JETS AT OILERS G39, 13-14

After the Saturday night fireworks, a lot of us expected closed-door screaming and maybe some interesting quotes. It was a slow morning, but gave way to a quotable Sunday afternoon:

  • Dallas Eakins: “I’m pinning this loss on the bone-headed mistakes we make when we have everything going in our favour.”

I agree completely with this statement, that’s kind of what we’re seeing all year. Saturday night 5 minutes in I said “what the hell is THIS?” with the biggest smile, and two hours later I was walking the dog (this isn’t code, I actually walked the dog). Smart, smart, smart followed by stupid, stupid, stupid. To quote It’s a Wonderful Life, youth is wasted on all the wrong people.

  • Dallas Eakins on Gagner: “When you struggle as a player of his calibre, what you gravitate to immediately is ‘I gotta get some points’, yeah but let’s keep it out of our net first. He’s progressing, I know he’s committed.”

It really doesn’t matter at this point, the young man’s career is at a crossroads. This is a guy who as late as training camp looked like a part of the future, and right now you’d have to figure at least part of the management group is trying to figure a way to get him out of town. Injuries have enormous impact on players, the Kassian mugging being the most recent example.

  • Dallas Eakins on Hall: “Taylor is a smart kid, he understands the game.”

I’ve always thought he had a “sense” of the game, an “intuit” as opposed to being a student. Huh. You never know.

  • Dallas Eakins on Hall: “His defensive game has gone from something that I thought was very, very shaky, with no habit, to one where he’s starting to lead the way on how we want to play in our zone. He’s still got work to do, but if you wanted to go most-improved, it’s Taylor.”

I’m going to be honest, haven’t seen it. I’ve seen better effort and he’s broken up some plays by hauling ass and that’s new, maybe that’s what Eakins is talking about.

  • Dallas Eakins on Hall: “The goal for Taylor is that within a period of time, he will be the best defensive left-winger in the game—and he’s still going to get 100 points a game. He wants it.”

Taylor Hall’s greatest contribution to the defense during his career will be the number of offensive sorties he creates in pursuit of goals. He’s a wonderful player today, love that he’s working hard at being better.

  • Dallas Eakins on the team: “If we weren’t making any progress, I’d tell you. But we’re showing flashes that we are, and that’s what makes this so frustrating.”

Yes. Agreed. They really have to show the fanbase something tonight, though. The progress we’ve seen doesn’t do you much good if the coach gets fired.

 LINEUPS

At practice yesterday, the lines looked different again:

  1. Nuge-Hall-Perron: That’s some nice talent there. Lordy.
  2. Gagner-Joensuu-Eberle: Eberle must have given coach Eakins a very ugly tie for Christmas.
  3. Gordon-Smyth-Hemsky: This is a MacT line. I bet he smiles when they jump over the boards.
  4. Lander-Gazdic-Yakupov: Two role players and the Russian they’ll trade by summer.

 VOLLMAN SLEDGEHAMMER

VOLLMAN SLEDGEHAMMER 2013Even more interesting is Vollman’s take on this graph (analysis here) and his comments on Perron and Larsen. The is QUAL COMP, ZONE START and the bubble is the Oilers attempted shot differential when the given player is on the ice (blue good, pink bad, red dead).

Young Willis has a strong read about the team here, and I generally agree with him. I’ve kind of come to the conclusion that they’re going to re-sign Hemsky and trade Yakupov for a defenseman. The more logical move—dealing Eberle or finding value for Gagner —don’t strike me as MacT moves. He’s tried to deliver on promise (not to trade the kids) and will sacrifice the one who is farthest from the cluster’s center, and that’s the Russian. I hope I’m wrong about this, but don’t believe they’ll deal Eberle.

  • Nuge-Hall-Eberle
  • Legwand-Perron-Hemsky
  • Gordon-Kulemin-Gagner

It even works for the Sledgehammer.

TRADING A FORWARD FOR A DEFENSEMAN

We’ve talked about this many times, but the club is so far out of balance now that it’s reached a breaking point. All those kids on blue in the minors are miles away, Nurse even farther, and Ekblad barely shaves. Bite the bullet, made the cut and begin the healing. Trade freeze ends Dec. 27 midnight.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

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  1. spoiler says:

    Two absolutely brilliant saves, one-by-each.

  2. RexLibris says:

    Blues and Flames in OT.

    Six goals scored altogether.

    Coincidence or are the Hockey Gods throwing it in our faces?

  3. spoiler says:

    I would have bet money against Smytty that race. Wow, sweet move.

  4. SK Oiler Fan says:

    RexLibris,

    Damn, good point. Maybe Phoenix is a better merger partner. They have goaltending and weather. I like the Winnipeg fans though. I’m torn.

  5. OilBuzz says:

    Smytty looks so much better this year

  6. Lowetide says:

    Smyth gets another year, $1.5M-ish?

