OILERS AT BLACKHAWKS G19, 13-14

The Oilers are 1-2 on the road trip, and after a grievous performance in Philadelphia (another low ebb, incredibly) the club hits Chi-town wobbly, inert and indifferent. This hockey club is in trouble.

wood says assI don’t know about any lineup changes, but there were some passengers yesterday so Eakins will probably get a lot better effort (the crew didn’t exactly leave it all out there yesterday afternoon). I’m of two minds on this: first, this is going to be a long season and the Smid trade drives home the reality of a season lost. The club still doesn’t have enough NHL players and balance (sweet, sweet balance) and Dallas Eakins system appears to be written in Sanskrit based on the amount of time it’s taking to figure things out. So, it’s a failure of management, coaching and personnel that gets us here.

Second, we’re seeing some terrible things now. Taylor Hall was stunningly bad on coverage for the second goal, and then heard that damn dog whistle later in the game during a moment when the puck’s possession was still in doubt. He should have been the guy retrieving the puck on the play, or at the very least supporting, but buddy was going jailbreak ala Robert Nilsson. Ghastly. As you know, I’m onside with Taylor Hall’s skills all day, and have never doubted his buy-in about being the alpha and a leader, so his lollygagging is an extremely bad sign. I may have misread the play, and maybe he was confused, but that’s the kind of action that starts creeping into the game when players have absolutely tuned out the coach. Whoever brought that GD dog whistle into the Oilers game needs to be shot and pissed upon.

st marieWe’ve talked a lot in the last couple of days about ‘another shoe to drop’ after Smid’s exit and Bryzgalov’s signing. I think the Oilers would be open to a deal but it has to make sense, and if they wait the return may be greater. Ales Hemsky is the asset in play, I don’t think there can be any doubt at this point. The Oilers will have received offers for Eberle and Yakupov, but trading either doesn’t make any real sense–even if you’re getting 100 cents on the dollar. The future promised includes both in the script, and it is pure nonsense to entertain offers that don’t include players who can have greater impact (Subban, etc) and are of a similar age. Those trades rarely happen, because they’re insane.

The Hemsky trade could come at any time, the money moved this weekend probably sets that up. Now it’s a matter of how much overpay is required for the dollars Edmonton will keep from the Hemsky contract. That would probably come in the form of a pick, but this is just guessing.

bill-white-325That’s Bill White playing for the Blackhawks 40 years ago, with a helmeted Guy Lafleur in pursuit. White arrived in the NHL as a fully formed being–he was stuck in the minors during the pre-expansion era and didn’t play in the big leagues until 28. Once there, White was a brilliant player for Los Angeles and Chicago through the mid-70′s (he would coach the Hawks for a time, then coach in the OHA–Charlie Huddy played for him on a very good Oshawa Generals team 1977-78), using his lanky frame and passing ability to impact the game.

Anton Belov’s arrival in Edmonton should be considered a wonderful gift, and the Oilers can’t let him get away (it happens, Jan Hejda flew the coop before they could get him under contract–in fact, as I recall, the Oilers were indifferent about Hejda–allowing Columbus to swoop in). With Ladislav Smid’s being sent away, next year’s opening night blue (with Belov and rfa’s signed) might look like this:

  1. Belov-Petry
  2. Ference-J Schultz

And then Larsen, Fedun etc along with prospects Nurse, Klefbom et al. Keeping Belov has suddenly become very important. And getting a true No. 1 blue is of course vital.

mikita5In my lifetime, Chicago has been strong several times, but not like they are today. The current Hawks are SO strong they were able to discard Kris Versteeg, Andrew Ladd, Dustin Byfuglien, Brian Campbell, and others when a large number of bonus dollars were added after the 2010 Stanley win. One true thing about Chicago’s run from 2009 through today is their ability to maintain strength up the middle while also adjusting the deck chairs.

  • 2009-10 centers: Jonathan Toews, John Madden, Patrick Sharp, Dave Bolland, Colin Fraser
  • 2010-11 centers:  Jonathan Toews, Dave Bolland, Jake Dowell, Patrick Sharp, Ryan Johnson
  • 2011-12 centers: Jonathan Toews, Dave Bolland, Marcus Kruger, Patrick Kane, Jamal Mayers, Patrick Sharp
  • 2012-13 centers: Jonathan Toews, Dave Bolland, Marcus Kruger, Andrew Shaw
  • 2013-14 centers: Jonathan Toews, Marcus Kruger, Andrew Shaw, Brandon Pirri, Michael Handzus

That’s some first class adlibbing there, and a nice bit of drafting (especially on Shaw). Now, Toews at the top of the list obviously has a lot to do with their success, but if you look at how they’ve managed to replace Madden and then Bolland (and move Sharp to wing) it’s a solid bit of management/coaching. It should be noted that Shaw, Kruger and Pirri were all drafted after Edmonton selected Lander and all have arrived as NHL players before him.

By comparison, the Oilers have been MORE stable (certainly since 2011 fall) but the results haven’t been there. Why? One reason is youth–the Nuge is a wonderful player but he’s been facing older players and there are times (like yesterday) when he gets manhandled. Gagner doesn’t have the range of skills that a Bolland possesses, and the club did add Boyd Gordon but subtracted Shawn Horcoff this past summer.

When we talk about the situation at center, it’s always a ‘big, 2-way C’ coming in, but for me I’d prefer a ‘veteran 2-way center’ to come in, size be damned. The Oilers build up the middle needs another center, and if he’s so good that Gagner has to play wing (ala Sharp) so be it. We talked about it all summer, but center is a massive need. Again. Still.

hasekThe goaltending issue in Chicago is stable at the front, party at the back. The club drafted Corey Crawford right after Edmonton selected Colin McDonald back in 2003, and like Devan Dubnyk took some time before establishing himself as an NHL starting goalie. Crawford’s SP over the years is interesting compared to Dubnyk

CRAWFORD-DUBNYK EV SP, BY YEAR

  • 2010-11: .924 to .921 (Crawford with the better number)
  • 2011-12: .915 to .927  (Dubnyk with the better number)
  • 2012-13: .934 to .922 (Crawford with the better number)
  • 2013-14: .933 to .872 (Crawford with the better number)

I’m still onside with Dubnyk as the Oilers goalie of the future, but the Bryzgalov move is understandable. If you’re Craig MacTavish, watching the goals go in early and being patient haven’t paid off so you make a smaller move because a big one may not be needed (if Dubnyk can turn it around). The one thing that has changed? Dubnyk’s no longer the incumbent who has to be clearly beaten to win the No. 1 job–this is open audition time starting now. May the best man win, and I still believe that’s Dubnyk.

Tonight, we may get Khabibulin versus LaBarbera, which is its own kind of crazy.

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  1. RMGS says:

    7:22AM MDT on a Sunday – I commend you, sir, for your commitment to the Edmonton Oilers (a team in the National Hockey League) and their fan base.

  2. Dipstick says:

    Any word on Belov’s expected suspension for the phantom match penalty?

  3. oliveoilers says:

    Dipstick:
    Any word on Belov’s expected suspension for the phantom match penalty?

    I HOPE someone in the NHL just makes this go away and sends a basket of bran muffins to the Oil. That would be common sense. But as somebody, somewhere once said “what the hell does common sense have to do with anything?”

  4. 99thoilerfan says:

    ” This hockey club is in trouble.” Sigh….. not even 20 games into the season….

    “Chicago has been strong several times” … in the current era, new ownership helped…right?

    “Anton Belov’s arrival in Edmonton should be considered a wonderful gift”…. Agreed, hope he sticks!

    Thanks for the early morning read, LT!

  5. lance says:

    While I didn’t support the MacT hiring and certainly not Eakins, I think its critical that MacT comes out very publicly saying that Eakins is the man. These kids needs to adopt the message because no one is going anywhere for the next three years. Come three more 1OV’s or not, this is your coach.

    I think that message very clearly and very soon is very imperative.

  6. Ducey says:

    I was more concerned with Hall’s attempt to make a saucer pass about 2 ft in the air across two defenders on the rush. He was in decent shooting position and had someone coming down the other wing. The play went back the other way for a scoring chance.

    Its like Hemsky puts on a seminar each morning selling the young guys on the benefits of not shooting :)

    The Oilers had a little burst after they scored the first goal. They were shooting from everywhere. I’d like to see more of that.

    Larsen might get a seat in the press box. He struggled a lot yesterday.

  7. Dipstick says:

    oliveoilers,

    Unless they hear something, he has to sit out today. No?

  8. oliveoilers says:

    Dipstick:
    oliveoilers,

    Unless they hear something, he has to sit out today.No?

    Not sure, old stick, but perhaps one of the legal beagles on this fine site can enlighten us?

  9. oliveoilers says:

    Ducey:
    I was more concerned with Hall’s attempt to make a saucer pass about 2 ft in the air across two defenders on the rush.He was in decent shooting position and had someone coming down the other wing.The play went back the other way for a scoring chance.

    Its like Hemsky puts on a seminar each morning selling the young guys on the benefits of not shooting

    The Oilers had a little burst after they scored the first goal.They were shooting from everywhere.I’d like to see more of that.

    Larsen might get a seat in the press box.He struggled a lot yesterday.

    It was Hemskey’s shot from a tight angle that gave a fine 3 on 1 for Philly that Belov bailed us out on. I hate that shot from such an angle. Correction, I hate that shot from such an angle when you don’t hit the net or goalie. Love ‘em when they roof daddy the goalie though. Just love ‘em.

  10. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    “Tonight, we may get Khabibulin versus LaBarbera, which is its own kind of crazy.”

    Clean Up! Aisle 4. An entire shelf of second rate vodka has collapsed

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uQ7iZ4qUWc

  11. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    “That’s some first class adlibbing there, and a nice bit of drafting (especially on Shaw).”

    Imagine if even 2 number of MBS’ 2nd round on forwards panned out?

    C’mon Pitlick!

    Tambo’s directions have seriously harmed this team. MacT’s first year at the draft already looks way more promising.

    It helps a guy like Lander to come into a GOOD FUCKING TEAM in a limited role after playing consistently on the farm. We’ve said this forever, but it’s worth saying again. It’s not just draft day that matters… you have to develop these guys right and then put them in a position to succeed. This damn team is so desperate to unwrap their shiny new toys and put them in the big Bay Window on day one.

  12. bookje says:

    At least last year, it was fun watching Ebs, Hall, and RNH – this year even that is painful. Eakins better win or else we all lose. I’m not convinced that this is a better aproach than Krueger with an x and o associate and some new assistants would have been. It may work out great, but the results thus far have been worrying. With that said, if DD had played average this far, it would be a much better season and he may have had more buy in from the players.

  13. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    “Anton Belov’s arrival in Edmonton should be considered a wonderful gift, and the Oilers can’t let him get away”

    I think we should look at the Smid trade, the TOI and the language on Belov since day one as obvious signs that he is not underrated by the team. MacT and Eakins know what they have and like it a lot.

    I have no idea when MacT sits down with Belov’s agent, but I’m sure he will and will make an honest pitch. In his contracts so far he hasn’t tried to sell players short.

  14. PunkInDrublic says:

    MacT had better pray he can resign Belov or the Smid trade is really going to haunt this team. A 20-52-10 season would convince almost anyone there are greener pastures elsewhere.

