OILERS AT CANUCKS, G34 13-14

The Oilers played well last night in a losing cause and that might be the best moment of the entire weekend. Vancouver tonight and Anaheim Sunday means some difficult moments for the young group. So it’s time to take a moment and talk about the positives from last night:

  • David Perron is a wonderful player. An absolutely terrific winger who has quickly become one of my favorite Oilers. I don’t know what this season would look like without Perron, and suspect he’s going to post a goal total that’s close to 35. What a great trade.
  • Ales Hemsky was flying last night, really working hard and setting up plays. I hope they sign him, but he’s certainly improving his trade value if the NHL scouts are paying attention to these games.
  • Jeff Petry who skated miles and displayed calm feet. And he got a point.
  • Ryan Nugent-Hopkins was very good, he’s such a smart hockey player. I think he’s Dave Keon, and that’s a compliment.
  • Anton Belov had an excellent game to my eye, strong play.
  • Mark Arcobello continues to play well, I think he’s going to get a push when Gordon returns.
  • Jesse Joensuu seems to be healthy again and brings a different look to the powerplay along with some impressive 5×5 play.
  • Andrew Ference played a simple but effective game.
  • Luke Gazdic did some nice things, interrupting the play in the neutral zone a couple of times.

That’s my list, you may have your own and I welcome your input.

THE CURIOUS CASE OF DEVAN DUBNYK

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Devan Dubnyk had his detractors over the years but he also supplied the Oilers with good goaltending, certainly in the seasons he played significant minutes. Here are his even-strength save percentages over the seasons:

  • 2010-11: .921
  • 2011-12: .927
  • 2012-13: .922
  • 2013-14: .890

The NHL changed equipment sizes and stick length, and this team is a defensive nightmare many nights. I can name several people who write and comment on the Oilers who claim to have seen this coming, but save for the odd wonky goal and the criticisms of big men (moves slow, looks slow) I never bought into it.

However, we are here. I think it’s bad for him, and wouldn’t be surprised to see him backing up tonight or in Union City Blue next week. This is a miserable end for a good guy by all accounts. I sincerely hope I’m wrong about the Oilers and Dubnyk, he’s going to bounce back to career norms and if he’s still an Oiler that’s even better.

POWERPLAY

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Yakupov is a great shooting option. He needs to be a trigger man on the number 1 powerplay and I don’t understand the hesitancy.

PROGRESS

This morning, Extra Skater has the Oilers Corsi For % at 47.3 5×5, last season it was 44.6 5×5. If the Oilers had even average goaltending this season we’d be talking a different season, and if they had Toronto’s we’d be irritating the internet like madmen (and women). The season is gone, but all hope is not lost.  We’re 33 games into the season now, leaving 49 games to go. If the Oilers went 24-18-7 (and that seems reasonable if the goaltending stands up and injuries don’t tear them apart) Edmonton would end this season 35-37-10 and with 80 points. I think 35 wins is a reasonable target for this team. Agreed?

ACT NATURALLY

I would never have guessed David Perron and Mark Arcobello would be having the seasons we expected to see from Taylor Hall and Sam Gagner, but we are here. Whatever ails Hall—and I don’t think his speed has been impacted by the injury—Dallas Eakins has to fix it. Gagner is part of a Bermuda triangle line for the second year in a row (remember Gagner-Hemsky last season?) and sometimes when people say “it’s not you, it’s me” they’re telling the truth.

Edmonton can’t progress without a productive Hall, Eberle, Nuge, Yakupov. The other parts of those lines are less important than these four horsemen, and that includes Gagner.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

DUNAWAY

TSN1260 at 10, we’ll preview the NFL weekend and have Oiler/NHL talk. Scheduled to appear:

  • Steve Lansky from Big Mouth Sports. We’ll talk about life being unfair for Jay Feaster and a few other things.
  • Corey Pronman from ESPN and Hockey Prospectus. We’ll talk about the Flames and Oilers prospect stable.
  • Rob Vollman from ESPN, Hockey Prospectus and Bleacher Report. We’ll talk about the Oilers positive trending in shot differential and what this team might look like with average goaltending.
  • Andreas Morse from FC Edmonton. The offseason signings continue.
  • Jungle Jim Hunter. Canadians are performing very well leading up to the Olympics, but a late coaching change may impact the Canadian Women’s national hockey team.

10-1260 via text and @Lowetide_ on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. Bushed says:

    When the Sedins are running your goalie and other players with no response….

    Good Gord….

  2. SK Oiler Fan says:

    If DDs eyes haven’t gone to shit it’s a concentration issue. How does he lose the puck so often?

  3. steveb12344 says:

    I find myself wanting to see Dubnyk just comepletely implode, so he can be put out of his misery.

    This death by 1000 cuts routine of his is just too painful to watch anymore

  4. SK Oiler Fan says:

    and why isn’t DDs stick on the ice? both those shots are harmless if he keeps his stick on the ice and doesn’t move.

  5. fuzzy muppet says:

    This game literally put me to sleep.

    The Oilers slogan should be “Oilers Hockey: As Boring as May baseball, but with less intrigue!”

  6. bookje says:

    Yes, I can’t believe Dubnyk is getting outshot 28-14.

  7. striatic says:

    SK Oiler Fan:
    and why isn’t DDs stick on the ice? both those shots are harmless if he keeps his stick on the ice and doesn’t move.

    i think i read that the goalies all had their paddles shortened this year, which makes it more difficult for taller goalies to keep their stick on the ice unless they are really hunched over.

    i think i also read that Ben Bishop was granted an exemption on this. unsure about Dubnyk.

