OILERS AT PREDATORS G26, 13-14

Among the phenoms and the high picks and the guys who we like, how many of them can be called ‘two-way’ forwards? How many are on their way to being useful with or without the puck? How do we measure such things? Is it better to have a possession player—someone who can help keep the puck miles from the river—or is it better to have someone who has calm feet when the snipers are firing from the rooftops and communication is down?

When it comes to evaluating players defensively, you have to treat possession as the ultimate. You can’t punish Gretzky for not back checking if he’s busy dominating 100 miles from his net, and when it comes to modern day hockey CorsiON gives us a complete view of what is happening on the ice at the time said player is out there. It takes all of the minutes, adds the shots for and against, and gives the reader an idea about what is happening when the player is on the ice. It does NOT show bias, because it’s not measuring any event and parsing in search of culprits—it’s a wide brush but also refuses to lay blame in a random or biased fashion.

Let’s use Taylor Hall as an example: I’ve always liked Hall’s game, he pushes the river and has generally been playing against tough opposition while getting a good result.

VOLLMAN SLEDGEHAMME: HALL THE YOUNGER

hall rookie

This is Hall’s rookie Vollman. He’s playing tough competition right out of the box and he had a -2.1 CorsiON. The coach gave him a zone start break but really when you look at this graph it’s clear from the start the world knew what Taylor Hall was—and it was very good.

VOLLMAN SLEDGEHAMMER-HALL THE ELDER

HALL NOWThis is Hall today—tough competition, -9.71 CorsiON and they’re getting him the zone starts to this day. Hall’s played center a little this season and he’s also been injured, but to my eye (and to many others who own better trained eyes) Hall is off the pace. There’s no way it’s on one guy, but Hall is a leader and part of the young cluster who are going to deliver this franchise to a better day someday.

What’s wrong?

I don’t think he’s lazy, and I don’t think he’s trying to get the coach fired. Defense isn’t some impossible concept, it’s positioning, it’s winning battles, it’s thinking the game as opposed to using creativity to wheel offensively.

I wonder.

Bruce McCurdy applied his usual rational thought to the issue and came up with this:

  • It’s too soon to panic. Hall’s 2013-14 season is all of 18 games old at this point, and he’s had to deal with injury, uncertainty as to position, coaching and systems changes, etc. But if the Oilers are going to turn their season around on any sort of a sustainable basis, as the overused cliché goes, “their best players have to be their best players”. And any list of Edmonton Oilers’ best players is surely headed by Taylor Hall.

That’s it in a nutshell. Look at that rookie Sledgehammer. Lordy.

Hall isn’t 40, he isn’t lazy, he’s able to understand concepts like marking his man. He’s not a coach killer, so what’s left? Well, there are a couple of things. Frustration can lead to losing focus, anger at the situation can too, and there’s always that concern in the back of one’s mind that all of this losing breaks the player(s) and curtails career success.

This is a big deal, and reason one I believe this team has to turn north this season, even if it means trading that first round pick for an Ehrhoff defenseman.

change

 The Oilers often make deals on road trips. This goes back forever, one day I’ll track down the first one, but I bet it was a goalie and a November road trip in maybe 1974 or so. They’ve done this forever.

LITElliotte Friedman is quickly becoming both news breaker and historian. The item he passed along this week in ’30 Thoughts’ is a very interesting read for Oiler fans.

  • I’ve always wondered how close Edmonton came to getting Ben Bishop, currently standing tall in Tampa Bay’s goal. The Lightning got him from the Senators for Cory Conacher and a fourth-round pick. From what I understand, the Oilers offered a second-rounder, a third-rounder and Ryan Jones. The issue? That second-rounder was Anaheim’s, which turned out to be 56th overall and Ottawa wanted Edmonton’s original spot, which was 37th. It sounds like the deal fell apart when the Albertans wouldn’t do it.

