HURRICANES AT OILERS, G32 13-14

The salary cap is moving up to $71M next season, giving the Edmonton Oilers miles of room to sign their free agents and improve the team significantly. I wonder what the 23-man roster might look like next fall?

TWENTY-THREE MAN ROSTER FOR 2014-15 (PROJECTED)

  1. Devan Dubnyk ($3M)*
  2. Ben Scrivens ($3M)*
  3. Christian Ehrhoff ($4.0M)
  4. Justin Schultz ($4M)*
  5. Jeff Petry ($3.5M)*
  6. Andrew Ference ($3.5M)
  7. Mike Weaver ($2M)*
  8. Anton Belov ($2M)*
  9. Taylor Fedun ($700,000)*
  10. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ($6M)
  11. Boyd Gordon ($3M)
  12. Matt Stajan ($3M)*
  13. Mark Arcobello ($1.2M)*
  14. Anton Lander ($800,000)*
  15. Taylor Hall ($6M)
  16. David Perron ($3.8M)
  17. Roman Horak ($800,000)*
  18. Jesse Joensuu ($950,000)
  19. Luke Gazdic ($635,000)
  20. Jordan Eberle ($6M)
  21. Nail Yakupov ($2.85M)
  22. Ales Hemsky ($5M)*
  23. Tyler Pitlick ($800,000)*

*-estimate

That puts the total at $67,545,000 for the group. I’m just making stuff up here, but dealt Gagner and a pick/prospects for Christian Ehrhoff and spent the free agent money on Scrivens, Weaver and Matt Stajan, plus added the Oiler free agents I’d like to return to the team (including Dubnyk, because I like him). I’ve kept Hemsky as well, so kill me it’s my list. You’re welcome to come up with your own, I tried to add Phaneuf but it’s going to cost too damn much so I sent the kids away and added Ehrhoff and Weaver while keeping some other veterans.

The defense is improved, the goaltending should be very good, there’s a center added (plus it gives Arcobello a chance) and I love these wingers (Horak can also play center). The cap could be very good for the Oilers if used wisely.

HALL’S HEARING IT

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  • Taylor Hall: “I made the point that you can make anybody look bad on video. You can make a guy who had five points look like the worst player in the world with a couple of clips. It’s obviously tough when it’s a big stage like that and someone points that out, but I honestly feel I’ve been playing well defensively. I’m really not too mad about it. I think I’m trending upwards. I’ve definitely improved in my own end since the start of the year.”

This is a reaction to the Cassie Campbell video presentation on HNIC Saturday night postgame (Hall’s Dad told him). I have zero problem with the quote, and he’s definitely better than earlier (center, injury) but he’s not back to last season’s levels. I expect that Hall—being human—bristled at the criticism privately and will use this moment as a reason to shove it up the collective’s ass. Kid’s got swagger and has been touched by God, I will NEVER bet against him. I think the NHL community, better known as Mensa International, have already thrown him out for Olympic consideration. He’d be on my team, warts and all. He can push the river, we know this; it’ll come, my guess is last week is the beginning of a great run.

 PM BOUCHARD

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PM Bouchard is on waivers this morning, I imagine he’s at the airport waiting for his flight to Winnipeg. I’d take a chance on him, it might mean Jones would be in roster trouble but for me Joensuu is the guy to send out. Matty doesn’t want him because vitals but I don’t give a rat’s ass about size; bring him in, see if he can play with skill and let’s go! The guy killed us about every 10 minutes when he was in Minny.

 SHOTS ON GOAL

We don’t spend much time on this stat, but it’s an important one and some of these Oilers are having good seasons sog.

  1. David Perron 98 (on pace for 283)
  2. Taylor Hall 89 (on pace for 278)
  3. Jordan Eberle 82 (on pace for 217)
  4. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 61 (on pace for 168)
  5. Ales Hemsky 58 (on pace for 153)

Taylor Hall led the team in their last full season (207, in 2011-12) and the last time any Oiler hit more than 283 was Wayne Gretzky (288) in 1986-87. Hall’s number is also outstanding and increasing lately, with Eberle showing well too. I put Nuge’s number there because we might see a bump if he starts hitting the net more (his scope still isn’t quite there) and Hemsky’s number will be his best since 2008-09 if it continues.

 LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

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The last time I recall talking Oilers-Hurricanes I got my heart broken. Let’s hope things turn out better tonight. This morning at 10 we preview the game on TSN 1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Michael Parkatti, Boys on the Bus. Game preview, expected goals, mistakes that cost valuable possession seconds.
  • Guy Flaming, The Pipeline Show. World Junior’s, struggling 2013 picks and 2014 risers.
  • Jungle Jim Hunter, some impressive Canadians winning during the lead up to Sochi.
  • Alan Hull, Copper and Blue. Jekyll/Hyde Oilers, Hall for the Olympics.
  • Kirk Luedeke, Red Line Report. Iginla back to Calgary, 2014 picks from New England worth attention.
  • Bob Wage, Canes Country. Looks like there’s a new #1 goalie in Carolina, and I’ll ask about Riley Nash and Radek Dvorak.