  15. Spydyr says:

    @Lowetide

    “I’m still onside with Dubnyk as the Oilers goalie of the future”

    What has to happen before you lose confidence in an Oiler player?
    Dubnyk has even lost confidence in himself but not you in him.
    Not sure if it admirable or a little myopic.

  16. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    lance:
    While I didn’t support the MacT hiring and certainly not Eakins, I think its critical that MacT comes out very publicly saying that Eakins is the man.These kids needs to adopt the message because no one is going anywhere for the next three years.Come three more 1OV’s or not, this is your coach.

    I think that message very clearly and very soon is very imperative.

    That would be for the media and fans.

    LT had the idea (better IMO) that he should wander down to the room and say something like:

    “Look, you’re not getting another coach fired. He’s coaching you the way I want you coached. This isn’t rocket science. It isn’t different from when I played. You have to back check HARD in this league, or you lose. And right now, you lose. Adopt or lose ice time or get traded. Those are your options.”

    Keep it in the room, but let them know the score.

  17. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Ducey: Its like Hemsky puts on a seminar each morning selling the young guys on the benefits of not shooting

    Like most, I’d love to see Hemsky shoot more. He has a better shot than he gives himself credit for.

    But Hemsky in all honesty I could watch him skate for miles in the o-zone and never once lose intense interest. Watching him circle behind the net with speed and breakdown d-coverage looking for one of his linemates to finally wander into a shooting lane is a thing of magic. In this, he is one of the league’s best.

  18. bookje says:

    Spydyr:
    @Lowetide

    “I’m still onside with Dubnyk as the Oilers goalie of the future”

    What has to happen before you lose confidence in an Oiler player?
    Dubnyk has even lost confidence in himself but not you in him.
    Not sure if it admirable or a little myopic.

    Other than every NHL goalie, no real NHL goalie has had a stretch as bad as Dubnyk!

  19. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bohologo:
    Setting aside why I should continue to root for this team, particularly in a season where nothing has gone well, I wonder if Bryzgalov’s agent sees this signing as a no-lose situation: play well, get a good UFA contract. Play not so well, blame the Oilers. Either way, Bryz potentially leverages no job offers in the summerof 2013 to a better contract in 2014.

    Here’s hoping he yields a decent return at the trade deadline, or here’s hoping he prompts Dubnyk to stop the puck.

    Hope dies last.

    “My advice to you is to start drinking heavily.”-John Belushi

    Well… nearly 20 games in… he didn’t have any other options and if he stinks he’ll have the added stink of playing for a loser team.

    I totally though… he’s looking to showcase himself and maybe find his way to a playoff team at the deadline or via UFA signing in the offseason. It’s a pretty good opportunity for him.

  20. Lowetide says:

    Spydyr:
    @Lowetide

    “I’m still onside with Dubnyk as the Oilers goalie of the future”

    What has to happen before you lose confidence in an Oiler player?
    Dubnyk has even lost confidence in himself but not you in him.
    Not sure if it admirable or a little myopic.

    Murder. Definitely murder. If an Oiler murdered a guy, I’d for sure make note of it.

  21. Hammers says:

    The trouble with trading Hemsky is he proves every game that he is an NHL player and we have others Hall among them , who continually make mistakes. Gags for a 7 year vet still doesn’t get it .I’m not exactly liking what Eakins does but you have a point when saying McT needs to say something unless McT has told him his on the clock . Right now this is a shit show and the truth is if the so called young stars don’t start pulling there weight one of them needs to be traded .Hopefully today we see EFFORT .

  22. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: Murder. Definitely murder. If an Oiler murdered a guy, I’d for sure make note of it.

    Hey! Let’s not get all moralistic here. What they do in their private life is their business. ;)

    Ty Cobb thinks you are a pansy

  23. Woodguy says:

    Lots of hard truths in the post today LT.

    The holes are not being filled and when key players regress (or don’t progress) it falls apart quickly.

    The start was great, even if the results weren’t, but they looked just uninterested in yesterday’s hockey game for about 50 minutes of it.

    Also,

    Jon just posted a link to this: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1835016-ranking-the-top-10-nhl-prospects-among-ahl-rookies

    Is that you?

    Writing style is certainly familiar.

  24. Woodguy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: That would be for the media and fans.

    LT had the idea (better IMO) that he should wander down to the room and say something like:

    “Look, you’re not getting another coach fired. He’s coaching you the way I want you coached. This isn’t rocket science. It isn’t different from when I played. You have to back check HARD in this league, or you lose. And right now, you lose. Adopt or lose ice time or get traded. Those are your options.”

    Keep it in the room, but let them know the score.

    Careful about threatening trade.

    I’d guess most would rather play on a better team.

  25. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy: Careful about threatening trade.

    I’d guess most would rather play on a better team.

    “Adopt or lose ice time.”

    amended.

  26. Dipstick says:

    Hammers,

    The only problem with Hemsky is injuries. If the man stays healthy, his contract is a bargain.

  27. Woodguy says:

    re: goalies

    The most ideal situation is that Bryz plays decent and that DD continues to get back to form (he’s gone .903 in his last 8 games. Not there yet but trending up. Covering guys in the slot would help. Yesterday’s game is 8-2 without him making some great saves)

    Then Crawford gets injured right before the playoffs while Khabby continues his .818 and the Oilers get a prospect for Bryz.

    Seriously, what they hell was Bowman thinking in signing Khabby?

    I guess the .923 mirage he posted last year in 12 games fooled more than the media.

  28. Woodguy says:

    Woodguy:
    Lots of hard truths in the post today LT.

    The holes are not being filled and when key players regress (or don’t progress) it falls apart quickly.

    The start was great, even if the results weren’t, but they looked just uninterested in yesterday’s hockey game for about 50 minutes of it.

    Also,

    Jon just posted a link to this: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1835016-ranking-the-top-10-nhl-prospects-among-ahl-rookies

    Is that you?

    Writing style is certainly familiar.

    I supposed I could have just clicked on your name and seen it was you.

    2 blogs (ON and here), a radio gig and sales job just isn’t enough eh?

    You’re amazing sir.

  29. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: I supposed I could have just clicked on your name and seen it was you.

    2 blogs (ON and here), a radio gig and sales job just isn’t enough eh?

    You’re amazing sir.

    Yeah, Bleacher Report and I are trying each other out. It’s not Oiler specfic, which is a challenge, but I’ve enjoyed it so far! The great thing is I can write for them at a specific pace, so there’s no really hurry for the next one.

  30. dsr29 says:

    Ducey,

    How about hemsky shooting on that 3 on 1! Result, wide far side turning into a 3 on 1 the other way! Maybe he shouldn’t shoot.

  31. cabbiesmacker says:

    LT:

    Hawks have some wonderful assets but the main reason for their success is being able to throw a top pairings D on the ice like Keith – Seabrook – Oduya – Hjalmarsson and a fifth of Leddy, who I see as finally beginning to take the step this year.

    C is an issue even though it hasn’t hit them hard so far.

    Tough to be a Hawks fan when you see the names you mentioned + Brouwer leave but their draft record, what they did with the assets coming back, and a couple of key trades have kept them near the top.

    Off topic I think the Oilers should pitch Stevie Y hard for some future help in G. They have depth there and a Vasilevskiy would make that cupboard look a little fuller.

    Also off topic : Nice job by Stevie Y. Smart, smart guy. Bishop move really looks good right now

  32. Halfwise says:

    So there’s a new coach and a disturbance in the status quo complacency force. Then the season starts and the starting goaltending is dubious and the backup is barbaric and no one’s got anyone’s back, man.

    And the losing starts and builds. So does the blaming. Everyone reverts a bit to his comfort zone and habits. For players we see it in mistakes on ice. Coaches probably double down in meetings and practices, like talking louder to a foreigner so he’ll understand.

    Folks this is a spiral, where the only way out is a team epiphany that the enemy is outside not within, that we play together with the system yadda yadda. But wtf do you do with momentum-killing, heart-breaking goaltending? “We played the new hardass coach’s system and lost again” becomes a nagging thought, I bet, in the heads of any human involved.

    Nothing cures losing like winning. Pulling out of this doom loop may take some payback from the hockey gods for all they extracted from the team since late September. More words, or a tweak to PP zone entries, won’t help at this stage.

  33. Gret99zky says:

    Here’s a few:

    a) Throw everything but Hall and RNH at Montreal for Subban.

    b) Dubnyk appears done as a starter in this league. His confidence is beyond repair. Career back-up from this point on.

    c) Hemsky will be difficult to trade because the Oilers have always overvalued him while the league won’t even kick the tires.

    d) Never underestimate the stubbornness of youth. Kids nowadays are not kids of yesteryear. Threatening them with less icetime or pressboxes or trades is not effective. Bagskates are extinct.

    “Fine! Sit me, Trade me! I hate this fucking team anyway. Anywhere is better than here!”

    Krueger could coddle and that’s why the kids listened.

  34. FastOil says:

    PunkInDrublic:
    MacT had better pray he can resign Belovor the Smid trade is really going to haunt this team. A 20-52-10 season would convince almost anyone there are greener pastures elsewhere.

    Some might even say you would extend a guy before you trade the other.

    Why wouldn’t they wait for the deadline and get more? If it’s about cap I think it’s time Ricky gets a bus ticket. Being in cap trouble with a horrible team isn’t ok. It’s incompetent. Sorry Ricky.

    Everything about the Oilers right now is tainted by a lack of thought and patience.

    I have been thinking about the skill guys and how they seem to think that they are so good they can do it alone, by sheer force of will. At the same time as getting repeatedly schooled. Hubris is ugly.

    I would like to see them showing respect to and accepting that their opponents are really good and that they play in the best league there is, and so have to play together and smart to even have a chance to win.

    For one, show them Parkatti’s shot research. The good players aren’t always looking for a highlight reel goal. They get them, but they are looking for the smart play first. As in when there isn’t a good shot you look to create a rebound or deflection instead of ringing it around and out or making a play that has no chance. Or look to make a play to retain possession.

    In fact that it is the only way to let the talent start to show on a regular basis. I don’t get how they can stand to be laughing stocks around the league and a player like Hall doesn’t seem to care about his rep which is starting to tarnish it seems. I suppose nobody is taking it on themselves, it’s everyone else’s fault.

  35. Woodguy says:

    The more I think about the Smid deal, the more I don’t like it.

    Move off a vet and gift a roster spot to a rookie or unproven young man.

    That’s so Oilers.

  36. Woodguy says:

    Let’s no forget step 2.

    Watch rookie/young man struggle as he plays in a slot above his ability

    Watch fans, media and eventually the org turn on the player

    Trade player and watch him do better elsewhere

  37. delooper says:

    Your post needs more pretty girls LT! Sigh.

    My dad told me after the Philadelphia game he’s thinking of cancelling his NHL Centre Ice subscription. For a die-hard Oilers fan since the beginning, that’s a low ebb.

  38. justDOit says:

    We’re number one – we’re number one – we’re…

    http://www.mangameslost.com/nhl-man-games-lost-november-10-2013/

  39. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy: I guess the .923 mirage he posted last year in 12 games fooled more than the media.

    look at his first 10 games the last 5 years!
    08-09 292 SV 316 SA .924 SV%
    09-10 299 SV 330 SA .906 SV%
    10-11 308 SV 341 SA .903 SV%
    11-12 265 SV 277 SA .957 SV%
    12-13 309 SV 337 SA .917 SV%
    08-09 to 11-12 1473 SV 1601 SA .920Sv%
    10 -12games a season is what he was able to give.
    Like last year!
    He was not a starter when we signed him,
    But i stated last year when i looked at this!, a great 10-12 games in a season.