  8. hunter1909 says:

    I’m impressed how Dubnyk’s been able to allow his obligatory 3 goals tonight. Not once has he looked terrible, yet here we are at 0-3 in the 3rd.

    @Woodguy: The “Gregor” comparison are there to see. Like Gregor, Devan’s unflappable, logical, sensible, and sublimely unimaginative under pressure.

  9. Lowetide says:

    This should be called the ‘picking cherries’ powerplay. No way they’re going to score.

  10. hunter1909 says:

    bookje,

    Why can’t you fact freaks deal with the oiler fan’s 2013 reality?

  11. SK Oiler Fan says:

    89 in front of the net on the PP? How does it keep getting worse?

  12. striatic says:

    here we go..

    http://ingoalmag.com/news/goalies-must-swap-sticks-nhl-finally-enforces-old-rule/

    “We had to change my stick because I have used the same stick for five years and all of a sudden it’s too long,” Edmonton Oilers No.1 Devan Dubnyk told InGoal Magazine during the pre-season. “We’ve tried to work with it to make it as little of an adjustment as possible. I need a little bit more grip around it because I narrowed it down, and that’s it.”

  13. Clay says:

    Forget the score, it’s hard to believe these are two teams in the same league. Edmonton can barely string three consecutive passes together tonight, even on the PP.

    Some nights, it looks like the team is starting to get it. Nights like tonight though – they look like a bunch of kids playing against men.

  14. dsr29 says:

    bookje:
    Yes, I can’t believe Dubnyk is getting outshot 28-14.

    You]re right Dubey is playing fine.

  15. supernova says:

    Doomoil: Listen dude, I like Perron, you like Perron, everyone likes Perron.

    But he ain’t scoring 35 times while playing goal.

    Doomoil,

    Sure man, I missed the bit on Perron playing goal.

    But like him so much he might be able to have a 920 SP and score 35 goals.

    We need more people with his “testicular fortitude”

    Really liked the deal at the time, love the deal now.

  16. Pouzar says:

    steveb12344:
    I find myself wanting to see Dubnyk just comepletely implode, so he can be put out of his misery.

    This death by 1000 cuts routine of his is just too painful to watch anymore

    His save % is .909 as I type this. Not his fault.

  17. Andy P says:

    G Money: – The book is out on the Oilers. They’re going to start every game hoping it’s a no-hit river hockey game, so do not pace yourself, hit them, pressure them, go after them with everything, leave nothing on the ice after the first period. Almost certain you’ll bury them deep enough they won’t get back in, no matter how hard they start trying after the first period. We’ll have to see if the Oilers push back now or just cave. They are almost as fragile as often as they are lazy.It’s not a matter of stats really. Bachman has played 35 games in the NHL and even after that incredible Kings effort, he’s a .903 goalie. That means he’s about as good (crappy) so far as Dubnyk has been this season. And just as Dubnyk has had some extremely good games so far, just as Bachman had one. Just one. To suggest that this somehow makes Bachman a better goalie is ridiculous.

    So, there’s the emotion that likes BTO irrationally, and the scant stats from his time here.

    Those stats simply say that his average save % over a tiny sample is better than DD’s larger sample. So the one average is higher than the other. If DD is the same goalie he was last year, then he is likely a better goalie than Bachman. If he is not, then Bachman may turn out better.

    Nothing ridiculous about that.

  18. bookje says:

    hunter1909:
    bookje,

    Why can’t you fact freaks deal with the oiler fan’s 2013 reality?

    Fact – Dubnyk has played very poorly overall this season and is part of the problem.
    Fact – The non-goalie Oilers have also mostly been terrible this season and are part of the problem.

    Concern – Hope for the Hall, Eberle, RNH, Yak era for this team may be winding down. We may be in for MacT’s rebuild now.

    Hope – Maybe it will all come together like in the stories.

  19. striatic says:

    http://www.senatorsextra.com/main/lehner-fuming-over-stick-rule-change

    “Any goaltender who is 6-6 or taller is allowed to use a 28-inch stick. Lehner, however, is 6-5, meaning he is required to use the same length of stick as a 5-11 goaltender.”

    So no goalie is taller that 6-6 other than Ben Bisop.

    Dubnyk is just under the cut off point, and so of all goalies he will be the most hampered by having to use a 5-11 goaltender’s stick.

    The arbitrary nature of the cut off point must be infuriating for Dubnyk. if he was just an inch taller, he’d get an extra 2 inches on his paddle.

    One might even say that this is unfair.

  20. Gerta Rauss says:

    The Edmonton Oilers make David Booth look like an All Star.

  21. striatic says:

    Though of course Robin Lehner is the same height as Dubnyk and has posted a .933 sv% this year.

    So there goes that theory ; ]

  22. supernova says:

    Woodguy,

    Yeah read that trade too for hickey, not really sure how that helps the oilers aside from parting ways with doobie.

    For that return I would rather just get picks. Oilers D is already clogged with 4 through 8 defenceman.

    Wouldn’t mind seeing Dubnyk, and something for clutterbuck.