10-1260 via text, @Lowetide_ on twitter. Hope you can tune in!

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  1. Lowetide says:

    Really like Arcobello again tonight.

  2. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Kitchener: 51 – here’s an opportunity to show your stuff.

    He’s not getting enough icetime or quality of linemates to show much

    http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20132014/TH020468.HTM

  3. spoiler says:

    RexLibris: Kitchener, I agree. Laraque would be very useful right now.

    Not to mention Sittler or Frank Mahovlich.

  4. RexLibris says:

    4-on-4! Yay!

  5. Derek says:

    Meanwhile, Marco Bello creates a chance out of nothing with hard work in the corners.

  6. spoiler says:

    Not sure why Gagner skated Hall out of a lane there.

  7. RexLibris says:

    Hemsky. Good heavens what a nice move. I think even his linemate was left watching.

  8. VanOil says:

    If almost scoring goals was an art Hemsky would be an artist.

  9. crude says:

    Poor old Gags. He’s got heart.

  10. spoiler says:

    Yak the last option for Hall on that shift too. That`s three times this game alone, Yak was the best option and did not get a pass.

  11. OilBuzz says:

    Omg the announcer’s voice is PAINFUL. Hopefully he gets yanked for the 3rd, sounds like a severe cold

  12. RexLibris says:

    They’re trying to pass it into the net again.

  13. SK Oiler Fan says:

    crude,

    fk I sure hope so. He’s sure not helping MacT out though

  14. spoiler says:

    Okay Quinn, it`s the intermission, for godsakes, RUN TO THE BATHROOM!

  15. RexLibris says:

    Not a bad period, but they need to get back to the shooting gallery that was the 1st period.

  16. spoiler says:

    RexLibris: Not a bad period, but they need to get back to the shooting gallery that was the 1st period.

    Yep.

  17. spoiler says:

    I`m starting to think that Larsen might be a real live NHL defenseman very soon. His gaps are still a little wide for a man who skates as well as he does, but damn, there`s some strength and brains to his game.

  18. Rebilled says:

    spoiler,

    I think he was gagging at the end there. Kinda like Gags this game.

  19. spoiler says:

    Rebilled: spoiler, I think he was gagging at the end there. Kinda like Gags this game.

    I`d bet real money there`s an ice cream pail under his chair.

  20. RexLibris says:

    spoiler:
    I`m starting to think that Larsen might be a real live NHL defenseman very soon. His gaps are still a little wide for a man who skates as well as he does, but damn, there`s some strength and brains to his game.

    I’ve been contrasting his development this season to Kris Russell. Both are smaller, puck-moving defenders whose first teams gave up on them and both have offensive upside that, if paired with a little defensive acumen could ensure them long(er) careers.

    Plus Russell is a godless Flame.

  21. Kitchener says:

    RexLibris:
    They’re trying to pass it into the net again.

    The D is also trying to pass it when clearing the zone.

    I like the way Belov keeps neutralizing the body of his guy around the net.

  22. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    spoiler:
    I`m starting to think that Larsen might be a real live NHL defenseman very soon. His gaps are still a little wide for a man who skates as well as he does, but damn, there`s some strength and brains to his game.

    I think a guy blessed with that kind of speed probably never got around to learning straightforward positional defence… or, at least, didn’t read that book nearly as carefully as his slow-footed colleagues.

    I agree, though, I’ve seen him good so far this season. Sounds like Eakins has too.

    IIRC, LT said once it is unlikely the team runs with both him and 19 going forward and it is hard to argue with that.

  23. Pouzar says:

    crude: Ya, he’s a gem. A 6 mil gem? Pushin the river is a valuable quality though. Gags just pushes Dubnyk’s head when a shot is comin. What THE fuck?

    He’s had one 76 point season already and is on pace for 66 pts this year (.8 ppg). I don’t see 6 million per year as prohibitive at all give that production especially with a cap that’s going nowhere but up going forward. Take a look at how many guys scored at that pace the last full NHL season.
    If anything I think he’s been a bit snakebitten this year.

  24. Alsker says:

    Did i see right, we had a guy crash the crease tough enough to anger the oppostion and someone else step up and help defend our guy???? Must be the rum, couldn’t have happened, unless it was Arco+Jonesuu.

  25. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    That’s fine, but given that he was considered a throw-in in the Horcoff deal, if they recoup any value in a trade then the team has come out on top.

    I like him and I’m hoping he continues to develop, be it here or elsewhere.

  26. Andy P says:

    “It’s Arcobello’s fault that I scored” I love that!

  27. Pouzar says:

    spoiler:
    I`m starting to think that Larsen might be a real live NHL defenseman very soon. His gaps are still a little wide for a man who skates as well as he does, but damn, there`s some strength and brains to his game.

