OILERS AT BLACKHAWKS G19, 13-14

The Oilers are 1-2 on the road trip, and after a grievous performance in Philadelphia (another low ebb, incredibly) the club hits Chi-town wobbly, inert and indifferent. This hockey club is in trouble.

wood says assI don’t know about any lineup changes, but there were some passengers yesterday so Eakins will probably get a lot better effort (the crew didn’t exactly leave it all out there yesterday afternoon). I’m of two minds on this: first, this is going to be a long season and the Smid trade drives home the reality of a season lost. The club still doesn’t have enough NHL players and balance (sweet, sweet balance) and Dallas Eakins system appears to be written in Sanskrit based on the amount of time it’s taking to figure things out. So, it’s a failure of management, coaching and personnel that gets us here.

Second, we’re seeing some terrible things now. Taylor Hall was stunningly bad on coverage for the second goal, and then heard that damn dog whistle later in the game during a moment when the puck’s possession was still in doubt. He should have been the guy retrieving the puck on the play, or at the very least supporting, but buddy was going jailbreak ala Robert Nilsson. Ghastly. As you know, I’m onside with Taylor Hall’s skills all day, and have never doubted his buy-in about being the alpha and a leader, so his lollygagging is an extremely bad sign. I may have misread the play, and maybe he was confused, but that’s the kind of action that starts creeping into the game when players have absolutely tuned out the coach. Whoever brought that GD dog whistle into the Oilers game needs to be shot and pissed upon.

st marieWe’ve talked a lot in the last couple of days about ‘another shoe to drop’ after Smid’s exit and Bryzgalov’s signing. I think the Oilers would be open to a deal but it has to make sense, and if they wait the return may be greater. Ales Hemsky is the asset in play, I don’t think there can be any doubt at this point. The Oilers will have received offers for Eberle and Yakupov, but trading either doesn’t make any real sense–even if you’re getting 100 cents on the dollar. The future promised includes both in the script, and it is pure nonsense to entertain offers that don’t include players who can have greater impact (Subban, etc) and are of a similar age. Those trades rarely happen, because they’re insane.

The Hemsky trade could come at any time, the money moved this weekend probably sets that up. Now it’s a matter of how much overpay is required for the dollars Edmonton will keep from the Hemsky contract. That would probably come in the form of a pick, but this is just guessing.

bill-white-325That’s Bill White playing for the Blackhawks 40 years ago, with a helmeted Guy Lafleur in pursuit. White arrived in the NHL as a fully formed being–he was stuck in the minors during the pre-expansion era and didn’t play in the big leagues until 28. Once there, White was a brilliant player for Los Angeles and Chicago through the mid-70′s (he would coach the Hawks for a time, then coach in the OHA–Charlie Huddy played for him on a very good Oshawa Generals team 1977-78), using his lanky frame and passing ability to impact the game.

Anton Belov’s arrival in Edmonton should be considered a wonderful gift, and the Oilers can’t let him get away (it happens, Jan Hejda flew the coop before they could get him under contract–in fact, as I recall, the Oilers were indifferent about Hejda–allowing Columbus to swoop in). With Ladislav Smid’s being sent away, next year’s opening night blue (with Belov and rfa’s signed) might look like this:

  1. Belov-Petry
  2. Ference-J Schultz

And then Larsen, Fedun etc along with prospects Nurse, Klefbom et al. Keeping Belov has suddenly become very important. And getting a true No. 1 blue is of course vital.

mikita5In my lifetime, Chicago has been strong several times, but not like they are today. The current Hawks are SO strong they were able to discard Kris Versteeg, Andrew Ladd, Dustin Byfuglien, Brian Campbell, and others when a large number of bonus dollars were added after the 2010 Stanley win. One true thing about Chicago’s run from 2009 through today is their ability to maintain strength up the middle while also adjusting the deck chairs.

  • 2009-10 centers: Jonathan Toews, John Madden, Patrick Sharp, Dave Bolland, Colin Fraser
  • 2010-11 centers:  Jonathan Toews, Dave Bolland, Jake Dowell, Patrick Sharp, Ryan Johnson
  • 2011-12 centers: Jonathan Toews, Dave Bolland, Marcus Kruger, Patrick Kane, Jamal Mayers, Patrick Sharp
  • 2012-13 centers: Jonathan Toews, Dave Bolland, Marcus Kruger, Andrew Shaw
  • 2013-14 centers: Jonathan Toews, Marcus Kruger, Andrew Shaw, Brandon Pirri, Michael Handzus

That’s some first class adlibbing there, and a nice bit of drafting (especially on Shaw). Now, Toews at the top of the list obviously has a lot to do with their success, but if you look at how they’ve managed to replace Madden and then Bolland (and move Sharp to wing) it’s a solid bit of management/coaching. It should be noted that Shaw, Kruger and Pirri were all drafted after Edmonton selected Lander and all have arrived as NHL players before him.

By comparison, the Oilers have been MORE stable (certainly since 2011 fall) but the results haven’t been there. Why? One reason is youth–the Nuge is a wonderful player but he’s been facing older players and there are times (like yesterday) when he gets manhandled. Gagner doesn’t have the range of skills that a Bolland possesses, and the club did add Boyd Gordon but subtracted Shawn Horcoff this past summer.

When we talk about the situation at center, it’s always a ‘big, 2-way C’ coming in, but for me I’d prefer a ‘veteran 2-way center’ to come in, size be damned. The Oilers build up the middle needs another center, and if he’s so good that Gagner has to play wing (ala Sharp) so be it. We talked about it all summer, but center is a massive need. Again. Still.

hasekThe goaltending issue in Chicago is stable at the front, party at the back. The club drafted Corey Crawford right after Edmonton selected Colin McDonald back in 2003, and like Devan Dubnyk took some time before establishing himself as an NHL starting goalie. Crawford’s SP over the years is interesting compared to Dubnyk

CRAWFORD-DUBNYK EV SP, BY YEAR

  • 2010-11: .924 to .921 (Crawford with the better number)
  • 2011-12: .915 to .927  (Dubnyk with the better number)
  • 2012-13: .934 to .922 (Crawford with the better number)
  • 2013-14: .933 to .872 (Crawford with the better number)

I’m still onside with Dubnyk as the Oilers goalie of the future, but the Bryzgalov move is understandable. If you’re Craig MacTavish, watching the goals go in early and being patient haven’t paid off so you make a smaller move because a big one may not be needed (if Dubnyk can turn it around). The one thing that has changed? Dubnyk’s no longer the incumbent who has to be clearly beaten to win the No. 1 job–this is open audition time starting now. May the best man win, and I still believe that’s Dubnyk.

