IS THE ANSWER JESUS?

The Edmonton Oilers are the only team that seems absolutely hellbent on making their fanbase miss the lockout. The Edmonton Oilers played well on the left coast last night and I can’t find anyone to blame. Seriously.

  • Eakins: “I can’t find a lot wrong with our game tonight. I thought our guys played excellent right to the end.”
  • RNH: “We’re all kind of done with (moral victories). We’re not happy about a game like this at all.”

I think (THINK) Dallas Eakins has this about right:

  • “I wish I could find something in our game that was deficient, but we played strong. I can’t find a whole lot wrong with our game there. I thought, to a man, our guys played excellent. It’s a game of mistakes, but I thought our mistakes tonight were honest ones, so it’s hard to place blame. It was one of those nights where you thought you might at least get a point, if not both.”

So, the story from last night is this: a team that is in a bad way gathered themselves together and played in the range of as well as they could, and yet they didn’t play well enough and the Hockey Gods are watching Goodfellas this year and are not going to forgive the shinebox incident. It’s bad, gents. The kind of season that makes grown men turn to hydropnics and ABBA’s Greatest Hits.

Choose your defense: demon rye, a good book, walks, dogs, legs to the sky, the love of a good woman. Whatever your pleasure, you find it and you stay there for as long as you can, because this storm is a killer. And this is a bad movie baby, the dog dies at the end.

I don’t really know the questions anymore, but I think the answer is Jesus.

Carolina Hurricanes v Edmonton Oilers - Game 4

The one good thing about this morning is the answer is clear. Craig MacTavish must huddle with his most trusted people—I assume the pro scouts like the Sutter—identify a piss-cutter defenseman who can play 25 minutes a night in all situations, and make the phone call. “Hey there, Clem, whatcha say about sending me that horse on defense of yours?” and Clem will ask for the sun, the moon, the stars and the prettiest girl in the county.

And MacTavish must say yes. Because all this stockpiling of talent worked great—the Oilers do in fact have a plethora of elite talent up front—this bunch are dealing with expectations. One good defenseman won’t turn them into a Stanley Cup contender, but it will calm the waters and re-set the blue.

So, choose your poison: Eberle, Yakupov, Nugent-Hopkins, Hall, Justin Schultz, David Perron. I wouldn’t trade the #1 overall picks but I do believe it’ll take one of them or Eberle to get this thing done. Find the defenseman, the really good NHL defenseman who can play heavy minutes.

And make sure your aim is true.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

slapshot gifsAt 10 this morning, we talk about calm feet, defense, and when will it end. TSN 1260, scheduled to appear:

  • Tyler Dellow, mc79 hockey. Tyler can usually make sense of these situations, we’ll talk to him about last night’s game and how to get this team turned North.
  • Travis Yost, Hockeybuzz. He’s a Bills fan and follows the Senators. Misery loves company.
  • Ryan Pike, The Hockey Writers and Flames Nation. I’m still trying to get to the bottom of the Feaster filleting.
  • Andrew Bucholtz, 55 Yard Line. CFL Expansion draft this morning. Yeah!

10-1260 via text, @Lowetide_ on twitter. Sermon at 10, no collection plate but there might be some loud noises.

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130 Responses to "IS THE ANSWER JESUS?"

  1. Gret99zky says:

    Agree.

    A stud Dman is the only option.

    If I’m MacT I try to keep Hall and RNH on the roster. Everyone else is currency.

    The sad thing is most GM’s (and some fans) know the way to rebuild is from the back end out.

    But Oilers.

  2. vesci says:

    LT. Your articles are one of the things left that I sincerely enjoy.
    Oilers,Eskimos, Celtics and Cowboys fan. Maybe the only thing worse than being an Oilers fan right now is being a Cowboys fan. At least the Oilers snuffed out my hope long ago.
    I am starting to go to yoga with my wife. This is what it has come to.

  3. Andy P says:

    Well I know I am farting against thunder here but I’m encouraged by last night’s game. We were in it right to the end.
    I wish we could have had Bryz in net sooner but that wasn’t a bad decision, the man was injured.
    But I do feel that the one person who has unintentionally and for reasons beyond his control, done the most damage to this team, it is Devan Dubnyk. I know it’s not his fault for being 1 ” shorter than the height required to qualify for a big man stick and pads, but the outcome sucked the confidence out of the team playing in front of him, failed to compensate for the terrible string of injuries we had early on, failed to compensate for a defence finding its way, was a major contributor in the 3 x 5 game losing streak that destroyed our season, and more.
    So here we are, back in panic mode, about to trade our left and right testicles and perhaps our dick as well, for a painted rubber (chicken).
    Last night’s team did that sans Hemmers. I’m thinking that with Hemmers in the line up perhaps we would have that one more goal or one less goal against. Either way, the team that played last night could conceivably beat all but a handful of teams in this league. We’re almost there even to the eye of this non-expert.
    We do need some more size and sandpaper up front, we do need to stabilize our goalie situation in the off season but in the mean time we do need to cast about for a stud free agent defenseman between now and next season.
    But with this season lost I wonder at the sanity of trading our future for a little bit of short term feel good.

  4. TheOtherJohn says:

    Think you could get a lot for David Perron but I like the idea of keeping him on roster. He is a shift by shift message to some of our ‘stars” what relentless competitiveness does for you. Dellow like Campbell. Why not bring in Campbell and Gilbert as a pairing. They’re gonna struggle against the big teams in WC but so do our current D

    Was surprised me was ANa only played physical for 5-8 minutes in the 3rd period. Huge advantage and they didn’t use it

  5. knighttown says:

    Edmonton Oilers record vs. the Top Half of the NHL:

    2-17

    Two wins against 17 losses!!! This isn’t against just the elite, this is against a whole host of just decent NHL teams.

    Against the bottom half of the NHL:

    8-8

    One of the favored narratives after a night like last night is that this team is inconsistent. Absolute horseshit, this team is about as easy to predict as any in recent history. They play a bad team, it’s a coin toss. They play a good team, they lose. They play a motivated good team like Vancouver who hates their guts? They get blown out of the water. People have to remember there are two teams out there. Don’t be so quick to chalk that up as an excellent performance by Edmonton. They were pretty good for them but Anaheim and especially Getzlaf’s line, was awful.

  6. Cobbler says:

    My current feeling on the team/rebuild is as follows:

    Goaltending:

    I like the the Bryzgalov, Dubnyk, Bachman, Brossoit, Bunz depth chart. The org. has the ability to not re-sign Bryz and Dubnyk and go shopping for a new No.1. Bachman and Brossoit on the farm works well for next year. We have a potential future starter in Brossoit and as painful as giving Smid up was I do believe that Brossoit>>Olivier Roy.

    Defence:

    Agree (as all do) that we need to bring in a clear cut top defenceman and I am now convinced one of the top forwards needs to go ASAP to achieve this.

    You will need a top D man to help shelter and usher in the next crop of defensive prospects.

    Forwards:

    IMO still too soft on a lot of plays. A lot of this is maturity and feel it will come with Hall, Nuge, Ebs and ultimately Yak. Ultimately they need to show the same game as Perron is currently. With the acquisition of Perron, I think that one of Yak or Ebs are the one to go to acquire that top D.

    My preference would be Yak. I know he will develop into an outstanding player and may currently be undervalued, but I think this franchise is at the point where it needs to utilize one of these skilled forwards as currency and get a fully developed top D man.

    I gotta think even with his less than stellar production that we can get a good return on Yak. Look what and 2nd and MPS brought us.

  7. Cobbler says:

    Also am quite disappointed in the Gagner’s play this year. Have always been a fan, but I gotta say he is losing me.

    At this point if he can be moved, pull the trigger.

  8. russ99 says:

    This year the Olympic roster freeze is on Feb 12th, and there’s only 3 days between the end of the freeze and the Trade Deadline.

    MacT has lots of heavy lifting to do between Jan 2nd and then.

    Then use the Olympic Break as another training camp. Looks like Hall and Hemsky are the only Oiler player with a shot at going to Sochi, so that should be pretty much a full roster.

    If all works out we should (and better) see some real improvement towards the end of the season.

  9. nelson88 says:

    I didn’t catch the 3rd but liked the Oilers game last night. Would bet on Yak being the odd man out. As bleak as the Oilers record looks a #1D and solid goaltending to start the season has this team fighting for a playoff spot. As LT states, MacT has plenty of assets. To date his track record is pretty good. I’m hoping like hell the “big one” is closer to the Perron deal than Clarkson.

    Unfortunately the other individual in this altercation does not appear to be Kassian. I believe in Karma and that ass and his team are going to get theirs. Preferrably on the 2nd last game of the season with a playoff spot on the line, a #1D on the Oilers roster and SMac and Gazdic on hand for the get together. Just saying.

    http://www.vancouversun.com/news/With+video+Boston+Bruins+forward+Milan+Lucic+involved+incident/9290026/story.html

  10. knighttown says:

    knighttown:
    Edmonton Oilers record vs. the Top Half of the NHL:

    2-17

    Two wins against 17 losses!!!This isn’t against just the elite, this is against a whole host of just decent NHL teams.

    Oh, and just to make sure that isn’t normal distribution, I ran the numbers for a wholly mediocre Dallas team who are sitting in 17th.

    7-10 against the top half and only 8-6 against the dregs. Now here’s a team whose fans have the right to question whether the team is underperforming. They have a quite solid record against the good teams (way better than the Wild for instance) but have way too many losses against bad teams like Edmonton and Florida. The Wild on the other hand are 14-4 against the weak sisters…”taking care of business” like that is enough to have them in a playoff spot while Dallas is looking in from the outside.

    So no, the Oilers haven’t turned a corner or any other term we like to use. The goalies are playing better and teams that don’t care about them (non-Vancouver) are beginning to look past them which is bound to happen in an 82 game season.