    I like him too but there are some polarizing opinions on the guy.

  28. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Not that I’m complaining mind you… but this is a home game and there’s no Mark Spector… what’s that all about?

  29. RexLibris says:

    Based on the graph at ES, the Oilers haven’t been trailing in the shot dept at any point this game.

    Nice.

  30. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    He’s waiting for Quinn to say “uncle” on the pbp. Quinn still hasn’t given up. That says it all.

  31. VanOil says:

    I was checking the out of town scoreboards and was surprised to see NYI tied at 0 with San Jose after the 1st. Checked the shots and they were 18-3 San Jose. I am guessing the score will not stay tied.

  32. Andy P says:

    RexLibris: Based on the graph at ES, the Oilers haven’t been trailing in the shot dept at any point this game. Nice.

    Total yes, but Carolina reversed the shot count in the 2nd period from 14-8 to 6-14

  33. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    RexLibris:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    That’s fine, but given that he was considered a throw-in in the Horcoff deal, if they recoup any value in a trade then the team has come out on top.

    I like him and I’m hoping he continues to develop, be it here or elsewhere.

    I don’t disagree with any of that.

    I’ve been pretty open about re-upping him. I’d like a larger sample size to confirm what I’m seeing, but I’ve certainly liked what I’ve seen so far.

    BUt… yea, let’s hope MacT trades everything he can that he doesn’t plan on keeping around.

  34. Derek says:

    RexLibris:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    He’s waiting for Quinn to say “uncle” on the pbp. Quinn still hasn’t given up. That says it all.

    What? If Quinn goes down Spector assumes the pbp role? Say it ain’t so.

  35. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Yeah, I don’t see MacTavish letting an asset go for nothing when he knows he’s going to make changes, with the exception of a Rajala-type agreement.

  36. RexLibris says:

    I think N. Schultz needs to give his head a shake. Terrible shift.

  37. crude says:

    Pouzar: He’s had one 76 point season already and is on pace for 66 pts this year (.8 ppg). I don’t see 6 million per year as prohibitive at all give that production especially with a cap that’s going nowhere but up going forward. Take a look at how many guys scored at that pace the last full NHL season.
    If anything I think he’s been a bit snakebitten this year.

    Hey, I hear ya. Gem-city. Killer player. Love having him in Oiler silks – don’t even want to trade him, but looking at the current roster, noticing the holes that have been well discussed here and elsewhere, what are the options? Do you trade Yak, do you stand pat?

    I was perhaps misspoke in my initial post when I said trading him AND gags was necessary. But I would think trading one of them is necessary, and gags doesn’t get you what Ebs does on the open market. No?

    Tough questions. Just spit-balling.

  38. RexLibris says:

    Surprisingly few penalties so far.

  39. RexLibris says:

    Terrible pass in front of the net again.

    Carolina did well to cut off the lane, but seriously, bad decision-making.

  40. Lucinius says:

    Wow… Ovechkin with a four goal night to get himself to 26 goals in 29 games.

    He and Stamkos are pretty much the only hope the NHL has of a 50 in 50 ever happening anytime soon (next decade).

  41. RexLibris says:

    Great defensive positioning there by the forwards.

  42. Kitchener says:

    As the minutes pass, watch for Carolina’s #7 to sneek into some crazy defensively irresponsible plays. “Murph” did this for years in Kitchener and was responsible for a LOT of goals. For & against. He’s got great wheels.

  43. spoiler says:

    RexLibris: Surprisingly few penalties so far.

    Well done, Rex!

  44. RexLibris says:

    spoiler: Well done, Rex!

    I try.

  45. RexLibris says:

    Surprisingly few pp goals so far…..

  46. Rebilled says:

    That looked like two trips but I’ll take it.

  47. spoiler says:

    Lucinius: He and Stamkos are pretty much the only hope the NHL has of a 50 in 50 ever happening anytime soon (next decade).

    That seems like a strange limb to crawl out on.

  48. RexLibris says:

    RexLibris:
    Surprisingly few pp goals so far…..

    THAT’S NOT WHAT I MEANT!

  49. Andy P says:

    Gotta love DD.

  50. VanOil says:

    I wish the Oilers would spear some one rather than pull the goalie on the delayed call. They are way better at 4 on 4.

  51. spoiler says:

    RexLibris: Surprisingly few pp goals so far…..

    Well that blew up in our faces. Fate tempted and rejected.

  52. Lucinius says:

    spoiler,

    I was over at my parents’ house the last few days helping my father with a kitchen remodel and we talked old time (which is the ’80s onwards for us as anything earlier predates me) hockey and the topic of 50 in 50 came up a fair bit.

    I don’t think it’ll happen anytime soon, regardless, but a player who could challenge for it would generate a decent amount of buzz for the sport, especially in the States.

  53. spoiler says:

    Potter is definitely dazed.

  54. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Now we have to watch a full 5 min of one and done. Too much to hope for for this team to play 60 min.

