long as the initial blog I can’t always take the time to read/write that much. I read lots of your stuff its great and most of the time I agree.Jjust not sold on Couturier being enough on his own to trade someone like ebs for him straight up as you had mentioned in other posts.

  102. 8p0intgame says:

    Hockeyman 99,

    I disagree. Oilers fans aren’t the only people aware of advanced stats; some smart people on this blog are willing to trade Eberle for Corturier so you can bet your bottom dollar that Philly at least has an idea of what they have in him. I think you’d be lucky to trade Yak + 2nd (which the Oilers don’t have) for Corturier and a 1st.

  103. spoiler says:

    Last year, LT had his 1st Winter Prospect post up on Nov 19. This year it is Nov 11. With actual NHL games being played. The year before it was Nov 24. Is this a sign of how bad the Oilers have played this year? Has there been a shortage of storylines? It doesn’t seem like it, but every narrative out there seems to involve negativity, trade talk, failure, losing…

  104. Woodguy says:

    Hockeyman 99:
    Woodguy,

    Unless I see the thread right when it starts its a lot of reading when you have kids and business’s to take care of. That last post of yours was as long as the initial blog I can’t always take the time to read/write that much. I read lots of your stuff its great and most of the time I agree.Jjust not sold on Couturier being enough on his own to trade someone like ebs for him straight up as you had mentioned in other posts.

    I think Eberle is worth more than Couturier.

    I never said straight up.

  105. Hockeyman 99 says:

    8p0intgame,

    Thats Crazy

  106. Woodguy says:

    8p0intgame:
    Hockeyman 99,

    I disagree. Oilers fans aren’t the only people aware of advanced stats; some smart people on this blog are willing to trade Eberle for Corturier so you can bet your bottom dollar that Philly at least has an idea of what they have in him. I think you’d be lucky to trade Yak + 2nd (which the Oilers don’t have) for Corturier and a 1st.

    If you’re a GM and a rookie is making this much noise about his team and he;s an RFA after next year, so the threat of bolting to the KHL is there (no idea of the probability of it happening, but it shades the conversation), how much is the player worth?

    I wish Larionov would shut up and Yak would back check more.

    I thought Yak’s last two games were pretty good and that Eakins should have used him more.

  107. Hockeyman 99 says:

    Woodguy,

    Okay, cool. What makes up the rest of the deal?

  108. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    I keep telling you guys!

    Not Eckblad… Draisaitl!

    Whenever I see that name, I think of this:

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/allsongs/2011/02/03/133083405/youve-never-heard-creams-disraeli-gears

  109. Hockeyman 99 says:

    Woodguy,

    Agreed he was better. These players (1st overalls) don’t move very often and if a GM has a chance to get a player like Yak they will give up a lot to get him.

  110. Woodguy says:

    8p0intgame:
    Hockeyman 99,

    I disagree. Oilers fans aren’t the only people aware of advanced stats; some smart people on this blog are willing to trade Eberle for Corturier so you can bet your bottom dollar that Philly at least has an idea of what they have in him. I think you’d be lucky to trade Yak + 2nd (which the Oilers don’t have) for Corturier and a 1st.

    To be very clear.

    I’d love Eberle to remain an Oiler and I would love for the Oilers to be able to acquire Couturier for less than Eberle.

    I view Yak in the same light.

    I don’t think you pull Couturier out of PHI without one of those two going and RW is the only deep place on this team to deal from outside of young D depth, but young D depth doesn’t get you him either.

  111. Hockeyman 99 says:

    Woodguy,

    agreed. The trade has to expand then and contracts and cap come into it which means it could be a 4-7 player/asset deal.

  112. bookje says:

    Hockeyman 99:
    bookje,

    thats almost a given in these deals isn’t it. The Bobby Ryan trade only happened once Ott included their first. Comrie was a 1st and players. Hell Penner got a 1st.

    The Flyers are projecting to finish bottom 5. Yak is great, but his value is down now.

  113. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy,

    It maybe short sighted on my part I would deal Yak for Couturier in a cocaine heartbeat.
    The Yak sitch is tenuous at best and if that opportunity arises I would take it and run.
    Just don’t think Philly would do it.

  114. theres oil in virginia says:

    I don’t think any of the young guys are going anywhere and they’re going to learn how to play defense. I think they’re stuck as Oilers, and Eakins isn’t getting fired, and they’re going to learn how to play defense. The fans aren’t going to like it for quite some time, because it’s going to be downright ugly some times, but they’re going to learn how to play defense.

    Veterans on the other hand will probably leave town one by one and take their big salaries with them.