We had most of the deal, but the part we were missing—it was Jones and TWO picks, including the early 2nd—makes the deal far more difficult for Edmonton than our original thoughts. However, it’s still a deal you make IF you feel Devan Dubnyk needed a strong #2 goalie. Craig MacTavish certainly does, and so there must have been a portion of the management group who felt the way. If this is the case, then it’s reasonable to suggest this lack of transaction may have contributed to the change at manager.

The difference in value between the two picks, 37 to 56, is significant. Would you have made the deal? Hindsight suggests it should have been done.

It brings up the concept of losing the battle to win the war, and I think that’s what MacT is probably working through right now. In the interests of  all, in the name of getting that damn Sonny & Cher song off the radio when the alarm hits and Bill Murray awakens tomorrow morning to the same day all over again, pull the trigger. The last thing this team needs right now is another bonus baby.

THE RUSSIAN

dr stra

 

The Ilya Bryzgalov era begins tonight, and his arrival marks the end of the period where Devan Dubnyk can be considered the #1 goaltender into the future. DD can regain that crown, but MacT expressed hesitancy about Dubnyk as #1 in the summer and my guess is that even if Dubnyk returns it’ll be with a strong partner.

For his part, Bryzgalov has nothing to lose. If he plays well, Edmonton will come calling with wads of cash or they trade him for good value at the deadline. If he plays poorly, he’ll be playing with his kids and enjoying his morning coffee at a more leisurely pace.

Another Russian—Denis Grebeshkov—has been recalled for duty, I doubt he plays tonight but he might get some time during the trip. The Oilers sure have a lot of NHL depth defensemen, that’s way better than calling Sebastian Bisaillon from junior.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

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At 10 this morning on TSN 1260, we hit the airwaves talking hockey and football on the Lowdown. Scheduled to appear:

  • David Staples from the Cult of Hockey. David believes the problem is being able to defend. We’ll discuss the reasons behind the disconnect between coach and players.
  • Jonathan Garcia, On the Forecheck. We’ll talk Nashville Predators and their season, plus chat about Seth Jones and Shea Weber.
  • Neal Coolong, Behind the Steel Curtain. NFL football dominates North American sport today, we talk about the Steelers recovery and their game against the Ravens tonight.
  • Guy Flaming, Pipeline Show. Guy’s knowledge of junior and college hockey is exceptional, and we’ll ask about the Subway series, the 2014 entry draft and the value of the 2nd overall pick in the upcoming draft.

10-1260 via text and @Lowetide_ on twitter. See you on the radio at 10!

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  1. RexLibris says:

    One other point: look at the scoresheet tonight. Hall, Hopkins, Eberle with goals (albeit Eberle’s was an EN). Seems self-evident but it is a good sign that those three were the difference-makers. We’re going to need them to single-handedly win games every now and then. This was one of those nights.

  2. Pablo Aimar says:

    I wonder wonder how hard they tried to sign Bryzgalov in the summer. Too bad Labarbera was the alternative when Dubnyk imploded to start the year.

  3. Dominoiler says:

    Thanks for the reply, LT..

    Even tho I am inclined to make my argument again, I think it would be little more than semantics.. Hall will hopefully continue to build on the strong work he produced since being a rookie and deliver on the potential (you spoke of) of being one of the NHLs premier players.. Having top line vets that could have eased the way for the kids would have been nice, but this is the edmonton oilers and these kids are just gonna have to do it this way or not at all..

    And yes, Im a big fan of Nuge.. made much easier on a night when the talent came through, the team looked stronger (competent 4th line, what the deuce?!) and Bryz looked steady (confident, aggressively challenged shooters).. tonight, it’s easier to believe in better days to come..

  4. fishman says:

    Numenius,

    Yea liked the compete level tonight. Key will be repeating it tomorrow night. Guessing the jackets will be anxious for some payback after last game in Edm

  5. Lowetide says:

    Nuge-Hall-Eberle saw Weber more than anyone tonight, another good arrow. Weber’s injury was part of the game story we shouldn’t forget.

