Segla framåt, du begåvade

From the beginning, nothing rhymed. Drafted in 2007 (4th round), Omark was already 20-years old and should have come over that fall, or the one after, or the one after that one. He did not, so that by the time Linus the Pinus arrived on our shores he was in competition with a few other rookies (Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle and Magnus Paajarvi among them) for playing time.

Once he arrived, Omark had a cracking NHL debut, scoring well in shot differential and 5×5/60. That was his NHL career highlight, and at 26 (27 in February) he was a man in need of an expansion draft.

For me, I wish him the best. Omark’s competition for playing time in Edmonton (Hall, Eberle, Hemsky, now Yakupov and others) was always superior, but that doesn’t mean he can’t find a spark and catch fire in another town. He needed an expansion draft, the Hockey Gods gave him Buffalo. Sail on, gifted one, I enjoyed your magic.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

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Should be a lively show today. TSN1260, 10 this morning. Scheduled to appear:

  • Steve Lansky, Big Mouth Sports. Talking Leafs panic, which may involve Jake Gardiner being dealt.
  • Andrew Bucholtz, 55 yard line. A long look at the expansion draft, and then Eskimos signings this week.
  • Connor Halley and I make our NFL picks, we’re tied at 6-6-1 so far (excitement building)!
  • Ryan Batty, Copper and Blue. We’ll discuss the Edmonton Oilers, a team in the National Hockey League.
  • Andreas Morse from FC Edmonton. We’ll talk signings and 2014 schedule.
  • Jungle Jim Hunter. We’ll discuss the Edmonton Oilers, a team in the National Hockey League.

10-1260 via text and @Lowetide_ on twitter. It’s going to be a fun show! Honest!

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  1. dawgtoy says:

    First Paajarvi and now Omark. H.?.?.E.

  2. bookje says:

    I still think some opportunity was missed. Omark could have been given the MPS treatment. Pumped for a season and then traded for something of value.

  3. Lowetide says:

    bookje:
    I still think some opportunity was missed.Omark could have been given the MPS treatment.Pumped for a season and then traded for something of value.

    Sure, the Sam Pollock treatment. I don’t really blame the organization for that, mostly because the only thing they really need to do is identify the right people to keep. They were correct in choosing Hall, Eberle, Paajarvi Hemsky ahead of him and now of course the club has added Yak and a Paajarvi upgrade.

    It’s no lie to suggest a lot of very good players wouldn’t be top 2line on the Oilers.

    Your point is well taken, though. If Omark posts 30 points in the second half—and he could—there will be a lot of bitching about ROI, but they buried this guy a long time ago.

  4. Captain Smarmy says:

    dawgtoy:
    First Paajarvi and now Omark. H.?.?.E.

    Slide Eberle next to Hall and put a couple of hockey sticks in there.

    H.E.L.L.

  5. Kitchener says:

    dawgtoy:
    First Paajarvi and now Omark. H.?.?.E.

    Hall. Eberle. Lander. Laleggia.

    Oh no, wait: Slepyshev. Hamilton. Yakimov. Tyrvainen.

    Or was it: Kessy. Roy. Abney. Plante. (O. Roy)

    I keep getting mixed up.

  6. russ99 says:

    Kind of bummed we never got to see the Swedish line: MPS – Lander – Omark.

    Maybe next time I like a dynamic European Oilers prospect, I should get a Sabres jersey of him instead…

  7. justDOit says:

    dawgtoy,
    Hall Ebs Lander Larson
    or
    Hall Yak Perron Ebs

  8. TheOtherJohn says:

    “It’s no lie to suggest a lot of very good players wouldn’t be top 2line on the Oilers.”

    Realize this may be a tad to pessimistic but if our top 2L’s are so good why are with tied with the Islanders for 28th w them having a game in hand.

  9. Lowetide says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    “It’s no lie to suggest a lot of very good players wouldn’t be top 2line on the Oilers.”

    Realize this may be a tad to pessimistic but if our top 2L’s are so good why are with tied with the Islanders for 28th w them having a game in hand.

