#3 PROSPECT: MARCO ROY

Eleven years ago, the Edmonton Oilers used a 1st and a 2nd round pick on QMJHL forwards. They were burned badly on both, and have ignored the league for a decade now (at least at the top of the draft). Improved prospect quality overall meant more players in the deep end of the pool, and this summer Edmonton drafted Marc-Olivier Roy in the second round.

PREVIOUSLY NUMBER THREE ON THE WINTER LIST

  • December 2004: C Marc-Antoine Pouliot
  • December 2005: G Devan Dubnyk
  • December 2006: C Marc-Antoine Pouliot
  • December 2007: D Tom Gilbert
  • December 2008: D Theo Peckham
  • December 2009: C Riley Nash
  • December 2010: L Magnus Paajarvi
  • December 2011: D Oscar Klefbom
  • December 2012: D Oscar Klefbom

That’s a nice group of players, the middle of last decade gave the Oilers a starting goalie (Dubnyk) and a useful defenseman (Tom Gilbert). Klefbom is a player who looks like he’s going to have a career in the NHL and we’re just getting to know Marco Roy. If he can eclipse Marc Pouliot’s 192 NHL games Oiler fans should be thrilled, and it’s interesting to see that none of the #3′s on the prospect list have approached impact status. ALL of the best Oilers over the years–Hall, Eberle, Nuge, Yak, Schultz, Gagner, etc, have been ranked 1 or 2 before heading to the NHL as regulars. The club has been graduating impact kids, but one (or two in 2010-11) at a time.

 WHAT THEY SAID ON DRAFT DAY

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  • Redline: While thought of as a grinder who brings passion and intensity to each shift (which is accurate), that is short-changing his skill level. Good skater with speed and balance, and accelerates well. Wins a lot of races for loose pucks and is always 1st into corners. Works his bag off every shift and comes back hard on the backcheck. He’s an absolute buzzsaw with a motor that never quits. If his team loses the puck, he wants to go and get it back immediately. Stays in constant motion in the offensive zone, making him very difficult to check or contain. Soft hands for both giving and receiving passes. Gets shots away quickly around the slot and shows good accuracy. Competes like a bastard and always has his head in the game. Rugged and persistent on the forecheck. Reliable player at both ends who is continually improving. Also 6’1″ with a nice frame to fill out.
  • Corey Pronman: Roy is a late 1994 birthdate, and his late eligibility gave him extra time to take the next step in his development. That advantage allowed him to put up solid numbers in the QMJHL this season. Roy’s best skill is his skating, which is plus, as he can jet through the neutral zone with impressive top speed. He is a technically sound skater, and he is very elusive in tight. I have heard different takes on his offensive upside. One scout thinks he projects as an average offensive player, while another says his offensive instincts and puck play are very good but classifies his offensive potential as above-average. Roy has roughly average size, and his physical game can be inconsistent. He will, at times, show fine on-ice effort, but there will be times where he can drift off to the perimeter, while not overly impressing.

PREVIOUS TOP 20 RANKING

  • Summer 2013: 4
  • Winter 2013: 3

In the week after the draft, I interviewed Michael Parkatti from the Boys on the Bus blog. Parkatti won the Oilers hackathon and did some numbers work for the Oilers before the draft, basically confirming what their scouts were viewing (or possibly raising red flags).

  • Michael Parkatti: “The model really liked Marco Roy. There’s a lot of things to like about the player outwardly, and if you look at the statistics diagnostically it’s not just the point production but also the situation he found himself in. The team he played for this year was very good, but it was one of those situations where he wasn’t being dragged along by anybody. The way I like to look at it was he was the good player on the team, he played an integral part on that team. And you really saw that in the playoffs.”

PROJECTING ROY

roy2Projecting players draft summer is a tough business, but if Roy continues to progress he should be a productive top 6 NHL forward. Roy’s 1.03 points-per-game total as a 17-year old is not terribly unusual for 2nd round draft picks, but it is a nice list to belong to for any forward. Since 2009 (5 drafts), there have been 15 (3 a year).

  1. Nicolas Petan 2013 (WHL) 71, 46-74-120 (1.69)
  2. Shane Prince 2011 (OHL) 59, 25-63-88 (1.49)
  3. William Carrier 2013 (QMJHL) 34, 16-26-42 (1.24)
  4. Tyler Toffoli 2010 (OHL) 65, 37-42-79 (1.22)
  5. Ty Rattie 2011 (WHL) 67, 28-51-79 (1.18)
  6. Ryan Spooner 2010 (OHL) 47, 19-35-54 (1.15)
  7. Alexander Khoklachev 2011 (OHL) 67, 34-42-76 (1.13)
  8. Valentin Zykov 2012 (QMJHL) 67, 40-35-75 (1.12)
  9. Adam Erne 2013 (QMJHL) 68, 28-44-72 (1.06)
  10. Boone Jenner 2011 (OHL) 63, 25-41-66 (1.05)
  11. Marc Olivier Roy 2013 (QMJHL) 65, 29-38-67 (1.03)
  12. Christian Thomas 2010 (OHL) 64, 41-25-66 (1.03)
  13. Petr Straka 2010 (QMJHL) 62, 28-36-64 (1.03)
  14. Devante Smith-Pelly 2010 (OHL) 60, 29-33-62 (1.03)
  15. Nick Sorensen 2013 (QMJHL) 46, 20-27-47 (1.02)

THIS SEASON

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  • Marco Roy on his wrist being injured in camp: “We did not know it was broken,. I played despite pain during other games and the preseason with the Oilers. “
  • Michael Parkatti: Plays RW but can play C. He’s known for good 2-way game, is a wonderful skater.
  • Bruce McCurdy, Cult of Hockey:Second rounder showed some nice things at camp, including speed, skill, and an attacking bent. He returns to Blainville-Boisbriand of the QMJHL. With a late ’94 birthday, Roy has just one year of normal junior eligibility remaining, and might as well get cracking on it. Has an outside chance to play for Canada at the World Juniors.

