OILERS AT LIGHTNING G17, 13-14

I find myself melancholy these days, as it does seem we’re finally nearing the Hemsky sail, 613 games into his NHL career. He’s 30 years old, hasn’t played a playoff game since 2006 and in the impressive history of the Oilers stands well back in the career numbers (8th in points, 451; tied for 9th in seasons, 10). Ales Hemsky is an absolute pleasure to observe on the ice, I hope he stays but things aren’t looking too good this morning. If he does stay through the early part of this season, I think there’s a chance they get to ‘contract talk’ stage but there would have to be a lot of team success for that to happen. Azorcan3

I still think Hall figures out a way to convince the powers that he should play tonight, and if he does that should mean a huge lift for the club. If they can win tonight–and that’s a massive ask–then there’s a chance they could roll into Chicago Sunday with a 6-10-2 record. That’s no screaming hell, but miles better than 3-10-2, and with people getting healthy maybe good times are ahead of us.

And of course Chicago has been a treat for Oilers at times since 2010, so there’s that too.

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The great thing about the MacT-Eakins tandem is they make good decisions and have the courage of their convictions. I don’t agree with all of it (that 4line is not good, and the MacIntyre-Gazdic pickups still have me reeling) but the way this Yak City item has been handled is just about perfect. The sequence of events:

  1. Yakupov doesn’t find the ice for the last 10 minutes in Florida, as Eakins clearly identifies who he trusts (seriously, have a look at the guys who played the last half of the third Tuesday night–that’s the heart of the team).
  2. NYC media like Brooks begin having a lash at trade possibilities.
  3. Eakins is seen on the ice at practice talking to Yakupov, leading many media members to suggest he will be a HS in Tampa.
  4. Eakins tells media after practice that “Nail Yakupov is not being shopped, he’s not going anywhere and I wanted him to hear that from me, look me in my eye, and let him know that we’re attached at the hip.”
  5. Craig MacTavish drove the point home later on, saying “we very much believe Nail will evolve to become that dynamic, electric player — become one of the most entertaining guys in the game. I told that to Igor. And I told that to Yak. Development is very rarely a straight line. It has ups and downs.”
  6. Later, we get the player-agent side of it from the great Larionov: “First, it’s nice to hear that from the coach. It’s nice for Nail to hear that from the coach. It makes a big difference. A guy like Nail, he needs support. It’s nice of the coach to step forward to make statements like that for his confidence.”

And at the end of the day (hi Chris Pronger!) we get a strong indication about what mature, intelligent management looks like. In past years, there have been times (hi Sheldon Souray!) when things got out there onto the mean streets of msm when it harmed the hockey club and painted the organization as ill prepared, petty and losery (is that a word? I’ve used it several times, and so it must be). The story is here and we should remember this moment, because when Yakupov is flying into Manhattan to score 3 the wisdom of the last 36 hours will receive its own reward.

tootooJordin Tootoo has been placed on waivers, Oilers have been connected to him since the Nashville days. I don’t think they should pick him up, and ordinarily this would be a pretty easy call. However, the Gazdic procurement combined with a losing record, issues around ‘grit’ and ‘toughness’ and the agitator gap might mean MacT makes this move. We’ll see, but, as the kids like to say nowadays, there’s a non-zero chance this happens. One thing that may keep the Oilers away? $1.9M cap hit this and next season.

dubnyk33They have to run with the Dube now, I don’t think there’s much choice. Run him tonight and again on Saturday, and if he wins both roll him out onto the mat in Chicago too. This team is so far back there’s no longer a dust trail, and despite that weak goal late on Tuesday night he’s the best available. The man could use a shutout, but he won’t get it tonight. Book it.

petry7Jeff Petry is not the most popular player among Oiler fans, and I think we knew (and talked about) this possibility. However, I can’t see one damn thing wrong with the guy that a consistent partner and some better decision making wouldn’t cure. Among the chaotic group called Oiler blue, Petry has been head and shoulders above the maddening crowd:

5×5 Corsi for % (via Extra Skater)

  1. Justin Schultz 47.9
  2. Jeff Petry 45.6
  3. Andrew Ference 45.2
  4. Nick Schultz 44.7
  5. Ladislav Smid 42.6

This is the group who have played through good times and bad, and excludes both injured (Belov), demoted (laundry list) and recent hires (also laundry). Schultz is injured now, and the team looks a lot less chaotic during 5×5 play. I like Justin Schultz a great deal, and like Yakupov I think he’s going to be an important part of the team for a long time. However, he’s going to need less playing time when he returns because there’s too much crazy out there when he’s swinging.

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Do you remember back in September when I mentioned that a perfect balance photo was at the ready? But the Oilers weren’t balanced so I couldn’t use it? The story is here and the quote went “the Edmonton Oilers don’t get the “balance” seal of approval again this year. And it’s been about a decade.” I think the club has a nice opportunity in the coming weeks to improve their center depth, and they should (if they are serious) aim high.

A Russian with experience? Another Gordon? If the Oilers enter 2014-15 with Nuge, Gagner, Gordon, Acton they’ll have the kids a year older and that’s a good thing. If they could grab a high end center to play in front of Nuge? Music!

High end. HIGH end. A lot of things would come together with a 4C depth chart of Nuge, Grabovski, Gordon, Acton/Lander. Move Gagner over (and give him the Hemsky slot on RW) and the top 9 might be:

  • Nuge-Hall-Eberle
  • Grabovski-Perron-Yakupov
  • Gordon-Joesnsuu-Gagner

Something to think about, although the opportunity may have gone with Grabovski playing so well in a new town.

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  1. cabbiesmacker says:

    VanOil:

    Or a supper star that scores one…

    You think Anaheim might give up Penner this early?

  2. Lowetide says:

    VanOil: So what I hear you saying is that Oilers were unlucky to draft 1st overall three times in a row when no truly transformative game winning player was available. Gee I hope we suck next year. ;)

    No. That’s not what I was saying. As I mentioned to Rom, I’m saying that there were several elements on both goals (including Stamkos) that led to them. I honestly don’t think we can say “well Dubnyk should have had that” or “Petry left his position” because there were circumstances in play.