Tonight, we may get Khabibulin versus LaBarbera, which is its own kind of crazy.

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  1. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: They’re trying, God love them, the coverage and backchecking has been much better.

    Not seeing it.

    I’m seeing a lot of missed assignments, sleepwalking, cheating for offence and wandering aimlessly…

    On that 5-bell Toews chance… we had possession at our own blueline heading toward centre… all 3 forwards and 1 D were way ahead of the play (offside in soccer), turnover leads to 3 on N. Schultz from within our own half of the ice… brutal.

  2. Lowetide says:

    Alsker: First you need to do it a whole period!! let alone 3, appreciate your effort to see what little good there was but watching follow the Hawks around all night is not going to work.We’re not the Devils with Brodeur and the trap(we dont have Brodeur).

    They played well early, then sagged, but there were some good things in the period. Hall was imo especially noticeable without the puck, and the guys who struggled (I’ll pick on Fedun and Arco) are the guys we’d expect them to be.

  3. Lowetide says:

    Dennis King ‏@DKingBH 4m

    First period chances: 3-4

  4. Doomoil says:

    Is it too late to get back on the trade Gagner bandwagon?

  5. theres oil in virginia says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    The game is being broadcast on WGN Chicago as well. Ch 259 on Shaw on the West Coast.What is odd is that the broadcast is a full 2 minutes ahead on the Sportsnet broadcast.

    They must have Sportsnet on delay for the purpose of editing out all of Gene’s F-bombs!

  6. Nightman_ says:

    Lowetide:
    11-6 shots, I thought Dubnyk had a good period–the goal was a complete fluke but a nice play by Saad. Oilers started well, but went a long stretch without doing anything in the Chicago zone. They’re trying, God love them, the coverage and backchecking has been much better.

    The thing is, you have to do it for three periods every night and there’s been zero indication they’re willing and able to do it.

    Thanks LT. It’s been tough to watch them lose over and over. What keeps me going are these

    small improvements and that eakins seems to be sticking to a process despite results.

  7. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    11-6 shots, I thought Dubnyk had a good period–the goal was a complete fluke but a nice play by Saad. Oilers started well, but went a long stretch without doing anything in the Chicago zone. They’re trying, God love them, the coverage and backchecking has been much better.

    The thing is, you have to do it for three periods every night and there’s been zero indication they’re willing and able to do it.

    See, this is part of the problem I’m having. Seasons past the Oilers would freelance and win a few, but generally showed that if they could adopt some structure they might win more than they lost.

    This season, the structure almost looks like it has let all the air out of the positivity balloon.

    I won’t blame Eakins’ system because it makes too much sense.

    I can’t say that the talent isn’t there, because it is, in spades.

    I’m left thinking it is a personnel problem or something beyond our ken.

    At least in the previous seasons we could say they weren’t good enough.

  8. theres oil in virginia says:

    Lowetide: They played well early, then sagged, but there were some good things in the period. Hall was imo especially noticeable without the puck, and the guys who struggled (I’ll pick on Fedun and Arco) are the guys we’d expect them to be.

    The big problem I see is the failure to clear the zone when there is a good opportunity to do so. (Hemsky once, Arcobello once, Petry once – I think the SN crew was talking about it during intermission, but I missed most of the segment. That one by Arcobello was a head-shaker.) It’s almost cost them already, and it’s going to cost them soon.

  9. Lowetide says:

    RexLibris: See, this is part of the problem I’m having. Seasons past the Oilers would freelance and win a few, but generally showed that if they could adopt some structure they might win more than they lost.

    This season, the structure almost looks like it has let all the air out of the positivity balloon.

    I won’t blame Eakins’ system because it makes too much sense.

    I can’t say that the talent isn’t there, because it is, in spades.

    I’m left thinking it is a personnel problem or something beyond our ken.

    At least in the previous seasons we could say they weren’t good enough.

    I think this is the period where the kids are learning to be more than one dimensional hockey players. We’ve talked about this before, the kids currently are all Gilbert Perreaults–go out there and have fun–and Eakins is trying to give them a dash of Don Luce–make sure everyone is safely out of th zone before you turn the lights off, Don.

  10. Lowetide says:

    theres oil in virginia: The big problem I see is the failure to clear the zone when there is a good opportunity to do so.(Hemsky once, Arcobello once, Petry once – I think the SN crew was talking about it during intermission, but I missed most of the segment. That one by Arcobello was a head-shaker.)It’s almost cost them already, and it’s going to cost them soon.

    Yes, and that’s what they need to improve. This would be way less painful if the goaltending had been better through the first 20 games, but it wasn’t and now it seems to be turning north and the kids are fumbling into the dungeon.

  11. G Money says:

    RexLibris: See, this is part of the problem I’m having. Seasons past the Oilers would freelance and win a few, but generally showed that if they could adopt some structure they might win more than they lost.

    This season, the structure almost looks like it has let all the air out of the positivity balloon.

    I won’t blame Eakins’ system because it makes too much sense.

    I can’t say that the talent isn’t there, because it is, in spades.

    I’m left thinking it is a personnel problem or something beyond our ken.

    At least in the previous seasons we could say they weren’t good enough.

    Rex,

    I’ve been as negative as anyone lately – but I won’t get on the “blame Eakinz” bandwagon until 25 games in, and also once he’s had a mostly complete team for at least five games or so … Clock starts today on the latter…

  12. Rebilled says:

    That is rad.

  13. Lowetide says:

    RNH (Perron, Larsen)

  14. FastOil says:

    I’m sure I can play hockey as good as the Oilers are right now (except Dubnyk). It’s almost like rec league how easy it is for the Hawks.

  15. Nightman_ says:

    my stream dies, and they score hahaha

  16. Rondo says:

    Nightman_,

    Try Lemon tv

  17. FastOil says:

    Missed the goal typing my snarky comment. I’ll keep it up just in case :)

  18. Doomoil says:

    Is it too late to get off the trade Gagner Bandwagon?

  19. Lowetide says:

    Penalty shot for Gagner, wonderful pass by Eberle.

  20. Doomoil says:

    I’m back on the wagon.

  21. FastOil says:

    Gagner – clutch!