    Hall’s having a bad season by his own standards but the smart call is to stay the course, I can’t imagine a hockey man alive who would deal him and place Omark there. And replacing Perron with Omark is about as crazy.

    As for the reasons why they are 29th, the Edmonton Oilers are a team in the National Hockey League.

  10. BrazilianOil says:

    off topic.

    what the fancy stats says about Sobotka ? good for our 3LW ? price?

  11. Kitchener says:

    I’m glad for Omark that the bad fit (Omark:Oilers) is in the rear view mirror and he can try to fly. He’s a ton of fun to watch and a clear example of what a hard league the NHL really is. In any beer league (well, ANY league other than the NHL), Omark is “that guy” who’s nauseatingly talented and always on the scoresheet.

    It’ll be interesting to see his icetime in Buffalo. If they’re intent on securing the #1 pick for 2-3 years, it isn’t hard to imagine seeing him play lots of minutes. He keeps fans in the seats through otherwise tough times.

    One perk of this trade is that PP minutes and offensive expectations in OKC now shift to ____. Someone has an opportunity.

  12. G Money says:

    Lowetide: As for the reasons why they are 29th, the Edmonton Oilers are a team in the National Hockey League.

    Man, I would hate to be in the heads of this team right now.

    I imagine they are going into every game thinking that they have to put up 5 or more goals in order to win.

    And as soon as the first goal is scored (for or against), their stick hands and sphincters tighten waiting for something bad to happen.

    When (not if) is Dubey going to give up a 50-foot floater from the blue line?

    Which of Larsen or Jultz is going to make a dimbulb giveaway play on the PP resulting in yet another shortie?

    Which of Gagner, Petry, or Jones are going to get mesmerized by the puck and fail to cover the man in the slot?

    Which of Ference or Belov is going to make a bad pinch and give up a breakway or odd man rush the other way?

    And failing any of that, when are the spiteful Hockey Gords going to step in and cause that bad bounce off the boards straight to the attacker in the slot, or the pass that should have created an odd man rush instead bouncing off the linesman’s skate and going straight to the attacker trapped deep and giving him all the time in the world for an easy score, or some other ludicrously unlucky bounce giving up the winning goal?

    And then of course, realizing the need for five goals and the deep seated realization that one or all of the above are going to happen, they cheat for offense and make it a self-fulfilling proposition.

    How did the Curse of CFP end up having such staggering staying power?

  13. Chris says:

    The curse of Chris Pronger didn’t send away Vishnovsky, Pitkenan, Gilbert and Penner for magic beans. That was old Six Rings and company.

  14. Woodguy says:

    Its interesting that Omark didn’t come over right away because a 1 year $1MM contract (tax free) was on the table from the KHL.

    No one would turn down a chance for that kind of immediate financial security, but that year made him have to be better than Hall, Eberle and Paajarvi and it just didn’t happen, and he never got a push.

    Here’s a list of 10/11 wingers sorteyed by TOI/gm (min 40 games)

    Penner
    Hemsky
    Hall
    Eberle
    Cogliano
    Paajarvi
    Omark
    Reddox

    Here;s the list from the 09/10 when he could have come over:

    Penner
    O’Sullivan
    Potulny (did he play more C or W?)
    Nilsson
    PIsani (just hit 40 games)
    Moreau
    Brule (more C than W?)
    Cogliano

    Hemsky only played 22 games due to injury.

    There is no question that Omark would have established himself vs those players (that particular hodge-podge of players is called The Tambellini Compete Special)

    Changes the dynamic completely and perhaps Omark establishes himself as a 2RW that year which changes many dynamics from that time on.

    Timing can be everything.

    BUF is last in the NHL is 5v5 GF and last in the NHL in 5v4GF.

    Omark has a wide open opportunity.

    I hope he succeeds.

    Good luck Linus!!!

    Also,

    Penis.

    There, I said it.

  15. oliveoilers says:

    Morning Fellas! Apologise in advance for a long post, but the coincidence that happened couldn’t be kept!

