OILERS AT AVALANCHE G37, 13-14

The Edmonton Oilers use advanced stats—there’s enough evidence in the verbal from coach and GM to confirm this ten times over—but it’s nice to see them trickle all the way down to the lower third.

CHANCES FOR, BY JONATHAN WILLIS

Jonathan Willis threw this up on twitter last night, and it contrasts so much with the Corsi for % I wanted to post it for discussion.

  •  RNH: 53%; Hall 51%; Eberle 52%
  • Arcobello: 53%; Perron 51%; Hemsky 52%
  • Gagner 49%; Smyth 50%; Yakupov 49%
  • Gordon 41%; Jones 36%; Joensuu 31%
  • Acton 28%; Gazdic 21%
  • Ference 48%; Petry 50%
  • Belov 48%; J Schultz 48%
  • N Schultz 46%; Larsen 46%
  • Smid 48%

Fascinating. And considering Gordon’s drastic zone start, there are TEN Oiler forwards who are doing fine this season. Four defensemen 48%+, and the team is eleven games under .500. It’s about a lot of things, but it’s a lot about the goaltending. How much could this team improve if Bryzgalov is for real and they could add a 25 minute a night defenseman like Mark Giordano?

RYAN SMYTH

  • Smyth: “There’s winning and then there’s misery. And this is misery.”

Ryan’s quotes are getting better over the years, and he nailed this moment in Oilers history. Lots of good quotes in this article and I do believe they’ll play well tonight. Colorado is no pushover, however.

LINUS OMARK

The deadline for pre-Crhristmas  trades is tonight at midnight, and there’s at least a chance Linus Omark will be going. It sounds like he’s pretty much had it in OKC, and the Oilers don’t have any plans for him. The problem comes with finding a trade partner who is willing to play him in the NHL, suspect many would take him on as insurance but that means playing in the minors until a need arises.

Omark needs an expansion draft. I remember as a kid you’d see a guy like Guy Charron go from team to team in fits and starts and then finally an expansion draft would give him a chance. Walt McKechnie played for pretty much every bad team that existed when I was a kid, don’t know if he would have played any in the original 6 (foot speed issues).

Anyway, best of luck Linus! I think you’re a player, but that doesn’t count for a hill of beans.

VOLLMAN SLEDGEHAMMER, THE BLUE

blue sledgehammer

This is the Vollman Sledgehammer for Oilers defense so far, you can find it here. All of the defenseman are in the red (bubble) and the toughest minutes are being played by Petry, Ference and Larsen (!!!) while the easiest are going to Belov and the Schultz brothers. The zone start push is going to Schultz the younger, with the drastic ZS’s to Petry.

So, the guy doing the heavy lifting for the Edmonton Oilers is……..Jeff Petry!

If the Oilers had a Giordano, or an Ehrhoff, or a Campbell, how much of this graph would be blue?

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

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 10 this morning, TSN 1260. Preview of the Oilers-Avs and we’ll talk about the blue. Scheduled to appear:

  • Kady Hobbins from Puck Rant and HF. We’ll talk about the game, Bryzgalov and acquiring a defenseman.
  • Jason Strudwick from TSN 1260. Jason will talk to us about how tough it is for a player like Petry to play a step above his level.
  • Michael Parkatti from Boys on the Bus. We’ll talk about this Oilers team in historic terms. Are they going to give up a record number of goals (when you era-adjust)?
  • Kent Simpson, TSN 1260 Oil Kings broadcasts. Kent will drop in to talk about the Spengler Cup, which goes over Christmas (first broadcast on Boxing day). Kent played in the tournament and will tell us about it.

Questions and comments welcome, @Lowetide_ on twitter and 10-1260 via text. We’re getting some hilarious stuff from you and I thank you for it. Stay tuned!

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  1. Lowetide says:

    Haha. Lordy. That’s horrible.

  2. GordM says:

    “But this is our hill, and these are our beans”

  3. theres oil in virginia says:

    Oh, I get it now. Bill Daly meant: “This is the hill of beans we will die on”, during the lockout.

  4. PhrankLee says:

    Let’s package Gagner, Hemsky and Omark for Shea Weber, That bridge in Brooklyn and Kate Smith’s undying love and attention.

    Nothing from nothing means nothing, indeed, Mr. Preston.

  5. wunderbar says:

    PhrankLee:
    Let’s package Gagner, Hemsky and Omark for Shea Weber, That bridge in Brooklyn and Kate Smith’s undying love and attention.

    Nothing from nothing means nothing, indeed, Mr. Preston.

    The odds of Nashville taking that kind of deal are approximately one less than zero. Why would they trade their franchise for a 40 point/year center who can’t play defense in Gagner (when Nashville is a defense first team) an expiring contract him Hemsky(when Nashville is a budget team who doesn’t take on rentals), and Linus Omark (after Nashville had the entire Radulov debacle).

    Not going to happen.

  6. Pouzar says:

    A lot riding on Nurse here. We to hit on this pick and I think we have a grand slam here.

  7. Hammers says:

    I guess it tells us Corsi like most stats isn’t the end all . When you assign things like Corsi or plus minus there are intangables that can’t be included . It’s a team sport with 5 guys on the ice . One player makes a great play or a bonehead play and it affects all of them . Where it can help is over a half season . If the same 4-5 players allways show badly (Belanger) you must get rid of them or decide are you putting them in a position to continually fail . Sometimes I wonder if some of the stats actually contradict each other . I still go by eye, if I think an Acton isn’t cutting it he probably isn’t The stats back those thing up .Glad they use everything available .

  8. jdubbs says:

    with the emergence of Seth Jones and Ryan Ellis sort of finding his stride, there has to be a trade with Nashville to get a Josi or Ekholm. not sure about Ekholm being a top pairing but Josi could definitely be if he didn’t have to play behind Weber and Now Jones. Bold moves.

    i really think the players are waiting for something to happen as well, their comments and body language and sporadic effort are starting to show that.

  9. sliderule says:

    I told my wife I would stop posting but there has been so much Gagner bashing I have to jump to his defence.
    I recorded the game and watched all the plays up to the goals.The defence were all falling on their ass and Yakupov and Gagner were in the zone but not engaging for the first goal.The blame fell on both defenceman and Gagner and Yakupov equally.This getting to the right spot yet not engaging either the puck carrier or a opposing forward isn’t exclusive to Gagners line.WTF are the coaches doing about that.
    The second goal was a weak clear by Gagner that got outside the line and should have been no problem if the whole team hadn’t gone for a change.When the whole team goes for a change it’s usually a call from the bench.If they didn’t call it they should have stopped it either on the ice or by coaching in practice.
    There was very little mention of the two blind pass turnovers right into slot that Hall made one of which should have resulted in a goal.To me this is another example of plays that Pee wee teams might do.WTF are the coaches telling them to do.
    We have forwards who are getting to right area in defensive zone and then seem to be frozen.We have forwards when they get the puck dump it blindly into their own slot.Are the coaches not seeing this?
    When they trade Gagner and Yakupov for a defenceman with bad ankles or some other hidden defect just watch how they perform under a real Nhl coaching staff.

  10. Andy P says:

    It seems to me that we may have as much as 4/5ths of what we need in place. We have a good GM and head coach, a good core of skilled young players, the likelihood of a good goalie tandem next year, and by looks, finally, a NHL calibre goalie that is capable of looking like an NHL goalie when occasionally asked to relieve our real NHL goalie.

    We no longer need a grand slam flush, but we have a GM in place who will know better than most of us combined, what their strategic needs are on defense and up front.

    So here’s the last big piece we need to fix: The Assistants. It’s pure crap to saddle Eakins with anyone except assistants of his own choosing. He’s tried these worthless goons in good faith and they have shown themselves all to be incompetent. Good people no doubt, certainly played some reasonable hockey bar the own goal, but not coaching material. They are the last common thread in our years of failure outside of the young core. Clean them out, give Eakins whoever he wants, and only then can we hold him accountable.

  11. PhrankLee says:

    wunderbar,

    What about the bridge? Kate Smith? Of course it is not going to happen.Tell the truth… you didnt read my whole comment… These guys have NO trade value the oilers can actually USE. They would have been dealt already were that the case. Im trying to mock the avalanche of unrealistic expectations of our justifiably bitter fans.