  7. spoiler says:

    OilBuzz: Smytty looks so much better this year

    I agree. There are games where he looks head and shoulders above last year’s performance. He’s lost a step but seems to have re-built his stamina.

  8. Andy P says:

    Lowetide: Smyth gets another year, $1.5M-ish?

    The re-emergence of Smytty and Hemmers are two bright spots on the year.

  9. hunter1909 says:

    SK Oiler Fan,

    Merge with the Ducks: for weather, Getzlaf and their broadcast team.

  10. spoiler says:

    Lowetide: Smyth gets another year, $1.5M-ish?

    I think it will have to be $2M, but I’m okay with that if it is only for one year. Unless, of course, they trade for Weber, lol.

  11. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Lowetide,

    I’m loving this Gordon, Hemsky, Smyth line so yah, 4.5 M combined for Smyth and Hemsky would make for a decent 3 line

  12. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide,

    No. No. No.

    Winnick, Moss, Kulemin

  13. spoiler says:

    Well done, laddies. Nuge digs the puck free, Hall lugs it out from behind the net, Perron chips in the pass from the slot. Like clockwork.

  14. Pouzar says:

    I get so excited when we score and are actually winning. I can’t imagine when we get good.

  15. fishman says:

    Oil dominating in the circle???

  16. OilBuzz says:

    spoiler: I think it will have to be $2M, but I’m okay with that if it is only for one year.Unless, of course, they trade for Weber, lol.

    Potter and Larsen for Weber
    Belov for Suter
    Gagner and Yak for Crosby
    Hemsky and Jones for Ovechkin

    Hall – Crosby – Eberle
    Perron – RNH – Ovechkin
    Smyth – Gordon – Hemsky
    Gazdic – Arco – Jones

    Weber – Suter
    Petry – Jultz
    Bag of pucks

  17. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Damn, finally an entertaining game to watch , I’m 3 rum deep and now the Mrs gives me the bat signal. I’m out.

  18. hunter1909 says:

    Creepy Kubrick followers making Scotiabank commercials. All it needs is a tuxedo.

  19. spoiler says:

    OilBuzz: Potter and Larsen for WeberBelov for SuterGagner and Yak for CrosbyHemsky and Jones for OvechkinHall – Crosby – EberlePerron – RNH – OvechkinSmyth – Gordon – HemskyGazdic – Arco – JonesWeber – SuterPetry – JultzBag of pucks

    I don’t think that Suter trade would go unless you get Parise too.

  20. regwald says:

    Lowetide: Yes. Espo trade would have been #1 probably from 1960+. That or the Leafs blowing the chance to get Orr AND Park.

    Not sure I ever heard reference to this before LT ? What’s the story about Orr and Park ? Sorry just catching up on the feed.

    Thanks much.

  21. RexLibris says:

    regwald,

    Not to intrude, but the story on Orr, If I recall (believe it is from Leafs Abomination, but I may be wrong there), was that the Leafs got a call about a young kid playing defense in their prospect territory. All they had to do was send a scout out to take a look at the kid and they could claim him under the territorial protections of the time.

    Problem was the drive was a little too long for the scout and they said they weren’t interested in some small kid playing defense like a forward.

    Boston drafted the kid and he did pretty well there.

  22. RexLibris says:

    spoiler: I don’t think that Suter trade would go unless you get Parise too.

    Come on, then we’re talking strict salary dump. Wild have to throw in a 1st and take Abney back to make the money and contracts work out.

  23. RexLibris says:

    Joensuu sits.

    2 minutes for enthusiasm.

  24. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    Smyth gets another year, $1.5M-ish?

    I don’t re-sign him. Kulemin is a better target, in my opinion.

    He’s having a nice game and a decent season. Let’s remember him like this.

  25. Lowetide says:

    Petry scores for the first time since he was a virgin and I think Yak gets an assist and a plus!

  26. spoiler says:

    Petry de-gorillas.

  27. RexLibris says:

    So, the Flames won in OT and the Sabres and Islanders won as well.

  28. D says:

    YAK and Petry.

  29. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    Petry scores for the first time since he was a virgin and I think Yak gets an assist and a plus!

    I’m not going to ask for proof of that statement.

  30. jp says:

    Was that a pass by Yakupov? I assumed it was a failed 1-timer, but on the replay he appeared to be looking at Petry. Great goal regardless!

  31. spoiler says:

    A good do-the-little-things end of the shift play there by Hall to get it deep.

  32. hunter1909 says:

    Just because he made a sensational pass look routine hoping it doesn’t mean Yakupov’s getting off the 4th line.

    Eakins still needs to show everyone who’s boss.

  33. spoiler says:

    RexLibris: So, the Flames won in OT and the Sabres and Islanders won as well.

    So we need a win to keep the pace is what you’re saying.

  34. RexLibris says:

    Pysyk scores the winner for the Sabres.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=439688

    Gotta be lucky to be good, I guess.

