BLACKHAWKS AT OILERS, G25 13-14

The Edmonton Oilers put their modest three game winning streak up against the Stanley Cup champions tonight because, well, this is the season from hell and that’s how it works. The club has been building some momentum (especially on the powerplay) and would appear to be out of their early season doldrums—but a game against middling competition would have been nice before climbing Everest.

GOALIES

dubnyk common1Logic and reason suggest Dubnyk gets the start—he’s certainly rested—and the club can look to start Bryzgalov sometime during the road trip. It’s wait and see, but at this point Dubnyk would have to have the inside track on the starter’s role since he’s been money the last while. I don’t agree with those who feel signing Bryzgalov was a giant waste of time, if only because it gives them another trade asset for the deadline.

What would it take for you to be comfortable dealing Dubnyk to (say) the Islanders at the deadline? Let’s say he’s playing well and Bryzgalov has matched him step for step, and the Islanders want Dubnyk? What’s enough? It would have to be more than a second, right? But not a first certainly. Fair? Interesting thought anyway, we have plenty of time to chat about it.

Jason LaBarbera is an interesting case. I imagine he’ll have enough value during the season for a team to come calling.

TRADE RUMORS AND FREE AGENCY

phaneuf

HNIC talked about Dion Phaneuf taking less than 100% to stay in Toronto, and that makes me smile. It might be tough to give up all those Stanley’s by leaving the Big Smoke, but pure money for a top D is much better than assets and money to land the big man. Dion Phaneuf as an Oiler? Sure. It’ll take some getting used to and we shouldn’t let him near the blackboard when the kids are watching, but that’s a strong option.

Bruce Garrioch has the Oilers kicking the tires on Michael Del Zotto, that looks like a sideways move if any, and Del Zotto’s value isn’t outstanding at this time. Garrioch also says he talked to an executive who said “they (Oilers) want to do something but they overrate their players which means the prices are high.” I’m fine with that, MacT is dealing with jackals and pirates and they’d end his GM career in a heartbeat if it meant extending their own. I’ve also read (somewhere) the Flyers told the Oilers not to bother them anymore unless Eberle’s on the table.

Rowboats for Ocean liners. Jackals. Garrioch also had two scouts at the Boston-Carolina game and Lowe, MBS and Musil were at Guelph-Kitchener yesterday afternoon.

Elliotte Friedman mentioned Ales Hemsky to Ottawa on Saturday night, if he must go then the Senators (if they get things straightened out) would be an acceptable landing spot. Ottawa has some nice things, one wonders if the Oilers will take picks back, or possibly picks and a player (Ottawa is money aware).

Christian Ehrhoff is getting a lot of mentions here and other Oiler blogs, I have always liked him and his Vollman looks good

VOLLMAN SLEDGEHAMMER

buffalo blueEhrhoff’s CorsiON is better than Pysk’s and Myers and lordy Pysyk is in the deep end early. I imagine Matty will have a Drew Stafford article up this week, and I kind of wonder if the Oilers are still interested in Mikhail Grigorenko (although he’s been poor), but Ehrhoff to Edmonton is something to ponder and endorse (depending on price).

koroll2Cliff Koroll was one of my favorite players as a kid. I saw him a lot in 1971 and 1973 and then Chicago didn’t get a lot of playoff time for a few years (read: TV time) but he hung around a long while and played in the first season Edmonton was in the NHL (Oilers and Hawks have had a lot of things in common over the years). Cliff Koroll got an assist on the first goal-against in Oiler NHL history (goal by John Marks, other assist by some guy named Mikita).

I’ve been saying forever that the Oilers need a Pisani-Koroll type, but as it happens they appear to have lucked out with Ryan Smyth and the fountain of youth. They’ll have to ride that nag til he drops—and at 400 years old, he will—but it’s nice to see all the same.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

monroe8Big game against a great opponent tonight. We’ll set the stage at 10 this morning on TSN 1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Tyler Dellow from mc79hockey. We’ll talk about the Oilers improvement at 5×4, preview tonight’s game and find a #1D.
  • Travis Yost from hockeybuzz. Ottawa Senators and Hemsky rumors.
  • Scott Reynolds from Copper and Blue. We’ll talk about the Blackhawks and just how far the Oilers have to go in order to compete at their level.
  • Andrew Bucholtz from 55-yard line. Grey Cup!

10-1260 via text or @Lowetide_ on twitter.

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  1. Cobbler says:

    I like that they are facing the Blackhawks following the 3 game streak. A game they can really get up for and the Oil haven’t done too badly against the Hawks during this decade with a 6-9 record.

    Dubnyk should get the start until he loses or is obviously tired. Let him play well as long as he can.

    I suspect Bryz will do well with another week of NHL practice, but you obviously want to get him in a game soon.

  2. theres oil in virginia says:

    For your sake, I wish you had vacation today. For my sake, I’m glad you don’t have vacation today. I’m hoping to catch the show today – interested to hear what Dellow and you can figure out regarding #1D.

    Philly can go to hell. All of them, especially their owner.

  3. slopitch says:

    Trading Dubnyk makes sense closer to the deadline if they aren’t planning on resigning him – especially if a big forward is available. I don’t see him yielding a top pairing D though. NYI have a lot to offer, and need. They did move their first in the Vanek trade. I cant see them getting Reinhart but Im sure they’d be asking. Dion… blah. I guess your right if the cost is only money, by all means.

    Oilers vs Hawks have been great games the last couple seasons. I’m hoping for another today.

  4. David says:

    There is one player (prospect) that I covet above everyone else and Ottawa has him. Lazar. Make it happen. Please. Never liked a player as much as this one.

    Also is Del Zotto such a bad idea? I never watch NYR so I don’t really know much about him.

  5. gcw_rocks says:

    Ottawa would be an interesting trading partner. The Sens aren’t trading a defenceman off their roster for Hemsky, and I doubt they would part with Ceci.

    The Oilers would probably love Zibanejad, but they now have him playing with Spezza, so I think that’s a non-starter. The Sens might like to move Michalek , but that deal doesn’t make sense for the Oilers.

    Mark Stone maybe? Puempel? When they trade Hemsky, I sure as heck hope its not for picks. At least try to get a prospect that’s close to NHL ready if they can’t get an NHL player.

  6. sliderule says:

    The only player that Lowe Mbs Musil could be looking at on those two teams would be Matt Finn.

    They don’t have any draft eligibles in top thirty

  7. Woodguy says:

    sliderule:
    The only player that Lowe Mbs Musil could be looking at on those two teams would be Matt Finn.

    They don’t have any draft eligibles in top thirty

    You think there’s a trade coming with TOR?

  8. Woodguy says:

    Maybe they were looking at Justin Bailey as part of a BUF trade?

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=149191&encode=TRUE

    They could have been looking at anyone really.

  9. Woodguy says:

    So my Christmas wish is for the OIlers to be .500 by December 31st.

    They have 18 games between then and now, so that means going 13-5-0 or 12-4-2 or something like that.

    I know its not probable, that why its a wish.

    What I can say is that if the Oilers (especially the F) are as committed to neutral zone and dzone plays as they have been the last 2 games (especially the CBJ game) then they can beat any team.

    If Eakins has finally got the likes of 89,4 14 to do the things they need to do without the puck in order to limit chances against, this team can beat any team.

    I’ve seen 89 hard on the backcheck the last two games, tying up sticks in the slot, and I swear to various gods I saw Gagner covering the slot AND LOOKING AROUND FOR A CHECK INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT THE PUCK.

    Unicorns I tells ya, I’ve seen em!

    With Perron becoming a shot machine (9 last game. 9!) the OIlers can actually ice 3 lines that can score.

    Unicorns I tells ya, I’ve seen em!

    Also,

    The PK has done very well over the last 6 games or so and the PP is on the edge of becoming a powerhouse in the NHL.

    The shot/60 are getting to the elite level (over 60/60) and goals/60 are as well (over 8/60)

    Add to all of this a goalie who has rattled off .945 over his last 5 games and the recipe is there.

    1) Commitment to team defense
    2) Supported zone exits (closely related to 1)
    3) 3 lines that a threat to score
    4) Elite 5v4 play
    5) Solid PK
    5) Elite goaltending

    That’s the ingredients a team needs to make a 12-4-2 run.

    Now if they could add Ehrhoff for nothing off the roster, they’d be cooking with gas.

    Go Oilers!!!

  10. slopitch says:

    You’d think if Buffalo would be willing to do 2014 1st + Nultz for Erhoff that MacT would have pulled the trigger by now?

  11. DeadmanWaking says:

    For me this is second October, after the cute red-haired girl skips town and the school’s department of records burns to the ground. We might do well tonight, but it’s just not the same impressing Peppermint Patty.

    Close your eyes, boys, and put on a show for the empty desk.

    Perhaps next fall her family moves back to town again, and she’s back in her favorite desk–in a new dress with new curls and more flounce than ever–and she goes “Chuck! You’ve changed!” when you’re called to the boards for the first time, so loud you can almost hear it over the tremendous ruckus of the pencil dropped by the chubby girl seated in the over-sized desk at the back of the row nearest the door.

    Chubby girls are so vindictive.

  12. Woodguy says:

    FF% close is the best predictor of future points when your sample is smallish.

    Once you get to 50 games or so, goal differential and points earned start to predict as well as FF% close.

    Oilers FF% close in the last two games were 76.2% and 57.9% respectively.

    That also has me seeing unicorns.

    I know they did it against the sisters of the poor, but they still did it.

    We are about to see a vastly different Oilers team in the last 58 games than we did in the first 22.

    If they can put it all together and keep it there, this is the beginning of something special.

    They really need to avoid the “throw the sticks on the ice and expect to win” This team, as bad as they have been over the last few years have been guilty of this many, many times after they have strung together a few wins.

    Also,

    A 1LD that you could get without giving up any significant piece off the roster would be great.

  13. Woodguy says:

    slopitch:
    You’d think if Buffalo would be willing to do 2014 1st + Nultz for Erhoff that MacT would have pulled the trigger by now?

    BUF doesn’t have a GM yet.

    I’m holding out hope until they get one.

    You also have to assume Ehrhoff waives his NTC to go to Edmonton.

  14. icecastles says:

    Woodguy: So my Christmas wish is for the OIlers to be .500 by December 31st.

    I’m hoping for them to be just above .500 by season’s end. Given the hellish start, I think that will still be an accomplishment.

