OILERS AT PANTHERS G16, 13-14

A season that has already produced casualties may result in some familiar faces being sent away as the growing pains continue. The Oilers have made trades on road trips, but don’t make deals in November. Then again, this isn’t a normal November. Or maybe it is, and that’s the problem.

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The Oilers don’t make a lot of trades in November. Here’s the count since 2000:

  1. November 10, 2000: Oilers trade Bill Guerin and their 2001 1st rd pick (Shaonne Morrissonn) to Boston for Anson Carter and the Bruins 1st rd pick in 2001 (Ales Hemsky).
  2. November 11, 2005: Oilers claim C Krys Kolanos off waivers from Phoenix.
  3. November 11, 2008: Oilers claim F Jesse Boulerice off waivers from  Colorado.
  4. November 11, 2009: Oilers lose F Steve MacIntyre to Florida via waivers.
  5. November 10, 2011: Oilers re-claim D Taylor Chorney off waivers from St. Louis.

This is not a major list. However,

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There’s any number of players on either team (Anaheim: Hiller, Maroon; NYR: list below) the Oilers might be interested in, and it appears that the Rangers are kicking tires on Hemsky with a Yakupov chaser. There are lots of Rangers to like (McDonagh, Del Zotto, Kreider, Brassard) and Slats loves, loves, loves trading for skill when that skill is down on its luck. He did it plenty here and continues to do it in NYC.

My guess is that Hemsky goes to Manhattan, with someone like Brassard or JT Miller heading here. Hiller is the obvious Anaheim connection, but the smart play is to let Dubnyk establish himself as the #1 again. Trading Yakupov this early–and when he’s struggling–is not a sound decision based on history.

Jonathan Willis has a nice article on waiver eligible Rostislav Olesz and makes a strong argument for picking him up.

lost5Ryan Smyth returns tonight, I’m fond of that guy and I think he’s proven a few people wrong this year–the club badly needs him to play his heart out tonight. Knowing Eakins he’ll play 28 minutes and sweat off 80 pounds, but this team needs a win.

  • Nuge-Hemsky-Eberle (this line needs to score 9 points)
  • Gagner-Smyth-Yakupov (love moving Yak to R, smart decision.Showcase?)
  • Gordon-Jones-Arcobello (Gordon has a sore foot, Arcobello at R again)
  • Acton-Gazdic-Eager (it irritates me that THIS is the healthy line)
  • Smid-Petry (settle things down, men)
  • Ference-Larsen (this is a guess)
  • N Schultz-Fedun (also a guess, thrilled for Fedun)
  • Dubnyk (back in the South Beach groove)

Hall is likely back on the weekend (SAT-Philly, SUN-Chi-town) and my word we’ve missed him.

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EDMONTON OILERS RE 2013-14

NAME GP G A PTS
TAYLOR HALL  70 37 45 82
JORDAN EBERLE  78 28 37 65
RYAN NUGENT HOPKINS  62 21 42 63
NAIL YAKUPOV  82 29 23 52
SAM GAGNER   82 15 37 52
DAVID PERRON 69 20 24 44
ALES HEMSKY  66 11 25 36
RYAN SMYTH  72 12 16 28

My projections are in the ditch. Hall (76, 25-42-67) and Eberle (projected for 82, 16-38-54) aren’t out of sight yet, but Yak City (80, 6-12-18) is long gone blue. Nugent-Hopkins (on track for 80, 25-37-62) may hit the point total but in many more games. Perron (80, 12-43-55) is ahead of the game but (of course) injured and we don’t have a timeline for return and Smyth (75, 28-9-37) is also tracking well. Gagner has zero points in 2 games, we’ll have to wait awhile to see how he tracks.

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A lot of talk about Kevin Lowe, Craig MacTavish and Dallas Eakins getting fired, but I’m not buying. Craig MacTavish didn’t survive cancer, get his degree and build his resume for a GM job so he could crawl down the hallway and ask Kevin Lowe if he could have the key to the executive washroom. That’s not his style. Lowe may indeed be called in for his expertise, but the buck stops with MacT–I can’t imagine it any other way.

As for Eakins: they hired him for his ideas and ability to turn promising players into NHL players, and you have to give it time. I have a few questions about his decisions, but that’s true of any coach we’ve seen since arriving at the game and evaluating from a coach/manager point-of-view. Eakins has had a rough go, and he’s going to have to change some things, but firing him now is a bad idea.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

lost3TSN 1260 at 10 this morning, Oiler game tonight and Oil Kings too. Scheduled to appear:

  1. Bruce McCurdy from Cult of Hockey. Bruce is the calm, experienced voice of reason. We’ll attempt to keep each other from jumping off the ledge.
  2. Andrew Bucholtz 55 yard line. The Eskimos fired their coach yesterday, and the GM is going to search the world over for a new solution.
  3. Ryan Batty, Copper and Blue. The interview outline suggests we’ll talk about tonight’s game, Hall’s return and what MacT can do, but with Batty the discussions usually wander. So, expect submarines and locusts.
  4. Corey Graham, Oil Kings pbp on TSN 1260. Corey gives us an update on the OK and their improving record.

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  1. regwald says:

    Also of note, Eakins was smart enough to ask for a 4 yr deal given the merry go round of coaches the past 5 years. That is a bit extra of an insurance policy. Not impossible to fire him, but more expensive to do so.

    I believed they should have kept Renney and then kept Krueger. Quinn had to go. Stability is the sign of a strong organization. Throwing another coach under the bus is … well, NOT.

  2. Lowetide says:

    regwald:
    Also of note, Eakins was smart enough to ask for a 4 yr deal given the merry go round of coaches the past 5 years. That is a bit extra of an insurance policy. Not impossible to fire him, but more expensive to do so.

    I believed they should have kept Renney and then kept Krueger. Quinn had to go. Stability is the sign of a strong organization. Throwing another coach under the bus is … well, NOT.

    The problems that were here with Renney and Krueger are very likely the problems that Eakins is encountering now. From what we can read, Eakins isn’t asking them to become Lemaire’s Legion, he’s asking for buy in and responsibility.

    I go back to the Hall pass that ended up on Trouba’s stick in game one: sure it’s the goaltending, sure it’s injury, but it’s also about giving wins away in the blink of an eye.

  3. RMGS says:

    That Brooks “report” on Yakupov is ridiculous:

    “The Blueshirts are likely one of the few teams in the NHL apt to even consider trading for the skilled but finicky 20-year-old Russian, whom many in the industry believe is difficult to coach and liable to bolt for the KHL, an international league based in Russia.”

    Either this is lazy reporting or “many in the industry” prefer prejudice to the truth.

    The only way MacT isn’t hoodwinked by his former coach is if he gets McDonagh back for Yak, and that’s not happening.

  4. Lowetide says:

    RMGS:
    That Brooks “report” on Yakupov is ridiculous:

    “The Blueshirts are likely one of the few teams in the NHL apt to even consider trading for the skilled but finicky 20-year-old Russian, whom many in the industry believe is difficult to coach and liable to bolt for the KHL, an international league based in Russia.”

    Either this is lazy reporting or “many in the industry” prefer prejudice to the truth.

    The only way MacT isn’t hoodwinked by his former coach is if he gets McDonagh back for Yak, and that’s not happening.

    The reporting on Yakupov has been beyond bias (bbb). Dreger’s item about Yakupov not being Reimer worthy seems to have ignited crazy.

  5. regwald says:

    Lowetide: The problems that were here with Renney and Krueger are very likely the problems that Eakins is encountering now. From what we can read, Eakins isn’t asking them to become Lemaire’s Legion, he’s asking for buy in and responsibility.

    I go back to the Hall pass that ended up on Trouba’s stick in game one:sure it’s the goaltending, sure it’s injury, but it’s also about giving wins away in the blink of an eye.

    Agreed. The buy in issues are not new and will not be fixed overnight.

    The Oilers have been really good at giving up “5 bell chances” since October 1. Blame goalies, but bad team defence and mistakes/giveaways are two characteristics this team needs to correct.

  6. nycoil says:

    RMGS,

    Don’t read much into Brooks’ reporting. He is notorious for this sort of thing. Take it with a grain of salt. I don’t doubt the Oilers and Rangers are kicking tires on some stuff. The silence on Rick Nash here in NY is deafening. The Rangers lack scoring with him out.

    Having a partial season pass to the Rangers, I can tell you: Del Zotto is a bit overrated, so is Kreider. Hagelin is underrated, Brassard is inconsistent, McDonagh is untouchable (you’d need to offer RNH to get Slats to bite on that one–and I am not saying you should–what was Gainey thinking?)

    Eakins and MacT have both been served some humble pie after their bold words in the summer and in the early part of this season. I do think they are both smart men, and will figure it out, but they have been taken down a rung or two from their early confidence. Eakins, in particular, had a lot of pomp and circumstance around his early press conferences, but now he is facing the reality of the winter of discontent. I just hope they realize the things that are fixable and should be fixed (PP, PK, goaltending depth, 6minute a night 4th line), and the things that need tweaking but shouldn’t be messed with on a large scale (the core kids + Nurse and Klefbom).