  55. Brackenburied says:

    RexLibris: THAT’S NOT WHAT I MEANT!

    Too funny!!

  56. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Oof… what a stupid play.

    The Canes had a very legit chance to win this (still do…) but man… Nash… WTH?

    Hope Potter is ok.

  57. spoiler says:

    Lucinius: spoiler, I was over at my parents’ house the last few days helping my father with a kitchen remodel and we talked old time (which is the ’80s onwards for us as anything earlier predates me) hockey and the topic of 50 in 50 came up a fair bit. I don’t think it’ll happen anytime soon, regardless, but a player who could challenge for it would generate a decent amount of buzz for the sport, especially in the States.

    Oh no doubt, but I wouldn`t say those two are the only chance for the NEXT TEN YEARS! Lol.

  58. crude says:

    Is that give-away on the PP a set-play?

  59. VanOil says:

    SK Oiler Fan,

    One shot would be an improvement so far none and done.

  60. spoiler says:

    We are going to lose this game.

  61. НИНТЕНДО⁶⁴ says:

    Can’t we decline?

  62. Nuckout says:

    Did I see the dreaded elbow to the head on the Nash hit, or was that a shoulder? Can we say Shanaban?

  63. Lucinius says:

    spoiler,

    Really? I don’t see anyone else in the league currently who could feasibly pull it off and and I refuse to believe any near future high picks will be good enough to pull it off because of the chances of the Flames having those picks.

  64. spoiler says:

    Lucinius: spoiler, Really? I don’t see anyone else in the league currently who could feasibly pull it off and and I refuse to believe any near future high picks will be good enough to pull it off because of the chances of the Flames having those picks.

    Well if it`s a religious conviction, then I can understand.

    I promise you though, the Flames will suck at sucking. They lack the conviction for it. They need a Tambo desperately.

  65. Andy P says:

    I think if you still like DD as a playoff Goalie then you’re religious in your belief. He’s generally good but too inconsistent, too many soft, game changing goals.

    I know it’s defensive lapses and all that, but isn’t the Goalie supposed to be your last line of defense?

  66. Lucinius says:

    Whomever devises the Oiler powerplays should be fired.

    I’ve been saying it for almost two months now. Just absolutely dreadful.

  67. Nuckout says:

    Lucinius,

    The only time it has worked was the 5 forward experiment, and that was brief.

  68. Rebilled says:

    Wow.

  69. Derek says:

    I almost hope Edmonton finds a way to lose this one. The comments section in tommorrows “Stop Making So Much Sense IV” will be amazing.

  70. Kitchener says:

    spoiler: Well if it`s a religious conviction, then I can understand.

    …the Flames will suck at sucking.

    Ha ha ha… Stupid Flames.

  71. Derek says:

    Jesus. Hahahaha FUCK

  72. Lois Lowe says:

    Two turnovers by Hall in the D zone lead to the tying goal.

    :sad trombone:

  73. Lowetide says:

    Nice goal by Skinner, great smile too. Oilers le sigh.

  74. Suntory Hanzo says:

    This is why we can’t have nice things.

  75. VanOil says:

    I am out of swear words, merry Xmas Carolina.

  76. Brackenburied says:

    And we suck.

  77. SK Oiler Fan says:

    They only work as hard as they need to. Big problem. Carolina had nothing going, Oilers stop working, then let a tired, not very good team back in it.

  78. hunter1909 says:

    They’ll always have the 1st period.

  79. dsr29 says:

    Lowetide:
    Nice goal by Skinner, great smile too. Oilers le sigh.

    Nice goal?

  80. RexLibris says:

    Take it to OT so we can re-live the Pisani goal.

  81. Lucinius says:

    Hahaha.. the god damn Oilers.

    Honestly. If the Oilers want to actually improve as a hockey team they need four things;

    1) Better defensemen.
    2) A goalie who doesn’t yo-yo in quality.
    3) Skilled players who can play in the defensive zone.
    4) A powerplay devised by someone who knows what the hell they are doing.

    I almost hope the Oilers lose this game because its all on the above at the moment, imo. Coaching has been an issue all season. The skilled guys have struggled defensively, especially given lackluster production. Dubnyk should be looking at the selling price of his home (deservedly so, and I was a fan of his) and our defense just isn’t up the snuff.

  82. wuthering says:

    They look like they’re a bunch of deer caught in WorleyParsonsCord glasses.

  83. hunter1909 says:

    Less than 3 mins to another guaranteed Bettman point! I can hardly take the excitement.

  84. Lois Lowe says:

    Arco is like a better version of Omark.

  85. spoiler says:

    The puck seems difficult to control by both teams tonight.

  86. SK Oiler Fan says:

    WTF is the 4 line doing out there? fk Eakins

  87. hunter1909 says:

    Having Dubnyk in goal doesn’t help either.

  88. Nuckout says:

    RexLibris,

    Had to go there, didn’t you.