    To be at .500 by December 31 (assuming straight win/loss and pretending 1 point losses don’t exist) means they will have to have won 21 games (I believe they will have played 42 by that point), and they’re at 7 so far. So in their next 18, they have to win 14 of their next 18. I’m optimistic, but I don’t see that record coming from even the elite teams let alone the Oilers.

    Edit: Then I read the rest of your post. In which you said basically what I just said. I’m going to go have some coffee now. Please ignore me.

  15. icecastles says:

    Woodguy: You also have to assume Ehrhoff waives his NTC to go to Edmonton.

    Why wouldn’t he? Have you SEEN the giant mall?

  16. wintoon says:

    To say that Gagner has turned a corner defensively would require a much larger sample size. His D awareness is very low and his contribution has been non-existent for years. As for a trade partner, I really like Ottawa as well. To me Lazar would be an ideal return as his game appears to have the ingredients our roster lacks. The real question would be whether Ottawa is prepared to deal him. Given the quality of play currently, the team could sure use a boost. Even though they are in the East, they are unlikely to earn enough points for the playoffs at their current rate.

  17. GordM says:

    Hossa out again according to this article:

    http://espn.go.com/chicago/nhl/story/_/id/10034181/marian-hossa-chicago-blackhawks-likely-again-monday

    Sucks to hear the reason why (personal matter). I recall that OT goal he scored against us when our D (petry I think? Maybe Gilbert) let him dance past for a front of the net winner. He’s a beast against us but then again…who isn’t!

  18. icecastles says:

    wintoon: To me Lazar would be an ideal return as his game appears to have the ingredients our roster lacks.

    Such as? I watched him in plenty of Oil Kings games and while I loved his play and welcome the Principuns his name would elicit, he seems to be the exact player we arguably already have too many of.

  19. Woodguy says:

    GordM:
    Hossa out again according to this article:

    http://espn.go.com/chicago/nhl/story/_/id/10034181/marian-hossa-chicago-blackhawks-likely-again-monday

    Sucks to hear the reason why (personal matter).I recall that OT goal he scored against us when our D (petry I think?Maybe Gilbert) let him dance past for a front of the net winner.He’s a beast against us but then again…who isn’t!

    Hossa is an absolute piss-cutter.

    Oiler’s chances just went up.

  20. David says:

    icecastles,

    The oilers don’t have any Lazar’s. That’s the problem.

  21. Woodguy says:

    Forbes business of hockey 2013 is out

    Ranks EDM as the 14th most valuable franchise at $400MM

    I think Katz paid $200MM for the team.

    A lot of people might say “yeah, but he can’t access that $200MM unless he sells the team”

    That’s not quite correct.

    One reason billionaires get involved in ownership of sports team is that the franchise value gains can be borrowed against as real equity.

    Its a wonderful thing to have an asset appreciate 100% in a short time, then borrow against it for nearly free with the interest expense tax laws being what they are and the ability for someone with the resources of a Katz to prove losses in some parts of the business to work the borrowing cost down to effectively zero.

    Its almost like free money.

    Forbes has them making $10.3MM in the lock out shortened season.

    Imagine what they would have made if LaForge could have moved them to a “bigger market”???

    Man, I can’t fucking stand LaForge.

    List is here: http://www.forbes.com/nhl-valuations/list/

    Article is here: http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2013/11/25/the-nhls-most-valuable-teams/

  22. Ryan says:

    icecastles: Why wouldn’t he? Have you SEEN the giant mall?

    Have you ever been to Buffalo? Wow.

  23. Ryan says:

    Woodguy,

    Where wil Katz slot in when the new rink is completed?

  24. TheOtherJohn says:

    I think there is a greater liklihood that the Oilers go .500 in the next 18 games than 13-5 or 12-4-2 or some such.

    We’ve just beaten 3 of the 5 weakest teams in the NHL (would have to include Oil in that bottom 5 grouping) and our goaltending has been above average.

    Hossa being out tonight helps but look at the Oiler schedule the next 18 games and find 10 average opponents

    It is, though, an admirable wish

  25. Ryan says:

    What boggles my mind for all of the talk about Edmonton being an undesirable city to live in relative to other NHL destinations, there’s Buffalo and then there’s Detroit–two places I as an Edmontonian wouldn’t ever want to move to under nearly any circumstances.

  26. Woodguy says:

    Ryan:
    Woodguy,

    Where wil Katz slot in when the new rink is completed?

    Will certainly help revenues and profits.

    I bet they could get to the top 10.

  27. GordM says:

    Ryan:
    What boggles my mind for all of the talk about Edmonton being an undesirable city to live in relative to other NHL destinations, there’s Buffalo and then there’s Detroit–two places I as an Edmontonian wouldn’t ever want to move to under nearly any circumstances.

    I wonder how much Eastern-Travel factors into their decision?

    I believe it was summer ’08 when Lowe/Katz pitched Hossa the 9 year, $81million offer. He would be 5 years down, 4 years (including this one) to go on that deal.

    That deal also made Glencross ‘the one that got away’ IIRC.

  28. Woodguy says:

    Ryan:
    What boggles my mind for all of the talk about Edmonton being an undesirable city to live in relative to other NHL destinations, there’s Buffalo and then there’s Detroit–two places I as an Edmontonian wouldn’t ever want to move to under nearly any circumstances.

    The media harped on Edmonton being an undesirable place to live.

    The players usually mention that the hockey team’s been shitty forever.

  29. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    DD named one of NHL’s 3 stars of the week

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=693003&navid=DL|NHL|home

    so… there’s that.

  30. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Interesting item:

    46 minutes ago
    @jonasTSN1050: Looks like Paul Ranger will remain out again tonight. Healthy scratch for the first time all season on Saturday.

    2 in a row. Is this Ranger not playing great or Carlyle off his rocker?

    2nd best CorsiOn among D, 3rd best Zone Start, Last in Qualcomp

    http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?ds=11&s=30&f1=2013_s&f2=5v5&f4=D&f5=TOR&c=0+1+3+5+4+6+7+8+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67+11+12+13+14+15+16#

    Looks like he’s playing well in a sheltered roll.

  31. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    1 hour ago
    @jonasTSN1050: Appears Peter Holland will be the odd man out with Bozak coming back.

    That’s interesting too… So… Smithson wins that battle. hmmm.

  32. edwards_daddy says:

    I think congratulations to DD are well in order.
    So glad we didn’t trade him.

  33. nycoil says:

    David:
    There is one player (prospect) that I covet above everyone else and Ottawa has him. Lazar. Make it happen. Please. Never liked a player as much as this one.

    Also is Del Zotto such a bad idea? I never watch NYR so I don’t really know much about him.

    Del Zotto is an offensive defenseman who isn’t putting up points. He is soft defensively and makes $2.9M this year. He has been a healthy scratch under Tortotrella last season and now with Vigneault. He is also a LHD, which we have plenty of LHD in our pipeline. I don’t think we have room for him unless we send some salary their way, and then the question is really do we want the player as part of the mix. I’m not sure. Certainly wouldn’t give up prime assets for him. He’s a buy low candidate for some team, but I don’t think he’d be a good fit in Edmonton. Not the type of defender the fan base likes, and fairly one dimensional, which runs counter to MacT and Eakins’ wants.

  34. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Re: Ranger. Those stats are all fine and dandy, but what is his gritchart ranking? Suspect it is middling to low at best.

    ;)

  35. Hammers says:

    icecastles: Why wouldn’t he? Have you SEEN the giant mall?

    Wanted to play in the east not the west . That was part of his reason for leaving Canucks.

  36. RexLibris says:

    Happy for Dubnyk to get that nod on the stars of the week. He deserves it.

    Heavy rumours that the Flames are shopping Backlund. I’d be interested.

    It would be a nice touch if MacTavish were able to erase the Brodziak error by passing along that mistake to Feaster and company.

  37. icecastles says:

    Hammers,

    Hoping the HTML 6 specification includes a sarcasm tag.

  38. justDOit says:

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=437474#YourCallTop

    Stamkos walking without crutches or a boot – two weeks after breaking his leg. I ain’t no doctor, but that seems wow! He must have rods inserted into the leg for stability. Damn, he might make Sochi after all. ?

  39. JustWatt says:

    Woodguy,

    I’ve lurked here long enough, time to pitch my two cents in.

    I’m such a fanboy that I can’t even describe the thrill this gave me. Woodguy is passing out the cool-aid and I’m drinking deep! It’s not going to happen (right? Unicorns aren’t real ,right?) but just the thought of this team figuring out Easkin’s system after 20 horrific games and suddenly turning the corner with all the horses pulling in the same direction at top speed gets me giddy.

    I’ve been wondering all season long where the games from the last three seasons were, the ones where the boys find their rhythm and go nuclear on a team (ANY team) and for one glorious moment shine a light into the future, showing us what would eventually be. Until Columbus, we hadn’t seen one and that above everything else scared me about the state of the Oilers this year. But one strong period in Calgary where they were rewarded with the bounces they haven’t got all season and it looks in retrospect like the first tumbler finally fell. Then they went supernova and it finally feels like they could at least be a team that might kick some teeth in on any given night if the cards fall right.

    If even a couple of these unicorns that Woodguy is seeing actually show up for a short time this team’s destiny changes and these first horrifying 20 will be remembered as this team’s “night is darkest right before the dawn) moment.

    LT, I love your site, your work. I appreciate your healthy optimism. Keep it coming!

  40. bookje says:

    Few thoughts…

    1. I believe in Woodguy’s unicorns for two reasons. First, I am a fan and want to believe. Second, it makes sense, despite nearly record levels of suckatude by this team this year, the story is logical (good plan destroyed by bad goaltending followed by lack of confidence followed by anxiety in the room regarding coach-players relationship followed by it all coming together). Third, I am a fan and I want to believe.

    2. A good bit of that $200 million increase in value was the arena deal. I supported the deal on a yes/no basis, but I think a better deal could have been had by the City and Katz’ Oilers would only be worth $365 million or some other ridiculous number.

    3. Oilers for the win tonight and everybody starts to believe in unicorns.

  41. linkfromhyrule says:

    opponents to the end of dec:

    Chicago
    Nashville
    Columbus
    Dallas
    Phoenix
    Colorado
    Calgary
    Carolina
    Boston
    Vancouver
    Anaheim
    LA
    Colorado
    St. Louis
    Winnipeg
    Calgary
    Philadelphia
    Phoenix

    Hm. I don’t see a whole lot of middling opponents here, we’re either playing great teams or terrible ones. Mind you, january is even worse so this will be a good test to see how the team actually plays. If they play the way they have in the past 2 and 1/3 games I think it is possible for them to beat any team. They just need to be consistent.