  7. thejonrmcleod says:

    “Bruce is the calm, experienced voice of reason”…especially when Dustin Brown draws an Oilers’ tripping penalty.

  8. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Bohologo: Even if you despise the Leafs, which is reasonable, it’s likely worth putting on your holiday wish list.

    Funny, one of the reasons I now despise the Leafs is the way they treated Dave Keon back in the ’70s. A wonderful hockeyist, a complicated man. With Bidini at the wheel I’ll bet that’s an interesting read.

  9. Thiru says:

    Lowetide: The problems that were here with Renney and Krueger are very likely the problems that Eakins is encountering now. From what we can read, Eakins isn’t asking them to become Lemaire’s Legion, he’s asking for buy in and responsibility.

    I go back to the Hall pass that ended up on Trouba’s stick in game one:sure it’s the goaltending, sure it’s injury, but it’s also about giving wins away in the blink of an eye.

    Hall is a great player, but I think the reason Ference is captain has more to do with Hall’s attitude than anything that Ference brings, per se.

    Things like that brutal, brain dead giveaway are but one example.

    Why wouldn’t they want him or Eberle or Gagner wearing the C? I think we’re starting to see why.

    They’re not entirely shitty people, but they’re not a Landeskog or Tavares or Toews, that’s for damn sure.

    These are guys who have gotten accustomed to zero criticism, easy ice-time, no repercussions for selfish play, and are now getting paid.

    I can’t wait until Eakins calls those little shits out in the media.

  10. Doomoil says:

    godot10:
    I’m a contrarian.If you guys were all negative, I would look for silver linings.You guys are all hopeful and positive, so my contrarian nature demands that I be Debbie Downer.

    This is nonsense.

    ‘I’m a contrarian therefore I am forced to make up dumb bullshit to fit my insane point of view.’

    Unless you’re actually Kerry Diotte. That would answer a lot of questions.

  11. Lowetide says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Funny, one of the reasons I now despise the Leafs is the way they treated Dave Keon back in the ’70s. A wonderful hockeyist, a complicated man. With Bidini at the wheel I’ll bet that’s an interesting read.

    Agreed on all counts. Ballard was an all world asshole.

  12. RMGS says:

    This may have been posted already, but the Ference After Hours interview is very revealing – a lot in the first half about breaking bad habits, the “young-old’ divide, defensive commitment:

    http://www.cbc.ca/sports-content/hockeynightincanada/afterhours/video/#id=2415774749&tab=1

  13. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    “Shaonne Morrissonn”

    I’m really not sure about this. Gaelic? At any rate, it is very confusing to look at.

    ——
    “November 10, 2000: Oilers trade Bill Guerin and their 2001 1st rd pick (Shaonne Morrissonn) to Boston for Anson Carter and the Bruins 1st rd pick in 2001 (Ales Hemsky).”

    Let this not be a blueprint of the future. Guerin… holy hannah.

    ——-
    I don’t mind the idea of changing an assistant coach or trading Hemsky or N. Schultz… but Yak… no. not unless the boatload coming back travels in some kind of swarm.

    Besides, the future lies in Draisaitl. The Wrath of God will serve us well.

  14. Vaclav says:

    I hope the Oilers brass saw Frederik Andersen good at that Ducks/Rangers game. Because he should be one of their top goaltending targets. With John Gibson the heir apparent to the Hiller/Fasth tandem could the Oilers pry Andersen out of the Ducks organization?

  15. bookje says:

    I am really hoping to see a Headline like this in two weeks. “Oilers defeat Flames extending winning streak to 4 games” with a few statements like “the Detroit game was the turning point” and “team came together after that loss ” and “bought into Eakins system” and “Yakupov seems to have woken up from an October slumber” and “Dubnyk looked like a solid #1 goaltender”.

    I know, I know, the pessimists think I am insane for hoping for this, but one thing I have learned is that teams at this stage are volitile, they look like world beaters at times and at other times they look like pee wee players. This may indeed be the slow decline to a failed rebuild, but I wouldn’t bet either way. I think the odds of this team looking really good in 4 months are about the same as them looking really bad.

  16. art vandelay says:

    @Doomoil,
    Don’t worry. The new arena will fix anything that’s bothering you. Just ask Howie Mandel. Or the other alderstooges who voted for it.

  17. G Money says:

    Thiru: These are guys who have gotten accustomed to zero criticism, easy ice-time, no repercussions for selfish play, and are now getting paid.
    I can’t wait until Eakins calls those little shits out in the media.

    Yikes.

    I was wondering when the Oiler faithful would turn on the youngsters. Guess it’s started.

    No mention of how Hall (selfish play or not) plays balls to the wall every night?
    How Eberle plays hurt for the good of the team?
    How Gagner, all 5′ 11″ of him will stand up for his teammates?
    How RNH fights through targeted dirty play after dirty play, night after night?

    Not “they need to buy into the system or they should be benched.” Not “they should be called out by their teammates.”

    Nope. Now they’re easy ice-time overpaid little shits.

    Shades of Arnott. Can’t wait to til we drive yet more talent out of this town.

    Maybe – collectively as fans – we do deserve this team.

  18. Doomoil says:

    art vandelay,

    Kerry Diotte’s opinion of the Arena isn’t in the top 5 reasons why he was possibly the worst councilman Edmonton has ever had.

    The best part of this election wasn’t Iveson winning, it was Diotte losing.

  19. G Money says:

    bookje: I know, I know, the pessimists think I am insane for hoping for this, but one thing I have learned is that teams at this stage are volitile, they look like world beaters at times and at other times they look like pee wee players.

    Not insane – good goaltending and more effort on defensive positioning and this team is 5 or 6 games ahead of where it is now, and the same folks going overboard torching the team as having nothing going for it would be over the moon and planning the parade.

    There are few reasoned voices in Oiler fandom, and thankfully this site has many of them! Leaning into the wind is always tougher …

  20. Schitzo says:

    Guys, I found out some very upsetting news. Did you know that 63%* of the teams in the league have given their captain some sort of NTC/NMC?

    THE LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY IS UNACCEPTABLE.

    I don’t know about you guys, but the only reason I even watch hockey is so that I can turn on the captain and run him out of town. With so many unaccountable captains running around, it’s like the league doesn’t even care about the average fan any more.

    *Getzlaf, Chara, Giordano, E. Staal, Toews, Benn, Ference, M. Koivu, Giona, Tavares, Spezza, Crosby, Doan, Thornton, Backes, St. Louis, Sedin, Ovechkin, Ladd

  21. Bar_Qu says:

    Doomoil: This is nonsense.

    ‘I’m a contrarian therefore I am forced to make up dumb bullshit to fit my insane point of view.’

    Unless you’re actually Kerry Diotte. That would answer a lot of questions.

    Godot has really riled people up if we are dragging him into a thread where he hasn’t commented yet.

    I am really expecting an Oilers win tonight. Unless they lose. Or tie, lose/win in OT/shootout.

    I am quite definitive on this.

  22. Doomoil says:

    G Money: Yikes.

    I was wondering when the Oiler faithful would turn on the youngsters.Guess it’s started.

    No mention of how Hall (selfish play or not) plays balls to the wall every night?
    How Eberle plays hurt for the good of the team?
    How Gagner, all 5′ 11″ of him will stand up for his teammates?
    How RNH fights through targeted dirty play after dirty play, night after night?

    Not “they need to buy into the system or they should be benched.”Not “they should be called out by their teammates.”

    Nope.Now they’re easy ice-time overpaid little shits.

    Shades of Arnott. Can’t wait to til we drive yet more talent out of this town.

    Maybe – collectively as fans – we do deserve this team.

    Taylor Hall, who’s best quote in the off season was along the lines of ‘I know I’m not very good defensively and I need to work at becoming better in that part of the game.”

    What a little shit he is!

  23. Clarkenstein says:

    So KLowe is in NYC thinking trade! What could possibly go wrong here??!!

  24. hunter1909 says:

    It’s going to be a whole heap of fun, runnin’ these little shits out of town.

    So glad we no longer need to worry about winning the cup anytime soon, anytime ever.

    Kevin Lowe = mean hearted Irishman = the very worst type of Irishman = influence that permeates right through the team, management, everything.

    Okay. It might be fun, playing troll instead of constructive fan.

  25. RMGS says:

    G Money: Yikes.

    I was wondering when the Oiler faithful would turn on the youngsters.Guess it’s started.

    No mention of how Hall (selfish play or not) plays balls to the wall every night?
    How Eberle plays hurt for the good of the team?
    How Gagner, all 5′ 11″ of him will stand up for his teammates?
    How RNH fights through targeted dirty play after dirty play, night after night?