  89. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Yak benched again?

  90. Rebilled says:

    9 times outta 10 that goes in on DD.

  91. Derek says:

    Was that a soft or hard save Dubynk made with 20 seconds left to take this game to overtime? I can never tell.

  92. RexLibris says:

    Derek,

    Nice.

  93. fuzzy muppet says:

    Holy moley is Gagner terrible. Move him while you can.

  94. hunter1909 says:

    Nash with an OT goal.

  95. Pouzar says:

    I am so for ready for the end of the doobie era.

  96. Lucinius says:

    I’m a firm believer in any team that blows a 3 goal lead deserves any and all flak headed its way. They had the chances to score and they couldn’t do it and they suffered from the chronic issue of Oiler teams since about ’07 or ’08; a lack of work ethic.

    And any player who can not put forward a decent work ethic for what they get paid should be shot, imo. Its one of the things that is completely in-excusable.

  97. hunter1909 says:

    Canes would like to kill the oilers, who are too babyish yet to understand such things.

  98. RexLibris says:

    I’m not going to say it.

    I’m not going to say it.

  99. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Why gags over yak?

  100. Rebilled says:

    They’re giving us the power play, nice gamble.

  101. commonfan14 says:

    I hope they’re saying “Screw the system.”

  102. Brackenburied says:

    Oh shit. Gags is out there.

  103. spoiler says:

    Does the Nuge not trust his shot

  104. Nuckout says:

    Why do I have a feeling this powerplay is going to be a 2-3 shot waste of time.

  105. Lucinius says:

    Suntory Hanzo:
    Why gags over yak?

    Because Eakins isn’t nearly as good of a coach as many think he is. The lack of consequences for players like Gagner is why you cannot take him seriously. Gagner has been, consistently, one of the worst Oilers since his return from injury and it has yet to impact his ice time, let alone getting him sent to the press box (which should have happened at least twice by now).

  106. RexLibris says:

    Wheeeeeee!

  107. commonfan14 says:

    The down-low play is gold.

  108. spoiler says:

    Nuckout: Why do I have a feeling this powerplay is going to be a 2-3 shot waste of time.

    Lol, no idea.

  109. Lowetide says:

    YES! A sloppy sloppy game but they won it.

  110. dsr29 says:

    Well deserved! or not, whatever!

  111. SK Oiler Fan says:

    This teams PP corsi is negative. Nice save by DD on Hainsey to save the game.

  112. spoiler says:

    I would like whoever devises the powerplay to be terminated immediately, because it never works.

  113. Lucinius says:

    And that is why our powerplay sometimes works with that first unit; if you try it enough times you can almost literally pass the puck into the net, no matter how utterly retarded it is.

  114. crude says:

    Pouzar,

    Tarde him now! wow.

  115. Kitchener says:

    Vintage 2013 Oilers.

  116. bookje says:

    Dubnyk and his soft passes, every game at least one soft pass!

  117. LMHF#1 says:

    They just made an easy win look really, really difficult.

  118. dsr29 says:

    That 4 on 3 unit, without a big shooter, is frustrating to watch.

  119. bookje says:

    Winning bad is better than losing good.

  120. spoiler says:

    Lowetide: YES! A sloppy sloppy game but they won it.

    Didn’t get sloppy till they got the lead, and then they lost the thread of the plot again.

  121. VanOil says:

    Malhotra is a washed up one eyed has been. I wish we would of signed him in September. But we won with our him so it must be all good.

  122. Nuckout says:

    Lowetide,

    Well, someone, I think it was Hall, said in november, “Never lose 2 in a row”, and they’ve kept their word for the last 12 games. That’s an improvement in consistency not seen for YEARS.

  123. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I don’t think anyone was more pissed that it went to overtime or more relieved when it ended then KQ.

    Sleep for a thousand days friend.

  124. RexLibris says:

    Bruins beat the Flames 2-1

    Flames clearly beaten by math, but put together a great road game…in the ‘Dome.

  125. RexLibris says:

    Nuckout:
    Lowetide,

    Well, someone, I think it was Hall, said in november, “Never lose 2 in a row”, and they’ve kept their word for the last 12 games. That’s an improvement in consistency not seen for YEARS.

    Which speaks volumes about how the last few years have gone.

  126. Lowetide says:

    spoiler: Didn’t get sloppy till they got the lead, and then they lost the thread of the plot again.

    Youth is wasted on all the wrong people.

  127. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Despite the fact they scored, that 4 on 3 setup is terrible. 4 guys standing still out of the prime scoring area. Put someone in front of the net dammit and move around.
    Eakins is ultimately responsible for that.

  128. David says:

    To all the whiners and those who find it necessary to find flaws in the game and the team: 7-3-1 sure sounds good, this team isn’t as bad as their record. Enjoy the win!

  129. VanOil says:

    Lucinius:
    if you try it enough times you can almost literally pass the puck into the net, no matter how utterly retarded it is.