  23. hags9k says:

    Pouzar,

    I don’t pin this one on Dubie. But again you say to yourself, well he could have been a little better, and he sure didn’t put up a wall and steal us a big divisional road game, like good NHL goalies sometimes do. He never does. He’s not good enough. I was on board with him going into this season as he progressed little by little every year until now. But now I doubt he will ever peak above levels we have already seen. (average)

  24. fuzzy muppet says:

    Jones may not be a very good hockey player but he’s one of like 3 Oilers that actually goes to the front of the opposition’s net. Ill give him that

  25. Clay says:

    bookje: Fact – Dubnyk has played very poorly overall this season and is part of the problem.
    Fact – The non-goalie Oilers have also mostly been terrible this season and are part of the problem.

    Concern – Hope for the Hall, Eberle, RNH, Yak era for this team may be winding down.We may be in for MacT’s rebuild now.

    Hope – Maybe it will all come together like in the stories.

    Rebuild Ad Infinitum

  26. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Van 4th line may have more scoring chances than the supposed Oiler 1st line tonight. I don’t see this team competing with Van consistently any time soon.

  27. Clay says:

    Did Eberle have to fight through two Vancouver checks to carry it back into his own zone there? Someone is punking us right now.

  28. Pouzar says:

    Easiest $$ I’ve ever made.

  29. fifthcartel says:

    Is Perron being played at centre these last few shifts?

  30. SK Oiler Fan says:

    interesting. Perron on for 89 to center the 4th line. 89 might be a healthy scratch by the end of this trip

  31. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    Oil got rode like a rented mule tonight. Totally took the hickory behind the woodshed. The book is out on playing them. The make-up of this team is timid and fearful. Just don’t want to scrape. I’m afraid for all his talent, Eberle tops that list. Ryan Jones might have been our most engaged forward tonight. Manhandled. Lights out. Hard to watch. Really hard.

  32. Lowetide says:

    This game was decided last night. back to back Boston and Vancouver? Come on.

  33. SK Oiler Fan says:

    The D on that pk may as well have stood in the corner. Ference was one, not sure who the other was, but at least give the guy a hack ffs. Looked like DD was thinking the same.

  34. Clay says:

    Lowetide:
    This game was decided last night. back to back Boston and Vancouver? Come on.

    So playing a good team the night before gives them an excuse to not even try the following night?

  35. bookje says:

    Lowetide:
    This game was decided last night. back to back Boston and Vancouver? Come on.

    Nope, it was decided tonight. The team wasn’t just tired, they were totally unprepared. That falls on the coaches and the players, not the league. If they lost their legs in the 3rd period, then one could make that argument, but when they don’t bother showing up, that’s another matter all together.

  36. G Money says:

    striatic:
    Though of course Robin Lehner is the same height as Dubnyk and has posted a .933 sv% this year.

    So there goes that theory ; ]

    Same height does not mean they have the same limb characteristics. It would be interesting to see a comparison of the reach of the two (like in boxing and MMA). If Lehner’s arms are relatively long while Dubnyk’s relatively short (for their heights of course), it would add credence to the theory. If there is minimal (<1 inch maybe), it would lessen the credence of the theory.

  37. SK Oiler Fan says:

    This game was decided on opening night when MacT gifted Eakins seven #5 dmen

  38. Lowetide says:

    Clay: So playing a good team the night before gives them an excuse to not even try the following night?

    No, being a bad team and playing Boston Thursday night then Vancouver the next night does. Back to back games against good to very good teams who are playing well? I didn’t think they would win either game.

    The Oilers have no way to stop the fire hose. Their defense can’t handle pressure so the pressure comes in waves. Add in a really good pressure team on night 2 of the btb and it could have been worse.

    There were good signs imo, Arcobello should get another start in the middle. The Oilers might come out of this season with a very useful 2line C. That’s more important than tonight’s result.

  39. admiralmark says:

    I know the D is a massive problem in Edmonton. But can Eakins at some point recognize Larsson does not belong on the ice as much as he is?! Brutal. As for Gagner what is it with the Oilers and putting these huge contracts on the table for players that have not proved their value? Gagner is our new Albatross of a contract… He is horrendous. Dubnyk …. Gaaaaah I cant talk about this team anymore. What actually pisses me off the most right now is where is this COMPETE Eakins preached at teh start of the season? Where are the players being held accountable that he said would happen??

  40. admiralmark says:

    SK Oiler Fan,

    AMEN!

  41. edoil1 says:

    Lowetide,

    We all hope for better,but you can not make a silk purse out of a sow’s rear.

  42. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    That was horrible. just horrible.

    not sure there was a quick, effective pass the whole game.

  43. Lowetide says:

    edoil1:
    Lowetide,

    We all hope for better,but you can not make a silk purse out of a sow’s rear.

    Arcobello? I don’t think he’s going to be a long term answer at 2C but don’t see the harm in putting him there for a month. Let him get his at-bats, see if he can score 10 points in 20 games and finish over 50% in the Corgi’s.

    This is about next year, and maybe he’s a guy who’ll have a Peverley career. Get him signed to a reasonable deal and that has value.

    Get good players, keep good players.

  44. G Money says:

    bookje: Nope, it was decided tonight.The team wasn’t just tired, they were totally unprepared.That falls on the coaches and the players, not the league.If they lost their legs in the 3rd period, then one could make that argument, but when they don’t bother showing up, that’s another matter all together.

    How exactly does a coach prepare in this case? How do you – and why do you need to – convince your players:

    - When being forechecked aggressively, retrieve the puck hard and make a play quickly
    - If you don’t see a quick play, make a safe play
    - Pass it to your own guys, not the other guys
    - Pass it to your own guy’s stick, not his skates

    These are baffling things for a team to be doing. I bet if you went back and counted the failures to do the above four, it would number 100+

  45. bookje says:

    Lowetide: No, being a bad team and playing Boston Thursday night then Vancouver the next night does. Back to back games against good to very good teams who are playing well? I didn’t think they would win either game.