POINTS BY DISCIPLINE, MARCO ROY

PLAYER EV PP PK TOTAL
MARCO ROY 2012-13 65, 16-25-41 .631 65, 13-13-26 .400 65, 0-0-0 65, 29-38-67
ROY 2013-14 8, 1-7-8 1.000 7, 1-4-5 .714 7, 0-0-0 8, 2-11-13

These are early days (he missed 16 league games because of the injury) but the young man is involved in the offense pretty much every night (NHLE 82, 6-34-40).

ETA ROY

The Oilers have a full complement of skill wingers 25 and under at the NHL level (Hall, Perron, Eberle, Yakupov), so there’s no need to hurry Roy. This season in junior should be followed by a prolonged audition in the AHL would seem to be the smart play with Roy. The rankings take notice of the following:

  1. Range of skills
  2. Offense
  3. Established leagues

and does not give more weight to:

  1. proximity to the NHL

Roy qualifies for this spot due to the wide range of skills described above, his terrific early season performance and Parkatti’s advanced work. He will be in the Subway series against Russia and is in the conversation for WJC’s. Roy will turn 20 next summer, so the Oilers are likely to sign him and 2014-15 will be spent in Oklahoma  City.

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79 Responses to "#3 PROSPECT: MARCO ROY"

  1. David says:

    This is a player that if he makes it ( I think he will) will be a fan favourite.

  2. Colieo87 says:

    Ya or a depth card. I guess time will tell.

  3. Henry says:

    It will be interesting to hear Pronman’s take on Roy’s development when he has another month to assess. I’m interested in how the difference between Redlines ‘absolute buzzsaw’ and Pronman’s ‘at times will drift to the perimeter’ shakes out this year.

    His production coming off injury during camp is really impressive. Combine that with Redline’s ‘competes like a bastard’ and it sounds like the sort that can develop like Marchand has with an a) extra year in the minors, b) a year or more on a good fourth line (dare we dream) and (c) slotting up the lineup thereafter.

    Note in proof: I woke up this AM and watched the PVR of a hockey game. I was shocked to see the Edmonton Oilers able to sustain a cycle for many shifts in the third period and score! They even won. I’m going to go tell it on the mountain.

  4. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I have so much more confidence in this kid than I do in a lot of the former 2nd round forwards we’ve taken. He’s a little smaller, but he’s actually got the goods.

    Being at the old age of his draft year might hurt him. I’d like to see him play out an extra year of jr. The AHL may be a steep climb for him next year.

    ps. should we be worried that they didn’t know he had a broken hand and let him play? Seems like something you’d check into sooner.

  5. David says:

    The fan boy in me believes that Roy and Chase can be second liners, Khaira can be a third liner and Moroz can be a useful fourth liner. But none are on the A yet. Please let it be so.

  6. slopitch says:

    Sounds a bit like a Andrew shaw or brad Marchand type player oilers need that.

    Was pleasantly surprised last night by the oilers. They are going to have to become a cycle team because the D really can’t move the puck. The cycle was good to see. Nuge struggled a bit but that top line was good.

  7. Ryan says:

    Lordy, how about that 2010 draft. 2 second round picks before he was drafted and we don’t grab Toffoli.

    That Tyler Toffoli is looking like an NHL player already is a surprise to no one.

  8. Lowetide says:

    The best part of last night was Hall’s brilliant 10 seconds before the first goal. Grabs the puck, prepares to rip it out, and then the brilliance kicks in and he just starts skating down the portside. Two guys have marked him but hell man they don’t have a chance.

    CHANCE sends a lovely pass to SHOOTER and that’s all she wrote.

  9. Henry says:

    Lowetide:
    The best part of last night was Hall’s brilliant 10 seconds before the first goal. Grabs the puck, prepares to rip it out, and then the brilliance kicks in and he just starts skating down the portside. Two guys have marked him but hell man they don’t have a chance.

    CHANCE sends a lovely pass to SHOOTER and that’s all she wrote.

    Turns out it is a simple game after all if you are blessed with that speed and talent.

  10. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: CHANCE sends a lovely pass to SHOOTER and that’s all she wrote.

    This re-naming is good. Is RNH CROWD CONTROL?

  11. theres oil in virginia says:

    Lowetide:
    The best part of last night was Hall’s brilliant 10 seconds before the first goal. Grabs the puck, prepares to rip it out, and then the brilliance kicks in and he just starts skating down the portside. Two guys have marked him but hell man they don’t have a chance.

    CHANCE sends a lovely pass to SHOOTER and that’s all she wrote.