  35. fishman says:

    RexLibris,

    Smyth really effective tonight but man he is plough horse slow! You think he has another year left in him?

  36. Lowetide says:

    regwald: Not sure I ever heard reference to this before LT ? What’s the story about Orr and Park ? Sorry just catching up on the feed.

    Thanks much.

    Yeah, they missed on him. At least once, the one in writing is here:

    http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2010/5/10/1462755/bad-history-and-bobby-orr

  37. RexLibris says:

    spoiler: So we need a win to keep thepace is what you’re saying.

    That or the Hockey Gods are sending us into Christmas with a little something to cheer for.

  38. spoiler says:

    Smytty has moves that even fake him out.

  39. RexLibris says:

    fishman:
    RexLibris,

    Smyth really effective tonight but man he is plough horse slow!You think he has another year left in him?

    I’d love to see Smyth go to a team like St. Louis and win a cup under Hitchcock.

  40. spoiler says:

    Amazing hands by the Nuge and he sets up the rifle shot from Hall.

  41. RexLibris says:

    Now Hemsky I re-sign.

  42. Gerta Rauss says:

    I think re-signing Smyth is a decision you make in the 2nd week of July. And I don’t see why you can’t sign him AND a Kulemin type.

  43. Lowetide says:

    Nuge is brilliant.

  44. spoiler says:

    Gerta Rauss: I think re-signing Smyth is a decision you make in the 2nd week of July. And I don’t see why you can’t sign him AND a Kulemin type.

    I think that decision is in the hands of Smytty, and he looks like he wants to play another year. There may even have been a discussion with MacT about playing better if he wanted another contract.

  45. RexLibris says:

    I’m going to say Gazdic won that one.

  46. spoiler says:

    Gazdic will give you facial contusions.

  47. D says:

    I heart Gazdic.

  48. hunter1909 says:

    fishman: Smyth really effective tonight but man he is plough horse slow! You think he has another year left in him?

    Yes, but unfortunately that year is 2009.

    RexLibris: Now Hemsky I re-sign.

    Because he’s cheaper against the cap than Yakupov? Or else he’s a better player?

    Smyth + Hemsky are both players who no longer fit the team if it’s planning to move forward into playoff contention.

  49. RexLibris says:

    Re: Smyth

    If you want to leave room for Pitlick, Horak or Lander and a FA signing like Kulemin or Raymond, then I think Smyth’s time is up.

  50. Lowetide says:

    Gazdic is going to save this team a generation of third round picks.

  51. D says:

    Maybe Gazdic can be Yak’s Semenko?

  52. RexLibris says:

    spoiler:
    Gazdic will give you facial contusions.

    Gazdic CAN actually make a man breathe through his eyelids.

  53. spoiler says:

    Surprises me they put Hemsky in the box. Hmm….

  54. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    Gazdic is going to save this team a generation of third round picks.

    Shame about the one’s they’ve already spent.

    At least they didn’t waste a high pick on Kanzig this year.

  55. spoiler says:

    When Yak learns more than one pass strength, he’s gonna be a helluva playmaker.

  56. RexLibris says:

    hunter1909,

    We continually discuss how the Oilers don’t have enough veteran players, support players, and the recent motto has been “get good players, keep good players”.

    Hemsky is still young enough to play, he’s shown perhaps one of the quickest uptakes of Eakins’ system amongst the forwards and is a terrific depth forward for this team. If it costs you $4 million over four years, that is money well spent.

  57. spoiler says:

    Nice to see that pass from Hall to Yak. Was worried it wasn’t going to happen.

  58. RexLibris says:

    I *heart* Yakupov.

  59. hunter1909 says:

    Gorgeous goal by Hall to Yakupov.

  60. RexLibris says:

    J. Schultz in the mixup with Ference defending Yakupov.

    So heartening to see.

    Now Yakupov’s first fight!

  61. spoiler says:

    This is not how the Christmas Armistice is supposed to go.

  62. hunter1909 says:

    Sensational last little shot by Yaks in the fight ha ha.

    Crafty left hook.

  63. D says:

    Man – Yak is working his way into everyone’s good books tonight.

  64. D says:

    RexLibris:
    I *heart* Yakupov.

    Me too.

  65. RexLibris says:

    So does Bogosian get a suspension for coming in there?

    Love that Yakupov gave back.

    Should the Oilers sub-let some of their penalty box to the Jets? Getting kind of cramped in there.

  66. hunter1909 says:

    Only assholes won’t enjoy the last 5 minutes of this game.

  67. RexLibris says:

    My friend at the game loves Yakupov more than any other Oilers.

    Loves his spirit, tenacity, skill, and probably most of all his mean streak.

    He’s gotta be in 7th heaven right now.

  68. spoiler says:

    Yak totally forgot to drop his gloves.