    Woodguy your better than this!

  40. cabbiesmacker says:

    Woodguy:
    The more I think about the Smid deal, the more I don’t like it.

    Move off a vet and gift a roster spot to a rookie or unproven young man.

    That’s so Oilers.

    I’d go a step further and describe the move as indefensible. Smid wasn’t Bobby Orr but he was a long long ways from a major symptom on this team and certainly had some intangibles the OIlers lack in a major way.

    Had to be a strong Eakins influence there as well. How else to explain the trade a month into the new contract.

    The Bryzgalov move is one of total desperation.

  41. Big Oil Truck says:

    Cabbie: Yes on Steve Y , if Tambellini traded Smid for Bishop we would have lynched him. However that would have been looking pretty damn good right about now……. Sigh
    *Curls up in ball in corner goes to happy place

  42. cabbiesmacker says:

    Hawks would have gone to bed a lot later than the Oilers last night and aren’t a hard team to play against physically.

    Khabby the likely starter.

    Has to be another 8 – 1 romp for the Oilers no?

  43. speeds says:

    “We’ve talked a lot in the last couple of days about ‘another shoe to drop’ after Smid’s exit and Bryzgalov’s signing. I think the Oilers would be open to a deal but it has to make sense, and if they wait the return may be greater.”

    Is it reasonable to argue that waiting would more than likely have increased the return for Smid as well? However, he’s gone. Maybe looking to make a move wins out over looking for value.

  44. Big Dan says:

    Lowetide, I agreed with you on the Ryan Jones/ Steve MacIntyre/ Denis Grebeshkov signings being pointless. I disagreed with you about Jason Labarbera – Khudonin and Greiss were much better options. Hell, Bachman is. So is bloody Chet Pickard.

    I wholeheartedly disagree with you about Dubnyk being the goalie of the future. After this season, he will be a backup going forward a la the Stephane Fiset/ Martin Biron/ Kevin Weekes types who had their chances at #1.

    The Smid trade clearly points out how his trade value was vastly overrated by Oiler fans. He’s a good 3rd pairing guy making too much money. I liked MacT’s move.

    - Chet Pickard was a first rounder and a late bloomer. He’ll either be Bryz’s AHL backup during the conditioning stint and then Bachman’s afterwards – if some team feels like a sucker and claims Larbarbera. Either way, he is a throw-in who gives the organization some depth and fills a need.

    - Laurent Broissoit has loads of potential. He’s the x-factor in this deal. He will get a lot of ice time in the ECHL and develop over the next couple of years. I say he makes it to the NHL … something Roy or Bunz would have never come close to. The Oilers had a huge hole in the pipeline there and he had a great opportunity here.

    - Roman Horak is going to be a great 3rd line guy with Boyd Gordon (who can play RW too). Horak just needs to fill out. He was one of Calgary’s best defensive forwards last year yet Hartley didn’t like him for whatever reason. Call me crazy but he reminds me of Todd Marchant.

    Did we get full value? No, but it’s not as bad as fans think. We got cap space to address goaltending and Ference/Belov/ Klefbom will take Smid’s spot anyways. Fedun and Larsen have been pleasant surprises too. The Oilers’ poor defense, from what I’ve seen, is due to HORRIBLE d-zone play by Hall/ Gagner/ Yakupov. Eakins needs time to teach them and crack the whip.

    BTW, I am THRILLED at the Bryzgalov signing. He was basically the only option anyways since nobody was dealing. It’s a good signal that MacT is trying. Tambo’s parting gift was wetting the bed on Ben Bishop – so frustrating.

    = I think Oiler fans are overrating Jordan Eberle’s trade value too. He is small (injuries and ailments are starting to creep in) and he’s overpaid at $6M. He will have a fine career as a smart 60-70 point guy. Wayne Simmonds is a 50 point scorer who always finds his way on the 1st line of playoff teams because he is fast, tough, and good defensively. In my mind, that’s an even swap that would be good for both teams. Don’t forget Simmonds is signed long-term at $4M/year too.

    Why does MacT think an Eberle trade is so preposterous? Yakupov will develop and Hemsky will re-sign for Perron-like $ so we’d still be terrific at RW. I’d keep Hemmer over trading for Luke Schenn, and use a guy like Marincin in a package as trade bait for the next up and coming 1G like Robin Lehner. Or sign Hiller to an overpay like for $6M next summer.

    Do it man!

    I like how MacT is clearing out roster spots (Mike Brown). Hopefully, this means he will work on signing Dillon Simpson sooner rather than later. Lee Moffie/ Ty Rimmer… meh. But sign Simpson.

  45. Andy P says:

    I once lived in a place that had lots of millipedes around. They were hard shelled. If you touched one, it would curl up in a tight ball and crap on you. If two of them came across each other, they would get into this tangled up wrestling match, and that is how they would end their lives. One would see the tangled corpses of these things from time to time, the inevitable result of two equally matched opponents refusing to give way, so they would die locked in combat, and then the ants would come in and feast on their innards.

    This is how I’m coming to see the Oil. The inmates have taken control of the asylum and are trying to oust the 5th coach by collectively tuning him out, and no doubt excluding whoever doesn’t do things their way. A toxic, toxic brew for anyone to deal with.

    Along the lines of “we’re so fucking good you better back off and let us do as we please or we’ll discredit you and fuck up your career for you just as we have with everyone else”

    I have seen, as a “dumbass from afar” (who has become somewhat familiar with organizational behavior over the last 30+ years) quite a few moves to get rid of this dynamic. I recall when all the training staff were shipped off. Do you? then we have seen the recent moves by Eakins and MacT – shipping off Horcoff, Belanger, Whitney (two of whom were also useless) and so on.

    We have a good coach and GM. We have a sufficiently talented roster of players here and on the farm, with a balanced roster sure to follow as MacT goes about his business in an astute manner. Out top line injured players are returning to the team, DD’s play is apparently improving, although I think DD and Bryz are both stopgap goalies. We’re still a ways from the 30 game period Stauffer (and others?) mentioned as how long it would take for us to see the kind of team MacT and Eakins had in mind.

    The power of the “Too good to coach” cadre, actually lies with the fans, and in particular the Tier 1 fans. By tuning out the coach, and dare I say deliberately throwing games, the fans get into a rage and demand action, do out goes another layer of coaching and management. Partly because the cadre, the nucleus, actually believe they really can win by doing what they want rather than actually play without the puck.

    I respect the approach that these are today’s kids, bag skates don’t work, etc but every effort to appease the kids has failed the moment they were asked to go against their grain. Torturing Souray to near death didn’t help either. I long for the day that whatever cadre exists is broken up, traded, I.don’t.care. Our teams of the 90′s when I first started watching them, may have been cash strapped from top to bottom, the farm team of the NHL, but they had heart, they had guts, they listened to their coach, and they almost always seemed to make the playoffs. They were fun to watch, and we could wear our Oil shirts to work with pride, as would everyone else.

    Problem the problem, if that exists, would likely be with two or more untouchables that could rise to their potential under a different dynamic. So aren’t we between damon and the deep blue sea – stay locked in an ever losing cycle, either with the inmates running the asylum and blaming everyone else forever as we fans continue to pay for the privilege of watching this team, or with the inmates running every coach and management team that dares to challenge their ways in order to get to a winning team?

    The only solution I can think of, is hiring a GM who has an MBA (so he understands the organizational dynamics), that has credentials as a player and as a coach, a sports psychologist, and a coach that has a top reputation for working with young, talented players. Something this team has just done with MacT and Eakins.

    Outside of that, somehow, the misled, talented cadre needs to somehow learn that their way is bad for the team, and bad for them.

    Big problem folks. Really big freakin’ problem.

  46. nycoil says:

    delooper:
    Your post needs more pretty girls LT!Sigh.
    My dad told me after the Philadelphia game he’s thinking of cancelling his NHL Centre Ice subscription.For a die-hard Oilers fan since the beginning, that’s a low ebb.

    I have had game center live every year since they started offering it. I was living in Tokyo a long time and I spent a lot of time and money watching the Oilers lose at all hours of the nigh or early on sunday mornings. This season i hesitated. I wanted to wait the first month. Not sure why. Now I don’t think I will renew. The beginning of the season was painful but exciting. The team looked good and it was only a matter of goaltending improving. But in the back of my mind I was worried if this went on a while they may lose confidence. Here we are game 20 and the wheels have fallen off. The effort of late has been so inconsistent. Try against Tampa and they lose and it’s tune everyone out time and play like individuals in Philly. I just can’t bring myself to take time and money out of my day to watch a sorry effort like yesterday anymore. I will check the boxscore and read this blog everyday but until they start putting forth a better effort I can’t watch every game.
    Feels like a lifetime since I flew from Tokyo just for one night to see game 3 of the 2006 cup final. And I’m regretting my $650 shelled out for two seats to Oilers at Rangers on FEB 6 already. And we are in November.

  47. KSC10032 says:

    LT –

    Speaking solely for myself, one of the ongoing pleasures of this site is that you remember — and celebrate — some of the players I enjoyed when I was the average age of most of the posters here.

    Bill White — along with CHI partner Pat Stapleton — was an absolute gem, one of the most mistake-free defensemen of any generation. He got buried in the hell that was the Eddie Shore controlled Springfield and was only freed by the 1967 expansion, and the fact that the LA kings bought the Springfield AHL franchise as part of entering the league. Then, the Hawks absolutely stole him from the Kings for a collections of used-up flotsam.

    White also, IMO, was one of the main reasons that Canada came back to win the 1972 Summit Series (along with the equally redoubtable Stapleton).

  48. DeadmanWaking says:

    New GM. New coach. New players. New despair. My how the cluster crumbles. Hunter’s “A New Dawn” Plan B shall rest in safe harbor for a while yet.

    Bleacher Report is consistently edgy, but that’s as far as their consistency goes, otherwise they are as pathologically uneven as Bertie Bott’s Every Flavourful Beans (Milquetoast not included).

    That’s what you get when you put page views ahead of process. No wait … we’re in the business of winning … I’m the one who has this backwards. Careful, Lowetide, you don’t wreck their happy formula.

    What’s wrong with our team is that none of our marquis players (this morning I won’t say good) believe they can win a game 1-0 in a month of Sundays. In their minds, defense equals losing.

    When the drop pass works, our guys smell napalm in the morning. The other team looks at the same play and sees an annuity stream in perpetuity going the other way.

    The book is out. Show our guys some sexy cracks in the first ten minutes, let them fill their lungs with visions of sugar plum fairies, then sit back and plunder the bottomless stocking for the rest of the game.

  49. Thiru says:

    Woodguy:
    Let’s no forget step 2.

    Watch rookie/young man struggle as he plays in a slot above his ability

    Watch fans, media and eventually the org turn on the player

    Trade player and watch him do better elsewhere

    It’s very strange that this move was allowed to happen.

    Think of how many D the Oilers have brought in over the past few years. How many of those players were on par with Smid? I suppose Belov is one; the rest have been varying degrees of junk.