  22. Nightman_ says:

    Rondo:
    Nightman_,

    Try Lemon tv

    thanks

  23. stevezie says:

    RexLibris: I’m left thinking it is a personnel problem or something beyond our ken.

    At least in the previous seasons we could say they weren’t good enough.

    I’m ready to admit I don’t know.

  24. Cameron says:

    RexLibris,

    RexLibris:

    I can’t say that the talent isn’t there, because it is, in spades.

    I think the talent at the top end of the roster (Hall, Eberle, The Nuge, JSchultz, Yak) is exceptional, but unrefined. I think the talent level after the top 5-6 guys is actually quite bad – like, Florida or Columbus bad.

    For me, the poster-child of what ails the Oilers is still Sam Gagner. A 2nd line C who can’t win a face-off, check, play defensively, or drive possession.

  25. Lowetide says:

    Yakupov with a nice shot there.

  26. icecastles says:

    Yak!!! Open the food gates .

  27. Thor762 says:

    YAK!!!

  28. VanOil says:

    Trade that bum for a back up goalie

  29. theres oil in virginia says:

    Yak’s stick handling looks very good tonight.

  30. Lowetide says:

    Yakupov (Larsen, Eberle)

    Larsen is a nice add, don’t know where he’ll play when Schultz the younger returns but he’s going to be here awhile i’d guess.

  31. Rebilled says:

    Sophomore goal.

  32. FastOil says:

    Lowetide:
    Yakupov (Larsen, Eberle)

    Larsen is a nice add, don’t know where he’ll play when Schultz the younger returns but he’s going to be here awhile i’d guess.

    Can he play left? Could pair him with JS.

  33. Lowetide says:

    FastOil: Can he play left? Could pair him with JS.

    Don’t know. If the left side is Belov, Ference, N Schultz (and then Klefbom when they trade Schultz) and the RH side is Petry, J Schultz and Larsen, who is left out? Fedun?

  34. VanOil says:

    One year, possibly many years from now, the Oilers will drive the Blackhawks bat shit crazy in a playoff series.

  35. FastOil says:

    Lowetide: Don’t know. If the left side is Belov, Ference, N Schultz (and then Klefbom when they trade Schultz) and the RH side is Petry, J Schultz and Larsen, who is left out? Fedun?

    Sorry I was being a smart ass. Although as long as they had the puck no one could score on them.

  36. Lowetide says:

    Shots now 15 each.

  37. Nuckout says:

    VanOil:
    One year, possibly many years from now, the Oilers will drive the Blackhawks bat shit crazy in a playoff series.

    Well, if they didn’t piss away the season in 10 games flat, that could have happened this year. If they keep playing like this for the rest of the year, they may get out of the basement.

    Also, why did they pick up Mr. Universe again? Something to do with Dubnyk sucking?

  38. Henry says:

    Can someone remind me why we need to trade Hemsky?

  39. Pouzar says:

    Larsen can pinch and get back FAST. Hopefully he keeps it up. Getting lots of ice time.

  40. stevezie says:

    Classy of Jonessu to set Dubby up for a great save like that.

  41. Pouzar says:

    Terrible play Captain.

  42. VanOil says:

    Henry:
    Can someone remind me why we need to trade Hemsky?

    He did not kiss the ring of Hall of Fame reporters

  43. theres oil in virginia says:

    Fuck that! If Hall makes that slash that Sharp just took on Petry, he’s in the box.

  44. Lowetide says:

    What a freak show that goal was for the Oilers.

  45. theres oil in virginia says:

    Way too many saucers up the middle.

  46. TheOtherJohn says:

    How the bleep did Hall get that behind the Hawk D? Oh yeah, cheating

  47. VanOil says:

    Dubby will improve his SV% tonight. His G/A maybe not but that is hardly his fault.

  48. Colieo87 says:

    WOWOWOW, nice rush edmonton, but then got a solid save buy dubs but then scored on! why do we always play so good against the hawks.

  49. jake70 says:

    The Oil making some beauty passes into the slot……in both ends.

  50. Henry says:

    VanOil: He did not kiss the ring of Hall of Fame reporters

    Spector will make the hof when i win a Nobel.

  51. kooler says:

    Think dub knows there’s another goalie lined up. Well done so far.

    Some horrible give aways tonight. Half a good game.

  52. Alsker says:

    Man has Chitown turned it up after a very good 15 minutes…we look like we’re back to where we were in the first. Seriously fragile psyche ….

  53. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lollygagers.

  54. VanOil says:

    Henry: Spector will make the hof when i win a Nobel.

    Spector is an amateur at trading Hemsky compared to Matty. Jones just does it every now an then to remain in the club.

  55. Lowetide says:

    That was a wonky period, good things, awful things. 2-2 after two, and if you told me Chicago is going to score a TD in the third I wouldn’t be surprised.

    but you know what? It’s coming. I swear to God almighty it’s coming.

  56. Southern Oil says:

    Thank god the period ended there. There was another goal or two from the Hawks coming. Hopefully Eakins can get the guys to settle down.

  57. FastOil says:

    I wonder if they are still trying to cut off passing options instead of cutting off lanes to the net. It’s weird how they let guys go wherever they want unchallenged and constantly get out-manned in scoring areas.

  58. Lowetide says:

    Dennis King ‏@DKingBH 1m

    Second period chances: 10-10; 4-3 ST. After 40 min: 13-14; 4-3 ST

  59. TheOtherJohn says:

    Lowetide:
    That was a wonky period, good things, awful things. 2-2 after two, and if you told me Chicago is going to score a TD in the third I wouldn’t be surprised.

    but you know what? It’s coming. I swear to God almighty it’s coming.

    Of course an optimist says that because the alternative is unthinkable. Evidence to support both conclusions. If they don’t start to comprehend rudimentary Defense we are the Atlsnta Thrashers.

  60. Lowetide says:

    TheOtherJohn: Of course an optimist says that because the alternative is unthinkable. Evidence to support both conclusions. If they don’t start to comprehend rudimentary Defense we are the Atlsnta Thrashers.

    Sure, I understand and they’ve had 19 games and it’s barely starting to sink in (and that’s a tell if there ever was one). What I’m seeing (I believe) is that they’re really digging in and trying–and the right guys too, Hall & Hemsky and Eberle & Nuge and Perron. Good days for them.