    Not “they need to buy into the system or they should be benched.”Not “they should be called out by their teammates.”

    Nope.Now they’re easy ice-time overpaid little shits.

    Shades of Arnott. Can’t wait to til we drive yet more talent out of this town.

    Maybe – collectively as fans – we do deserve this team.

    Thiru’s point is overstated to say the least, but the fan base needs a lot more than a “talented team.” Winning teams have the talent and a whole hell of a lot more than that.

  26. Hammers says:

    nycoil:
    RMGS,

    Don’t read much into Brooks’ reporting. He is notorious forthis sort of thing. Take it with a grain of salt. I don’t doubt the Oilers and Rangers are kicking tires on some stuff. The silence on Rick Nash here in NY is deafening. The Rangers lack scoring with him out.

    Having a partial season pass to the Rangers, I can tell you: Del Zotto is a bit overrated, so is Kreider. Hagelin is underrated, Brassard is inconsistent, McDonagh is untouchable (you’d need to offer RNH to get Slats to bite on that one–and I am not saying you should–what was Gainey thinking?)

    Eakins and MacT have both been served some humble pie after their bold words in the summer and in the early part of this season. I do think they are both smart men, and will figure it out, but they have been taken down a rung or two from their early confidence. Eakins, in particular, had a lot of pomp and circumstance around his early press conferences, but now he is facing the reality of the winter of discontent. I just hope they realize the things that are fixable and should be fixed (PP, PK, goaltending depth, 6minute a night 4th line), and the things that need tweaking but shouldn’t be messed with on a large scale (the core kids + Nurse and Klefbom).

    Talk about hit the nail on the head . Good comments . Problem is I don’t really want to loose Hemsky but right now he would help the Rangers and we should get a good not great player back .I always feel sometimes a GM does deals as much to send a message as for the deal itself .

  27. hags9k says:

    bookje,

    Well, good on ya. They do have an opportunity for an amazing come back from the dead season. I’m not holding my breath but if they somehow won 3 straight right now, our collective eyebrows would be raised at least.

    So yer tellin me there’s a chance….

  28. Truth says:

    On the bright side Markstrom (if starting) is in the same save percentage ballpark as the Oilers goalies (.881) and the Panthers intend on playing Whitney.

    Now if the Oilers could just show up for a game they might have a chance.

  29. hags9k says:

    Brooks floats that crap about Yak out there in an attempt to lower his perceived value. It is all BS and an extension of Sather’s negotiating. That’s my read on it anyway…

  30. bookje says:

    art vandelay:
    @Doomoil,
    Don’t worry. The new arena will fix anything that’s bothering you. Just ask Howie Mandel. Or the other alderstooges who voted for it.

    I am glad that your portion of the population is shrinking – what was it, 17% for Diotte.

  31. hunter1909 says:

    hags9k:
    Brooks floats that crap about Yak out there in an attempt to lower his perceived value.It is all BS and an extension of Sather’s negotiating.That’s my read on it anyway…

    Sure thing. And Lowe/MacT are proven suckers.

    Looking cynically forward to the announcement of a Yakupov: for a top 4 defenceman, a prospect and a pick.

    Then most in here can sing the praises of MacT, and no worries about cap space for the rest of the season, too. That’s next year’s and future years problems, lol.

  32. bookje says:

    I want happy Yak back – The Internet seems intent on creating moody Yak – When did Don Cherry take over the internet?

  33. denny33 says:

    Truth,

    On the bright side Markstrom (if starting) is in the same save percentage ballpark as the Oilers goalies (.881) and the Panthers intend on playing Whitney.
    Now if the Oilers could just show up for a game they might have a chance.

    **********************************************************************************

    Tom Gilbert, Erik Gudbranson, Mike Weaver and Ryan Whitney….Florida has given up 49 goals in only 14 games..

    This has to the very tonic this team this needs right now…

    This titanic matchup could be one for the ages….

    ********************************************************************************

    Really feel that our only option is to be patient let Eakins work and wait until the summer.

    Makes me nervous when Kevin Lowe feels the need to travel with Mac T…

    Scout hard.

    Nick Ritchie – LW – Peterborough

    Nick is a powerful player and when he is skating and driving hard, he is extremely difficult to stop. He has a nose for the net and will take the puck to the net and can score with a very good shot or in tight around net. Very good along the boards and can quickly win a puck battle and create an scoring chance. With his skating and size, he opens up lots of opportunities for his line mates. ***Players like him, are not common***

  34. Andy P says:

    This from Jon Willis at EJ: http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/11/05/are-the-new-york-rangers-and-edmonton-oilers-talking-yakupov-trade/

    I think trading Yak for someone like Chris Kreidler might be a win for both organizations and for Yak City.

    Yak’s struggling here and we get a massive left wing that has struggled in the past. Sather gets his skill and we get someone who has broken through.

    Please tell me what is wrong with that? (Serious question, I’m learning here)

    Oh, and unless Hemmers is the “dark presence” that has been troubling this team – this poor fellow seems to have been an outsider here since the newbies arrived – I’d really rather keep him here if at all possible.

  35. Brackenburied says:

    Andy P: This from Jon Willis at EJ: http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/11/05/are-the-new-york-rangers-and-edmonton-oilers-talking-yakupov-trade/ I think trading Yak for someone like Chris Kreidler might be a win for both organizations and for Yak City. Yak’s struggling here and we get a massive left wing that has struggled in the past. Sather gets his skill and we get someone who has broken through. Please tell me what is wrong with that? (Serious question, I’m learning here)Oh, and unless Hemmers is the “dark presence” that has been troubling this team – this poor fellow seems to have been an outsider here since the newbies arrived – I’d really rather keep him here if at all possible.

    I don’t think it makes much sense to trade him because he has struggled in the first 15(?) games of the year under a new coach while the entire team is struggling as well. Trade him if some one offers the moon. We’ve seen he can be a pretty damn good player.

  36. Thiru says:

    Doomoil: Taylor Hall, who’s best quote in the off season was along the lines of ‘I know I’m not very good defensively and I need to work at becoming better in that part of the game.”

    What a little shit he is!

    Do you know how much crap the likes of Kessel and Kadri have received the last 2 seasons from the TO media and the coaches for not playing a 200 foot game? Kessel has been one of the most prolific goal scorers in the entire NHL for the past 3 seasons. He was benched a few years ago for not taking care of his end.

    Kadri was not seeing regular NHL ice because of his defensive shortcomings, was criticized (by Eakins) for not being fit enough, and was shuttled to and from the AHL until he “got it”.

    Those guys took a ton of heat (Kadri especially), but they walked through the fire and they are better players for it, and the Leafs are a better team for it.

    These aren’t isolated incidents — see Ovechkin, Alex. Also, read a little bit about the early Yzerman/Bowman years (hint: it wasn’t all roses).

    Now, think for a moment: has anyone demanded that same level of commitment from our young players? Have they taken it upon themselves to take care of the defensive end as well as they take care of the offensive end?

    If not, why not? And if the team has been this bad for this long, why haven’t they demanded it of each other?

    Taylor Hall is a great player. Not saying he isn’t. However, as evidenced by the WCs, the poor decision making in critical areas of the ice is really only tolerated in one place, and that is Edmonton. It isn’t just Lindy Ruff who can’t stand that shit — it’s every single coach in the NHL.

    He could’ve used that as a lesson for this year, but so far — and it’s not just him, it’s Gagner, it’s Eberle, etc. — we’ve seen more and more of the same.

    I don’t care how many highlight reel goals they score, I don’t care what their draft pedigree is, until they start taking care of the puck and playing with some pride in the defensive zone, they are nothing players and the Oilers will be a nothing team.

    Youth as an excuse has run its course. They can get with the program or they can be benched or they can be scratched or they can be traded.

    Fin.

    They’re being paid, and now it’s time to grow up.

  37. admiralmark says:

    So Yakupov can’t get you McDonaugh in a trade?! Really? I get he’s struggling. But he is a first overall pick that hasn’t played a full season yet. MCDonaugh isn’t exactly setting the world on fire either.

    And trading Yak for Krieder?! What the hell is going on here?! I woke up in crazyland today!!

  38. hunter1909 says:

    Thiru: Youth as an excuse has run its course. They can get with the program or they can be benched or they can be scratched or they can be traded.

    Kevin Lowe presides over the pariah destination of the NHL, despite having three 1st overall recent draft picks on the team.

    I assumed once the young players got going, Edmonton would instantly morph into a preferred destination. But, it hasn’t.

    Amazing management. And it’s all going to stay exactly the same, forever.

    Enjoy the party.

  39. slopitch says:

    LT, I wonder if the showcase is Hemsky. The Oilers are in a tough spot with him. Do they showcase Hemsky in an effort to sell high or bury him against the toughs to resign him at an affordable price?

    The Oilers have to improve their top-end D this season or its a waste. Counting on Nurse cannot be the game plan. He’s still a kid.