  42. bookje says:

    4. Edmonton is an undesirable location for players because of its crappy record and recent history (last 2 decades). Winning would solve a lot of that. It has its challenges, but there are also some benefits living here. The key group it hurts us with are NHL players who have actress/models/socialite wives probably a significant portion of the league, but I still think it is overcome with a winning team.

  43. Kitchener says:

    Woodguy,

    Bailey is a decent prospect and it’s plausible that the Oil would be interested. Bailey projects as a mid-level winger with above average size & speed, but he doesn’t look like a team-changer.

    After years of teams that featured Jeff Skinner, Gab Landeskog, Ryan Murphy, and John Gibson, the Rangers are in an off year without a lot of star power.

    Radek Faksa is big center and a high Dallas draft pick. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Oil like him.

  44. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Edmonton Oilers ✔ @EdmontonOilers
    “I would like him to play one of those two games.” – Coach Eakins on Bryzgalov, who will make #Oilers debut in Nashville or Columbus
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    5m
    Edmonton Oilers ✔ @EdmontonOilers
    “We had some requests to keep it, so that’s my commitment to the team… Actually, my wife quite likes it.” – Coach Eakins on his beard
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    8m
    Edmonton Oilers ✔ @EdmontonOilers
    “It’s always an exciting challenge for us, and we’ve matched up well in the past.” – Gagner, 21 pts in 23 career games vs. Chicago
    Expand
    11m
    Edmonton Oilers ✔ @EdmontonOilers
    “I care a lot about the group and what’s going on in here… The difference for me has been trusting my game.” – Dubnyk, starts tonight
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    22m
    Edmonton Oilers ✔ @EdmontonOilers
    “He’s been outstanding and we’ve been playing a lot better in front of him.” – RNH on Dubnyk, named @NHL’s 3rd star for last week.
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    Edmonton Oilers ✔ @EdmontonOilers
    No changes to #Oilers lineup at morning skate –> 4-93-14, 64-89-83, 94-27-57, 20-41-6 up front with 21-2, 77-19 and 15-44 on D.

    Ecstatic about that beard staying. Great move. This is really going to up the manliness of the team.

    Sucks about Arco, though.

  45. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Ryan:
    What boggles my mind for all of the talk about Edmonton being an undesirable city to live in relative to other NHL destinations, there’s Buffalo and then there’s Detroit–two places I as an Edmontonian wouldn’t ever want to move to under nearly any circumstances.

    I’ve been to Buffalo once and through it a number of times. It is actually a nice looking city, just lacks any signs of life and no real robust downtown. There are some nice neighborhoods though.

    Detroit is altogether another matter… but no one lives there. They live in Ann Arbor or equivalent, which isn’t that far away and is lovely.

    The big issue with both is the same as with EDM in terms of quality of life: do you want a metropolis or not? If you want big city living, none of these cities apply. Do you want sunshine? None apply. etc.

  46. Old School G says:

    DeadmanWaking:
    For me this is second October, after the cute red-haired girl skips town and the school’s department of records burns to the ground. We might do well tonight, but it’s just not the same impressing Peppermint Patty.

    Close your eyes, boys, and put on a show for the empty desk.

    Perhaps next fall her family moves back to town again, and she’s back in her favorite desk–in a new dress with new curls and more flounce than ever–and she goes “Chuck!You’ve changed!” when you’re called to the boards for the first time, so loud you can almost hear it over the tremendous ruckus of the pencil dropped by the chubby girl seated in the over-sized desk at the back of the row nearest the door.

    Chubby girls are so vindictive.

    While the boys’ eyes are closed, what if Peppermint Patty has a hot cousin that transfers to their class for the second half of the year and sits right where their long lost love had sat?

  47. icecastles says:

    David: The oilers don’t have any Lazar’s. That’s the problem.

    And I guess that’s as detailed an analysis as I’m going to get on exactly what he brings. Somehow, the logic hasn’t swayed me on yet another sub-6′ saw-him-good prospect.

  48. Caramel Obvious says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    1 hour ago
    @jonasTSN1050: Appears Peter Holland will be the odd man out with Bozak coming back.

    That’s interesting too… So… Smithson wins that battle. hmmm.

    The answer is that Carlyle is a terrible talent evaluator. Terrible. He chose Bozak over Grabovski. He regularly ices two face punchers over players that can play. He has benched Gardiner. He is benching Ranger.

    He may have other strengths (I’m too far way too see) but he consistently chooses the wrong players. I remain convinced that the only reason Kadri plays is because he happened to start strong last season. If he hadn’t, Carlyle would have run him out of town as fast as he could. Carlyle is a player killer.

  49. icecastles says:

    Caramel Obvious: He regularly ices two face punchers over players that can play.

    I’m constantly baffled by how many coaches and GMs still want goons in their lineups, often at the expense of superior hockey players.

    I like to think that these guys are in charge because they know their stuff, they are intelligent, clear-thinking people with deep and subtle understandings of the game, taking in enormous amounts of data and making well-reasoned decisions.

    I like to think that when they make decisions that seem bizarre to me (Arcobello/Acton) that they are factoring in criteria I am not privy to or have insights that the average fan lacks.

    Then I look at reality and think they’re mostly just stupid.

  50. justDOit says:

    Adam Vingan ‏@AdamVingan

    Martin Erat (apparently): “I want (out of Washington) as quickly as possible.” http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/was131125.html … #Caps

    Have to be careful about player quotes to foreign news services, but this is out there. Not that I’m saying Erat would be a good Oiler target, just that shit happens, and not always to the Oilers!

  51. Soup Fascist says:

    DeadmanWaking,

    You sir are correct. The problem with trying to impress Peppermint Patty is that she is more likely wanting to be impressed by Marcie than ol’ Chuck. At the very least PP is an LPGA fan. So it ends up being a bit of a pointless exercise. I am sure there is a metaphor there for the Oilers, but I am too dim to put it together.

    But I digress. For those intrigued by Ehrhoff, if you are dealing with Buffalo on D-men, why not take a run at Tyler Meyers? As much as he has been a train wreck the last couple of years, this season he has more points than Ehrhoff and his minus rating is in the same ballpark. His age is more in line with what the core of the Oilers is and will be going forward. 23 year old, 6’7″ D-men do not come along everyday. The cap hit is certainly an anchor and the Oil would need to shed some salary in return, but the actual contract was front loaded like Ehrhoff’s. Given his recent struggles, it should definitely a case of buying low. Two years ago he was an untouchable. The question is what are the chances that he can get his career back on track?

  52. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    justDOit:
    Adam Vingan ‏@AdamVingan

    Martin Erat (apparently): “I want (out of Washington) as quickly as possible.” http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/was131125.html … #Caps

    Have to be careful about player quotes to foreign news services, but this is out there. Not that I’m saying Erat would be a good Oiler target, just that shit happens, and not always to the Oilers!

    “Capitals GM George McPhee has since acknowledged Erat’s trade request, which was initially made at the beginning of the season.

    McPhee told the Washington Post he would not consider eating up any of Erat’s salary in a trade.”

    That’s interesting… looks like it’s been out there for a while and finally hit the press as Erat is trying to force the issue.

  53. stevezie says:

    icecastles: I’m constantly baffled by how many coaches and GMs still want goons in their lineups

    I understand it as an emotional response, but so many teams have been successful without them (or tanked with them) that I can’t understand the inertia of the idea.

    Now, I am a bit of a caveman, and certainly understand the value in size, truculence, intimidation… Brian Burke hockey. I get it, it doesn’t always work but there is something to it. Goons do not contribute to this. David Clarkson is a valuable (if overpaid) NHLer. Fraser McClaren is not. He’s never on the ice! He doesn’t just leak chances, he bleeds them!

    The only theory I’ve heard that makes sense is that modern Goons aren’t there to prevent injuries, they are their to fill your practically pugnacious players with confidence. Maybe Perron crashes the net a bit harder and yaps a bit louder with Gazdic on the bench. Maybe Hall and Yak are quicker to go back at the guys sticking them. Your goon isn’t there to affect the other team, they are their to affect yours.

    P.S Five bucks says Yak has his first fight this season. For the right odds I’ll bet he has his first three. How Ovechkin can play that style and never have accidentally dropped the gloves is beyond me, but Yak seems a lot less calculated than the big 8. I think Ovie hits because he enjoys being bigger, strong, and faster than almost everyone he meets. I think Yak is a little ball of id who is one day going to start punching an enemy in the face. If I were Gazdic I’d try to become Odjick to his Bure, pull him aside now and offer some pointers before it happens.

  54. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Soup Fascist,

    EDM, IMO, is not in a position to bet on reclamation projects. Shitty teams expecting to still be shitty and hoping for miracles and really good teams with extra roster/cap space are where these projects end up.

    Shitty teams trying to crawl out of the gutter go with the sure thing. EDM can’t afford anymore reclamation projects.

  55. Logan91 says:

    Caramel Obvious,

    Bozak is one of the most overrated players IMO.

  56. jfry says:

    if they can find unicorns in Banff, anything is possible
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkW-EAkClbE

    clap.clap.

  57. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    If you do a simple google search for “martin erat”

    https://www.google.ca/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=martin+erat&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=o6CTUvLzOc3yoATehYCABw#q=martin+erat&rls=en

    this hilarious picture of not Martin Erat comes up.

  58. David says:

    nycoil: Del Zotto is an offensive defenseman who isn’t putting up points. He is soft defensively and makes $2.9M this year. He has been a healthy scratch under Tortotrella last season and now with Vigneault. He is also a LHD, which we have plenty of LHD in our pipeline. I don’t think we have room for him unless we send some salary their way, and then the question is really do we want the player as part of the mix. I’m not sure. Certainly wouldn’t give up prime assets for him.He’s a buy low candidate for some team, but I don’t think he’d be a good fit in Edmonton. Not the type of defender the fan base likes, and fairly one dimensional, which runs counter to MacT and Eakins’ wants.

    Thanks! What’s your take on Girardi and Staal?