  12. RMGS says:

    Hammers: I guess it tells us Corsi like most stats isn’t the end all .

    That goes without saying.

    But, then again, I don’t take much from the scoring chance percentages noted in LT’s blog, especially with such a small series of events.

    The fact is that shot (attempt) and scoring chance totals positively correlate very strongly over a large sample size, so scoring chance data don’t say too much more.

    That said, there is a difference, but that difference seems to be practically insignificant. Whatever “edge” a team’s players may have in generating more scoring chances than their shot metrics predict is negligible and/or due to randomness.

    Read it for yourself: http://nhlnumbers.com/2012/6/26/shot-quality-revisited-a-look-at-the-correlation-between-scoring-chances-and-shot-totals.

    Of course, in reference to the Oilers, having the worst EV SV% in the league hasn’t helped.

  13. denny33 says:

    We keep talking about needing Defenceman and it is true. Especially a 1st pairing….

    But – I am wondering – shouldn’t our boat load of *highly skilled* forwards be able to drive the bus?(not always but predominantly )

    On the radio today it said the Pitsburgh Penguins were on a winning streak. In fact, 9-1-0 in the last 10 games.

    But what if their top defenceman was out. And their 2nd best Defenceman. And their 3rd best defenceman. Nah….yep even their 4th best defenceman..

    I am not sure if I have ever heard of a team missing BOTH of its top pairings?

    But wait – how about a 5th D-man lost – in Engelland to suspension?

    Delete the 1st pairing
    Delete the 2nd pairing.

    Still winning….incredible.

  14. goldenchild says:

    Where is that pic from? Oil Change episode?

    If they are using the adv stats then you would think Gagner’s last 2 seasons have to be worrisome, add that to what were seeing on the goals against and its kind of a damning picture with 89 at center. If they move him to RW is he ever going to be a better winger than 83? I don’t think the coach thinks he will.

    The last week or so the group has looked stronger, wins haven’t come but the games have been competitive and we see things beginning to trend the right way. At least its worth tuning in to, there was a stretch where the games were unbearable to watch. Have to believe Hall will turn it around and be much better here, loved his last 2 periods in LA.

    The roster holes on back end are real and not going to be fixed overnight but I like everything the coach says and outside of a few strange choices – (Gagner on point of PP? why is this a thing? Archo Benching) Like the way he deploys the group.
    I think we see a much better last 40 then the first 40 games, they will dig themselves out of the basement and pick somewhere after 10th and then the real work happens in the off season. Or at least that’s what I hope happens.

  15. wunderbar says:

    PhrankLee,

    Honestly. It is the internet. You can never be sure what is real and what isn’t. And you wouldn’t be surprised what some people think we can trade to get a Weber or a Subban.

  16. VanOil says:

    goldenchild:
    Where is that pic from? Oil Change episode?

    Wait Jaclyn Smith was in Oil Change?
    Kate Smith and the Brooklyn bridge are Oilers assets?
    Linus is sick of Lucy picking on him?
    What is next, are you going to tell me the Great Pumpkin is real?

    All probably more realistic than the Team acquiring a Stud D man during the Hall era or having a wining record.

  17. jakethesnake says:

    How about this deal. Gagner and Yak or Ebs plus first round pick in 2015 to the Jets for a resigned Big Buff and Ladd. They get skill and speed and we get our big top 6 forward and top 2 dman.

  18. bones says:

    Good John McClane, LT :)

  19. Andy P says:

    How about Buchberger, Smith and Chabot for some competent assistants?

  20. russ99 says:

    I just can’t understand why the “braintrust” is so ready to throw away Omark – a point per game scorer in the AHL, and yet gives chance after chance to little-talent pluggers like Jones, Eager, Gazdic, Acton and Joensuu…

    We can’t score, so yeah – let’s trade our only offensive player in OKC who can help the big club for 25-50 cents on the dollar…

  21. Gret99zky says:

    Andy P,

    4/5ths? 80% of what we need is in place? The Oilers are sitting 29th in a 30 team league.

    Sorry, but I can’t agree with your analysis.

    I wish I had your optimism, Andy.

    Let me guess.

    We need to be patient, right? We need to wait for something wonderful to happen.

    It will all work out if we only give it some time?

    Hmmm. Okay.

  22. FastOil says:

    You guys are too hard on the assistants. Everyone has to learn on the job the first time.

  23. Derek says:

    I like it when people can laugh at themselves. I wish there were some way to play this on the big screen at the next home game:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DIFeOkD_dc

    Apologies if this has already been posted.

  24. Rosco says:

    Gagner, Yak and a 2nd tier prospect D (i.e. Musil or Gernat) for Henrique and Larsson… Add in Schultz for Volchenkov if they want to get out of that contract.

    You could somehow work a deal out of that group of players, and if New Jersey really wanted the Oiler’s 1st pick other pieces could be added or taken away. Helps both teams I think.

  25. RexLibris says:

    Derek:
    I like it when people can laugh at themselves.I wish there were some way to play this on the big screen at the next home game:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DIFeOkD_dc

    Apologies if this has already been posted.

    God.

    I want to die.

    Thanks for that.

    ;)

  26. Thinker says:

    I’m getting close to Nordiqueing this team. Trade em Hall, Eberle last one of them must go!

  27. spoiler says:

    LT,

    I don’t think Kelly by herself is going to cut it. We need Jill and Sabrina on this case too.

  28. hankster says:

    Stop this magic pill wishing already !
    Some organizations suffered for over a decade before they finally became solid contenders, ie, Chicago, LA and Anaheim. Looking at Chicago, lots of people here only see their players and say wish we had their players etc. But oiler fans need to recognize there’s more than just the players on the ice for any given season…winning comes from the owner down to training staff and everyone in between. Using Chicago again, they brought in competent winners who knows what it takes to win like scotty bowman as a consultant. Set expectations for the entire organization with repercussions if you fail to perform. Kevin Lowe would have maxed out at GM level in any organization. It’s unfortunate that he fluked out for one year which allowed his incompetence to carry on for seven years with no end in sight. Oiler fans will continue to suffer until real changes are made and with repercussions for failure to perform, again. There’s no punishment for players continually making mistakes on this team. Which says a lot about how the organization is run…

    Please stop these stupid Weber/Crosby/(insert big name here) for a bag of pucks trade proposals that magically transform the team. Lets imagine, Crosby scores 3 goals for the oilers every night but we let in 4 goals meanwhile. Losing streak drags on. The first trade we need is Kevin lowe and his two clowns on the bus for one puck.

  29. spoiler says:

    hankster: Stop this magic pill wishing already !Some organizations suffered for over a decade before they finally became solid contenders, ie, Chicago, LA and Anaheim.

    This reiterates exactly what the TV pundits were saying… actual rebuilds take 8-10 years to build the critical mass of vet talent needed so that you have a self-sustainingly good team.

  30. 8p0intgame says:

    Thinker,

    The order I would trade the core is…
    Eberle because he is a complimentary player in the sense that he doesn’t “drive the bus” and is overpaid.
    Hall because, from what I hear about other night’s game, he made quite a few bad plays but his post-game comments made it sound like he blamed his teammates for the loss.
    Yakupov because he’s still too young to know what we have in him yet.
    Nugent-Hopkins because he is currently a very good second line centre and PP specialist. He plays a good two-way game and can potentially become a very good 1C.

    On a side note: Would Florida do Kulikov for J. Schultz straight across? Essentially an RFA d-man swap.

  31. denny33 says:

    russ99,

    I just can’t understand why the “braintrust” is so ready to throw away Omark – a point per game scorer in the AHL, and yet gives chance after chance to little-talent pluggers like Jones, Eager, Gazdic, Acton and Joensuu…
    We can’t score, so yeah – let’s trade our only offensive player in OKC who can help the big club for 25-50 cents on the dollar…
    *****************************************************
    Exactly – Omark is not exactly producing points with young blue chip prospects as his linemates down in OKC either.

    It would be novel to give him 10 games with some of our top talent. Or given we were out of playoff contention in October – how about giving Omark the rest of the season as a tryout / showcase for other NHL Games?

    Again, not saying he is the answer to our problems – but if a guy is producing and we are terrible anyway?