  40. Thiru says:

    admiralmark:
    So Yakupov can’t get you McDonaugh in a trade?! Really? I get he’s struggling. But he is a first overall pick that hasn’t played a full season yet. MCDonaugh isn’t exactly setting the world on fire either.

    And trading Yak for Krieder?! What the hell is going on here?! I woke up in crazyland today!!

    Trading Yak is dumb.

    He’s struggling, but he’s trying.

  41. Lowetide says:

    Andy P:
    This from Jon Willis at EJ: http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/11/05/are-the-new-york-rangers-and-edmonton-oilers-talking-yakupov-trade/

    I think trading Yak for someone like Chris Kreidler might be a win for both organizations and for Yak City.

    Yak’s struggling here and we get a massive left wing that has struggled in the past. Sather gets his skill and we get someone who has broken through.

    Please tell me what is wrong with that? (Serious question, I’m learning here)

    Oh, and unless Hemmers is the “dark presence” that has been troubling this team – this poor fellow seems to have been an outsider here since the newbies arrived – I’d really rather keep him here if at all possible.

    I don’t like the back story on this Manhattan situation. Bad place to be playing poker, you don’t have much luck currently and the dealer is a known bottom of the deck mob guy.

  42. commonfan14 says:

    Thiru: Now, think for a moment: has anyone demanded that same level of commitment from our young players? Have they taken it upon themselves to take care of the defensive end as well as they take care of the offensive end?

    And it’s fine I guess if this is what the season has been and is going to be about – suffering some pain for the greater long-term good.

    That’s not really what we saw from Eakins the other night, imo. He didn’t come off to me as a guy sure of his convictions and talking with confidence about how it’s a process and things will improve. I think he seems increasingly like a guy seaching for answers and not even sure he knows what the problems are anymore.

    That’s a very subjective take, of course, and I hope I’m wrong.

    I’m with bookje though in any case – win streak starts tonight.

  43. Brackenburied says:

    Lowetide: I don’t like the back story on this Manhattan situation. Bad place to be playing poker, you don’t have much luck currently and the dealer is a known bottom of the deck mob guy.

    I think the boys had this trip planned all along and scouting a trade is what they told their wives. But Sather will show them a real good time and once he has the necessary compromising pictures…Yak for DelZotto. He’s gonna school these guys!

  44. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide: I don’t like the back story on this Manhattan situation. Bad place to be playing poker, you don’t have much luck currently and the dealer is a known bottom of the deck mob guy.

    It’s worse than that. Lowe/MacT are constantly betting on four flushes, inside straights, and loudly announce to all and sundry how the jack of diamonds is their favorite card.

    They’re going to be murdered, and NY gets a bonafide superstar in Yakupov.

  45. russ99 says:

    Some of these Yak rumors/reports are flat out ludicrous.

    Look at the Seguin trade for reference. He had three years of NHL numbers before Boston decided he didn’t fit the plan and decided to sell for top dollar.

    That’s how you deal a top draft pick, not 15 games into his sophomore slump season at rock bottom trade value – which is really what all these “pesky Russian” reports are all about – to push his trade value even lower so someone gets a steal if we’re dumb enough to move him.

    Dealing Yak now is all kinds of dumb, which is why I suspect there’s no way MacT will do it.

    As for the team/Eakins, there’s not much more to say. Let’s see how they respond to the Detroit debacle tonight in a potentially winnable game.

  46. denny33 says:

    slopitch,

    LT, I wonder if the showcase is Hemsky. The Oilers are in a tough spot with him. Do they showcase Hemsky in an effort to sell high or bury him against the toughs to resign him at an affordable price?

    ****************************************************************************************

    Hemsky makes 5 million dollars.

    Throw in the fact he is minus 11 and I am not sure how he could be moved…

  47. Halfwise says:

    commonfan14: And it’s fine I guess if this is what the season has been and is going to be about – suffering some pain for the greater long-term good.That’s not really what we saw from Eakins the other night, imo. He didn’t come off to me as a guy sure of his convictions and talking with confidence about how it’s a process and things will improve. I think he seems increasingly like a guy seaching for answers and not even sure he knows what the problems are anymore.That’s a very subjective take, of course, and I hope I’m wrong.I’m with bookje though in any case – win streak starts tonight.

    The way the Oilers have played this season, been injured and been bad-bounced, would have Isaac Newton doubting the laws of physics.

    Here is my guess: Eakins and MacT know they have to get the team playing better defense. Neither one thought that doing this would involve the fecal flambe we have all witnessed.

    It’s gotta shake your confidence, no matter how strongly you used to believe you were right.

    Stay the course, fellas, because there’s more evidence that the old way couldn’t work than there is that the new way won’t work. Eventually.

  48. nycoil says:

    admiralmark,

    Yak will not get you McDonagh. If Slats has gone senile and he agrees to that straight up, you have to take it. And I love Yak and think he can be a 50 goal man someday. McDonagh is the Rangers’ most untouchable skater. As I said, you’d have to offer RNH, and I don’t think that’s a good idea. That’s robbing Peter to pay Paul. Yak might fetch you a signed Girardi (he is UFA) + Hagelin or something like that. As many have already said, including LT, dealing with Slats from a position of weakness is dangerous. If we start getting fed Del Zottos and Kreiders for Yak, we’re in trouble.

    Also keep in mind, if it is the Rangers, they need scoring to fill in for Nash, they are up against the cap (so Hemsky won’t work without salary being eaten or a large contract going back to the Oilers), and they only have two regular RHD (Girardi and Stralman), so if GIrardi is headed Edmonton’s way, a dman will likely be heading to Broadway as well.

  49. Woodguy says:

    Dpairs at pre-game skate are interesting:

    Ferrence-Petry
    Smid-Larsen
    N.Shultz-Fedun

    LT called it with the Oilers putting the LH and RH Dmen on their proper sides.

  50. CrazyCoach says:

    stevezie: I’m curious, is there a definition of “darkside guy” or is it more of a feel thing? I’m just surprised he said it was nothing personal, because it sounds personal. If Hatcher was the captain he must have started out as a positive energy guy, right? How did he break bad?

    Hi Stevzie,
    Sorry for the late response. I love being on here, but alas life beckons.
    It is very hard to define what a darkside guy is, and yes sometimes they can be a captain or assistant captain. All I know is that in my experience, they can be very influential and have a very subjective view of themselves. In my times, this view is often caused by a parent with rose-coloured glasses, an agent, or even a spouse. And yes, they do break bad at some point and that is the tough part to figure out. Maybe it was a benching, a play where you seen things (and the rest of the team for that matter) differently than they did (I think of one player who didn’t understand how a hit from behind constituted me benching him for the rest of a tourney). Once the break has been made, the darkside player will look out for themself and their group only and the team becomes a very polarized version of the world; you’re either with us or you are against us and we will do anything, including give you a suicide pass, to make our point.

    And, much like any person with what I would call a negative deviance, they will do their best to not be discovered, but eventually they will slip up and be dealt with severely (like getting cut with 2 games remaining in the provincials), or they will cost you your position.

    I’m rambling here a bit and I hope I’m making sense, but that is what I call a darkside guy.

  51. Hammers says:

    denny33:
    slopitch,

    LT, I wonder if the showcase is Hemsky. The Oilers are in a tough spot with him. Do they showcase Hemsky in an effort to sell high or bury him against the toughs to resign him at an affordable price?

    ****************************************************************************************

    Hemsky makes 5 million dollars.

    Throw in the fact he is minus 11 and I am not sure how he could be moved…

    If anyone looks at skill its Sather so his minus # may not be that important plus Allain has seen him play over the last 5 years so would know how to use him . It depends on what they offer and I don’t see McT getting totally taken .

  52. spoiler says:

    denny33: Makes me nervous when Kevin Lowe feels the need to travel with Mac T…

    That tells me they’re looking at defensemen.

  53. commonfan14 says:

    Ha – the Fake OIlers GM twitter feed just got an RT from Spector:

    Mark Spector ‏@SportsnetSpec 11m RT @FakeOilersGM: I have a confession. I signed Jason Labarbera during a drunken stupor.

    Big day for whichever one of you runs that thing.

  54. FastOil says:

    hunter1909:
    It’s going to be a whole heap of fun, runnin’ these little shits out of town.

    So glad we no longer need to worry about winning the cup anytime soon, anytime ever.

    Kevin Lowe = mean hearted Irishman = the very worst type of Irishman = influence that permeates right through the team, management, everything.

    Okay. It might be fun, playing troll instead of constructive fan.

    I knew it. I knew at the heart of it this was about pototoes, oomycetes and English people. I knew it.

  55. G Money says:

    russ99: Dealing Yak now is all kinds of dumb, which is why I suspect there’s no way MacT will do it.

    Trading Yak and getting a return suitable to a #1 overall pick and future 50 goal scorer – OK. I’ll be sad to see him go, but if it brings back what the team needs to find a more effective competitive long-term balance, it’s a good trade.