  59. Soup Fascist says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I totally get that, but you are damned if you do and damned if you don’t. If you want a “sure thing” #1 defenceman – a rare commodity – you pay through the nose. Either you get bent over in a trade (assuming there is a deal to be made) or sign over $100 million ala the Wild in free agency. The question for me is Myers irreperably “done” because of injury / fundamental flaw in his game or has he wilted due to a lack of confidence after failing to live up to his rookie season? I do not know enough about his game to know “what went wrong”.

    I think that if the Oilers pro scouting group – such as they are – believe there is still a player there, the $5.5 mil cap hit is a risk worth taking. Look at the numbers for a 23 year old Zdeno Chara, playing on a similarly bad club on the Island. It is now laughable to think the Senators traded a then 28 year old Chara to Boston because they thought of Redden, Phillips and Chara, the latter was the most expendable. The moral – young D-men take time.

  60. David says:

    icecastles: And I guess that’s as detailed an analysis as I’m going to get on exactly what he brings. Somehow, the logic hasn’t swayed me on yet another sub-6′ saw-him-good prospect.

    He’s a player that plays well all three disciplines: EVS, PP, and PK. Great speed, hits everything, great shot, back checks HARD ( ya I capitalized for emphasis ) can play either “gritty third line game” or “skilled top six game” coaches love him, he can play center or wing, he can play in front of the net on the PP and stands the abuse, and he’s on a better goals per game and points per game pace than Eberle finished his draft plus one season. Oozes leadership.

    At the junior level he is the perfect player, completely rounded. Can he bring that to the NHL? I think so.

  61. stevezie says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I feel for McPhee, sort of. Gave up a lot and it isn’t working out at all. The opposite of working out really.

    That Caps team of a few years ago was beautiful. A lean, mean scoring machine that had a solid bottom six. They were beautiful. I appreciate McPhee for that. On the other hand, he’s the same fool who lacked the confidence of his own convictions, failed to understand the importance of variance and perseverance, and tried to drive a Ferrari like a pick-up truck.

    Yeah Oates isn’t making the same dumb mistakes that dirty bastard Dale Hunter made, but now it’s too late. Semin is gone, Green ain’t what he was and the moment has passed. Like Nash’s Suns. I wanted that team to win, even if I’m glad my Penguins beat them the year before.

    Good on the Sharks for realising they have a good team and the Cup is just darn hard to win. The Kings are good too, but they only played 6 D the whole playoffs. It takes luck.

    Crazy Theory #1: Ovie is the most under-rated player in the league. People still haven’t gotten over his 68 point season. People still talk about him like an afterthought in the “best-player alive” conversation. He has his flaws, BUT HE IS A GOAL A GAME PLAYER!!! He is a physical wrecking machine! He Cam Neely if Cam Neely was indestructible and an even better player (and never fought, which I think is a shame, but I don’t want to get into that right now). No respect. Maybe he is a famous dick and rather than talk about what a dick he is people just downplay him? He does seem cocky, but jeez so was Mess (who was also a famous dick, non?) and people can’t stop lauding him…

    Crazy Theory #B: Ovie is overrated. So is Crosby. So is Stamkos. So is anyone who has made their hay in the Eastern Conference. Thornton, Toews, Hall and probably a few other guys are diminished in the eyes of the Hockey world because the East is worse than we ever imagined. Someone could look into Crosby’s east-west stats if they wanted and prove me wrong.

    I will regret the length of these comments when my paper isn’t done on time tonight.

  62. Logan91 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    If you do a simple google search for “martin erat”

    https://www.google.ca/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=martin+erat&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=o6CTUvLzOc3yoATehYCABw#q=martin+erat&rls=en

    this hilarious picture of not Martin Erat comes up.

    Priceless!

    On the Erat subject, i’m sure everyone knows he has requested a trade. Of course some fanboys are suggesting that the Caps should trade Erat and their 1st round pick to Edmonton for Yakupov…….

    I don’t understand hockey fans sometimes…. I blame these darn NHL video games where it’s possible to trade Crosby for Zack Stortini and a 7th round pick.

  63. icecastles says:

    Allison Redford with 77% approval in the provincial PC leadership review.

    Regardless of party loyalties and political leaning, that’s Buchberger/KLowe territory there. What the fluff is with this province???

  64. russ99 says:

    Logan91,

    Erat = Hemsky.

    Also, Del Zotto is an older, more established version of Justin Schultz.

    Why would we trade prime assets for a player that’s like one we already have?

    Woodguy:

    I’d love to believe in your Christmas wish, but I need to see more before I can get on board.

    Hoping for a win tonight to push that a little further along.

  65. stevezie says:

    stevezie: David Clarkson is a valuable (if overpaid) NHLer

    I share the common notion (around here) that being good is more important than being big or tough, but size and touighness can contribute to being good- what I’m trying to say is that the one thing the mainstream is right about is that the Oilers are the softest team in hockey. I think Eakins is trying to teach them a pack mentality, but the more I think about it the more the Clarkson offer seems defensible.

    Now I was saying rule #1 in the new NHL is “don’t kill your cap” even before CO came along and started saying it better, but consider:
    1) Lou Lamoriello says it’s never an overpay when you’re getting something you need (hyperbole, I know), and
    2) Do we know the NTC status of the deal? If MacT planned on overpaying for three years of Clarkson and then planned on dealing him and a 2nd for a 7th to a desperate team… that’s ot just defensible, that’s a good idea. I know the cap-recapture would complicate that, but I don’t know all the ins and outs of that and am not interested in reading up on it right now (I’ll pick it up over time).

    I do believe the desperate team would have been out there. I like where this team is going over the last three, but one of the obvious remaining flaws is functional grit. I wish we signed Penner. I wish Jones was what his fans think he is. I wish Joensuu would get back to whatever he was in game 1. People talk about finding the next Lucic (they should be talking about Backes- he’s way better), I’d be thrilled to find the next Nick Foligno.

  66. stevezie says:

    Lowetide,

    “What would it take for you to be comfortable dealing Dubnyk?”

    A ready replacement. I’m less concerned with what we get for him than who takes his spot. Is Bryz preforming and willing to sign here longer term in this scenario? Is… that’s the only one I can think of.

    I am not willing to assume we’ll find something better in the summer. This season has shown us what it means to not have a goalie- we can’t risk that. Obviously you could argue that Dubby showed that he isn’t a goaltender, but his recent resurgence and likely regression to his career mean tells me he should stay until his replacement is out of the bush and into the hand.

    (I’ll go back to work now).

  67. stevezie says:

    icecastles: Allison Redford with 77% approval in the provincial PC leadership review.

    That number is… surprising.

  68. icecastles says:

    icecastles: Allison Redford with 77%

    Okay so this is a couple days old. Sorry, been travelling. Saw the headline and thought it was new news. Still… how do these people do it?

    David:
    Nice rundown on what Lazar brings, thanks. Didn’t see him play such a physical game when I saw him in Edmonton, but if this is true, it’s excellent news as he was already a good backchecker and I definitely saw the speed you mentioned and the passion you infer. He always seemed a smallish guy to me, but if he can play big, then you’re right – that’s absolutely something the current roster is in need of.

  69. rogue says:

    I wonder where the Oil are at in regards to their 1st round pick next year. Normally I would not trade a high pick, but as I look at this team I feel that veterans of the NHL is really where this team is lacking. We desperately need more experience and grit up front and on the blue.

    Another kid who is 3-5 years away before making an impact, is not what this team needs. If they want to make the playoffs next year, (gawd, cant believe I am saying this before Dec.) then I believe the pick along with Hemmer Gags and others will be available.

  70. David says:

    icecastles: Okay so this is a couple days old. Sorry, been travelling. Saw the headline and thought it was new news. Still… how do these people do it?

    David:
    Nice rundown on what Lazar brings, thanks. Didn’t see him play such a physical game when I saw him in Edmonton, but if this is true, it’s excellent news as he was already a good backchecker and I definitely saw the speed you mentioned and the passion you infer. He always seemed a smallish guy to me, but if he can play big, then you’re right – that’s absolutely something the current roster is in need of.

    Very much a physical player. Hits a lot and doesn’t shy away from the rough stuff. Got in a fight in his top prospects game. I think it was against Kerby Rychel but I’m not positive.

  71. David says:

    rogue:
    I wonder where the Oil are at in regards to their 1st round pick next year. Normally I would not trade a high pick, but as I look at this team I feel that veterans of the NHL is really where this team is lacking. We desperately need more experience and grit up front and on the blue.

    Another kid who is 3-5 years away before making an impact, is not what this team needs. If they want to make the playoffs next year, (gawd, cant believe I am saying this before Dec.) then I believe the pick along with Hemmer Gags and others will be available.

    The draft is never about what the team needs now. It’s about ensuring your team is constantly good. We don’t want to oilers to just have a good team for 3-5 years and then sink again. We want a constant stream of good players coming in. And a top ten pick is a very good player for free.

    Never trade a first round pick unless it’s a clear win and you’re getting a young star under contract for several years. Can’t trade away a draft pick for 1-3 years of a player.

  72. Logan91 says:

    David: Very much a physical player. Hits a lot and doesn’t shy away from the rough stuff. Got in a fight in his top prospects game. I think it was against Kerby Rychel but I’m not positive.

    It was against Nurse! haha

  73. oilersfan says:

    David

    I think the argument to trade this years first round pick for Ehrhoff is that the pick , if it is between 5-10 , will likely take 3-5 years to have an impact on the team. The Oilers’ window is now and for the length of Hall, RNH and Eberle’;s contract. This team has 7 years to get to the playoffs and look like a contender so those players will re-sign. If those players re-sign the window of excellence could last 12-15 more years from now.

    Ehrhoff is 31 now, and if you compare him to Brian Campbell or Dan Boyle he could still be an excellent player until he is 36, which is 5 more years. In 3-5 years players like Nurse and Klefbom should be excellent and Ehrhoff will be less important, and could be traded for whatever the Oilers need at that point.

    I am all for trading the pick and N Schultz (to match up the cap hits) to get someone of that ilk.

    I think Buffalo would do it. I think the Oilers would do it. Not sure if Ehrhoff would waive the ntc though.

  74. bookje says:

    The importance of tonight’s game cannot be overstated (though I plan to do just that).

    It’s Unicorns or Glue Horses – either the Oilers come out and play very competitively against the Hawks (win or lose) or they come out full of arrogance and sloth accumulated from their grand 3-game winning streak which proved to them just how awesome they are.