    My favorite part of that play (other than, of course the goal) was the moment where Hall, who was skating at 3/4 speed, realized that the defense were taking away the center ice pass and giving Hall the outside lane. You can almost see his eyes get big as the jets come on and he blasts down the side wall! Awesome acceleration and smarts. I still can’t believe they gave Hall the lane.

  12. Ryan says:

    Off topic, but wtf… Seth Jones playing over 24 min per night. That’s just crazy for 2013 draft pick dman.

    Read a long thread when I was bored last night at HF Boards. The thread was a debate about firing Eakins.

    I’ve also had a thing for crowd intelligence–even if it’s in short supply at HF Boards. :)

    Consensus seemed to be that overall Eakins isn’t the only problem (duh), but his hire was a mistake. Most think we should have hired a more experienced coach.

    Even those who didn’t see a point in firing him this lost seasons see his hire as an epic fail.

    No one could find one positive to say about anything he’s done this season except for a brief early improvement in corsi.

    Some were split on firing him because the season’s already over and there’s no replacement available on the market, while others think he has to be fired because his record speaks for itself.

    Nearly everyone agreed that as flawed as our roster is, the record should be better.

    We won the game last night but got hammered by Calgary on Corsi.

    Like I said before, Pat Quinn who couldn’t name half his players coached a team with an inferior roster–half of whom were on the IR, to a better record than this WHILE the team was tanking for taylor (and not trying to make it look obvious).

    There is something seriously wrong with what Eakins is doing…

  13. Brackenburied says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: This re-naming is good. Is RNH CROWD CONTROL?

    As soon as I read Chance & Shooter, weirdly, I immediately thought of Turner and Hooch. I like it. Chance & Shooter, not the movie.

  14. Lowetide says:

    I’m not certain that arguing hf boards has decided something is an endorsement of the idea. I haven’t visited in awhile, and do know some fine posters over there from the olden days remain, but for me the idea that Eakins should be fired is a poor one on just about every level.

  15. Pouzar says:

    Ryan:
    Off topic, but wtf… Seth Jones playing over 24 min per night.That’s just crazy for 2013 draft pick dman.

    Read a long thread when I was bored last night at HF Boards.The thread was a debate about firing Eakins.

    I’ve also had a thing for crowd intelligence–even if it’s in short supply at HF Boards.

    Consensus seemed to be that overall Eakins isn’t the only problem (duh), but his hire was a mistake.Most think we should have hired a more experienced coach.

    Even those who didn’t see a point in firing him this lost seasons see his hire as an epic fail.

    No one could find one positive to say about anything he’s done this season except for a brief early improvement in corsi.

    Some were split on firing him because the season’s already over and there’s no replacement available on the market, while others think he has to be fired because his record speaks for itself.

    Nearly everyone agreed that as flawed as our roster is, the record should be better.

    We won the game last night but got hammered by Calgary on Corsi.

    Like I said before, Pat Quinn who couldn’t name half his players coached a team with an inferior roster–half of whom were on the IR, to a better record than this WHILE the team was tanking for taylor (and not trying to make it look obvious).

    There is something seriously wrong with what Eakins is doing…

    You must have been bored. I can’t express enough vitriol for that short sighted, hyperbolic abyss they call a forum. But I guess opinions are like assholes. I thank God everyday for this place.

  16. Woodguy says:

    I like that the Oilers are perhaps using some of Mike’s Mad Math Moxie to identify undervalued players in later rounds.

    The early returns on this year are surely promising.

    OT,

    I wonder if Talbot’s hot start is making Sather re-think throwing $8MM/yr at Lundqvist?

    He’s .943 in 5 games.

    He’s a .913 and .918 in the last 2 years in the AHL so expect the regression to come soon, but it still has to make a guy think.

    I have Lundqvist as one of the top 5 goalies in the NHL, but $8MM ties up an awful lot of $$$.

  17. VanOil says:

    I would like for Hemsky to be resigned for 3 years to play 3d line right wing. Having some one over capable for there role would be a nice change for the Oilers.

    Then I would like to see Marco Roy beat him out for the job some time 3 seasons from now.

    Keeping useful veteran NHL player and over ripening skilled prospects doesn’t sound like Oilers hockey does it?

  18. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide,

    I’m not certain that arguing hf boards has decided something is an endorsement of the idea.

    I’m not certain that smashing my thumb with a hammer is a good idea.

  19. VanOil says:

    Woodguy:
    Mike’s Mad Math Moxie to identify undervalued players

    Hopefully the good early returns will make the Oilers try it again and again.

  20. VanOil says:

    Woodguy:
    I wonder if Talbot’s hot start is making Sather re-think throwing $8MM/yr at Lundqvist?

    Slats has the stones to trade the face of the Franchise. Ed Snider would probably trade away half a team for him. The temptation has to be there to at least listen to offers.

  21. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    VanOil: I would like for Hemsky to be resigned for 3 years to play 3d line right wing.

    Stopped sight reading at “3d” and had a real moment of confusion. “Move Hemsky to defense? That’s a new one!” Read it again and all was good.

    I can see no reason not to try and re-sign Hemsky. Even if Ebs and Yak both stay long term and take the 1 and 2 spots at RW.

    Get good players, keep good players.