    The Oilers have no way to stop the fire hose. Their defense can’t handle pressure so the pressure comes in waves. Add in a really good pressure team on night 2 of the btb and it could have been worse.

    There were good signs imo, Arcobello should get another start in the middle. The Oilers might come out of this season with a very useful 2line C. That’s more important than tonight’s result.

    Another 15 seasons like this and they will have a full team!

  46. Lowetide says:

    bookje: Another 15 seasons like this and they will have a full team!

    lol. Sure looks like it!

  47. bookje says:

    G Money: How exactly does a coach prepare in this case?How do you – and why do you need to – convince your players:

    - When being forechecked aggressively, retrieve thepuck hard and make a play quickly
    - If you don’t see a quick play, make a safe play
    - Pass it to your own guys, not the other guys
    - Pass it to your own guy’s stick, not his skates

    These are baffling things for a team to be doing. I bet if you went back and counted the failures to do the above four, it would number 100+

    I don’t have a clue how coaches get teams to do those things. Eakins said something about being able to address each player individually to push their buttons to get them to do the things they need to. I look forward to seeing it sometime soon.

    Nobody gets a free ride when the team plays that poorly.

  48. fifthcartel says:

    Chase with 3 assists tonight.

  49. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Chase with 3 assists now. +3.

  50. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    fifthcartel:
    Chase with 3 assists tonight.

    damn your quick eyes!

  51. Caramel Obvious says:

    Anyone else feel like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLrBd81ONOw

  52. Caramel Obvious says:

    This version might be more appropriate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pRdYbyw1Jk&list=RDyLrBd81ONOw

  53. fifthcartel says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: damn your quick eyes!

    (:

    The game is also on Sportsnet, and they scored twice since I turned it on, haha.

  54. Clay says:

    Lowetide: No, being a bad team and playing Boston Thursday night then Vancouver the next night does. Back to back games against good to very good teams who are playing well? I didn’t think they would win either game.

    The Oilers have no way to stop the fire hose. Their defense can’t handle pressure so the pressure comes in waves. Add in a really good pressure team on night 2 of the btb and it could have been worse.

    I don’t buy this. And I’m not talking about winning either game – it’s no surprise they didn’t. I’m talking about not bothering to try.

  55. DeadmanWaking says:

    I rented Zero Dark Thirty this evening, but I think I’ll save it for later in the week. Think I’ll watch Endeavor instead, about a missing Oxford school-girl.

    I’ll probably follow that with The Amazing Spider-man about which Ebert wrote:

    We live in an age of speed-up, which may explain why the “Spider-Man” franchise feels the need for a reboot only 10 years after its first film, and five years after the most recent one.

    Reboot/rebuild, what’s the difference?

    He also wrote:

    … because it seems to me that CGI superhero films often go on autopilot during their big action climaxes …

    Like the third period of a b2b.

  56. Nuckout says:

    Dubnyk has a serious problem getting in the zone playing as #1. He played better having Bryz as a 1b to lighten the load. Dubs is gone for picks to a team looking for backup competition. Bryz and Bachman will be the tandem barring injuries.

  57. edoil1 says:

    Lowetide,

    Actually I meant the “whole” team especially D,actually I think they should push Arco up,and have a feeling they will have to pay/take bad salary for Gagne switch,brutal contract,get a bloody veteran D man in here,I don’t care if they have to auction off Kevins 6 ring’s at the Warren Moon auction.

  58. G Money says:

    Test: never mind!*

    * Insert typically clever and witty G Money remark here

    Watching the game tonight was like:
    http://gifs.gifbin.com/1238158346_falling_penguins.gif

  59. Lowetide says:

    Clay: I don’t buy this.And I’m not talking about winning either game – it’s no surprise they didn’t.I’m talking about not bothering to try.

    So, you feel the Oilers didn’t try against Boston? Or just Vancouver?

  60. Lois Lowe says:

    Impressions from the game: not a single Oiler played well tonight. Arco and Perron were not awful, and that’s the highest praise I can muster. The Schultz squared pairing was awful, as were the rest of the d. Larsen made fewer bad plays than the rest, so that’s a plus. I can’t recall a single clean break out or zone entry the entire game. It was awful to watch live. Fuck I hate the Canucks and their fans.

  61. Woodguy says:

    This game showed what an actual NHL Dcorps can do.

    Crisp, quick first passes on the tape. Oiler forecheck never stopped a pass

    First to the puck after it went to the net. Oilers one and done all night.

    Kept pucks in at opposition blue by being in the right spot and having F’s they *know* will cover for them.

    Clogging up the neutral zone, turning over the puck and quick, crisp passes for a zone entry.

    And these guys are scratching for a playoff spot in the West.

    Oilers are miles and miles from being miles and miles away that.

    I know it was 2nd of B2B, but it wasn’t ever close.

    The two time a period the Oilers actually had a chance to get a scoring chance they’d over handle the puck and allow the D and G to get into better positions before the shot, if they actually got a shot off. Eberle made some real clean pucks with all the dusting he was doing.

    Man.

  62. Lowetide says:

    Hall did some nice things tonight, wanted to post that in here. He made some nice defensive plays and also sent a wonderful pass to Petry who didn’t get it flush (but that was a helluva pass).

  63. bookje says:

    Woodguy,

    Are they worse this year than they were the past five? It seems like it to me, but I think that’s just my brain getting worn down by it.