    Did they learn the lesson that hard work and discipline are the key to success or did a few easy enable them to return to patheticness.

    We will see.

    I am hoping for the best, I am hoping for unicorns.

  75. G Money says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Sucks about Arco, though.

    icecastles: I’m constantly baffled by how many coaches and GMs still want goons in their lineups, often at the expense of superior hockey players.

    Jonathan with an article up at ON (http://oilersnation.com/2013/11/25/the-edmonton-oilers-forwards-and-the-possession-war), and one of the notable points is how badly the fourth line is getting lit up.

    What’s saving them is an off the charts PDO – which means that even as they’ve been getting lit up for shots, they haven’t been getting lit up for goals.

    This allows the coach to maintain the internal fiction that the fourth line is helping.

    But it will change. That PDO will sink back to earth and the fourth line will get burned badly. (The only saving grace is that we can expect Joensuu with a PDO of 84.4 to look a little better, not worse).

    I hope it doesn’t cost us a game when this happens, but that is when we’ll see Arco back in the lineup, hopefully subbing for Acton.

  76. bookje says:

    icecastles: arty loyalties and political leaning, that’s Buchberger

    Have you seen the alternatives in her party? When Redford was elected, my thoughts were ‘good luck’. I have never seen a broader collection of inept and ill suited individuals as MLAs in my life. How I wish this province could have just one effective political party.

    With that said, this win gives Redford the opportunity to ditch some of the worst idiots – I expect Lukaszuk to get his walking papers soon (maybe he will move to minister of tweeting or something). Redford gave him his rope and he successfully hung himself by it so she can shift him off and hopefully put someone moderately competent in that role.

    Go Oilers.

  77. rogue says:

    David,

    I am not talking about a 33 and up player. 27-30 age. And 1 player does not make or break your system. The Oil are Knee Deep in the D area and drafting another is redundant at this point. And up front, In 3-5 years our core will still be under 30.

    As a matter of fact, MacT kicked the tires hard on the Nurse pick of last year.

  78. G Money says:

    bookje: either the Oilers come out and play very competitively against the Hawks (win or lose) or they come out full of arrogance and sloth

    That’s really the key. There is no shame in losing to the Hawks if you put in an honest effort. Even the most unicornically-hopeful don’t believe this team is a contender.

    I think it’s fair to say that all we want is for them to play hard, play smart, and utilize their considerable talent.

  79. icecastles says:

    bookje: Redford gave him his rope and he successfully hung himself by it so she can shift him off and hopefully put someone moderately competent in that role.

    Perhaps she can send him down to free a roster spot and he’ll get claimed off waivers, giving them some cap space. Then she can sign a decent free agent backbencher to shore up the cabinet’s fourth line.

    …wait…

  80. godot10 says:

    Soup Fascist:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I think that if the Oilers pro scouting group – such as they are – believe there is still a player there, the $5.5 mil cap hit is a risk worth taking.Look at the numbers for a 23 year old Zdeno Chara, playing on a similarly bad club on the Island.It is now laughable to think the Senators traded a then 28 year old Chara to Boston because they thought of Redden, Phillips and Chara, the latter was the most expendable.The moral – young D-men take time.

    Chara went to Boston as a UFA. He was not traded there. Muckler desparately wanted to sign him. But Chara wouldn’t give him a number, nor term, which told Muckler that there was no number, and no term that would satisfy him in Ottawa. He was leaving. So Muckler signed Redden instead.

    Muckler never got a firm contract demand from Chara. i.e. I want this much money for this long. If Muckler had gotten one, Muckler would have agreed to it.

  81. Soup Fascist says:

    godot10,

    I obviously “misremembered”. It was in fact free agency. Thank you sir.

  82. godot10 says:

    The Oilers are almost certainly picking in the top 5. The next Shea Weber (or at least Seabrook) is sitting there (Eckblad) OR an eventual Gagner replacement as 2nd line centre.

    It would be nuts to trade that for another aging 30-something year old D.

    The maximum value of that pick will come at the draft. If Eckblad or a centre is not available, then trade it.

    You don’t trade it now. Ehrhoff will do exactly what? Move the Oilers from 29th to 26th?

    The Oilers are still in the Western Conference, and they’ve played more eastern games than any other Western Conference team. It will be extremely difficult for the OIlers to get out of the top 5.

    Because of Nurse, it makes more sense to trade Klefbom than the 2014 1st (Eckblad), if you really want to deal for Ehrhoff.

    Nurse and Eckblad…now that is a top pairing which would set a franchise up for a decade.

  83. oilersfan says:

    Godot

    If the Oilers don’t pick top 2, the pick won’t make the team for 5 years.

    How many 18 and 19 year players can you have on the team at the same time?

    Are you advocating for Nurse, Eklbad and Klefbom to play at the same time as rookies?

    What do you think the chances are Hall stays in 6 years at the peak of his career knowing the team sucked on purpose for 2 more years when they could have brought in a legitimate top pairing dman ?

    I think most dmen are better between 30-35 than they are between 20-25, so in terms of when the OIlers’ window is, yes, I make that trade.

    Corey Pronman says Nurse is a better player than Ekblad anyways.

  84. slopitch says:

    Id have no problems moving the pick for an Erhoff calibre defender. I’ve watched this team wander around aimlessly for 6 years. The pick is more likely to be Pajarvi then Stamkos especially if they have actually turned the corner this past week. Even if its Klefbom who I consider a good pick, we are talking 3 years before they can play and 4-5 before they are much above replacement level. The last time the team had a hole this glaring was in 2006 when they needed a goalie. I get that the situations are different but Roloson was worth the 1st regardless of who Minnesota drafted. Its a gamble and at this point, the Oilers need proven over another long term development project.

  85. Woodguy says:

    godot10,

    The Oilers are almost certainly picking in the top 5. The next Shea Weber (or at least Seabrook) is sitting there (Eckblad) OR an eventual Gagner replacement as 2nd line centre.

    Great!

    So he’ll be ready for a 3rd pairing role in 3 years and maybe first pairing in 5 years.

    Just in time to sell off Eberle and Hall for draft picks!!!

    Yay!

    You don’t trade it now. Ehrhoff will do exactly what? Move the Oilers from 29th to 26th?

    I’ll’ bet you they finish higher than 26th even without another Dman. Terms?

    Because of Nurse, it makes more sense to trade Klefbom than the 2014 1st (Eckblad), if you really want to deal for Ehrhoff.

    Let’s count the asumptions in that statement:

    1) Eckblad is available when the Oilers pick
    2) Ecklad actually develops to where your best guess is
    3) Eckblad doesn’t sustain any serious injuury between now 3 years from now, derailing his career.

    That’s a ridiculously thin bet.

    3 years ago the next Weber was Gubranson.

    Struggling mightily in 3rd pairing for FLA. Next D off the boards was McIlraith, still yet to play a NHL game.

    Nurse and Eckblad…now that is a top pairing which would set a franchise up for a decade.

    The Oilers have the F to start competing now.

    Now.

    Not 3 to 5 years from now.

    Now.

  86. denny33 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    “Capitals GM George McPhee has since acknowledged Erat’s trade request, which was initially made at the beginning of the season.
    McPhee told the Washington Post he would not consider eating up any of Erat’s salary in a trade.”
    That’s interesting… looks like it’s been out there for a while and finally hit the press as Erat is trying to force the issue.

    **********************************************************************

    Example #190 of trade deadline desperate GM moves – George gave up
    Filip Forsberg last year for Erat. ( & Latta )

    Even many GM’s were shocked at the price paid by McPhee……

    Shocking price paid…..

  87. oilersfan says:

    woodguy

    actually, according to Jim Matheson the next Shea Weber was Duncan Siemens.

    Pretty sure that hasn’t turned out.

    And the next Scott Niedermayer is Ryan Murray.

    And the next Chris Pronger is Victor Hedman.

    Those last two aren’t bad but they aren’t franchise dmen. Hedman was drafted 4 years ago and is only now looking to be top pairing.

    By then Hall might have asked to be traded.

  88. Woodguy says:

    godot10: Chara went to Boston as a UFA.He was not traded there.Muckler desparately wanted to sign him.But Chara wouldn’t give him a number, nor term, which told Muckler that there was no number, and no term that would satisfy him in Ottawa.He was leaving.So Muckler signed Redden instead.

    Muckler never got a firm contract demand from Chara.i.e. I want this much money for this long.If Muckler had gotten one, Muckler would have agreed to it.

    That’s not the story I heard.

    Muckler only had enough money to bet on 1 Dman.

    OTT bet on Redden because he was the better skated, and actually was the better player at the time.

    They were concerned that the post-lockout NHL would be too fast and large men like Chara wouldn’t have the advantage they did before the lockout (see: Derian Asshat Hatcher for example)

    Turns out that Muckler bet wrong, but it was a reasonable bet.

  89. godot10 says:

    Woodguy: That’s not the story I heard.

    Muckler only had enough money to bet on 1 Dman.

    OTT bet on Redden because he was the better skated, and actually was the better player at the time.

    They were concerned that the post-lockout NHL would be too fast and large men like Chara wouldn’t have the advantage they did before the lockout (see: Derian Asshat Hatcher for example)

    Turns out that Muckler bet wrong, but it was a reasonable bet.

    I was in Ottawa during that time. Muckler was negotiating primarily with Chara…actually primarily with himself, because Chara wouldn’t give him a salary and a duration which would satisfy him.

    Muckler only made a firm demand to Redden only once it was clear Chara was headed to UFA status.

    Chara was always the first priority. But if the guy won’t give you even a ridiculous number, well then he’s leaving. Chara wouldn’t give Muckler a damn number.

  90. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I don’t know why you are all so worked up about Ekblad, his value and development time, Draisaitl will be playing with the Oil next year.

    4 points the other night +3.

  91. icecastles says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: 4 points the other night +3

    His offense with Drai up.

  92. Numenius says:

    oilersfan:
    David

    I think the argument to trade this years first round pick for Ehrhoff is that the pick , if it is between 5-10 , will likely take 3-5 years to have an impact on the team. The Oilers’ window is now and for the length of Hall, RNH and Eberle’;s contract. This team has 7 years to get to the playoffs and look like a contender so those players will re-sign. If those players re-sign the window of excellence could last 12-15 more years from now.