    I attended a very boring management course recently and read this in the course notes on Team Communications:

    “Team Dynamics

    Just forming a group of people and calling it a team does not necessarily mean that it will be successful. Some teams are so dysfunctional that more energy is expended trying to make them work than would be spent by each person working as an individual. This can be expressed as 2+24.

    The Five Dysfunctions of a Team

    1. Absence of Trust: Leads to Feelings of Invulnerability (of individual team members)
    2. Fear of Conflict: Leads to Artificial Harmony (within the team)
    3. Lack of Commitment: Leads to Ambiguity
    4. Avoidance of Accountability: Leads to Low Standards
    5. Inattention to Results: Leads to inflated Status and Ego”

    Now, I know that Rom ;-) will probably have an apoplexy because this is dark magic that can’t be measured with stats or numbers in Matrix like Neo vision. I just though it was a coincidence that as I read this, I immediately thought “because Oilers!” I find points 4 and 5 especially intriguing . Please easy on me!

  16. Woodguy says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    “It’s no lie to suggest a lot of very good players wouldn’t be top 2line on the Oilers.”

    Realize this may be a tad to pessimistic but if our top 2L’s are so good why are with tied with the Islanders for 28th w them having a game in hand.

    The holes on the Oilers are as follows:

    1 D
    2D
    2C
    3D
    1G (Bryz looking good so far)
    3LW
    5D
    4C

    ….and down the line.

    There are many problems on the OIlers.

    Top 4 wingers are not among the worst of it and its not close.

  17. knighttown says:

    I really enjoy McCurdy’s player rankings over at COH and along that vein I think the Oilers defense last night might have been close to the ever-elusive “1″. I counted 4 times in the first 30 minutes Oilers defensemen got absolutely walked Major Junior style:
    - Duchene on Shultz Sr.
    - Duchene on Shultz Sr. (3 seconds later)
    - Mitchell on Petry
    - Someone else on Petry…remember he walked him and made a great pass to McGinn in the slot who wired a goal that was blocked by Ference.

    It’s very rare at the NHL level to have for HON candidates from one game and if Dubnyk hadn’t have been there, they all would have made the list. Fully posterized.

    Add to that Schultz Jr’s buh-rutal PP shift and the follow up hairball by Larsen and this feels like the equivalent Dubnyk meltdown moment where GM and coach know they can’t win with this group playing defense. Thank Gord for the roster freeze because I think you’d see an emotional roster move made (Bryz, MacIntyre, Gazdic) except there may be no going back from this one.

    I live in Halifax…are the media carving up the Oilers out there or is there still a pretty cordial relationship. Seems like after MacT set the bar so high with his preseason chatter, it’d be getting downright nasty in Edmonton.

  18. Woodguy says:

    BrazilianOil:
    off topic.

    what the fancy stats says about Sobotka ? good for our 3LW ? price?

    I’ve lusted after Sobotka since he was a Bruin.

    Fancy stats have always loved him.

    Very hard on the puck, very tough in corners, hits like a truck.

    Only 5’10 197;lbs so local media would hate him until they saw him play.

    Makes Perron look like a wallflower.

    Armstrong stole him for Warsofsky, who is a smaller offensive minded D.

    Torey Krug fills that role on the Bruins now, although Warsofsky isn’t a bad AHL Dman and may make the NHL yet.

  19. knighttown says:

    KT’s “wins to be proud of” record now stands at 2-19.

    Wins against the Top half (Montreal in October and Colorado in early December).

    Btw, Buffalo now has 3 “proud” wins in less games…Boston, San Jose and LA.

  20. oliveoilers says:

    Sorry guys, please disregard my last comment as my computer is taking a brain crap (like me) and not posting all my post or allowing me to edit! It should read:

    “Team Dynamics

    Just forming a group of people and calling it a team does not necessarily mean that it will be successful. Some teams are so dysfunctional that more energy is expended trying to make them work than would be spent by each person working as an individual. This can be expressed as 2+24.”

    Sorry!

  21. Yeti says:

    Woodguy: The holes on the Oilers are as follows:
    1 D
    2D
    2C
    3D
    1G (Bryz looking good so far)
    3LW
    5D
    4C

    Not wishing to quibble with what looks like a hockey GMs’ bucket list, but I think 1D and 2D fixes the rest, no? I could live with 3-8D patched out of what we currently possess.