    Omark is not going to make this team worse – of that we can be sure…

  32. Caramel Obvious says:

    The thing to remember with corsi numbers is that defensemen will always have lower percentages than forwards because their quality of teammates is always going to be lower (because they have to play with the fourth line but Hall and company do not).

    This makes it more difficult to glean individual quality out of the group number.

  33. PhrankLee says:

    wunderbar,

    Agreed. I wonder sometimes if this gaping void between real and perceived value of these players is our collective feeling that we deserve an unfair return for them because we have suffered those players for their entire pro career? Is this club so systemically toxic that we cannot even be a source, anymore, of quality NHL players? They have value, of course, as experienced NHL players. I just pray that for the first time in what feels like forever, we trade NHL players for NHL players. MacT shot his mouth off and so did Eakins and that did NOT help.

  34. Melman says:

    hankster,

    I’m pretty sure it’s been more than a decade. 1 miraculous lightning in a bottle run (where they squeaked in only b/c Van. collapsed) in what 15 years. Everybody is stuck on the no playoffs since 2006, but it’s worse than that – first round fodder for Dallas in ’01 and ’03. That’s it.

    We are the Chicago Cubs of the NHL

  35. LMHF#1 says:

    Melman:
    hankster,

    I’m pretty sure it’s been more than a decade.1 miraculous lightning in a bottle run (where they squeaked in only b/c Van. collapsed) in what 15 years.Everybody is stuck on the no playoffs since 2006, but it’s worse than that – first round fodder for Dallas in ’01 and ’03.That’s it.

    We are the Chicago Cubs of the NHL

    I’m far from an Oilers management apologist and do not dispute the ineptitude going back to 1998, but don’t insult that 2006 team. That was one hell of a roster by the end of the year.

  36. art vandelay says:

    I bet Blackhawks and Bruins fans don’t sit around fapping over Corgis. They’re too busy cheering for winning teams.

  37. Logan91 says:

    art vandelay:
    I bet Blackhawks and Bruins fans don’t sit around fapping over Corgis. They’re too busy cheering for winning teams.

    Hahah, this is the best comment I’ve ever seen.

  38. Gret99zky says:

    Melman:
    hankster,

    We are the Chicago Cubs of the NHL

    This is so true.

  39. Thinker says:

    LMHF#1,

    With all do respect to that team, as they will always have a place in my heart, but they weren’t anything other than underdogs. So was Carolina for that matter, it was a crazy year. We got hot at the right time. The biggest evidence for this is that no player save pronger has been the same before or since the run. I credit MacT’s coaching (the trap), and roloson, and the hot hands like pisani.
    That 06 team is not the team you aim to be, unless you are looking for disappointment 8/10 times. We have to be better than that team if our ultimate goal is what I think it is.

  40. Andy P says:

    Gret99zky:
    Andy P,

    4/5ths?80% of what we need is in place?The Oilers are sitting 29th in a 30 team league.

    Sorry, but I can’t agree with your analysis.

    I wish I had your optimism, Andy.

    Let me guess.

    We need to be patient, right?We need to wait for something wonderful to happen.

    It will all work out if we only give it some time?

    Hmmm.Okay.

    It boils down to foundation rather than cladding. You have to have the correct strategic pieces in place before you can expect success with the outcome. We’re not going to get what we need out of the players on this team until our front line coaching is at least as good as the top 10 teams in the league
    While not pretending to be expert, it is obvious even to me that the players who arrive are almost universally better coached than the ones we have. We have players who did well else where and we have a Coach who did well elsewhere – albeit in the A – but the most vital link has been a constant in a losing team, and we have the results staring us in the face.
    So I’m saying that there is of course space for better players in order to consistently beat teams like the Clucks, the Ducks and the Lucks. But even a Pronger can’t make this whole team improve like a competent team of assistants can.
    So rather than patience I’m suggesting we clean house, let Eakins bring in his own assistants, then see what happens. Sooner rather than later, rather than trading Nuge Taylor and Yak for various hills of beans.

  41. PaperKurtRussell says:

    I agree with the general sentiment about trading Smid when we so desperately need actual NHL defensemen. I have a theory, or rather a hope, that MacT is clearing cap space for a deal he has in his back pocket that will be made in the offseason. (i.e. our first round pick for a really expensive awesome D-man) The deal is there, but the other team cannot afford to do it during the season. Just a hope…. I mean c’mon, this is a smart GM we’re talking about with a MBA. They don’t give those to just anybody. I mean, look how smart this guy looks:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcoDV0dhWPA

  42. rickithebear says:

    Chances?

    Depends how they define chances % of Corsi or % of shots.

    Chances are a poor version of location review of Shots or Corsi.

    You guys are getting closer?

    You will gradually get there LT!

  43. Thinker says:

    PaperKurtRussell,

    I’m skeptical. If that were the case why not trade smid at the trade deadline when his value is higher. I think if anything, he had a deal that fell through. I also don’t really think that his education makes him smart. Book smart and real life smart are totally different. Not to mention, we don’t know if he just barely passed. I don’t distrust MacT yet, but he still has to earn my trust. The summer moves were great, the fall ones were bad. One step forward two steps back.

  44. HiddenDarts says:

    Derek,

    Thanks for posting that. Don’t think I’ve laughed that hard in a long time.

    Seriously: what happened to that dynamic 2010-2011 team, anyway?

  45. PaperKurtRussell says:

    Thinker,

    Yes, good point… the value back was a bit weak for 2013. They must rate Brossoit very highly. Still stinks that we have absolutely no muscle on the back end. A pairing of 2008 Gator and Souray would sure look good. Also, a guy like Pitkanen would look awfully good playing with Petry. Maybe Joni would “fit in” better with this group… :-)

  46. bones says:

    Try as I might to enjoy the Dave Jamieson show, spector’s lap dog drives me friggin mental! Constantly interrupting and talking over the host… I wouldn’t mind if he had some actual insight. He could learn a few things from Halley n Storms n Eric!

  47. Doomoil says:

    Thinker:
    LMHF#1,

    With all do respect to that team, as they will always have a place in my heart, but they weren’t anything other than underdogs. So was Carolina for that matter, it was a crazy year. We got hot at the right time. The biggest evidence for this is that no player save pronger has been the same before or since the run. I credit MacT’s coaching (the trap), and roloson, and the hot hands like pisani.
    That 06 team is not the team you aim to be, unless you are looking for disappointment 8/10 times. We have to be better than that team if our ultimate goal is what I think it is.

    This is wrong. They were a VERY good team with historically bad goaltending. Give us that roster today and league average goaltending and we aren’t talking about lottery picks.

  48. Brackenburied says:

    Thinker:
    PaperKurtRussell,

    Thinker:
    PaperKurtRussell,

    I’m skeptical. If that were the case why not trade smid at the trade deadline when his value is higher. I think if anything, he had a deal that fell through. I also don’t really think that his education makes him smart. Book smart and real life smart are totally different. Not to mention, we don’t know if he just barely passed. I don’t distrust MacT yet, but he still has to earn my trust. The summer moves were great, the fall ones were bad. One step forward two steps back.

    “I also don’t really think that his education makes him smart.”
    “Not to mention, we don’t know if he just barely passed.”
    Bit of a contradiction, no?

  49. rickithebear says:

    I am hoping Smids cap space gets us:

    3 of the 5 best Dman at preventing shots from the chance areas.

    M. fayne 26yr 6’3″ 210LB 1st Comp 1.93GA/60
    8.0% of all shots are goals
    15.5% 0-20ft (chance area) shots are goals
    27.2% of shots are from the Chance area. (0-20ft)

    M. Fistric 27yr 6’2″ 235lb 2nd/3rd Comp 1.78GA/60
    7.4% golas
    14.0% shots are goals from chance area.
    26.7% of shotsa re from chance area.

    R. Klesla 31yr 6’3′ 223lb 1st comp (2.31 GA/60)
    7.0% goals from all shots
    13.5% shotsare goals from (0-20Ft)
    29.4% of shots from Chance area.

    Last year when i stated i liked Fistric and thought he was dominate. I could not verbalize how to describe what i was seeing and could finally show with math.

    Thru time the box was allways described as important in scoring.
    we want the guys who
    “go to the net”

    the great dmen prevented others ability to ” get to the net.”
    At the start of the year Eakins put an empasis on pressuring the puck.
    which ignored protecting the (box).
    Funnel really when you analyze the x,y data.