    Now, the Oilers just took one of the few players (Smid) of this type and quality that they had, one who (bizarrely) wanted to be a part of this organization, and gave him away without a thought to maximizing his value.

    It’s a very bizarre move.

    Eakins has acknowledged that the systems play is a work in progress.

    So, Mr. Eakins and Mr. MacTavish: how in the hell do you evaluate an individual’s performance in the context of broken systems play?

    MacT deserves a lot of credit for some of his moves in the summer, but panic is setting in, there’s no doubt about it.

  50. godot10 says:

    Nick Leddy is still on the 3rd pairing. Meanwhile Justin Schultz gets crucified for struggling defensively with 2nd pairing minutes.

    Can you guys name the troublemaker causing the problem? Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, Eberle, JSchultz, Yakupov, Gagner** I don’t see any problems there. I only see solutions to problems.

    **Gagner is what he is. Use him appropriately, while looking for or developing a better option.

    Andrew Ference is at best a 3rd pairing LD on a good team. If Nurse is on the team next year on a team that has Andrew Ference, Nurse will be a defacto 2nd pairing D.

    Hemsky has a successful dangle against an Eastern Conference team, and the Oilogosphere gets erections. Western Conference D have Hemsky figured out cause they see him all the time. Hemsky and Larsen for Girardi please.

  51. Andy P says:

    godot10,

    So, is Boston not a good team in your world?
    Please remind me where Ference played in Boston again?

  52. Dipstick says:

    I don’t understand the Smid trade. Shouldn’t they be pruning from the bottom and adding to the top? Is that all Smid was worth? Even if it is a salary dump, aren’t there other options? N. Schultz? We have a lot of depth at D, but not at the NHL level.

  53. TheOtherJohn says:

    To put just how far our young guys are from developing into complete all around players: Draft year plus 3 Toews was #1 centre that took Chicago 3 rounds into playoffs. Draft year plus 4 Toews was Conn Smythe trophy winner of 2009/10 SC champion. This is Hall’s draft plus 4 year. To be even more depressing: Kane was drafted a year behind Toews. I.e. The exact same experience as Nuge.

    Acknowledge 09/10 Hawks had superlative roster. Keith, Seabrook, Big, tough, very strong bottom 6 & 5/6/7/8 D with stunning average goaltending,

    Oiler plan is to wait for Nurse, Klefbom, Marincin to get here and develop. That will be 3-4 years from now before they are capable of heavy lifting on the backend. Or on the backside of the Eberle Hall contracts
    —————————————————————————-
    On the Smid trade nowhere near enough but:

    PunkInDrublic:
    MacT had better pray he can resign Belovor the Smid trade is really going to haunt this team. A 20-52-10 season would convince almost anyone there are greener pastures elsewhere.

    Absolutely, for Belov living in Little Odessa and playing for Rangers or Islanders home in his own bed most nights. Possible: yup. Suddenly the Smid trade goes from being bad asset management to really bad management. If it happens Oilers will say who could anticipate Belov signing 2 time zones closer to home?

    If Belov signs as UFA elsewhere our remaining veteran LW D is the 34 yr old undersized Captain. Who has not yet played a steady diet of the big boys in the WC. At least Ference has played really strong to date …… Ok the last statement isn’t true

  54. Brackenburied says:

    PunkInDrublic:
    MacT had better pray he can resign Belovor the Smid trade is really going to haunt this team. A 20-52-10 season would convince almost anyone there are greener pastures elsewhere.

    Eggzachery!! Why wood he? He’s a player! The rest of the league knows. Why would he stay with a rebuilding team that just traded his best friend and mentor in Smid (unsubstantiated rumor, I’m just throwing shit out there to see if it ends up in Proudfoots twitter). If he does sign this guy may truly be a replacement for Smid; heart and soul.
    Maria Dunn (completely unrelated) rocks and, Mr LT, awesome GIF this morn.

  55. G Money says:

    Thiru: Now, the Oilers just took one of the few players (Smid) of this type and quality that they had, one who (bizarrely) wanted to be a part of this organization, and gave him away without a thought to maximizing his value.
    It’s a very bizarre move.

    There`s a description over at C&B that is absolutely right on.

    In the last seven years, we`ved moved from a rebuilding stance of trading away established players for prospects to bringing in established players for prospects to trading away established players for prospects.

    Without ever coming remotely close to contending in between.

    Welcome to InfiniRebuild.

  56. Halfwise says:

    Andy P: I once lived in a place that had lots of millipedes around. They were hard shelled. If you touched one, it would curl up in a tight ball and crap on you. If two of them came across each other, they would get into this tangled up wrestling match, and that is how they would end their lives. One would see the tangled corpses of these things from time to time, the inevitable result of two equally matched opponents refusing to give way, so they would die locked in combat, and then the ants would come in and feast on their innards. This is how I’m coming to see the Oil. The inmates have taken control of the asylum and are trying to oust the 5th coach by collectively tuning him out, and no doubt excluding whoever doesn’t do things their way. A toxic, toxic brew for anyone to deal with. Along the lines of “we’re so fucking good you better back off and let us do as we please or we’ll discredit you and fuck up your career for you just as we have with everyone else” I have seen, as a “dumbass from afar” (who has become somewhat familiar with organizational behavior over the last 30+ years) quite a few moves to get rid of this dynamic. I recall when all the training staff were shipped off. Do you? then we have seen the recent moves by Eakins and MacT – shipping off Horcoff, Belanger, Whitney (two of whom were also useless) and so on. We have a good coach and GM. We have a sufficiently talented roster of players here and on the farm, with a balanced roster sure to follow as MacT goes about his business in an astute manner. Out top line injured players are returning to the team, DD’s play is apparently improving, although I think DD and Bryz are both stopgap goalies. We’re still a ways from the 30 game period Stauffer (and others?) mentioned as how long it would take for us to see the kind of team MacT and Eakins had in mind. The power of the “Too good to coach” cadre, actually lies with the fans, and in particular the Tier 1 fans. By tuning out the coach, and dare I say deliberately throwing games, the fans get into a rage and demand action, do out goes another layer of coaching and management. Partly because the cadre, the nucleus, actually believe they really can win by doing what they want rather than actually play without the puck.I respect the approach that these are today’s kids, bag skates don’t work, etc but every effort to appease the kids has failed the moment they were asked to go against their grain. Torturing Souray to near death didn’t help either. I long for the day that whatever cadre exists is broken up, traded, I.don’t.care. Our teams of the 90′s when I first started watching them, may have been cash strapped from top to bottom, the farm team of the NHL, but they had heart, they had guts, they listened to their coach, and they almost always seemed to make the playoffs. They were fun to watch, and we could wear our Oil shirts to work with pride, as would everyone else. Problem the problem, if that exists, would likely be with two or more untouchables that could rise to their potential under a different dynamic. So aren’t we between damon and the deep blue sea – stay locked in an ever losing cycle, either with the inmates running the asylum and blaming everyone else forever as we fans continue to pay for the privilege of watching this team, or with the inmates running every coach and management team that dares to challenge their ways in order to get to a winning team? The only solution I can think of, is hiring a GM who has an MBA (so he understands the organizational dynamics), that has credentials as a player and as a coach, a sports psychologist, and a coach that has a top reputation for working with young, talented players. Something this team has just done with MacT and Eakins. Outside of that, somehow, the misled, talented cadre needs to somehow learn that their way is bad for the team, and bad for them. Big problem folks. Really big freakin’ problem.

    ^ This.

    How does a coach get buy-in when the experience so far this season doesn’t reinforce the benefit of buying in? Is the talent a coach-killer? Or is the coach a talent-killer? Or does the goaltending suckage introduce so much noise that there is no reliable signal?

    This is messy.

  57. G Money says:

    DeadmanWaking: The book is out. Show our guys some sexy cracks in the first ten minutes, let them fill their lungs with visions of sugar plum fairies, then sit back and plunder the bottomless stocking for the rest of the game.

    To be honest, this is a terrific strategy with a likely high level of success – but apart from Detroit and a handful of others, I do not think coaches are typically that smart. Hockey is not a land of intellectual giants.

    More likely, the visions of sugar plum fairies are there from start to finish, and no quantity of easy goals against seems to ever change that.

  58. Brackenburied says:

    Tip, when typing a really long post don’t ignore the 5% battery warning.

  59. Brackenburied says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Like most, I’d love to see Hemsky shoot more. He has a better shot than he gives himself credit for.

    But Hemsky in all honesty I could watch him skate for miles in the o-zone and never once lose intense interest. Watching him circle behind the net with speed and breakdown d-coverage looking for one of his linemates to finally wander into a shooting lane is a thing of magic. In this, he is one of the league’s best.

    Great shot, no trigger. That’s a brain thing and I hate those.

  60. HugThePost says:

    LT said it—-Hall’s play where he blew the zone cheating for offence at the expense of the team goal of playing defence when the opposition is attacking your zone is a brutal apocalyptic sign if what we are looking for are signs of buy-in and playing within the team.

    I’m not convinced even players superior to Hall (ie. the Crosbys, Toews, etc of the league) get a pass to do this—it sends a terrible terrible message to the rest of the team when the supposed alpha goes off and does his own thing for his own goals. He is the one who has to show everyone else the way. But……..Hall got his goal yesterday and perhaps that is enough to make him happy.

    At this point, I’m so cynical when it comes to this team that it wouldn’t surprise me if Hall is one of the problems in that room. I know most around here have already annointed him a deity, but he’s a very large fish in a very shallow pool right now and he sometimes shows signs that he just doesn’t care about much past getting his points, making his plays and being the darling of the team.

    When a team is down and being kicked everywhere they go, I expect the supposed leader and alpha of the group to be much more than this.

  61. icecastles says:

    Dipstick: Any word on Belov’s expected suspension for the phantom match penalty?

    Apologies if it’s been answered already, but in his presser this morning, Eakins says the match penalty has been rescinded.

  62. Woodguy says:

    Mike gives us some good new for projecting the year after the Oilers miss the playoffs for the 10th year in a row:

    Michael Parkatti ‏@mparkatti 12h

    Nurse turning into Pietrangelo would solve a few problems. Latter had 29 pts in 36 OHL games draft+1. Nurse’s pace above that.

    Then Mike remarks:

    Michael Parkatti ‏@mparkatti 12h

    @davidamaclean he stacks up well vs a lot of interesting high-end d prospects. Very likely was undervalued as a #3 on his team last year

    This is interesting.

    Nurse wasn’t on PP1 last year and his numbers suffered because of it.

    He might be quite, quite good*

    *Assuming, health, development, and Oiler management don’t go sideways. Your mileage may vary.

  63. Dipstick says:

    icecastles,

    Thanks, just saw it on twitter. Bruce McCurdy.

  64. Woodguy says:

    Sounds like lines are:

    4-89-83
    57-93-14
    6-27-28
    94-26-64

    I wish he’d put 4–94-14 together, they won the battle against the best last year.

    Also,

    Eakins says he’s still impressed by 26 and thought he hit a wall a few games ago, but is right back on his game doing all the little things right.

    Says 89 has to be better

  65. Woodguy says:

    Everyone should listen to Hall on his pre-game interview today.

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/

    That’s a fine young man who knows exactly what is going on and how to fix it.

  66. nycoil says:

    On another note, the projected cutoff in the west for 8th is over 100pts at the moment. Oilers on pace to not even hit 50.