  115. Lowetide says:

    Pouzar:
    Woodguy,

    It maybe short sighted on my part I would deal Yak for Couturier in a cocaine heartbeat.
    The Yak sitch is tenuous at best and if that opportunity arises I would take it and run.
    Just don’t think Philly would do it.

    the one thing Larionov guaranteed is that Yakupov won’t be traded any time soon. I can’t imagine a team offering 100 cents on the dollar to Edmonton right now for a mixed up gifted (no matter how gifted) kid and his idiot (HOF player) agent.

  116. Lowetide says:

    theres oil in virginia:
    I don’t think any of the young guys are going anywhere and they’re going to learn how to play defense.I think they’re stuck as Oilers, and Eakins isn’t getting fired, and they’re going to learn how to play defense.The fans aren’t going to like it for quite some time, because it’s going to be downright ugly some times, but they’re going to learn how to play defense.

    Veterans on the other hand will probably leave town one by one and take their big salaries with them.

    This. The only thing I disagree with is veterans leaving. I’m kind of feeling good about Hemsky staying right now.

  117. Pouzar says:

    From Ducks.nhl.com:

    “Viktor Fasth has been assigned to AHL Norfolk on a long-term injury conditioning loan.
    He hasn’t played since Oct. 16 because of a lower-body injury, which is believed to be related to his back. Fasth can work his way back to game shape in the minors, while the Ducks try to figure out what to do with their crowded crease situation. ”

    *raises hand*

    I Know I Know!!!

  118. dangilitis says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Romul

    Totally agreed.

    “It’s nice for Nail to hear that from the coach. It makes a big difference. A guy like Nail, he needs support. It’s nice of the coach to step forward to make statements like that for his confidence.”

    Has Larionov really had a sudden change of heart? I find that hard to believe, especially after last night’s game, which I felt was actually a step in the right direction for him.

    What does Larionov want?
    More OZ starts? Easier competition? Don’t see how that’s possible.
    More PP time? I guess, but again, see last night’s game.

    Brownlee and co. need to stop fuelling the fire and stop giving people like Custance the time of day.

  119. bookje says:

    I think this is Yak angry about not seeing the ice again after scoring last night.

  120. Caramel Obvious says:

    Ryan:
    Woodguy,

    We all know Lowetide was bullish on Couturier during his draft year.Who could forget that?

    Yeah, he would be good.About the only thing better than getting Couturier would have been if Katz could have got the tandem of Maloney and Tippet.

    Speaking of Maloney and Tippet.

    Would you look at that.12-4-2 with a bunch of pluggers.

    Either one of Eakins or Mact is not the sharpest knife in the drawer (I’d say Eakins) or Maloney and Tippet can spin straw into gold.

    People seem to believe this but it isn’t true. Phoenix has more talent than the Oilers. Look at their rosters:

    The Oilers have no defensemen as good as Yandle or Ekman-Larsson.
    Is Eberle better than Vrbata? Probably but Vrbata is a good scorer.
    Is Hopkins better than Ribeiro? No.
    Is Gagner better than Hanzel? No.
    Hall is better than Doan.

    If you actually look at the Oilers talent they don’t match up well with other teams. Go look at the Jets for yourself. Honestly, do the Oilers have more talent than the Jets?

    These are the facts. The Oilers shouldn’t be last but there are only a handful of teams they have more talent than. They are miles short of even a middling playoff team like the Canucks.

    The Oilers are not a talented team that is losing. They are a team that isn’t that talented.

  121. denny33 says:

    Woodguy,

    Don’t know.

    If it costs Eberle, I’d want them to add.

    Zona floated Eberle + 2nd for Couturier + 1st.

    I’d probably be ok with that.

    Really depends now on what’s going on with Yak.

    Also,

    Nice of Larionov to add to fuel to the fire.

    The team is bleeding chances against and his client is still a bewildered rookie trying to learn how to play without the puck and he pulls this shit?

    His bloody client has 67% Ozone starts and he’s complaining?

    Eakins has moved Yak around and he’s played with every freaking center to try to find him someplace to learn the NHL game without hemorrhaging goals against while the team is bleeding and Larionov picks now to get vocal?

    I actually think 94-26-64 is a great spot for him if they can find 9 or so 5v5 softy minutes and 1PP minutes, and that’s what they did last game.

    Great timing Igor.

    **********************************************************************************

    Your price seems to be spot on …..it will take Ebs imo to obtain a SC.

    Highest praise for SC – bitter/hated rivals=Penguins – were in awe of the job the teenager does agains them…

    I think this is the kind of deal that would improve the oilers as well….and also agree that playing SC with a YAK or Perron improves his offensive jazz.