  61. theres oil in virginia says:

    Lowetide:
    That was a wonky period, good things, awful things. 2-2 after two, and if you told me Chicago is going to score a TD in the third I wouldn’t be surprised.

    but you know what? It’s coming. I swear to God almighty it’s coming.

    I see it too, but these guys have to stop with the panic plays. First period was failing to clear, second period was serving the puck into the middle in the d-zone. All the hard work and progress goes out the window with a handful of extraordinarily bad plays.

  62. Lowetide says:

    theres oil in virginia: I see it too, but these guys have to stop with the panic plays.First period was failing to clear, second period was serving the puck into the middle in the d-zone.All the hard work and progress goes out the window with a handful of extraordinarily bad plays.

    you bet. But it’s going to take time because kids.

  63. Lowetide says:

    There’s another example of Hall working hard after a turnover to get the play back to a zero result going the other way.

  64. Pouzar says:

    What happened to that Finnish goalie that signed with the Hawks and we missed out on?
    His agent should be fired if playing in the NHL was his goal.

  65. Henry says:

    theres oil in virginia: I see it too, but these guys have to stop with the panic plays.First period was failing to clear, second period was serving the puck into the middle in the d-zone.All the hard work and progress goes out the window with a handful of extraordinarily bad plays.

    I had Gagner with the worst giveaway to thr slot and the captain with two terrible tosses through the middle. There was at least one other but i couldnt spot the culprit.

  66. theres oil in virginia says:

    Lowetide: you bet. But it’s going to take time because kids.

    Yep, that’s true, but Ference dern’t qualify for that!

  67. pboy says:

    Gagner, Joensuu and Ference have been fucking terrible tonight. If Yak made half the dumb plays either 6 or 89 have made, he wouldn’t see the ice again AND be a healthy scratch next game. I’d like to see some of that accountability from Coach Eakins. 3 lines for the 3rd period with 6,89 & 28 stapled to the bench.

    Dubnyk has played great.

  68. Zelepukin says:

    Jones, doing his best Horcoff stick-handling impression.

  69. VanOil says:

    Have Chicago had a power play all period?

  70. pboy says:

    If MacT could trade Gagner + for Martin Hanzal, I would buy for everyone on this blog. I can’t get over the fact that Gagner turns his brain off in his own zone still. 7 fucking years!!!!

  71. Lowetide says:

    Dubnyk just cannot play a complete game without doing something like that. I swear we’re watching a guy melt before our eyes. Damn that one hurts.

  72. fuzzy muppet says:

    And Dubnyk…

  73. VanOil says:

    Well you must be a boy with bones like that
    She said you got me wrong
    I would’ve sold them to you
    If I could’ve just have kept the last of my clothes on

  74. icecastles says:

    It’s like Dubnyk has been modeling his game after those cheesy action movies where the hero makes a cool move then freezes in his finishing pose for a few dramatic moments.

  75. pboy says:

    Lowetide:
    Dubnyk just cannot play a complete game without doing something like that. I swear we’re watching a guy melt before our eyes. Damn that one hurts.

    Crawford has given up that exact same rebound but his D clear the puck. Makes a difference.

  76. pboy says:

    theCaptainandrewference has had a dogshit game tonight. I hope he mentions that in the presser.

  77. FastOil says:

    Nice play by Yak

  78. Henry says:

    Wonderful pass by smyth

  79. TheOtherJohn says:

    Per Jonathan Willis

    “I’ve got the scoring chances at +12/-20 through two. Dubnyk’s killing it.”

  80. fuzzy muppet says:

    Nice job Boys…

  81. Pouzar says:

    Larsen is my new fav.

  82. FastOil says:

    Bohologo:
    Perron! He’s a jerk, but he’s our jerk.

    Not sure if Larsen is a jerk or not, but he’s got three points tonight, correct?

    Ya but is he even? He’s MAB tonight.

  83. SK Oiler Fan says:

    holy f that’s a weak call on 6

  84. Henry says:

    Chicago, detroit and montreal get that call. No one else.

  85. VanOil says:

    Chelsea I believe that when your dancing
    Slowly sucking your sleeve
    That all the boys get lonely after you leave
    And it’s one for the Dagger and another for the one you believe

  86. SK Oiler Fan says:

    WTF are Gagner and Perron looking at there? Switching brain off over own blue line is an accurate description. I’ve seen Novice players with better awareness.

  87. icecastles says:

    Unfortunate. Dubnyk had a good screen in front of him… not sure if he could see all of it or not, but think he had a tough time getting across being draped like that.

    In other news, does anyone know what Vanoil is typing/singing?

  88. Alsker says:

    Did we really have 4 guys watching the puck carrier? Wow, mo really wow!! Im sure it will Larsens fault again,lol. Inconsistent doesn’t cut it, Epic!! better

  89. dsr29 says:

    Dubnyk again. Play great in spurts and let in two garbage goals when the game is in the balance. It’s deja vu all over again.

  90. FastOil says:

    How can they constantly let guys go to the net and not cover them? It makes no sense to me.

  91. Henry says:

    VanOil:
    Chelsea I believe that when your dancing
    Slowly sucking your sleeve
    That all the boys get lonely after you leave
    And it’s one for the Dagger and another for the one you believe

    An old Perry Como ditty.

  92. Lowetide says:

    the humane thing to do is take old Yeller out and shoot him.

  93. dsr29 says:

    Sorry make that three garbage goals

  94. LMHF#1 says:

    Dubnyk has to stop the Krueger chance. It was terrible D, but he made that incredibly easy.

    And then a point shot…

    Bring on the Bryz.

  95. fuzzy muppet says:

    Wow, Dubnyk might play himself out of the league. That’s horrible

  96. icecastles says:

    I was in the process of typing that this feels like Chicago’s about to open the lead.

    Chicago colour guy “and he somehow surprises Dubnyk from 45 feet away.”

    Yeah. Somehow.

  97. Henry says:

    Nice job ref. We all know the Hawks are supposed to win but do you have to make it so obvious?

  98. VanOil says:

    I was good she was hot
    Stealin’ everything she got
    I was bold she was over the worst of it

    (sorry for singing along but that is the best goal celly song in hockey)

  99. D says:

    Did Dubnyk just let in a 45 foot goal? That’s never happened before.

  100. theres oil in virginia says:

    icecastles:
    Unfortunate. Dubnyk had a good screen in front of him… not sure if he could see all of it or not, but think he had a tough time getting across being draped like that.