  22. oliveoilers says:

    Hmm, half my post is missing. I wish I wasn’t so Oilers at computers. General gist is, this ain’t no team, no how.

  23. Chris says:

    The Avalanche game reminded that the fact we let Jan Hedja walk for nothing was a stupid move a number of years ago. It was basically Glencross but with a defenseman. Our GM was busy whale hunting so he couldn’t be bothered to resign a perfectly useful player we already have. I look at the number of useful players the Oilers have sent out for little or nothing over the past six or seven years and feel the need to drink. The Oilers situation is self inflicted misery.

  24. Chris says:

    Resign Roloson, resign Hedja, resign Glencross. Keep Penner. Keep Visnovsky. Keep Pitkanen…..make Cogliano play wing. This all could have gone so very differently so easily if our GM had just made simple and sensible decisions. No we probably wouldn’t have the wunderkinders now but we might have been in the playoffs two or three times.

  25. theres oil in virginia says:

    knighttown: I counted 4 times in the first 30 minutes Oilers defensemen got absolutely walked Major Junior style:
    - Duchene on Shultz Sr.
    - Duchene on Shultz Sr. (3 seconds later)
    - Mitchell on Petry
    - Someone else on Petry…remember he walked him and made a great pass to McGinn in the slot who wired a goal that was blocked by Ference.

    I’m pretty sure Ference got walked somewhere in there too…Duchene?

  26. knighttown says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    I’m sure that’s probably true.

    I guess I should mention that I’m guessing there are a lot of defensemen that Duchene has posterized this season. His skating might be the best in the NHL factoring in speed, agility and edge work.

    Funny way Roy is using him though eh? Seems to constantly be flying the zone which is odd for a centre compared to say, RNH. It’s kinda similar to the way the Oilers are deploying Hall.

  27. Andy P says:

    I think we are like someone who is sitting on a spike moaning loudly about the pain and discomfort, etc, when all we need to do, and the only constructive thing we can do, is to address the core issue – remove the spike and the pain will go away.
    Painting the chair different colours, reupholstering the chair, etc won’t help. just get rid of the core issue and the rest goes away by itself.
    We do have a failed rebuild behind us and this one is not looking any better right now. We replaced 6 Rings with Ditherlegs but that’s fixed for now with MacT. The only coach we had that I feel needed to be replaced was Quinn, and I don’t think he was as bad as he looked, he’s just the only coach I can see justifiably being replaced. I think MacT, Renney and Krueger are all good coaches.
    So we have Eakins now, and I don’t think he is a bad coach or the problem. Nor do I think the problem is with the unrealized top talent we have. I think the Great One himself would be pretty dark right now were he stuck on this team. So let’s ease up on the lack of performance a bit until we have removed every excuse.
    The easy part is that DD is no longer suitable for use as a goalie in any capacity on this team. But that might not even be what it appears to be.
    The harder I look the more it seems to me that the spike in the proverbial chair is the set of coaches that interface with the players. If for no other reason that nothing but our best players are left after this, they have to go. Eakins cannot be held accountable if he is not given the ability to choose his own assistants. That’s ridiculous. these people don’t have a clue.

    If Lowe ties MacT’s hands and will not allow him to dump them then he will lose the potentially good players he has, he will certainly lose Eakins, he will lose MacT at some point – just as MacT threw his hands up as coach after trying everything, and he will have destroyed the Oil to a point where few have succeeded doing to any team in any sport at any level.

    Just sayin’

  28. Caramel Obvious says:

    Woodguy: I’ve lusted after Sobotka since he was a Bruin.

    Fancy stats have always loved him.

    Very hard on the puck, very tough in corners, hits like a truck.

    Only 5’10 197;lbs so local media would hate him until they saw him play.

    Makes Perron look like a wallflower.

    Armstrong stole him for Warsofsky, who is a smaller offensive minded D.