  11. Ben says:

    Eberle for Byfuglien. Straight up.

    Or Gagner, Klefbom + if that gets you into the conversation.

  12. theres oil in virginia says:

    knighttown: People have to remember there are two teams out there. Don’t be so quick to chalk that up as an excellent performance by Edmonton. They were pretty good for them but Anaheim and especially Getzlaf’s line, was awful.

    I more-or-less agree with this post, but I haven’t seen folks saying that this was an excellent performance by the Oilers. Mostly, I see folks saying that they didn’t make the huge mistakes that were characteristic of their earlier games, and the effort was solid. By my eye, the goals last night weren’t the usual stinkers, so I agree with that analysis. Also, I thought the Oilers did a good job of being pesky in the d-zone. They didn’t usually give the Ducks a lot of open space, which may help to explain the Getzlaf-line’s performance.

  13. Bruce McCurdy says:

    And MacTavish must say yes.

    No, he “must” not. What would be the point of trading RNH and re-opening that gaping wound at centre just to fill (part of) the hole on defence. We’re back to playing whack-a-mole.

    I agree that yes you have to shop and shop aggressively, but if you’re going to trade, trade from depth. And that’s on the wing.

  14. Henry says:

    Mike Milbury thought he needed some scoring so he drafted Rick DiPietro and traded Roberto Luongo and OJokinen for Mark Parrish and change. He just dug the hole deeper for them.

    I hope Mac takes a lot of care scouting in the quest for a #1D. Next year’s first should be the chip they start with.

  15. maudite says:

    On one end, the answers are pretty simple:

    Hall – RNH – Eberle/Hemsky/Gagner/Yakupov
    Peron – XXX – Eberle/Hemsky/Gagner/Yakupov
    XXX – Gordon – Arco/Lander
    XXX – Arco/Lander – XXX

    Gasdick, XXX

    XXX Petry
    Ference Fedun
    Belov Larsen
    Nultz

    You can’t really pay bottom 6 wingers 4.5 million plus. That money better spent on defense.

    Unless Hemsky will sign a lower contract, decide on your top two RW. Now put the other two in the trade pile. factoring in trade value, I pick Yak and Gagner to keep.

    So:

    Eberle, Hemsky trade bait. (would prefer Gagner/Hemmer but I think eberle has more value and the drop off between the two on RW likely not that massive given 1.2 million dollar difference in Cap hit)

    I like J Shultz but with Klef, Marincin, Nurse in the wings; we need a serious 3-5 year upgrade and it will cost. So I trade him to a team in the earlier phases of “rebuilding” if I can find a suitable candidate.

    Calgary – Gio
    Buffalo – Erhoff

    I also would be hunting for a bigger body 2C that can play 200ft. I keep getting stuck on SC but I haven’t done much digging.

    So I walk out to the store with:

    Hemsky, Eberle/Gagner, J Shultz, Klefbom, 2013 1st/2nd/3rd, Musil, Dubnyk (we will be hearing his name in the NHL for at least 5 more years I bet) and see what I can get. In zero panic but I start sifting out options. I would like to make a deal with the leafs as they seem not overly sharp at relative value of players but they don’t have much I really want or makes sense (no thanks to Clarkson. We do not need another 5 million on our wings).

    In my dream scenario (paying reasonable prices):

    J Shultz, Gagner, Musil for Gio+ pick (say 2nd)
    Eberle, Klefbom for SC + or maybe they want to trade Vinny…

  16. Cobbler says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    I agree. I would not move RNH for anything right now. I think if a move its made and a top forward is the demand, Yak and Eberle need to be considered. As expressed above, my preference would be to see Yak moved before Ebs.

    Henry, I agree and would preferably move the 2014 1st before moving a Top 6 forward, but maybe both can be leveraged this year.

  17. Jon K says:

    It’s interesting that, by and large, the blogosphere demanded at the time of the drafts that the team not avert from “best pick available”. One of the supporting arguments of this position was that the team could not know it’s needs by the time the players are developed and ready to contribute, and that the best picked assets could later be used to fill the team’s needs by trade.

    Now that we are at that point, where it is realized that the team has failed to develop a top pairing defender, people are staunchly against the idea of moving one of the best picked assets for a defender.

    Acquiring the kind of asset this team lacks means moving someone like Eberle or Yakupov. That is the sad truth, if we accept that Hall is the best of the cluster and that RNH himself fills a desperate need for the team.

    Gagner is not going to return quality in a trade, and quite frankly he’s unmovable for a number of reasons. I do think that it may turn out to be one of the lingering missteps of MacT’s tenure as GM. Gagner at present is likely overpaid, and MacT gave his word he wouldn’t move him during the first year of his contract.

    Tangential rant:

    This is a bad team. It’s been a bad team for a long time. There is only one constant in that duration and it is Kevin Lowe. Every other aspect of the team has turned over. All the players save for Hemsky have moved, the ownership has changed, scouting and training has been turned over, and we’ve gone through nearly all of the coaches willing to give it a shot.

    If things continue on their current trajectory I could see myself actually spending money to campaign for Lowe’s removal from the organization. How about a big billboard with the Oilers W/L record since 2004/2005 with conference position and Lowe’s 6 rings quotation beside it?

  18. Yeti says:

    Curious. I’m not entirely certain that Rob Schremp is the answer to the Oil’s problems, but if that’s what LT thinks it will take, then bring him back. MacT was always one of his biggest fans and I’m sure he and Eakins will get along like long lost brothers reunited.

  19. Bad Seed says:

    The players I’d have on the block would be:

    Gagner, Jultz/Petry, Eberle.

    Now, trading Gagner may be selling low but what we see is what we’ve got with him. I see no point at all in moving him to the wing. Package him up with Petry or Jultz & there’s your #1D. Of the young core, Eberle would be the guy that I’d move & who may get you the most, even with that contract. This team needs some grade A pricks on it. Ideally it would be preferable to find a young D in his prime, not his 30′s like Erhoff. What if Nurse/Klefbom don’t turn out? Pretty likely with this team’s history of development.

  20. Dee Dee says:

    I remember Kevin Lowe stating that they were tired of having a team that always scrambling and fighting tooth and nail to scrape into the playoffs and that they were going to tank “correctly” and retool a Stanley Cup contender.

    Well, they didn’t and I am betting he would love to return to those lousy days of actually contending for the playoffs.

    The organization is broken. In fact it is so broken I am doubtful it can be fixed.

    Owner – In denial and seems happy working with the Boys on the Bus Gang.
    President – In denial, makes as many bad choices as good, blames bad choices on his coaches and GMs.
    GM – rookie who has to turn the tide of 7 years of ineptitude on a very short string.
    Coach – (see GM) with the added problem of players who know they can do their own thing and maybe have it better with the next coach. Oh, and was saddled with two assistants who were boys on the bus and running things forever.
    Players – Soft soft soft. New crop is outplaying the existing squad though. Perron is an absolute gem and is outplaying the 6 million dollar men.

    As a fan I feel like that prisoner from ShawShank redemption having spent 7 years travelling down a sewer pipe full of shit, but realizing I am still stuck in the pipe and have no idea how far the exit is.

    It sucks.

    I don’t care if it solves anything or changes anything, but fire Kevin Lowe.

    Please..

  21. Old School G says:

    My first phone call would be Garth Snow. Topic of Discussion: Travis Hamonic.

  22. SoCaloil says:

    It seems to me that you are all missing another important component
    That’s the 4th line
    Gadzik/ Joensuu played a whopping 2 min each
    Arco was on the pk so played more
    Why do they bother dressing and paying these guys for 2 min?
    The boys did a great job killing that major
    The were winded after
    Eakins should have noticed after two straight icings
    You either have the 4th killing penalties or grinding
    And you get em on the ice when you’re top two lines are getting out worked
    Instead. He double shifts them
    You don’t need Jesus. You need common sense from coaches and management

  23. fuzzy muppet says:

    vesci,

    The Oilers are my favorite thing in sports, followed by the Dallas Cowboys and the Minnesota Twins.

    People wonder why I need therapy. Clearly there’s something wrong with me.

  24. slopitch says:

    I think you need to keep Eberle. He needs to be around to keep Hall happy till the Oilers start winning to keep Hall sane.

    There is progress here just that the Oilers have like 6 Mike Riberio’s and good teams have 1-2 surrounded properly. The penguins are able to survive without 5 of their top 6 d because Crosby and because all their forwards outside Malkin are 2 way players (ok and Jussi Jokinen). I believe a move is required as well. Maybe its a good time to ask about Travis Hamonic.

  25. Caramel Obvious says:

    I think people around here are caught up in chasing the past.

    Unfortunately, there is no Pronger out there or coming. Trading for your idea of Pronger isn’t a good idea.

    Fortunately, there is more than one way to win. With many good players instead of one star player and good team play.

    Unfortunately, the Oilers don’t have many good players.

    Answer: Instead of trying to fit a blueprint of what you think the team needs, just keep it simple and remember get good players, keep good players. Trading for need is a bad idea if you have to pay a premium in good players to do so.

    There is no such thing as an ideal roster. Just add good players, whomever they may be and wherever they may play.

  26. G Money says:

    - The idea that anyone is untouchable in a trade is a bad line in the sand to draw. It’s a matter of what you get back. If you could trade Taylor Hall for Stamkos, wouldn’t you?

    - As fans, we tend to overvalue our players in trade scenarios. There were quite a few posters on this blog lamenting the loss of Pajaarvi. Anyone lamenting that trade now?

    - That said, you don’t build an elite team by stinking for a long time, collecting elite players through #1 picks, then trade those elite players for mid-pack players. Like for like, elite for elite, or you don’t do the trade. The core elite players for this team are: Hall, RNH, Eberle, Yak, Jultz. The elite prospects at this time are: Nurse, Klefbom. Anyone else you trade in a heartbeat if it improves the team.