    In other news, does anyone know what Vanoil is typing/singing?

    The Blackhawks goal song “Chelsea Dagger”. Here comes another refrain.

  101. stevezie says:

    Bohologo: Yup. Did everything there but hurt the goalie just now.

    Doesn’t apply. MAB hurt a good goalie.

  102. Lowetide says:

    Apparently that last shot hit Petry? I did not see that. I take back my Dubnyk anger.

  103. pboy says:

    When Is Gagner going get a HS? He’s been horrible since he’s been back and the mistakes he’s making in his own end are inexcusable for a veteran to be making. If Yak or his agent are complaining that he’s been held to a different standard than some of the other players, they could point to Gagner for an example.

    Hall’s been a beast tonight and he’s playing hard for 200 ft.

    The Oilers defence hasn’t done Dubnyk any favors tonight.

  104. godot10 says:

    Perron is pretty awful defensively. He fits right in.

  105. russ99 says:

    OKC has a home game Wednesday vs. San Antonio. If Bryz plays in that one, would he be ready for Friday in Edmonton vs. the Sharks?

  106. stevezie says:

    See? Perron has the good sense to hurt the other team.

  107. icecastles says:

    Lowetide: I take back my Dubnyk anger.

    I don’t.

    HAHAHAHA thank god Perron is our jerk! I shouldn’t laugh. But… HAHAHAHA!! (wear a visor, dumbass)

  108. Lowetide says:

    Perron shot a puck it hit Roszival, not good.

  109. VanOil says:

    Is Perron pricky enough to do that on purpose?

  110. Andy P says:

    Having a goalie perform like that has to suck the life out of any team.

  111. gr8one says:

    VanOil:
    Is Perron pricky enough to do that on purpose?

    No way…

    You could also see immediate concern from Perron, he clearly felt bad.

  112. russ99 says:

    Yikes, that looked awful. Bloody chicklets. Just what I wanna see on a Sunday evening.

  113. LMHF#1 says:

    Lowetide:
    Apparently that last shot hit Petry? I did not see that. I take back my Dubnyk anger.

    Doesn’t matter. He has to make himself big and he’s completely forgotten how to do so. Some of those have to hit you. Right now almost none of them are.

  114. FastOil says:

    Lowetide:
    Apparently that last shot hit Petry? I did not see that. I take back my Dubnyk anger.

    If they had the lane blocked and position on the Hawks forwards way less chance that happens. Definitely not on Dubnyk.

    He is having a rough game but like everyone else his confidence is shaken. I think he’d be better if the team wasn’t playing so poorly.

  115. Andy P says:

    Who read Yak’s lips there? :)

  116. stevezie says:

    Lowetide: Apparently that last shot hit Petry? I did not see that. I take back my Dubnyk anger.

    I didn’t see it hit anybody on my fuzzy stream but I’ll take your word.

    Respect the Tartar.

  117. fuzzy muppet says:

    Well these officials are awful as usual

  118. jake70 says:

    Refs are a joke again.

  119. stevezie says:

    Wait what? Buy me dinner first, ref.

  120. SK Oiler Fan says:

    come on NHL that’s bush. You can’t call the penalty on who it is. That would be even up for any NA player.

  121. Andy P says:

    Now that’s what I’m talking about!

  122. gr8one says:

    Bohologo:
    Perron totally did that on purpose.

    He’s our jerk.

    Completely disagree.

    Well, about it being on purpose, not about him being our jerk.

    and FFS, I don’t normally bitch about officiating but this shit is getting fucking ridiculous, like the Oilers don’t have enough going against them.

  123. theres oil in virginia says:

    Sorry for all the f-bombs, but…fuck you refs.

  124. D says:

    How come the Oil looked better shorthanded there?

  125. russ99 says:

    Is that our first shorty of the year?

  126. LMHF#1 says:

    Does anyone remember the Tommy Salo meltdown as vividly as I do? He actually rebounded after the Belarus incident, but then a couple more truly ugly ones beat him and it was all over.

    This looks a lot like that.

  127. Lowetide says:

    Well, that third period had everything but a yellow submarine.

  128. Andy P says:

    What does a team of home town refs cost???? (We’re ‘mercan and ur not)

    Are the refs usually this bad or am I correct thinking that the refs won this game for the Hoks?

  129. fuzzy muppet says:

    so he puts 89 on for a must win faceoff.

    Im not sure Eakins is that smart after all

  130. icecastles says:

    WGN play-by-play guy: “They’re going to try to get Dubnyk off if they have time.”

    We have identified what’s holding Dubnyk back… blue balls.

  131. Zelepukin says:

    what the hell was Gagner doing taking that last draw and secondly what the hell was he doing? Serioulsy, on his strong side and tries to push it forward into the slot?

  132. stevezie says:

    Well I won my “Eberle will outscore Toews” bet. I might break even off of that.

    EDIT: No I won’t.

  133. russ99 says:

    Not blaming Dubnyk for the loss – we did have some poor defensive coverage, but if we get NHL quality goaltending, that was a winnable game.

  134. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Why was 89 taking that draw. he hasn’t won a faceoff since march 2011.

  135. russ99 says:

    Bohologo,

    I see you blocked out the entire Pat Quinn season.

    And yes this is that bad – with vastly better players.

    Is Eakins going to use the term “hind banana” tonight?

  136. VanOil says:

    The ’74-’75 Capitals had 446 goals against. The Oilers are only on pace to let in 315 this year.

  137. Thor762 says:

    I still am on the trade Gagner bandwagon. 7 year vet and can’t win a faceoff or play defensive. I’d rather take the rookie in Arcobello who seems to be able to do both.

  138. G Money says:

    Andy P:
    What does a team of home town refs cost???? (We’re ‘mercan and ur not)

    You guys know I’ve said this a dozen times, but I’ll keep repeating it until you realize I’m right – Canadian teams NEVER get fair reffing against American teams. Bettman’s NHL.

  139. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Been like this for a long time for the Oilers. Young teams have to earn respect of the officials. That’s garbage, but it’s been accepted practice for years. Call by the damn rule book regardless of team, player, or situation. It will never happen though as long as the old boys club runs the league.

  140. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Refs were brutal… but you know what?

    that may have been Dubnyk’s best game… .861

    that’s disturbing.

    This team is nothing but lollygagers and a terrible goalie.

    89 is not a Center. It’s time to end the 6+ year experiment.