    Torey Krug fills that role on the Bruins now, although Warsofsky isn’t a bad AHL Dman and may make the NHL yet.

    Two years ago I made a list of underappreciated players based upon fancy stats in the NHL and scoring in the AHL. Sobotka was #1 on the list.

  29. TheGreatMutato says:

    dawgtoy,

    Easy. Slot in Yakupov and Perron and you have the only thing the Oilers have had going for them this decade – H.Y.P.E. It keeps us buying tickets, jerseys, and cable packages and that’s all that matters. Sell ‘em on a promise.

    As an aside, anyone ever tried Googling the Oilers roster and looking at the photos that come up. Tell me what’s wrong with this picture: Oilers Roster…?

  30. Clarkenstein says:

    So a team that will no doubt be DFL in a couple weeks or less sends away their best (arguably) Minor Leaguer for S.F.A. This is just so typical! Good thing we got a guy running this show that knows a little bit about winning!

  31. Hammers says:

    McT has to decide if he wants 3 RH “D” with the same skillset ( Or lack off ) . Petry , Larsen & J.Scultz all are interchangeable and I’m not sure any of them are going to improve in the next 2-3 years . If all 3 stay we will continue to loose . To be honest my feelings are, I would trade any 1 of them for a LH “D” of similar age but with a defensive skillset . That kind of trade maybe easier to get.

  32. Old School G says:

    I’d pay Sabotka Perron-type dollars, then I would stick Sabotka and Perron on a line together with Arcobello and enjoy the show!

  33. ironsight says:

    Hammers:
    McT has to decide if he wants 3 RH “D” with the same skillset ( Or lack off ) . Petry , Larsen & J.Scultz all are interchangeable and I’m not sure any of them are going to improve in the next 2-3 years . If all 3 stay we will continue to loose . To be honest my feelings are, I would trade any 1 of them for a LH “D” of similar age but with a defensive skillset . That kind of trade maybe easier to get.

    February 27, 2012, Edmonton Oilers trade RH puck moving defenseman Tom Gilbert to the Minnesota Wild for similar aged LH defensive stalwart Nick Schultz.

    December 19, 2013, Nick Schultz gets walked twice by Matt Duchene in a 4-2 loss whilst playing on the Oilers bottom D pairing, while Tom Gilbert pots the game winner for Florida in a win over Ottawa while playing on the team’s first D pairing.

  34. FastOil says:

    ironsight: February 27, 2012, Edmonton Oilers trade RH puck moving defenseman Tom Gilbert to the Minnesota Wild for similar aged LH defensive stalwart Nick Schultz.

    December 19, 2013, Nick Schultz gets walked twice by Matt Duchene in a 4-2 loss whilst playing on the Oilers bottom D pairing, while Tom Gilbert pots the game winner for Florida in a win over Ottawa while playing on the team’s first D pairing.

    This inability to perceive what is of value is the real reason for the standings. I think also too much personal baggage, coaches and managers having a problem with players and letting them go over that without an adequate replacement. That is unprofessional.

    We can only hope MacT gets it. The Perron deal says yes, Gordon was a no brainer, a lot of misfires and risks taken and holes left when better players were available for little say no.

    Until next season, again, after that I won’t cut any more slack, and this time I’ll stick to it! Over a year to get role players at least should be enough time for any competent manager. Big trades are not mandatory to improve this team.

    I hope the juniors give us a reprieve this holidays and don’t pile on with the ugly :)

  35. BrazilianOil says:

    Woodguy,

    He’s RFA. A kind of trde like 57′s will be great.

    I also think this year MacT can be agressive with offer sheets.

    I’m tryng to find a good/ realistic tarjet for 2C . Ideas?

  36. cabbiesmacker says:

    TheGreatMutato:
    dawgtoy,

    .Tell me what’s wrong with this picture: Oilers Roster…?

    Smyth’s mullet?

  37. cabbiesmacker says:

    Old School G:
    I’d pay SabotkaPerron-type dollars, then I would stick Sabotka and Perron on a line together with Arcobello and enjoy the show!

    That’d be a “short” show. Nothing much to see there.