  6. Woodguy says:

    godot10: The Oilers are next to last in the NHL and last in the Western Conference.My universe is clearly closer to the reality of the actual universe than most of the rest of you guys, who get giddy with one good period in Calgary, and beating up on a wildly inconsistent Columbus team, and the Oilers’ mirror image in Florida.

    I said the Oilers were going to be awful out of the gate, one of the few.

    The season is basically over, but January will tell the tale about whether Eakins and the Oilers are making any progress whatever, and whether there is any hope at all for Eakins as an NHL coach.

    By the Olympic break, we will know.

    You are a bitter person who is seeing their narrative get crushed by reality.

    The Oilers are 64.3% Fenclose in the last 5 games and are finally playing like they can and playing Eakins system like they are supposed to.

    Keeping spewing your fact-less nonsense.

    We need another DeeEssEff around here to keep us from getting too giddy.

    But fuck it, after the seeing the fenclose of the last 5 games, I’m as giddy as hell.

  7. Pouzar says:

    Come on guys. Of course Bryz plays the next game. People said we couldn’t pull DD after a 14 save non-event S.O. against the Blue Jackets. Bryz was great tonight.

  8. Woodguy says:

    Oiler’s CF% close tonight:

    Mark Arcobello 100.00%
    Ryan Jones 100.00%
    Andrew Ference 100.00%
    Taylor Hall 77.80%
    Jordan Eberle 77.80%
    Anton Belov 66.70%
    Jeff Petry 100.00%
    Jesse Joensuu 50.00%
    Nick Schultz 66.70%
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 58.30%
    Justin Schultz 58.30%
    Denis Grebeshkov 58.30%
    Nail Yakupov 80.00%
    Ales Hemsky 80.00%
    Sam Gagner 80.00%
    Boyd Gordon 50.00%
    David Perron 50.00%
    Ryan Smyth 33.30%

    Lordy, I want to weep with joy.

  9. jp says:

    Derek:
    GRIT

    http://i.imgur.com/a6Mce72.jpg

    Nice photo! LT, do you have a picture picked out for tomorrow yet? Or maybe next time the Preds are up. That one is a keeper though.

  10. finn_fann says:

    Woodguy,

    We… have a 4th line that can play hockey? You might need to hand me a tissue Woodguy, I’m getting a bit weepy myself

  11. rich says:

    Just got back from the game and am looking thru the game comments. A couple of quick thoughts.

    - Air time from NAS to Columbus about 50 minutes – but they lose an hour (Central to Eastern Time). Still, short hop, they should be fresh and I hope Bryz gets the start. He looked solid in net for the most part (early on – his puck-handling was a little challenging), but he was just solid. Saw the puck all night long.

    - Did not realize how big Belov is. Pairing of 77-37 was very, very calm all night – and that’s against a team that gets in and forechecks hard. Give me more Russians.

    - Thought the 3rd and 4th lines were very good at going hard to the net, getting traffic in front and making NAS night more difficult. The 4th line (6-26-28) played very well all night long. Arcobello was solid in his zone coverage, moved the puck consistently in the right direction. Play that guy more.

    - 4-93-14 were buzzing all night long. Eakins tried to give them as many offensive zone FO’s as possible, followed by 83-89-64.

    - 15/21 seem to struggle to move the puck out of their own end.

    - 27 takes every important defensive zone face-off. Gets really low, takes a beating and just wins battles.

    This team might finally be turning a corner. Let it be so.

  12. Woodguy says:

    finn_fann:
    Woodguy,

    We… have a 4th line that can play hockey? You might need to hand me a tissue Woodguy, I’m getting a bit weepy myself

    3 lines that can score and a 4th that wins the puck possession battle.

    Good Lord that’s a playoff team!!

    Time machine please!!

    Anyone??