  69. bookje says:

    If I am the coach, I love this game – could be the night this collection of guys became a team

  70. RexLibris says:

    That was a really dumb play by Byfuglien after the goal. Sparked this whole mess.

    That being said, I’d take him on my team.

  71. hunter1909 says:

    I prefer hockey with game misconducts and occasional brawling.

    The fast, 2.5 hour game is boring boring boring.

  72. RexLibris says:

    spoiler:
    Yak totally forgot to drop his gloves.

    Couldn’t. The strings his mom put on his jersey keep ‘em attached. Hockey gloves are expensive, can’t be losing them in the snow.

  73. spoiler says:

    Gazdic will bring a tear to your eye.

  74. RexLibris says:

    Okay, if this team gave up a SH on a 5-3 that would make a typical Oilers win.

  75. spoiler says:

    The game will be over before they can announce all the penalties.

  76. Lowetide says:

    I enjoyed this game a lot.

  77. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    I enjoyed this game a lot.

    Yeah.

    We should do this again sometime.

  78. spoiler says:

    A 60 minute game. Against a weak sister, sure. But a 60 minute game nonetheless.

  79. David says:

    When Taylor Hall isn’t on the Olympic team it will be a travesty.

  80. OilBuzz says:

    Warm and fuzzy

  81. RexLibris says:

    Flames next.

    Great. Let’s hope Burke serves up extra turkey and stuffing to the players the night before.

  82. RexLibris says:

    It is my sincere hope that Dallas Eakins gets a chance at a 24/7 sometime.

    The man has great PAs and throws media narratives right back in their face. Getting his comments and observations on a show like that would be priceless.

  83. spoiler says:

    I’m a little angry at the refs for not giving Yak a fighting major and denying us a Gordie Howe Yaktrick.

  84. Pouzar says:

    RexLibris:
    That was a really dumb play by Byfuglien after the goal. Sparked this whole mess.

    That being said, I’d take him on my team.

    The guy is a mess in his own end. I’ve been to a few Jets games as this is where I live and my 2 best buds have season tickets and say he’s less than stellar defensively. Now Trouba OTOH :)

  85. Andy P says:

    Ok the assistants can stay a bit longer I suppose :)

  86. Pouzar says:

    WTF Bogosian? Really? Jumping in to save Ladd from Yak??? Can’t wait to get to work tomorrow!

  87. gr8one says:

    Fun game to watch finally.

    Completely off topic but this is an interesting concept, I wonder if it’s something the NHL would ever consider adopting…

    http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/86940/the-nbas-possible-solution-for-tanking-good-bye-to-the-lottery-hello-to-the-wheel

  88. Pouzar says:

    Again I know it’s a weaker opponent but it’s nights like tonight where I say no way can we trade any of Hall, Nuge, Yak or Ebs. We just can’t. I never subscribed to that anyway but really…can we all just agree they are kids, find a #1 D, sprinkle in some bottom 6 NHLers and let the games begin????

  89. Lowetide says:

    spoiler:
    I’m a little angry at the refs for not giving Yak a fighting major and denying us a Gordie Howe Yaktrick.

    Actually, that’s true. finks.

  90. RexLibris says:

    Pouzar: The guy is a mess in his own end. I’ve been to a few Jets games as this is where I live and my 2 best buds have season tickets and say he’s less than stellar defensively. Now Trouba OTOH

    I like him as a winger. As a defender, I think he’d be alright as a 2nd pairing coupled with a smart defender like a Petry, perhaps.

    Trouba looks good. Mean, too. I hate him on the Jets, which tells you a lot. I think he might be a good reasonable comp for how we hope Nurse develops.

  91. Fixall with Rexall says:

    Might be the last good memory we have of Yakupov. I hope not.

  92. fifthcartel says:

    I loved Hall looking for Yak the entire way on Yak’s goal.

  93. jp says:

    Andy P: I’d be interested in your view of the core issues, for sure.

    Despite looking like a million bucks tonight:
    1. Not enough good players. Particularly problematic on D, but also evident at C and G earlier in the year.
    2. The players they have are too young. They’re inexperienced, and despite their skill they don’t bring 100% effort consistently, make a boatload of mistakes on the defensive side of the puck, and can’t protect a lead.
    3. Not the right mix of players. A couple more veterans to help out the young players would be great. And another Perron or two who can grind it out against the “heavy” teams AND play the game would do wonders.
    4. A rookie coach with incompetent assistants. I’m not certain this is a core issue – the rookie coach may well show himself to be competent. Ditto for the assistants. Time will tell on this point.

    I could well be missing additional important issues – I’ve had quite a few drinks at this point

    But really all these issues can be attributed to bad management for many years. I’m happy to include potentially underqualified former players as assistant coaches under this umbrella, but I just don’t see it as a primary issue.

  94. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Mark Stewart (sp?) said some good things

  95. Pouzar says:

    RexLibris: I like him as a winger. As a defender, I think he’d be alright as a 2nd pairing coupled with a smart defender like a Petry, perhaps.