  67. Brackenburied says:

    Woodguy:

    Says 89 has to be better

    I’m a hater right now but I kind of maybe sorta thought he might of kinda sorta played a wee bit better yesterday.

  68. Brackenburied says:

    nycoil:
    On another note, the projected cutoff in the west for 8th is over 100pts at the moment. Oilers on pace to not even hit 50.

    I bet your girlfriend told you that!

  69. Woodguy says:

    Brackenburied: I’m a hater right now but I kind of maybe sorta thought he might of kinda sorta played a wee bit better yesterday.

    The shift before the 2nd goal he actually a very good back check. The puck was passed to his check in the slot and Sam had him cold and the puck sailed through.

    Next shift 4 makes a jailbreak and 89 is deep in the zone and the high forward walks in and wires it.

    *sigh*

  70. cabbiesmacker says:

    Andy P:

    We have a good coach and GM. We have a sufficiently talented roster of players here and on the farm, with a balanced roster sure to follow as MacT goes about his business in an astute manner.

    Wow. Really? I either have to give this crystal Meth thing a go one day or buy a set of max. protection welding goggles.

    For one the farm system would rate a possible D+, C- at best.

    Some astute moves? Maybe but an equal amount of absolute head scratchers.

    Sufficiently talented roster of players here? How can you even say that after looking at the standings? Or have you?

    Here’s all you need to know about the Edmonton Oilers. ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY AT ALL LEVELS

  71. Woodguy says:

    Staples with a nice dissection of one of the main ailments of the Oilers:

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/11/10/the-top-6-things-the-edmonton-oilers-must-do-to-start-winning/

  72. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    Everyone should listen to Hall on his pre-game interview today.

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/

    That’s a fine young man who knows exactly what is going on and how to fix it.

    Thanks for that, WG. Best video I’ve seen in a long time, restores my faith a little.

  73. TheOtherJohn says:

    Woodguy:
    Mike gives us some good new for projecting the year after the Oilers miss the playoffs for the 10th year in a row:

    Michael Parkatti ‏@mparkatti 12h


    Nurse turning into Pietrangelo would solve a few problems. Latter had 29 pts in 36 OHL games draft+1. Nurse’s pace above that.

    Then Mike remarks:

    Michael Parkatti ‏@mparkatti 12h


    @davidamaclean he stacks up well vs a lot of interesting high-end d prospects. Very likely was undervalued as a #3 on his team last year

    This is interesting.

    Nurse wasn’t on PP1 last year and his numbers suffered because of it.

    He might be quite, quite good*

    *Assuming, health, development, and Oiler management don’t go sideways.Your mileage may vary.

    Another nice projection by Parkatti .

    That would be a fantastic comparable for us if Nurse develops along that path.

    Pietrangelo’s first full year in the bigs was draft +3. P.K. Subban arrived in Montreal for first full season at draft plus 4. Shea Weber was draft plus 4. Ryan Suter was a draft plus 3. Phanuef draft plus 3. If Nurse follows Pietrangelo, Suter, Phanuef he will arrive here in 2015/2016 for his first full season. If he follows Subban & Weber he arrives here 2016/17.

    Fully expect we will see Nurse here next year playing really big minutes with mixed results

  74. Woodguy says:

    TheOtherJohn,

    Fully expect we will see Nurse here next year playing really big minutes with mixed results

    Because Oilers.

  75. justDOit says:

    Woodguy:
    TheOtherJohn,

    Fully expect we will see Nurse here next year playing really big minutes with mixed results

    Because Oilers.

    Because the fanbase would never tolerate this team sucking for years, while their prospects learn the game properly in the minors. So glad that I put my Gamecenter money to better use.

  76. Brackenburied says:

    So here we are again, praying on Khabi to get us a win.

  77. denny33 says:

    Woodguy,

    Lots of hard truths in the post today LT.

    ***********************************************

    Agreed – outside air is penerating this forum as our core players were all present yesterday and their performance was not unique.

    There was no new truths yesterday.

    Taylor Hall is a massive force offensively. Defensively – he is, at times, almos disinterested.

    RNH is my favourite oiler – but he is not even pretending to win a puck battle.
    ************************************************************************************************

    The holes are not being filled and when key players regress (or don’t progress) it falls apart quickly.

    The start was great, even if the results weren’t, but they looked just uninterested in yesterday’s hockey game for about 50 minutes of it.

    *********************************************************************************************
    Offensively we started okay but defensively it was a gong show right from the get go….

    Lots of people were very happy with the lineup – Yak and Smyth augmenting the vaunted 4th line.

    This team has earned its place in the league standings….

  78. bookje says:

    Woodguy:
    Everyone should listen to Hall on his pre-game interview today.

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/

    That’s a fine young man who knows exactly what is going on and how to fix it.

    Haven’t had a chance to watch, but will do so – glad to hear that he seems to be in line with the game plan and not rebelling against it. If Hall and most/all of the other key guys on the team are buying in, this thing will turn around.

  79. Brackenburied says:

    Woodguy:
    Everyone should listen to Hall on his pre-game interview today.

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/

    That’s a fine young man who knows exactly what is going on and how to fix it.

    Watched Eakins pregamer and wondered if “Jonesy” is becoming one of his guys.

  80. Woodguy says:

    Brackenburied: Watched Eakins pregamer and wondered if “Jonesy” is becoming one of his guys.

    He scratched him yesterday and would have probably scratched him today if it wasn’t for Gazdic hurting his shoulder.

  81. Brackenburied says:

    Woodguy: He scratched him yesterday and would have probably scratched him today if it wasn’t for Gazdic hurting his shoulder.

    Are you trying to say I should pay attention?

  82. denny33 says:

    godot10,

    Andrew Ference is at best a 3rd pairing LD on a good team. If Nurse is on the team next year on a team that has Andrew Ference, Nurse will be a defacto 2nd pairing D.

    **************************************************************************************

    Agreed.

    Anyone like to reprise the debate on the signing of Andrew Ference?

    First pairing guy? Second pairing?

    Gets obliterated again yesterday – leads to 2-1 …….

    Everything the people said about him is off – struggles to win puck battles against smaller people. Gets blown up by power forwards – Nick Schultz.

    As I said when he was signed – he TURNS 35 THIS spring….

    He is only going to get better, right?

    Thank god Smid is gone.

  83. Halfwise says:

    Brackenburied,

    “Jonesy” had some pointed comments about Eakins keeping his guys up while Jones went down to OKC. Half of that wrong has been righted, finally.

    In hindsight, maybe starting the season with no actual NHL penalty killers on the roster while introducing new systems and having offense-minded top 6 Fs on the PK for the first time in their NHL careers wasn’t optimum as decisions go. Ya think?

  84. hunter1909 says:

    At which point does Batman aka Katz finally understand he’s got a management by cack President of hockey Inoperations? And a GM who’s proven nothing, right down to the assistant coaches who make the Vatican seem merit driven?

    That unless he acts, he’s not even going to have that much of a team on opening night of his wonderful new arena?

    At this point the game gets really interesting, because it’s suddenly going to turn into The Apprentice:

    Someone’s going to get fired.

  85. Andy P says:

    Halfwise: ^ This.How does a coach get buy-in when the experience so far this season doesn’t reinforce the benefit of buying in? Is the talent a coach-killer? Or is the coach a talent-killer? Or does the goaltending suckage introduce so much noise that there is no reliable signal?This is messy.

    Messy it is. But either Renney, Krueger and Eakins are all, independently, talent killers or some of our top talent is killing coaches. Eakins has a solid record of coaching young talent, and the people he coached would “go through a wall” for him. Renney was put in behind Quinn because he was regarded as a better developer of young Talent; Quinn was too “old school”. Krueger had an exceptional coaching record, and once he re-establishes himself in the NHL I believe he will be a coach whose teams over perform their talent level.

    That’s why I don’t think Eakins is a talent killer, nor a poor coach. My hope is that Stauffer and whoever else said 30 games, nailed it.

    Nor am I sure that this team has ever bought in + understood the concept, and I do think the entire schema was way too much top put on them in the beginning. But Eakins seems to have recognized this, and has backed off closer to coaching the fundamentals of defense.

    Just sayin’

  86. Caramel Obvious says:

    Woodguy:
    Sounds like lines are:

    4-89-83
    57-93-14
    6-27-28
    94-26-64

    I wish he’d put 4–94-14 together, they won the battle against the best last year.

    Also,

    Eakins says he’s still impressed by 26 and thought he hit a wall a few games ago, but is right back on his game doing all the little things right.

    Says 89 has to be better

    Love those lines.

    It is interesting how easily we all overreact to one game. Two good games in a row and then one bad game. That seems to be what this team is right now but perception is coloured by bad goaltending and getting crushed a couple of times by really good teams.

    What this team really needs is to hand with Chicago. Unfortunately, Chicago is crazy good.

    Picking up my unending defense of Eakins and the absurd notion that the problem is the system. Here are some things to consider:

    1) Tactically there is no difference between the AHL and the NHL. All of the systems that are used in the AHL are also used in the NHL all the time. There is no such thing as a system that only works in the AHL. The systems that Eakins is using are used by other NHL teams. If you think it is an “AHL” system by an “AHL” coach you simply don’t know what you are talking about.

    2) NHL players are more experienced than AHL players. It is literally impossible for the system to be “too difficult” for them.

    3) So the problem isn’t the system in principle it is the system in practice, i.e., the execution of the system. Whose fault is that? It could be Eakins the teacher or it could be the players as students. Well, neither has a fully established track record. However, Eakins has some kind of track record as he successfully implemented good systems play for other teams. The players, on the other hand, only have a track record of failed execution.

    4) So whose fault is all this? Partly it goes back to management, mostly the previous regime. They don’t have enough good players. Compare the rosters tonight. The Oilers aren’t anywhere near as good or as deep. The other part goes to the players themselves. They should be able to execute a plan.

    5) The good news is that there is a snowball effect. I played a rec hockey game last night. My team is pretty bad and I’m easily one of the best players. But when they other players are really stinking up the joint they often bring me down with them. I try to do too much and stop playing smart. This is probably, more than anything, what is happening here. The good news is that once this gets turned around it could really turn around since.

    6) Heh, look at that fourth line. That’s gold baby gold. Gazdic hurt and Acton out gives this team options.

    7) I never really liked the Smid trade and I like it less after yesterday’s game. But that just goes to show how we all are overreacting to game by game results. I’ll like the trade again if they start playing well and if Horak gets called up. Moreover if the trade was necessary to sign Bryzgalov, and given the timing it sure looks like it was, then really this is a trade for Horak, Bryzgalov, and a goalie prospect. If Bryzgalov plays well this itransforms the deal and makes it a huge win.

  87. Woodguy says:

    Brackenburied: Are you trying to say I should pay attention?

    I’m just here to provide information.

    Come to your own conclusions.

    :)

  88. RexLibris says:

    If the season ended today (I mean aside from feeling like it will end today), the Oilers would draft no later than 3rd overall.

    I’m becoming sympathetic to Henri, le Chat Noir – Henri, Le Chat Noir @HenriLeChatNoir

    Phineas Quimby wrote, “The silkworm spins out his life, and, wrapping himself in his labor, dies.” This is why I nap while you go to work.