  22. Woodguy says:

    Apparently J.Shultz is probably back Tues. vs CBJ:

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/11/15/justin-schultz-has-had-to-table-his-return-to-the-edmonton-oilers-lineup-until-next-week/

    “We miss him moving our puck out of the zone right now,” said head coach Dallas Eakins

    That’s an understatement.

    Do you take out Potter or Larsen?

    I think its a given that J.Shultz slots on the 2nd pairing with Belov/Ference.

    Its above his ability, but Because Oilers he’s the best option.

    I think I pull out Larsen.

    He’s shitting the bed in basic Dman situations (his ability to take no one on a 2 on 1 is apparently a repeatable ability, seen it more than twice now)

    Potter has a decent, quiet game and I’d take out the Chaos right now.

  23. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    On Lundquist… you’d have to make damn sure he’d sign long term (I’m sure they’d also structure the trade conditionally). Otherwise, it’d be a pretty penny to pay for a rental, one which a contending team would be more likely to pay.

  24. Lowetide says:

    I’d keep Potter in because he’s more physical and can win battles. I like Larsen, but you can see why Dallas found a replacement. He’s kind of a better Chorney.

  25. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy: I think I pull out Larsen.
    He’s shitting the bed in basic Dman situations (his ability to take no one on a 2 on 1 is apparently a repeatable ability, seen it more than twice now)
    Potter has a decent, quiet game and I’d take out the Chaos right now.

    I’m a Larsen fan… but I agree here. You can only have so many chaotic men back there.

    His speed is a marvel though. I really like him and think he’ll be back a couple of times this season.

    Also, CBC basically said it was Larsen who was borderline injured last night.

  26. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    I’d keep Potter in because he’s more physical and can win battles. I like Larsen, but you can see why Dallas found a replacement. He’s kind of a better Chorney.

    I think he’s more of a worse J.Shultz than a better Chorney.

    Chorney never showed any kind of offensive chops in the NHL.

    Then again Larsen didn’t have to line up with Struddy night after night either.

  27. Andy P says:

    Referring to the commenters not our fine blogger, we could all become a lot more relevant in our comments if we just cared to remember the facts of the matter:
    1) If we measure rebuilds by GM’s, this is rebuild #2.
    Dithers ran through 4 coaches, MacT, Quinn, Renney and Krueger, of which Quinn was the only one deserving a switch. He did get Hall, Hopkins and Yak, only because he ran the team into the ground. He did get Jultz, only because he was made to stay home and make spaghetti while others did his work for him with Jultz – work he could not do in 2 months of Sundays.

    So to be clear, rebuild 2 started when MacT came on board and it’s been said he’s done more in 1/4 of a season than Dithers did in 4 or Dithers and 6 Rings did together in 7?

    2) People more knowledgeable than us commenters said it would take 30 games into the season for this team to come together in the manner in which MacT and Eakins intended. We just played game #21 and pulled one out of the hat against an admittedly bad team that we should beat like a rented mule any given Hockey Night in Canada.

    3) The 30 game person (Stauffer) made no mention of ridiculous injuries nor appalling goal tending. It’s been well documented on this blog, how many more games we would have won had DD continued with his .921 save %, let alone without injuries to Nuge, Gagner, Jonesuu, Hall, Smyth, , Dubnyk, Perron, Jultz, Bachman, and Belov, putting aside Grebs, Potter, Smac, Hamilton, Pitlick, and now Gazdic.

    4) There are people that MacT has said repeatedly clearly and emphatically that he is not trading his core of 8 or 9 players and specifically Yak. So talking of trading any of said 8 or 9 is a waste of words.
    Besides which, nobody good will want to come here until we get on a solid win streak, and no-one out of our Core 9 will be worth anything either until this team starts winning consistently, when there will no longer be such a hue and cry about trading our young for some 3rd rate mirage.

    5) This team has the reputation of being a coach killer. If MacT were to fire Eakins, I do not think that any non-washed up coach would give any thought to risking their career with a team like this. I do think that MacT had to have a coach he was prepared to go through this fire with, and I don’t think Eakins or any other coach would have been prepared to take on this job if they had any idea of what was in store.

    If we can all bear at least some of this in mind, and drop the silly mantras, I think we will all be doing LT a big favor.

  28. Adam Dyck says:

    C’mon LT, what would Gilbert have had to do to approach impact status? I’d say he’s been a better player than Gagner, at least.

  29. Lowetide says:

    I don’t know why Nashville would trade Weber, to be honest. They gave all that up front money might as well enjoy the reward. If I’m the Preds, and MacT calls I ask for Hall and Justin Schultz.

  30. VanOil says:

    Busy day with the remote control today CFL playoffs, Grand Prix on NA time and Harvin playing for the Seahawks for the first time.

    As American ’40′ times are meaning less to me I choose to dig deeper to find out how fast Percy Harvin is. In High School he won his State Track 100m championship with a time of 10.01 seconds. Imagine how fast he is now as an Adult running from a 300lb Oger intent on doing him harm.

  31. Lowetide says:

    Adam Dyck:
    C’mon LT, what would Gilbert have had to do to approach impact status? I’d say he’s been a better player than Gagner, at least.

    Hmmm. Gilbert had some excellent seasons as an Oiler, but I wouldn’t call either he or Gagner impact players. I’d choose Gagner over Gilbert overall, but that’s a conversation we could have for sure.