    Trouba looks good. Mean, too. I hate him on the Jets, which tells you a lot. I think he might be a good reasonable comp for how we hope Nurse develops.

    Agreed with all that. I think he prefers playing D over wing and didn’t take to the change back to wing too well last year.

    Loved Trouba in the World Jrs

  96. Bulging Twine says:

    Smyth has been playing real well lately. Smart plays with the puck. Good puck control.

  97. Andy P says:

    jp,

    Thank you.

  98. ASkoreyko says:

    As much as I don’t like the role that Gazdic has to play, I am quite happy we have him filling that role. He showed ZERO hesitation going after Stuart and he is actually trying to hurt the other guy, not just tie him up and make it appear like he is responding. Top it off with Gazdic and Yak in the penalty box and like LT has said before, Gazdic is one of them now. He also seems to be getting better at actually playing hockey which is always a plus.

    It will be a minor move but having a guy like Gazdic grow up with these kids could prove more valuable then we think.

  99. Henry says:

    Is it safe to like the Edmonton Oilers now?

  100. OilBuzz says:

    Henry:
    Is it safe to like the Edmonton Oilers now?

    No.

  101. Andy P says:

    Henry: Is it safe to like the Edmonton Oilers now?

    Not until they kick some Flames @$$

  102. spoiler says:

    Henry: Is it safe to like the Edmonton Oilers now?

    No.

    Because this team won’t play for this coach.

    Because Yak will jump to the KHL.

    Because MacT has sat on his hands.

    /sarc

  103. jp says:

    David:
    When Taylor Hall isn’t on the Olympic team it will be a travesty.

    True, but he won’t be left off that team again.

  104. jp says:

    ASkoreyko:
    As much as I don’t like the role that Gazdic has to play, I am quite happy we have him filling that role. He showed ZERO hesitation going after Stuart and he is actually trying to hurt the other guy, not just tie him up and make it appear like he is responding. Top it off with Gazdic and Yak in the penalty box and like LT has said before, Gazdic is one of them now. He also seems to be getting better at actually playing hockey which is always a plus.

    It will be a minor move but having a guy like Gazdic grow up with these kids could prove more valuable then we think.

    Agreed. He’s playing that role about as well as he could be.

  105. Henry says:

    spoiler: No.

    Because this team won’t play for this coach.

    Because Yak will jump to the KHL.

    Because MacT has sat on his hands.

    /sarc

    Damn, I kinda sorta want to like them. A lot of guys played very well, starting with Hemsky and Smyth in the first.

  106. Hammers says:

    Good game but lets face it, we should have beaten this team in game #1 and gotten off on better footing . If they play like this we may or should get up to the top 20 . If they could jump 9 spots we may see some really good games and get some respect back . Proved again tonight that our real problem is how to add the 2 “D” we need . Face it we still need 2 top defencemen either through trade or UFA’s .

  107. spoiler says:

    Eakins post-game:

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=4&id=520070&lang=en

    Very happy they stuck up for each other–a big step for this team. Loved Yak’s game tonight.

  108. jp says:

    Hammers:
    Good game but lets face it, we should have beaten this team in game #1 and gotten off on better footing . If they play like this we may or should get up to the top 20 . If they could jump 9 spots we may see some really good games and get some respect back . Proved again tonight that our real problem is how to add the 2 “D” we need . Face it we still need 2 top defencemen either through trade or UFA’s .

    Scary thing is we have a guy on the 4th line who could fetch us one of those D. Despite the limited minutes I really liked his game tonight – even before the goal and fight (and he got the Gordie Howe hat trick in my mind).

  109. jp says:

    Yakupov also knows how to draw a penalty:

    16:16 WPG Zach Bogosian Game misconduct
    16:16 WPG Andrew Ladd Misconduct (10 min)
    16:16 WPG Andrew Ladd Slashing against Nail Yakupov
    16:16 EDM Nail Yakupov Misconduct (10 min)
    16:16 EDM Nail Yakupov Slashing against Bryan Little
    16:16 WPG Bryan Little Misconduct (10 min)
    16:16 WPG Bryan Little Slashing against Nail Yakupov
    16:16 WPG Zach Bogosian Spearing (maj) against Nail Yakupov
    16:16 WPG Chris Thorburn Misconduct (10 min)
    16:16 WPG Dustin Byfuglien Slashing against Nail Yakupov
    16:16 WPG Andrew Ladd Cross checking against Nail Yakupov

  110. spoiler says:

    I wonder if Jones, Arcobello and Yak would allow the Oil to roll four lines. Assuming Jones isn’t concussed. Double-shift Hall there too.

    Eberle was reportedly pumped to play with Gagner tonight. Their games seem a good match for each other. Cycling will be a struggle, even with Joensuu, but they think alike.

  111. Woodguy says:

    Just finished watching on DVR.