    Thru history good teams prevent shooters from raleasing the puck in the funnel (box) at less than Aproximatly 20ft.

    The dmen who have
    1. a low overal goals/shot %;
    2. low (chances area) goals/shot %
    3. low % of shots from inside 20ft
    usually have
    1. a dominate physical presence
    2. stick length and lane control
    3. pocession turnover skillls.
    4. Blocking ability

    Mark fistric, Smid, and Petry were that last year
    Fistric was that the year before in Dallas.
    Sadly the schultzes were a freeway to chances city.

    This year Ference is
    6.9% g/sh Ovr
    14.3% g/sh chances area 0-20ft
    23.5% of shats are from 0-20ft

    N. schultz
    6.9% g/sh ovr
    11.6 g/sh 0-20ft (chances area)
    28.0% of shots are from the chances area.

    N. schultz is doing well without J. schultz.
    Why?

    J. Schultz
    11.2% ovr
    21.1 chances area
    30.3 from chances area.

    It becomes very simple to see that Justin schultz is a dman that lets players enter into the chances zone and allows them time and space to be more successful in the chances zone.

    the average save % of starters is .914 to .916
    meaning the overall shooting% is 8.4 to 8.6%

    schultz is giving up 11.2%
    that is 31% more goals than the average shooting %
    a 2.50GA/60 goalie will have a 3.27GA/60
    it corelates withbehind the net real well.

    what also stands out is when you have an exceptional dman at preventing entry to the box/funnel.
    the shot distribution chart will show a higher volume to the off dman’s side. unless they are both exceptional.

    See:
    Chara-Boychuck
    jackman-polak
    Smid-Petry

    I would like us to get Dmen who can keep the competition to the outside.
    Klesla-Fayne
    Ference-Belov
    Fistric-Petry

    If J. Schultz , Klefbom, Nurse, et el. break into this group.
    They will have earned it.

  50. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Eakins’ Presser:

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=515380&catid=4

    couple of items of note: he uses MacT’s line “play dies on his stick” about JJ; in doing so, he fights off Matty’s suggestion that size is a good option vs. LAK and goes back to puck possession line; He challenges +/- and notes empty net goals; he talks again about having the puck being the best defense.

    ———-
    On the screengrab from above (Peron’s corsi-rel)… you have to know some flack was looking for “positive” stats to cite and that probably drove the decision to use the graphic… but still, it is great to see “corsi” being considered among the stats the PR team looks at.

  51. Bank Shot says:

    Doomoil: This is wrong. They were a VERY good team with historically bad goaltending. Give us that roster today and league average goaltending and we aren’t talking about lottery picks.

    Well both Detroit and Ottawa were around +100 in goal differential that year, so they were the VERY good clubs that season.

    Oilers would have been around 8-13th in goal differential with average goaltending.

    While that’s a pretty good squad, if the current Oilers top out at that level after 7-8 years agony, then the rebuild has to be considered an abject failure.

    LMHF#1 is right in that we should be looking for the Oilers to be better then that 05/06 team. Phoenix has gotten into that range essentially by picking up a good coach and veteran castoffs. If we trolled for 1st overall picks to become Phoenix……..

  52. spoiler says:

    Doomoil: With all do respect to that team, as they will always have a place in my heart, but they weren’t anything other than underdogs. So was Carolina for that matter, it was a crazy year. We got hot at the right time. The biggest evidence for this is that no player save pronger has been the same before or since the run. I credit MacT’s coaching (the trap), and roloson, and the hot hands like pisani.
    That 06 team is not the team you aim to be, unless you are looking for disappointment 8/10 times. We have to be better than that team if our ultimate goal is what I think it is.
    This is wrong. They were a VERY good team with historically bad goaltending. Give us that roster today and league average goaltending and we aren’t talking about lottery picks.

    This. As has been well-documented on this blog prior to those very playoffs and in the years of misery since.

  53. rickithebear says:

    Corsi are ameasure of forwards not to turn over the puck and Dmen to pressure the atacking team at the blue line and along the boards.
    Chances are a weak measure of the resulting corsi that make it near the net and are from inside the funnel. it does not measure a dmans abilty to prevent the resulting entries from being chances as a %.

    Outside te 20-25ft perimeter of the funnel/box is more a measure of the forward pressure or ability.

    Corsi is affected by(in order of importance)

    1. strategy for zone entry
    2. face-off %
    3. Forward dictated pocesion in the ozone.
    4. Defensive pressure on zone entry and near the box.
    5. Forward pressure on top of box and at the blue.

    we know a pocession gained in the ozone will yield a shot 50% of the time.
    Outside the ozone it will be 37% of the time.

    it was stated that there are about 140 atacking pocessions in a game.
    if each team gets 70 then all Ozone based would yield 35 shots.
    All non ozone based would yield 26 shots.

    Personal zone start has some affect on corsi as well as the FO% when a player is in a specific zone
    .
    Line utilization is critical to a players corsi.
    Players who come off the bench with team pocession in there zone. ie (attacking)
    should have a better corsi
    than players who role off the bench to defend against pocession lost in the opposition zone or a dump in.

    Pocession turnover rates for individual players affect the corsi of a line.
    A standard worse case we should expect a +/- on shots of 9 corsi can be larger than that. Dependent on the corsi per pocession ratio.
    All corsi does is tell us that a more pucks are directed at the net.

    Break it down by these factors that influence it. you will get a better idea mhy corsi numbers are were they are.

    I ask that corsi be broken down into a series of columns of pocession identification.

    Corsi from turnover. A player turns over the puck and goes off the ice. the resulting attack gets a puck directed (1st phase) and rebound puck directed (2nd phase) and save stop of pocession.
    the players on the ice get a corsi measure of -2 but it was not from there turnover.
    the player that went off should get a corsi turnoverozone value of -2.

    the players on the ice should get a neutral pocesion change corsi of -2. the natural wave of pocesion attacks a that occur.

    A player turns over pocesion in there dzone and a turnover Dzone corsi of -1 is added to the contributing players.

    A draw is lost in your defensive zone and a puck is directed at the net. A FO lost corsi of -1 can be added to the columns based on zone.
    zone, Neutral zone, Ozone.

    these corsi columns would have value!

  54. VanOil says:

    Established #1D are probably unattainable. Emerging #1 D are a gamble so I would like to spread the risk with the following trades:

    Toronto Jake Gardnier + 2nd round pick for Sam Gagner + Nick Schultz

    Florida Dmitri Kulikov + Shawn Matthias for Martin Marincin + Philip Larsen + Ryan Jones + conditional 2nd (Toronto) upon Kulikov signing

    NYI Brock Nelson + (a salaryNYI want to dump) for Devan Dubnyk + Linus Omark

    Kulikov and Gardnier stand a chance of becoming good defenders soon and one of them might prove to be better than good. Nelson and Matthias replace Smyth and Gagner in the Oilers top 9 blender adding defensive responsibility and size that is good enough to play with skill.

    Preserves 1st round pick for Rom’s German friend to replace Gagner after a couple years of committee work by Acro/Nelson/Matthias. Sign UFA goal tender in the summer to compete/backup Bryz (Scrivens)

  55. bookje says:

    Logan91: Hahah, this is the best comment I’ve ever seen.

    Welcome to the internet. In the future, you should read from the top of the page down.

  56. denny33 says:

    Dallas Eakins – How much more do you have to see of Sam Gagner at 2C?

    Cult of Hockey –

    #89 Sam Gagner, 1. Gagner had a hand in every single goal against the Oilers. On the first, he won the initial draw but after a defensive zone turnover didn’t get much done. He had one chance to take the puck from Anze Kopitar and lost that battle, then skated around in circles on the left side faceoff dot while the play carried on around him and ultimately didn’t take the goal-scorer who was alone at the side of the net despite being the closest Oiler. On the second, he made a terrible clearing attempt that ended up in Kings hands just outside the blue line, at which point he and everybody else inexplicably went for a line change. The third was the empty net goal with Gagner at the top of the offensive zone with possession – he had Justin Schultz set for a one-timer with no coverage (Drew Doughty had skated out but fallen back) and two Kings forwards in front of him so naturally rather than pass he blasted it directly ahead, it was blocked, and L.A. polished off the game; it’s hard to know but with a little bit of luck that move could be the difference between 3-0 and 2-1 with almost a minute left. The cherry on top of this sundae? The Oilers tied the Kings 9-9 in scoring chances with Gagner off the ice at five-on-five,****** but were out-chanced 7-2 with him on.*****

  57. Logan91 says:

    bookje: Welcome to the internet.In the future, you should read from the top of the page down.