  13. Derek says:

    Woodguy:
    Oiler’s CF% close tonight:

    Mark Arcobello100.00%
    Ryan Jones100.00%
    Andrew Ference100.00%
    Taylor Hall77.80%
    Jordan Eberle77.80%
    Anton Belov66.70%
    Jeff Petry100.00%
    Jesse Joensuu50.00%
    Nick Schultz66.70%
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins58.30%
    Justin Schultz58.30%
    Denis Grebeshkov58.30%
    Nail Yakupov80.00%
    Ales Hemsky80.00%
    Sam Gagner80.00%
    Boyd Gordon50.00%
    David Perron50.00%
    Ryan Smyth33.30%

    Lordy, I want to weep with joy.

    It’s nice to see strong possession numbers for the good guys on the road, but its also important to keep in mind that NSH was on the second game of a back to back.

  14. jp says:

    Completely off topic, but I just noticed Penner is having himself quite a season in Anaheim. 20-8-10-18 and tied for the league lead at +16. All this for $2M. It was never going to happen, but he’d look real nice somewhere in the Oilers top 9.

    Edit: Good God his (regular season) totals with LAK were awful though: 117-11-26-37

  15. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy: You are a bitter person who is seeing their narrative get crushed by reality.

    The Oilers are 64.3% Fenclose in the last 5 games and are finally playing like they can and playing Eakins system like they are supposed to.

    Keeping spewing your fact-less nonsense.

    We need another DeeEssEff around here to keep us from getting too giddy.

    But fuck it, after the seeing the fenclose of the last 5 games, I’m as giddy as hell.

    this is why I come here. Try getting this at HFtinFoil!!

  16. RexLibris says:

    Khaira and Chase together. I may cry this evening from joy!

  17. Derek says:

    Greg Chase scores another goal in Lethbridge, assist to JJ.

  18. Lowetide says:

    Khaira a very nice pass to Chase, for his second of the night. 4-2 freedom.

  19. fifthcartel says:

    Greg Chase just seems to keep trending up

  20. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide,

    I always feel a little sorry for the Russians by the time they get to the WHL. They’ve crossed the continent, played six games in roughly 10 nights, in hostile rinks, and get a fresh team every other night.

    If the roles were reversed we’d be crying foul every year.

  21. Derek says:

    LT: Any chance Greg Chase makes the World Jr squad?

  22. VanOil says:

    jp,

    Penner went through injuries and a divorce during his Kings run. His return to form is not that unexpected. Friendly giants are almost as hated as skilled midgets by Coaches and Fans skill and stats be damned.

  23. VanOil says:

    Khaira’s positioning seems to be good from what I have seen. He can also take a pass and make a pass. Winning draws against this Russian team does not seem to difficult but he is doing it. I am a little concerned about his skating speed, hard to judge with Giants but he looks slow. Both or either him and Chase making the Jump to pro with both there venom and there scoring would be great.

  24. spoiler says:

    Lowetide: Nuge-Hall-Eberle saw Weber more than anyone tonight, another good arrow. Weber’s injury was part of the game story we shouldn’t forget.

    This is an excellent point.

    jp: Derek:
    GRIT

    http://i.imgur.com/a6Mce72.jpg

    Nice photo! LT, do you have a picture picked out for tomorrow yet? Or maybe next time the Preds are up. That one is a keeper though.

    Agreed. That is a great photo.

    RexLibris: Khaira and Chase together. I may cry this evening from joy!

    That is sweet.

    From TH2N…

    Bryzgalov’s record in starts with teams:

    4-0-0
    0.75 GAA
    .973 SV%

  25. elpolodiablo says:

    Woodguy: You are a bitter person who is seeing their narrative get crushed by reality.

    The Oilers are 64.3% Fenclose in the last 5 games and are finally playing like they can and playing Eakins system like they are supposed to.

    Keeping spewing your fact-less nonsense.

    We need another DeeEssEff around here to keep us from getting too giddy.

    But fuck it, after the seeing the fenclose of the last 5 games, I’m as giddy as hell.

    They have not beat a team that would be in the playoffs all year. The guy who is spewing factless nonsense is right your just spewing numbers and implying some great meaning from it.