  32. sliderule says:

    At the prospect tournament Roy was the oils best skater and showed great skill giving and taking passes.

    The complaint I heard was that he wasn’t finishing the many chances he had.

    I guess that’s what happens with a broken wrist.

  33. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Looks like Bryz is coming up for Monday:

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=436848

    I’d leave him there for one more AHL game. At any rate, let’s see what happens to LaBarbs.

  34. hunter1909 says:

    The Ference Fight: Best part of last night’s game. That Yak skate assist I expect to take for granted from this genius player Oilers are going to eventually go gaga over.

    Why don’t they make Yak a centre? He skates through centre ice carrying the puck very well.

    His high slot shot works like a Napoleonic cannonade sent into a Highland regiment at Waterloo.

    NOTE TO EAKINS: before you end up having a stroke m8, why not simply do a 180 on your attitude now that you’re finally in the bigs? The kids will respond like crazy to your warm cuddly persona you currently only want to share with your hot wife. Not that I blame you for any of that, lol.

  35. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    I don’t know why Nashville would trade Weber, to be honest. They gave all that up front money might as well enjoy the reward. If I’m the Preds, and MacT calls I ask for Hall and Justin Schultz.

    I don’t either… but as long as he’s as good as he is people aren’t going to stop trying to trade for him.

    Frankly, I’m not sure why any team would trade a bona fide top pairing D. And yet, it happens. So, who knows (1000% not going to be Weber though).

  36. Bryan says:

    I am definitely on board with keeping Hemsky at a reasonable number as well. The only time he is mentioned on one of the esteemed national panels is for a lack of work ethic or production but you have to consider the source. How does a team that is trying to improve itself do so by getting rid of Hemsky when there are so many other areas that need upgrading first? If he insists on staying at his current salary then that is not doable but if he is willing to lock himself into several more years of this gong show at around 3.5 then I would jump to get his name on paper. I see no sense at all in trading him because the return would be no where close to what he already brings.

    While I am near the topic I am also wondering why it is so terribly difficult to find a few more insightful members for the expert panels that we are subjected to. Elliotte Friedman is a marvel but the mute button is required for the rest of his coworkers. Paul Maurice is insightful and Bobby Mac is always interesting but golly gee as Howie Meeker would say it gets thin after that and don’t even get me started on Sportsnet.

  37. Hammers says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Looks like Bryz is coming up for Monday:

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=436848

    I’d leave him there for one more AHL game. At any rate, let’s see what happens to LaBarbs.

    You would think he goes on waivers & save some cap space if picked up . Bryz will push DD to be more consistent and if Bryz plays well one of them could get us a #1 or #2 pick at the deadline.

  38. VanOil says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Stopped sight reading at “3d” and had a real moment of confusion. “Move Hemsky to defense? That’s a new one!” Read it again and all was good.

    I can see no reason not to try and re-sign Hemsky. Even if Ebs and Yak both stay long term and take the 1 and 2 spots at RW.

    Get good players, keep good players.

    My apologizes for the 3d and 3D confusion all is possible when discussing the Oilers and clarity is needed. I am far from a cunning linguist or at least one as good as the Mayor of Toronto claims to be. I am proud I was able to produce a universal “Huh” though as it is the most understood of words or grunts. http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/11/-em-huh-em-means-the-same-thing-in-every-language/281359/

  39. Hammers says:

    Bryan:
    I am definitely on board with keeping Hemsky at a reasonable number as well.The only time he is mentioned on one of the esteemed national panels is for a lack of work ethic or production but you have to consider the source.How does a team that is trying to improve itself do so by getting rid of Hemsky when there are so many other areas that need upgrading first?If he insists on staying at his current salary then that is not doable but if he is willing to lock himself into several more years of this gong show at around 3.5 then I would jump to get his name on paper.I see no sense at all in trading him because the return would be no where close to what he already brings.

    While I am near the topic I am also wondering why it is so terribly difficult to find a few more insightful members for the expert panels that we are subjected to.Elliotte Friedman is a marvel but the mute button is required for the rest of his coworkers.Paul Maurice is insightful and Bobby Mac is always interesting but golly gee as Howie Meeker would say it gets thin after that and don’t even get me started on Sportsnet.

    Agree on Hemsky maybe 3 years for 10 mil$ . As for experts (Ha) add Ray Feraro as he says what he thinks and is normally right .

  40. Woodguy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Looks like Bryz is coming up for Monday:

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=436848

    I’d leave him there for one more AHL game. At any rate, let’s see what happens to LaBarbs.

    Given the injuries around the league there’s almost no way he clears waivers.

    My guess is MacT is trying like mad to trade him right now.

  41. Woodguy says:

    All,

    If you’re a Breaking Bad fan you MUST watch this:

    http://www.fark.com/vidplayer/8021549

  42. VanOil says:

    Bryan,

    Our perceived value for Hemsky is similar. I would like to see him signed for 10M over 3 years with maybe 1M in bonuses.

  43. Bryan says:

    I agree on Ferraro. It was a treat listening to his comments during the last two home games. He has a natural feel for the game that he passes along very well. It was great to see Harry Neale on last night as well. I remember many of Harry’s wonderful quotes through the years and I doubt that most of the current crop will have the same effect.