    Had a buddy call me up for a pre-screening of Wolf of Wall Street, so I went.

    What a piece of shit of a movie.

    I can’t believe that the Scorsese directed it.

    The same person who made Goodfella, Casino, and The Departed couldn’t have made this.

    No character development, and not real plot line to speak of.

    Awful.

    Also,

    DVR’d the game.

    Taylor Hall is something to behold.

    I’m not sure anyone runs the game when they are on the ice like he does.

    He might be the best LW in hockey, let alone best Canadian LW in hockey.

    Amazing.

    Also,

    Nice to see Yakupov be involved instead of a sidenote.

    Perron has mastered the art of interfering with someone, but falling at the same time to not draw a penalty.

    Ryan Smyth should be 4LW next year.

    Ales Hemsky is the 2nd best hockey player on the team behind Hall.

    He’s better than Hall without the puck, but Hall is in a class of his own with it.

    Man.

  112. ASkoreyko says:

    Further to my point above:

    @jirelandEJ: “There’s guys in here who had 3 points & I’m the one wearing (player of game) jacket. It’s cool to be recognized by your teammates.” Gazdic

  113. ASkoreyko says:

    Woodguy,

    Its about 3 hours long as well correct? I am not sure why anyone thinks a 3 hour movie is a good idea.

  114. stevezie says:

    Woodguy: The same person who made Goodfella, Casino, and The Departed couldn’t have made this.

    The departed is the most overrated movie since Gladiator. It’s good enough for awhile, but the third act is a pointless mess. Deus Ex Machina indeed.

  115. hunter1909 says:

    stevezie: The departed is the most overrated movie since Gladiator. It’s good enough for awhile, but the third act is a pointless mess.

    That’s what happens when Italians hijack Irish history. Shamrocks and stout aside, they haven’t got a clue. Scorsese probably goes on to do the Westies next – to complete his Gangs of New York sentimentalist trifecta of suck.

  116. Woodguy says:

    stevezie: The departed is the most overrated movie since Gladiator. It’s good enough for awhile, but the third act is a pointless mess. Deus Ex Machina indeed.

    Compared to Wolf of Wall Street, The Departed is Ghandi.

  117. Woodguy says:

    ASkoreyko:
    Woodguy,

    Its about 3 hours long as well correct? I am not sure why anyone thinks a 3 hour movie is a good idea.

    Yes.

    With no discernible plot line you kept expecting it to end for about 1.5hrs

    No character development.

    No main plot line.

    Just little vignettes of drugs, sex and money and no where to go.

    He put Dicaprio in almost every scene, you think he could have developed the character or plot line pretty easily is he wanted.

    The massive over-use of internal monologue also just destroys and semblance of story as well, constantly taking you in and out of moments.

    Bah!

  118. Lowetide says:

    Broke up with a girl during the intermission of “Reds” and am still convinced it was because the movie was so long. I left, she stayed.

  119. oliveoilers says:

    And all was calm in the Land of Oil. Merry Xmas to you all and best wishes for the new year.

    We so needed that…..

  120. TheOtherJohn says:

    Lowetide:
    Broke up with a girl during the intermission of “Reds” and am still convinced it was because the movie was so long. I left, she stayed.

    You made her stay and finish the rest of Reds……… That’s cruel. Still a step up from Ishtar

  121. theres oil in virginia says:

    stevezie: The departed is the most overrated movie since Gladiator. It’s good enough for awhile, but the third act is a pointless mess. Deus Ex Machina indeed.

    I thought The Last Temptation of Christ was pretty awful too. Scorcesi seems like a drug addict. When he’s got his fix just right, he rolls along, but when he’s over-dosed or under-dosed he’s a rambling mess.

  122. russ99 says:

    Nice win to go into the short holiday break, and it’s really nice to see them score a bunch of goals again.

    But look at the schedule, I hope they can open up the offense to get the puck in open spaces like they did last night against a weak defending Jets team vs. tougher teams coming up rather than going back to playing offensive hockey in quicksand to keep the puck away from the opposition or cheat back.

  123. Andy P says:

    IIRC I saw a comment a while back that the 90′s Oilers were really horrible for a while until they all got so angry they got together and found their fight, leading to their successes.

    How nice if this turns out to be the moment for this team.

  124. jake70 says:

    stevezie: The departed is the most overrated movie since Gladiator. It’s good enough for awhile, but the third act is a pointless mess. Deus Ex Machina indeed.

    Yeah but Vera “Norma Bates” Farmiga….

  125. justDOit says:

    Woodguy:

    … Just little vignettes of drugs, sex and money and no where to go…

    Wait – I thought you said it was bad?

    Also: I fell asleep and missed the elbow, the scrums, and most of the goals. Good grief.