    The Stamkos goal sees Petry drive down to the slot in an effort to cover a wide open St. Louis. Ference can’t get to Stamkos and it’s a goal.

    IF you’re going to blame Eberle, then you need to add to the list. That’s what I’m saying.

  3. Lucinius says:

    Man, Larsen.. you can’t do that. Not with that much bloody time!

  4. VanOil says:

    cabbiesmacker,
    Lowetide,
    What I was sardonically trying to highlight was the juxtaposition of Stamkos’ results compared to Hall’s breakaway just after. But yes Oilers should have singed Penner this off season.

  5. Lowetide says:

    Nice save there by Dubnyk, Stamkos point blank. That guy is astounding.

  6. VanOil says:

    Omark getting to play with Nuge and Ebs. It is now or never for him.

  7. Lucinius says:

    Someone needs to inform the announcers that Smid slapshots are not exactly fearsome.

  8. Lois Lowe says:

    All of the icing calls are driving me nuts. How is it that the Lightning are tipping every single puck in at centre and Oilers aren’t?

  9. Lowetide says:

    Everything about this game tells me the Lightning will score the next goal. Stamkos is unstoppable, Oilers don’t have anything (imo) to counter, and won’t until Nuge is a little older. Crazy hockey player.

  10. boxman says:

    The nice thing when Smid tees them up from the point is it gives our forwards time to get to the net :-)

  11. Zelepukin says:

    Lowetide:
    Everything about this game tells me the Lightning will score the next goal. Stamkos is unstoppable, Oilers don’t have anything (imo) to counter, and won’t until Nuge is a little older. Crazy hockey player.

    Ya no real plan in place to isolate Stamkos but that’s a given due to our lack an effective defensive forward line, instead of just one or two guys.

    Hallsy looks a little unsure with his knee, but that’s a given.

    Omark is definitely a step behind in footspeed but he has shown very good puck awareness. 3 or 4 times he has changed the direction on loose pucks by swiping at it.

  12. Lowetide says:

    It’s been awhile for Yak, no?

  13. Hockeyman 99 says:

    Hall with a Bobby hull.

  14. Zelepukin says:

    Dubie has also looked very slow. Almost lazy in body language.

  15. VanOil says:

    I hope the very Orange stick works for Hall

  16. Lowetide says:

    Nuge with a nice try there, he’s starting to emerge a little more.

  17. Lucinius says:

    Lightning aren’t really outplaying the Oilers, though.. Stamkos and some whiffs are the only reason why this game is scored at what it is.

  18. OilFire says:

    Zelepukin:
    Dubie has also looked very slow. Almost lazy in body language.

    Wait… body language? Are you in the MSM?

  19. ashley says:

    Bishop showing how to stay on the feet on the first shot unless it is low. Easier to save the top shelf shots from your feet than your knees. Dubnyk, take note.

    Bishop looks good.

  20. G Money says:

    Man, could have called three penalties on that Nuge series alone.

    Between the icing and the non-calls, watching the embarrassment that Bettman has made of this game is painful sometimes.

  21. Lowetide says:

    Lucinius:
    Lightning aren’t really outplaying the Oilers, though.. Stamkos and some whiffs are the only reason why this game is scored at what it is.

    I’d argue the Oilers are outplaying Lightning, but the Stamkos corrector is a giant beam of light.

  22. VanOil says:

    Yak looks to have been bumped down the order by Omark. It might be a fair assessment by Eakins but I hope we see him on the next power play. Shot clock is more crooked in favor of the Oilers than the game looks to my eye.

  23. Lucinius says:

    Gazdic needs to have a conversation with Gudas.

  24. G Money says:

    Two minutes for a blatant and dangerous trip. Uh huh.

  25. Lucinius says:

    VanOil: Shot clock is more crooked in favor of the Oilers than the game looks to my eye.

    Oilers have a ton of blocked shots, remember. Lightning with far fewer blocked shots.

  26. Hockeyman 99 says:

    If Ference was going to do that start throwing them

  27. hunter1909 says:

    Smyth, Ference. One more plugger with a bad penalty and it’s an Ethan Moreau hat trick.

  28. Hockeyman 99 says:

    oh hemmer. love that move on 91

  29. OilFire says:

    hunter1909:
    Smyth, Ference. One more plugger with a bad penalty and it’s an Ethan Moreau hat trick.

    Oooohhh, that one stings, too much truth in it…

  30. G Money says:

    Man, if ordinary citizens did as shitty a job as these refs are doing, we’d be fired the first day.

    Blatant hook or hold on virtually *every* *single* play the Oilers try to make.

    Bet they get a congratulatory call from Bettman after the game.

    (OK, OK, I’ll give it a rest now).

  31. Lucinius says:

    Man.. wish we had a goalie like Bishop.

  32. TartanArmy says:

    Totally weak that after Gudas hit Petry and Ference comes in to have a chat, EDM doesn’t end up with the pp.

  33. kooler says:

    how is that no icing?

  34. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers are so Southeast Division.

  35. OilClog says:

    It’s going to really fucking stab my soul the day Pardubice is traded.

  36. Hockeyman 99 says:

    Our goalie sucks

  37. TartanArmy says:

    Yup. That’s it.

  38. hunter1909 says:

    LMAO Dubnyk. He’s gotta go.

  39. Lucinius says:

    And that is what a good goalie gets you; time.

    Smid made to look silly, then Larsen abandons his man and the goal is sealed.

  40. hunter1909 says:

    Opening the book on whether Dubnyk starts the third.

  41. jake70 says:

    Be nice if they could beat NHL goalies at the other end.

  42. spoiler says:

    I can’t watch this any more… We know that luck plays a big part in hockey results, but the role it is playing tonight is too difficult to watch. The number of whiffed passes and shots, and bouncing pucks is ridiculous. This isn’t hockey, this is a series of coin flips.

  43. OilClog says:

    Dubnyk.. Wouldn’t matter how big the pads are when you have no form!!!! Horrible. Why isn’t Ranford our goaltending coach? Where’s Cujo? Literally cardboard cutout goal that one

  44. Lucinius says:

    I don’t overly blame Dubnyk on the third goal. That’s on the D, imo. He can’t play both players at the same time. Larsen keeps his guy’s stick tied up and there’s no goal.