  44. Woodguy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Looks like Bryz is coming up for Monday:

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=436848

    I’d leave him there for one more AHL game. At any rate, let’s see what happens to LaBarbs.

    Jon interviewed him:

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/11/17/new-edmonton-oilers-goalie-ilya-bryzgalov-in-his-own-words/

  45. Rondo says:

    Woodguy:
    All,

    If you’re a Breaking Bad fan you MUST watch this:

    http://www.fark.com/vidplayer/8021549

    I thought for sure when the reference of Scarface came up he was going to say

    Say hello to my little friend

  46. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Hammers: You would think he goes on waivers & save some cap space if picked up . Bryz will push DD to be more consistent and if Bryz plays well one of them could get us a #1 or #2 pick at the deadline.

    Woodguy: Given the injuries around the league there’s almost no way he clears waivers.

    My guess is MacT is trying like mad to trade him right now.

    That’s what I mean. This will probably be the most interesting waiver (if he gets that far) situation of the year, beating the Omark situation by a nose.

    If he makes it to OKC, it’s not the end of the world. It would be nice to have a vet down there with the kids (but Bachman will be that when he’s back). But really, getting a contract off the books and freeing some cap and roster space would be ideal.

    CHI would be an option. They are right at the cap, but LaBarb is cheap so maybe they can wiggle him in.

  47. justDOit says:

    Woodguy,

    Sweet.

  48. Brackenburied says:

    Woodguy: Given the injuries around the league there’s almost no way he clears waivers.

    My guess is MacT is trying like mad to trade him right now.

    Would another roster spot have value?

  49. Halfwise says:

    Andy P,

    Agree with your points.

    And, as in economies, the first parts of a recovery feel a lot like the last parts of the decline.

    In my experience, confidence is contagious, just as discouragement is contagious. I am wondering if the plague of discouragement has passed its peak. Seems likely…having a full roster will do that, along with some puck luck.

    Now what about who dresses for that fourth line and whether it relates to how the guys in the top 9 seem to be tired…

  50. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Brackenburied: Would another roster spot have value?

    A lot. Right now we are at 49 contracts. Going in the trading season having more room to operate could be critical.

    http://www.capgeek.com/oilers/reserve-list/

    shedding redundant or useless contracts (like that sweet, sweet Brown trade) is good management. Offloading Labarbs (even by waiver pickup) is a win right now.

  51. Old School G says:

    We have got some really promising character players coming through the pipeline. We’re not short on skill, we’re short on more guys willing to punch a guy in the mouth because he’s on the other team.

    Hall completely captivates me on most every shift he plays, especially amidst this chaos. Every part of me wants to believe that we will all be able to look back at Hall’s post game interview after SJ as a major turning point to this season. When I was listening to what Hall was saying I felt the entire team’s frustration. Keep the water boiling now.

    After checking out the Jim Matheson article discussing stud D men the Oilers should target I actually feel pretty good about our ability to land a top pairing D man. We will have to give up one of our 8-9 core guys and more than likely our first round pick this year. Teams know how desperate we are for an immediate impact D man and they will ask accordingly, I don’t really believe this is an overpay in the case of the Oilers. We already have a wealth of first round talent in our line up today, we need a stud D man if we’re ever going to take the next step. Whether this hugely necessary trade happens tomorrow, the trade deadline, or the Entry Draft I think the ask is going to be the same.

  52. Woodguy says:

    Brackenburied: Would another roster spot have value?

    An open spot on the 50 man has value, but that’s not why I’d try to trade him.

    The Oilers are not going to keep 3 goalies on the active roster.

    Hanna Barbera probably doesn’t clear waivers, so you trade him rather than lose him for nothing.

    I’d prefer if he cleared waivers.

    With Bachman out long term with his groin injury right now its Bunz and Brossoit on the farm.

    Would like to have a vet there.

  53. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: shedding redundant or useless contracts (like that sweet, sweet Brown trade) is good management.

    Yeah, remember that old mantra about “never trade within your own division”? According to the game sheet Brown actually played against the Oilers on Friday, but I’d be lying if I said I noticed him at any point during the game other than when the broadcast crew mentioned him between the whistles on one occasion. A non-factor.

  54. Woodguy says:

    Fenclose standings this morning.

    Best measure of team ability imo.

    Chicago Blackhawks 57.90%
    St. Louis Blues 56.90%
    Minnesota Wild 56.30%
    Los Angeles Kings 56.10%
    Pittsburgh Penguins 54.90%
    San Jose Sharks 54.10%
    Vancouver Canucks 53.80%
    New Jersey Devils 53.20%
    Dallas Stars 52.90%
    Anaheim Ducks 52.80%
    Boston Bruins 51.80%
    New York Rangers 51.80%
    Detroit Red Wings 50.80%
    Tampa Bay Lightning 50.40%
    New York Islanders 49.80%
    Montréal Canadiens 49.70%
    Nashville Predators 49.60%
    Colorado Avalanche 49.50%
    Calgary Flames 48.50%
    Florida Panthers 48.10%
    Phoenix Coyotes 47.80%
    Winnipeg Jets 47.60%
    Ottawa Senators 47.00%
    Columbus Blue Jackets 46.70%
    Philadelphia Flyers 46.50%
    Carolina Hurricanes 46.40%
    Washington Capitals 46.30%
    Edmonton Oilers 44.20%
    Toronto Maple Leafs 42.00%
    Buffalo Sabres 38.00%

  55. Brackenburied says:

    Woodguy: The Oilers are not going to keep 3 goalies on the active roster.