    Welcome to the internet… Where people often get butt hurt over nothing, and don’t understand sarcasm or humor.

  58. Derek says:

    denny33:
    Dallas Eakins – How much more do you have to see of Sam Gagner at 2C?

    Cult of Hockey –

    #89 Sam Gagner, 1. Gagner had a hand in every single goal against the Oilers. On the first, he won the initial draw but after a defensive zone turnover didn’t get much done. He had one chance to take the puck from Anze Kopitar and lost that battle, then skated around in circles on the left side faceoff dot while the play carried on around him and ultimately didn’t take the goal-scorer who was alone at the side of the net despite being the closest Oiler. On the second, he made a terrible clearing attempt that ended up in Kings hands just outside the blue line, at which point he and everybody else inexplicably went for a line change. The third was the empty net goal with Gagner at the top of the offensive zone with possession – he had Justin Schultz set for a one-timer with no coverage (Drew Doughty had skated out but fallen back) and two Kings forwards in front of him so naturally rather than pass he blasted it directly ahead, it was blocked, and L.A. polished off the game; it’s hard to know but with a little bit of luck that move could be the difference between 3-0 and 2-1 with almost a minute left. The cherry on top of this sundae? The Oilers tied the Kings 9-9 in scoring chances with Gagner off the ice at five-on-five,****** but were out-chanced 7-2 with him on.*****

    I find your insatiable love of the asterisk quite disturbing.

  59. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    VanOil:
    Established #1D are probably unattainable. Emerging #1 D are a gamble so I would like to spread the risk with the following trades:

    Toronto Jake Gardnier + 2nd round pick for Sam Gagner + Nick Schultz

    Florida Dmitri Kulikov + Shawn Matthias for Martin Marincin + Philip Larsen + Ryan Jones + conditional 2nd (Toronto) upon Kulikov signing

    NYI Brock Nelson + (a salaryNYI want to dump) for Devan Dubnyk + Linus Omark

    Kulikov and Gardnier stand a chance of becoming good defenders soon and one of them might prove to be better than good. Nelson and Matthias replace Smyth and Gagner in the Oilers top 9 blender adding defensive responsibility and size that is good enough to play with skill.

    Preserves 1st round pick for Rom’s German friend to replace Gagner after a couple years of committee work by Acro/Nelson/Matthias. Sign UFA goal tender in the summer to compete/backup Bryz (Scrivens)

    One of the more confusing things in the great search for D is MacT’s cross-eyed signals.

    In the Summer he says he’s looking for vet D in the (IIRC) 26 and up range. Recently he said he wanted ELC or RFA D, which implies several years younger.

    If the latter is the current thinking, Gardiner and Kulikov make a lot of sense… but they also probably tell us that the D corps is going full Chaos Inc. for a few years and hoping it settles itself out.

    Another possibility — which is very real considering the lack of NHL depth — is that both are very real targets for MacT, i.e., he’d love to land one of Erhoff or Dion, or Campbell, etc. AND one of Gardiner or Kulikov etc.

    At any rate, if he can dramatically improve this team on D without losing one of the 4 kids or the 1st rounder that will be a real feat.

  60. Pouzar says:

    8p0intgame:
    Thinker,

    The order I would trade the core is…
    Eberle because he is a complimentary player in the sense that he doesn’t “drive the bus” and is overpaid.

    Dumbest and most overused frickin narrative on the internet today is that Eberle “doesn’t drive the bus” and he’s “overpaid”. So sick of hearing it. He’s not overpaid. The kid is a 65 – 70 pt scorer right now and the contract will only get better(salary cap is going up up up). Go back to the last full year in the NHL and count the number of 70 pt scorers there were. Then count how many guys were above that benchmark and then go back and count how many Oilers have been around it in the last 10 years. And he certainly does “drive the bus”. Ask Staples(“scoring chances” whether you like his analysis or not ) and/or Parkatti.

    Tired of the HFOilesque “hit and run” narratives without a single thread of evidence to back it up.

  61. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    1 hour ago
    @TSNBobMcKenzie: Check out TSN SportsCentre tonite, @RodSmithTSN takes fancy new SC set/graphics for first drive. Tells me he has beer tap there somewhere.

    The weird TSN = flashy production, less content; SN = more content, terrible production thing continues.

  62. hags9k says:

    Pouzar,

    Agree 100%. I’m starting to hear people complain about him defensively now which is garbage too. He’s a very very good player. I’m getting tired of the same complaints you are. And tired of Hall >>>>Ebs. And I throw my hands in the air when I see Hemsky>Ebs or Yak>Ebs. Ebs is in the conversation for MVP like he has been every year since he arrived. Once Gagner is sent away this stuff will only ramp up further.

  63. RexLibris says:

    VanOil: Established #1D are probably unattainable. Emerging #1 D are a gamble so I would like to spread the risk with the following trades:Toronto Jake Gardnier + 2nd round pick for Sam Gagner + Nick Schultz

    I’m thinking I may have to boycott the intertubes because every time I see something about the Leafs shopping Gardiner I want to scream “…for Gagner” from the rafters. I know the move would thin the center ranks, but a trade of Gagner and a prospect or bottom six forward for something like Gardiner and Kulemin moves this roster closer to balanced.

    I want to grab the steering wheel like an anxious father watching his son learn to drive.

    Also because I know that another GM could scoop him up for pennies on the dollar (read: Burke) and in the event that Nurse, Klefbom, or Marincin don’t develop as planned we’ll be kicking ourselves later.

    Alas, I wait with bated breath…

  64. Pouzar says:

    hags9k:
    Pouzar,

    Agree 100%.I’m starting to hear people complain about him defensively now which is garbage too.He’s a very very good player.I’m getting tired of the same complaints you are.And tired of Hall >>>>Ebs.And I throw my hands in the air when I see Hemsky>Ebs or Yak>Ebs.Ebs is in the conversation for MVP like he has been every year since he arrived.Once Gagner is sent away this stuff will only ramp up further.

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/10/23/jordan-eberle-making-his-move/

  65. Lowetide says:

    I’m not sure Gagner is the player Toronto needs. They have some troubles at center, Kadri-Bolland should be a solid 1-2 and Bolland as a 3 is gold. But, for me, if they’re devoted to Bozak then adding Gagner is not wise.

    And Gagner is not playing well. at all.

  66. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    I’m not sure Gagner is the player Toronto needs. They have some troubles at center, Kadri-Bolland should be a solid 1-2 and Bolland as a 3 is gold. But, for me, if they’re devoted to Bozak then adding Gagner is not wise.

    And Gagner is not playing well. at all.

    I think that is right.

    For all the headaches we have about Oiler mgt. chasing “size” and “intangibles” etc. the Leaves and Carlyle love this stuff.

    I wonder if they miss Grabo and Colborne now? At any rate, I’d be surprised if they didn’t shoot for a more accountable and/or sizey C than Gagner.

  67. Thinker says:

    Pouzar,

    Whoa, I would never trade eberle, unless the other team overpaid massively. I was just venting.

  68. Old School G says:

    Honest question. Who has “leaked” that Jake Gardiner is available?

  69. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Old School G:
    Honest question. Who has “leaked” that Jake Gardiner is available?

    The Gardiner avail has been constant for the last two years. The most recent case comes from “rival management sources” via Dreger:

    Following back-to-back bad games resulting in a benching against the Panthers, Jake Gardiner’s availability has once again become topical. Nonis insists he’s not shopping Gardiner, but rival management sources say Gardiner’s name has been brought up by Toronto in trade discussions in Nonis’s search for a top-six forward.

    http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/darren_dreger/?id=439329

  70. Old School G says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: The Gardiner avail has been constant for the last two years. The most recent case comes from “rival management sources” via Dreger:

    http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/darren_dreger/?id=439329

    Thanks Rom! I think Gardiner could be part of the solution, I like it.