    - There are a number of players who should have a legit place on an elite team – though in some cases, that requires playing farther down the lineup. On that list I would place Petry, Perron, Gordon, Arco. Gagner is not on that list – though I think more highly of him than many (and I believe he will find his game yet), I like a lineup with RNH 1C, Gordon 3C, and Arco 4C. Gagner would do great as a 2C on a team with big physical wingers. We have elite skill but not much physicality at wing, so we need a different player type than Gagner at 2C. Hemsky is not on the list because unfortunately, it is clear we are still a few years of team building away from competing, and that takes us out of Hemsky’s window.

    - So the extended core of this team consists of 1L-C-R, 2L/2R, 3C, 4C, 3D and 4D, plus prospects at 2D and 5D. Look at all those holes. Is it any wonder we complain that this team lacks defense and depth (and I didn’t even mention goaltending)?

  27. gcw_rocks says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Hear hear. The currency this team has to work with is Gagner, Eberle, Hemsky, Yakupov, Perron, up front, and Klefbom, Nurse, Marincin in the prospect pool. Two of those wingers should be leveraged, and one of the defensive prospects. My choices would be Gagner, Hemsky and Klefbom, but they could easily swap Yakupov or Eberle for the right defender and I would not lose a moment of sleep over it.

  28. PhrankLee says:

    This team is so passive! I see more emotion in a high school badminton match. This team plays well when emotionally motivated. Coach has mentioned it before but not as black and white. I think he was thankful for a quote from a Habs player because it “sparked the team”. Getting nothing in return from the bench after a 5 min kill ,save the crickets chirping, was the distressing part of this last game. It is a very hard thing to do as a fan; agreeing with the GM that the team stinks and the season is over. I live in Ontario for some years now and moved here during the series with Detroit en route to the SCF. The crickets are deafening out here. Plus Edmonton is the butt of EVERY joke relating to hockey here in Toronto. This is beyond torture. Cruel and unusual, indeed.

  29. gcw_rocks says:

    G Money,

    The problem with the Paajarvi trade wasn’t the trade itself. The problem people had with it was MacT never filled the hole he created at 3LW when he used MPS to fill the hole at 2LW. If he had made the trade and then signed Mason Raymond or Brendan Morrow to fill MPS’s role, then giddy up. But to fill one hole be creating another is like moving around deck chairs on the Titanic.

  30. knighttown says:

    Oilers goal differential against the Top Half of the NHL is 39-72 including the 8-2 win against Colorado who likely will fall back into the bottom half. 31-70 taking out that game.

    Against the bottom half? 54-46.

    The Oilers need relegation in the biggest possible way.

  31. Wes Mantooth-11 says:

    I can think of a player to blame.

    Penner was Gagner man, he went to the wrong man again! Was on for 2 of the 3 goals & if you can’t find the pattern in that then…..

    I would go after two defensemen, Ryan McDonagh & Tyler Myers. I would use pics & prospects, the Oilers are in the hurry up now part of the rebuild.

  32. Traktor says:

    Sam Gagner isn’t going to get you us a stud but he can get us some help on the blue line that is still on the right side if his career. Hemsky could probably get us a veteran with a similar contract. Acro could fi one of the holes.

  33. denny33 says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    And MacTavish must say yes.
    No, he “must” not. What would be the point of trading RNH and re-opening that gaping wound at centre just to fill (part of) the hole on defence. We’re back to playing whack-a-mole.
    I agree that yes you have to shop and shop aggressively, but if you’re going to trade, trade from depth. And that’s on the wing.
    *********************************************************

    Agree – but one step farther – this team is MILES away from a vaunted 3 – 1 for a stud D.

    What will that do?

    Massive hole at 2C – and lots of holes on D – goaltending?

    Said this for a while – this team – especially picking 3rd or in the area – REQUIRES two more drafts in order to fill in the NUMEROUS holes in the roster.

    We are in no position to trade quantity for quality. We are short on quality players. Period.

    I think the Islanders are about to earn Ekblad. So now we have to take Sam Bennett.

    6 foot centre – 45 points in 31 games with Kingston.

  34. FastOil says:

    If MacT gets Erhoff, I will have to explain to explain to my kids why my forehead is always swollen and bruised.

    Erhoff is more of exactly what the team has (that doesn’t work) and older. His calling card is chaos. At some point the defensemen have to defend. A player has to be good at his position’s primary directive first, extras are a bonus.

    Defense that can’t maintain coverage or retrieve the puck only help by having massive offense and the team being able to shelter them.

  35. G Money says:

    gcw_rocks:
    G Money,

    The problem with the Paajarvi trade wasn’t the trade itself.The problem people had with it was MacT never filled the hole he created at 3LW when he used MPS to fill the hole at 2LW.If he had made the trade and then signed Mason Raymond or Brendan Morrow to fill MPS’s role, then giddy up.But to fill one hole be creating another is like moving around deck chairs on the Titanic.

    True and not true. When I say we overvalue our players, slotting Pajaarvi in at 3LW as a sure thing is such an action … we do have Smyth, and MacT did sign Joensuu to try to fill that gap. Neither did the trick (Smyth better than thought) but really, we don’t know that Pajaarvi would have either. On the other hand, there can be no argument that Perron has been a huge win for the team at winger.

    No argument on the Raymond thing, though. Since the day those guys hit free agency, I must have posted thirty times agitating for Raymond at 3L and Lapierre at 4C to be signed. Apparently, MacT does not listen to me, and I am deeply hurt by this.

    Ironic that a much better much deeper team in St Louis could find a use for Lapierre and we couldn’t, while Raymond with his 10g and 24pts would sit 5th on the team in points and 4th on this team in goals (though of course, there’s no guarantee he would have put up those numbers with the Oil).

    (Also – to reference a previous thread that swung between blind support and blind criticism of MacT, this post captures some of both the good and the bad of the MacT era. It is possible to think he’s done both, it is not a “he’s either great or he stinks” choice).

  36. nycoil says:

    I keep seeing McDonagh’s name thrown out here as a candidate. It’s a pipe dream. He’s a legitimate top pairing D-man on a bargain contract. He would cost RNH+ to pry from Slats’ bony grasp. It’s not happening. Girardi, Del Zotto? Probably obtainable for a not-too-prohibitive cost. McDonagh? No chance.

    As for the Hamonic suggestion, it seems to me the Isles need help on the blue and in goal. I still wonder if we couldn’t have shopped Smid to Snow and gotten a better return than Brossoit. They went for it with Vanek, and have had their own debacle in net and on the blue line. The Flyers may regret the Streit contract in 2 years, but right now the Isles regret not matching.

  37. TheOtherJohn says:

    G Money:
    - The idea that anyone is untouchable in a trade is a bad line in the sand to draw.It’s a matter of what you get back.If you could trade Taylor Hall for Stamkos, wouldn’t you?

    - As fans, we tend to overvalue our players in trade scenarios.There were quite a few posters on this blog lamenting the loss of Pajaarvi.Anyone lamenting that trade now?

    - That said, you don’t build an elite team by stinking for a long time, collecting elite players through #1 picks, then trade those elite players for mid-pack players.Like for like, elite for elite, or you don’t do the trade.The core elite players for this team are: Hall, RNH, Eberle, Yak, Jultz.The elite prospects at this time are: Nurse, Klefbom.Anyone else you trade in a heartbeat if it improves the team.

    - There are a number of players who should have a legit place on an elite team – though in some cases, that requires playing farther down the lineup. On that list I would place Petry, Perron, Gordon, Arco.Gagner is not on that list – though I think more highly of him than many (and I believe he will find his game yet), I like a lineup with RNH 1C, Gordon 3C, and Arco 4C.Gagner would do great as a 2C on a team with big physical wingers. We have elite skill but not much physicality at wing, so we need a different player type than Gagner at 2C.Hemsky is not on the list because unfortunately, it is clear we are still a few years of team building away from competing, and that takes us out of Hemsky’s window.

    - So the extended core of this team consists of 1L-C-R, 2L/2R, 3C, 4C, 3D and 4D, plus prospects at 2D and 5D.Look at all those holes. Is it any wonder we complain that this team lacks defense and depth (and I didn’t even mention goaltending)?

    Agree with just about all you say. Do not make a trade to make a trade. Make a trade to improve your team or don’t do it

    Conventional wisdom you build in goal, defense and centre. Oilers draft wingers. . Not sure we have a 4D more like a 5-6D

    You can’t make this shit up

  38. DBO says:

    Yep, it hurts. I am also a long suffering Cowboys fan (really, up with a few minutes left and you are throwing. Fire the coach, shoot the QB), but at least the boys are relevant, sort of, every year. The Oil have actually only been relevant once a year when they do the lottery for 1st pick.

    An organization can switch the talent around, can change coaches. But institutionally organizations live and die by leadership. The nepotism, huge lack of accountability and amazing amount of arrogance, has crippled this team. MacT may be smarter then me, but he is part of the problem, not the solution. Lowe is the big one, so are the pro scouts, hell even the magnificent bastard should be up for review. Cut away the rot or everything dies.

    Yakupov is the easy one to sacrifice. At this point so is Gagner since he is part of the Lowe downfall. Those two still have some value, and can address our lack of balance and grit. Sorry, but no way we get a true #1 D right now. And no way we get full value for these players. But it has to happen. it has to be done.

    Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result = insanity. Sacrifice a star or two. This blog often preaches advanced stats (which is awesome), but “culture” and “character” can’t be measured. One thing that can be is size. And knowing where to go on your own side of centre.

    Trade an Ace (Yak) and a Jack (Gagner) for a bunch of 9′s and 10′s. get rid of your 4′s and 5′s. For frick’s sake balance your damn roster.

    i need a drink. Thankfully I am in Newfoundland, so it is 1:30 pm, so clearly it is appropriate to start now.