    Ehrhoff is 31 now, and if you compare him to Brian Campbell or Dan Boyle he could still be an excellent player until he is 36, which is 5 more years. In 3-5 years players like Nurse and Klefbom should be excellent and Ehrhoff will be less important, and could be traded for whatever the Oilers need at that point.

    I am all for trading the pick and N Schultz(to match up the cap hits) to get someone of that ilk.

    I think Buffalo would do it. I think the Oilers would do it. Not sure if Ehrhoff would waive the ntc though.

    Yes. Yes. Yes. Trading 2014′s 1st (+ change) for Ehrhoff is an excellent idea exactly for these reasons. The question is how much more than the 1st it would take.

  93. Henry says:

    Woodguy:
    godot10,

    The Oilers are almost certainly picking in the top 5. The next Shea Weber (or at least Seabrook) is sitting there (Eckblad) OR an eventual Gagner replacement as 2nd line centre.

    Great!

    So he’ll be ready for a 3rd pairing role in 3 years and maybe first pairing in 5 years.

    Just in time to sell off Eberle and Hall for draft picks!!!

    Yay!

    You don’t trade it now. Ehrhoff will do exactly what? Move the Oilers from 29th to 26th?

    I’ll’ bet you they finish higher than 26th even without another Dman. Terms?

    Because of Nurse, it makes more sense to trade Klefbom than the 2014 1st (Eckblad), if you really want to deal for Ehrhoff.

    Let’s count the asumptions in that statement:

    1) Eckblad is available when the Oilers pick
    2) Ecklad actually develops to where your best guess is
    3) Eckblad doesn’t sustain any serious injuury between now 3 years from now, derailing his career.

    That’s a ridiculously thin bet.

    3 years ago the next Weber was Gubranson.

    Struggling mightily in 3rd pairing for FLA.Next D off the boards was McIlraith, still yet to play a NHL game.

    Nurse and Eckblad…now that is a top pairing which would set a franchise up for a decade.

    The Oilers have the F to start competing now.

    Now.

    Not 3 to 5 years from now.

    Now.

    I understand what you and Godot are saying, but is Erhoff really good enough to trade the first? I lived in the Bay Area while he developing in San Jose and I found him to be a good skater, and a very good shot. Wasn’t overly impressed with his defense or his passing.

    Is Erhoff the right guy to play 1D while we wait for Nurse/Klefbom?

    His caphit isn’t a concern now, but the term extends to darn near the end of the decade. If Erhoff goes back to Europe in three years are the Oilers on the hook or is Buffalo under the new CBA?

  94. commonfan14 says:

    Soup Fascist: I think that if the Oilers pro scouting group – such as they are – believe there is still a player there, the $5.5 mil cap hit is a risk worth taking. Look at the numbers for a 23 year old Zdeno Chara, playing on a similarly bad club on the Island.

    I believe LaFontaine has recently brought up this exact comparable in talking about how they aren’t shopping Myers.

    The new GM could always disagree I suppose.

  95. Pablo Aimar says:

    They must absolutely trade this upcoming pick and It should be done at the draft to maximize value. Hopefully they target somebody better than Erhoff.

  96. commonfan14 says:

    Henry: His caphit isn’t a concern now, but the term extends to darn near the end of the decade. If Erhoff goes back to Europe in three years are the Oilers on the hook or is Buffalo under the new CBA?

    The penalty would be on Buffalo, but I don’t know how likely it is to happen.

    I don’t think he can pull a Kovalchuk and retire to go play in Europe if the NHL team wants to fight it. The Devils didn’t want to fight it, so we never saw the test case.

    If he eventually wants to simply be done playing before his deal is up, I’m thinking he and all these guys will come down with “injuries” that will put them on the LTIR through their last years.

  97. justDOit says:

    commonfan14:

    …I’m thinking he and all these guys will come down with “injuries” that will put them on the LTIR through their last years.

    He should WANT to be an Oiler then!

  98. Henry says:

    commonfan14,

    Thanks, I thought it would be on Buffalo too but was unsure how these things were grandfathered.

    Marc Staal’s deal is up at the end of next season. He would likely be cheaper on that basis and given his injury and the likelihood that he will move to Raleigh eventually. I’m not a Del Zotto fan.

  99. nycoil says:

    David: Thanks! What’s your take on Girardi and Staal?

    Girardi to me plays a similar game to a young Jason Smith. He’s an okay skater, okay puck mover, but very physical and plays a low event game. He, like many of the Rangers, struggled early this year, but are playing better now (that monster road trip didn’t help). I think he’s solid, but again, probably not the multi-tool type that MacT/Eakins prefer.

    Staal is more complete in terms of skill-set (second to McDonagh on the Rangers’ blue), but he has had serious concussion issues in the past and, the brothers Staal do seem to be inclined to have a family reunion in Carolina down the road so I’d be leery of trading for him. Don’t see why he’d re-sign with Edmonton when his contract is up.

  100. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy: 3 years ago the next Weber was Gubranson.
    Struggling mightily in 3rd pairing for FLA. Next D off the boards was McIlraith, still yet to play a NHL game.

    Hear, hear.

    We may get lucky with Nurse (I was against it at the time and am in a do-over)… but man… stay the hell away from D in the first round.

    There are a lot of nice Fs to look at if we keep the pick.

  101. nycoil says:

    Great test tonight for the Oilers. Hoping for a good game and a good result. I think the score in our last meeting flattered us a bit and Chicago did play better than we did by a decent amount, but we’re at home and coming off a solid stretch of practices and a modest win streak. Hopefully the young studs will lead us to victory with Hossa out on their side. Kane and Toews have been stepping up their game of late scoring-wise, but would love to see us pull this one out.

  102. nycoil says:

    Woodguy:

    Next D off the boards was McIlraith, still yet to play a NHL game.

    I agree with the premise you are on about trading the 1st rounder for a big improvement on our current and future blueline. However, I do believe McIlrath was considered a big reach by Sather at the time? He was projected to be mid-to-late first round, I think.

    And yes, for every Ekman-Larsson, Doughty, or McDonagh, you get three Larssons, Hedmans, Reinharts. Drafting D very early is tough.

  103. Woodguy says:

    Henry: I understand what you and Godot are saying, but is Erhoff really good enough to trade the first?I lived in the Bay Area while he developing in San Jose and I found him to be a good skater, and a very good shot.Wasn’t overly impressed with his defense or his passing.

    Is Erhoff the right guy to play 1D while we wait for Nurse/Klefbom?

    His caphit isn’t a concern now, but the term extends to darn near the end of the decade.If Erhoff goes back to Europe in three years are the Oilers on the hook or is Buffalo under the new CBA?

    Erhoff’s puck possession stats have been very good on both very good Van teams (where he was 1st pairing) and shitty BUF teams where he is first pairing.

    BUF is on the hook for cap recapture as he played for BUF during the years that his salary exceeded his cap hit.

    His salary is $8MM this year and moves to $4MM next year (which is his cap hit)

    Worst case scenario is that he’s traded here today and the Oilers are on the hook for the portion tat pertains to this year, but it wouldn’t amount to much.

    Here’s Ehrhoff’s Relative Corsi over the last few years:

    2009-2010 VAN 10.6
    2010-2011 VAN 11.5
    2011-2012 BUF 3.9
    2012-2013 BUF 17.8
    2013-2014 BUF 16

    He drives the bus and can make a very good first pass.

  104. Woodguy says:

    nycoil: I agree with the premise you are on about trading the 1st rounder for a big improvement on our current and future blueline. However, I do believe McIlrath was considered a big reach by Sather at the time? He was projected to be mid-to-late first round, I think.

    And yes, for every Ekman-Larsson, Doughty, or McDonagh,you get three Larssons, Hedmans, Reinharts. Drafting D very early is tough.

    I just looked at the top 10 draft picks that year and saw two 2 D.

    Very often the best D in the draft class isn’t the first D taken, who is often the “consensus next great D”

    Dmen are only slightly easier to project than goalies.

  105. Woodguy says:

    godot10: I was in Ottawa during that time.Muckler was negotiating primarily with Chara…actually primarily with himself, because Chara wouldn’t give him a salary and a duration which would satisfy him.

    Muckler only made a firm demand to Redden only once it was clear Chara was headed to UFA status.

    Chara was always the first priority. But if the guy won’t give you even a ridiculous number, well then he’s leaving.Chara wouldn’t give Muckler a damn number.

    I didn’t hear that.

    Interesting if true.

    Apparently part of the reason he signed in BOS was to follow Chiarelli.

    Maybe that was in the cards the whole time?

  106. icecastles says:

    I hate thread-jacking and this link has nothing to do with hockey in any sense whatsoever. But I know there are a number of other people on here interested in finance and economics, and I don’t recall the last time I’ve laughed so hard while reading such lucid and intelligent writing.

    If you read or follow anything to do with finance, 29 Dumb Things Finance People Say is absolutely worth the three minutes or so it takes to read.

    Edit: Actually, it occurs to me that much of this could easily be re-purposed to sports “journalism” and prospect analysis. So there you go. It’s about hockey. Kinda.

  107. Ca$h-Money! says:

    icecastles,

    Fantastic, I enjoyed that immensely. The first item on the list has a small amount of value, the rest is entirely ridiculous.

    Similar items in hockey that bug me:

    1. Describing someone as having “good foot speed”. When you say someone has good speed, I naturally assume you are talking about his feet. I don’t think “by speed, you must mean neck speed, right?”

    2. Describing a “high compete-level”. Attention Louie Debrusk: THE WORD YOU ARE LOOKING FOR IS COMPETITIVENESS

    Thanks again.

  108. Caramel Obvious says:

    Pablo Aimar:
    They must absolutely trade this upcoming pick andIt should be done at the draft to maximize value. Hopefully they target somebody better than Erhoff.

    Getting someone better than Erhoff with the first round pick is impossible. Getting Erhoff with the pick is impossible. The question is how much more than the first round pick does it take to get Ehrhoff. I think it takes the first round pick + Klefbom.

  109. OilClog says:

    11-8 Oilers.

    Oilers send
    This years 1st, Arco, Lander, Omark, Maricin, Labarbera.

    Buffalo sends
    Myers, Ott, Stafford.

    LaLaLaLaaaafontaineee loves skill.. I hope.

    Oilers send
    Hemsky(tear), Stafford, Klefbom, Bunz, pick.

    Montreal sends
    Subban

    Everyone goes apeshit. Matheson retires.

    Not done.