    Are we, as Oiler fans, slowly suffocating in this cocoon of hope and expectations we’ve spun?

  89. Woodguy says:

    Caramel Obvious,

    It is interesting how easily we all overreact to one game. Two good games in a row and then one bad game. That seems to be what this team is right now but perception is coloured by bad goaltending and getting crushed a couple of times by really good teams.

    True.

    Might have been the emotion of losing Ladi, he was well liked by everyone.

    They played a great game in TBY and a decent one in FLA too.

    TB is 10-5-0, (albeit mostly against the East)

    I still don’t think they are nearly as bad as their record.

    Also,

    I wish Eakins would stop playing 4 with 89.

    Opposing coaches always put out the top pairing D against 4 and coaches who like to go power v power will throw out their best forwards too.

    89 can’t handle that.

    In his 3rd year 93 can handle it much better than 89 in his 7th year.

  90. Lowetide says:

    In regard to Eakins, there’s truth imo on both sides. He HAS made mistakes–penalty killers lacking on 4line, I don’t think he stayed with Smid-Petry long enough, and I can’t believe a coach is still allowed to play Smyth at center.

    However, the system can’t be that complex, guys. Eakins has a right to insist on buy in, and if players don’t then there will be changes. It has always been thus.

  91. hunter1909 says:

    Since tonight is a guaranteed loss without shame…

    Returning home to the mighty Dallas Stars already looks like one of those potential season defining situations, whereby the owner finally says enough is enough should the Tier 1 fans revolt at any time during the next two home games. The Stars is the only one out of the next three including tonight that even remotely looks winnable.

    Suppose they lose three in a row from tonight? And then the Flames school them? Good thing Florida is in the 3 game home stand after that, since that appears winnable.

  92. Thiru says:

    Woodguy:
    Caramel Obvious,

    It is interesting how easily we all overreact to one game. Two good games in a row and then one bad game. That seems to be what this team is right now but perception is coloured by bad goaltending and getting crushed a couple of times by really good teams.

    True.

    Might have been the emotion of losing Ladi, he was well liked by everyone.

    They played a great game in TBY and a decent one in FLA too.

    TB is 10-5-0, (albeit mostly against the East)

    I still don’t think they are nearly as bad as their record.

    Also,

    I wish Eakins would stop playing 4 with 89.

    Opposing coaches always put out the top pairing D against 4 and coaches who like to go power v power will throw out their best forwards too.

    89 can’t handle that.

    In his 3rd year 93 can handle it much better than 89 in his 7th year.

    93-4-14 need to be together. That line works!

    It’s like they hate winning!

    Also, call up that Horak guy to play 4C and scratch Smyth for gawd’s sake. I get that he’s trying and he can still win the odd battle on the boards, but he’s slowwwwwwwwww getting there.

  93. Woodguy says:

    I wish Eakins would stop playing 4 with 89.
    Opposing coaches always put out the top pairing D against 4 and coaches who like to go power v power will throw out their best forwards too.
    89 can’t handle that.
    In his 3rd year 93 can handle it much better than 89 in his 7th year.

    Thought about this some more and having 4 with 89 actually protects 89 a bit, especially on the road.

    If 4-93-14 was a line then most opposing coaches would send his best forwards against 57-89-83 and I don’t think that’s a good idea for the Oilers.

    4-89-83 and 57-93-14 makes 93′s line the one you want to target with your best forwards and the better C is on that line.

  94. gvblackhawk says:

    LT,

    If the Oilers opening night blue line is:

    2. Belov-Petry
    3. Ference-Schultz

    , then they might have a fighting chance at the playoffs. If that is the projected top 4 group, and the Oilers are content to wait for their prospects to develop, then they are in big trouble again next year. The top pairing must be addressed via trade — top free agents will not sign with a perpetual loser. One of the young forwards must be dealt in order to make that happen.

  95. wordbird says:

    Bob McKenzie (@TSNBobMcKenzie)
    11/10/13, 12:18 PM
    ANA puts David Steckel on waivers. Assuming that means he’s going from AHL to NHL contract with the Ducks.

  96. fifthcartel says:

    Thiru,

    I’m sure we’ll see Horak once he’s gotten a couple games in OKC. Seems like a better 4th line option than any of Acton/Smyth/Gazdic/Eager.

  97. Brackenburied says:

    hunter1909:
    Since tonight is a guaranteed loss without shame…

    Returning home to the mighty Dallas Stars already looks like one of those potential season defining situations, whereby the owner finally says enough is enough should the Tier 1 fans revolt at any time during the next two home games. The Stars is the only one out of the next three including tonight that even remotely looks winnable.

    Suppose they lose three in a row from tonight? And then the Flames school them? Good thing Florida is in the 3 game home stand after that, since that appears winnable.

    Chicago!! GGGnGt! (Guaranteed Good Game niGht for those on different meds than me)

  98. Lowetide says:

    gvblackhawk:
    LT,

    If the Oilers opening night blue line is:

    2. Belov-Petry
    3. Ference-Schultz

    , then they might have a fighting chance at the playoffs.If that is the projected top 4 group, and the Oilers are content to wait for their prospects to develop, then they are in big trouble again next year.The top pairing must be addressed via trade — top free agents will not sign with a perpetual loser.One of the young forwards must be dealt in order to make that happen.

    sheldon Souray says hello. Agree they need to add though, but suspect free agency will be the route again this season. Ference and Belov were both significant free agent ads this past season. MacT isn’t dealing Eberle unless there’s someone coming back who is equal or better.

    Anyone see Subban on the market? If THAT happens, MacT must pounce. NHL teams are too smart to let these guys loose.

  99. Doomoil says:

    Woodguy:
    Everyone should listen to Hall on his pre-game interview today.

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/

    That’s a fine young man who knows exactly what is going on and how to fix it.

    Clicking this link with my mouse scroll wheel to open it up in a new tab, nothing is happening.

    What the hell is the problem here?

    Oh right, i slammed my mouse down against my desk yesterday watching the game.

    I’ll take a broken mouse over the phone i almost threw through my TV.

  100. gvblackhawk says:

    Woodguy,

    How many games do you think Gagner gets to turn his two-way game around before MacT is compelled to renege on his verbal no trade agreement?

  101. prairieschooner says:

    BrackenB, I spoke to Maria Dunn on Friday night at the Canadian Folk Music awards in Calgary she was just back from Scotland

    Is it fair to say that the culture in the dressing room argument can no longer be used?
    With Ladi gone there is only Smyth Dubnyk and Hemsky left over unless the culture is like catching a cold.
    I think we need to be patient and let the coach do his thing (I do not feel very patient though)

  102. stevezie says:

    I was watching the Hawks-Stars game last night. Before I say anything, yes, the Hawks won handily. That said, the Stars were able to walk through Chi’s D several times. The only Chicago game I’ve seen this year, but they seem to be susceptible to forwards stick-handling aggressively. This suits the Oil perfectly.

    If Taylor saying we match them well doesn’t get them too excited.

  103. Brackenburied says:

    Woodguy:
    Caramel Obvious,

    Might have been the emotion of losing Ladi, he was well liked by everyone.

    I thought of this yesterday whilst watching the game; when a trade occurs you may play the next game like “Holy Shit!! I might be next.” or like “Ladi?!?! To the flames?!?! Why The Face!! I hate management.” We might of got the latter yesterday.

  104. Rondo says:

    LT,

    What do you think Edmonton would have to give up to get a player like Sean Couturier ?

  105. stevezie says:

    I’vetalked myself into it. Money down on the Oilers. It makes too little sense, I had to do it.

  106. gvblackhawk says:

    Lowetide: sheldon Souray says hello. Agree they need to add though, but suspect free agency will be the route again this season. Ference and Belov were both significant free agent ads this past season. MacT isn’t dealing Eberle unless there’s someone coming back who is equal or better.

    Anyone see Subban on the market? If THAT happens, MacT must pounce. NHL teams are too smart to let these guys loose.

    Kyle Brodziak says ‘what’s new with you?’

    You can debate the merits of MacT’s UFA signings, but he did not address the team’s biggest weakness: the top defensive pairing. Forcing unqualified players into a specific role and crossing your fingers is not a recipe for success.

    My glance at the 2014 UFA list is not heart warming. There are not many players who can legitimately step into a top pairing role. Of the ones who can (Boyle, Phaneuf, Markov, Girardi?), what kind of insane overpay are you going to have to offer to get one of them to sign with a last place, western conference team?

    If you can land a player like Subban, who might be out of favor in his current organization (although I doubt this), or similar, there is no question that Oilers have to pull the trigger on a deal like that. My fear is that the Oilers management’s definition of that player might be Jack Johnson.

  107. stevezie says:

    gvblackhawk: MacT’s UFA signing…did not address the team’s biggest weakness: the top defensive pairing.

    This is nor really fair. You can go out and get depth, but you can’t just “go sign” a top pairing D. 2014 is a bumper crop compared to what was available last summer. For most teams, if you want a top D you will need to grow him. Unless of course Yak starts scorign a goal-a-game, but will we really want to trade him then?

  108. Lowetide says:

    Rondo:
    LT,

    What do you think Edmonton would have to give up to get a player like Sean Couturier ?

    they’ll want Eberle. Oilers won’t give. There’s no trade to be made.

  109. Thinker says:

    Hey LT could you run a comparison on roy vs. brossoit. I don’t see a huge difference aside from a few playoff games and the wjc.

  110. Rondo says:

    Lowetide,

    That is way too much.

  111. gvblackhawk says:

    stevezie: This is nor really fair. You can go out and get depth, but you can’t just “go sign” a top pairing D. 2014 is a bumper crop compared to what was available last summer. For most teams, if you want a top D you will need to grow him. Unless of course Yak starts scorign a goal-a-game, but will we really want to trade him then?

    I think you took my comment out of context. I did not suggest that MacT intended for his UFA signings to become top pairing guys. He did not address the biggest weakness on the team: the top defensive pairing.

    Regarding your second sentence, you can indeed sign a top pairing defenseman in a UFA market. There are plenty of past examples of this. Minnesota just did it with Ryan Suter. However, your team has to be desirable for a UFA to want to sign with. It is not a strategy that MacT will be able to use. His only options are: a) a trade of existing assets, or b) hope that prospects develop into top pairing players. As a fan, I do not like b). If the prospects work out….fantastic! If they don’t, well then the problem has not been addressed and the team continues to lose. Plan a) is the better option.

  112. Lowetide says:

    Rondo:
    Lowetide,

    That is waytoo much.

    I agree.

  113. Lowetide says:

    Thinker:
    Hey LT could you run a comparison on roy vs. brossoit. I don’t see a huge difference aside from a few playoff games and the wjc.

    Sounds like you already did.

  114. Thinker says:

    Lowetide,

    I feel like theres something i mised. I see the two as close to even. People should be pissed because it essentail changes the trade to smid for a two bit prospect.

  115. Andy P says:

    gvblackhawk,

    MacT got the bpa D as in bpa to the Oil. If this team comes together and plays like a contender in the second half, i.e. beating strong teams, being hard to play against every game, in a manner that a whole season like that would have got them ion the playoffs, showing the learning curve and cohesion are behind them, then I think we will be more attractive to really good FA’s. But if they play like they have to season end, then perhaps Katz should cancel the arena deal and sell them to the highest US bidder, although the team at that point would be worth very little to anyone.