    If he gets traded based on his current non-existent value while in the middle of a horrific sophomore slump (one that half the team, sophomore or not, is in right now) surrounded by stories parroting the usual xenophobic “enigmatic Russian” garbage, I will personally go back to every one of my posts on the entire interwebs and change “MacT is smart” to “MacT is a giant fuckin’ idjit”. Better yet, I’ll just burn the entire mofo internet to the ground!

    FastOil: I knew it. I knew at the heart of it this was about pototoes, oomycetes and English people. I knew it.

    Fiddle dee dee!

  56. eidy says:

    Looking forward to a much better effort tonight and on this roadtrip. The sentiment in the room is that the every bounce is going to go against them and they need a few games to get some confidence back. The first goal is critical tonight. If they get behind again, especially if its an unlucky bounce or bad goal, and it could be trouble. It seems that the oilers can’t get that big goal when needed. I think a huge swing in momentum is when arcobello had a chance to put the oilers up 2 in Toronto and a flailing arm from the TO goalie kept it out. 2 goal cushion likely seals the win. There have been other chances like that where they are just not getting the big goal or save.

    I also think that if they turn it around as their better players get healthy Dallas Eakins has a chance to look quite good. If they go 6 and 3 over the next 9 games (beginning and ending with Florida) the sentiment on the team will change. I remember someone on sportsnet saying that it may take 30 games to learn the “new system.” That seems crazy and if that is the case use a different system, because at 30 games the season is over, but if there is improvement in the win loss column, they may get some wind in their sails. Smyth back tonight helps left wing and gets Yak back to the right. If Hall and Joensuu are back by the weekend that is a huge boost.

    Nuge-Hall- Eberle
    Gagner-Smyth-Yak
    Gordon-Joensuu-Hemsky
    arcobello-Acton-Jones
    extra gazdic, eager to minors
    when perron gets back put him where Smyth is and move smyth to 4 LW

    Really looking forward to Fedun’s debut tonight. 5-2 oilers

  57. Romulus Apotheosis says:
  58. stevezie says:

    The consensus seems to be McDonaugh or bust if we’re trading with the Rangers, has Dan Girardi dropped off that much? It wasn’t that long ago he was a dark horse Norris candidate (he finished 6th in voting in 11-12). Now he can’t even get invited to Canada’s Olympic orientation camp?

    Girardi is attainably beautiful. Though I don’t enjoy the vision of what we’d have to pay him to sign here.

    CrazyCoach,

    Thanks! This stuff fascinates me.

  59. Logan91 says:

    Thiru: Hall is a great player, but I think the reason Ference is captain has more to do with Hall’s attitude than anything that Ference brings, per se.

    Things like that brutal, brain dead giveaway are but one example.

    Why wouldn’t they want him or Eberle or Gagner wearing the C? I think we’re starting to see why.

    They’re not entirely shitty people, but they’re not a Landeskog or Tavares or Toews, that’s for damn sure.

    These are guys who have gotten accustomed to zero criticism, easy ice-time, no repercussions for selfish play, and are now getting paid.

    I can’t wait until Eakins calls those little shits out in the media.

    I don’t disagree that Hall, Gagner, and Eberle shouldn’t be captain, but Landeskog also falls into the category of a player who shouldn’t be captain. In no way does he lead that team, if anyone should be the captain of Colorado its Duchene.

  60. pboy says:

    CrazyCoach,

    Shayne Corson

  61. RexLibris says:

    Re: Yak trade to NYR.

    Didn’t Katz intervene to draft Yakupov? That is the story that circulates.

    And how many trades have the Oilers had with the Rangers since Sather went East? Not many.

    So MacTavish and Lowe go East to visit and scout the Rangers and Brooks writes something about Yakupov for a bag of groceries being a legit deal and suddenly we’re all losing our collective minds?

    I can’t see an owner who made the call on drafting Yakupov suddenly okay-ing a deal that would send his personally selected shiny (and affordable) new toy out of town for less than his perceived value.

    Sather is a cheshire-grinning predator in trades, but it isn’t as though Lowe and MacTavish are naive to that idea. My god, they were in many of the practices that Sather ran and both were traded away by him. If anyone knows what he is like to deal with it is these two.

    I think this is probably tire-kicking and making good use of time. Being seen scouting the Rangers also lets the Flyers and other Eastern teams know that you are exploring options.

  62. OilClog says:

    23-4 Florida in a barn burner.

    Yakupov gets all four goals then traded to NYR for Kreider and the Oilers wonder why no one ever cheers for them again.

  63. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Standard post-modern logic in dealing with this question – I get into drunken stupors during which I smoked crack, but I am not an alcoholic and I don’t use drugs.

    Put into symbolic logic that reads thus –

    1. If A and B then C.

    2. A

    3. B

    4. yet somehow not C because I prefer to frame reality according to the results I wish to believe rather than the evidence that would suggest anything to the contrary.

  64. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    RexLibris,

    I agree. Nothing wrong with making the road trip and getting a temperature check out there. I do think smoke is building around Yak trade rumors so I can believe he is in the conversation with other teams. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst as they say……

    What is a big tell is why is Lowe there? Messier as well as that isn’t very clear. But Lowe? MacT is GM and should be quite capable of hosting any meeting with other GM’s to discuss possible scenarios and scouting players. These can be reported back to HQ when there is anything of substance to convey. Personally, it would annoy me if I were in MacT’s position to have Lowe in the preliminary conversations. It’s an interesting dynamic for sure in Edmonton. .

  65. RexLibris says:

    Florida sits 21st overall on Fenwick close CF%. They have a shooting % of 6.7 and a save % of .888.

    The Oilers, by contrast, have a shooting % of 8.4 and a save % of .875 which is still bogged down by brutal early-season numbers.

    By all mathematical accounts this game could be a 5-4 final score.

    So why do I get the feeling we’ll see some sort of neutral-zone trap epic that ends in a 2-1 shootout and the winning team tops out at 24 shots on net?

  66. LMHF#1 says:

    Could this team play the trap? Even if just to get through a few games and maybe get some respectable results?

    I hate the system as it is inferior to a well-executed pressure system and completely vulnerable to any team with the skill to skate through the neutral zone, but the Oilers don’t seem to be executing much of anything well at the moment.

  67. RexLibris says:

    Well Oiled and Enthusiastic,

    His son is in Charlotte for the next few days until the 14th or 15th of November..

    It could also be that simple.

  68. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    RexLibris:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Standard post-modern logic in dealing with this question – I get into drunken stupors during which I smoked crack, but I am not an alcoholic and I don’t use drugs.

    Put into symbolic logic that reads thus –

    1. If A and B then C.

    2. A

    3. B

    4. yet somehow not C because I prefer to frame reality according to the results I wish to believe rather than the evidence that would suggest anything to the contrary.

    If you want to go full POMO, you need to question what is and what isn’t a “drug” anyway

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6rOdkOYKJgEJ:www.clas.ufl.edu/users/burt/deconstructionandnewmediatheory/DerridaTheRhetoricofDrugs.doc+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&client=safari

  69. RexLibris says:

    LMHF#1,

    I’ll phrase that another way, these rosters could steal and turnover the puck in such quick succession in the neutral zone that the end effect would be an entire period played between the blue lines and essentially creating a neutral zone stand-off.

    Of course, I may just be getting cynical.

  70. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    “I did not have oral relations with that crack pipe…”

  71. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    RexLibris,

    I could understand that, but it obscures the voice at the table for the GM in my opinion. Its just an interesting dynamic for MacT that adds a wrinkle of complexity for him and fuels the ‘Lowe mettling’ accusations we regularly read.

  72. Gerta Rauss says:

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=435898

    Jason Arnott announces his retirement from the NHL.

    I approach this game with some trepidation…I hope for the best…

  73. bookje says:

    Don Cherry 3 years ago at Rob Ford Inauguration – “Rob Ford’s gonna be the greatest mayor this city has ever seen, and put that in your pipes, you left wing kooks”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHzCoUZG2Js

    Au Contraire Mr. Cherry, perhaps it was not our pipes you should have been looking at!

  74. Bag of Pucks says:

    Woodguy posted a great link yesterday about the Bruins’ decision to trade Tyler Seguin and reading that article has really helped me to arrive at some conclusions about the root issue that is plaguing the Oilers.

    http://m.weei.com/sports/boston/hockey/bruins/dj-bean/2013/11/04/closer-look-why-tyler-seguin-no-longer-bruin

    LT said earlier in the week, “There is something rotten in the decision making–and this goes back forever–that allows this organization to throw away useful things (Chimera, Brodziak, Hartikainen, Dubnyk next summer) like they’re yesterday’s papers. They make a decision and that’s it–there’s a sense of certainty that is ill-advised, a sense of expertise that sadly does not exist.”