    Oilers send
    Petry(gulp),

    Florida sends
    Matthias

    Belov/Subban
    Ference//Jultz
    Myers/Nurse
    Random.

    They also sign Simpson.

    Upfront

    RNH/Hall/Ebs
    Matthias/Gags/Yak
    Gordon/Smyth/Perron
    Ott/xxx/xxx (whoever is biggest and punches) Ott could plug in anywhere depending on situation.

    It’s not perfect but that’s the way I’d go big.

  110. Lowetide says:

    Caramel Obvious: Getting someone better than Erhoff with the first round pick is impossible.Getting Erhoff with the pick is impossible.The question is how much more than the first round pick does it take to get Ehrhoff.I think it takes the first round pick + Klefbom.

    I think the Oilers would love to get Ehrhoff but the value of that first round pick is extreme. Klefbom included would be very rich imo, but an overpay is likely based on what we know. Lose the battle, win the war?

  111. Caramel Obvious says:

    Lowetide,

    I agree it’s a high price and I’m not sure I’d want to pay it myself. However, I think that’s the price from Buffalo’s perspective. I don’t see why they’d be motivated to sell Erhoff for less. You still need good players and if you do trade your best player you only get one shot to make it count.

  112. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Caramel Obvious: Getting someone better than Erhoff with the first round pick is impossible.Getting Erhoff with the pick is impossible.The question is how much more than the first round pick does it take to get Ehrhoff.I think it takes the first round pick + Klefbom.

    The Jbow trade was 22nd OV and 2 modest prospects.

    A top ten pick, potentially a lottery pick is worth more than that package. Don’t underrate that pick, or overrate what the market is for D.

    (Caveat!!! Jbow was UFA last year, big difference, I know. But I sure hope MacT keeps that trade in mind going forward, or the many Pronger trades)

  113. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: The Jbow trade was 22nd OV and 2 modest prospects.

    A top ten pick, potentially a lottery pick is worth more than that package. Don’t underrate that pick, or overrate what the market is for D.

    (Caveat!!! Jbow was UFA last year, big difference, I know. But I sure hope MacT keeps that trade in mind going forward, or the many Pronger trades)

    What was the Bouwmeester contract compared to Ehrhoff?

  114. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: What was the Bouwmeester contract compared to Ehrhoff?

    Actually I was wrong. He had a year left at the time.

    http://www.capgeek.com/player/817

    Cap Hit: $6,680,000
    Actual Money: $6,600,000 for both years (12-13 and 13-14)

    Signed a new contract (extension) last Summer, 5 years
    Cap Hit: $5,400,000

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=663317

    and this interesting tidbit in the terms of the trade:

    “The Flames will receive the Blues’ 2013 first-round pick if St. Louis qualifies for the 2013 Stanley Cup Playoffs. If the Blues miss the playoffs, the Flames instead will receive a 2013 fourth-round pick from the Blues and their 2014 first-round selection.”

    They qualified so they got the 22nd OV.

  115. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    So, JBow wasn’t under contract as long (one full season and a partial), so the team was exposed to him potentially leaving (though since he gave Feaster a list of teams he’d like to be traded to, the chance of re-signing was probably high in this case) and he had a higher cap hit.

    Mind you, he is marginally younger (30), did sign an extension at a pretty good cap hit:

    5.4M through until he is 36 isn’t that bad and is probably comparable to Erhoff’s current contract in terms of desirability and cap management.

  116. maudite says:

    4th line likely good for a GA tonight. Hopefully our 1st and second saw off (no hossa huzzah!) and out third line and ST out duels theirs to make up difference.

  117. maudite says:

    Go one step further. Sharp puts in a goal when the hawks manage to get him out on a line against our 4th

  118. prairieschooner says:

    Based on what we know Dubnyk is the Oilers number 1 goalie
    Brygalov has not played an NHL game in 8 months and his % is about the same as DD

    Last season DD was around 12th best in save %
    To trade DD and get better than 12th best will be tough to do
    Taking a chance that Bryzgalov would sign if we asked is potentially going to paint the Oilers into the corner of a very expensive room.

  119. David says:

    The mind set of the oilers have a 5 or 6 or 7 year window to win is folly. I don’t want the Oilers to have a 7 year window. I want them to have an infinite window. We were shopping the pick last year and couldn’t close a deal and now it looks like we landed ourselves a top pairing defencemen for free. Yes a player taken at 10 ish overall won’t be around for 3-5 years but when he comes in he’ll be damn good and he’ll be with us for the next 10 or more years. We want a team that can win the cup once the first overalls have moved on. And on that note I don’t think it’s likely we lose more than one or two of the fantastic four once these current deals are up.

  120. boxman says:

    David,
    You are right on the money David…..and I’m no spring chicken.

  121. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    prairieschooner:
    Based on what we know Dubnyk is the Oilers number 1 goalie
    Brygalov has not played an NHL game in 8 months and his % is about the same as DD

    Last season DD was around 12th best in save %
    To trade DD and get betterthan 12th best will be tough to do
    Taking a chancethat Bryzgalov would sign if we asked is potentially going to paint the Oilers into the corner of a very expensiveroom.

    It looks very likely that DD simply has sideburns to mgt. In that case, flipping him at the deadline is a much better option than simply losing him to free agency.

    At any rate, I don’t think the idea is to give Bryz the job going forward. MacT said he liked the list of UFA Gs recently and he’s been very vocal about chasing Euro and College free agents… I’m betting we’ll see an entirely new goaltending staff with the NHL club next year.

    Out of Dubnyk, Bryz, Labarbera and Bachman I wouldn’t be surprised to see Bachman as the only returnee if any.

  122. fifthcartel says:

    Looks like Bunz to Bakersfield and Brossoit splits with LaBarbera. Not sure how I feel about Brossoit starting his pro career in the AHL…

  123. Lois Lowe says:

    Brossoit is also starting his pro career with an organization who is VERY familiar with him. He’ll be fine, Larbarbara is a great mentor to have.

  124. Lowetide says:

    fifthcartel:
    Looks like Bunz to Bakersfield and Brossoit splits with LaBarbera. Not sure how I feel about Brossoit starting his pro career in the AHL…

    I’ve said this before, and it’s true—ALL of the guys MacT acquires are ahead of the other people. ALL of them.

  125. Old School G says:

    After hearing the Ales Hemsky to Ottawa rumblings a few players that I’m wondering about are Colin Greening, Derek Grant, and Patrick Wiercioch. Grant and Wiercoch are down Ottawa’s depth chart as prospects but by the numbers Wiercioch could be right at his developmental sweet spot as a defenceman, he could be really good, he’s big, projecting as a big minute guy. Derek Grant would be another depth C, his Hockey News Profile mentions grit and determination as assets, you can never have enough of those players in the system, looks to be a bottom 6 upgrade. Colin Greening would assume the role as the replacement to our beloved and still missed Fernando Pisani. All of these guys bring some grit with them, always good to have more of that in the lineup over here in the West.

  126. VanOil says:

    David:
    The mind set of the oilers have a 5 or 6 or 7 year window to win is folly.

    I disagree and since it was not on IceCastles list I will use the concept of Theta to do so.

    The concept roughly is the value of an option decays over time. Our option (rights) on our current stars is roughly 7 years. Those options are unlikely to be renewed if we don’t play winning hockey. Suggesting that we trade uncertain future money to aide in winning now, thus keeping our Money players longer than 7 years is hardly folly. It is sound investing.

  127. VanOil says:

    No 5 bell chance against in the first minute. Unicorns.

  128. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Yak stocked up on bobble the puck and stick pills tonight!

  129. Lowetide says:

    Well, the early portion of the game was fine, the shorty unfortunate but shit happens and they’ve been wobbly since.

  130. VanOil says:

    Lowetide:
    shit happens and they’ve been wobbly since.

    And it gets stinky-er

  131. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Yak is a wreck out there.
    5 forward pp doesn’t seem like a great idea versus the hawks pkers

  132. D says:

    I wonder if we see Bryz in net sometime tonight?

  133. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Replay on the hawk pp goal shows a hawk kneeling on DD’s back. I’ve always thought DD needs to be more vocal with the down low officials. He seems to get interfered with a lot.

  134. OilLeak says:

    This team can’t compete with the best teams in the league, not even close.

  135. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    At home… why not put Acton, Gazdic and Joensuu out against Kane… right?

  136. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Yak’s dman gets a free walk down main street.

  137. D says:

    Good shift by Yak on that last possession.

  138. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Eakins going back to the Acton et al vs. Kane matchup… it’s just working so damn well!

  139. Masamax says:

    So is Eakins trying to give the fourth line some PK experience by putting them out against Kane et al?

  140. Lois Lowe says:

    I have counted two shifts where the Oilers had the 4L against Chicago’s 1L. You’re gonna have a bed time…

  141. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Is that twice in 1 period for the 3 guys we call a 4th line vs Kane?
    Fin penalties

  142. gcw_rocks says:

    I would be comfortable trading Dubnyk if the Oilers had pried Fredrick Andersen or John Gibson out of Anaheim. Sign a veteran back up next summer and see what one of those kids can do. If this team is going to make every move as a long shot pollyanna bet, might as well bet on finding a top goalie.

  143. jake70 says:

    That shorty just seemed to set the tone.

  144. Lowetide says:

    Shots 12-6, but Hawks seemed to get a bunch on the PP to my eye.

  145. Lowetide says:

    7-9 5×5 CF% according to Extra skater. Looks right to me.

  146. Gret99zky says:

    Hawks seem to have brought their textbooks to the game and plan on schooling the young Oil tonight.

  147. D says:

    I was actually pretty happy with the Oilers in this first period. Yes Chicago schooled them, but Chicago really brought their A Game. Yak had some hustle, especially after that first goal. The Oilers can still win this game.

  148. Lois Lowe says:

    That was a terrible penalty call.

  149. Alsker says:

    Ok we weren’t dominated like in Philly, but down 2, do you bring in Bryz for a spark and a non-pressure game infront of our home crowd?

  150. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I’m pretty sure “not hitting Toews” is the last thing I’d point to about what went wrong in that period… but then, that’s why I’m not analyzing hockey on TV.

  151. Lowetide says:

    well, that’s some crazy bad luck there. Lordy. 3-0 bad people.

  152. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    The “Golden Hand” of Potter?

  153. Rebilled says:

    It’s gonna be one of those games for #40.