  26. RexLibris says:

    Let’s just please have Oilers property and Oil Kings players get through the remainder of this game without injury…

  27. Kitchener says:

    I just finished the Oil game – NHL Game Center with a delayed start…

    Thoughts:

    1) Why I like the 89-64-57 line: Gagner is pass-first; Perron is shoot-first; Yak is 50-50. In the OHL, Yak was a 50-50 guy, unlike what NHL commentators say (“… he’s a shooter!”) This line combo lets Yak pass & shoot when appropriate while playing with guys who can also do both.

    2) Bryz: I’m jumping to conclusions.

    3) Why I like Arco on the 4th line: smart things just keep happening. His wingers look good, he looks good, the line plays well. Holy smoke, let the man play again next game.

    4) This is the closest I’ve seen an Oil team look like a playoff team in years. Shift after shift of responsible play.

    5) Eberle with an empty net goal after two posts and yet another excellent game. Anyone feel like moaning about his contract tonight?

    6) This is a gut-feel comment: DD feels more right as a #1a/b (“one of the guys; a teammate”) than a 65-game #1 (a more sequestered/distinct position). This isn’t based on DD’s goaltending ability, but personality. 65 game #1′s are a weird bunch and I suspect they’re just born, not trained. DD’s sequence on the bench when Hemsky’s skate blade was getting repaired showed DD as a cheerful relaxed team-guy checking out Hemsky’s weird skate situation; he just LOOKED like a pack-dog (as opposed to a lone wolf.) I like DD and like the game he’s been bringing lately and over the past few seasons. I’m just theorizing that by character he’s more of a 35-50 game guy than a 55+ game guy.

    7) Bryz sure looks/behaves like a 65+ game #1a. The question is, after 10 games, what’s his goaltending ability in 2013?

    8) It sure is nice having a goaltender who can handle the puck without causing ulcers. Is there an advanced stat for “chances against avoided by simple goalie puck movement”?

    All in all, this was a fun game to watch. For a few minutes, I thought it was 2006. And shit was I glad we could roll Gordon’s line when minutes needed to be terminated.

  28. Pablo Aimar says:

    Woodguy:

    But fuck it, after the seeing the fenclose of the last 5 games, I’m as giddy as hell.

    Awesome stuff man. This team has been the biggest joke in pro sports, have to find a bright spot somewhere!

  29. jp says:

    elpolodiablo: They have not beat a team that would be in the playoffs all year. The guy who is spewing factless nonsense is right your just spewing numbers and implying some great meaning from it.

    All that’s being spewed is that the Oilers have been playing better lately, not that they are a “good” team. If you don’t agree with that then continue on.

  30. Nuckout says:

    First game all year I haven’t been able to watch, and it had to be this one..

    Eakins in his post game was pretty non committal about who was going to start next game, I suspect he wants to give Dubnyk the chance to match Bryz’s level of play tomorrow.

    Bryz is just so confident with his positioning, he squares up to the shooter way faster than Dubs. He seems to know where to be. I have a feeling he’s getting the chance to flourish in a positive locker room compared to the days in Philly. Like Eakins said, he’s fitting in right away in the room, so of course his compete level is automatically higher.

    Lets hope he buys in instead of just using this year to get offers from other teams.

  31. spoiler says:

    That was a nice play by Khaira.

    He’s been dominant along the boards in every game I have seen him. He’s such a big, strong body and has the aggressive nature to match. If he makes it to the bigs, I suspect it will be as a winger.

    Chase sure has a nose for where to go.

  32. Lowetide says:

    elpolodiablo: They have not beat a team that would be in the playoffs all year. The guy who is spewing factless nonsense is right your just spewing numbers and implying some great meaning from it.

    The beat NJ, right? I think they did, anyway.

  33. dangilitis says:

    Pablo Aimar: Awesome stuff man. This team has been the biggest joke in pro sports, have to find a bright spot somewhere!

    This is my favorite. When people come here and accuse LT and WG and others who are extremely critical of some of the team’s management decisions as wearing rose colored glasses. When all they can see is through shit-smeared lenses.