    I want this written on the locker room walls.

  130. gretzkytolemieux says:

    I would like to hear some uncomfortable questions from the msm after this one. Question d-zone coverage by Gags, blueline turnovers by Hall/Ebs, etc. Then ask why Yak doesn’t get the opportunity to make the same mistakes. Carolina ran our show in that third period. Disheartening? Depressing? Disgusting? I still care, but the tank is emptying….

  131. НИНТЕНДО⁶⁴ says:

    bookje:
    Dubnyk and his soft passes,every game at least one soft pass!

    Last game I was at he was first off the ice at the end of the game. And they lost by a goal. QED.

  132. hags9k says:

    Skated great in the first, got the lead, but then remembered they don’t know how to defend and got all self-conscious about it…seen it a hundred times but this ending was different! The tying goal came before the last minute, I was shocked, then a PP OT goal from Nuge’s sauces. Take it!

  133. Lucinius says:

    gretzkytolemieux,

    This is one of the things that bothers me the most (and many things about the Oilers bother me); I can understand sitting players like Yak in the third when you are protecting the lead. It makes sense.

    Except, the Oilers have a tendency to lose the lead with him sitting on the bench because in lieu of Yak they play other players who we know are horrible at protecting leads (like Gagner who gets rewarded for shitty play).

    As such, sitting Yak to protect a lead makes no sense whatsoever. Oilers are a team that should always stay in ‘score more’ mode and never sit back, especially with Gordon out of the line-up, because they are horrible at it and don’t have the goalie for it either.

  134. VanOil says:

    Jonathan Willis ‏@JonathanWillis 8m
    First media guy to ask Eakins ‘Why is Sam Gagner playing ahead of Arcobello, given his poor defensive play?’ wins everything.

    I wonder if this will happen.

  135. Professor Q says:

    VanOil:
    Jonathan Willis ‏@JonathanWillis 8m
    First media guy to ask Eakins ‘Why is Sam Gagner playing ahead of Arcobello, given his poor defensive play?’ wins everything.

    I wonder if this will happen.

    Does Eakins even know why he does the things he does?

  136. Professor Q says:

    “It was a weird game. The crowd was with us, then against us, then back with us.” – Jordan Eberle, with the defining statement of Oilers fans.

  137. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Gregor is making a claim that I haven’t heard before and now I’m curious and wonder if anyone else shares his impression.

    The Oilers have given up 72 goals 5-on-5, but they’ve only scored 47. The organization needs to stop focusing so much on the PP, stop believing that the PP is the engine that drives the team, and realize that until they improve at ES they won’t win. It is painfully obvious.

    http://oilersnation.com/2013/12/10/gdb-320-fond-memories

    I think we can all agree that the Oil need a lot of work at Evens (on special teams too, ha!)… but does anyone else have the sense that the organization (from mgt. to coaching) believes “the PP is the engine that drives the team”?

    I honestly can’t recall MacT or Eakins or a player saying anything like this. That the PP is important certainly. But, the engine that drives the team… ?

    Because these damn pressers aren’t transcribed it’s difficult to do any kind of check here… but does anyone else share this opinion, or recall someone saying something like this?

  138. spoiler says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I think we can all agree that the Oil need a lot of work at Evens (on special teams too, ha!)… but does anyone else have the sense that the organization (from mgt. to coaching) believes “the PP is the engine that drives the team”?
    I honestly can’t recall MacT or Eakins or a player saying anything like this. That the PP is important certainly. But, the engine that drives the team… ?
    Because these damn pressers aren’t transcribed it’s difficult to do any kind of check here… but does anyone else share this opinion, or recall someone saying something like this?

    I have it at 24-11, EV-PP goals, over the past ten games (but it’d late and I’m tired, might’ve missed an ENer in there somewhere). Have no idea what he is talking about. It’s certainly not something that has been trending.

  139. G Money says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: but does anyone else have the sense that the organization (from mgt. to coaching) believes “the PP is the engine that drives the team”?
    I honestly can’t recall MacT or Eakins or a player saying anything like this. That the PP is important certainly. But, the engine that drives the team… ?

    I find that a bizarre statement. The PP needs more importance, not less. If the Oilers don’t go 0-7 against Calgary, they win walking away. If they score on the major, it should have been an easy regulation victory.

    That said, apart from Arcobello, I am continually amazed how rapidly this team becomes complacent.

    One good game – complacent the next.

    Tonight, one good period – complacent the next two, long enough to almost give it away, with only a fluky sight unseen goal-line save by Dubnyk keeping it tied with 25s left.

    It is mind boggling to observe.

  140. stevezie says:

    spoiler:
    I`m starting to think that Larsen might be a real live NHL defenseman very soon. His gaps are still a little wide for a man who skates as well as he does, but damn, there`s some strength and brains to his game.