    Refs, luck, goaltending to blame for this game.

    We’ve lost the goaltending battle. Lightning are getting the advantage of bounces. And refs doing their best to hem the Oilers in.

  45. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    How pissed are the Oilers right now that Tambo tried to soft-sell that Bishop deal?

  46. TartanArmy says:

    Hmmm, I think Dubnyk’s ship is sinking……fast.

  47. Hockeyman 99 says:

    Brian Elliot could have been here 6 games ago and I bet they could have gotten Maggie back as well.

  48. VanOil says:

    spoiler:
    This isn’t hockey, this is a series of coin flips.

    And we are the drunk guy at the Casino.

  49. Hockeyman 99 says:

    Lucinius,

    Its not just the Bad goals, or Good ones. His timing is Horrible. Dubey is the Anti-Fuhr.

  50. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: Certainly. As I mentioned above, Hall should make that pass never and Eberle needs to get that puck along the wall and past Stamkos. However, reading comments above mine like

    Dubnyk needs to have that

    and my point is there were a lot of things (including Stamkos) that led to them (beyon Dubnyk).

    agreed completely. those were team-wide breakdowns… none of the failsafes worked.

  51. Rondo says:

    And to think Tampa Bay deliberately tanked last year .

  52. Lucinius says:

    Hockeyman 99,

    Not saying Dubnyk is playing well. The guy is struggling mightily. Below average goaltending is killing the Oilers. Its just, on that goal, he’s not the goat.

  53. OilClog says:

    Lucinius:
    I don’t overly blame Dubnyk on the third goal. That’s on the D, imo. He can’t play both players at the same time. Larsen keeps his guy’s stick tied up and there’s no goal.

    Refs, luck, goaltending to blame for this game.

    We’ve lost the goaltending battle. Lightning are getting the advantage of bounces. And refs doing their best to hem the Oilers in.

    Any goalie that knows how to move with form stops that.. Regardless of missed plays, if he simply keeps his paddle on the ice in front of him.. No goal! Or at least deflected! Brutal.

    This team needs a goalie that can’t stand any puck getting past him! Doobie, doesn’t have that flame.

  54. RMGS says:

    Lucinius: We’ve lost the goaltending battle. _____________ are getting the advantage of bounces. And refs doing their best to hem the Oilers in.

    Script for about 2/3 of the season?

    There are ‘mitigating circumstances’ for every goal against, but this is Dubnyk’s last season as Edmonton’s #1.

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  56. godot10 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    How pissed are the Oilers right now that Tambo tried to soft-sell that Bishop deal?

    The OIlers didn’t have competent forward to give. He offered Jones and a 2nd. The next forward up was Paajarvi. And well Ottawa was looking for a scoring forward, and Conacher had more points than Paajarvi. So even Magnus might not have been enough. Next forward after Paajarvi was Yakupov or Eberle.

  57. OilClog says:

    It’s nothing but excuses for Dubnyk now, every damn team is missing defensive assignments against the Oilers. They literally need to tie a rocket to their pucks for them to go in.. Against the Oilers.. Seems all you need is a decent change up and a fast ball and our goalies are flopping quicker then well.. A team named Oilers.

  58. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I actually agree with Kyper on something… ha!

    except I’d go further… those blatant knee on knee trips ought to be 5 and a game. They can’t be treated the same way a hooking or holding call is. the chance of injury is a thousand times higher.

  59. Hockeyman 99 says:

    I made this point for 2 long hard days in the summer and was beat down. Dubnyk has a good save % Blah Blah. He is a back up goalie, can’t handle the pressure. The only way he gets his game back at all is if they get a security blanket goalie, maybe Brodeur and even then he lets in shitty goals at bad times like the beginning of our losing streak last year, that ended the playoff push, he doesn’t make the big save and thats that.

  60. hunter1909 says:

    Lucinius: Below average goaltending is killing the Oilers. Its just, on that goal, he’s not the goat.

    Dubnyk even can’t save the word goat being applied to him tonight.

    Face it: As a member of the Dubnyk family we all appreciate your support of Devan, but enough is enough.

  61. Lowetide says:

    Here’s my take on Dubnyk: he has NOT been good enough, not close. However, the game tonight is a perfect example of what’s happening here. EVERY goal features a woeful defensive decision and then a goal–and this blog is going ape shit on the goalie!

    PLEASE look at the entire sequence! This team is making mistakes all over hell’s half acre and they lead to goals. Based on level of play, this game should be 2-1 or 2-2.

    3-1? Dubnyk needs to make one of those saves, but they’re all 5 bell chances folks.

  62. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Rondo:
    And to think Tampa Bay deliberatelytanked last year .

    But they aren’t making use of Druin at all… I guess that wouldn’t be the only reason to tank.

    at any rate, Draisaitl had another assist last night.

  63. Nuckout says:

    Just tuned in.

    So, I take it 3/3 TB goals were soft?

  64. Hockeyman 99 says:

    Lowetide,

    But if you switch the goalies its 4-1 Edmonton.

  65. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    godot10: The OIlers didn’t have competent forward to give.He offered Jones and a 2nd.The next forward up was Paajarvi. And well Ottawa was looking for a scoring forward, and Conacher had more points than Paajarvi. So even Magnus might not have been enough. Next forward after Paajarvi was Yakupov or Eberle.

    Don’t be absurd.

    The idea that those are the only options is pure Tambo thinking. He was meek, timid and losery and he lost.

  66. bookje says:

    Lowetide:
    Here’s my take on Dubnyk: he has NOT been good enough, not close. However, the game tonight is a perfect example of what’s happening here. EVERY goal features a woeful defensive decision and then a goal–and this blog is going ape shit on the goalie!

    PLEASE look at the entire sequence! This team is making mistakes all over hell’s half acre and they lead to goals. Based on level of play, this game should be 2-1 or 2-2.

    3-1? Dubnyk needs to make one of those saves, but they’re all 5 bell chances folks.

    That’s hard, involves watching and thinking – just blame Dubnyk.