    *************************************************

    i am a glass half full kind of guy – but I think Yak may contend for a Richard trophy qucker than some people think. A disaster without the puck no question – but the ability to shoot one-timers like that is a very rare skill.

    Have to assume Eakins is putting heat on the kid behind the scenes – for his agent to get involved.

    I think we all agree the season is lost – if we accept that – why is there a rush to do a deal in season?

    The changing of the mix of forwards – can best be done in the summer.

    N. Schultz for a 2nd round pick can be done at the deadline…..

    Realistic question – would any of us re- sign if we were Belov?

  122. theres oil in virginia says:

    Lowetide: This. The only thing I disagree with is veterans leaving. I’m kind of feeling good about Hemsky staying right now.

    A few days ago, I would have said you were crazy, but now I’m not so sure any more. Hemsky seems to find a way to stay in E-town. Nick Schultz probably won’t though. Scanning through the roster, I’m surprised that there really aren’t more candidates for deadline deals. Smytty?

  123. FastOil says:

    Gagner & one of Gretzky’s old sticks for Couturier and a cheese steak …. x2,,,,,,,okx4

    ok and 2014 1 OV

    BecausePoints

  124. Lowetide says:

    theres oil in virginia: A few days ago, I would have said you were crazy, but now I’m not so sure any more.Hemsky seems to find a way to stay in E-town.Nick Schultz probably won’t though.Scanning through the roster, I’m surprised that there really aren’t more candidates for deadline deals.Smytty?

    I think Eakins loves him. Hemsky does tons of good things if people just watch him without being pissed at what he doesn’t do. Honestly, if the Oilers are saying to themselves let’s sign Hemsky and then decide on #14 or Yakupov for the other slot I’m fine with it.

    Now all we have to decide if it’s a D or C coming in! :-)

  125. flyfish1168 says:

    It is unfortunate the we might have alienated Nail. If I was sitting on the bench and seeing my older teammates making some of the mistakes I was making I would feel the same. Watching the game without any bias Eberle, Hall, RNH and younger Schulz has made many of the same mistakes. Weak pass out of zone, not supporting breakout and bad decision on behind the back passes and to many east west passes, cheating for offense and so on. But one most remember Nail has played less than a season and is on his second coach. Eakins keeps harping accountability or your ice time is cut, well only one person ice has been cut, benched, and sat out. Don’t you think we created some of this problem when we talk about accountability and yet we keep magnifying one persons mistake and not give tough love to our other young stars. I think it is in Nail’s and his agents rights to ask these hard questions. Like it or not. If I was the agent I wouldn’t have gone public.

  126. Caramel Obvious says:

    Hockeyman 99:
    3 things

    Couturier may turn out to be Rob Zamuner just as Likely as he does Micheal Peca.

    I do think Eakins might think he had a secret to success no other coach knew about in the NHL and he won’t last the year, unless he switches strategy.

    Trading established Ability for promise is what teams starting to rebuild do. The oilers need to be trading promise for established. We need Peron’s not more Paajarvi’s, (although I would claim him on waivers if it comes up).

    We don’t have to wait for Couturier to turn into Mike Peca. He is Mike Peca.

    You guys aren’t listening. Woodguy repeated my post from the previous thread almost exactly. The numbers are unequivocal and they don’t say that Couturier is a player with promise. They say he is an excellent player right now even if he doesn’t improve at all.

    Your characterization is basically completely wrong. Couturier has nothing in common with Paajarvi. No waiting required.

    Couturier would make this team much better tomorrow. The worst thing about the Smid deal is it robs the Oilers of a piece they could use to make this work.

  127. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: This. The only thing I disagree with is veterans leaving. I’m kind of feeling good about Hemsky staying right now.

    Damn your eyes!

    Never say this out loud!!!

  128. Lowetide says:

    Caramel Obvious: We don’t have to wait for Couturier to turn into Mike Peca.He is Mike Peca.

    You guys aren’t listening.Woodguy repeated my post from the previous thread almost exactly.The numbers are unequivocal and they don’t say that Couturier is a player with promise.They say he is an excellent player right now even if he doesn’t improve at all.

    Your characterization is basically completely wrong.Couturier has nothing in common with Paajarvi.No waiting required.

    Couturier would make this team much better tomorrow.The worst thing about the Smid deal is it robs the Oilers of a piece they could use to make this work.

    Well, hold on a little. I really like Couturier and the arrows are good, but there’s always danger in trading a player like Eberle. We have more NHL seasons on Eberle, really not quite 2 on Couturier. The Oilers would have to pay full price but this is something to ponder, it isn’t a no-brainer.