  71. sliderule says:

    Trade for Gardiner so we can have Schultz Larsson and Gardiner.

    All three could not win one board battle and pin a forward

    Madness

  72. Old School G says:

    sliderule:
    Trade for Gardiner so we can haveSchultz Larsson and Gardiner.

    All three could not win one board battle and pin a forward

    Madness

    Jason Smith is held in high regard with me, love his brand of hockey. Having three mobile, offensive defenders with Ference, who I feel is an effective defender, and two bigger more physical defenders sounds about right to me. You?

  73. Lowetide says:

    Please refrain from posting unfounded rumors that involve personal lifestyle of the players. Unfounded rumors that involve personal lifestyle of other posters is welcome and encouraged.

  74. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    Please refrain from posting unfounded rumors that involve personal lifestyle of the players. Unfounded rumors that involve personal lifestyle of other posters is welcome and encouraged.

    The checkout girl at my favorite hat shop informed me that you only wear berets. You sick creature!

    (also, feel free to take down my other comment quoting that comment)

  75. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Kris Baker ‏@SabresProspects 5m
    So now the Sabres two Swedes named Linus – Omark and Ullmark. Ullmark officially now referred to as Linus the Goalie.

    Miguel D’Aoust ‏@Daoust30 2m
    Welcome to the Sabres Lanus Omark #Sabres

  76. stener says:

    omark to buffalo for a conditional sixth… I wonder what the conditions on the pick are

  77. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    stener:
    omark to buffalo for a conditional sixth… I wonder what the conditions on the pick are

    Probably # of NHL games played.

  78. SpotTheLoon says:

    Wishing Omark well. He deserves a shot and Buffalo should give him an opportunity to play in a top six role.

  79. bookje says:

    Logan91: Welcome to the internet… Where people often get butt hurt over nothing, and don’t understand sarcasm or humor.

    Your statement is confusing. I’ve been on the internet for a while. Also, please explain your reference to butt-hurt. Also, are you sure that you have never missed sarcasm. I think I know of one possible case that recently occurred.

    Also, all of the Oilers are heroin crack addict whores.

    Lastly, I heard LT is secretly D.S.F – they both know the same people…

  80. Kitchener says:

    stener:
    omark to buffalo for a conditional sixth… I wonder what the conditions on the pick are

    If Omark scores on two spinorama breakaways, the 6th rounder turns into two 1st rounders.

  81. VOR says:

    So what do we think? Girgensons, Larsson, and Omark as the 3rd/4th line in Buffalo. Corsi will love them!

  82. maudite says:

    It was 5 nights before Christmas
    Anne all through the bar
    Not a soul really cared
    What place oilers are
    When what did I hear
    O what a lark
    Nothing at all
    for Linus Omark
    So I drink up my beer
    And mutter in dread
    While visions of satan
    Dance in my head

  83. Caramel Obvious says:

    So LT was right, Omark needed an expansion team to make it to the NHL. Good for him.

  84. 8p0intgame says:

    @LOWETIDE:

    My apologizes for posting what I posted.

    Regardless, I still think the Oilers need a culture change and have believed so since Smid said the practices in Calgary are really hard.

  85. Moose says:

    Just perused the comments tonight, but Rickithebear is the first person I’ve heard stump for Mark Fayne, and I’m all aboard for that. Get your top pairing guy via trade, and make him our UFA target on the blue. RH, affordable and math likes him, size and can play up and down the lineup. If you can somehow get a top pairing guy without including Petry (a la the Brewer for Pronger swap) then a top 6 of say Erhoff (as an example), Petry, Ference, J. Schultz, Fayne, Belov would be a nice start to getting this thing turned around.

  86. Lowetide says:

    8p0intgame:
    @LOWETIDE:

    My apologizes for posting what I posted.

    Regardless, I still think the Oilers need a culture change and have believed so since Smid said the practices in Calgary are really hard.

    No worries. These things happen, it isn’t like there’s a big rulebook and you didn’t know.

  87. jake70 says:

    Will be interesting to see Ennis and Omark in Buffalo, couple of waterbugs.

  88. 8p0intgame says:

    Lowetide,

    Thanks for understanding. I didn’t intend to start anything, just wasn’t thinking when I posted. Being locked in a room with an anatomy textbook for 3 weeks really destroys your people skills. Haha

  89. stevezie says:

    Good for Linus. I don’t know whose dog he killed, but hopefully they’re over it now.

  90. Lowetide says:

    8p0intgame:
    Lowetide,

    Thanks for understanding. I didn’t intend to start anything, just wasn’t thinking when I posted. Being locked in a room with an anatomy textbook for 3 weeks really destroys your people skills. Haha

    It’s all good. That does sound like a punishing schedule!

  91. fifthcartel says:

    Does the conditional 6th rounder turn into Christian Ehrhoff under some circumstance?

  92. russ99 says:

    Jesus, 6th round pick? It sure would be nice to have competent management, for once.

    That’s worse than Barrie Moore, at least he played in the NHL.

    Hope Linus gets a coach who can work with him and he lights up the league, just like Miro Satan did.

  93. Old School G says:

    Open Forum. Credit to Gregor’s ON Article yesterday

    Who would be the Top 3 UFA Defencemen you would like MacT to sign?

  94. D says:

    Old School G:
    Open Forum. Credit to Gregor’s ON Article yesterday

    Who would be the Top 3 UFA Defencemen you would like MacT to sign?

    Phaneuf would be first choice, but not at those $7 million numbers being thrown around. So Girardi would be the second choice, although to pry him out of Manhattan to play in Edmonton would necessitate an overpay. Don’t really have a third one.

  95. fuzzy muppet says:

    Only the 4th line has looked decent so far.

    Nick Schultz isn’t very good

  96. Lowetide says:

    russ99:
    Jesus, 6th round pick? It sure would be nice to have competent management, for once.

    That’s worse than Barrie Moore, at least he played in the NHL.

    Hope Linus gets a coach who can work with him and he lights up the league, just like Miro Satan did.

    I think that’s pretty good considering he’s a free agent in the summer. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see the pick become a 7th if Omark doesn’t sign.

  97. 8p0intgame says:

    I am going to take a moment to post how I feel about the Oilers…

    I don’t get the opportunity to watch many games because I work a lot of night shifts so a lot of my opinions about the Oilers come from reading the game day threads here and at other blogs the following morning. A lot of the shine on Eberle, Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, and Yakupov wore off on the rare occasion I got to watch a game and it was a sloppy affair; the Oilers were absolutely demolished by the opposing team. It was disappointing and frustrating to watch after reading so many comments about the team doing all right despite the losses. Because I don’t follow the team particularly closely, I don’t have the opportunity to fall in love with any of the players so the Smid trade didn’t bother me much, all though I didn’t care for the return (I was reassured by Broissot’s potential though and I hope he pans out!). The most upsetting part about the trade was Smid saying practices in Calgary were “really hard”. I had hoped Eakins would be the guy to light a fire under the boys’ asses and I’m not screaming for his head, I just think he’s in too deep and needs experienced associates and assistants immediately. I want to see is some big trades, which many suggest are counterintuitive. I disagree as the team has gone 30-30-29-23 in the past 4 years and is currently sitting at 29th overall in the standings with little hope of improvement. I realize nothing will get the Oilers into the playoffs this year, but now is the time to begin putting the pieces in place for next year. Take the G Money approach to management and objectively review everyone involved with the team. I just want to see something done to improve the team…

  98. magisterrex says:

    Lowetide: I think that’s pretty good considering he’s a free agent in the summer. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see the pick become a 7th if Omark doesn’t sign.

    Considering NO ONE wanted Omark for the past two years, MacT got an amazing return. Something for nothing is good GMing in my book.

  99. Rebilled says:

    Decent.

  100. D says:

    HALL!!!!

  101. Pouzar says:

    Love to see Hall shoot it EVERY time.

  102. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    That kind of turbo would look sweet on Oly ice. Serious wheels.

  103. VanOil says:

    Game Day blog a Taylor Hall goal + a Linus trade and only 100ish posts. When die hard fans like those of us that populate these parts stop giving a damn it probably means the Oilers have sucked for too long and too hard.