  67. Lucinius says:

    hunter1909,

    Hah. I’ve been among the most critical of Dubnyk this season. Hell in one of the earlier games I made the point that I would be a better NHL goalie than him at this point. Dubnyk is not an NHL goalie this season. Not even close. I was hopeful he would take a small step forward this year with his 5×5 save percentage. Instead its dropped off the face of the planet; but the Oilers basically have him or Bachman at this point and neither should be the one they go with.

    They need a better goalie but its not going to happen. Any trade to bring in a better, established goalie is going to cost something akin to Yakupov at this point.

  68. Kitchener says:

    Who signed DD to a 2 year deal again? Who was it that didn’t give out a 3/4/5 year deal? I’m having trouble remembering, but that decision is looking better with the passage of time.

  69. RMGS says:

    Lowetide:
    Here’s my take on Dubnyk: he has NOT been good enough, not close. However, the game tonight is a perfect example of what’s happening here. EVERY goal features a woeful defensive decision and then a goal–and this blog is going ape shit on the goalie!

    PLEASE look at the entire sequence! This team is making mistakes all over hell’s half acre and they lead to goals. Based on level of play, this game should be 2-1 or 2-2.

    3-1? Dubnyk needs to make one of those saves, but they’re all 5 bell chances folks.

    Agreed, except the Oilers have had more 5 bell chances but have been stopped by the better goalie. That’s happened on far too many Dubnyk starts this year, and that’s the point. He’s gone next year.

  70. Lowetide says:

    Hockeyman 99:
    Lowetide,

    But if you switch the goalies its 4-1 Edmonton.

    Not close to true. Bishop is having an excellent game, but two of the goals against Dubnyk tonight were by a guy with 13 goals in 15 games.

    Any of those guys on the Oilers? The Dubnyk talk in this thread is batshit crazy people, it just is.

  71. VanOil says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: But they aren’t making use of Druin at all… I guess that wouldn’t be the only reason to tank.

    Druin is over 2pts a game in Halifax. He might have a future.

  72. OilClog says:

    Agree completely defensive breakdowns lead to the goals against, just frustrating as all Jeebus when a use of proper form prevents a simple shot from going in. I’ve been suspect of the Chabot all season, his goalies stink.

  73. OilFire says:

    Lowetide:
    Here’s my take on Dubnyk: he has NOT been good enough, not close. However, the game tonight is a perfect example of what’s happening here. EVERY goal features a woeful defensive decision and then a goal–and this blog is going ape shit on the goalie!

    PLEASE look at the entire sequence! This team is making mistakes all over hell’s half acre and they lead to goals. Based on level of play, this game should be 2-1 or 2-2.

    3-1? Dubnyk needs to make one of those saves, but they’re all 5 bell chances folks.

    I think the 2nd goal isn’t on Dubie, you just can’t leave Stamkos free to shoot from there. 3rd goal is a pretty high percentage play too. 1st goal looks like a tough one for Dubie though. I know Stamkos did some pretty clever use of the D-man as a screen, but I gotta figure that should be a save. Tally it up and several players are sinking the HMS Oil.

  74. Lucinius says:

    The problem with Dubnyk is this;

    1) He is good for at least one bad goal against per game.

    2) He is struggling to make ‘the’ save this year that stops the other team from pulling away or getting late goals.

    3) He shouldn’t be struggling as he is because the majority of his mistakes are basic goaltending issues; form, squaring to the puck, directing rebounds, cheating and not respecting the puck controller enough.

  75. bookje says:

    OilClog:
    Agree completely defensive breakdowns lead to the goals against, just frustrating as all Jeebus when a use of proper form prevents a simple shot from going in.I’ve been suspect of the Chabot all season, his goalies stink.

    The problem is that he holds his stick wrong.

  76. "Steve Smith" says:

    Lucinius:
    The problem with Dubnyk is this;

    1) He is good for at least one bad goal against per game.

    Is that Big Ben?

  77. hunter1909 says:

    Dubnyk has the most horrible body language for a so-called big man: Twitchy and nervous, it’s obvious he’s too fucking clumsy to play goal in any other capacity than wearing overstuffed padding like everyone’s beat up old basement chesterfield, which unfortunately like him is now obsolete.

  78. Nuckout says:

    I love Fedun.

    He shoots the puck.

  79. RMGS says:

    Lowetide: The Dubnyk talk in this thread is batshit crazy people, it just is.

    Thing is the furstration is cumulative.

  80. bookje says:

    Lowetide: Not close to true. Bishop is having an excellent game, but two of the goals against Dubnyk tonight were by a guy with 13 goals in 15 games.

    Any of those guys on the Oilers? The Dubnyk talk in this thread is batshit crazy people, it just is.

    My favorite is the guy who knew Dubnyk would be bad this year because Khabibulin wasn’t around to act as backup.

  81. Melman says:

    Is it too much to ask for your goalie to close the door on some good chances when your struggling team is otherwise playing a good game? It’s impossible for a team to play with confidence when you are not confident in your goaltending. “We need to score 4 to win”, game after game is mentally exhausting and deflating.

    We needed October Khabby to get us through the start of the season.

  82. Zelepukin says:

    For the most part this has been one of the better games we’ve seen from the D in making smart plays out of our own end.

  83. bookje says:

    Hockeyman 99:
    Lowetide,

    Crazy is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Being a goalie is easy on shitty teams. you play loose, no expectations. Look at DDs career. Has he ever been on a winner or on one that was ever even expected to be one?

    Yes, if only Dubnyk was on a crappy team.

  84. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Kitchener:
    Who signed DD to a 2 year deal again?Who was it that didn’t give out a 3/4/5 year deal?I’m having trouble remembering, but that decision is looking better with the passage of time.

    It looks as bad as it did the day it happened. The term was fine, the $$ weren’t. Just as the $$ were fine for Petry but the term was terrible.

  85. Hockeyman 99 says:

    bookje,

    I know what your role is here now you’re the joker

  86. justDOit says:

    Lowetide:

    …The Dubnyk talk in this thread is batshit crazy people, it just is.

    I wonder what it’s like over at ON – I’m scared to look!

  87. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    VanOil: Druin is over 2pts a game in Halifax. He might have a future.

    That’s not what I meant… just thought he might have been saying they were tanking for this year, which doesn’t make sense.