    I remember a time when MA Bergeron stopped a breakaway by closing almost an entire zone on the puck carrier. The commentator, who was not happy with MA earlier, said, …And that’s why that man will always have a job in the NHL. Wow, that was really fast.”
    I think Larsen is a better skater than Bergeron ever was. Doesn’t have his shot though… in fact he lacks a lot, but his mobility will buy him all kinds of development time. Definitely coming along, though I wish he didn’t get so much pp time.

  141. stevezie says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Well, either way, does it have to be an either/or? Can’t we not suck at evens and not suck on the PP?

    Haha, suck on the PP. That’s almost as good as Louis complimenting Larsen for really tightening his gap.

  142. nycoil says:

    Sorry if someone mentioned this already, but Eakins post-game in response to a question about the power play: “It was one for three. That’s a helluva night.”
    The doughnuts have been replaced by something more potent!

  143. G Money says:

    Wow the fancy stats sure paint a picture.

    Score effects: Overall Corsi 50% (apropos of a 5/4 OT game), CF% 5×5 close 59.6% Oilers, CF% 5×5 47.9% Oilers

    Worst Corsi Forwards: Hall/Gagner/Yak all at 31%

    Best Corsi Forward: Gazdic at 85.7%

    My stomach was still churning after the game. Reading these stats made me simultaneously giggle, burp, and fart.

  144. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    spoiler: I have it at 24-11, EV-PP goals, over the past ten games (but it’d late and I’m tired, might’ve missed an ENer in there somewhere).Have no idea what he is talking about. It’s certainly not something that has been trending.

    Yea… but Gregor seems to be suggesting this is a belief held by the Oilers, not simply a reality (i.e., that they are built to live and die by the PP, rather than they happen to be living/dying by the PP)… neither of which is necessarily true as you point out.

    G Money: I find that a bizarre statement. The PP needs more importance, not less. If the Oilers don’t go 0-7 against Calgary, they win walking away. If they score on the major, it should have been an easy regulation victory.

    I couldn’t agree more. The PP needs a lot of work.

    But, I wouldn’t work it to the exclusion of 5×5. This team needs help everywhere.

    stevezie:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Well, either way, does it have to be an either/or? Can’t we not suck at evens and not suck on the PP?

    Haha, suck on the PP. That’s almost as good as Louis complimenting Larsen for really tightening his gap.

    No. Definitely not either/or here. We all can agree they suck at all disciplines.

    That’s not really the question.

    Gregor is suggesting it is the team’s philosophy to drive results via the PP (it is the “engine of the team”), i.e., that mgt. and coaches believe this to be the area of most importance and to be most likely to lead to success, i.e., that they can discount the importance of 5×5 play.

    This may be the case… but it’s not something this Oiler obsessive has heard.

  145. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    nycoil:
    Sorry if someone mentioned this already, but Eakins post-game in response to a question about the power play: “It was one for three. That’s a helluva night.”
    The doughnuts have been replaced by something more potent!

    http://oilersnation.com/2013/12/10/dallas-eakins-trolls-oilers-fansmedia

  146. spoiler says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Yea… but Gregor seems to be suggesting this is a belief held by the Oilers, not simply a reality (i.e., that they are built to live and die by the PP, rather than they happen to be living/dying by the PP)… neither of which is necessarily true as you point out.

    I’m refuting the one stat you quoted of his. If that’s part of the basis for his argument, recently, where we have seen the most success as a team, it has been false.

  147. spoiler says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I couldn’t agree more. The PP needs a lot of work.
    But, I wouldn’t work it to the exclusion of 5×5. This team needs help everywhere.

    The one helpful thing this team needs more than anything else is time.

  148. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    spoiler: I’m refuting the one stat you quoted of his.If that’s part of the basis for his argument, recently, where we have seen the most success as a team, it has been false.

    And I appreciate it. It helps to expand the discussion. The record is certainly pertinent here.

    I was just trying to clarify my confusion.

    At any rate, in the comments he suggests that all of RK, Eakins, Hall and MacT have claimed the PP is the engine that drives the team. I have no recollection of these comments and can’t find a record of them.

  149. stevezie says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    The comments section continues to justify its reputation. It’s not often that not getting a joke is even funnier than the joke, but I guess it can happen.

  150. russ99 says:

    Out of our first four goals, two were on the rush, and two on the dump/cycle.

    The two on the dump/cycle were because we beat the opponent to the puck, and they were soft on the wall. This changed in the second period, they became much tougher on the wall. One good thing is we seem to have fixed the problem where we had 2-3 forwards behind the goal line.

    Too much has been said about winning puck battles, but doing so is not only dependent on how the Oilers attack the puck, but also depends on the physicality and skill of the opposing player, Carolina was softer in this regard, and we won’t have such an easy time vs. our upcoming Western Conference opponents.

    Again, my mantra that dump/cycle scoring is only consistently effective due to opponent mistakes.

    Can we get a special coach hired to do something about the hideous power play?