  129. Pablo Aimar says:

    Pouzar: short

    Such a trade would have a good chance of being one of the worst in NHL history. Players like Yakupov don’t get traded for players like Couturier.

  130. Caramel Obvious says:

    Lowetide: Well, hold on a little. I really like Couturier and the arrows are good, but there’s always danger in trading a player like Eberle. We have more NHL seasons on Eberle, really not quite 2 on Couturier. The Oilers would have to pay full price but this is something to ponder, it isn’t a no-brainer.

    I don’t think trading Eberle for Couturier straight up is a no brainer. It is very much a brainer. I’m saying that Couturier is a sure thing which is why it is worth considering.

    The actual proposal I put forward a few days ago had the Oilers getting Coburn as well in exchange for Smid so I agree that the Flyers need to add to the pile. They would also have to send salary back and they need cheap players to be able to accomodate Eberle’s salary

    That means a reasonable framework would be something like:

    Eberle + Larsen for Couturier + Coburn. I don’t think the salaries quite work for the Flyers here so things would have to be tweaked some. This is still not a no-brainer but the Oilers either have to take some risks to even up the talent disparity they have with other teams or wait for Yakupov, Nurse, and J Schultz to all develop into stars.

  131. Lowetide says:

    Caramel Obvious: I don’t think trading Eberle for Couturier straight up is a no brainer.It is very much a brainer.I’m saying that Couturier is a sure thing which is why it is worth considering.

    The actual proposal I put forward a few days ago had the Oilers getting Coburn as well in exchange for Smid so I agree that the Flyers need to add to the pile.They would also have to send salary back and they need cheap players to be able to accomodate Eberle’s salary

    That means a reasonable framework would be something like:

    Eberle + Larsen for Couturier + Coburn.I don’t think the salaries quite work for the Flyers here so things would have to be tweaked some.This is still not a no-brainer but the Oilers either have to take some risks to even up the talent disparity they have with other teams or wait for Yakupov, Nurse, and J Schultz to all develop into stars.

    Your original post said Sean Couturier IS Mike Peca. I’m just saying hold on a little, we need to see him over a period of time before we know this to be true. I’m not sure how I feel about all of the factors (just wrapping my head around keeping Hemsky) but Couturier looks good.

    I’m just saying we need to delay talking ourselves into something when we can only see half the photo.

  132. Numenius says:

    I posted about this at ON, and wonder if you all have thoughts.

    There are rumours that one thing behind the Yak situation is that he’s not exactly getting along with the other guys on the team. This may be completely false, of course, but I was thinking that if it were one person in particular, who would it be?

    Not Hall, not Perron, not RNH, not JSchultz, not Gagner. Presumably not Belov.

    But maybe Eberle? That strikes me as plausible. When I try to imagine them hanging out, I can’t imagine them connecting at all.

    I hope it’s not the case, but I’ll suggest it now that one of them may have to go for that very reason.

  133. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: I’m just saying we need to delay talking ourselves into something when we can only see half the photo.

    There’s also that whole thing where we talk ourselves into something and it has little to no (probably no) effect on MacT’s decision making whatsoever. ;)

    In my head we’re happily running RNH, Draisaitl, Yakimov and Platzer down the middle, they are all 24 and perfect and all is well in the world.

  134. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: There’s also that whole thing where we talk ourselves into something and it has little to no (probably no) effect on MacT’s decision making whatsoever. ;)

    In my head we’re happily running RNH, Draisaitl, Yakimov and Platzer down the middle, they are all 24 and perfect and all is well in the world.

    If they draft Draisaitl, he better be good! We’re all going to remember you loved him!

  135. wheatnoil says:

    Lowetide: If they draft Draisaitl, he better be good! We’re all going to remember you loved him!

    Why do you hate Draisaitl so much? ;)

  136. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: If they draft Draisaitl, he better be good! We’re all going to remember you loved him!

    I’ll wear that Conquistador decision with pride… that or I may end up half-crazed tilting at windmills… either way it will be glorious and you’ll all get some enjoyment out of it!

  137. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Kharia with an assist tonight.

  138. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Kharia with an assist tonight.

    \Poor Bob tweeted that out and they were all over him. I hope no one who posts here is giving him a bad time. He’s a good soul, he really is.

  139. dessert1111 says:

    I don’t think they can trade Hall, RNH or Eberle. If they trade Yak I don’t think it’ll be till the off season. Would take much more than Couturier.