  88. VanOil says:

    Dubby may not have been to blame for any of the goals tonight. But he has clearly lost the confidence of many Oilers fans. He may have lost his own confidence as well, not to mention the confidence of his team mates, coaches and management. This may be unfair but it is true.

    If Dubby is going to be a starting goalie in the NHL for Edmonton or any other team after this year he will need to out right steal at least a dozen games through the rest of the year. The good news for him is the defensively poor Oilers will give him every opportunity to do this. The better news for him is that back up money in the NHL is not bad for the work load.

  89. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: It looks as bad as it did the day it happened. The term was fine, the $$ weren’t. Just as the $$ were fine for Petry but the term was terrible.

    Amen to that. That Petry deal will screw next summer up royally.

  90. Andy P says:

    So we’d be winning this game if Dubnyk played better, the D played better, and the forwards played better D?

  91. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Good God, never trade 83. Sign him for 4 more years.

  92. bookje says:

    Hockeyman 99:
    bookje,

    I know what your role is here now you’re the joker

    It’s easy when your on a bad team.

  93. RMGS says:

    Melman: We needed October Khabby to get us through the start of the season.

    OK, I’ve given up on Dubnyk and hope he’s gone next year, but that is an absurd comment. Conjuring up Khabibulin?

  94. Nuckout says:

    Lowetide: Not close to true. Bishop is having an excellent game, but two of the goals against Dubnyk tonight were by a guy with 13 goals in 15 games.

    Any of those guys on the Oilers? The Dubnyk talk in this thread is batshit crazy people, it just is.

    Good solid defence helps good goalies rise their game, just as great goaltending helps a solid defence stay solid.

    None of that is happening right now, but it needs to start with a confident netminder, and the defence can be left to stay to their assignments.

    One could say that the “weak” goaltending is lowering the confidence of the defence, which is in turn causing them to make silly plays that lead to shots on net, which are let in by a weak goalie. I don’t buy for a second the fallacy of Dubnyk being OK, and the defence ruining everything. They’re screwing things up together.

    Time for a goalie trade.

  95. "Steve Smith" says:

    Hockeyman 99:
    bookje,

    I know what your role is here now you’re the joker

    I’ve always thought of him as more of a midnight toker, what with the way he speaks the pompetus of love, and all.

  96. Romulus Apotheosis says:
  97. bookje says:

    “Steve Smith”: I’ve always thought of him as more of a midnight toker, what with the way he speaks the pompetus of love, and all.

    Sure, maybe in one of my drunken stupors.

  98. Lucinius says:

    Oilers need to score on this powerplay. Badly.

  99. Lowetide says:

    Nuckout: Good solid defence helps good goalies rise their game, just as great goaltending helps a solid defence stay solid.

    None of that is happening right now, but it needs to start with a confident netminder, and the defence can be left to stay to their assignments.

    One could say that the “weak” goaltending is lowering the confidence of the defence, which is in turn causing them to make silly plays that lead to shots on net, which are let in by a weak goalie. I don’t buy for a second the fallacy of Dubnyk being OK, and the defence ruining everything. They’re screwing things up together.

    Time for a goalie trade.

    I agree. Keep Dubnyk, get a strong, strong backup (Bishop would have been great) and then use both of them through season’s end. No problem with that.

  100. Lucinius says:

    Nice!

    After the outright ROBBERY, Hall gets the goal we need.

  101. "Steve Smith" says:

    bookje: Sure, maybe in one of my drunken stupors.

    Was that you drunk down at the Danforth, Maurice?

    Hey, we scored!

  102. icecastles says:

    Hall! Finally!

    Even the homer Tampa Bay commentators have ceded that Edmonton is completely outplaying them this period.

  103. Hockeyman 99 says:

    bookje,
    Are you saying Tampa has been better than Edmonton.

  104. Nuckout says:

    Lowetide: I agree. Keep Dubnyk, get a strong, strong backup (Bishop would have been great) and then use both of them through season’s end. No problem with that.

    Ok, I was hinting at trading Dubnyk in a package for a solid starter, but I’ll meet you there in the middle.

  105. Fixall with Rexall says:

    Ovechkin, Kessel and now Stamkos. The oilers allow a teams best player to be their best player on a consistent basis. This team is highlited on every goal scorers calendar.

  106. Nuckout says:

    3-2. Great PP goal. We’s halfway there!

  107. hunter1909 says:

    So long as Dubnyk can basically not let any more goals in this game is winnable.

  108. Lowetide says:

    “Steve Smith”: Was that you drunk down at the Danforth, Maurice?

    Hey, we scored!

    I so wish Murray McLaughlin’s Down by the Henry Moore would be remade into down by the Danforth

  109. Hockeyman 99 says:

    Edmonton Out shooting T-Bay 36-23

  110. VanOil says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: That’s not what I meant… just thought he might have been saying they were tanking for this year, which doesn’t make sense.

    I know I deliberately miss interpenetrated your comment for my own purposes. I am a bad blog post commenter and feel shame.

    But Durin is really good even without Mackinnon who was really really good.

  111. Lucinius says:

    Hemsky’s had a great game tonight. Sacrificing the body, setting people up, drawing penalties (that was a very soft call, but it evened that score up).

  112. Lowetide says:

    Goal and an assist for Platzer tonight, now 17, 6-5-11.

    Hemsky with the craziest pass in history.

  113. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    VanOil: I know I deliberately miss interpenetrated your comment for my own purposes. I am a bad blog post commenter and feel shame.

    But Durin is really good even without Mackinnon who was really really good.

    You spelled Draisaitl wrong.

  114. godot10 says:

    So, is Jonas Hiller going to choose Edmonton or Brooklyn next summer, or maybe Pittsburgh.

  115. justDOit says:

    Bribed the bartender in the hotel lounge to put the Oiler game on, just as they scored the 2nd goal. Well, that’s all right…

  116. Lowetide says:

    Nuckout: Ok, I was hinting at trading Dubnyk in a package for a solid starter, but I’ll meet you there in the middle.

    NYI? I’m not sure you’d get a big payout for DD. He’s a heavy price and not exactly a solution at this point.