  64. bookje says:

    Speaking of the Oilers, I think its time we stopped speaking about the Oilers and moved on to other topics until next Fall.

    What about picking the best Chistmas song?

    Here is my Choice

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjaPXihbORk

    What about our favourite version of Last Christmas?
    This is one of the best in my books

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1tBSfhHvVs

  65. bookje says:

    What about Highly catchy politically incorrect fun songs?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C17yfGyJjM

  66. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    Hall did some nice things tonight, wanted to post that in here. He made some nice defensive plays and also sent a wonderful pass to Petry who didn’t get it flush (but that was a helluva pass).

    He was trying his bag off to back check in the first period. Noted that. Less so as the game got away, but that’s when you cheat anyhow.

  67. Lowetide says:

    Some posts getting caught up in the thingy tonight, my apologies.

  68. Woodguy says:

    bookje:
    Woodguy,

    Are they worse this year than they were the past five?It seems like it to me, but I think that’s just my brain getting worn down by it.

    Brain wear.

    Much better dcorps than last 5 years, but that’s a seriously scathing review of the last 5 years and Tambellini/Lowe.

    The average player is better, but when you expect better you notice the bad more.

    “Patience” they said……”the Oilers don’t have to add good players until the kids have been around a couple years” they said.

    Like its flicking a switch or something and not a continual process to add better players than you have.

  69. bookje says:

    Woodguy,

    I keep telling myself that if they had gotten .920 goaltending all the way through, things would be looking reasonable at this point. Then I stab my hand with a fork because it helps with the agony of it all.

  70. TheOtherJohn says:

    Bruins were missing 6 skaters. Started a goalie with 17 games experience. Team fighting flu. It was so bad Gregory Campbell’s ice time was up 50% to 17:50 TOI and we talk about great game. The game was there to be won, depleted Bruins roster and it was not that close.

    Oh and when asked about it Chiarelli said: everybody is down bodies, you just have to deal with it. No excuses.

    Tonight we lost because 50% of our roster cannot compete at this level. Believe Drance?? On twitter asked if 6 of their D would be in our top pairing: 4 for sure sure: Bieksa Edler, Garrison, Hamhuis and maybe Tanev

    Did not lose because B2B. We lost because we are not a very good team. Over the next 5 games we are going to play 3 very strong teams Ana, LAK & Stl. Our record is 1-2 in last 3 with 3 strong teams, a good Colorado team and Winnipeg to come . 4 pts in the next 5 games would be a decent stretch.

    Should have been looking as “we turned the corner” ie beating Columbus, Calgary, Florida because we just got run over by a bus with heavy traffic to come

    Wonder if we could use Smid size aainst big boys? Forgot not good passer

  71. Hammers says:

    bookje: Nope, it was decided tonight.The team wasn’t just tired, they were totally unprepared.That falls on the coaches and the players, not the league.If they lost their legs in the 3rd period, then one could make that argument, but when they don’t bother showing up, that’s another matter all together.

    What will the excuse be after Sunday and the rest of this road trip . Sorry LT I agree with the other bloggers . There is no lesson tonight . I would skate there asses of tomorrow with no pucks .If they don’t sweat in the games by god they should sweat in practice .

  72. Lowetide says:

    So, which is it? TOJ says they aren’t talented enough, Hammers says bag skate them.

    I agree there’s no lesson tonight beyond this was a predictable outcome. The Oilers are not a good team, and they were on the second game of a back to back and they are having to learn the difficult lessons of structure.

    All true. I don’t see anything about tonight’s game that we didn’t know before the game. I do believe Arcobello did pretty well in a role where he got a push, and that Gordon was good in his return. I also think Hall did some good things and that Dubnyk looked very good for a long time.

    If you believe Dallas Eakins is the best option for head coach, then there’s nothing to do but cheer and endure lumps against Anaheim, St. Louis and the rest.

    We knew this was going to be a tough weekend. It’s only just begun.

  73. Hammers says:

    Lowetide:
    Hall did some nice things tonight, wanted to post that in here. He made some nice defensive plays and also sent a wonderful pass to Petry who didn’t get it flush (but that was a helluva pass).

    He didn’t get that pass to Petry due to a Vancouver “D” touching it first so I’m not sure I call that a good pass . Sorry to disagree .

  74. Lowetide says:

    Hammers: He didn’t get that pass to Petry due to a Vancouver “D” touching it first so I’m not sure I call that a good pass . Sorry to disagree .

    No need to be sorry, that’s what the forum is for, discussion. I saw it as a clean pass and then a tip that caused Petry to get less than an ideal shot off, but it was a one and done and then not a great angle on the replay. So it certainly could have been as you’ve described. Either way, good effort on the play imo by Hall.

  75. Hammers says:

    Lowetide:
    So, which is it? TOJ says they aren’t talented enough, Hammers says bag skate them.

    I agree there’s no lesson tonight beyond this was a predictable outcome. The Oilers are not a good team, and they were on the second game of a back to back and they are having to learn the difficult lessons of structure.

    All true. I don’t see anything about tonight’s game that we didn’t know before the game. I do believe Arcobello did pretty well in a role where he got a push, and that Gordon was good in his return. I also think Hall did some good things and that Dubnyk looked very good for a long time.

    If you believe Dallas Eakins is the best option for head coach, then there’s nothing to do but cheer and endure lumps against Anaheim, St. Louis and the rest.

    We knew this was going to be a tough weekend. It’s only just begun.