  39. denny33 says:

    Just a Reminder to all Potential Trades:

    If the reports are true – Craig McTavish has been told at least one Gm – DO NOT call me if you are not willing to talk about your # 1′s or Eberle.

    That same line should be made a rule in here.

    Nobody wants our chaff…..nobody.

    At best, N. Schultz for a 2nd round pick at the deadline.

    Further – I honestly don’t feel there are any top 1st pair Stud D available. Period.

    Mid 30′s Erhoff with 2 goals this year is not a 1st D stud in my books.

  40. Clay says:

    So LT, is the double entendre of the title of this piece combined with the team’s only Muslim intended? That’s risqué!

    My two cents – I think the only two guys who are close to untouchable are Hall and RNH. Hall is a PPG player on 1.5 legs – he will be this generation’s Iginla, with maybe a little less punch but more speed. RNH is untouchable only because very soon he will be an upper echelon NHL center, and they’re almost as hard to aquire as a top pairing dman.

    That said, I can’t imagine how a case can be made for calling anyone on this team untouchable. I get it – they’re our players and we love them and I’d be pissed to see Eberle go. He’s damn near a Canadian institution at 23 years old. But seriously, this is arguably the worst team in the NHL over the past 7+ years. How can anyone be untradeable?

    Like G Money (and others – sorry haven’t had the time to read through all comments – trying to study for finals) said above, if the price is right, anyone on this team should be available. That includes calling up whomever ends up with the 1st overall in 2015 (assuming maybe wrongly that it isn’t the Oilers!) and saying “name your price”.

  41. fuzzy muppet says:

    DBO,

    It still boggles the mind how Jason Garrett keeps his job.

    The team mirrors these Oilers in a lot of ways. Lots of skill players that are top of the line but not enough guys willing to do the dirty work. I’ve never seen a team lack heart like the Dallas Cowboys. THey should have easily won the division but they can’t get out their own way. When was the last time you saw them actually blow a team out? They constantly play down to their opponents level.

    Romo is Dubnyk. He’s likely good enough but his mistakes come at in-opportune times and are amplified while the real issues(defense) are miles from being fixed.

    Poor Romo. He’s truly one of the most tragic figures in sports history.

  42. russ99 says:

    Out of the core 5 kids, Eberle is obviously the one to move.

    He’s arguably the closest to his ceiling, he’s got a contract that’s just barely justifiable, and he’s got proven NHL numbers to back up his talent.

    Trading either Yak or J Schultz now would be selling way, way too low, and their lack of improvement numbers-wise will reduce the amount that both will sign for in the offseason.

    The only reason you don’t do that is to keep him and Hall together, and IMO, that’s not something that should come into play when making business decisions.

    Sadly, we’d probably need to package Eberle, our 1st pick and either Marincin or Klefbom to get into the amount of value required to land a true #1 defenseman.

  43. hoser313 says:

    denny33:

    Further – I honestly don’t feel there are any top 1st pair Stud D available. Period.

    All you can do is wait for opportunities. Kulikov a HS in FLA (OK, he’s not 1D but he would help). Management mayhem in BUF. Burke’s eternal quest for truculence. Surely STL will have cap issues one of these years.

    Maybe if Tortorella yells at Hamhuis a few more times this year, you can swing a good skilled forward plus other pieces for Hamhuis. The Canucks after all have needed secondary scoring for about 10 years.

    Buy low, sell high. Trading a guy with a broken jaw is not selling high.

    My other thought today is that yes management has underperformed over the last 8 years but I’d still rather cheer for this team than the team whose ownership mandates “the team be competitive every year” and then ends up losing Iginla, Boumeester and Kiprasoff for very little in return. The Burke years will be entertaining.

  44. Hammers says:

    Straight to comments without reading other thoughts . Agree 100% with you LT .The worse thing they can do is to keep playing there current “D” 1 pairing up . Actually there all decent but look bad at times due to what this team expects of them . That top “D” you and all of us ask for slides Ference & the rest down 1 spot to where they should be . As for giving up I can’t do that after supporting this team since inception and before that the Edmonton Flyers .

  45. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Happen to be back in Victoria with the wife for the days of holy for a time. Managed to see a very Victoria event last night, a contemporary choir doing modern songs at the absurdly large First Church of Christ, Scientist:

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_gPn1jPj3mjI/SmCOZOVNA0I/AAAAAAAACx4/3mXLPSzDyz0/s1600-h/DSC04515+First+Church+of+Christ+Scientist.jpg

    Grew up in this town and never managed to step inside this imposing building. I doubt more than 400 Christian Scientists have ever lived in Victoria. At any rate, quite a building.

    Mary Baker Eddy and the entire Christian Science movement is pretty interesting by late 19th century Christian offshoot standards. They scoot right past the fashionable millennialism of the day (which LT and other people who’ve traveled with Charles Taze Russell can tell you are a compelling bunch) and hop on board with numerous late 19th century versions of new age science and health ideas.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Science

    One core tenet would appear to be the belief in efficacious prayer, indeed to the exclusion of other forms of medicine.

    In the Church, I happened upon a copy of their Journal, which was filled with testimonials about healings from minor and major ailments and injuries. One in particular was an account of someone who stumbled on some decorative marble (no foolin!) and injured her leg.

    Rather than seek medical aid, this devotee prayed and, of course, was healed. She noted that she was made “perfect” and her ailments were merely “illusions.” Prayer was used to overcome these illusions and restore her perfection.

    It strikes me that an interesting interpretation of the Oilers could follow this line of thought… everything’s cool! no need to make a change or intervene in some manner… but we should all pray for the restoration of the apparently latent perfection within the Oilers!

  46. LMHF#1 says:

    I’ve asked this before: how much does Justin Schultz and this year’s first get you? Wouldn’t that suffice to grab a #1 Dman?

  47. Andy P says:

    Beware the tyranny of the urgent. Please let’s not trade tomorrow’s cup run talent for help in a lost season.

    Just sayin’

  48. Thinker says:

    I disagree with most of you here; it’s not the time for trading. The time to trade is once we are good enough to make the playoffs, but need fix one flaw to be a contender. If we make a trade from any position but RW right now, we create a hole that is just as big as the one we started with. The best strategy I see is going big game hunting in the spring. Shoot for a top pairing dman and a number 3. Who knows how much it will cost, but it’s better than mortgaging the future to overpay a few years down the road. I would also pick up another LW with defensive ability comparable to gordon, or find one who pushes perron into that role.
    If we were to make a trade, gagner should be the asset moved, as we can replace him at the draft, assuming we aren’t in ekblad territory. Perron would also be the guy I trade because his value is at an all time high right now. I would miss his work ethic, but if he is ever on pace for 25 goals again I would be surprised.

  49. G Money says:

    LMHF#1:
    I’ve asked this before: how much does Justin Schultz and this year’s first get you? Wouldn’t that suffice to grab a #1 Dman?

    So here’s my tentative (off the top of my head so probably missed someone) list of 1D out there … I’m not disagreeing with you, just asking the more specific question, which is, which of those teams would be willing to trade that player for Jultz and the #1 pick?

    Suter – Minn
    Karlsson – Sens
    Weber – Preds
    Doughty – Kings
    Pietrangelo – Blues
    Chara – Bruins
    Subban – Habs
    OEL – Yotes
    Keith – Hawks*
    Fowler – Ducks*

    * Probably the 1D on their teams, but not necessarily a dominating 1D in the sense of the word talked about here

    Who would be possible trade bait? Would Jultz+#1 get any of those players?

    (I’m inclined to say no, but maybe if you also threw in a prospect like Marincin you could get a Keith or a Fowler. Or Weber as a salary dump.)

    Just goes to show how bloody hard it is to trade for these guys.

  50. LMHF#1 says:

    G Money: So here’s my tentative (off the top of my head so probably missed someone) list of 1D out there …

    I’m guessing you could actually get Byfuglien for less and he’s certainly a #1.

    I’m not sure that package gets you Ekman-Larsson or Subban, but it might if the pick is high.

    Is John Carlson a guy bordering on being a #1?

    Looking at the list of guys who log big minutes, my target would be Byfuglien. Seems like the only attainable player as I can’t see Karlsson or Chara types no matter what is offered.

  51. Andy P says:

    IIRC MacT is not interested in trading a core of 8 or 9 players, and has the cap space to go whale hunting in the UFA market.

    So there’s the skill of a competent GM, building a team rather than playing whack-a-mole.

  52. Hammers says:

    Face it none of the top “D” on any of the other 29 teams will be available . GM’s are not stupid (forgot Tambo ) . We need to trade for a defencemen who is better than any we have , hopefully 28-29 years old . That list should be aproximately 45 -50 players . If you don’t agree go and look at the bottom 6 teams right now and all of them have a better #1 than us includes Calgary , Buffalo , Florida, NYI , and on . What our scouts & GM need to do is pick players out of that 45-50 group and try to get 2 of them . Pick the up and comers and you may get 1 for Hemsky and a #1 or Gags & Klefbom . You should definitely get 1 of that group for Yak or Ebs . I would try for a 2 for 1 but if it is Yak or Ebs sign Hemsky to an extension .Tough job but that’s what goes with the territory .

  53. Caramel Obvious says:

    LMHF#1: I’m guessing you could actually get Byfuglien for less and he’s certainly a #1.

    I’m not sure that package gets you Ekman-Larsson or Subban, but it might if the pick is high.

    Is John Carlson a guy bordering on being a #1?

    Looking at the list of guys who log big minutes, my target would be Byfuglien. Seems like the only attainable player as I can’t see Karlsson or Chara types no matter what is offered.

    I agree with this completely. The only way to do this is by getting a guy before he goes supernova (Subban two years ago) or someone who for whatever reason isn’t appreciated (Byfuglien).

    There is no obvious Subban-two-years-ago candidate so that leaves guys like Byfuglien, and he’s the only one who really fits that category.