  117. hunter1909 says:

    I’m going to get a drink to give them luck.

    Whisky.

  118. Lowetide says:

    hunter1909:
    So long as Dubnyk can basically not let any more goals in this game is winnable.

    Candles, Hunter. Candles.

  119. bookje says:

    Hockeyman 99:
    bookje,
    Are you saying Tampa has been better than Edmonton.

    I didn’t say anyone was a communist.

  120. Lowetide says:

    Hockeyman 99:
    bookje,
    Are you saying Tampa has been better than Edmonton.

    It’ll be a damn shame if the Oilers don’t win this game. A damn shame

  121. justDOit says:

    hunter1909:
    I’m going to get a drink to give them luck.

    Atta boy – think good thoughts, too.

  122. VanOil says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: You spelled Draisaitl wrong.

    So did his parents.

  123. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    Goal and an assist for Platzer tonight, now 17, 6-5-11.

    Hemsky with the craziest pass in history.

    Do we have any idea on his TOI (I know we don’t)… but have we got anything?

    IF he is playing 3C TOI and has those boxcars… that is fantastic.

  124. Lucinius says:

    As bothersome as losing this game would be, as a fan, these are the kind of games I don’t mind them losing — where they outplayed the other team. Sure, you need to win those.. but it sure as shit beats the losses where the Oilers iced the ECHL team.

  125. Henry says:

    They may lose tonight but this is nit the lifeless bunch that played detroit on hnic. The forecheck is tenacious lots of creativity. If tb wins it is all hot bishop.

  126. bookje says:

    We are playing the clueless misinterpretations game, right?

  127. Nuckout says:

    Lowetide: NYI? I’m not sure you’d get a big payout for DD. He’s a heavy price and not exactly a solution at this point.

    Meh. Nabokov is old, and I don’t think that’s a solution. Going with trading for a backup, I wonder if LAK would be willing to part ways with Scrivens? I said from the first game I saw him that he would turn into a good starter one day.

  128. Henry says:

    The ship was listing but eakins looks to have righted it.

  129. Lowetide says:

    GREAT play by Yakupov and almost a goal for Gordon! WOW, that would have been sweet.

  130. Nuckout says:

    What a pass by Yak. Holy hell.

  131. Lucinius says:

    Damn. Bishop has won this for TB. He’s been very bloody good.

  132. "Steve Smith" says:

    bookje,

    No thanks; I take it neat.

  133. VanOil says:

    bookje:
    We are playing the clueless misinterpretations game, right?

    Yes but naming the game means you have to drink.

  134. GordM says:

    What the hell is our present balance in the Hockey Gods account? This team earned a better fate than down by 1 with 2 min left

  135. DBO says:

    wtf do we have to do to get an icing against Tampa. Seriously

  136. striatic says:

    So why didn’t we trade for Bishop again?

    LT wanted Bishop if I recall correctly. He gets major “I told you so” points if that’s the case.

  137. icecastles says:

    Good lord. There’s no way this game remains 3-2.

    Fixall with Rexall: The oilers allow a teams best player to be their best player

    I know what you’re trying to say (I think), but you do understand that Stamkos and Ovechkin have been known to score on other teams too, right? A lot? That’s sort of what makes them top players.

    Edit: Okay that’s NOT what I meant.

  138. Lucinius says:

    Whelp. We lost. Deserved much better but Bishop won that game for TB. Shit happens.

  139. "Steve Smith" says:

    Cock and balls.

  140. Rebilled says:

    The team with horrible passing shouldn’t pull the goalie.

  141. hunter1909 says:

    Enjoyable game. Against no-hit team Tampa, Oilers looked okay.

    25 other NHL teams hit, unfortunately.

    Hall was Bobby Hull 3.0

    The whisky didn’t work, but that means I won’t still drink it.

  142. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    VanOil: So did his parents.

    We should start sending them fruit baskets and Oiler socks.

  143. Nuckout says:

    Not to sound like Eakins-circa-4-5-games-ago, but a ton of positives. Saw some great defensive play (aside from, you know, the goals), and tons of offense. Tons of shots. They can hold their heads up high tonight. Except for Dubnyk. Sorry.

    Time to take out some aggression on Philly, no?

  144. Andy P says:

    striatic:
    So why didn’t we trade for Bishop again?

    LT wanted Bishop if I recall correctly. He gets major “I told you so” points if that’s the case.

    Isnt that the no-trade that got Dithers fired? Or am I thinking of someone else again??

  145. godot10 says:

    striatic:
    So why didn’t we trade for Bishop again?

    LT wanted Bishop if I recall correctly. He gets major “I told you so” points if that’s the case.

    Bryan Murray wanted an offensive winger who could contribute immediately to his playoff bound offensively challenged team.

    The OIlers would have had to offer somebody better than Cory Conacher.

  146. Lowetide says:

    Andy P: Isnt that the no-trade that got Dithers fired? Or am I thinking of someone else again??

    No, that was the one.

  147. RMGS says:

    Lucinius: We lost. Deserved much better but (other goalie) won that game for (other team). Dubnyk happens.

    Script for 2/3 of the season? :)

  148. OilClog says:

    I’ve been drinking and thinking. If we put out a cardboard cut out and ice 6 skaters.. Are the Oilers better? Probably.

  149. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Not an excuse but an observation… the ice down there is brutal.

    It’s good to see the team and Yak and Omark all play (to my eye) well. Not perfect, but good. I had questions about all of them.

    I think Yak is starting to get it. The way he muscled through that holding non-call to make that pass was beautiful.

    Omark earned another game to my eye. Even if Perron and Joensuu are back. He creates offence and keeps possession of the puck and he’s relentless.

    I prefer Larsen at this point to J Schultz.

    Hall didn’t look like he lost a step. great sign.

  150. justDOit says:

    Off topic, but exactly how many women do SN employ, who look like adult film stars?

    Answer: All of them.

  151. Lucinius says:

    RMGS,

    Now that’s depressing given its relative truth.

    Still.. the game was one of the most entertaining of the season — though the refs did their best to muck even that up.

  152. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Not an excuse but an observation… the ice down there is brutal.

    It’s good to see the team and Yak and Omark all play (to my eye) well. Not perfect, but good. I had questions about all of them.