  104. Derek says:

    Petry has looked like a pilon on several occasions now tonight and we’re not even out of the first.

  105. flyfish1168 says:

    After we play our 48th game it will interesting to compare with last years record of wins/losses, goals for /against, special teams play and position in the standings. Corsi is important but I feel its going to be inaccurate since there was to many games with more than 3 goal difference.

    I still believe in Ralph. He had a much shorter time to implement his system and his star players were one year younger.

  106. Rebilled says:

    Nice 2nd save there.

  107. leadfarmer says:

    Stupid retaliation penalty.

  108. Pouzar says:

    Gagner…the gift that keeps on f^cking us.

  109. leadfarmer says:

    I see Eakins has the blue with one foot on the blue line in the offensive zone. He is really out of his league.

  110. VanOil says:

    Gagner was spiting blood from Stansy on the up swing. He was retaliating for a shot to his jaw.

  111. Rebilled says:

    I think Eakins thinks that call was crazy. It certainly was. Change-o to a fiveski?

  112. Pouzar says:

    Rebilled:
    I think Eakins thinks that call was crazy. It certainly was. Change-o to a fiveski?

    If that doesn’t warrant 5 min then I don’t know what does. It was cross check to the face man.

  113. LostBoy says:

    That was a really weird penalty. Stastny tagged Gags first, though Sam had his head down and it probably wasn’t a penalty, you could argue incidental contact. Then a blind crosscheck sort of rides up. I don’t think you can say it was embellishment, but there was a definite tick before the face-slap crosscheck and Stastny whipping his head back and falling like a sniper shot him. Then they announce two for high sticking, and the other ref prevails, having called 5 and a game.

    Now, you can’t crosscheck somebody in the face, so I don’t really think a 5 minute major was unfair. But in the world of 5 and a game, that’s about the mildest 5 and a game I’ve ever seen. Stastny’s head didn’t move when he was hit, at all, he jerked it himself to draw the call.

  114. magisterrex says:

    Gagner’s stupidity somehow leaked onto Hall.

  115. 8p0intgame says:

    Old School G,

    After a quick look at the 2014 UFA list, I would re-sign Belov and, assuming we “win” every signing in fantasyland, I would sign Girardi and Nikitin.

    Girardi-Nikitin
    Belov-Petry
    Ference-J. Schultz

  116. fuzzy muppet says:

    This team is so dumb. Hall got a penalty for yapping at the refs as the period ended. Nice leadership

    Dumb dumb dumb

    5 on 3 for a full 2 minutes to start the second

  117. Lowetide says:

    Gagner is having a season to forget. Full value for the 5 and a game, too bad the ref didn’t get the Stastny portion.

  118. GordM says:

    Just saw a tweet about Matt Niskenen being +2 tonight and now up to +20…

    So Nieuwendyk traded Niskanen AND James Neal for Alex Goligoski…and he’s talking about not wanting the Flames GM job…buddy…take what you can get!

  119. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    Lowetide,

    I’m not a fan of Gagner, but it would help to get that toilet seat attached to his helmet off. That has to mess with your focus.

  120. GordM says:

    Thanks Leggo

    Did that go off Gordon’s leg?

  121. Rebilled says:

    Pouzar,

    They changed it from a 2 to a 5 and a game. I keep forgetting they can do that. And then a 2 for Hall. And a goal.

  122. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Seems like every feed I try totally lags. Anyone having any luck?

  123. Derek says:

    I wonder if anyone will remember how well Jultz played that 1 on 1 vs Duchene later when we’re talking about how disinterested and brain dead he looked tonight.

  124. GordM says:

    43.1 Checking from Behind – A check from behind is a check delivered on a player who is not aware of the impending hit, therefore unable to protect or defend himself, and contact is made on the back part of the body. When a player intentionally turns his body to create contact with his back, no penalty shall be assessed.

  125. SK Oiler Fan says:

    fin NHL. Landeskog was airborne to hit hall square in the number. Hall jumps right back up so no penalty. Dustin Brown would sell that call every time.

  126. Andy P says:

    flyfish1168: After we play our 48th game it will interesting to compare with last years record of wins/losses, goals for /against, special teams play and position in the standings. Corsi is important but I feel its going to be inaccurate since there was to many games with more than 3 goal difference.I still believe in Ralph. He had a much shorter time to implement his system and his star players were one year younger.

    Any comparison should be apples to apples. Has this team ever had a worse combination of injuries and crappy goaltending in the last 10 years?

  127. Rebilled says:

    GordM,

    The refs aren’t any kind of Hall or Oilers fan tonight.

  128. fishman says:

    GordM,

    Was thinking the same thing! Av’s will need to be guilty of manslaughter before they get a penalty. Really hate Eric Johnston but wished he played for us!

  129. gr8one says:

    8p0intgame:
    Lowetide,

    anatomy textbook

    Playboy or Hustler?

  130. Andy P says:

    fishman: GordM, Was thinking the same thing! Av’s will need to be guilty of manslaughter before they get a penalty. Really hate Eric Johnston but wished he played for us!

    Was it this blog that gave some stats on penalty called on us vs cnd games as opposed to us vs us or cdn vs cdn?

  131. Rebilled says:

    1st star.

  132. RexLibris says:

    That was all Hall.

    I was thinking a second before it happened “he’s flying out there right now”

  133. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    Gritensity by Hall.

  134. VanOil says:

    Don’t piss Hall off!!!

  135. fishman says:

    If we are lucky maybe Gags gets 5 games!

  136. SK Oiler Fan says:

    That’s a hard work goal. Need more of that.

  137. RexLibris says:

    On another note, that series where Hall got decked from behind, interesting that it was RNH who gave Landeskog the cross check in response.

    This is something I’ve noticed in his game, he’s got more fire than many give him credit for, certainly more sometimes than his linemates.

    I’ve seen him stop a goal celebration to cross check an opponent after a late shot. He has some bite beneath that calm exterior. I like that.

  138. RexLibris says:

    fishman:
    If we are lucky maybe Gags gets 5 games!

    then the Leafs are sure to trade for him

  139. Pouzar says:

    A 195 – 200 lb Nuge gonna be scary good. Nice work Messier

  140. crude says:

    That’s my favourite Hall moment maybe ever.

  141. Jon K says:

    Beauty sequence by Hall there.

  142. RexLibris says:

    Buffalo trades for Omark and scores 4 to win the game.

    Coincidence?

  143. Lowetide says:

    Hall angry is like Frank Mahovlich! And THAT’S a compliment!

  144. flyfish1168 says:

    Andy P: Any comparison should be apples to apples.Has this team ever had a worse combination of injuries and crappy goaltending in the last 10 years?

    48 games is not alot but there were times last year where goaltending was mediocre. I believe it evens out over the course. I still believe we give to much credit to Eakins and not enough for what Ralph did. Supposedly this team is better being one year older and a better 4th line. Just saying in my humble opinion we are no better as a team and may have regressed

  145. fuzzy muppet says:

    Terrible pinch by 15.

  146. fuzzy muppet says:

    didnt help that perron just lets his man go

  147. fishman says:

    Wow who was checking O’Reilly? ( obviously no one)

  148. VanOil says:

    Nate Mackinnon might have a future in the NHL

  149. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Just obsessed with watching and chasing the puck. The puck will not score by itself. Cover players, not the puck.

  150. RexLibris says:

    Nice play Bordeleau.

  151. Andy P says:

    flyfish1168: 48 games is not alot but there were times last year where goaltending was mediocre. I believe it evens out over the course. I still believe we give to much credit to Eakins and not enough for what Ralph did. Supposedly this team is better being one year older and a better 4th line. Just saying in my humble opinion we are no better as a team and may have regressed

    I did like Krueger. He did seem to me to make the best of what he was given, and I was looking forward to what he would do this season.
    But, given the relative lack of support from MacT, the terrible string of early season injuries, and Dubnyk’s collapse, I suspect he would have fared little better than Eakins and given his lack of support, may have been fired by now, and we would have passed on.

  152. RexLibris says:

    Why am I watching this?

  153. Pouzar says:

    Jezzuz Keerist

  154. fuzzy muppet says:

    There simply are no words to describe the ineptitude.

    Is it required for them to allow a shorthanded goal?