    If you want to think you are more of a fan than these folk because they revel in any success they can find on a team they have been passionate about for years, then go over to Copper n Blue where you can mope in self-despair, nitpick 7-0 wins, criticize medical decisions without a shred of evidence, and believe that you are only a true Oilers fan if you continue to have no faith in the team’s future. But please lock your pills away in the medicine cabinet first, its a dark and twisted path.

  34. Woodguy says:

    elpolodiablo: They have not beat a team that would be in the playoffs all year. The guy who is spewing factless nonsense is right your just spewing numbers and implying some great meaning from it.

    No.

    You are obviously drunk and should let someone else drive.

    NAS came in winning 4 of 5.

    They beat FLA right after they beat VAN two nights before.

    CLB hadn’t lost a game in regulation in 5 games when the Oilers tattooed them 7-0.

    You can tell yourself that the Oilers suck, but you are being proven wrong as I type.

    Keep smiling.

  35. jp says:

    VanOil:
    jp,

    Penner went through injuries and a divorce during his Kings run. His return to form is not that unexpected. Friendly giants are almost as hated as skilled midgets by Coaches and Fans skill and stats be damned.

    For sure, but his drop in scoring was stark even considering the circumstances. In his previous 5 seasons (including the partial season when he was traded to the Kings) he never scored less than his 37 total Pts with the Kings (in 117 GP!). He just fell off the map. I’m not a particularly huge Penner fan, but he’s an effective player. It’s nice to see him get his career back on track – too bad it’s with his other former team, not the Oilers.

    I wonder if he would have considered coming back to Edmonton if approached. Even before seeing the early season results he was an obviously better bet to bring some real upside then Jones or Grebeshkov for a similar price tag. I guess there’s no point crying over spilled milk though.

  36. Lowetide says:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rosepe01.shtml

    Pete Rose batting averages by season. Right in the middle of .333′s there’s a .284. Just appears out of the blue.

  37. jp says:

    spoiler:
    That was a nice play by Khaira.

    He’s been dominant along the boards in every game I have seen him.He’s such a big, strong body and has the aggressive nature to match.If he makes it to the bigs, I suspect it will be as a winger.

    So it looks like the Oilers just need a Laraque to go with Khaira and Yakimov. Moroz maybe? That would be one heavy 4th line if they ever make it. Of course those big board guys usually need a Dowd or Devereaux to compensate for their slow feet. Still nice to see some power type players trending well in the organization.

  38. bookje says:

    dangilitis,

    So, I am not the only one who dropped out of Copper and Blue because every so often I thought it was ok to say something positive about an Oiler player or team decision.

  39. stevezie says:

    bookje,

    No you’re not.

  40. bookje says:

    Woodguy: No.

    NAS came in winning 4 of 5.

    Hey! Tone it down a little with the fancy stats, some of us failed geometry!

  41. Caramel Obvious says:

    Two clear observations before reading the thread.

    First, in many ways that was the best game of the year. In terms of positioning, puck support, breakouts, I’m not sure I’ve ever seen them better.

    Second, Arcobello is a really good player. He transformed the fourth line and it looked like Eakins noticed as they got much more ice time than has been typical. Here’s hoping this is the birth of the mythical four scoring lines.

    Now to read the thread.

  42. bookje says:

    For those painting Woodguy as some kind of management/coaching apologist, I suggest you go back a couple of weeks and look at his previous posts where he was pretty scathing about some of the decisions made by Eakins and was knocking MacT a bit as well.

    To go back in time a few weeks you can either use a time machine or click on old links. If its the time machine, put big money down on the Oilers winning three in a row.

  43. Caramel Obvious says:

    bookje:
    dangilitis,

    So, I am not the only one who dropped out of Copper and Blue because every so often I thought it was ok to say something positive about an Oiler player or team decision.

    Me too.