    Hanna Barbera probably doesn’t clear waivers, so you trade him rather than lose him for nothing.

    I’d prefer if he cleared waivers.

    With Bachman out long term with his groin injury right now its Bunz and Brossoit on the farm.

    Would like to have a vet there.

    But if he’s taken on waivers then the extra spot on the 50 man roster may grease the skids on a good trade by allowing us to take on a lousy contract along with a big D we’ve been looking for.

  56. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Btw, that was an epic game thread last night. Read it late, so knew the result of the game even as people were losing their shit in the comments. I laughed out loud a few times, such as Hunter’s “prison lunchtime mental” description of Ference. LT’s epic rant during the 2nd intermission was clearly the turning point of the game if not the whole season for the Oilers. Transference of energy and all that.

  57. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy: With Bachman out long term with his groin injury right now

    Is it long term? I hadn’t heard that. (not that I’d heard otherwise mind you).

  58. Brackenburied says:

    Woodguy:
    Fenclose standings this morning.

    Best measure of team ability imo.

    Chicago Blackhawks57.90%
    St. Louis Blues56.90%
    Minnesota Wild56.30%
    Los Angeles Kings56.10%
    Pittsburgh Penguins54.90%
    San Jose Sharks54.10%
    Vancouver Canucks53.80%
    New Jersey Devils53.20%
    Dallas Stars52.90%
    Anaheim Ducks52.80%
    Boston Bruins51.80%
    New York Rangers51.80%
    Detroit Red Wings50.80%
    Tampa Bay Lightning50.40%
    New York Islanders49.80%
    Montréal Canadiens49.70%
    Nashville Predators49.60%
    Colorado Avalanche49.50%
    Calgary Flames48.50%
    Florida Panthers48.10%
    Phoenix Coyotes47.80%
    Winnipeg Jets47.60%
    Ottawa Senators47.00%
    Columbus Blue Jackets46.70%
    Philadelphia Flyers46.50%
    Carolina Hurricanes46.40%
    Washington Capitals46.30%
    Edmonton Oilers44.20%
    Toronto Maple Leafs42.00%
    Buffalo Sabres38.00%

    Better than TSN’s power rankings??

  59. VanOil says:

    Old School G,

    Given Mikes Mathematics making our latter round picks more valuable and our current collection of young Kings and Queens (sic) I am all for trading away 1st round picks. I would boldly trade the Oilers next 3 first round picks for a age appropriate stud defenseman.

    As much as I appreciate LT’s great work on prospects and the draft as its one of the few joys for an Oilers fan, I would trade the next three years of high end hope for three years of high end hockey. It has been a long and prevailing darkness.

  60. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Yeah, remember that old mantra about “never trade within your own division”? According to the game sheet Brown actually played against the Oilers on Friday, but I’d be lying if I said I noticed him at any point during the game other than when the broadcast crew mentioned him between the whistles on one occasion. A non-factor.

    I thought he was scratched until you mentioned it. And, there you go:

    http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/boxscore?id=2013020293

    5:10mins 1 hit, 1 block. watched the whole game with him in the back of my mind and didn’t notice him once.

    What a loss.

  61. VanOil says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    I felt LT’s 2nd intermission rant was understated at the time. I am now trying to forget just how bad the Oilers were for two periods.

  62. wheatnoil says:

    VanOil:
    Bruce McCurdy,

    I felt LT’s 2nd intermission rant was understated at the time. I am now trying to forget just how bad the Oilers were for two periods.

    I’m pretty sure that Eakins reads these comments and used LT’s comment verbatim as his motivational intermission speech. It seems to have worked. Is this the new Stan Weir?

  63. Old School G says:

    VanOil:
    Old School G,

    I would boldly trade the Oilers next 3 first round picks for a age appropriate stud defenseman.

    ****************************************

    Has this ever been done before?! Either way there’s no question that a trade like that qualifies as a “bold” move.

  64. Chris says:

    I’m not convinced that Eakins is the right guy to coach this team. At the quarter post his “flair for player management” which were told was exceptional already has Yakupov’s agent suggesting that a trade out of town would be welcomed. The team looks confused and underperforming and the guy seems like a dick every time he talks to the media. I’m pretty much convinced at this point that letting go of Renney and then Krueger were bad decisions. They both seemed like superior coaching options to Eakins.

    But if we want an experienced NHL coach what options are out there?

    Brent Sutter is still just down the road. I’m not convinced he is as effective as Daryl but he would certainly qualify as an experienced option.

    Paul Maurice is looking for North American work. He has a couple decades of NHL experience behind him.He has a number of playoff appearances to his credit but also alot of seasons out of the playoffs.

    Ron Wilson is available. The Sharks were always an extremely competitive team under his tenure.

    Marc Crawford – Has a jack adams award, and a stanely cup to his credit as a coach. He had good teams in Colorado and Vancouver that played an offensive game. It really wasn’t his fault that the Canucks thought Dan Cloutier was a viable option in net. On the other hand his last two outtings in LA and Dallas were no hell.