    I do agree with this statement 100% .My point is for the $ millions they earn they should work either in games or practice . The old saying is practice makes perfect and hard work normally helps .

  76. Bob Arctor says:

    bookje:
    What about picking the best Chistmas song?

    Here is my Choice

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjaPXihbORk

    Excellent find.

    bookje:
    What about Highly catchy politically incorrect fun songs?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C17yfGyJjM

    The coat hanger made me think Oilers powerplay….

  77. Lowetide says:

    Hammers: I do agree with this statement 100% .My point is for the $ millions they earn they should work either in games or practice . The old saying is practice makes perfect and hard work normally helps .

    Sure, but you’ve got players here who have been walking the cell block as cool hand Luke for 7 years. You know, right now it looks like Dubnyk and Gagner and maybe even someone like Petry are on the outs, but this is part of the process. If Gagner wants out of 4th line hell, he’s going to have to eat his vegetables.

    Being a millionaire doesn’t make you less human, it probably makes you more likely to think you’re invincible. That’s what this year appears to be, finding the mortal in the Oilers psyche. I’m onside in a big way with Eakins, to the point where if he soured on any of these characters I’d be fine with them leaving town.

    I didn’t feel that way about Quinn, or Renney, or Krueger. But Eakins, who is not perfect, has one thing that I value very highly.

    He follows through. And that’s a big part of anything in life.

  78. Gret99zky says:

    If Arco continues his strong play over the next say 10 games and pushes Gagner down to the third line can MacT afford to have his 3C making $4.8M for the next few years?

    Does he move Sam to the wing and hope he covers his bet there?

    Or will MacT renege on his engagement present to happy couple and trade 89 before it kicks in?

    We wait.

  79. Andy P says:

    Lowetide: So, which is it? TOJ says they aren’t talented enough, Hammers says bag skate them. I agree there’s no lesson tonight beyond this was a predictable outcome. The Oilers are not a good team, and they were on the second game of a back to back and they are having to learn the difficult lessons of structure. All true. I don’t see anything about tonight’s game that we didn’t know before the game. I do believe Arcobello did pretty well in a role where he got a push, and that Gordon was good in his return. I also think Hall did some good things and that Dubnyk looked very good for a long time. If you believe Dallas Eakins is the best option for head coach, then there’s nothing to do but cheer and endure lumps against Anaheim, St. Louis and the rest. We knew this was going to be a tough weekend. It’s only just begun.

    LT despite being schooled tonight and losing to a depleted Bruins team do you think we still need another blow up and rebuild?

    seems to me another couple of key pieces – Playoff goalie (sorry LT); Short term #1D – should transform this team, or not? How many more do we need, with who we have here and in the farm?

  80. Lowetide says:

    Gret99zky:
    If Arco continues his strong play over the next say 10 games and pushes Gagner down to the third line can MacT afford to have his 3C making $4.8M for the next few years?

    Does he move Sam to the wing and hope he covers his bet there?

    Or will MacT renege on his engagement present to happy couple and trade 89 before it kicks in?

    We wait.

    I think all bets are off now. MacT shouldn’t feel guilty about trading him. Problem is what would you get for him?

  81. Lowetide says:

    Andy P: LT despite being schooled tonight and losing to a depleted Bruins team do you think we still need another blow up and rebuild?

    seems to me another couple of key pieces – Playoff goalie (sorry LT); Short term #1D – should transform this team, or not? How many more do we need, with who we have here and in the farm?

    I honestly don’t know. I’m very surprised they are this bad, felt the club would be better this year and clearly so did MacTavish. I suspect there will be significant changes and would guess Nail Yakupov will be traded before the fall.

  82. Gret99zky says:

    I would feel better about this whole rebuild if it were done from the back out.

    1. two real #1 and #2 defensemen.

    2. a legitimate starting NHL goalie.

    3. Hall and the Nuge.

    The rest of the team can go for the pieces it truly needs. Easier said than done, of course.

    I’d suggest keeping Perron but I suspect he will get off this sinking ship the first chance he gets.

  83. Old School G says:

    Lowetide: I think all bets are off now.MacT shouldn’t feel guilty about trading him. Problem is what would you get for him?

    This could be one of those trades where MacT trades for a player of need. Some of us wouldn’t like it and it won’t be a fair skill swap but may be for the best. Dwight King?

  84. Racki says:

    I’d say this team could definitely stand more Perrons and less.. well.. I won’t target anyone specific. They just need more NHL caliber forwards. Guys that bust their hump all game, play physical, get their noses dirty working hard for the puck. I’m also still a firm believer that anyone on their blueline should be fair game (anyone) along with their 1st overall, Yakupov, Gagner, Hemsky, and anyone not named Hall/Eberle/Nuge… they should use a combination of these assets to acquire some bonafide NHL talent and not guys who just don’t get it or can’t hack the grind game in and out.

    They need their number one D man finally too. I know these guys don’t grow on trees and are rarely traded, but the Oilers have the potential to slap together a damn impressive package with the aforementioned assets above.

    I also hope Bryzgalov signs here again next year, although I suspect he won’t. I am not a Dubnyk hater, per se, but I’ve never really felt he’s been the guy that can get the job done on a regular basis. The bottom six could use some work too. It looks like there are some more passengers there this year, again, although Joensuu and even Jones each showed promise here and there.. but they haven’t done it nearly enough.