    I think Yak is starting to get it. The way he muscled through that holding non-call to make that pass was beautiful.

    Omark earned another game to my eye. Even if Perron and Joensuu are back. He creates offence and keeps possession of the puck and he’s relentless.

    I prefer Larsen at this point to J Schultz.

    Hall didn’t look like he lost a step. great sign.

    Agree on all points but Larsen. I like him, but he has a lot of chaos too and isn’t as gifted as Schlitz.

  153. Zelepukin says:

    Nuckout:
    Not to sound like Eakins-circa-4-5-games-ago, but a ton of positives. Saw some great defensive play (aside from, you know, the goals), and tons of offense. Tons of shots. They can hold their heads up high tonight. Except for Dubnyk. Sorry.

    Time to take out some aggression on Philly, no?

    Agreed. At this point our D is looking100 times better than opening night.

    Larsen and Fedun are becoming reliable options. Jultz has serious competition.

    Schultz is playing confident, making smart passes out of the zone.

    Arco is starting to look more comfortable on the wing.

    Nuge is flying, dishing it and winning faceoffs.

    Gags still looks kind of lost in his own zone.

    You could tell Hallsy started push the play more effectively after he had a period under his knee.

  154. icecastles says:

    justDOit: but exactly how many women do SN employ, who look like adult film stars?

    If only one of them could deliver a report without yelling in a man voice.

  155. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Andy P: Isnt that the no-trade that got Dithers fired? Or am I thinking of someone else again??

    I know I’m in the minority… but someone should have been fired for not matching OTT in his first trade.

  156. kooler says:

    Great goaltending won….but a good effort. Interesting to see the full team together.

  157. RMGS says:

    Lowetide: I like him, but he has a lot of chaos too and isn’t as gifted as Schlitz.

    Nor did Larsen make Milwaukee famous.

  158. Lowetide says:

    Jason Gregor ‏@JasonGregor 9m

    When Oilers eliminate bad turnovers they could be quite good. Controlled play for majority of game but giveaways cost them.

  159. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: Agree on all points but Larsen. I like him, but he has a lot of chaos too and isn’t as gifted as Schlitz.

    How about we split the difference?

    The other day I suggested maybe they keep Larsen as the 7 and platoon him with Schultz. maybe Larsen plays every 3rd or 4th game? (not a regular rotation… I just mean he plays that many, whenever Eakins feels it)

  160. Nuckout says:

    Zelepukin: Agreed. At this point our D is looking100 times better than opening night.

    Larsen and Fedun are becoming reliable options. Jultz has serious competition.

    Schultz is playing confident, making smart passes out of the zone.

    Arco is starting to look more comfortable on the wing.

    Nuge is flying, dishing it and winning faceoffs.

    Gags still looks kind of lost in his own zone.

    You could tell Hallsy started push the play more effectively after he had a period under his knee.

    This is a team learning together and getting the cobwebs out. Progress is being made so quietly, you wouldn’t even know it. You’ll see this team come together in a way not many thought was possible this season. Things are looking up. Still no playoffs, though. That’s the price for learning on the job.

  161. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    RMGS: Lowetide: I like him, but he has a lot of chaos too and isn’t as gifted as Schlitz.
    Nor did Larsen make Milwaukee famous.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSMF-4b6wr4

  162. striatic says:

    godot10: The OIlers would have had to offer somebody better than Cory Conacher.

    So Hemsky. Who they were trying to move over the summer anyway.

    Delightful.

  163. Nuckout says:

    Also, I’m really surprised no one gutted me like a fish for the Scrivens idea.

    I remember drunkenly saying one night he’d be the next Ken Dryden. Boy, was I ever drunk.

  164. RMGS says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSMF-4b6wr4

    Close enough … not that there’s anything wrong with it.

  165. flyfish1168 says:

    Lowetide:
    Jason Gregor ‏@JasonGregor 9m

    When Oilers eliminate bad turnovers they could be quite good. Controlled play for majority of game but giveaways cost them.

    Lowetide,

    On Yaks I don’t completely blame him. Hallsy I believe gave him a dangerous pass.

    On Eberles I don’t understand why Ference would skate it out and have his teammates moving their feet. one person’s opinion

  166. Lowetide says:

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 8m

    “I feel like there’s a lot of games where we out-shoot the opposition… We battled hard and competed hard.” – Taylor Hall (1G

  167. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    The other thing about Omark is Eakins sits him for long stretches… but every time he seemed to come out ready to play.

    I think that is the sign of a player you can slot on the 4th line comfortably and move up and down the pairings as you like.

  168. RMGS says:

    Lowetide:
    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 8m

    “I feel like there’s a lot of games where we out-shoot the opposition… but our goalie rarely makes the big save for us.” – what Taylor Hall was thinking.

  169. Lowetide says:

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 1m

    “I thought (Bishop) stole the game… We made 3 mistakes tonight and 2 of them went to the wrong player.” – Eakins on Stamkos’ goals

  170. Hockeyman 99 says:

    We need a Goalie. Who are the realistic candidates.

  171. Traktor says:

    Edmonton could have 10 more points this season is they had average goaltending.

    But they don’t.

  172. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    flyfish1168: Lowetide,

    On Yaks I don’t completely blame him. Hallsy I believe gave him a dangerous pass.

    On Eberles I don’t understand why Ference would skate it out and have his teammates moving their feet.one person’s opinion

    A couple of things go differently on that play and we’re hearing Jon Cooper talk about how “#4 put #64 in a bad position” and bemoaning the loss of Yak for an extended period to concussion.

  173. Lowetide says:

    Hockeyman 99:
    We need a Goalie. Who are the realistic candidates.

    Hiller is the obvious one, but why Anaheim would send him here is beyond me. Teams aren’t in a mood to give up their capable goalies–even backups–because of injury concerns.

  174. Hockeyman 99 says:

    Lowetide,

    elliot has the numbers. Why doesn’t he get to play.

  175. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Hockeyman 99:
    We need a Goalie. Who are the realistic candidates.

    I think Khudo will be an interesting FA this offseason unless/until he gets extended early.