  54. OilClog says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Happen to be back in Victoria with the wife for the days of holy for a time. Managed to see a very Victoria event last night, a contemporary choir doing modern songs at the absurdly large First Church of Christ, Scientist:

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_gPn1jPj3mjI/SmCOZOVNA0I/AAAAAAAACx4/3mXLPSzDyz0/s1600-h/DSC04515+First+Church+of+Christ+Scientist.jpg

    Grew up in this town and never managed to step inside this imposing building. I doubt more than 400 Christian Scientists have ever lived in Victoria. At any rate, quite a building.

    Mary Baker Eddy and the entire Christian Science movement is pretty interesting by late 19th century Christian offshoot standards. They scoot right past the fashionable millennialism of the day (which LT and other people who’ve traveled with Charles Taze Russell can tell you are a compelling bunch) and hop on board with numerous late 19th century versions of new age science and health ideas.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Science

    One core tenet would appear to be the belief in efficacious prayer, indeed to the exclusion of other forms of medicine.

    In the Church, I happened upon a copy of their Journal, which was filled with testimonials about healings from minor and major ailments and injuries. One in particular was an account of someone who stumbled on some decorative marble (no foolin!) and injured her leg.

    Rather than seek medical aid, this devotee prayed and, of course, was healed. She noted that she was made “perfect” and her ailments were merely “illusions.” Prayer was used to overcome these illusions and restore her perfection.

    It strikes me that an interesting interpretation of the Oilers could follow this line of thought… everything’s cool! no need to make a change or intervene in some manner… but we should all pray for the restoration of the apparently latent perfection within the Oilers!

    I drive by this building 3 times a day.. I’ve never seen a person go inside or come out.. It’s scary and creepy.

  55. OilClog says:

    The Oilers need two towering imposing defenders. Not just one, but two. Petry, Jultz, and Larsen can’t be part of the same cluster too much of the same.

  56. FastOil says:

    Without question the team needs more better players. Raymond, nice skill, skinny as a rail and wimpy. How does he help?

    The Oilers are not offensively challenged. They are defensively and physically challenged. They need players that have balls and are mature enough to have the discipline to do the dirty work game in and game out. As LT says, hair on their asses.

    The Oilers are missing Stan Weir and Gator, not Anderson and Coffey. Not grunts or thugs, but capable tough defense first players. They don’t need to score a lot so they don’t have to cost the moon. They just need to have no room for crap from macrame touque wearing fake tough guys from the coast.

    Everyone should remember as well the landscape has changed with Tortorella and Burke moving into the neighbourhood. We know the game plan to play our more skilled Oilers is and will be intimidation, and it is working. The Oilers need to become a tougher more abrasive team.

    Campbell, Erhoff, Raymond, Wellwood ;) are deck chairs moving. I still say they should have made Tulipov a 4 RW.

    More Perrons, more (better skating) Belovs.

  57. G Money says:

    LMHF#1,

    Yeah, I took a look at the ‘big minutes’ list but I left out a number of names, Byfuglien and also guys like Campbell, Hamonic, Bouwmeester, Ehrhoff. The reason I left them off is that in my head, a 1D buys you 25 mins or so a game of the puck moving in the right direction. The teams those guys play for are not particularly good defensively, which in my books makes those guys “THE” 1D but not “A” 1D if you see what I mean.

    Most of them, Ehrhoff included, would make for a substantial improvement on the Oiler D corps without a doubt, but then you have to ask yourself – if they’re not a true 1D in the mold of say a Weber, how much of an improvement will it be? And is that improvement worth giving up both Jultz (who for all his critics is nowhere near his defensive ceiling yet) and a potential game breaker in the first round pick (which could easily be a top 3 pick)?

    The complicating factor is that some of these “other” guys could really be a true 1D on a deep D corps, and they look bad because they’re being asked to do way too much (a familiar refrain to Oiler fans). But I think the fancy stats suggest that Ehrhoff potentially also has that ceiling, which is why he’s such an intriguing name.

  58. LMHF#1 says:

    OilClog:
    The Oilers need two towering imposing defenders. Not just one, but two. Petry, Jultz, and Larsen can’t be part of the same cluster too much of the same.

    Don’t see Larsen kicking around for long. Just not good enough.

    Nurse, Marincin and to a lesser extent Gernat are in the pipeline. Nurse already plays the game you’re speaking of and he’s not even filled out yet. Make no mistake – Marincin’s play in the corners even this early in his development made a difference.

    Getting a middling, larger defenceman who plays hard in the corners and can move the puck isn’t actually that difficult. The Oilers just make it look that way.

  59. ohhell says:

    As long as Ekblad is in reach, you don’t trade the #1. This team can go along ways on Ekblad, Nurse, Pertry and Jultz. What we need are the best bridge D-Men we can find for the next three years and focus on building the rest of the core.

    Improve the bottom six. Move some of the top-six out in favour of players who can play a more physical, puck retrieving and defensive game. Find balance with the forwards and settle the goaltending.

    The team has a few more years of incremental building before it can compete for playoffs and battle the big western conference teams. There is simply no hurry in vastly overpaying for the big dman if we are going to create new holes to complement our current swiss cheese look.

    As much as I hate it, we need patience for a few more years (and an Ekblad). Yes I said it, the P word. The truth is MacT inherited a POS and has much work to do to stabilize this franchise.

  60. LMHF#1 says:

    ohhell:
    As long as Ekblad is in reach, you don’t trade the #1.This team can go along ways on Ekblad, Nurse, Pertry and Jultz.What we need are the best bridge D-Men we can find for the next three years and focus on building the rest of the core.

    As much as I hate it, we need patience for a few more years (and an Ekblad).Yes I said it, the P word.The truth is MacT inherited a POS and has much work to do to stabilize this franchise.

    The window is already closed if you wait this long.

  61. Woodguy says:

    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 49s
    Ales Hemsky says his ribs are feeling much better today, should be ready for tomorrow vs. #LAKings. Last night more precautionary.

  62. TheOtherJohn says:

    Woodguy:
    Edmonton Oilers ‏@EdmontonOilers 49s
    Ales Hemsky says his ribs are feeling much better today, should be ready for tomorrow vs. #LAKings. Last night more precautionary.

    Kesler is a complete and utter Dbag but he would be an exceptionally good 2C on a team that wanted to compete for the Stanley Cup. And Vancouver’s window is, I believe, past

  63. theres oil in virginia says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Happen to be back in Victoria with the wife for the days of holy for a time. Managed to see a very Victoria event last night, a contemporary choir doing modern songs at the absurdly large First Church of Christ, Scientist:

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_gPn1jPj3mjI/SmCOZOVNA0I/AAAAAAAACx4/3mXLPSzDyz0/s1600-h/DSC04515+First+Church+of+Christ+Scientist.jpg

    Grew up in this town and never managed to step inside this imposing building. I doubt more than 400 Christian Scientists have ever lived in Victoria. At any rate, quite a building.

    Mary Baker Eddy and the entire Christian Science movement is pretty interesting by late 19th century Christian offshoot standards. They scoot right past the fashionable millennialism of the day (which LT and other people who’ve traveled with Charles Taze Russell can tell you are a compelling bunch) and hop on board with numerous late 19th century versions of new age science and health ideas.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Science

    One core tenet would appear to be the belief in efficacious prayer, indeed to the exclusion of other forms of medicine.

    In the Church, I happened upon a copy of their Journal, which was filled with testimonials about healings from minor and major ailments and injuries. One in particular was an account of someone who stumbled on some decorative marble (no foolin!) and injured her leg.

    Rather than seek medical aid, this devotee prayed and, of course, was healed. She noted that she was made “perfect” and her ailments were merely “illusions.” Prayer was used to overcome these illusions and restore her perfection.

    It strikes me that an interesting interpretation of the Oilers could follow this line of thought… everything’s cool! no need to make a change or intervene in some manner… but we should all pray for the restoration of the apparently latent perfection within the Oilers!

    Very interesting. Thanks for posting this.

  64. G Money says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: It strikes me that an interesting interpretation of the Oilers could follow this line of thought… everything’s cool! no need to make a change or intervene in some manner… but we should all pray for the restoration of the apparently latent perfection within the Oilers!

    So what you’re saying is … Tambo was a Christian Scientist?

    I guess that makes sense, he was certainly not the poster boy for evolution!

  65. ohhell says:

    LMHF#1: The window is already closed if you wait this long.

    Bringing in a #1 won’t solve the problem. There are too many other problems to solve. Creating holes to fill holes may only prolong the suckage. The only position of strength this team has to deal from is RW. A top D-Man may cost you Eberle, a functional D-Man and the #1 to start. So now you have your cornerstone D-Man, but you lost Eberle, the rest of your d-core is still sub-par and you have no chips left to strengthen the rest of the batting order.

    So you become the Blue Jays with Halladay and not enough parts to make a run while you have him. The time it will take to sort out the rest of the roster with no trading chips may cost you more time that drafting and developing Ekblad/Nurse, filling d-holes and using chips like Eberle to fill out the rest of the roster.

    I don’t like waiting any more than the next person, but it seems like the prudent course to me.

  66. Logan91 says:

    TheOtherJohn: Kesler is a complete and utter Dbag but he would be an exceptionally good 2C on a team that wanted to compete for the Stanley Cup. And Vancouver’s window is, I believe, past

    He is a D bag, but that was a nice hit. Even Sedin had a nice hit on Nuge. Pretty funny when you see a Sedin taking a run at a younger smaller player, these teams know they can do whatever they want because no one on the Oilers will do anything about it.

    Just like Lovejoy last night, taking a run at Hall every chance he got. It’s kind of embarrassing for the Oilers actually.