    Peter Laviolette recently became available. He’s won the cup, lets not go into the circumstances of when that happened (sigh). He had another cup finals appearance and multiple playoff appearances. Three games in was rather premature for the Flyers to fire him.

    Tom Renney – we’re sorry this wasn’t your fault?

  65. VanOil says:

    Old School G,

    The closest I can remember is the Kesel to Toronto trade. But RFA Offer sheet compensation tops out at 4 first round picks so it would be in the ball park.

  66. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Willis with an in-depth look at OKC. His own tracking of adv. stats is very illuminating. A lot of damn work:

    http://oilersnation.com/2013/11/17/oklahoma-city-barons-watch-november-17

    Miller and Musil are the biggest surprises here for me.

  67. sliderule says:

    Oiler fans are schizophrenic.

    One win and they go from the team being not heavy enough to let’s sign Hemsky for three more years.

    This team needs heavier forwards who can play in top three lines and score 10 to 15 goals and wins battles along the wall.

    You have to overpay for these types as Nucks did with Kassian.

    The oil need to trade Hemsky at deadline hopefully for a prospect that is close to stepping into the lineup and who fits the heavy player model.

  68. VanOil says:

    sliderule,

    In the last 8 years have any of the ‘heavier oilers’ forwards contributed more combined to the Oilers winning a hockey game than one Ales Hemsky? If you discount Penner as a ‘soft’ ‘lazy’ honorary small man I don’t think so but i have been treating my schizophrenia with alcoholism so can’t be trusted.

  69. VanOil says:

    Good to see McCoy playing again and the LTs Eagles winning at home for a change.

  70. Old School G says:

    VanOil,

    Good recall! In Kessel’s case there was some definite drama there between him and the Bruins. To me it looks like Weber and the Predators organization are solid. Maybe when the contract talks heat up between PK and the Habs differences of opinion, and the noise that goes with that will be enough for Marc B to listen to draft pick offers? Just a random thought.

  71. Lowetide says:

    VanOil:
    Good to see McCoy playing again and the LTs Eagles winning at home for a change.

    It really is, I’ve got Sens-Jackets and CFL on too, busy day! New post up, #4 prospect.

  72. misfit says:

    I still have yet to see him play, and maybe it’s a French-Canadian thing, but Roy sounds a lot like an Alex Burrows/David Perron type of player. If he turns out to be on par with either of those guys, this will prove to have been an outstanding 2nd round pick for the Oilers.

  73. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    sliderule:
    Oiler fans are schizophrenic.

    One win and they gofrom the team being not heavy enough to let’s sign Hemsky for threemore years.

    Except the same people (myself included) have been saying re-sign Hemsky forever.

  74. VanOil says:

    Old School G,

    3 picks 1st round picks for Subban would make me happy. I would of loved an offer sheet 2 years ago.

  75. Old School G says:

    VanOil,

    Here’s hoping we’re having a crystal ball moment!

  76. tcho says:

    It’s starting to become clear. We’re the Atlanta Thrashers “rebuild,” not the Chicago Blackhawks version. You can’t undo all the damage done since 2006, and there are some positives (Hall, RNH) though not nearly enough. How does a GM turn this thing around? How do they do it before Hall etc. start asking to be traded?

    I admit to drinking the koolaid this summer. I thought, by and large, MacT made some good moves. I also liked the way Eakins was talking and thought that would be a good move. I thought that the maturation process would yield more of a positive from more of the youngsters than it has.

    I’m flummoxed. Do you blow it up again, and build from the goal/blue line out? It doesn’t seem like the “small moves” approach is going to be able to fix a team that’s this statistically bad (see WG’s fenwick post above).

  77. Benhur says:

    Get off the pot…what are you smoking…WTF…piss off…etc. etc. Now that I have your attention “WHY WOULD YOU PUT ROY AHEAD OF MARICIN” or any other AHL professional. Marincin has proven his mettle, he has battled with the big boys and is growing into a NHL player!
    Roy what has he done????? well???? Yah right, nadda, except play against boys. We’ve seen these stupid rankings before where a hotshot junior prospect is ranked higher than a professional AHL player. How did Shremp turnout, Jacques, etc.?
    No it doesn’t make any sense to me to rank amateurs playing boys vs. professional prospects because the crystal ball you use is flawed and the glasses to pink! Results have been poor except for the #1 picks!

  78. Lowetide says:

    Benhur:
    Get off the pot…what are you smoking…WTF…piss off…etc. etc. Now that I have your attention “WHY WOULD YOU PUT ROY AHEAD OF MARICIN” or any other AHL professional. Marincin has proven his mettle, he has battled with the big boys and is growing into a NHL player!Roy what has he done????? well???? Yah right, nadda, except play against boys. We’ve seen these stupid rankings before where a hotshot junior prospect is ranked higher than a professional AHL player. How did Shremp turnout, Jacques, etc.?No it doesn’t make any sense to me to rank amateurs playing boys vs. professional prospects because the crystal ball you use is flawed and the glasses to pink!Results have been poor except for the #1 picks!

    Ben,

    The 3-4-5-6-7 on this list was a tough call, but for me Marincin’s lack of offense without Justin Schultz is enough of a worry. Thanks for posting, though!

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