    On the good side, Gordon was a good pick up, and Arco is now looking like a regular… and while I was pretty ecstatic when we traded Paajarvi for Perron, even I had no idea he would turn out this good. Gazdic also appears to be the perfect player for his role. You could argue that he shouldn’t be in the line up every night, but I’m perfectly fine with it. MacT just has to keep swinging away, trying to find the Gordon and Perrons and cycle out the guys that aren’t working here.

    On a different note, with Pitlick back to OKC, I’d imagine he’s going to be down there conditioning a bit.. I hope he comes back soon though, as I think he was a heck of an addition for the bottom six.. a surprise of Arcobello proportions, although in a different sense.

  85. bookje says:

    Lowetide: I honestly don’t know. I’m very surprised they are this bad, felt the club would be better this year and clearly so did MacTavish. I suspect there will be significant changes and would guess Nail Yakupov will be traded before the fall.

    I think the coaching change has been a real problem for the players who were here last year. I don’t mean that one coach is better than the other, but rather just the change. Consistent Eakins or Consistent Kruger would have resulted in a better result than we are seeing now. I think despite the poor record last year, the core guys were starting to settle in to a system. That first line was one of the best in hockey, but the team was missing the Belov’s, the Arcobello’s, the Gordon’s and the Perron’s.

    I don’t begrudge MacT for it because a new GM gets to choose his coach, that’s the norm. Anything else wouldn’t make sense.

    In time the team will settle down with Eakins. It might have already happened if it were not for goal-tending problems early on.

  86. Lowetide says:

    Gret99zky:
    I would feel better about this whole rebuild if it were done from the back out.

    1. two real #1 and #2 defensemen.

    2. a legitimate starting NHL goalie.

    3. Hall and the Nuge.

    The rest of the team can go for the pieces it truly needs.Easier said than done, of course.

    I’d suggest keeping Perron but I suspect he will get off this sinking ship the first chance he gets.

    And maybe that’s what MacT does, but it’ll cost a pretty penny. He has the assets to acquire Kane AND Bogosian from Winnipeg, but are we going to like the price?

  87. Lowetide says:

    bookje: I think the coaching change has been a real problem for the players who were here last year.I don’t mean that one coach is better than the other, but rather just the change.Consistent Eakins or Consistent Kruger would have resulted in a better result than we are seeing now.I think despite the poor record last year, the core guys were starting to settle in to a system.That first line was one of the best in hockey, but the team was missing the Belov’s, the Arcobello’s, the Gordon’s and the Perron’s.

    I don’t begrudge MacT for it because a new GM gets to choose his coach, that’s the norm.Anything else wouldn’t make sense.

    In time the team will settle down with Eakins.It might have already happened if it were not for goal-tending problems early on.

    Yeah great point on the goaltending. It cocked up the works.

  88. Gret99zky says:

    Lowetide: And maybe that’s what MacT does, but it’ll cost a pretty penny. He has the assets to acquire Kane AND Bogosian from Winnipeg, but are we going to like the price?

    If it moves us closer to the balance picture you’ve been hoarding, then I will like it.

    This team has needed a stud defenseman since the rake left town.

    This team is too damn physically easy to play against.

    It has too many of the same bloody pieces.

    As long as the price isn’t #4 or #93 I say go to market.

  89. Andy P says:

    Lowetide: I honestly don’t know. I’m very surprised they are this bad, felt the club would be better this year and clearly so did MacTavish. I suspect there will be significant changes and would guess Nail Yakupov will be traded before the fall.

    I see DD and MPS being in a similar class, Oiler high picks that always showed unrealized potential. I’m wondering now if Nail is in the same category of unrealized potential but on steroids.

    If MacT is choosing between Hemsky and Nail, I suspect he keeps Hemsky? or not?

  90. Clay says:

    Lowetide: So, you feel the Oilers didn’t try against Boston? Or just Vancouver?

    Sorry LT, late reply…

    I thought they tried plenty against Boston, especially after the first period. Against Vancouver, they never took the skate guards off.

  91. VanOil says:

    Tonight I had to watch the game in mixed company, as my handle would suggest. Sadly Oilers fans are not hated here only pitied. I hate being pitied.

    The comments on this bog and especially the song links, Xmas and other, have help sooth a painful night.

    Tonight the Oilers did not deserve to play in the same league as there opposition. The fact Eakins watches every Canucks game and considers them the standard to which the Oilers should play is a good thing. The Oilers are probably the more talented team it is just the learning how to play and having a defense they need to figure out. (goalies being a wild card)

    As many of you missed it last year due to team affiliation and broadcast rights (fucking east coast morning games), I assure you the best regular season game of the whole year last season was Canucks v. Boston. If you are a fan of hockey it is worth watching tomorrow night. I can’t promise it will be as good as last year but if it gets any where near it will be great.

  92. russ99 says:

    First off, it doesn’t matter if we add 5 new players, if you try to beat Boston and Vancouver with a grind game, you’re going to lose every time. They have some of the best players in the NHL at playing that style, and have been playing it a lot longer than all our players.

    You beat them with speed and good, smart puck movement (which we rarely saw the last two games) putting them on their toes, not playing into their defensive schemes.

    Eakins has won some time with some of his recent comments and adjustments, but the man still needs some experienced help, especially with offensive strategy, the powerplay and working with defensemen. Are we really going to ride with the same ineffective assistants the whole season, and possibly into the next?

    Or is he going to get axed like Krueger for daring to state the obvious…

  93. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Henry: I can’t quantify it, but in back to backs and when they’ve been playing a lot this year, Nuge seems to lose a half step. Almost like his skates touch the ice.

    I’ve noticed this same thing, Henry, and not just this year.