  38. Thinker says:

    I’m salavating over mcdavid.

  39. cabbiesmacker says:

    Thinker:
    I’m salavating over mcdavid.

    I’m pining for the fjords

  40. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Omark’s mismanagement happened long ago.

    One thing I really like about MacT is that he is pretty decisive about players and has follow-through.

    He knew the Oilers weren’t going to play Omark, but Omark came to him and wanted in to the NHL. He gave him a friendly contract and promised to find him a job if possible. And did it. I think, after the Rajala move, we can assume Omark would have been given the same deal years ago and allowed to try his trade on the open market if MacT was in charge.

    I wish him all the best in up-state. I hope he can secure a contract into next season. And, I hope we draft another Chase with the return.

  41. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    oliveoilers:
    Morning Fellas!Apologise in advance for a long post, but the coincidence that happened couldn’t be kept!

    I attended a very boring management course recently and read this in the course notes on Team Communications:

    “Team Dynamics

    Just forming a group of people and calling it a team does not necessarily mean that it will be successful.Some teams are so dysfunctional that more energy is expended trying to make them work than would be spent by each person working as an individual.This can be expressed as 2+24.

    The Five Dysfunctions of a Team

    1.Absence of Trust:Leads to Feelings of Invulnerability (of individual team members)
    2.Fear of Conflict:Leads to Artificial Harmony (within the team)
    3.Lack of Commitment:Leads to Ambiguity
    4.Avoidance of Accountability:Leads to Low Standards
    5.Inattention to Results:Leads to inflated Status and Ego”

    Now, I know that Rom will probably have an apoplexy because this is dark magic that can’t be measured with stats or numbers in Matrix like Neo vision.I just though it was a coincidence that as I read this, I immediately thought “because Oilers!”I find points 4 and 5 especially intriguing .Please easy on me!

    What is “2+24″?

    THis reminds me of good ole Ralph! Maybe he consulted on the talking points for your management course :)

    At any rate, I don’t have any problem with all of this, nor am I some stats head. I may have the thinest grasp of math here.

  42. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    BrazilianOil: I’m tryng to find a good/ realistic tarjet for 2C . Ideas?

    Leon Draisaitl in 3 years?

  43. Thinker says:

    Reinhart and mcdavid are electric together. You heard it her first. Ekblad looks good too. Are we allowed to talk draft picks for 2015 yet? I would love to have mcdavid and reinhart.

  44. theres oil in virginia says:

    knighttown,

    Duchene was definitely wheeling. Still, how many times do you have to see the same act before adjusting? It was a little bit like a microcosm of the game. Avs had their legs Oilers didn’t. Good thing the Oilers are heading home…to face STL, doh!

    How ’bout Hall, though, on the RNH goal. Looks like a guy who wants to be traded. Heh. (Just to be clear, that’s a jab at the ridiculous and completely unfounded – in my opinion – suggestion that Hall is a “darksider” or wants to be traded.)

  45. Old School G says:

    cabbiesmacker: That’d be a “short” show. Nothing much to see there.

    I respectfully disagree, all three players are gritty with some skill and they all like the chippy or, in my opinion, the fun side of the game. They all know how big they are but they don’t seem to care and neither do I. I just want to see some good, honest, hard hockey from our depth players, let the other team know it’s going to be a long night. Jones and Joensuu are big bodies….

  46. barry.moore23 says:

    TheGreatMutato,

    Ha — Donovan McNabb. Maybe we could use him ???

    Peace.

  47. Factotum says:

    Seems like Buffalo did pretty well the last time they picked up a discarded European winger from the Oilers…

    Off topic:

    As it stands now, with the season less than half over the Oilers have nothing meaningful to play for. And I’m struggling – and failing – to find a compelling reason to continue to invest my time in them. The mind wanders.

    I’ve decided the NHL needs something like a 6 team relegation league, with the top 24 teams fighting for 16 playoff spots and the bottom 6 having their own 4-team playoff. Each year the two finalists from the relegation league get moved up and the bottom two from the top league get moved down. This would only work if there was some kind of salary cap relaxation for the relegated teams, and the advantage (besides being in the draft lottery) of being relegated is that your players will have had playoff experience by the time you earn your way back up.