  126. НИНТЕНДО⁶⁴ says:

    To clear up some Orr signing myths. Orr and Parry Sound were outside Toronto’s 50 mile territorial rights, so the Maple Leafs had no special rights to neglect. Also obscurity wasn’t the issue. By the time he was signed Bowman had scouted him personally. The driver was the new draft starting the next year in 63. 67 was the first full draft with no players already lost to C-Forms contracts, so there was a push in 62 to get under the wire with young players. The other teams weren’t ready to go as far and the Bruins treaded were the angels dared not. A real Skalbania moment. Orr and Gretzky. Both cleaned up just fine.

  127. bookje says:

    Lowetide:
    Broke up with a girl during the intermission of “Reds” and am still convinced it was because the movie was so long. I left, she stayed.

    An intermission in a movie. Good God man, how old are you???

  128. bookje says:

    Watching the game last night made me miss my old hockey jersey. I forgot it at the game the other night. If any of you have found it, let me know. It was a number 83 Jersey, last place I saw it was on the ice.

  129. bookje says:

    bookje: An intermission in a movie.Good God man, how old are you???

    Was it a talkie at least?

  130. theres oil in virginia says:

    bookje:
    Watching the game last night made me miss my old hockey jersey.I forgot it at the game the other night.If any of you have found it, let me know.It was a number 83 Jersey, last place I saw it was on the ice.

    I found it, but because it was only an imitation and not a real jersey, I threw it on the ice so the authorities could properly dispose of it.

  131. G Money says:

    Henry:
    Is it safe to like the Edmonton Oilers now?

    Says hopefully: “Is it 2015 yet? Has Lowe been fired?”

    Realization dawns.

    “Damn.”

    Andy P: Not until they kick some Flames @$$

    Another conundrum. I had tickets to the last Oilers-Flames tilt here in Cowtown, and I almost turned them down. And after the second period, I seriously thought about leaving (a buddy of mine did leave). Then of course came the Third Period Miracle on Stampede Ave.

    Once again – I can get tickets to this Friday’s game. Dammit.

    Woodguy: Ales Hemsky is the 2nd best hockey player on the team behind Hall.
    He’s better than Hall without the puck

    I have fallen off the Hemsky bandwagon. I’ve been a big fan and defender of his for years, but for all his talent, he is part of what ails this team. An unwililngness to shoot, an unwillingness to drive to the net, and an unwillingness to score an ugly goal.

    The results are kind of clear at this point. Yeah, I agree, he’s the 2nd best player talent-wise on the Oilers right now. He’s also a (distant) fifth in scoring, just five points ahead of the badly struggling Yakupov.

    That inability to convert talent into points is not a coincidence, and carries the realistic risk that this “veteran example” of dipsy doodling all the time is part of what infects the mind of the youngsters in refusing to drive the net, refusing to take shots when they have the chance, and refusing to make simple plays when fancy ones aren’t available.

    russ99: But look at the schedule, I hope they can open up the offense to get the puck in open spaces like they did last night against a weak defending Jets team

    I think the book is out on this team. They are no longer a bottom tier team (all due to talent), and they can beat up on most teams that aren’t good defensively or want to play river hockey. Their record would be quite a bit better if they’d just gotten league average goaltending and injury rates through the first 1/3rd of the season.

    But if you are a big team with a strong system, all you have to do is forecheck aggressively and stay disciplined, and eventually the youngsters will shoot themselves in the foot, usually with a cannon.

    Rx: Experience, defensive fundamentals, and a handful of big high-grade veterans …

  132. Woodguy says:

    G Money,

    . An unwililngness to shoot, an unwillingness to drive to the net, and an unwillingness to score an ugly goal.

    You sir, are on glue.

    Hemsky goes to the net more than any other Oiler.

    Doesn’t score ugly ones like Smyth, but lordy, “doesn’t go to the net”????

    Glue I say.

    Glue.

  133. art vandelay says:

    Broke up with a girl during the intermission of “Reds” and am still convinced it was because the movie was so long. I left, she stayed.

    Best-ever movie review.

  134. TheGreatMutato says:

    Woodguy:
    Had a buddy call me up for a pre-screening of Wolf of Wall Street, so I went.

    What a piece of shit of a movie.

    I find myself more troubled by this than most things Oilers. This film, along with ‘Inside Llewyn Davis’ was factored heavily into my holiday plans.

  135. НИНТЕНДО⁶⁴ says:

    art vandelay:
    Broke up with a girl during the intermission of “Reds” and am still convinced it was because the movie was so long. I left, she stayed.

    Best-ever movie review.

    Lowetide, Post of the year. Left that intermission with my then girlfriend laughing that we’d sat through it that long. Her smarts and humor still make my days.

  136. G Money says:

    Woodguy:
    G Money,

    . An unwililngness to shoot, an unwillingness to drive to the net, and an unwillingness to score an ugly goal.

    You sir, are on glue.

    Hemsky goes to the net more than any other Oiler.

    Doesn’t score ugly ones like Smyth, but lordy, “doesn’t go to the net”????