  94. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide: I suspect there will be significant changes and would guess Nail Yakupov will be traded before the fall.

    I like that idea. After all, when you’re trying to manage a hockey team and get three 1st overall picks and still you can’t even cobble together a playoff team let alone a contender, you have to start selling to the real hockey teams that in return are planning on sending their fucked up Andy Cole type players in return, etc.

    The only hope this sorry franchise has got is to keep these kids together until they figure things out. Meanwhile, try getting rid of sad sack vets like Hemsky who skate around prettily and contribute nothing to winning culture.

    Of course oilers run the only game in town in Canada’s most frozen shitehole north. In reality they can do anything they like, while bitch slapped fans will have to take it, lol.

  95. hunter1909 says:

    russ99: Eakins has won some time with some of his recent comments and adjustments, but the man still needs some experienced help, especially with offensive strategy, the powerplay and working with defensemen. Are we really going to ride with the same ineffective assistants the whole season, and possibly into the next?
    Or is he going to get axed like Krueger for daring to state the obvious…

    I remember Katz talking it up big time either just before or else right after he bought the team. Something about establishing a world beating hockey organization, etc blah blah blah.

    Since there has been time to evaluate medium term results, it’s glaringly obvious no one at Recall Place(freudian typo)has a clue re how to actually run an NHL hockey team. Otherwise, how on earth does a team go through so many head coaches, while keeping a pair of jackasses on as assistants?

    Katz is a Medicine Show operator, living out some middle aged puerile wet dream which holds very little substance. Just like his antidepressants. Oilers are run like a one horse town operation(which they are), and accordingly the President of Hockey Operations Kevin Lowe…

    lol

  96. hunter1909 says:

    ps: Kassian dissing Gagner was hilarious. What a pathetic, wuss filled joke of a hockey team oilers are.

  97. gcw_rocks says:

    SK Oiler Fan,

    Well said, sir!

  98. gcw_rocks says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Comes from being a ninety eight pound weakling. The Oilers strength and conditioning coach needs to move into Nuge’s house this summer.

  99. gcw_rocks says:

    Gagner’s contract is not an albatross. Gagner is a second line forward on pretty much any team in the league and 50-65 point forwards get paid in that range. The problem is Gagner is not a great centre. He doesn’t have the face off prowess or more importantly the defensive ability to play the role. And he is stuck on a team that has no room to move him to the wings.

    That’s why one of him, Eberle or Yakupov needs to get traded for a first pairing defender. LT’s suggestion of Gagner for Ehrhoff is probably the most viable. Buffalo can slot Gagner in as their first line RW and the Oilers can slot Ehrhoff in as their top pairing LD. Match made in heaven, at least for the next 4 years or so.

  100. gcw_rocks says:

    hunter1909,

    “The only hope this sorry franchise has got is to keep these kids together until they figure things out. Meanwhile, try getting rid of sad sack vets like Hemsky who skate around prettily and contribute nothing to winning culture.”

    Hemsky needs to go, but not because he is “sad sack”. He needs to go because the team needs more Daniel Winnik/Dave Bolland types on the third line that play strong defensive hockey, can grind the opposition down, and be on the shut down line, and that just isn’t Hemsky.

    I have no problem trading Yakupov for OEL, or Subban, or equivalent. I fear MacT will trade him for the modern equivalent of Marco Sturm and Brad Stuart.

  101. cabbiesmacker says:

    Racki:
    I’d say this team could definitely stand more Perrons and less.. well.. I won’t target anyone specific. They just need more NHL caliber forwards. Guys that bust their hump all game, play physical, get their noses dirty working hard for the puck.

    Understatement of the year Racki. It’s quite humerous to go back to the day of the trade and read some of this blogs contributors lamenting Paajarvi’s loss or calling it a sawoff.

    There are some here who know as much about the rest of the NHL’s talent as the Oiler’s pro scouting side it seems. It happens when you only watch one NHL team and one Junior team night after night I guess.

    It also speaks volumes as to how well the Oilers develop their youth versus many other teams, very much so to their record on draft day the past few years, and perhaps most importantly to the revolving door at the HC level while the real culprits sit safe and sound on their historical thrones . Pathetic is the best word I can come up with.

    Here’s a team that gets it:

    “The Chicago Blackhawks fired assistant coach Mike Haviland on Tuesday, the team announced.

    Haviland spent four years with the Hawks, and he shared duties coaching the disappointing power play and penalty kill. “

  102. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers are the Justin Bieber of the NHL. Vancouver proved it.

    Breathtakingly piss poor hockey team, run by morons.

  103. hunter1909 says:

    cabbiesmacker: while the real culprits sit safe and sound on their historical thrones .

    Fine words.

  104. season not played says:

    Lowetide,

    This game was decided in the summer.

  105. cabbiesmacker says:

    hunter1909:
    Oilers are the Justin Bieber of the NHL. Vancouver proved it.

    Breathtakingly piss poor hockey team, run by morons.

    HUNTER1909? For 10 points can you name the individual / s who has / have been most involved with the team during their lengthy period of mediocrity / shite play?

    I’d like to see the Oilers clean house right down to the dick with the annoying voice that announces goals and penalties at home games.

    Keep Joey. Flamethrow the rest. Let Gord sort it out.

  106. hunter1909 says:

    Someone could score a doctorate by analyzing the correlation between the Oiler’s shiny public pronouncements since 2008, held up against the cold light of reality which in fact show a John Ford style frontier medicine show – still using pitches developed during/before the time of Ur.

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