  141. VanOil says:

    icecastles:
    WGN play-by-play guy: “They’re going to try to get Dubnyk off if they have time.”

    We have identified what’s holding Dubnyk back… blue balls.

    Genius! Is there a cure?

  142. FastOil says:

    Thor762:
    I still am on the trade Gagner bandwagon.7 year vet and can’t win a faceoff or play defensive.I’d rather take the rookie in Arcobello who seems to be able to do both.

    Trade him and Larsen for MacKinnon

  143. Lowetide says:

    Dennis King ‏@DKingBH 24s

    third period chances: 2-8; 1-3 ST. Final tally: 15-22; 5-6 ST. I didn’t count last two goals as scoring chances, btw

  144. G Money says:

    icecastles:
    WGN play-by-play guy: “They’re going to try to get Dubnyk off if they have time.”

    We have identified what’s holding Dubnyk back… blue balls.

    Ha! He just had a kid so interpreting the announcers that way makes total sense. You win the internet for tonight!

  145. Andy P says:

    G Money: You guys know I’ve said this a dozen times, but I’ll keep repeating it until you realize I’m right – Canadian teamsNEVER get fair redding against American teams.Bettman’s NHL.

    If they do that at Rexall the refs might get a repeat of the near riot last year against LA where Yak scored his famous goal.

  146. dsr29 says:

    Lowetide:
    Apparently that last shot hit Petry? I did not see that. I take back my Dubnyk anger.

    I’m going over this replay on the HD box here and am having a very hard time seeing it hit Petry. Even if it touched him there is little to no change in direction. Bad goal at a bad time. I feel bad for Dubnyk, but we shouldn’t be searching for excuses every time he lets in a goal.

  147. Numenius says:

    Unless I missed something, the reffing was actually somewhat even for the first 40 minutes, and only got lop-sided in the 3rd.

    It’s still damn annoying.

  148. Alsker says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Why was 89 taking that draw. he hasn’t won a faceoff since march 2011.

    Exactly what is wrong with the Oil, oh dont forget, we get to enjoy his 5-15 nights for the next 4 years. 7 years in and he still can’t play defensive side of the game. I just don’t get it.

  149. Thiru says:

    Gagner looks real bad right now. Slow and weak on the puck. He really should’ve been given more time, or at least a conditioning stint.

    Hall really competed out there.

    I like that Eakins had Yak out with Hall later on in the game. Playing the former with Smyth is a waste of time, and Smyth really shouldn’t be playing centre, or arguably any other position, at this point in his career. He is too slow to engage for puck battles in the offensive end.

    Do you know who does a good job clearing the crease? Ladislav Smid.

    But because he was traded, Phil Larsen — a good player with some nice skills whom I like — is now playing 20+ minutes a night. He will sink or swim, but why do we keep seeing this same show? Smid should still be here, and Larsen should’ve been given the opportunity to learn from the 3rd pairing.

    Ference was putrid. At least 2 awful, awful giveaways. That contract will be a god damn albatross starting next year.

    Edmonton Oilers management: creating problems for themselves since 2008.

  150. justDOit says:

    Bohologo:
    Well.

    At least there was some try tonight.

    I can’t remember a season this awful since what…1995?

    You had to go and make me think about ’95 – there goes years of therapy, down the drain. I guess it was coming again anyway…

    Seriously though, this game was competitive, and I was glad to see that. It seems as though the ‘double down’ is improving, but still leaves guys alone right in front of DD. I think Devan might benefit from watching a little of the old master of nasty goalies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj2qb6hnklg

  151. Thiru says:

    Who was the center on the ice for the Krueger goal?

    Whoever it was, I didn’t even see him on the screen. Perron made an attempt to get back, but man that’s really not his job. Centerman should be down low somewhere, either in front marking Krueger or engaging on the sideboard to allow one of the D to mark Krueger.

    Blargh.

  152. Fixall with Rexall says:

    Larson 3 points and a minus 3 with over 20 minutes of TOI. We have 5 defencemen who need to be sheltered.

  153. Numenius says:

    As bad as it is to keep losing like this, it’s at least by a 1 goal margins for the most part. They’re actually scoring goals.

    I hate games like the Detroit game.

  154. fifthcartel says:

    I don’t think Gagner is 100% and it is pretty terrible.

  155. Henry says:

    G Money: You guys know I’ve said this a dozen times, but I’ll keep repeating it until you realize I’m right – Canadian teamsNEVER get fair reffing against American teams.Bettman’s NHL.

    The Habs and the Leafs do. Especially at home. The Oilers definitely do not.

    They got jobbed tonight. It was bad in the third period yesterday too.

  156. Numenius says:

    Hall had some really nice defensive plays. Good to see him buying in.

  157. oliveoilers says:

    Bets that Eakins comes out and says the right things, unruffles feathers and gets people back to thinking he knows what the hell he’s doing. Remember, 23 seconds left, down a goal, face-off in our own zone and he puts out our worst face-off guy. Inspired. Almost worked.

  158. Andy P says:

    Thiru:
    Gagner looks real bad right now. Slow and weak on the puck. He really should’ve been given more time, or at least a conditioning stint.

    Hall really competed out there.

    I like that Eakins had Yak out with Hall later on in the game. Playing the former with Smyth is a waste of time, and Smyth really shouldn’t be playing centre, or arguably any other position, at this point in his career. He is too slow to engage for puck battles in the offensive end.

    Do you know who does a good job clearing the crease? Ladislav Smid.

    But because he was traded, Phil Larsen — a good player with some nice skills whom I like — is now playing 20+ minutes a night. He will sink or swim, but why do we keep seeing this same show? Smid should still be here, and Larsen should’ve been given the opportunity to learn from the 3rd pairing.

    Ference was putrid. At least 2 awful, awful giveaways. That contract will be a god damn albatross starting next year.

    Edmonton Oilers management: creating problems for themselves since 2008.

    Smid was the price of replacing Dubs and LaBarb.

  159. FastOil says:

    There was a lot of fight tonight I think but not enough brains. Not nearly enough.

  160. bookje says:

    I still don’t understand why Hall doesn’t take the faceoffs and then let Gags play centre.

  161. Alsker says:

    Crawford .826 tonite, if we hadnt gone almost 30 min over 2
    stretches without a shot it may have been different. Or is it if Chicago would have let us have the puck during those stretches?