  44. nycoil says:

    Woodguy:
    Oiler’s CF% close tonight:

    Mark Arcobello100.00%
    Ryan Jones100.00%
    Andrew Ference100.00%
    Taylor Hall77.80%
    Jordan Eberle77.80%
    Anton Belov66.70%
    Jeff Petry100.00%
    Jesse Joensuu50.00%
    Nick Schultz66.70%
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins58.30%
    Justin Schultz58.30%
    Denis Grebeshkov58.30%
    Nail Yakupov80.00%
    Ales Hemsky80.00%
    Sam Gagner80.00%
    Boyd Gordon50.00%
    David Perron50.00%
    Ryan Smyth33.30%

    Lordy, I want to weep with joy.

    I missed the game tonight due to spending time with a friend’s family who was kind enough to have me over for American Thanksgiving. The above looks great. I know the Preds aren’t a juggernaut but Trotz teams always play hard, so those are all fantastic arrows above. We’re starting to compete, which is great to see.

    I feel like I’m somewhat in between the rose-coloured and “shit-smeared” glasses. In the pre-season I said I didn’t think this team would make the playoffs due to too many holes (I know I am not alone in having thought that), but I didn’t think we would be as bad, nor did we deserve to be as bad as our record was in the first 20 games. We did have a few stinkers in there, and it was frustrating for sure to not see more progress. But I think I said around the 12 or 13 game mark that once we as fans could accept that the playoffs this year may not be possible, but so long as we can build a solid team, with effort every day, moulding something for next year so that we are division title contenders for years to come, it should still be considered a success. We’ve suffered a long time as fans, I think the occasional whining is understandable, but we’ve got to remind ourselves sometimes that it’s just a game, and these are young men just learning this man’s game at the pro level and these things do take time. So I apologize if I’ve been an occasional Debbie Downer in some ways, though I do try to maintain a balanced view at least as much as possible.

    Would it be too much to ask for the team to reach real .500 (W vs L &OTL) by the end of the third “Hunter/LT 20 game stanza,” and press above that to finish the year by the end of the final one?

    Hope everyone who watched enjoyed the game.

  45. Juicy Judy says:

    Lowetide: The beat NJ, right? I think they did, anyway.

    New Jersey only has 23 points.

    They would be 13th if they played in the western conference.

  46. Lowetide says:

    Juicy Judy: New Jersey only has 23 points.

    They would be 13th if they played in the western conference.

    NJD will make the playoffs.

  47. jp says:

    Lowetide:
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rosepe01.shtml

    Pete Rose batting averages by season. Right in the middle of .333′s there’s a .284. Just appears out of the blue.

    Is that for me? Absolutely, I know this stuff just happens sometimes, and to lots of different players. In Penner’s case opportunity and quality of team were presumably also factors in addition to the injuries and personal problems. I wasn’t trying to make any point really, I was honestly just surprised when I looked a Penner’s numbers exactly how bad they actually were, and restricted basically completely to his time with the Kings.

  48. Caramel Obvious says:

    By Parkatti’s expected goals (i.e. shot distance and shot type metric) the Oilers were 57.5% over the whole game.

    Best players were (in order each over 70%)

    Perron
    Belov
    N Schultz
    Grebeshkov
    Yakupov
    Gagner (ok, he was 69%)

    Worst was the Petry/Ference combo.

    Nashville’s average shot distance (Fenwick event) was 42 ft compared to Edmonton’s 30.

  49. Lowetide says:

    Except for an extra tick upwards for 83 (and that could just be me), and Belov number, McCurdy nailed it imo.

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/11/28/oilers-player-grades-ilya-bryzgalov-earns-a-shutout-in-his-first-start-for-edmonton/

  50. jp says:

    Kitchener:
    I won’t jump to conclusions and judge Bryz on one game…
    I won’t jump to conclusions and judge Bryz on one game…
    I won’t jump to conclusions and judge Bryz on one game…

    Hehe. How’s everyone feeling about this right now?

  51. Juicy Judy says:

    Lowetide,

    They are eight points out of the playoffs,

    Elliot Friedman says teams that are out of the playoffs at American Thanksgiving almost never makes the playoffs.