    My vote is to use gagner and yak as trading chips (since they have value) depending on how this potential yak drama shakes out. But how does MacT see it? He seems to have a surprisingly high regard for gagner, defensive deficiencies and all.

  140. godot10 says:

    Numenius:
    I posted about this at ON, and wonder if you all have thoughts.

    There are rumours that one thing behind the Yak situation is that he’s not exactly getting along with the other guys on the team. This may be completely false, of course, but I was thinking that if it were one person in particular, who would it be?

    Not Hall, not Perron, not RNH, not JSchultz, not Gagner. Presumably not Belov.

    But maybe Eberle? That strikes me as plausible. When I try to imagine them hanging out, I can’t imagine them connecting at all.

    I hope it’s not the case, but I’ll suggest it now that one of them may have to go for that very reason.

    Nonsense. The coach just isn’t explaining “why” to Yakupov. Eakins has to tell Yak why he needs to run around like a chicken with his head chopped off every shift and hit people. Smart elite hockey players need to know why they need to do something. AHL dummies have no choice but to do what their told. Elite players in the top leagues need to know why.

    Krueger explained exactly what he wanted Yak to do, and why. He treated him like human being. Not like a pawn being manipulated by a tyrannical coach.

    #breakingbadforEckblad

  141. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: \Poor Bob tweeted that out and they were all over him. I hope no one who posts here is giving him a bad time. He’s a good soul, he really is.

    Jeez

    https://twitter.com/Bob_Stauffer/status/400097255547342848

    no kidding, right?

    Since when do we hate prospects, hockey fans?

    Ever feel like re-directing the energies of a solid portion of the Oiler fanbase toward UFC or something?

  142. Numenius says:

    godot10: Nonsense.The coach just isn’t explaining “why” to Yakupov.Eakins has to tell Yak why he needs to run around like a chicken with his head chopped off every shift and hit people.Smart elite hockey players need to know why they need to do something.AHL dummies have no choice but to do what their told.Elite players in the top leagues need to know why.

    Krueger explained exactly what he wanted Yak to do, and why.He treated him like human being.Not like a pawn being manipulated by a tyrannical coach.

    #breakingbadforEckblad

    I don’t believe that. I liked how Krueger worked with Yak, but Eakins won’t make that big of a difference. It’s got to be something more.

    Your criticism of Eakins is over the top.

  143. LMHF#1 says:

    Knowing Yakupov’s background, I could easily see part of the “issues” being something along the lines of what Pitkanen faced. His idea of fun is probably not going to get hammed and hit on girls at some cheesy Whyte Ave bar. Yakupov also happens to work his butt off at the rink, which (stupidly enough) can annoy some guy who think they’re getting “shown up”.

    It’s all BS that shouldn’t have anything to do with the team, but these things tend to happen.

  144. Thinker says:

    After watching this year, it is obvious the core is smaller than origninally though.
    Hall Rnh Eberle
    Perron Gordon Yakupov

    Petry Jschultz

    gagner has made it obvious he isn’t the guy we need. He would be a good 1st line centre on a week team. He doesn’t have the defensive chops to play anything but sheltered offensive minutes. Flip him as soon as his value goes up again.
    Dubnyk has played himself into solid backup territory. It’s not that he’s bad, but its hard to trust a guy who makes all his saves after the team is down( usually out).
    The big question is do we have to rebuild the rebuild the rebuild. Remember when Gagner Nilsson and Cogliano tore up the league for a month in 08, and we thought good days were on the horizon- how foolish. Time to gut all of management. MacT has shown he can’t make good trades now, so we can no longer pretend he’s any smarter than the rest of them. Fire the coach. I know we’ve changed coaches too many times, but thats not a good excuse to keep an idiot who is ruining the team. Every single player, special team, system has been worse under Eakins. Which is saying something because Krueger had no system. Time to do it right, fire everyone top to bottom, and let the new hires change the culture of the team.

  145. Numenius says:

    LMHF#1:
    Knowing Yakupov’s background, I could easily see part of the “issues” being something along the lines of what Pitkanen faced. His idea of fun is probably not going to get hammed and hit on girls at some cheesy Whyte Ave bar. Yakupov also happens to work his butt off at the rink, which (stupidly enough) can annoy some guy who think they’re getting “shown up”.

    It’s all BS that shouldn’t have anything to do with the team, but these things tend to happen.

    We might need Nurse sooner than we think. I can see him bringing some balance to the force on this, someone who gets along with and has the respect of all sides involved.

  146. Lowetide says:

    Re: Gagner. It’s been 6 games, guys. I know he’s been poor, and you know he’s not going to be able to play tough competition at C. However, he’s still an NHL player and could very well be here 5 years from now. It’s too soon to flush the guy.