  162. G Money says:

    Henry: The Habs and the Leafs do. Especially at home.The Oilers definitely do not.

    They got jobbed tonight.It was bad in the third period yesterday too.

    The Habs and Leafs may – may – get biased reffing vs Cdn teams. But even they get screwed more often than not against US teams. That’s what convinced me this was a real thing, and not just the natural anger of a fan of a team of ultimate suck age. Hell, as much as I detest Canucks and their fans and wish them misery worse than what we Oiler fans endure, I had to admit after watching a few games that even they do genuinely get screwed.

  163. FastOil says:

    Crawford had a worse SV% than Dubnyk

  164. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Fixall with Rexall:
    Larson 3 points and a minus 3 with over 20 minutes of TOI. We have 5 defencemen who need to be sheltered.

    That’s his game though. Larsen looks to me like a pretty good project of a 3RD with PP time. We’ve already got him in 19, who is the same player with more offensive upside.

    Larsen is maybe a bit more tenacious on the retreat. I don’t know.

    At any rate, I really like both… just wish we had someone to push them down the lineup.

  165. Brackenburied says:

    FastOil:
    Crawford had a worse SV% than Dubnyk

    So Dubnyk can’t even suck properly!

  166. bookje says:

    Why has 89 been able to push coaches into allowing him to play centre?

  167. rickithebear says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Why was 89 taking that draw. he hasn’t won a faceoff since march 2011.

    Your an idiot!

    We run a system any moron could see is Fucked!

    Yes!
    Our AHL coach is Embarasingly BAD!

  168. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Numenius:
    Hall had some really nice defensive plays. Good to see him buying in.

    How much is it “buying in” and how much is simply competitiveness?

    Hall wants the puck so he can score. The rest want to score but can’t seem to be bothered to get the puck or keep it.

  169. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    rickithebear: Your an idiot!

    Cool story, ricki!

  170. Alsker says:

    bookje:
    Why has 89 been able to push coaches into allowing him to play centre?

    Well, whats the one constant since gags was drafted: and no I dont mean his poor FO%, or defensive lapses, Old 6 Rings.

  171. weight7 says:

    LT first time commenter, long time reader.

    I live in Boston and as such I watch The Bruins quite a bit. Their players are so disciplined in playing their system and they have complete buy in to what is being coached. But the big difference is effort. Pretty much the opposite of our team. It can be frustrating to watch. The only oilers players on this team that seem willing to consistently do whatever it takes to win are Gordon, hall and rnh. Those 3 strike me as the only ones who constantly work hard enough every game. I think a good percent of the rest work hard some games but not others. I don’t expect the team I cheer for to win every game or out skill other teams, but the bruins never leave their fans pissed off after games because they don’t compete hard enough. When we lost to Tampa Bay earlier this week was th happiest I’ve been al year, because it was the first time the whole team played hard all game. I don’t care if we lose that game, I’m happy to cheer for them when they play like that.

    Basically my point is we talk about issues like size, coaching, unbalanced roster etc, but this team would be in a playoff spot if they played with a higher effort ever night. I can live with the giveaways, the lack of goaltending, weak defense etc, but watching at least half the team sleep walk through every game is laughable.

    Am I holding them to higher standards than I should comparing them to the bruins, or can we agree 95 percent of the league out work us more often than not?

  172. rickithebear says:

    Bring Nelson Up and give Eakins a year in the A to improve his game.

  173. Lowetide says:

    weight7:
    LT first time commenter, long time reader.

    I live in Boston and as such I watch The Bruins quite a bit.Their players are so disciplined in playing their system and they have complete buy in to what is being coached.But the big difference is effort. Pretty much the opposite of our team.It can be frustrating to watch.The only oilers players on this team that seem willing to consistently do whatever it takes to win are Gordon, hall and rnh. Those 3 strike me as the only ones who constantly work hard enough every game.I think a good percent of the rest work hard some games but not others.I don’t expect the team I cheer for to win every game or out skill other teams, but the bruins never leave their fans pissed off after games because they don’t compete hard enough.When we lost to Tampa Bay earlier this week was th happiest I’ve been al year, because it was the first time the whole team played hard all game.I don’t care if we lose that game, I’m happy to cheer for them when they play like that.

    Basically my point is we talk about issues like size, coaching, unbalanced roster etc, but this team would be in a playoff spot if they played with a higher effort ever night.I can live with the giveaways, the lack of goaltending, weak defense etc, but watching at least half the team sleep walk through every game is laughable.

    Am I holding them to higher standards than I should comparing them to the bruins, or can we agree 95 percent of the league out work us more often than not?

    I agree with pretty much everything you’ve written here. The Oilers organization has to get this team under control, and at this point it might cost ANOTHER coach. And if that happens, well it’s Calcutta.

  174. Numenius says:

    bookje:
    I still don’t understand why Hall doesn’t take the faceoffs and then let Gags play centre.

    Exactly right.

  175. oliveoilers says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: How much is it “buying in” and how much is simply competitiveness?

    Hall wants the puck so he can score.

    Wondering the same thing. Looked more like Hall thought ‘screw it, I’m just going to play homest hockey, no batshit crazy AHL system.’ And some people on here didn’t think that he drives this team. Good to see Yak with a little push back. Shame about the call, was BS. But they made some head scratchers against the hawks too. Thing is, we’re so fragile that any call like that cuts right to the bone. Hawks sucked it up and got on with it.

  176. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Platzer with another goal tonight (his 7th).

  177. icecastles says:

    G Money: The Habs and Leafs may – may – get biased reffing vs Cdn teams. But even they get screwed more often than not against US teams. That’s what convinced me this was a real thing, and not just the natural anger of a fan of a team of ultimate suck age. Hell, as much as I detest Canucks and their fans and wish them misery worse than what we Oiler fans endure, I had to admit after watching a few games that even they do genuinely get screwed.

    No observer bias here at all, right?

    I’ll believe this meme when I see stats to back it up.

    Van fans were on an on about how they got screwed by the refs in the Boston final… completely ignoring the fact that the Bruins were the more heavily penalized team… by a healthy margin.

  178. Alsker says:

    rickithebear:
    Bring Nelson Up and give Eakins a year in the A to improve his game.

    You really need to quit while your’re ahead.

  179. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    oliveoilers: Wondering the same thing. Looked more like Hall thought ‘screw it, I’m just going to play homest hockey, no batshit crazy AHL system.