  67. DBO says:

    A true #1 will not happen. But we can upgrade. forever it seems we have not upgraded when available. Why? no idea. Maybe they wanted to give the kids a chance (getting old by now). Erhoff would be our #1 D. Period. Get him if you can. I expect our #1 pick would do it for sure, although that pick now has way more currency as we continue to suck. So a 2nd and Marincin maybe? Sabres want to shed payroll, and losing his deal is smart for a team years away. Are we years away? Maybe, but we gotta try for next year right> RIGHT?>?”?>?

    Nurse > Klefbom = Klefbom can be moved
    Eberle >Yak? Yak > Eberle? Whichever you like better move the other, and sign Hemsky at a discount.
    1st rd pick has huge value. Possible lottery pick.
    Gagner is still young and on a team with a two way centre with grit and size in top 6, he is not as much of a liability.

    That is 3 huge pieces you can move. If you can’t turn that into balance, and needs addressed then MacT should step down.

  68. G Money says:

    Caramel Obvious: The only way to do this is by getting a guy before he goes supernova (Subban two years ago)

    How about trading Jultz and the #1 pick to Nashville for Seth Jones?

    Think they’d go for it?

    If Jones lives up to his billing (and it looks like he might), no way the Preds can pay both Weber and Jones. Conversely, if there’s one guy who can manage and focus the offensive brilliance and defensive chaos that is Jultz, it is likely Weber. Throw in the #1 pick and it might make complete sense for Nashville.

    And a few years down the road, picture Jones and Nurse as the top pairing for the Oilers …

  69. OilClog says:

    I think the team would do great if we brought back Marchment, Manson, Mironov, and Richardson.. No one is beating that core down. Might even out the age on the Oilers too!

  70. FastOil says:

    Logan91: He is a D bag, but that was a nice hit. Even Sedin had a nice hit on Nuge. Pretty funny when you see a Sedin taking a run at a younger smaller player, these teams know they can do whatever they want because no one on the Oilers will do anything about it.

    Just like Lovejoy last night, taking a run at Hall every chance he got. It’s kind of embarrassing for the Oilers actually.

    Hall needs to fight and beat somebody, look handy with the mitts. Comparison to Iginla was mentioned, that would be a major difference.

  71. Caramel Obvious says:

    G Money: How about trading Jultz and the #1 pick to Nashville for Seth Jones?

    Think they’d go for it?

    If Jones lives up to his billing (and it looks like he might), no way the Preds can pay both Weber and Jones.Conversely, if there’s one guy who can manage and focus the offensive brilliance and defensive chaos that is Jultz, it is likely Weber.Throw in the #1 pick and it might make complete sense for Nashville.

    And a few years down the road, picture Jones and Nurse as the top pairing for the Oilers …

    I don’t think they’d do it. He still has the new car smell. You have to get a guy after the new car smell has worn off but before he’s acknowledged as a vintage classic. Subban definitely had that smell for a while, Karlsson might have had it, Ekman-Larsen maybe too. The only guy that might fit that right now is Hedman in TB, though that team is playing well and they probably think highly of him.

    Basically what I’m thinking is imagine the price you have to pay for a Weber type and that’s what you’ll have to pay for a Hedman type. Would it be worth it? I don’t know. But I think the price is higher than #1 + J. Schultz.

  72. Gerta Rauss says:

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=439139

    Potter will have a telephone hearing later today with Shanahan.

    I thought it was a penalty but I didn’t think the hit was worthy of further discipline-we’ll see.

  73. G Money says:

    Caramel Obvious: He still has the new car smell. You have to get a guy after the new car smell has worn off but before he’s acknowledged as a vintage classic

    To carry your analogy way farther than it was ever intended to go – I propose because the reason you might be able to get the guy while he still is new is that Nashville is hard up for cash and knows it won’t be able to afford the insurance and maintenance on both Jones the fancy new Ferrari and Weber the vintage Monster Truck.

    Meanwhile, Jultz the german sports car would be an awfully nice and affordable complement to the Monster Truck, and that first rounder is a winning Cash for Cars lottery ticket that might turn out to be another Ferrari, or Monster Truck, or at worst, another nice german sports car.

    Or to put it back in hockey terms – the only way you get a 1D by trade without giving up the farm is either from a team earlier in its rebuild a la Ehrhoff, or in a salary dump a la Weber/Jones.

  74. spoiler says:

    Young potential stud defensemen that may be under-valued or are on teams that desperately need young scoring help (in no particular order):

    Jonas Brodin MIN
    Adam Larsson NJD
    Ryan Murray CBJ
    Dmitri Orlov WAS
    Hampus Lindholm ANA
    Roman Josi NAS
    Cody Ceci OTT
    Connor Murphy PHO
    David Rundblad PHO
    Olli Maatta PIT
    Jacob Trouba WIN

    Based on MacT’s comments about wanting an up and comer as opposed to someone already getting a payday, I think his list would look somewhat similar to the above.

  75. PaperDesigner says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Happen to be back in Victoria with the wife for the days of holy for a time. Managed to see a very Victoria event last night, a contemporary choir doing modern songs at the absurdly large First Church of Christ, Scientist:

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_gPn1jPj3mjI/SmCOZOVNA0I/AAAAAAAACx4/3mXLPSzDyz0/s1600-h/DSC04515+First+Church+of+Christ+Scientist.jpg

    Grew up in this town and never managed to step inside this imposing building. I doubt more than 400 Christian Scientists have ever lived in Victoria. At any rate, quite a building.

    Mary Baker Eddy and the entire Christian Science movement is pretty interesting by late 19th century Christian offshoot standards. They scoot right past the fashionable millennialism of the day (which LT and other people who’ve traveled with Charles Taze Russell can tell you are a compelling bunch) and hop on board with numerous late 19th century versions of new age science and health ideas.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Science

    One core tenet would appear to be the belief in efficacious prayer, indeed to the exclusion of other forms of medicine.

    In the Church, I happened upon a copy of their Journal, which was filled with testimonials about healings from minor and major ailments and injuries. One in particular was an account of someone who stumbled on some decorative marble (no foolin!) and injured her leg.

    Rather than seek medical aid, this devotee prayed and, of course, was healed. She noted that she was made “perfect” and her ailments were merely “illusions.” Prayer was used to overcome these illusions and restore her perfection.

    It strikes me that an interesting interpretation of the Oilers could follow this line of thought… everything’s cool! no need to make a change or intervene in some manner… but we should all pray for the restoration of the apparently latent perfection within the Oilers!

    Given that the mantra among Oilers fans has become “we have the wrong mix”, I think finding the Oilers “inner perfection” would be a tough sell. Although it would be amusing to tell fans that they must “embrace the inherent perfection of their Inner Smurf Forward”.

  76. PaperDesigner says:

    G Money: So what you’re saying is … Tambo was a Christian Scientist?

    I guess that makes sense, he was certainly not the poster boy for evolution!

    Or perhaps he was! One change every millenia or so.

  77. rickithebear says:

    From 2000 to 2007 t Chicago blackhawks drafts yielded (picks or trades)
    by earliest picks down;
    Versteeg, Ladd, Kieth, Sharp, Burish, Seabrook, Crawford, Byfuglien, Bolland,
    Bickell, Brouwer, Hjarlmasson.Toews, Kane
    14 players in 8 years.
    3 – top3 dmen
    5 top6 forwards.
    4 3rd line forwrds
    1 #1 goalie.

    From 2000 to 2007 oilers draft gave us
    Hemsky, Dubnyk, Petry, Gagner
    2 ufa’s next year and a top 6 forward and top 4 RFA Dman
    Help!
    .
    2008
    Eberle top 10 winger in league
    Penner (tuebert, klefbom, Zharkov)
    2009
    MP (perron top 15 winger)
    Lander
    2010
    Hall top 5 winger in league
    Pitlick
    Marincin
    2011
    RNH top 3 forward
    Musil
    Gernat
    2012
    Yakupov
    Moroz 6’3″ 225lb winger with projected even NHLE of 17G 10A
    Khaira
    2013
    Nurse
    yakimov
    Shlepyshev
    Chase

    Our 2007 is Chicago’s 2000 They won a cup 10 years after 2000 draft
    which would make the 15-16 or 16-17 season a match for chicago’s build.

    Of coarse we cannot forget that CHI signed
    Hossa, Campbell, Madden, Kopecky, Niemi the year before the cup.

  78. fifthcartel says:

    http://t.co/44bvcIaQzQ

    Looks like Nurse could be moved to Erie and play with future Oiler Connor McDavid.

  79. PaperDesigner says:

    spoiler:
    Young potential stud defensemen that may be under-valued or are on teams that desperately need young scoring help (in no particular order):

    Jonas Brodin MIN
    Adam Larsson NJD
    Ryan Murray CBJ
    Dmitri Orlov WAS
    Hampus Lindholm ANA
    Roman Josi NAS
    Cody Ceci OTT
    Connor Murphy PHO
    David Rundblad PHO
    Olli Maatta PIT
    Jacob Trouba WIN

    Based on MacT’s comments about wanting an up and comer as opposed to someone already getting a payday, I think his list would look somewhat similar to the above.

    Would Eberle for Larsson fly?

  80. OilClog says:

    spoiler:
    Young potential stud defensemen that may be under-valued or are on teams that desperately need young scoring help (in no particular order):

    Jonas Brodin MIN
    Adam Larsson NJD
    Ryan Murray CBJ
    Dmitri Orlov WAS
    Hampus Lindholm ANA
    Roman Josi NAS
    Cody Ceci OTT
    Connor Murphy PHO
    David Rundblad PHO
    Olli Maatta PIT
    Jacob Trouba WIN

    Based on MacT’s comments about wanting an up and comer as opposed to someone already getting a payday, I think his list would look somewhat similar to the above.

    One problem, 3-4 years until these guys can make a #1 D-man difference out there.. So they’re all magic beans.

  81. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    PaperDesigner: Would Eberle for Larsson fly?

    I think that’s an overpay. Larsson, we’ve heard tell, is struggling to find his groove over there and while not quite in Myers-like trouble is on shaky ground.