  147. Gret99zky says:

    Thinker:

    gagner has made it obvious he isn’t the guy we need. He would be a good 1st line centre on a week team. He doesn’t have the defensive chops to play anything but sheltered offensive minutes. Flip him as soon as his value goes up again.

    Hahaha. Good one!

    We ARE the weak team! He can’t make it as 1st line C on the Oilers one of the worst teams in the NHL for almost a decade! Or a 2nd line C thanks to Arcobello.

    Please explain to me how his value is going to go up.

  148. TheOtherJohn says:

    Old School G:
    I’m hoping that Nurse can develop similar to Weber. It looks like Nashville gave Weber a little more that half a season in the AHL before bringing him up to the NHL in his 20 year old season. If we can get that type of timeline with Nurse and have Klefbom following close behind I’m sitting here pretty hopeful.

    I tend to agree with you LT. Marincin is the odd man out. If he’s part of a package that brings us our #1 D man to guide Nurse and Klefbom I’m completely ok with this.

    Weber played 28 games in the NHL in draft +3 and first full season was draft +4. That would put Nurse in Edmonton for 28 games at the end of 15/16

  149. stevezie says:

    Lowetide: Poor Bob tweeted that out and they were all over him. I hope no one who posts here is giving him a bad time. He’s a good soul, he really is.

    People were all over Bob? For tweeting a Khaira update? I am confused.

    EDIT: I am still figuring out twitter. I found the responses to the Khaira tweet. People are strange.

  150. Gret99zky says:

    Lowetide:
    Re: Gagner. It’s been 6 games, guys. I know he’s been poor, and you know he’s not going to be able to play tough competition at C. However, he’s still an NHL player and could very well be here 5 years from now. It’s too soon to flush the guy.

    Also he has a made-up and then a real no movement claus.

    Too late to flush as well.

  151. Lowetide says:

    stevezie: People were all over Bob? For tweeting a Khaira update? I am confused.

    Upset that the Larionov situation wasn’t updated (which Bob later updated). It’s a tough spot for a media guy and probably tougher for Bob. He has access, which is great, and knowledge which is cool, but it’s not like he can tell all.

  152. stevezie says:

    Lowetide,

    I think Bob is great, not just because he has many fine opinions, but because he seems willing to change his mind. A few years ago he was as old-school as they come, and these days he is preaching Dellow and exploring new information. I’ve heard him wax on whether or not enforcers are still needed.
    I can get on board with a guy who is willing to be uncertain.

    I’m sorry it went public, but I remain glad Larianov is coming to town. I think he can be a valued communicator.

  153. Numenius says:

    Bob Stauffer ‏@Bob_Stauffer 57m

    ..#4. Nail is not a prima donna or an egomaniac. He is actually a sensitive, quiet kid who the #Oilers and the fans need to be patient with

    If Yak is ever traded, I’m going to have a hard time not changing favourite teams.

    #Yakcity

  154. stevezie says:

    Yak isn’t the first religious guy who didn’t fit into the NHL culture. Maybe instead of an older Russian we should trade for an older teetotaller? Or just give him Shane Doan’s phone number?
    What is he into? A buddy goes a long ways.

  155. Lowetide says:

    stevezie:
    Lowetide,

    I think Bob is great, not just because he has many fine opinions, but because he seems willing to change his mind. A few years ago he was as old-school as they come, and these days he is preaching Dellow and exploring new information. I’ve heard him wax on whether or not enforcers are still needed.
    I can get on board with a guy who is willing to be uncertain.

    I’m sorry it went public, but I remain glad Larianov is coming to town. I think he can be a valued communicator.

    Heh. Bob and I discussed advanced stats years and years ago in the lunch room at the radio station. He–like me or any of us, really–has worked the ideas through. Back in the day I don’t think either of us were overly sure of their merit, but once you know, you know.

  156. gr8one says:

    Buffalo trade:

    Yakupov, Gagner, Marincin

    for

    Ehrhoff, Foligno, Ott and Stafford.

    Philadelphia trade:

    Hemsky, N. Schultz

    for

    Simmonds, Meszaros.

    Hall Nuge Eberle
    Perron Foligno Simmonds
    Ott Arcobello Stafford
    Joensuu Gordon Pitlick

    Smyth/Acton/Jones

    Ehrhoff Ference
    Petry Jultz
    Belov Meszaros

    Fedun/Larsen

    Dubie/Bryz

    Does that make us better? Definitely a lot bigger/harder to play against…

    Are those trades plausible? Thoughts?