    The stuff we are talking about aren’t “systems.”

    Winning puck battles, backchecking hard, puck management, etc. these things are systems issues. Every coach is going to insist on these things and every one has.

    Systems are about how to tweek these things to gain an advantage, not about whether a team ought to do them or not.

  180. Numenius says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: How much is it “buying in” and how much is simply competitiveness?

    Hall wants the puck so he can score. The rest want to score but can’t seem to be bothered to get the puck or keep it.

    Competitiveness is part of it, but that’s always been there and so wouldn’t explain the change (if you agree there’s been one). To my eye he was better at getting back and taking the puck away this game than usual, which I presume comes from Eakins’ defence first (for everyone) emphasis.

  181. fifthcartel says:

    Do we know what number Aaron Ekblad wears?

  182. Woodguy says:

    Thiru:
    Who was the center on the ice for the Krueger goal?

    Whoever it was, I didn’t even see him on the screen. Perron made an attempt to get back, but man that’s really not his job. Centerman should be down low somewhere, either in front marking Krueger or engaging on the sideboard to allow one of the D to mark Krueger.

    Blargh.

    Gagner.

    Larsen chased his check down the boards.

    Belov makes a questionable decision to go in and help and takes Larsen’s check.

    Larsen, seeing that Belov has his man then skates backwards to the net.

    Perron sees Krueger all alone and makes a last gasp to get there.

    Gagner watches all of this unfold without moving his feet or doing anything except watch the puck.

    I’ve had it with him.

    His mistakes aren’t fitness or game related.

    He doesn’t have the defensive instincts to play C even though this is his 7th year doing it in the NHL.

  183. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Numenius: Competitiveness is part of it, but that’s always been there and so wouldn’t explain the change (if you agree there’s been one). To my eye he was better at getting back and taking the puck away this game than usual, which I presume comes from Eakins’ defence first (for everyone) emphasis.

    I definitely agree that Hall was better this game in those areas than recently… but (and my memory may be cloudy here), I don’t recall him being a lollygagger in his own zone in the last two years. I think, if anything, getting back to normal after injury explains things…

    But… I’m totally open to having my admittedly shitty memory exposed here.

  184. flyfish1168 says:

    I remember a cocky Kane commenting how he made Gagner look good at their draft. I was really hoping Kane would eat his words. Unfortunately I believe Kane now.

  185. Brackenburied says:

    Numenius: Competitiveness is part of it, but that’s always been there and so wouldn’t explain the change (if you agree there’s been one). To my eye he was better at getting back and taking the puck away this game than usual, which I presume comes from Eakins’ defence first (for everyone) emphasis.

    I saw him get back hard once and think it was more circumstance then anything.

  186. oliveoilers says:

    Lowetide: I agree with pretty much everything you’ve written here. The Oilers organization has to get this team under control, and at this point it might cost ANOTHER coach. And if that happens, well it’s Calcutta.

    Only thing that saves DE might be the because nobody will want to come here…

    I have previously stated that I believe that all of the oiler’s players have played for multiple coaches with multiple systems and had success. A lot of them weren’t here for the previous coaches. We needed a bona fide NHL coach for this team. They were out there. We got a rookie, maybe the coach we should have had NEXT. I don’t begrudge DE his NHL shot. Just not with our team that needed the years of experience a Ruff or Sutter etc. can bring. He HAS to get to what motivates these guys. In the AHL, it was always the ticket to the big show. But, it’s lonely at the top, and a TRUE leader takes responsibility. I guess he’s just too ‘car salesman’ for me. He says what the majority of us, including myself is thinking, lulling us into thinking this guy knows what he’s doing. However he never seems to take the next step to the execution. At the moment, whatever DE says after games can be gleaned from the posts and blogs on this site. My biggest beef with DE is that he’s starting to prove the, shall we say, less positive posters on here and the ON correct.

  187. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: Gagner.

    Larsen chased his check down the boards.

    Belov makes a questionable decision to go in and help and takes Larsen’s check.

    Larsen, seeing that Belov has his man then skates backwards to the net.

    Perron sees Krueger all alone and makes a last gasp to get there.

    Gagner watches all of this unfold without moving his feet or doing anything except watch the puck.

    I’ve had it with him.

    His mistakes aren’t fitness or game related.

    He doesn’t have the defensive instincts to play C even though this is his 7th year doing it in the NHL.

    I was surprised they let 89′s line roll against Toews all night, remember you mentioning something about it this morning. Dennis King mentioned on twitter that they’ll move Arco in and Gagner to the wing in the next two games, suspect he’s right.

  188. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    fifthcartel:
    Do we know what number Aaron Ekblad wears?

    Nope. Not an option.

    Draisaitl. he wears 29.

  189. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Edmonton Oilers ✔ @EdmontonOilers
    “The things that are plaguing this team are our responsibilities individually for D zone coverage.” – Coach Eakins cont’d
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    Edmonton Oilers ✔ @EdmontonOilers
    “Missed coverage by some of our veteran players. If you can’t defend in this league you’re not going to win.” – Coach Eakins
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    Edmonton Oilers ✔ @EdmontonOilers
    “They played a system we had trouble defending. You try and take positives out of it but you’re just pissed off about it.” – Eberle
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    “If you score four goals on the road you should win the game. I’m a little pissed off at myself.” – Philip Larsen post-game

  190. oliveoilers says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: The stuff we are talking about aren’t “systems.”

    Winning puck battles, backchecking hard, puck management, etc. these things are systems issues. Every coach is going to insist on these things and every one has.

    Systems are about how to tweek these things to gain an advantage, not about whether a team ought to do them or not.

    That sure told me. Sorry for posting. Obviously I’ve intruded on a ‘grown-ups’ thread. Forgot that no-name posters like me that haven’t been here for 10000yrs are allowed to have an opinion that is different to yours. I always believed that systems were TOOLS that coaches gave players to give them a chance to win games. To be in the right places at the right times.

    PS Please forward that thing about systems to Ebs.

  191. VanOil says:

    I would like the Oilers to trade away there next 3 first round picks in one BOLD move. Not because the expected return, which should be nice, but because it would take away the temptation to suck. I am tired of the SUCK.

  192. Numenius says:

    Woodguy,

    Speaking of Belov, I thought he had a bad game too. He looked like he had no jump with the puck and seem prone to giveaways. Could the match penalty from yesterday still have been bothering him? He seemed so good yesterday.

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