    While I agree with LT’s thought here, in contrasting the past decisions of Oiler management to that of the Bruins’ in trading first Phil Kessel and then Tyler Seguin, it seems to me that the greatest failing of Oiler management is not their hubris, but in fact, the opposite emotion – fear – that ultimately leads to paralysis by this management group.

    From Ales Hemsky to Sheldon Souray to Devyn Dubnyk to Sam Gagner to possibly Nail Yakupov, the Oilers are deathly afraid of parting with flawed players that don’t project favourably as core components of a championship team.

    As yesterday’s article illustrates, Boston has a clear vision for the attributes a player must possess (compete level, physicality, team orientation, work ethic) and without hesitation will part ways with a player who doesn’t fit that mould to fill the roster spot with a better fit – despite the fact the player in question may possess substantial skill and potential upside.

    The Oilers by contrast will waffle on a player FOR YEARS in the hopes that they can coach the flaws out of a player, ultimately revealing the diamond in the rough. Some regard this as patient development, some stubbornness, some wishful thinking. In point of fact, it is all of these things, but more importantly IMO, there are two core factors that contribute to this behaviour that are ultimately scuttling the promise of this rebuild:

    1) The aforementioned hubris. Time and again the Oilers have exhibited this mistaken belief that they can rectify inherent weaknesses in a player’s game. Too often however, they are unable to, and when the management team finally arrives at this realization long after the rest of the league has figured it out, they’re forced to dump the asset for cents on the dollar.

    2) Oiler management is plagued by an almost irrational fear that they can’t acquire players on the free agent market and this belief influences almost every single personnel decision they make as a management group. Because of this fear that they can’t buy on the open market, Oiler management treat player contracts like crack addicts treat their rocks, never parting with their precious assets unless they’re absolutely convinced they’re getting equal or better value in return (hello David Perron). From not exposing marginal players to waiver claims, to struggling to walk away from failed free agents (who cost nothing but dollars to acquire and don’t have to command an asset in return) to failing to pull the trigger on the fabled 3-for-1 (when the team has a surfeit of skill but a shortage of size and two way acumen), the Oilers make every player decision through the lens of ‘what they can’t replace’ vs ‘what they’re getting rid of.’

    By contrast, a team like Philadelphia (secure in its allure on the FA market) cuts bait with underperformers on a regular basis, turning over their roster substantially each season. Not always a better approach, but one that by contrast, reveals the true inertia that has been the Oilers’ ‘brain trust.’

    In short, Oiler management are the veritable ‘Hoarders’ of the NHL. They fill their shelves with the shiny toys that fall into their laps and rather than seeking out those missing toys that will complete the collection and maximize its value, they pray like hell they can trade one shiny toy for two more when another collector has a moment of weakness.

    The reality is players like Gagner, Hemsky and Dubnyk are the flawed players that championship caliber teams cast off on a regular basis without a second thought. The return can be draft picks, prospects, role players that fit your carefully considered championship team mould, or simply, cap room to go buy better less flawed players.

    The mistake being made time and again is holding onto flawed players too long, rewarding them with fat contracts without commensurate production, and driving their market value into the dirt.

    MacT, no one is going to trade you Kings for Tens. Get over it. Trade them for Tens that address other needs in your lineup asap and then look to the dealer to improve your hand again in the offseason. Every day spent with these duds in the lineup is another day away from being a Cup contender.

  75. slopitch says:

    denny33,

    Hemsky makes 5 million. So his value goes up as the year goes along? Showcase him if the plan is to move him.

  76. G Money says:

    RexLibris: So why do I get the feeling we’ll see some sort of neutral-zone trap epic that ends in a 2-1 shootout and the winning team tops out at 24 shots on net?

    Because Oilers.

  77. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    bookje:
    Don Cherry 3 years ago at Rob Ford Inauguration – “Rob Ford’s gonna be the greatest mayor this city has ever seen, and put that in your pipes, you left wing kooks”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHzCoUZG2Js

    Au Contraire Mr. Cherry, perhaps it was not our pipes you should have been looking at!

    Priceless!!

    I give Cherry big props for using “pinkos” though. Probably my favorite insult.

  78. fifthcartel says:

    Ben Raby ‏@BenRaby31
    #Oilers GM Craig MacTavish & Oilers President Kevin Lowe both on pressbox seating chart for #Caps-#Isles. Oilers face #FLAPanthers tonight

  79. denny33 says:

    It would seem clear the Rangers are definitely shopping Michael Del Zotto …..

    latest rumour has him reuniting with Torts in Vancouver….

  80. Zelepukin says:

    I love all the armchair GM’s on here who believe they know best as to who should be captain. The only truthfulness behind such assumptions is that you’ve probably never played hockey at a competitive level.

    Not one person here has any clue what the dynamic is like in the dressing room. Not a single person. The only information you have is results on the ice and off-ice interviews. There are a lot of players in the NHL who can put up the numbers, play consistent, sacrifice themselves on the ice. As well, almost all players have been given media training and can hold their own in an interview. Those two factors equate for probably 60% of what’s needed in a captain. The rest we as fans have no gauge on. The voice in the room, the professionalism, the personality, the dedication, all the leader qualities that no one here has a right to say, well no way Landeskog should be captain, Duchene should cause he has more points. That’s an incredibly stupid thing to say.

  81. Logan91 says:

    Zelepukin:
    I love all the armchair GM’s on here who believe they know best as to who should be captain. The only truthfulness behind such assumptions is that you’ve probably never played hockey at a competitive level.

    Not one person here has any clue what the dynamic is like in the dressing room. Not a single person.The only information you have is results on the ice and off-ice interviews. There are a lot of players in the NHL who can put up the numbers, play consistent, sacrifice themselves on the ice. As well, almost all players have been given media training and can hold their own in an interview. Those two factors equate for probably 60% of what’s needed in a captain. The rest we as fans have no gauge on. The voice in the room, the professionalism, the personality, the dedication, all the leader qualities that no one here has a right to say, well no way Landeskog should be captain, Duchene should cause he has more points. That’s an incredibly stupid thing to say.

    It’s not that Duchene has more points, it’s that he gives it 110 percent every game and never gives up. He doesn’t need to say anything in the dressing room because he leads by example on the ice. As for out of hockey, he always helps out in the community. Look at what he did in the summer during his charity event when he bought that little girl a Chara jersey that she wanted but couldn’t afford, then didn’t want anyone knowing he did that because he didn’t want any recognition for it.

    It’s little things like that, that make a good captain. Being unselfish, great team play, the whole package, Landeskog is good but he’s to young (he was named captain after one year in the league). That’s why Ference is captain because everyone else is to immature.

    Where did you play hockey at a professional level? We should be able to look up your stats, no?

  82. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    fifthcartel:
    Ben Raby ‏@BenRaby31
    #Oilers GM Craig MacTavish & Oilers President Kevin Lowe both on pressbox seating chart for #Caps-#Isles. Oilers face #FLAPanthers tonight

    I’m not sure what to read into these sightings of late… but is anyone else curious about how we never seem to hear: “Morey Gare sighted taking in x game”?

    you think it is simply because Gare/Semenko aren’t high profile enough to name-drop? Or, are they simply not getting out there and scouting?

  83. Andy P says:

    Zelepukin:
    I love all the armchair GM’s on here who believe they know best as to who should be captain. The only truthfulness behind such assumptions is that you’ve probably never played hockey at a competitive level.

    Not one person here has any clue what the dynamic is like in the dressing room. Not a single person.The only information you have is results on the ice and off-ice interviews. There are a lot of players in the NHL who can put up the numbers, play consistent, sacrifice themselves on the ice. As well, almost all players have been given media training and can hold their own in an interview. Those two factors equate for probably 60% of what’s needed in a captain. The rest we as fans have no gauge on. The voice in the room, the professionalism, the personality, the dedication, all the leader qualities that no one here has a right to say, well no way Landeskog should be captain, Duchene should cause he has more points. That’s an incredibly stupid thing to say.

    That includes you, right?

    just askin’

  84. Zelepukin says:

    Andy P: That includes you, right?

    just askin’

    of course. Myself or anyone on here is not in a position to say who should be captain

    Logan91: t’s not that Duchene has more points, it’s that he gives it 110 percent every game and never gives up. He doesn’t need to say anything in the dressing room because he leads by example on the ice.

    Wow this is stupid. He doesn’t need to say anything in the dressing room because he leads by example on the ice? Do you even know what a leader is? If you can’t step up in the room as well as on the ice, then you have no right to be captain. Motivating your teammates is a big requirement of any captain.

  85. stevezie says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    I would assume that pro scouts spend all of their time “out there and scouting”, and it is only news when 10 teams suddenly have scouts at the same game.

    It is their job, isn’t it? What else could they be doing?

  86. G Money says:

    stevezie: I would assume that pro scouts spend all of their time “out there and scouting”, and it is only news when 10 teams suddenly have scouts at the same game.

    It is their job, isn’t it? What else could they be doing?