    Of note: we whiffed on all of: Bishop, Bernier and Schneids… (not to mentions the Euros and College guys). The Oil are chasing the right targets.

  176. Hockeyman 99 says:

    I heard earlier in the year Edm could have him for Pitlick.

  177. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I think Khudo will be an interesting FA this offseason until he gets extended early.

    Of note: we whiffed on all of: Bishop, Bernier and Schneids… (not to mentions the Euros and College guys). The Oil are chasing the right targets.

    Very good point.

  178. fifthcartel says:

    Even Scrivens would be an interesting option at this point. Dubnyk/LaBarbera has been a disaster.

  179. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Larsen lead the team in TOI and had 3 shots. Hall had a massive 8 shots on net. wow.

  180. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    Dallas gave up on Larson why?

  181. D says:

    Man this team is not very good. The Oilers need a lot of work to finish this rebuild.

  182. RMGS says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Larsen lead the team in TOI and had 3 shots.

    But, is he as refreshing as Schiltz on a hot summer day?

  183. godot10 says:

    Eliot is likely not an improvement on Dubnyk. He has one had one fluke great season amidst a history of awfulness.

  184. Lowetide says:

    Well Oiled and Enthusiastic: )

    Larsen is a nice mobile defender but he’s more offense than defense. He’s not one dimensional–he can defend–but there’s enough holes for him to be considered part of the Potter family.

  185. justDOit says:

    Lowetide:
    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 8m

    “I feel like there’s a lot of games where we out-shoot the opposition… We battled hard and competed hard.” – Taylor Hall (1G

    We battle hard, but it ended up like always.

  186. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Well Oiled and Enthusiastic:
    Dallas gave up on Larson why?

    He had a one-way deal, an off year and some of their other young studs stepped up.

    I think the one-way was the biggest issue … that and they didn’t want to eat all of 10′s cap without something leaving.

  187. Hockeyman 99 says:

    godot10,

    Very likely. So he’s out.

  188. flyfish1168 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I wish Hall would have skated it up the ice or go north south with the passes. I see the Oilers doing to many east west passes. “Up the ice and keep it deep.” My coach use to say

  189. Hockeyman 99 says:

    So how much better is this team with Reimer and Franson or Gardner for Gagner. Or how much more does Arco have to show to make him + enough for Reimer.

  190. Lowetide says:

    Dennis King ‏@DKingBH 44s

    Here’s how Oilers manage to lose games while soundly outchancing other teams: they lose netminding battle And they make the biggest mistakes

    Dennis will be on the show tomorrow morning at 11.

  191. VanOil says:

    Looking ahead I see some positives. Philly is upcoming and nobody has lost a goal tending battle to them since Hextall unless fighting counts. Chicago may play its back up, I have heard he stinks.

  192. RMGS says:

    Lowetide:
    Dennis King ‏@DKingBH 44s

    Here’s how Oilers manage to lose games while soundly outchancing other teams: they lose netminding battle And they make the biggest mistakes

    Dennis will be on the show tomorrow morning at 11.

    Dennis King ‏@DKingBH 10m

    Oilers lose the netminding battle pretty much each and every night; flip the goalies around and Edm has 6 goals easy this evening
    Retweeted by Jonathan Willis

  193. Lowetide says:

    Hockeyman 99:
    So how much better is this team with ReimerandFranson or Gardner for Gagner. Or how much more does Arco have to show to make him + enough for Reimer.

    The problem imo is that Arcobello would need to play well for another 100+ games to prove himself–he’s always going to have a journeyman career even if he plays well due to size/strength issues.

    Toronto isn’t likely to deal Reimer because he’s terrificl insurance against Bernier injury/struggles. Berner doesn’t have a long history of success as a starter in the NHL.

  194. Hockeyman 99 says:

    RMGS,

    I agree even though its bat shit crazy

  195. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    Lowetide,

    Admittedly, he has been a nice surprise. Skates well, moves the puck well, works hard to get back in position when he moves in on a sortie and all that in only 97 NHL games. With mentoring and 100 more games, he looks like a very useful utility D that can do a lot of things well, but nothing fantastic. One of those ‘value’ players that don’t do boneheaded things and can play a possession game. Not sure where he ends up, but I’ve been impressed.

  196. Nuckout says:

    VanOil:
    Looking ahead I see some positives. Philly is upcoming and nobody has lost a goal tending battle to them since Hextall unless fighting counts. Chicago may play its back up, I have heard he stinks.

    Well, now you’ve gone and done it.

  197. Hockeyman 99 says:

    Lowetide,

    So hard decisions need to be made and we can’t fill the holes fast enough through the draft. Whats the plan? I would move Gags before the three firsts and ebs if we get what we need. Tor needs a centre, we need a goalie. What other alternatives are there out there?

  198. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: Hockeyman 99:
    So how much better is this team with ReimerandFranson or Gardner for Gagner. Or how much more does Arco have to show to make him + enough for Reimer.
    The problem imo is that Arcobello would need to play well for another 100+ games to prove himself–he’s always going to have a journeyman career even if he plays well due to size/strength issues.
    Toronto isn’t likely to deal Reimer because he’s terrificl insurance against Bernier injury/struggles. Berner doesn’t have a long history of success as a starter in the NHL.

    Have to agree here… but add a caveat…

    you can make that deal, keep Arco in a complementary role and sign one of Grabo, Flippula, or Weiss. Or trade for RyJo or something.

  199. Lowetide says:

    RMGS: Dennis King ‏@DKingBH 10m

    Oilers lose the netminding battle pretty much each and every night; flip the goalies around and Edm has 6 goals easy this evening
    Retweeted by Jonathan Willis

    I don’t think any of the goals tonight were poor. Now, that doesn’t mean Dubnyk has been good, he was terrible in the early 4 and then had a decent run and has been uneven since. My point earlier had to do with tonight: the chances given up by the Oilers were horrible AND to the one guy you never want to see with the puck.

    However, I remain convinced that tonight had to do more with giveaways than Dubnyk’s poor play. I think fans are skewering him tonight but he doesn’t deserve it. He HAS in the past.

  200. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Hockeyman 99: Tor needs a centre,

    What?!!!

    They signed Tambo’s savior, mr. Smithson!!! they’re good.

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