    I ran it all through cap geek, that roster is compliant…

    I know Meszaros is overpaid but he’s still a pretty good offensive D that with sheltered minutes is likely better than what we currently have and Ehrhoff is IMHO a perfect stop gap first pairing D to bridge the gap until Klefbom and Nurse are ready…

    Definitely Bold.

  157. TheOtherJohn says:

    Hockeyman 99:
    8p0intgame,

    Thats Crazy

    Did you recently attend a seminar put on by Caramel Obvious on persuasive hockey blog commentary? If so, please remember to tell the person you disagree with that they are stupid. Calling an idea crazy is a fine start but please remember the personal pejorative

    ————————————————-

    Finished reading the timeline and see the Master has been heard from. I may have been a tad premature, sometimes personal attacks are held off until someone repeatedly disagrees with said Master.

    Love Couturier as a prospect. Good sized, very strong defensively, played Gordon’s role in Philly last 2 years. Playing 2C TOI this year. Unheard of for 19 & 20 yr old to be the defensively responsible. His 17 yr old year lead Q in scoring. 96 pts in 58 games in next year AND had mono. Think he could score at 2C slot. Not a certainty but certainly not a stretch. Would make our 2L way more defensively responsible

    I’d move Eberle to get Couterier but I’d want a sweetener from them. Too bad we needed Roman Horak or we could have used Smid in the deal.

  158. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Matty has a magical ability to say the same things over and over but as if it was the first time he’d ever thought of it:

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/11/11/this-n-that-jordin-tootoos-contract-likely-a-nhl-waiver-pickup-deterrent/

    “Pittsburgh Penguins … likely lose tough defenceman Deryk Engelland to free agency. The Edmonton native has had several teams, including the Oilers, sniffing around him. “He can be a No. 6. He’s the kind of guy every team needs. He can play enough minutes and he can really fight,” a scout said.”

    My favorite part: “and he can really fight”… the “and” really ties the room together.

    Note the rest of the article has all the other hobby-horses: Tootoo, Ellerby, Semin and co. suck.

  159. Lowetide says:

    The thing I’m wondering about is

    1. who do you trade
    2. for what

    If we agree that Hall, Nuge, Hemsky, Perron are certain, then 1 of the following stays

    1. Eberle
    2. Yakupov
    3. Gagner

    and they need a center back. The next thing I wonder is how much experience that center should have. I really like Couturier, but is there another, more experienced, player?

    That’s the question.

  160. Lowetide says:

    Rom: I actually understand Matty. Another 5 years and every two weeks I’ll write a “Pouliot return?” article.

  161. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    The thing I’m wondering about is

    1. who do you trade
    2. for what

    If we agree that Hall, Nuge, Hemsky, Perron are certain, then 1 of the following stays

    1. Eberle
    2. Yakupov
    3. Gagner

    and they need a center back. The next thing I wonder is how much experience that center should have. I really like Couturier, but is there another, more experienced, player?

    That’s the question.

    No sure how Hemsky and Perron made in on the safe list.

    A couple of other names that might be interesting:

    RyJo; Anyone from the Avs; Matthias; Grabo (may be able to UFA him next year).

    There’s some disparity in quality here.

  162. gr8one says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Matty has a magical ability to say the same things over and over but as if it was the first time he’d ever thought of it:

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/11/11/this-n-that-jordin-tootoos-contract-likely-a-nhl-waiver-pickup-deterrent/

    “Pittsburgh Penguins … likely lose tough defenceman Deryk Engelland to free agency. The Edmonton native has had several teams, including the Oilers, sniffing around him. “He can be a No. 6. He’s the kind of guy every team needs. He can play enough minutes and he can really fight,” a scout said.”

    My favorite part: “and he can really fight”… the “and” really ties the room together.

    Note the rest of the article has all the other hobby-horses: Tootoo, Ellerby, Semin and co. suck.

    Please note I was channeling my inner Matty by including Stafford on my above trade thought…

    *ashamed*

  163. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    Rom: I actually understand Matty. Another 5 years and every two weeks I’ll write a “Pouliot return?” article.

    Ha!

    I’ve been hard on him lately, but mostly because I find his quirks amusing (occasionally maddening).

    I just like to stare at that quote from some anonymous scout and consider the massive happy Matty was experiencing as he jotted those words down: “and he can really fight”

    each word is perfect. The more I look at it, the more I like “really” in there.

  164. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: No sure how Hemsky and Perron made in on the safe list.

    A couple of other names that might be interesting:

    RyJo; Anyone from the Avs; Matthias; Grabo (may be able to UFA him next year).