    Hey, given the quality of our pro scouting the last few years, personally I’d be delighted – and surprised – if our guys were actually watching other teams play!

  87. dangilitis says:

    FYI (1st from LA Kings website regarding their current franchise record sell out streak of 76 (including playoffs, 2nd from Matheson)

    “According to information available on ESPN.com, four teams have sold out every home game since the 2004-05 lockout: the Montreal Canadiens, Toronto Maple Leafs, Calgary Flames and Vancouver Canucks. Amongst American markets, Pittsburgh and Philadelphia have the longest sellout streaks.”

    If you look on the website, the 2013-14 season is credited as 99.6% attendance for Edmonton. However, when asked about this, Matheson responded with:

    “A: Not true. While ESPN.com listed it as 16,389 which is 450 under a full-house, they perhaps transposed the numbers (full-house is 16,839). NHL.com lists the attendances and it was a sellout, which gives the Oilers more than 300 in a row at Rexall Place. If they don’t start winning at home soon, that streak might be jeopardy.”

    And that streak was listed at 292 on March 28, 2012
    http://www.thesportmarket.biz/charts/sellout%20streaks/ranktop.html

    32 more home game sell outs since, putting the current streak at 324.

  88. prairieschooner says:

    One of the absolute toughest guys to trade with is Glen Sather.
    He is a grinder of the first order.

  89. hunter1909 says:

    prairieschooner:
    One of the absolute toughest guys to trade with is Glen Sather.
    He is a grinderof the first order.

    MacT/Lowe might as well fax Yakupov’s details in advance.

  90. Logan91 says:

    Zelepukin,

    So you didn’t say where you played hockey?

  91. art vandelay says:

    I wonder whether Slats looks at a player’s Corgis before making a trade.

  92. icecastles says:

    art vandelay:
    I wonder whether Slats looks at a player’s Corgis before making a trade.

    What if said player doesnt have a dog?

  93. Lloyd B. says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Gare is the bird dog. Once he finds a guy that might fit what he has been asked to look for the scouts get out of the way and the big dogs come in to do the final evaluation. Either the negotiations for a trade start or the big guys say nope.

    Perhaps there is something less sinister at play. What if the big dogs were in town to reunite with their long time friend Sather, get first class treatment at a game to ensure what they want for their new arena to entertain visiting the hockey elite is right in the design? All at the expense of the first and second class fans. Oh wait …. we are the Oilers…not the Senators.

  94. icecastles says:

    Jesus I post infrequently… thinking I might have to make a new avatar, looking at my Ultramagnus Paajarvi. :(

  95. Hockeyman 99 says:

    Jason Arnott retires today

  96. David says:

    Doomoil: This is nonsense.

    ‘I’m a contrarian therefore I am forced to make up dumb bullshit to fit my insane point of view.’

    Unless you’re actually Kerry Diotte. That would answer a lot of questions.

    This is the best comment I have ever read.

  97. spoiler says:

    There’s not enough anger in the Lowetidian salon today. Even the trolls and the bandwagon trolls got nothing but mere flippancy.

    Maybe this will spice things up a little:

    TONIGHT IS GUARANTEED WIN NIGHT FOR THE EDMONTON OILERS!!!

    That’s right. ALL CAPS and three (3!) exclamation marks. Bet the farm, the cottage and the 1965 Ford Mustang.

    Fuck you, Hex Gords. Guaranteed Win Night.

    I now return you to your regularly scheduled Maple Leaf Injury List coverage, aka the Oilers-Panthers pre-game show.

  98. D says:

    I can’t wait for this game to start. The anticipation feels like Game 7.

  99. Lowetide says:

    icecastles:
    Jesus I post infrequently… thinking I might have to make a new avatar, looking at my Ultramagnus Paajarvi. :(

    You should definitely post more. The avatar is cool.

  100. Woodguy says:

    art vandelay:
    I wonder whether Slats looks at a player’s Corgis before making a trade.

    Probably not.

    Didn’t win shit with the highest payroll (or close to DET/COL) in hockey for about 8 years.

    Now that he has a budget he’s better.

  101. Woodguy says:

    icecastles:
    Jesus I post infrequently… thinking I might have to make a new avatar, looking at my Ultramagnus Paajarvi.

    Didn’t you have the hand-eye guy from the Bowie/Henson movie?

  102. spoiler says:

    Can anyone backfill a cliché with simplistic narrative better than Nick Kypreos? The man’s a genius.

  103. spoiler says:

    Those lines look so much better with Smyth injected next to Gags and Yak back on the right. And Jones slid down to the third for Hemsky.

  104. Andy P says:

    Looking at the lines, I would have thought that the 1st line may not have a chance. Baby Nuge with a dipsey doodler on both sides, and no net crasher in sight. No Hall, Perron, Joensuu, o that’s right they’re all hurt.

    Seems to be that Yaks line is set up to be the scoring line.

    Nor do I like Arco on the wing. Oh well I’m safe, going out tonite, checking out TSN then this blog, looking for effort, then either play or delete.

  105. icecastles says:

    Woodguy: the hand-eye guy from the Bowie/Henson movie

    Labyrinth? Nope, not me. But I adore that movie.

    Finally free of architecture school and ensconced in a very cushy office so I just might be able to start posting with some regularity again.

    Though generally, Im kept to flippant joviality anyway, mostly due to my utter lack of deep hockey knowledge (coaching a team to one win shy of a national championship sounds like a hell of a credential until you realize it was Rollerblade hockey… in New Zealand).

    I like to think of myself Bookje without the whimsy or Steve Smith without the wit.

    (in other news, are any of you out here in rocky Mountain House? Relocated here a month and a half ago and not enjoying the lack of love the Oil Drop gets…)

  106. Bob Arctor says:

    Any feeds?

  107. Lowetide says:

    Some nice story lines tonight. DD back, Smyth too, Fedun debuts and will the drought end? And when it does will there be a flood?

  108. D says:

    They’re really packing in that stadium.

  109. jp says:

    OMG! Approximately equal goaltending. Dubnyk .878. Markstrom .881. Level playing field? Battle for #1 at least.

  110. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Wow. Move the Florida Panthers anywhere. maybe 3000 fans there?

  111. D says:

    SK Oiler Fan:
    Wow. Move the Florida Panthers anywhere. maybe 3000 fans there?

    That many?

  112. hunter1909 says:

    With all of the advancements in NHL training, equipment and diet:

    Can we say tonight’s game is at the same level as, say, the 1987 Canada Cup Final?

  113. D says:

    I wonder if any of the Oilers look into the stands at games like these and appreciate getting to play in front of a full house for every single home game.

  114. spoiler says:

    hunter1909:
    With all of the advancements in NHL training, equipment and diet:

    Can we say tonight’s game is at the same level as, say, the 1987 Canada Cup Final?

    No.

  115. Andy P says:

    Look, with our top 3 LW’s out a win would be remarkable under any circumstance.

  116. DBO says:

    not sure how, but I went to nhl.com, and just clicked watch now on the game up top and the feed is live. I am not a subscriber, so maybe it’s just for a few minutes. not sure. but try nhl.com for a feed

  117. DBO says:

    lol. and now it’s gone. sneaky nhl.com

  118. Lowetide says:

    They seem tentative but are hitting all of their marks. Someone score, shoot it off Smyth’s ass if you have to!

  119. Old School G says:

    HUNTER 1909,
    Your question is right there with some of the more randomly funny insights I have read the last bit! Well played sir.

  120. D says:

    DBO,

    Yeah – they give a few minutes preview. The subscription is actually a pretty good deal – been a subscriber for four or five years now.

  121. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Besides the Eager hit this is a rec game.
    I still maintain the Oilers were built for the former SE division.

  122. OilClog says:

    Nick Schultz is done.

  123. hunter1909 says:

    SK Oiler Fan: I still maintain the Oilers were built for the former SE division.

    Oilers could really use 30-40 games vs the Panthers – it’s just not fair their having to play those big bad hockey teams that grind them down.

    PS: Eakin’s hair looks more relaxed tonight.

  124. spoiler says:

    Halfway through the First, shots directed are 7-3 FLA. Shots are 3-2, both of ours came from behind the goal line (Arco and Yak).

    And Florida scores.

  125. hunter1909 says:

    Oh dear.

    lol

  126. spoiler says:

    That was like the anti-swarm. Hey, here’s all the time and space in the world! Have at ‘er!

  127. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Right before that goal the FLA broadcaster referred a “SAME Gagner”…

    interesting.

  128. SK Oiler Fan says:

    That better have been tipped. How many goals over the DD glove this year?

  129. DBO says:

    not having a feed or tv may be a blessing right now. It’s painful enough reading the recaps, not sure if I can handle this shit show live.

  130. bendelson says:

    icecastles,

    I like to think of myself Bookje without the whimsy or Steve Smith without the wit.

    Good stuff.