    ———-
    One idea though I’ve been mulling over more and more is twofold:

    1. how rare big names (esp. D) get traded. they certainly do, but it’s not exactly common
    2. how rarely big names get traded in “hockey trades” i.e., in exchange for other NHL players of equivalent value… typically these players move for LT’s 3-1

    This doesn’t mean that we are bound to some tradition here… but that we shouldn’t be surprised when MacT lands a decent D it comes at the expense of picks, prospects, minor players packaged or via $$$ on the UFA market.

  82. Bulging Twine says:

    In response to the article all I say is, yep.

  83. slopitch says:

    Rom: I agree. To bad the cap is moving up so much this year. The opportunity to make this trade was more likely last year where teams needed to get to the cap. The Oilers will have to find teams facing internal cap limits IMO to make this kind of trade. This would obvioulsy be ideal compared to moving one of the skilled kids.

  84. Bulging Twine says:

    …and great writing

  85. Bulging Twine says:

    I’ve been watching the Bruins, “Behind the B” episodes. They are pretty Interesting. One thing I noticed right away is how much more muscular and weighty the Bruins are compared to the Oilers. Even little Krug is a built like a fire hydrant.

  86. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    OilClog: I drive by this building 3 times a day.. I’ve never seen a person go inside or come out.. It’s scary and creepy.

    It’s a very imposing building, but I wouldn’t describe it as creepy. And, my sense of Christian Scientists (admittedly very very limited) is that they veer toward the happy, hippy out-going type of devotee as opposed to the sullen, victim-narrative filled, withdrawn and secretive type.

    At any rate, if you have a chance to check it out — on a open doors day, or via a concert of some kind — I would recommend it. It’s pretty interesting and the acoustics in that dome are really marvellous.

    It’s true though, despite its massive size, it really is hard to imagine its congregation ever being terribly large.

  87. Bar_Qu says:

    spoiler:
    Young potential stud defensemen that may be under-valued or are on teams that desperately need young scoring help (in no particular order):

    Jonas Brodin MIN
    Adam Larsson NJD
    Ryan Murray CBJ
    Dmitri Orlov WAS
    Hampus Lindholm ANA
    Roman Josi NAS
    Cody Ceci OTT
    Connor Murphy PHO
    David Rundblad PHO
    Olli Maatta PIT
    Jacob Trouba WIN

    Based on MacT’s comments about wanting an up and comer as opposed to someone already getting a payday, I think his list would look somewhat similar to the above.

    That is a good list of young D. Any of those players are worth paying for to the tune of one of the Oil’s young stars (my preference is Jultz) and a prospect. Or if the Oil can rid that team of a heavy contract and buy them out this summer, that is a good plan too.

    Thanks for finding this.

  88. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    slopitch:
    Rom: I agree.To bad the cap is moving up so much this year.The opportunity to make this trade was more likely last year where teams needed to get to the cap.The Oilers will have to find teams facing internal cap limits IMO to make this kind of trade.This would obvioulsy be ideal compared to moving one of the skilled kids.

    I really wonder if Tambo tried to make a move on JBow. That trade looked great at the time (for the Blues) and continues to look good.

    And, as I’ve mentioned before… we should really try to keep the JBow market range (22nd OV and a couple of middling prospects) in mind as we consider MacT’s options. He’s going to have to pay more… but how much and for what?

    If he can get an Ehrhoff in that range… that’s a winner. If he pays more than his first rounder for an Ehrhoff (our first rounder is going to be worth a lot more than 22nd OV), we’ll know the market screwed us, or MacT overpaid wildly for need.

  89. Bulging Twine says:

    Old School G,

    Love Hamonic

  90. FastOil says:

    Bulging Twine:
    I’ve been watching the Bruins, “Behind the B” episodes.They are pretty Interesting.One thing I noticed right away is how much more muscular and weighty the Bruins are compared to the Oilers.Even little Krug is a built like a fire hydrant.

    Do you see this as ‘the Oilers are too small’ or ‘the Oilers don’t train hard enough off season’?

  91. Bulging Twine says:

    fifthcartel:
    http://t.co/44bvcIaQzQ

    Looks like Nurse could be moved to Erie and play with future Oiler Connor McDavid.

    Nurse is being booed?!

  92. Bulging Twine says:

    Someone named Sheldon Keefe has tweeted:

    “I’ve attended every game this season. Contrary to what I am reading, I’ve never heard a negative word about Darnell Nurse. Much less boos.”

  93. Bulging Twine says:

    and Sheldon Keefe would be Darnell Nurse’s Head Coach

  94. denny33 says:

    G Money,

    As an aside – did anyone know that Aaron Ekblad ( like Connor McDavid ) was given the extremely rare exceptional status to go to the OHL at 15?

    He is only 17 and invited to the World Juniors over Nurse

    Just so people get a sampling of what we may be talking about if we move our #1. pick.

  95. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bulging Twine: Nurse is being booed?!

    Seriously, what is that about?

    I haven’t heard anything all year about him struggling… but, then, all I get are the boxcars and Oiler reporting on his progress.

    Can someone confirm this “struggling” deal…

    Here’s a recent write-up that’s all positives:

    http://www.saultstar.com/2013/10/30/nurses-scoring-attempts-no-longer-a-long-shot—-ruicci-column

    Here’s a more recent write-up that alludes to struggling in a game:

    http://www.saultstar.com/2013/11/20/sloppy-d-leads-to-another-soo-loss

  96. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bulging Twine:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    http://t.co/44bvcIaQzQ

    Thanks. I should have been more clear.

    I read that article and was wondering if anyone else (besides the writer of the article) can confirm either struggling (and not in a single game mind you, but persistent as the article claims) and/or being booed by fans.

  97. Woodguy says:

    Eakins’ avail today is full of win.

    Basically his answers should warm the heart of every basement dwelling blogger in the Oilogoshpere:

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=512865&catid=4

    Says great things about Hemsky and talks about moving the puck when asked about getting hit.

    Great stuff.

    Watch to the end.

    Boy this team needs some D and better break outs in order to use its strengths (speed/skill)

  98. G Money says:

    denny33:
    G Money,

    As an aside – did anyone know that Aaron Ekblad ( like Connor McDavid ) was given the extremelyrare exceptional status to go to the OHL at 15?

    He is only 17 and invited to the World Juniors over Nurse

    Just so people get a sampling of what we may be talking about if we move our #1. pick.

    I didn’t know that, very interesting.

    No doubt, I think we need to take into account that the Oilers’ #1 pick next year will be a VERY high pick, and that has tremendous value. Any trade involving that pick needs to get good long-term value back

    You have to balance that with the fact that, no matter how accomplished a defenseman may be at the Jr level, the road to the NHL is especially difficult for them, and Ekblad being out of this world at 15 doesn’t guarantee stardom in the big leagues.

  99. Woodguy says:

    Holy shit.

    Ales Hemsky said about Reghr “I don’t think he hit me dirty, pretty honest player”

    Dammit!!!

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=512865&catid=4

  100. goldenchild says:

    Woodguy: Eakins’ avail today is full of win.Basically his answers should warm the heart of every basement dwelling blogger in the Oilogoshpere:http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=512865&catid=4Says great things about Hemsky and talks about moving the puck when asked about getting hit.Great stuff.Watch to the end.Boy this team needs some D and better break outs in order to use its strengths (speed/skill)

    This is the best, and certainly feels like if the coach has it his way, we would see a contract offer to Ales which would also be the best.

    Also love Hemmers answer to getting hit a lot ” well if want to play with the puck you’re gonna get hit, thats hockey. You just try to make a play and you know you’re gonna get hit.

    For the life of me I will never understand the Edmonton MSM’s disdain for this guy, “the Hemsky is soft, Hemsky doesnt care enough, Hemsky is the problem” narrative is so counter of everything he has ever shown it just makes no fucking sense. Great to see Eakins come out so strongly against that made up narrative.

  101. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy:
    Holy shit.

    Ales Hemsky said about Reghr “I don’t think he hit me dirty, pretty honest player”

    Dammit!!!

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=512865&catid=4

    He’s actually said that before too…

    Hemsky has never tried to wiggle out of his situation in this way… again much to the chagrin of those building false narratives around him.

    ———-
    Eakins’ presser is tough news for the Anti-Hemsky crowd who’ve been parroting this line lately:

    “notice Eakins hasn’t said we need more Hemskys in a while? Now that he’d been here for a while, he sees what a soft, enigmatic player he is”

    Hahaha… sad days for the Hemsky haters.

  102. TheOtherJohn says:

    Like Hemsky. Always have. Watched Kesler hit him and thought Beep I hope he didn’t separate both shoulders. Clean hit, too.

  103. spoiler says:

    PaperDesigner: Would Eberle for Larsson fly?

    Devs have no first round pick this year… I think that would be the starting point. Add a decent prospect defenseman…

  104. delooper says:

    Woodguy:
    Holy shit.
    Ales Hemsky said about Reghr “I don’t think he hit me dirty, pretty honest player”

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=512865&catid=4

    There was in interview with Hemsky last year, same question, same answer.

  105. Racki says:

    Not to go all “body language” on him (I hate when people do that), but Hemsky often sounds like he’s so pissed off when he’s doing interviews. Nothing against him though, and I’m not implying anything by it.. just an observation.

    Anyways, good on him for trying to get into the line up and play through the pain. He gets knocked for being soft, but I don’t really get how you can say that about a guy who rarely avoids physical contact (but probably should) and in a case like this, is willing to play through the pain. I’m not normally a “defender” of Hemsky, but I do respect a guy who typically goes head on into the physical battles despite being beaten up so badly in a lot of them.

  106. Mr DeBakey says:

    Racki: Hemsky often sounds like he’s so pissed off when he’s doing interviews

    This is partly why the media dudes gives Hemsky such a rough ride.
    He’s the anti-Ryan Whitney with the media.