  116. Mr DeBakey says:

    Lowetide: they’ll want Eberle. Oilers won’t give. There’s no trade to be made.

    Schultz the Younger

  117. stevezie says:

    gvblackhawk: . [Signing a top pairing guy] is not a strategy that MacT will be able to use.

    Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but aren’t you defending MacT here? If we agree that he couldn’t have realistically signed a top pairing D man, then it isn’t really fair to criticize him his signings not addressing the lack of top pairing Dmen, is it?

  118. Lowetide says:

    Mr DeBakey: Schultz the Younger

    I hadn’t read the Flyers were looking for a puck moving defenseman. If that’s true, you’d want to showcase Schultz for a time because they’ve seen what we’ve seen.

  119. Lowetide says:

    Thinker:
    Lowetide,

    I feel like theres something i mised. I see the two as close to even. People should be pissed because it essentail changes the trade to smid for a two bit prospect.

    I don’t think so, the gap between the two goalies is close enough that we shouldn’t be surprised if Roy becomes the better pro. I mentioned it here:

    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2013/11/smid-traded-to-calgary.html

  120. Captain Smarmy says:

    Oilers Boycott is in full swing. (Admit it you’re jealous)

    Lions are the NFC North first placers!

  121. Thinker says:

    Lowetide,

    The bad prospect being horak, as roy for brossoit basically cancel out.

  122. 106 and 106 says:

    “The Oilers evaluated the situation and then decided to deal him to a division rival for marginal prospects. It’s not a franchise-devastating move, but getting 25 cents on the dollar for real NHL players is one way bad teams stay bad teams.”

    -The Bleacher Report (not LT).

    We Love our Oil Kings, that’s for sure.

  123. Lowetide says:

    Thinker:
    Lowetide,

    The bad prospect being horak, as roy for brossoit basically cancel out.

    I like Horak as a player, so don’t consider him a bad prospect. I don’t think there’s any way to frame the trade as a win talent-wise, and the cap saving is only useful if you use it. So, either the Oilers have something brewing OR the story is a back story we don’t know about at this time.

  124. bendelson says:

    Thinker:
    Lowetide,

    I feel like theres something i mised. I see the two as close to even. People should be pissed because it essentail changes the trade to smid for a two bit prospect.

    People should be pissed – yes.
    There’s something I missed – yes and no.

    The Oilers management see Brossoit as a blue-chip prospect. As you now know, It’s not really there in the numbers but they ‘know’ nevertheless. They are smarter than all of us. You can never lose sight of this – it’s critical to understanding how they operate.

    Why does Smid end up in Calgary if the above is untrue?

    I’ll suggest Brossoit gets a few games at the end of the season to ‘showcase’ those talents with the big club.

  125. Captain Smarmy says:

    It’s weird to me that I expect the Blades to be absolute dogshit this year and yet some how (thanks Scherbak) they’re miles better then where I thought the Oilers would be. Where you at Hunter? Let’s drunkpost!

  126. hunter1909 says:

    Katz’s 2013 Oilers = The undisputed laughingstock of the NHL.

  127. Captain Smarmy says:

    hunter1909:
    Katz’s 2013 Oilers = The undisputed laughingstock of the NHL.

    There you are! Katz is trash. Mediocre businessman peddling drugs to boomers while bilking rubes out of tax money for a glorious cathedral for his dog shit spoarts team.

  128. FastOil says:

    As fans it is hard to not swing between extremes where we conversely overvalue and undervalue players, this being driven by the natural swings in the game. Basically the runs of luck.

    Looking at the possible line ups, the rosters are surprisingly similar. I think the Oilers may actually have more talent in the forward group.

    The main difference is that the Hawks’ top line is veteran and they have a true top pairing. I don’t see their 2-4 lines as being loaded other than Kane. They have a lot of young players and reclaimed AHL types, none of whom are really scoring a ton. Their bottom 2 pairings are decent but not spectacular.

    Both teams are mixed with small and big players. Both defenses are based on puck movers more than size.

    Neither team has an elite goalie. These teams look very similar on paper to me.

    So why do they play so differently? How do the Hawks get such performance out of the bottom 9 forwards that aren’t much different than the Oilers?

    It has to be the team culture and the best player (Toews) being a driven two way player. Their players are buying in and doing what is asked. It makes the whole group look good, look better than ours but really as a whole they aren’t.

    Other than their top 4 forwards and top 2 D, if you took any of the rest and put them on the Oilers they wouldn’t be much different or any better than ours.

    I think Eakins is creating this culture. I am not saying he’s perfect, but he’s in control of himself which is good and is going in a direction that isn’t going to be diverted to appease players, which is also good. While their opinions should be heard, it isn’t up to them.

    What has top happen beyond that is sensibility in the GM’s chair. I never want to see another NHL player given away by the Oilers ever again. There are better ways to do things. I can’t help but wonder if Smid was traded over speaking up a bit, another reactionary move. That also has to stop because it is a sign that they aren’t going to hold onto an image of what the team should be.

    Without that, if you don’t even know what it is in specific you are trying to achieve, how could you possibly do it? Chiarelli in talking about trading Seguin was specific in what the Bruins are and how Seguin didn’t fit with the plan. So he knew he should trade him, and did it at the right time for a proper return. Not behind the 8 ball because he got pissed off or didn’t see the necessity of it coming. MacT needs to become that guy.

  129. Woodguy says:

    gvblackhawk:
    Woodguy,

    How many games do you think Gagner gets to turn his two-way game around before MacT is compelled to renege on his verbal no trade agreement?

    I think Gagner gets moved to the wing once they deal Hemsky

  130. Caramel Obvious says:

    FastOil,

    I was actually thinking the exact opposite. On the one hand, as you say, the rosters are remarkably similar. On the other, the Blackhawks version of the Oilers player is almost always better.

    For instance take a look at this list of comparable players:

    Hall is Hossa but not as good.
    Eberle is Sharp but probably not as good.
    Gagner is Kane but nowhere as good.
    Hopkins is Toews but nowhere as good.

    So where do the Oilers have an advantage. Obviously not the back end. There the Hawks are the Oilers if you added Keith and Seabrook.

    So basically in order for the Oilers to be as good as the Blackhawks all of their best players need to go supervova and they need to add the equivalents of Keith and Seabrook. That’s impossible.

    This is the reality the Oilers have to face. With all the supposed talk of young talent, and all the #1 picks, the Oilers talent is never going to match up with the best teams in the league. Now the Hawks have a great, great, team so may be it is an unfair comparison. Still, I think it shows that if they are going to compete the only way is to compete with depth up and down the lineup and that’s much easier said than done.

    Basically three things have to happen in order for the Oilers to be a good team, none of which is a sufficient cause on their own.

    1) The top end talent needs to find another level. This is far from guaranteed for young players don’t always get better.
    2) They need to add talent to the bottom of the roster. Obviously not guaranteed.
    3) They need to execute better.

    Realistically, the rebuild only started in the spring.

  131. Lowetide says:

    Crawford to start. Le crap.

  132. wheatnoil says:

    Lowetide:
    Crawford to start. Le crap.

    Crawford’s career stats vs Edmonton: 2-5-0, 3.08 GAA, .876 SV%

    So… at least there’s that.

  133. stevezie says:

    Lowetide,

    Well I’m rethinking me bet. Too late. Oh well.

  134. Gret99zky says:

    I wonder how long it will take for Smid to clearly see that the Flames’ management, coaching systems and practices are vastly different than the Oilers’.

  135. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    Crawford to start. Le crap.

    So Quennville won’t start his back up against the 29th place team who is on the second of a back to back and 3rd in 4 nights.

    Lots of confidence in Ol’ .818 Khabby!

    What’s Bowman’s back up plan?

    I guess they have Raanta in the AHL, but he’s only 12 games into his AHL career (.910, 24 years old)

    Crazy good in the SM-liiga with a .933 and .943 in the last 2 years.

    Surely CHI can’t go into the playoffs with Khabby as the back up?

  136. VanOil says:

    hunter1909:
    tonight is a guaranteed loss without shame…

    You constantly under estimate the Oilers. They are quite capable of turning this into a spectacularly shame full loss.

  137. stevezie says:

    Woodguy,

    From the sounds of it won’t they just call up Raanta if Crawford goes down? Like the year Keenan kept John Casey in the minors for the majority of the year so he would be fresh in case Fuhr went down and employed an official backup he never, ever played?

    I might be remembering wrong, but the idea still applies.

  138. TheOtherJohn says:

    On the “we’ve played well in 2 of our previous 3 games”. Are you kidding? Seriously I get the Oiler PR machine: employees, MSM etc say shit like that but we just had 4-0 and 5-0 effortless shutouts at home. Play the 29th place team and beat them 4-3 after being up 3-1. Have a decent game against a decent EC team and then completely shit the bed against a team with 22 goals YTD and allow 56 unblocked shots at our net and allow 4 goals against the 25th place team in the NHL. Scoring chances per Dennis King 24-13

    Other than that everything is a go!!

  139. Lowetide says:

    North Dakota MHockey ‏@UNDMHockey 1m

    Anaheim Ducks Director of Player Development Todd Marchant is in the building again tonight. A scout from Washington is here, too. #scouts?

    That’s interesting because Dillon Simpson will be playing in the UND game.

  140. Woodguy says:

    Woodguy: So Quennville won’t start his back up against the 29th place team who is on the second of a back to back and 3rd in 4 nights.

    Lots of confidence in Ol’ .818 Khabby!

    What’s Bowman’s back up plan?

    I guess they have Raanta in the AHL, but he’s only 12 games into his AHL career (.910, 24 years old)

    Crazy good in the SM-liiga with a .933 and .943 in the last 2 years.

    Surely CHI can’t go into the playoffs with Khabby as the back up?

    Forgot to start that with:

    Crawford saw 33 shots less than 24 hours ago in Dallas and Quennville wont start his back up…..

  141. Woodguy says:

    stevezie:
    Woodguy,

    From the sounds of it won’t they just call up Raanta if Crawford goes down? Like the year Keenan kept John Casey in the minors for the majority of the year so he would be fresh in case Fuhr went down and employed an official backup he never, ever played?

    I might be remembering wrong, but the idea still applies.

    You still have to find spots to rest your starter.

    This is the perfect spot with the Oilers playing their 3rd in 4, 2nd of B2B and CHI having played in DAL last night.

  142. TheOtherJohn says:

    That’d be spectacular news if we can flip Dillion Simpson for one of Anaheim’s top notch prospect goalies. How the bleep do they have 3 real strong prospects in the minors?

  143. stevezie says:

    Woodguy,

    You’ve got me feeling better about this bet.

  144. art vandelay says:

    Souray signed in the City of Chumps b/c he couldn’t get a contract anywhere else.
    He was desperate.
    Then the NHL Worst’s Franchise sold it to the suckers as a hometown return of a player, even though St. Paul isn’t Edmonton.
    Ference will be the same thing.
    I can’t wait to taste the bitter tears of reality when Alice Hemsky is unloaded on one of the other chumpstick franchises for a 3d-round pick. He’ll look good wearing a Panthers uni, going -18 in a couple dozen games before getting hurt again.

  145. Lowetide says:

    Hi Art!

  146. Woodguy says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    That’d be spectacular news if we can flip Dillion Simpson for one of Anaheim’s top notch prospect goalies. How the bleep do they have 3 real strong prospects in the minors?