    Glue I say.

    Glue.

    Sorry my good man. Wine, yes. Glue, no.

    If you tell me that “Hemsky is not soft, he goes to dangerous places on the ice”, I will agree with you. He does put himself in harms way. It is part of what made me a fan all these years. The problem is, he just doesn’t do it in a way that produces results very often.

    So … “Drives to the net”? Not a chance. More like: carries into the zone, ignores chance to shoot, drives towards the net, ignores chance to shoot, drives *behind* the net and around, ignores chance to shoot, then dipsy doodles back up to the blue line and loses possession.

    We come out of our seats in awe of that wonderful skill … and then sit back in disappointment as it comes to nothing far more often than not.

    I doubt you can find five highlights all year of Hemsky driving *to* the net and taking a dangerous shot from within ten feet of the net.

    Hence: breathtaking skill, yet a distant fifth on the team in points.

  137. НИНТЕНДО⁶⁴ says:

    G Money: Sorry my good man.Wine, yes.Glue, no.

    If you tell me that “Hemsky is not soft, he goes to dangerous places on the ice”, I will agree with you. He does put himself in harms way.It is part of what made me a fan all these years.The problem is, he just doesn’t do it in a way that produces results very often.

    So … “Drives to the net”?Not a chance. More like: carries into the zone, ignores chance to shoot, drives towards the net, ignores chance to shoot, drives *behind* the net and around, ignores chance to shoot, then dipsy doodles back up to the blue line and loses possession.

    We come out of our seats in awe of that wonderful skill … and then sit back in disappointment as it comes to nothing far more often than not.

    I doubt you can find five highlights all year of Hemsky driving *to* the net and taking a dangerous shot from within ten feet of the net.

    Hence: breathtaking skill, yet a distant fifth on the team in points.

    That 5th place spot might have a little to do with with use. An all round gem this year.

  138. G Money says:

    НИНТЕНДО⁶⁴: That 5th place spot might have a little to do with with use. An all round gem this year.

    That’s the thing with Hemsky… since his last stellar part-season in 2010-11, the incredible skill is and always has been evident … and yet, he’s been putting up deep minuses and 0.5ppg or less for three straight seasons.

    Each year we have to make an excuse for him. Usage. Linemates. Injuries. In one sense, they are all legitimate. But the thing about really good players is they rise above that anyway. And if they can’t … at some point you have to accept that maybe the boxcars are in fact telling you a harsh truth about a player.

  139. НИНТЕНДО⁶⁴ says:

    G Money: That’s the thing with Hemsky… since his last stellar part-season in 2010-11, the incredible skill is and always has been evident … and yet, he’s been putting up deep minuses and 0.5ppg or less for three straight seasons.

    Each year we have to make an excuse for him.Usage. Linemates. Injuries. In one sense, they are all legitimate.But the thing about really good players is they rise above that anyway.And if they can’t … at some point you have to accept that maybe the boxcars are in fact telling you a harsh truth about a player.

    Results aren’t excuses. Someone has got to do the heavy lifting. I’ll take 5th offensively. Nice to see him back.

  140. icecastles says:

    G Money: Each year we have to make an excuse for him.

    I’m just glad folks have finally ditched the seven year narrative of him being on the verge of the breakthrough season where he becomes a superstar in the NHL.

    That said, Hemsky is what he is: a delight to watch, an wonderful talent, but with some quirks to his game that keep him from being able to use that talent to become a superstar. We seem to have a habit in Edmonton of looking at very good hockey players and ripping on them because they’re not superstar hockey players. Perhaps it’s a lingering hangover from the dynasty years, perhaps it’s the inferiority complex that plagues so much of Alberta thinking. We see how great Hemsky is, then hate him because he’s not even greater.

    I think if we examine the narrative around a huge number of our players over past years (Hemsky, Dubnyk, Yakupov, Penner, Horcoff, Staios come most immediately to mind) we see players who were wonderful for what they were, but fans developed an irrational hatred over some flaw (real or perceived or both) and thus prevented themselves from seeing or appreciating the good things.

    Some folks don’t want to allow themselves to be happy. And as Oilers fans, we seem to be guilty of this more often than not.

  141. jp says:

    G Money: That’s the thing with Hemsky… since his last stellar part-season in 2010-11, the incredible skill is and always has been evident … and yet, he’s been putting up deep minuses and 0.5ppg or less for three straight seasons.

    Each year we have to make an excuse for him.Usage. Linemates. Injuries. In one sense, they are all legitimate.But the thing about really good players is they rise above that anyway.And if they can’t … at some point you have to accept that maybe the boxcars are in fact telling you a harsh truth about a player.

    To an extent I’ve slowly come to a similar conclusion about Hemsky. I’m no longer expecting him to push a PPG and have accepted 40-50 point production going forward. That’s still a nice player given that he’s a defensively responsible veteran.

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