  52. Caramel Obvious says:

    Juicy Judy,

    Toronto isn’t going to make the playoffs. That puts the Devils two points behind the Hurricanes. The Hurricanes are 26th in Fenclose and the Devils are 13th. The Devils won’t be betting favourites to make the playoffs but they should be.

  53. jp says:

    Caramel Obvious:
    By Parkatti’s expected goals (i.e. shot distance and shot type metric) the Oilers were 57.5% over the whole game.

    Best players were (in order each over 70%)

    Perron
    Belov
    N Schultz
    Grebeshkov
    Yakupov
    Gagner (ok, he was 69%)

    Worst was the Petry/Ference combo.

    Nashville’s average shot distance (Fenwick event) was 42 ft compared to Edmonton’s 30.

    That shot distance difference is really impressive. And Belov keeps killing it. Nice things.

  54. Juicy Judy says:

    Caramel Obvious:
    Juicy Judy,

    Toronto isn’t going to make the playoffs.That puts the Devils two points behind the Hurricanes.The Hurricanes are 26th in Fenclose and the Devils are 13th.The Devils won’t be betting favourites to make the playoffs but they should be.

    Toronto is only 4 points out of first place and they play Buffalo tomorrow,

  55. dangilitis says:

    Lowetide:
    Except for an extra tick upwards for 83 (and that could just be me), and Belov number, McCurdy nailed it imo.

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/11/28/oilers-player-grades-ilya-bryzgalov-earns-a-shutout-in-his-first-start-for-edmonton/

    It’s true. What the hell is going on this year with Nick Schultz, by the way? I’ll admit, I was ready to trade him many times over the summer, but he has been pretty steady thus year in 3rd line role.

  56. spoiler says:

    jp: So it looks like the Oilers just need a Laraque to go with Khaira and Yakimov. Moroz maybe? That would be one heavy 4th line if they ever make it. Of course those big board guys usually need a Dowd or Devereaux to compensate for their slow feet. Still nice to see some power type players trending well in the organization.

    I like Moroz. He skates very well for his size and those guys seem to get a million chances to break in. Depends if he has the hands to make something out of those chances and if he can play two way hockey. If he can, he could stick for quite a few seasons. Maybe Hordichuk like, Maybe more. I think he should stay in Junior another year, if the option is there and see if he can develop a little more offensively before facing adults along with less ice time.

  57. art vandelay says:

    83 – 110%
    4 – $6.99
    14 – 49c/lb
    93 – two bits a gander
    57 – $19.99 plus P&H
    2 – Do Not Pay Until 2017

    I am stoked.

  58. spoiler says:

    Bryzgalov’s comments on the win:

    “So far, so good.”

    That made me chuckle.

  59. Lois Lowe says:

    Juicy Judy,

    I was wondering when the next DSF/DCB iteration would be back.

  60. Woodguy says:

    art vandelay:
    83 – 110%
    4 – $6.99
    14 – 49c/lb
    93 – two bits a gander
    57 – $19.99 plus P&H
    2 – Do Not Pay Until 2017

    I am stoked.

    But how much are the corgi’s?

  61. gcw_rocks says:

    Lowetide,

    New Jersey does not appear to be a playoff team at the moment. 11th in their conference and 5th in their division. They may turn it around later but to this point in the season they are not a playoff team and that’s how they should be judged as quality of competition.

  62. gcw_rocks says:

    Woodguy,

    Columbus is 4-3-3 in their last ten and seventh in their division. That’s a better indication of their talent level don’t you think?

  63. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rosepe01.shtml

    Pete Rose batting averages by season. Right in the middle of .333′s there’s a .284. Just appears out of the blue.

    Want to be frightfully dazzled?

    Look at this killer:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cobbty01.shtml

    Unreal. With the exception of his first season (only 41 games) at .240… it’s nothing but unwavering domination.

    Gord doles out powers to some interesting cats.

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