    In 2011 they picked Gibson 37th after the Oilers took Musil 31st

    Grabbed Anderson 87th in 2012. He had been drafted in the 2010 draft by CAR and didn’t sign there.

    I don’t rate Bobkov much though (in AHL right now)

    Both HIller and Fasth were signed as free agents out of Europe.

    HIller from the Swiss league, Fasth from the SEL.

  147. Woodguy says:

    art vandelay:
    Souray signed in the City of Chumps b/c he couldn’t get a contract anywhere else.
    He was desperate.
    Then the NHL Worst’s Franchise sold it to the suckers as a hometown return of a player, even though St. Paul isn’t Edmonton.
    Ference will be the same thing.
    I can’t wait to taste the bitter tears of reality when Alice Hemsky is unloaded on one of the other chumpstick franchises for a 3d-round pick. He’ll look good wearing a Panthers uni, going -18 in a couple dozen games before getting hurt again.

    You are my sunshine

    My only sunshine

    You make me happy when skies are grey

    You’ll never know Art, how much I love you

    Please don’t take my sunshine away

  148. TheOtherJohn says:

    Woodguy: In 2011 they picked Gibson 37th after the Oilers took Musil 31st

    Grabbed Anderson 87th in 2012. He had been drafted in the 2010 draft by CAR and didn’t sign there.

    I don’t rate Bobkov much though (in AHL right now)

    Both HIller and Fasth were signed as free agents out of Europe.

    HIller from the Swiss league, Fasth from the SEL.

    Which means Oilers trade for Bobkov……………. Because Oilers

  149. Lowetide says:

    Marco Roy with 3 assists today, now 5, 2-8-10 on the season.

  150. FastOil says:

    Caramel Obvious,

    “I was actually thinking the exact opposite. On the one hand, as you say, the rosters are remarkably similar. On the other, the Blackhawks version of the Oilers player is almost always better.

    Hall is Hossa but not as good.
    Eberle is Sharp but probably not as good.
    Gagner is Kane but nowhere as good.
    Hopkins is Toews but nowhere as good.”

    This is what I was referring to in terms of our fan bias. We look at the Hawks or any good team and think every player they have is awesome, and they aren’t. The team is awesome and they get carried along. This leads other teams to make a lot of mistakes signing UFA’s from good teams and in trades. There are only a few special players on any team now because of the cap.

    Hall is going to be far better than Hossa, but right now Hossa is better because he is a decade and a half older. My point is that after Toews, Hossa, Sharp and Kane their roster isn’t special.

    The Oilers after Hall, RNH, Eberle and Yak still have Perron, Gagner, Gordon and Hemsky. That is a lot of quality. The thing is they aren’t playing as a team yet and there isn’t room for that in the NHL. It’s the same reason the Lames win when they shouldn’t.

    The Oilers currently have no answer to their top pairing, but after that we can match them talent wise.

  151. godot10 says:

    Woodguy: So Quennville won’t start his back up against the 29th place team who is on the second of a back to back and 3rd in 4 nights.

    Lots of confidence in Ol’ .818 Khabby!

    What’s Bowman’s back up plan?

    I guess they have Raanta in the AHL, but he’s only 12 games into his AHL career (.910, 24 years old)

    Crazy good in the SM-liiga with a .933 and .943 in the last 2 years.

    Surely CHI can’t go into the playoffs with Khabby as the back up?

    Chicago doesn’t have another game till Thursday, also at home.

    Labarbera will be going on waivers in a couple of weeks. He will be claimed with the goaltender injury issues out there. I expect MacT actually might try trading him to a team for a late round draft pick.

  152. Gret99zky says:

    Woodguy:
    Article on Smid adjusting to CAL http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/54260-Ladislav-Smid-adjusts-to-life-in-Calgary-including-Hartleys-tough-practices.html

    Good Grief. This articles begins:

    Acquired Friday night, Smid was drafted by Edmonton ninth overall in the 2004 NHL Entry Draft, most famous for Alexander Ovechkin and Evgeni Malkin going one-two.

    So much for accurate reporting.

  153. Gret99zky says:

    Woodguy: So Quennville won’t start his back up against the 29th place team who is on the second of a back to back and 3rd in 4 nights.

    Sounds like they want to lay a good old fashioned beat down on a team that’s already down and out.

    Good for them.

    Mercy is for the weak.

    “Strike first, strike hard, strike fast, no mercy sir!”

  154. Lowetide says:

    Hemsky is scratched.

  155. Lowetide says:

    Well, I don’t want him injured and I don’t want him traded, so maybe he’s drunk? #Helplessly Hoping

  156. bendelson says:

    Lowetide,

    If it’s a healthy scratch, my condolences LT.
    Would 3 goals from Yakupov tonight help ease your pain?

  157. Messier11edm says:

    Hemsky a healthy scratch…. Something imminent???

  158. DBO says:

    Nick Alberga ‏@thegoldenmuzzy 4m
    Ales Hemsky scratched tonight for #Oilers..Make of that what you will
    Retweeted by Lowetide

  159. Lowetide says:

    The most likely thing is he tweaked something, but after Friday I don’t know. It feels real.

  160. stevezie says:

    Anyone have a good stream lined up?

  161. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Edmonton Oilers ✔ @EdmontonOilers
    Error on @NHL’s official roster report. Hemsky is playing tonight after all. Gazdic & Acton not dressed for #Oilers tonight.

  162. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    They are just fucking with us…

    why?

    … because Oilers…

  163. DBO says:

    So Dillon Simpson scouted, Hemsky scratched. Solid duo for a deal. Simpson is buried on the blue prospect wise. Two good pieces. Anaheim? Rangers? Philly? Caps?

    I like our lineup tonight. But no Hemsky changes things. Rumour me dammit, rumour meee!!!

  164. Lowetide says:

    Hemsky NOT scratched now. Jesus.

  165. DBO says:

    And fuck you NHL . Moved to Newfoundland last week. Two games blacked out on sportsnet west cause we are in the “area”?!?!??? WTF. At least it’s 9 pm and I’ve half pissed.

  166. Lowetide says:

    This anthem atmosphere is old now but I still love it.

  167. russ99 says:

    I’m in Chi-town and I’m passing on my usual trip to the new Ol’ Barn tonight.

    1) Cheap tickets are $87 (nearly double that it was before the first Cup win) and that’s too much to stomach to see a bad Oilers team. Note to Katz and Lowe – win some Cups, ticket prices go way, way up. :)

    2) I can be humiliated at home watching the game on TV, plus I can’t get arrested for flinging my Oilers jersey on the ice in disgust.

    Hope they surprise me tonight…

  168. icecastles says:

    Oilers looking really good so far.

    By which I mean that I like their uniforms.

  169. Doomoil says:

    Belov’s don’t give a fuck demeanour is my favorite thing this year.

  170. Gerta Rauss says:

    The game is being broadcast on WGN Chicago as well. Ch 259 on Shaw on the West Coast. What is odd is that the broadcast is a full 2 minutes ahead on the Sportsnet broadcast.

  171. Lowetide says:

    WGN broadcast called Joensuu Joan-S-you before correcting. And RNH is Nugent-Hopkin

  172. hunter1909 says:

    I can’t watch this. It’s cruelty.
    lol

    Enjoy the game, folks.

  173. russ99 says:

    Lowetide,

    Foley’s a legend, I’ll forgive a few mispronunciations.

  174. Lowetide says:

    WGN: How can you be up against the cap and your team is no good?

  175. Gerta Rauss says:

    Lowetide:
    WGN: How can you be up against the cap and your team is no good?

    ahahahahah….it’s still 0-0 in the game I’m watching though.

    Whistler Brewing Whiskey jack Ale tonight. The alcohol dulls the pain.

  176. icecastles says:

    Lowetide: WGN broadcast called Joensuu Joan-S-you before correcting

    Called him Joesenu once too. But they had fawning words for Hall so I’m okay with them.

  177. russ99 says:

    Lowetide,

    Pat Foley is as old school as it gets. :)

    Oh man, what I wouldn’t give for another one of those old 8-6 Oiler wins back in the day with Foley and Tallon (yes, that Tallon) in the booth.

    A good question too.

  178. russ99 says:

    I know there’s plenty of other Chicago-based Oilers fans around, and i have to wonder:

    Why don’t we have an “Oilers Bar” to watch the games at yet?

  179. VanOil says:

    More shots of Eakins please

  180. russ99 says:

    When are these guys going to learn that laying on the ice helps the opponent?

  181. denny33 says:

    Lowetide,

    TSN Radio Winnipeg to Derek Van Diest;

    Given the state of your defence core, how can you trade Smid?

    Long pause……salary dump.

  182. Thor762 says:

    VanOil:
    More shots of Eakins please

    Yes.
    Was just thinking the same thing.

  183. russ99 says:

    What a sad state of affairs.

    The Oilers are a dump and chase team after decades of disdaining the Hawks for using that strategy….

  184. Lowetide says:

    Icing appears to be the go-to play for the Oilers here. Sleepy.

  185. Lowetide says:

    Oh that Dubnyk!

  186. russ99 says:

    Awful.

    Huge swaths of this period look like the Hawks are on the power play, and we have 5 skaters on the ice.

  187. kooler says:

    Tough one.

  188. VanOil says:

    I said tell me your name is it sweet?
    She said my boy it’s dagger

  189. Nightman_ says:

    turned the game on, and a minute later the hawks score. how has edm been playing?

  190. kooler says:

    Hit the net please.

  191. Alsker says:

    Its training camp scrimmage…lomgshots vs starters…someone forgot to pay postage on the mail it in letter. This is pathetic.

  192. Alsker says:

    We had possession what twice in the last 15 minutes

  193. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lollygagers… all.

    Is it that hard to skate around a little bit?

    Why was 89 just lingering in the d-zone on that goal…

    Why can’t they just try — for once in 7 years — to back check… I really think they’d be surprised by the results.

    (I have no idea why Omark is considered less defensive minded in light of the construction of our team… if anything he’s an upgrade in terms of defensively responsible forwards)

  194. Lowetide says:

    11-6 shots, I thought Dubnyk had a good period–the goal was a complete fluke but a nice play by Saad. Oilers started well, but went a long stretch without doing anything in the Chicago zone. They’re trying, God love them, the coverage and backchecking has been much better.

    The thing is, you have to do it for three periods every night and there’s been zero indication they’re willing and able to do it.

  195. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    C’mon Gene and Nick… if you think you played well in that period… well, whatever, we’ve got problems.

  196. Alsker says:

    Look at the brightside, after gags went 1-4 in the dot he got pulled from face-offs. Someones paying attention, unfortunately he doesnt have a uniform on.

  197. Alsker says:

    Lowetide:
    11-6 shots, I thought Dubnyk had a good period–the goal was a complete fluke but a nice play by Saad. Oilers started well, but went a long stretch without doing anything in the Chicago zone. They’re trying, God love them, the coverage and backchecking has been much better.

    The thing is, you have to do it for three periods every night and there’s been zero indication they’re willing and able to do it.

    First you need to do it a whole period!! let alone 3, appreciate your effort to see what little good there was but watching them follow the Hawks around all night is not going to work. We’re not the Devils with Brodeur and the trap(we dont have Brodeur).

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