    I like to think of myself as Bendelson but my therapist cautions against it…

    Ping! 1-0.

  131. hunter1909 says:

    Excellent hockey.

  132. jp says:

    Should Gagner be playing hockey?

    Maybe he should just do up his chin strap properly. You know, considering the broken jaw.

  133. bones says:

    DBO:
    not having a feed or tv may be a blessing right now. It’s painful enough reading the recaps, not sure if I can handle this shit show live.

    Enjoy: http://thefirstrow.biz/hockey/florida-panthers-edmonton-oilers-frsaaf89

  134. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    The FLA broadcast team just telestrated SAME Gagner’s ass on that goal.

  135. TartanArmy says:

    Oh man, If he’s here for the year, Arcobello will end up with 0 goals and 30 assists. Put that in man!

  136. spoiler says:

    Where’s the battle in this thread, fellow commenters? It’s more listless in here than an Oiler-Wings tilt.

    Hunter, where’s your grit?

    “Oh dear?”

    That’s the best you’ve got?

    We used to have some fire to our game.

  137. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    TartanArmy:
    Oh man, If he’s here for the year, Arcobello willend up with 0 goals and 30 assists. Put that in man!

    I was thinking the same thing. He will never score again… even in some road hockey game against 5 year olds… he won’t bury it.

  138. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Larsen!!!

    Nuge!!!

  139. spoiler says:

    Nice.

  140. jp says:

    Nice goal. The Panthers D is as bad as the Oilers.

  141. "Steve Smith" says:

    spoiler:
    Where’s the battle in this thread, fellow commenters?It’s more listless in here than an Oiler-Wings tilt.

    Hunter, where’s your grit?

    “Oh dear?”

    That’s the best you’ve got?

    We used to have some fire to our game.

    We’ve got Steve Smith without the wit,
    Hunter1909 without the grit,
    Bookje without the whimsy,
    And fucking Bendelson.

  142. jp says:

    THAT was a hell of a pass!

  143. Thiru says:

    Larssen was skating like a real thoroughbred there.

    Fun to watch!

  144. spoiler says:

    Too bad Nick Schultz can’t stickhandle in a phone booth. Then, if he could, he wouldn’t be playing D.

  145. DBO says:

    a goal? say whaaaaaaaaaa ?>?”:?:?

  146. DBO says:

    Grand Larsen-y

    Oh Gene on twitter. the place made for your puns

  147. Dominoiler says:

    Man, the oilers are pathetic.. am watching the florida feed and even the play by play guys talk about how timid the oilers are, they just get hit w no response.. that goal, once again a (stationary) swarm of ineffective pylons and dubbie deep in the crease.. how does that new old saying go?!..

    cus it still works brilliantly,..

  148. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Looks like Olympic sized ice with these two teams. There’s so much more time and space out there with these two teams defending.

  149. Hockeyman 99 says:

    I think grouping Sam and Jordan together isn’t fair to Jordan. Sam needs to move on and Probably should go to TO. Gagner, N. Schultz and LaBarbra for Reimer, Franson, and Gardner?

  150. "Steve Smith" says:

    SK Oiler Fan:
    Looks like Olympic sized ice with these two teams. There’s so much more time and space out there with these two teams defending.

    It’s like the 1987 Canada Cup final.

  151. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    SK Oiler Fan:
    Looks like Olympic sized ice with these two teams. There’s so much more time and space out there with these two teams defending.

    The 4×4 helped

  152. Hockeyman 99 says:

    Dominoiler:
    Man, the oilers are pathetic.. am watching the florida feed and even the play by play guys talk about how timid the oilers are, they just get hit w no response.. that goal, once again a (stationary) swarm of ineffective pylons and dubbie deep in the crease.. how does that new old saying go?!..

    cus it still works brilliantly,..

    Dubie was at the top of his crease

  153. Lowetide says:

    8-6 on the shot clock, Oilers site has Larsen from Hemsky and Gordon. Could have sworn that pass was from 93, because, he was wearing 93.

  154. Dominoiler says:

    crap, get all negative.. have the feed cut out and.. bamm, a reason to cheer..

  155. Thiru says:

    Man Petry looks great out there.

    Couple of nice defensive plays and a fantastic pass into the slot for Arcobello.

    If only we had 2 more like him…

  156. D says:

    Even the Florida commentator said that assist was from Hemsky. Ryan Nugent Hemsky then?

  157. Lowetide says:

    They’ve fixed the goal now. Larsen jumped up very nicely there. Oilers had extended periods (especially early) where they looked tentative, you’d love to see them score a lucky one here early in the second period and see if something ignites.

  158. OilClog says:

    If the Oilers were to play Florida 40 times a year, Florida would be a very successful franchise.

  159. "Steve Smith" says:

    1-30-31, then.

  160. TartanArmy says:

    OMG! I just eat my words……

  161. Hockeyman 99 says:

    beauty

  162. spoiler says:

    King Kong leaps off Arco’s back.

  163. Thor762 says:

    ARCOBELLO!!!

  164. jp says:

    That was a snipe after all those failed chances!!!

    Congrats to Arco!!

  165. DBO says:

    and Larsen ties Horcoff for goals on the year. just saying.

  166. Rebilled says:

    Lowetide,

    Lucky Arco!

  167. bones says:

    ArcoHellooooo!

  168. rich says:

    Good for Acrobello.

  169. Thor762 says:

    FEDUN!!!

  170. spoiler says:

    That was freaking artistic.

  171. TartanArmy says:

    ????????? What the hell is going on?

  172. "Steve Smith" says:

    And…1-0-1, I guess?

  173. Rebilled says:

    FEDUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! F YEAH!!!!!!!!!!

  174. Hockeyman 99 says:

    Florida just what the doctor ordered :)

  175. DBO says:

    damn feed does not work (at Tim Horton’s for WIFI. don;t have it hooked up in new home yet)

    Atta boy ARco!

  176. bones says:

    Night of firsts!

  177. Lucinius says:

    That one starts with the shot block from Hemsky, who looked like he was in more than some discomfort afterwards.

    Nice work by the Oilers there.

  178. jp says:

    Wow!! Good for Fedun too!

    Anyone else need their 1st? Dubnyk?

  179. rich says:

    Fedun scores?

    Ok. Who else is going to score tonite? Dubynk?

  180. Dominoiler says:

    wowzers!..

  181. rich says:

    @ JP – great minds think alike.

  182. Ribs says:

    Whitney almost had Arcobello there…..Not so much. Poor bastard.

    First Oiler goals for everyone! Hoorah!

  183. flyfish1168 says:

    Gazdic or Eager should line up next Winchester and challenge him

  184. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    gotta be the fastest back to back 1st NHL goals, right?

  185. Jon K says:

    Just got home to see the Arcobello then Fedun goals. Yay! I love the Oilers again! I’m absolutely certain that they will never, ever disappoint me again!

  186. Lucinius says:

    The Florida Panthers; the team that makes the Oilers look good.

  187. DBO says:

    Fedun. wtf?>>?? awesome.

  188. "Steve Smith" says:

    I just had a look to see who else in the lineup has never scored as an Oiler. My conclusion is that we’ll score five, with the next goals by Dubnyk and LaBarbera.

  189. Lowetide says:

    A nice period so far, LOVE that Arcobello and Fedun get their first. That shot of Arcobello on the bench was fun, what a tremendous rise for him in just a few years.

    Now, let’s not do anything crazy, like that suicide Hemsky sequence, and ride this home boys!

  190. TartanArmy says:

    Whew. That’s what we need from Doobie.

  191. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    gotta be the fastest back to back 1st NHL goals, right?

    Great question. Don’t know the answer, but will look!

  192. Jon K says:

    Looking at the Florida roster, they must have the least amount of NHL experience down the middle in the league. An 18 year old rookie, 21 year old Bjugstad, and 25 year old Matthias. Ugly.

  193. Hockeyman 99 says:

    When I see Larsen make a pass to his partners side and Nultz is already retreated to his blue line, it makes me wonder about the logic of a stay at home dman playing with an offensive dman. Is playing with Smid killing Petrys offence?

  194. Southern Oil says:

    Nuge has been great tonight by my eyes. Nice save there from Dubnyk. Some strange things happening tonight.

  195. "Steve Smith" says:

    The best part is that if the Oilers hang on for the win, Dead Cat can’t come along and point out (accurately) that the win is meaningless against such a terrible team, because Dale Tallon. It’s a good night; I’m drafting an affidavit, and then I’m drafting another.

  196. jp says:

    Jon K:
    Just got home to see the Arcobello then Fedun goals. Yay! I love the Oilers again! I’m absolutely certain that they will never, ever disappoint me again!

    Just a 7 game win streak from a playoff spot :)
    This is nice for a change though.

  197. Lucinius says:

    Man, even Nuge whiffs on the Hemsky gifts.

  198. spoiler says:

    Jesus, how did Eberle miss that? And then Nuge too.

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