    There’s some disparity in quality here.

    Hemsky and Perron made it on the safe list because I like them. :-)

    I don’t trade Eberle unless I get to keep Hemsky.

  165. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    gr8one: Please note I was channeling my inner Matty by including Stafford on my above trade thought…

    *ashamed*

    I noted it… I imagine he’d love your trades.

    I have no ability really to gauge value and trades, but the first looks like an overpay our way and the second I simply hate because Hemsky is gone.

    You’ve got Petry on the left side there and Ference way too high and on his off-side… flip them around and it is starting to look better.

  166. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: Hemsky and Perron made it on the safe list because I like them.

    I don’t trade Eberle unless I get to keep Hemsky.

    Ah… one of those lists.

    In that case, I’m putting Smid in there with Hemsky. :(

    FWIW, I’d keep Gagner at center, give him amazing zone-starts and soft parade and PP time and then flip him at the deadline to the highest bidder.

    If I’m in charge whatever I do going forward is going to leverage the market’s cycle. The season is lost, no need to trade now.

  167. Andy P says:

    Problem is we have a player who is dragging the team down, whose agent is “open to a trade with any team”, whose big contract is not far away, does not want to play defense or checking, ever, already played in the KHL, and who isn’t one of the “boys on Whyte”.

    Maybe treating him well, trade him to a team he is ok with, and fill a hole on our team with a big 2C and whatever else you can get, and move on.

    Most importantly, it does seem as if Yak has lost his team mates and it seems his agent is on his way to losing the Coach and GM as well.

    A pretty big bump in the road I’d say.

  168. Woodguy says:

    PHI’s top 3 lines from their last game:

    SCOTT HARTNELL CLAUDE GIROUX JAKUB VORACEK 28.27%
    WAYNE SIMMONDS BRAYDEN SCHENN VINCENT LECAVALIER 24.08%
    MICHAEL RAFFL SEAN COUTURIER MATT READ 16.75%

    Still getting the treatment.

  169. Woodguy says:

    Apparently Larionov said all of this at the HHOF celebration.

    I wonder if this whole thing stems from some double voldka’s and he shot his mouth off.

  170. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Andy P,

    Shouldn’t Yakupov’s one timer set the record straight?

    I get the kid has some issues, but I feel this is going to end up being like the Flames trading B Hull for rampage and wamsley as they had some needs.

    I do agree that Yak’s D has been weak, but so has everyone’s. I love gags, but jaw or no jaw, you don’t blindly throw a puck into the slot in your own end.

    Side note… Every 3-4 articles on here I can’t read on my iPhone. Today, I was trying to read the losing post, and it kept crashing. Anyone else have this problem. That, and I can never post on my iPhone.

  171. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Woodguy,

    Wood guy… How tough is it to redo a door that is out of square on a second floor of a house?

    Or is that not your area?

  172. Dominoiler says:

    Yak and the swarm?!..

    http://imgur.com/r/funny/tFzXgRs

  173. Woodguy says:

    Suntory Hanzo:
    Woodguy,

    Wood guy… How tough is it to redo a door that is out of squareon a second floor of a house?

    Or is that not your area?

    Depends if its the door or the frame.

    Has it always been out of square or did something shift recently and now its out of square?

    I used to sell interior doors, so that’s in my wheelhouse.

  174. theres oil in virginia says:

    Woodguy: Has it always been out of square or did something shift recently and now its out of square?

    Ha! Is it getting more out of square after each Oilers loss?

  175. wintoon says:

    The Oilers will not be a contender without having strength down the middle. Gagner is not an option as he is,at best, one dimensional. Any move to to replace him with a player of Couturier’s stature and skill set would be positive in both the long and short term. A trade involving Yakupov and, for example, Marincin for Couturier and a functional winger wouldbe a solid investment. Gagner on the wing is not a viable alternative because he still lacks size, grit and defensive awareness. One possible alternative to Couturier could be OReilly with the Avs. Given his negotiations last year and the fact he cannot be traded until his 1 year period has run its course is worth considering. A question which remains unanswered is whether the Avs are prepared to consider such a move given the vitriol surrounding his contract and the amount they were forced to ante up.

  176. Lynas1 says:

    I think Gagner needs to go. Not to RW as he was terrible there. He’s not good enough in the dot or defensively to remain a good option at 2C for us. I’ve never been high on Gagner but he’s just not good enough in the right areas we need. Hemsky and yak are both way better options on the wing so I don’t buy the trade Hemsky or yak for help on d or c and move Gagner to RW. Get him gone.

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