    I’m sure I need to think through the details a lot more, but players and fans alike need to know meaning, purpose, and hope – and let’s face it, there’s precious little of any of them in Oil Country any more. In my imagination, a 7-game playoff series between, say, the Oilers and Flames to decide which team gets relegated for another year sounds like it just might be worth watching. Into the 8th season of futility, I need a reason.

    The mind wanders.

  48. theres oil in virginia says:

    Clarkenstein: So a team that will no doubt be DFL in a couple weeks or less…

    Hey, don’t sell BUF and NYI short. If there’s one thing those teams know, it’s how to lose! Ugh.

  49. Bag of Pucks says:

    It’s understandable that Oiler fans mourn the ones that got away (Pronger, Hejda, Glencross. etc.), but I think it deflects attention from away from the real root cause that has turned this team into a perennial loser. The Oilers suck at drafting and developing players.

    Teams like the Sharks, Kings, Bruins, Habs, and Predators lose their fair share of players to free agency, retirement, injury, etc too. But unlike the Oilers, they don’t have to finish in the basement to find good players in the draft. They’re able to remain perennial contenders by continually restocking their rosters with young emerging talent from picks outside the lottery spots. While the Oilers are drafting players like Sam Gagner, the Sharks are drafting Logan Couture. While the Oilers are drafting Jeff Petry, the Bruins are drafting Milan Lucic. While the Oilers are drafting Taylor Chorney, the Kings are drafting Jonathan Quick. etc

    This org’s inherent flaw pre-dates MacT, Lowe, Tambellini and Katz and goes back to the mid 80′s.

    Is Yakupov the next Bonsignore or Steve Kelly? Time will tell, but given the Oilers’ track record, you can’t rule out the possibility.

    Magnificent Bastard? Where are the winning picks outside the first round? Outside Eberle, this org is still meh at the draft table.

  50. Doomoil says:

    Hammers:
    McT has to decide if he wants 3 RH “D” with the same skillset ( Or lack off ) . Petry , Larsen & J.Scultz all are interchangeable and I’m not sure any of them are going to improve in the next 2-3 years . If all 3 stay we will continue to loose . To be honest my feelings are, I would trade any 1 of them for a LH “D” of similar age but with a defensive skillset . That kind of trade maybe easier to get.

    One of these things is not like the others.

  51. hoser313 says:

    cabbiesmacker: Smyth’s mullet?

    Nice. Also, not one but TWO Eric Belangers on the roster. Someone somewhere is having fun at work.

  52. lance says:

    I tried to take a step back. The first impotus came after the six ring dialogue as that gave me a whole new view of whom I was previously trying to defend. There were clues earlier: the Souray fiasco, the homogenous press, then the dump of Smid and now Omark really make me ponder what may actually be going on.

    This morning the lady asked me if I really thought the Oilers were trying to win. She suggested that the team obligation is to transfer money among banks and keep it off the streets, and given G Money(?)’s assessment that penalties are only called against Canadian teams, I wonder if KLowe’s knowledge about winning actually means what we think it means.

    Is it possible that the Oilers are more intent on maintaining control of people and players and money than actually winning anything? Are we getting played? To me it seems the Smid Omark and Souray deal point precisely towards a control of attitude instead of any attempt to win.

    And let me say, I definitely know something about attitude, if there was ever any concern about that.

  53. Doomoil says:

    Why are people acting like Omark was some super hot commodity and the Oilers gave him up for nothing.

    Two teams were in talks on Omark and the best deal on the table was a conditional sixth. We still don’t know what the exact conditions are, maybe it turns in to a fifth or fourth by the end of the year.

    The Smid deal is still baffling, but it is funny reading Flames fans come to the same realizations about his game and limitations that we all knew.

  54. LMHF#1 says:

    Looking at a couple recent draftees that were of interest. I’m still hoping one of them could be acquired in a trade at the deadline or otherwise.

    Anthony Mantha leads the Q in scoring by nearly 20 points and is scoring at over 1 goal/game.