  154. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Obvious pick on Eberle not called. That’s something the Oilers don’t do enough of – running interference. Rarely gets called. Canucks live off it

  155. PREDICKTER says:

    Looks like the unicorns are wearing Blackhawk jerseys. I don’t drink often but when I do, I drink ALOT.

  156. Gret99zky says:

    Eakins is going to be much less itchy tomorrow.

  157. VanOil says:

    The Glue Horses are Galloping.

    The Murdoch Mysteries ~ Republic of Doyle CBC cross-over special is looking more and more appealing. How bad/improbable could a Canadian made Victorian era Newfoundland paint by numbers procedural be? Unicorn Oiler bad/improbable?

  158. Gret99zky says:

    Not.

    Even.

    Close.

  159. Lowetide says:

    Are we feeling a Bryz?

  160. D says:

    D:
    I wonder if we see Bryz in net sometime tonight?

    Looks like I got my answer.

  161. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Hockey is fun.

  162. D says:

    Why is Bryz still wearing an all white mask? Guess he feels he’s a short timer?

  163. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    VanOil:
    The Glue Horses are Galloping.

    The Murdoch Mysteries ~ Republic of Doyle CBC cross-over special is looking more and more appealing. How bad/improbable could a Canadian made Victorian era Newfoundland paint by numbers procedural be? Unicorn Oiler bad/improbable?

    Don’t contribute to CBC’s false sense of quality production.

  164. SK Oiler Fan says:

    great work by hall down low

  165. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Schuuler!!

  166. bookje says:

    Earlier I said this:

    The importance of tonight’s game cannot be overstated (though I plan to do just that).
    It’s Unicorns or Glue Horses – either the Oilers come out and play very competitively against the Hawks (win or lose) or they come out full of arrogance and sloth accumulated from their grand 3-game winning streak which proved to them just how awesome they are.
    Did they learn the lesson that hard work and discipline are the key to success or did a few easy enable them to return to patheticness.
    We will see.
    I am hoping for the best, I am hoping for unicorns.

    Unicorns don’t exist. These guys got full of themselves and partied for three days. I think I am done with them.

    Oh wait – goal by Shultz – damn…

  167. D says:

    Seeing eye shot there.

  168. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Anyone else thinking Harti might have been the better bet?

    6 looks terrible.

  169. Lowetide says:

    J Schultz (Nugent-Hopkins, Hall)

  170. D says:

    Great sequence there.

  171. VanOil says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Don’t contribute to CBC’s false sense of quality production.

    If Eakins continues to play #20 I might have to, it can’t be as bad as watching him play hockey when he is not face punching.

  172. SK Oiler Fan says:

    I’d like the original Joensu back. This one is broken

  173. D says:

    Call me delusional, but I still feel the Oil can win this game. Also notice how their game changed as soon as Bryz was put in net.

  174. D says:

    Dubnyk would have let that point shot in.

  175. Alsker says:

    Anyone else get the feeling that Bryz is a real NHL goaltender. Seeing him between the pipes brings back memories of Rollie/Cujo/Coco. Weird!!

  176. sliderule says:

    Someone has to pay for all these stinkers at home.

    Poor play you can condone lack of effort like tonite means big changes have to come..

  177. D says:

    Alsker:
    Anyone else get the feeling that Bryz is a real NHL goaltender.Seeing him between the pipes brings back memories of Rollie/Cujo/Coco.Weird!!

    It’s easy, put Dubnyk in net against the Florida’s, Columbus’ and Calgary’s, and put Bryz in for the rest.

  178. D says:

    Can we please trade Gagner ASAP?

  179. russ99 says:

    Nice to see Schultz’s sick wrister make an appearance.

    Bryz just gives off a whole different vibe back there.

  180. icecastles says:

    SK Oiler Fan: I’d like the original Joensu back. This one is broken

    I think we’re seeing the ‘original’ Jeonsu now. The one we saw in the preseason was the ultimate saw him good with an infinitesimal sample size.

  181. Rebilled says:

    Why don’t their dmen throw the puck in their own net already? That

  182. Rebilled says:

    *could only happen to DD*

  183. icecastles says:

    D: Can we please trade Gagner ASAP?

    Come on, Gagner is our new Hemsky – does cool looking things with just enough frequency that normally rational people will ignore all statistical evidence and wax poetic about him, awaiting and promising his ‘breakout season’ every season until he’s 34.

  184. Southern Oil says:

    icecastles: I think we’re seeing the ‘original’ Jeonsu now. The one we saw in the preseason was the ultimate saw him good with an infinitesimal sample size.

    The 4th line is horrible. Hopefully Arcobello can draw back in next game at the very least. That should make a little bit of a difference.

  185. SK Oiler Fan says:

    icecastles,

    He was skating ok before injury, now he’s a glacier. Bad back’s are a bitch.

  186. russ99 says:

    icecastles,

    If you can just get over that he’ll never be a 6’4″ physical 2-way center, then Gagner fits in just fine

    If we had a shutdown line, you could keep feeding Gagner’s line soft minutes, and be happy with the results.

  187. icecastles says:

    russ99: Bryz just gives off a whole different vibe back there.

    Right from that initial kick save, it’s fascinating to see how different a style he plays than Dubnyk.

    40 collapses, drops, or folds in on himself so quickly. As a tall goalie, I can relate to that – if your five hole is twice as wide as a small man’s, it takes milliseconds longer to close it so you start to jump the gun. With gangly arms and legs, you’re so aware of the gaping holes between limbs that you overcompensate and close in, drop early, etc.

    A lot of tall guys end up becoming very reactionary goalies for these reasons and unless they’re phenomenally athletic and gifted at reading plays, it kills them. This was Jeff Deslaurier’s biggest problem as well, to my eye all reaction and athleticism, which means he is literally racing the puck on many shots. Not smart on a 100mph slapshot.

  188. russ99 says:

    Southern Oil,

    I just can’t wrap my head around this strategy by Eakins. What other team plays the 4th line so much, and does anyone give them as many offensive zone starts.? It’s just wasting chances in the offensive zone.

    If they go with less minutes and use Arcobello, Omark and Joensuu, and I’d be happier.

  189. russ99 says:

    icecastles,

    Great points.

    Bryzgalov is so much more reactive to the puck, it’s ridiculous. Why wait for a shot when you can break up the play?

    May come back to burn us a few times when he’s out of position, but I like it.

  190. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    russ99: What other team plays the 4th line so much, and does anyone give them as many offensive zone starts.?

    If you are going to play them… that is the place… as far from your own end as possible.

  191. Southern Oil says:

    russ99:
    Southern Oil,

    I just can’t wrap my head around this strategy by Eakins. What other team plays the 4th line so much, and does anyone give them as many offensive zone starts.? It’s just wasting chances in the offensive zone.

    If they go with less minutes and use Arcobello, Omark and Joensuu, and I’d be happier.

    I don’t think Omark is a 4th line player but at this point I’d like to try it. What do we have to lose? He gives up some chances? Shit the current version does that in spades. We keep talking about 3 scoring lines & unicorns, hell let’s try for 4 scoring lines & Buddha, Jesus and the rest.

  192. Alsker says:

    D:
    Can we please trade Gagner ASAP?

    I like you’re ideas!!! To bad I doubt any team needs a 2nd line floater @ 4.8M/yr. Still can’t understand why the extension and the NMC was added to it. Sorry Gags lovers but you have to choose RNH or Gags…we need an Ott type 2nd line center…ok MacT get it done..

  193. icecastles says:

    SK Oiler Fan: He was skating ok before injury

    True, but he has always been streaky in the extreme (as thrilling as his 8-point game was in 2011, that season was absolutely awful without that one game), and he has never showed much improvement in his defensive skills. He’s good, but he’s far, far, far from great. I like a lot of things about his game. he is passionate, stands up for himself and his teammates, and he has great hands.

    To me, Gags’ offensive positives and defensive negatives are like driving with one flat tire. Sure the other three are super great tires, but would you really drive across the country telling yourself that 75% is still a pass? That flat tire is (forgive the pun) a pretty big drag on the other three.

    Yes, he’s struggled since the injury. But I feel pinning his shortcomings on that is somewhat revisionist history. He’s in his seventh season now. The Gagner we see (injury recovery excepted) is the Gagner we are likely to see for the bulk of his career.

    We have a weird habit of falling in love with average players here and finding unending narratives as to what’s holding them back. Some guys just don’t turn out to be everything we’d hoped. With Hemsky, the popular narrative for years was that he just didn’t have the right line mates and if he had them, he’d be a superstar. I can’t even count how many guys went through this team with the hope of igniting Hemsky, and instead we saw them marvel at his superstar skill of putting them offside and making cool dangles until he eventually lost the puck.

    Edit: Going to duck and cover now, as I think I’ve pretty much guaranteed the long knives are about to come out for me.

  194. D says:

    icecastles: Come on, Gagner is our new Hemsky – does cool looking things with just enough frequency that normally rational people will ignore all statistical evidence and wax poetic about him, awaiting and promising his ‘breakout season’ every season until he’s 34.

    This made me laugh. Good stuff!

  195. D says:

    Alsker: I like you’re ideas!!!To bad I doubt any team needs a 2nd line floater @ 4.8M/yr.Still can’t understand why the extension and the NMC was added to it.Sorry Gags lovers but you have to choose RNH or Gags…we need an Ott type 2nd line center…ok MacT get it done..

    Agreed. We know where Gagner sits after all these years.

  196. Southern Oil says:

    Can I just say that give away by Smyth was terrible.

  197. Lowetide says:

    I think this game is about playing a very good Chicago team more than Dubnyk being a bad goalie and Gagner being a waste of skin.

    That said, carry on with the lynching.

  198. fuzzy muppet says:

    SK Oiler Fan:
    Obvious pick on Eberle not called. That’s something the Oilers don’t do enough of – running interference. Rarely gets called. Canucks live off it

    That 3rd goal was the drect result of that. It was one of the more blantant interference plays I’ve seen this season. I was screaming at the TV and the wife was asking what the big deal was. Then the puck was in the net and I said THATS the big deal. You could smell it comin

  199. Southern Oil says:

    Lowetide:
    I think this game is about playing a very good Chicago team more than Dubnyk being a bad goalie and Gagner being a waste of skin.

    That said, carry on with the lynching.

    Oh please! Potter gloving the puck in the net was completely Dubnyk’s fault.

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