    I heard the always eloquent Spec do a rant about this on fine lunch hour.

    Plus Hemsky is a Euro

  107. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Mr DeBakey: This is partly why the media dudes gives Hemsky such a rough ride.
    He’s the anti-Ryan Whitney with the media.

    Bingo!

    Hemsky violated the cardinal rule of sports media: Always Be Chummy With the Press.

  108. Racki says:

    In all honesty, if I were a player and the media were asking me dumb question after dumb question trying to lead me to saying what they want to hear, I’d probably be pissed off too. This is why I like Torts’ pressers so much. Sometimes someone has to put them in their place and make them think a little bit harder about what they ask, or consider if they really are going to get an answer for some of the questions they ask (specifically, ones that would put the team at a disadvantage in some way by having the league know something that should be more guarded). So yah, I don’t blame Hemsky for being annoyed if he was annoyed.

  109. LoDog says:

    spoiler: Devs have no first round pick this year… I think that would be the starting point. Add a decent prospect defenseman…

    I know Eberle doesn’t get a lot of love around here but how do you figure the starting point for a dman that has zero offense and hardly plays on the PK or PP is a forward who is once again on pace for about 70 points?

  110. denny33 says:

    G Money,

    I didn’t know that, very interesting.
    No doubt, I think we need to take into account that the Oilers’ #1 pick next year will be a VERY high pick, and that has tremendous value. Any trade involving that pick needs to get good long-term value back
    You have to balance that with the fact that, no matter how accomplished a defenseman may be at the Jr level, the road to the NHL is especially difficult for them, and Ekblad being out of this world at 15 doesn’t guarantee stardom in the big leagues.
    *******************************************************

    No question – no guarantees when selecting teenagers….and you can make a strong case that selecting defencemen especially is dicey so high.

    However, for the most part ( Weber, Keith round 2 ) – there is no mystery where #1 Dmen come from The top end of the draft.

    Chris Pronger – #2 overall
    Drew Doughty – #2 overall
    Ryan Suter – #7 overall
    Alex Pieterangelo # 4 overall

    More importantly – trading for an established – true #1 Defenceman will be very very Expensive.

    3 prime assets for 1 player.

    I guess I am contending – we are so talent poor – like the Panthers and Sabres – we cannot afford to pay that price.

    Aaron Ekblad ( just as an example ) could be had for FREE.

    And dare I say it – maybe one day this organization is able to find a player in round 2 of the NHL draft. Again, that would be Free.

  111. spoiler says:

    LoDog: I know Eberle doesn’t get a lot of love around here but how do you figure the starting point for a dman that has zero offense and hardly plays on the PK or PP is a forward who is once again on pace for about 70 points?

    I don’t. Hence my reply to Paper Designer.

  112. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Racki:
    In all honesty, if I were a player and the media were asking me dumb question after dumb question trying to lead me to saying what they want to hear, I’d probably be pissed off too. This is why I like Torts’ pressers so much. Sometimes someone has to put them in their place and make them think a little bit harder about what they ask, or consider if they really are going to get an answer for some of the questions they ask (specifically, ones that would put the team at a disadvantage in some way by having the league know something that should be more guarded). So yah, I don’t blame Hemsky for being annoyed if he was annoyed.

    Note, however, that standard aggressive male behavior is rarely at adds with a general homosocial chumminess. In fact, the two typically go hand-in-hand.

    Hemsky’s sin isn’t that he is pissed at the press, its that he is aloof and nearly indifferent to them.

    They’ve always interpreted this as being “indifferent to hockey”… because they fall prey to their own importance.

    Also, aloof isn’t good copy (I mean sure, a yearly “Damn that enigmatic, disinterested Hemsky” column is good copy, but it is of limited value)… rage is.

  113. FastOil says:

    G Money: I didn’t know that, very interesting.

    No doubt, I think we need to take into account that the Oilers’ #1 pick next year will be a VERY high pick, and that has tremendous value.Any trade involving that pick needs to get good long-term value back

    Ekblad being out of this world at 15 doesn’t guarantee stardom in the big leagues

    No but many of the busts are so hyped that glaring problems (like can’t skate or is big with 0 hockey IQ or both) and small sample sizes (like World Juniors) sway drafters.

    Ekblad is a full skill set player, huge, mobile, smart, and has been exceptional always. Everyone can bust but I wouldn’t bet on it being him. Injuries are his biggest worry or being expected to excel next year when he’s in the NHL and his team turning on him. He won’t be playing with Weber.

  114. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    denny33: No question – no guarantees when selecting teenagers….and you can make a strong case that selecting defencemen especially is dicey so high.
    However, for the most part ( Weber, Keith round 2 ) – there is no mystery where #1 Dmen come from The top end of the draft.
    Chris Pronger – #2 overall
    Drew Doughty – #2 overall
    Ryan Suter – #7 overall
    Alex Pieterangelo # 4 overall

    Need we compile an equally impressive list of top 10 picks that didn’t quite reach the bar set for them?

    Cam Barker anyone?

    The fail rate for D that high ought to be enough to give any GM serious pause.

    Take Draisaitl in the top 5 and move on.

  115. Henry says:

    LoDog: I know Eberle doesn’t get a lot of love around here but how do you figure the starting point for a dman that has zero offense and hardly plays on the PK or PP is a forward who is once again on pace for about 70 points?

    Bingo. Jordan Eberle has been an Oiler for four seasons. He’s led them in scoring for three. Trading a developed scorer for a developing defenseman wouldn’t be smart. A guy like Pietrelangelo would be fine but unlikely.

    Eberle is a guy to build around.

  116. Ribs says:

    Woodguy: Eakins’ avail today is full of win.
    Basically his answers should warm the heart of every basement dwelling blogger in the Oilogoshpere:
    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=512865&catid=4

    I can’t believe he mentioned Lucic again. It’s kind of funny. I wonder if the league fines them one of these days.

  117. FastOil says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Note, however, that standard aggressive male behavior is rarely at adds with a general homosocial chumminess. In fact, the two typically go hand-in-hand.

    Hemsky’s sin isn’t that he is pissed at the press, its that he is aloof and nearly indifferent to them.

    They’ve always interpreted this as being “indifferent to hockey”… because they fall prey to their own importance.

    Also, aloof isn’t good copy (I mean sure, a yearly “Damn that enigmatic, disinterested Hemsky” column is good copy, but it is of limited value)… rage is.

    His play on the ice is part of it. He is unusual (which isn’t bad) and does atypical things. Gretzky was attacked all throughout even after obliterating every record and changing the game while still playing it.

    It is easier to be an odd sort when there is insurmountable evidence that you are exceptional. I have lost my shine for him, not that he isn’t good, but I think the weird thing isn’t a good fit now when the team needs cohesiveness and needs veterans to help form a team image going forward. Can’t let him go without a replacement though.

  118. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Ribs: I can’t believe he mentioned Lucic again. It’s kind of funny. I wonder if the league fines them one of these days.

    For what?

    I can’t see a tampering case made out of referring to a player as a standard.

    (I gather your tongue was in cheek as I say this)

  119. G Money says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Take Draisaitl in the top 5 and move on.

    Speaking of general homosocial chumminess … Rom and Draisaitl sittin’ in a tree … : – )

  120. LoDog says:

    spoiler: I don’t. Hence my reply to Paper Designer.

    Ah, got it. Got the wrong jist from your post.

  121. Ribs says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: For what?

    I can’t see a tampering case made out of referring to a player as a standard.

    (I gather your tongue was in cheek as I say this)

    Yes, tongue firmly in cheek there. It’s just amusing to me that Oilers staff keep referring to him as a player they would like to have. It makes you wonder what they’d give up to get him if he became available one day.

  122. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    spoiler,

    Get Larsson (not suggesting its Eberle that does that trade). That would be a nice, nice add to complement Nurse and Klefbom. Nice alternative to pursuing a bonafide #1D as I would think Nurse and Larsson will evolve to a #1 and #2 naturally. Maybe even Klefbom as a third option #2 D as well. Could you orchestrate extracting Henrique for Gagner somehow as well as part of a larger player package? Seems like Henrique is in a funk over there. A change of scenery hockey trade?

  123. Jon K says:

    I wonder, would there be a deal with NJ based around Larsson and Henrique and pieces such as Yakupov, Gagner, Klefbom, the 1st?

    Henrique not only has the connection and chemistry with Hall, but basically played the centre role Hall needs to a T. He was the defensive conscience down the middle, and generally scored a great deal of his junior goals in the Smyth zone off of Hall shots or passes.

    One can only dream, I suppose.

  124. prairieschooner says:

    I think Yakupov is the obvious choice for trade.
    Yak is a luxury player when you have your team nicely set up Yak puts you over the top
    I know he is exciting and fun but he is more temperamental and more likely to have slumps.
    Eberle is a consistent point producer.
    Oilers have drafted BPA and must deal with trading one or some of those picks.
    The thing on Nurse appears to come from a writer who was struggling for copy

  125. theres oil in virginia says:

    Racki: Not to go all “body language” on him (I hate when people do that), but Hemsky often sounds like he’s so pissed off when he’s doing interviews. Nothing against him though, and I’m not implying anything by it.. just an observation.

    Ha. You’d be a little pissy too if a bunch of assholes kept calling you a pansy and then started asking you questions like “how do you feel about that guy guy that knocked your teeth in last game?”. What a bunch of leeches. I really enjoyed the “Six rings” presser for just that reason. All of Lowe’s vitriol was directed at the press, not the fans.

  126. GregS says:

    It seems to me that we traded away the very thing we want. What if Matt Greene, Brodziak, and Tom Gilbert were still on our defense? Add Ference, Justin Schultz and Petry and we would have a pretty solid back end. But unfortunately bad trades were made and hence we have sucked since 2008.

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