    When’s Bryz going to be back? Dubnyk had a pretty good game, but that shorty was all him coming that far out of the net. You can’t give the opponent that kind of space advantage.

  151. jake70 says:

    PP the engine that drives the team: Taylor Hall said this direct line within the last 5 or 6 days….either in an off-day scrum or a game day chat…can’t recall..it’s on the Oilers site however, the interview.

  152. Professor Q says:

    I noticed, and I realise it was only one play, that Arcobello was very Peca-esque on that one goal (chasing the puck on a dump in when most others would change lines or whatever). Nice to see. I haven’t watched any other games this season really, so I guess I’m asking if he’s playing regularly like so? Hence the praise?

  153. nycoil says:

    stevezie,

    Just so we are clear I thought his deadpan was hilarious! I apologize if my 2am attempt at humour with the doughnut comment was awful.
    Hope the boys can step up vs Boston.

  154. nycoil says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: http://oilersnation.com/2013/12/10/dallas-eakins-trolls-oilers-fansmedia

    Oi vey. I can’t unsee what I’ve seen. Thank goodness for Lowetide’s existence.

  155. Cobbler says:

    nycoil,

    NYC OIL, I agree I loved Eakins response, as I loved Hall’s response the other day to the Cassie Campbell critique. These guys probably feel at this point that they can’t win the public opinion battle going on and its nice to see some push back.

    This is the current fan/media mantra:

    “If the top line garner points but lose the game on some turnovers, they are in it for themselves; they just care about getting points not wins. If the PP has its lapses, but goes 1-3, then the PP sucks. If they rely too much on the PP for scoring and ignore even strength scoring, well they shouldn’t be focusing so much on the PP; but man that PP has to get better; fire the guy who runs the PP!!. If they go 7-3-1 in their last 11 – well that was against a bunch of crappy teams” blah, blah, blah…….on and on….

    Folks are just so much in the mode of bashing this team its now just become automatic and this is pathetic from a once proud fan base.

    Hey the won the game, it got ugly but they won it. The scorers scored, they had some support on the score sheet from the depth guys. They are 7-3-1 in the last 11 games.

    You know last night was just a good hockey game to watch. The Oil stormed out with a few beauty goals, Carolina came back and forced OT through some hard work, and the Oil won on the PP in OT.

    The nitpicking needs to stop at some point. End rant.

  156. stevezie says:

    nycoil,

    Oh I got what you were saying, I mean the ON comment boards. I like the people here.

    And if I had to apologize about every late-night joke no one else thought was funny- well I wouldn’t do that. Even though on this very thread I made a sucking on the PP joke. I stand by it.

  157. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    jake70:
    PP the engine that drives the team:Taylor Hall said this direct line within the last 5 or 6 days….either in an off-day scrum or a game day chat…can’t recall..it’s on the Oilers site however, the interview.

    Thanks!

    I found it.

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=499835&catid=4

    The quote is subtly very different though:

    “It seems like when we do play well this year, our PP and our PK is kind of the engine that is getting us going. Our ST last game weren’t great by any means, it took us 50mins to get going.”

    This is a comment about in-game momentum. Note, he goes on later to say at 5×5 it is all on them.

    This quotes is not really any different from him talking about the importance of good starts to games here:

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=501404&catid=4

    Or, him talking about playing with lead and the confidence it gives here (note he goes on to say “good teams” don’t need this in-game boost)

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=503529&catid=4

    None of these statements amount to some kind of definition of the character of the team, how it was built to succeed, or what it believes to be driving results. They simply aren’t meant to be taken so broadly.

    If I said, “it seems like when I have a good day, coffee is kind of the engine that gets me going”

    Are you going to interpret that qualified statement as some kind of subtending philosophy about my approach to life?

  158. jake70 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Thanks!

    I found it.

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=499835&catid=4

    The quote is subtly very different though:

    “It seems like when we do play well this year, our PP and our PK is kind of the engine that is getting us going. Our ST last game weren’t great by any means, it took us 50mins to get going.”

    This is a comment about in-game momentum. Note, he goes on later to say at 5×5 it is all on them.

    This quotes is not really any different from him talking about the importance of good starts to games here:

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=501404&catid=4

    Or, him talking about playing with lead and the confidence it gives here (note he goes on to say “good teams” don’t need this in-game boost)

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=503529&catid=4

    None of these statements amount to some kind of definition of the character of the team, how it was built to succeed, or what it believes to be driving results. They simply aren’t meant to be taken so broadly.

    If I said, “it seems like when I have a good day, coffee is kind of the engine that gets me going”

    Are you going to interpret that qualified statement as some kind of subtending philosophy about my approach to life?

    Yeah, didn’t quote Hall accurately, thought I did, nothing intended by it.

  159. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    jake70: Yeah, didn’t quote Hall accurately, thought I did, nothing intended by it.

    Oh, you quoted it fine and more importantly you pointed me to the quote that probably got stuck in Gregor’s head.

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