  155. RexLibris says:

    Lesson #1 – the Avalanche are more dangerous with Bordeleau in the penalty box.

  156. VanOil says:

    We really need to start declining powerplays

  157. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Bordeleau, what a dumb ass. Hey the PP plan has changed! oh, same result. The PP has to be getting outscored in the past 15 games. And another break!

  158. crude says:

    Goodness, are there ever a lot of things wrong with this team. Goaltending and D.
    Fuck sakes.

  159. Andy P says:

    No last line of defense there.

  160. RexLibris says:

    At least we can all agree that the Oilers are dangerous on the powerplay.

    Just for the wrong reasons.

  161. Rebilled says:

    Holy murder.

  162. leadfarmer says:

    I am glad Eakins came in and fixed this powerplay.

  163. fuzzy muppet says:

    WHO RUNS THE PP?? How does that person still have a job??

  164. crude says:

    This team just makes me laugh now. Ugh, what a mess!

  165. leadfarmer says:

    Interesting fact. The Oil are only +15 goal differential on the pp

  166. Lowetide says:

    Ghastly. Ghastly.

  167. Pouzar says:

    That was a dreadful pass by Schultz Jr. He had an easy dish back to Nuge on the half boards but throws it blindly cross ice. If we are going to allow SH goals can we please go back to 5 forwards on the PP then maybe we can score the odd one too.

  168. fishman says:

    leadfarmer,

    This team is broke and no mechanic in sight! Oh forgot we traded our leading AHL scorer for a 6 th round pick. That should do it.

  169. crude says:

    Who are the sports psychologists for the oilers? Hard working bunch…. Or, inept bunch.
    Or, worse, saboteurs.

  170. Andy P says:

    Its not the end of the world, everyone makes mistakes. Nobody can afford mistakes like that with DD in goal. I’ll give us a chance to win this if Bryz comes out in the 3rd.

  171. flyfish1168 says:

    Andy P: I did like Krueger. He did seem to me to make the best of what he was given, and I was looking forward to what he would do this season.
    But, given the relative lack of support from MacT, the terrible string of early season injuries, and Dubnyk’s collapse, I suspect he would have fared little better than Eakins and given his lack of support, may have been fired by now, and we would have passed on.

    If you look back we also had many injuries last year too. Plus we didn’t have Perron. So we can go back and forth with this debate. But the main thing is our key players are one year older and we have a better 4th line then last year. So as you should see excuses are useless. The most important is win losses and key areas in our game. With a real pre-season verses the small amount of time the players had to prepare for the season we should be better. Keep in mind if we keep making excuses it starts to make it easier to except loosing.

  172. VanOil says:

    crude:
    Who are the sports psychologists for the oilers? Hard working bunch…. Or, inept bunch.
    Or, worse, saboteurs.

    http://www.drkimberleyamirault.com/index.php/drkimberley/bio/ I would have all kinds of mental issues if she was my shrink

  173. crude says:

    Ha, thanks for the link. She is going to get a sternly worded missive.

  174. VanOil says:

    I love the old school ‘accuweather’ tele-prompter that the Avs use at intermissions. It reminds me of Howie Meeker. There break down of the Mackinnon pass was great. A text book example of how to freeze a classic butterfly goalie.

  175. sliderule says:

    The Avs feed just high lighted Perron watching the puck while OReilly waltzes by him to score second goal.
    Constant theme being in right spot but cover nobody just puck watch.

  176. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    Setting aside our current misery, these two teams are going to be awesome to watch head to head 3 years from now. Serious talent throughout these Line-ups. Just need some ripening.

  177. jp says:

    At least the Oilers are leading in blocked shots. 17-5. That’s good, right?

  178. flyfish1168 says:

    jp:
    At least the Oilers are leading in blocked shots. 17-5. That’s good, right?

    Shows we are chasing the puck and we don’t have possession. But the good thing is the puck didn’t reach our net

  179. Andy P says:

    flyfish1168: If you look back we also had many injuries last year too. Plus we didn’t have Perron. So we can go back and forth with this debate. But the main thing is our key players are one year older and we have a better 4th line then last year. So as you should see excuses are useless. The most important is win losses and key areas in our game. With a real pre-season verses the small amount of time the players had to prepare for the season we should be better. Keep in mind if we keep making excuses it starts to make it easier to except loosing.

    But I did like Krueger and I think he will be a very good head coach elsewhere. But Eakins is able to weather a storm that Krueger could not have, so the discussion may be moot.
    But I’m starting to hate DD almost as much as I hate Vancouver.

  180. flyfish1168 says:

    Andy P: But I did like Krueger and I think he will be a very good head coach elsewhere. But Eakins is able to weather a storm that Krueger could not have, so the discussion may be moot.
    But I’m starting to hate DD almost as much as I hate Vancouver.

    Not sure how you come to that conclusion. Ralph weathered many bad Swiss teams and was able to come up with a pretty good game plan. It is a moot point. Mact wants his stamp on the team and has stuck his neck out for Eakins and now we are stuck at least the next four years if he stays on through his contract.

  181. Lowetide says:

    Nick Schultz just had all day and couldn’t get the puck out. Beyond awful tonight.

  182. RexLibris says:

    5 minutes and change remaining in the 3rd.

    Time for a defensive breakdown that costs the game.

  183. VanOil says:

    Lowetide:
    Nick Schultz just had all day and couldn’t get the puck out. Beyond awful tonight.

    I am hoping N.Schultz is enough of a Carlie type guy that combined with Gagner tempts Gardnier + a 2nd out of TO. But Schultz and Gagner are working hard to make them selves un-tradeable they must love EDM.

  184. RexLibris says:

    VanOil: I am hoping N.Schultz is enough of a Carlie type guy that combined with Gagner tempts Gardnier + a 2nd out of TO. But Schultz and Gagner are working hard to make them selves un-tradeable they must love EDM.

    Depends. Gagner got 5 and a game, so grit, and maybe Schultz bleeds poise, or tenacity, or character, or whatever voodoo Carlyle is into over there.

  185. RexLibris says:

    Great pressure by Eberle.

    Please don’t trade that young man.

  186. cc says:

    Lowetide,

    Nice work LT, slice up NSchultz again. I know you don’t like him but you gotta love the younger schultz.

    Not only did he give away the puck on the PP but he took the wrong guy on the 2 – 1. That is just plain stupid rookie hockey, in his second year.

    When you trade Nick make sure you throw in the younger for some pucks please.

  187. justDOit says:

    Hemmer’s buzzin! Love it. I’ve only seen the third, but there are a lot of things I like, besides that goals thing.

  188. cc says:

    And one final thought to all the trade Hemsky fans. Turn your tv’s back on, he’s the best player on the ice tonight. Enjoy a real NHL player.

  189. RexLibris says:

    Does the empty net count as a powerplay? Just wondering if I should shut my eyes…

  190. rich says:

    it does help if you could put a shot on net.

  191. RexLibris says:

    Been in ongoing discussions with a friend about when the Oilers will overtake the Flames in the standings this year.

    Thought maybe late November, then we discussed January, now…maybe 2015?

  192. RexLibris says:

    Buffalo is 4 pts back with a game in hand.

    Maybe we don’t need Tambellini’s lucky tie after all?

  193. VanOil says:

    RexLibris,

    Those silly Flames don’t even know how to tank properly. The Oilers could put on a clinic.

  194. flyfish1168 says:

    No team has had more empty net and short handed goals scored on then the Oilers

    Don’t be surprised if Gagner is suspended

  195. justDOit says:

    VanOil:
    RexLibris,

    Those silly Flames don’t even know how to tank properly. The Oilers could put on a clinic.

    Pffft. Tank. Cmon!

  196. Gerta Rauss says:

    Ah well, what are you gonna do….see you Saturday,

  197. hags9k says:

    The Schultz pass and the Hall penalty. Dumb and dumber. The league is too good to hand over two goals on the road. What a terrible hockey team. Nobody even ever drops the gloves in disgust. They just take it. Pout your way back to the room boys. Just pathetic.

  198. tcho says:

    Lowetide,

    Really am glad we have him instead of Gilbert…

  199. 8p0intgame says:

    It was only a year ago when there would be over one hundred new comments if I didn’t check them for an hour. Today, there was 20 – 30 at best.

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