    Henrik Samuelsson is also having another very nice season, leading the Oil Kings in scoring.

    How do you acquire these mid-high prospects before they make an impact? Happens all the time in MLB but not so much in the NHL.

  55. Thinker says:

    Don’t know if anyone is watching the game, but man are the finns aggressive on the pk. Constantly harrassing the dmen. And two guys deep on the forecheck.

  56. theres oil in virginia says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    It’s understandable that Oiler fans mourn the ones that got away (Pronger, Hejda, Glencross. etc.), but I think it deflects attention from away from the real root cause that has turned this team into a perennial loser. The Oilers suck at drafting and developing players.

    Teams like the Sharks, Kings, Bruins, Habs, and Predators lose their fair share of players to free agency, retirement, injury, etc too. But unlike the Oilers, they don’t have to finish in the basement to find good players in the draft. They’re able to remain perennial contenders by continually restocking their rosters with young emerging talent from picks outside the lottery spots. While the Oilers are drafting players like Sam Gagner, the Sharks are drafting Logan Couture. While the Oilers are drafting Jeff Petry, the Bruins are drafting Milan Lucic. While the Oilers are drafting Taylor Chorney, the Kings are drafting Jonathan Quick. etc

    This org’s inherent flaw pre-dates MacT, Lowe, Tambellini and Katz and goes back to the mid 80′s.

    Is Yakupov the next Bonsignore or Steve Kelly? Time will tell, but given the Oilers’ track record, you can’t rule out the possibility.

    Magnificent Bastard? Where are the winning picks outside the first round? Outside Eberle, this org is still meh at the draft table.

    I agree with your sentiment that the key is drafting and development, and the Oilers org isn’t getting an A+. However, you’re cherry picking draft picks and comparing them, and that is misleading. Lots of teams passed on Lucic, including the Bruins. Worse, comparing Yak to Kelly and Bonsignore is way off the mark. Yak has already gone way past the level of those two duds.

  57. delooper says:

    I imagine Omark could have made things work out better in Edmonton but he was out of sync with the needs of the team just a little too often. Hopefully he finds a role on a team soon, and hopefully whatever Edmonton gets in return will be useful… for something.

  58. Andy P says:

    Swapping this player for that, or drafting this player instead of that one, is farting in the wind until you fix the core, strategic, problems that persist with a team that has become a perennial loser.

    You can see Eakins’ frustration at his direction not going through. If that is because the Assistants fundamentally run the team, undermining the work of every Head Coach since they were employed, secure in the backing of 6 rings, then there’s our problem. If Eakins can’t choose his own assistants because…. 6 Rings, then all that’s left is a “Hey Ho Lowe Must Go” chant at every Oilers game.

    Would Messier be better than 6 Rings?

  59. lance says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    I asked if anyone thought it possible that the Oilers aren’t actually trying to win, and this is your response? That you read about aliens on the internet? I read about companies in Virginia blasting mountain tops and contaminating the rivers with cadmium. LT says its okay to say disparaging things about other posters so while still leaving the conspiracy overtones intact I will say that I’m somehow not surprised to hear a proud oil company employee try to side step my comment.

    I don’t think I can give any money to the OIlers while this iron fisted approach to management remains. I just don’t see enough evidence that they’re actually trying to win, that they have a functioning team work model, or have any idea how open communication is beneficial. Instead coaches are apparently fired because they want new assistants, though I don’t actually know what is going on remotely. Hence my asking the question. And while the games are significantly more watchable over the last ten games compared to the first ten games, I am just not sure that there is as much focus on winning as there is in fleecing the city for 480M, letting corporations use season tickets for 100M+ in tax write offs, or as the lady points out, countless other efforts to keep QE dollars out of the hands of the people.

    What evidence do you have this organization is actually trying to win? Maybe you can take a moment to address that instead?

  60. Clarkenstein says:

    theres oil in virginia: Hey, don’t sell BUF and NYI short. If there’s one thing those teams know, it’s how to lose! Ugh.

    They sure do but so do the Oil! Played 37 games this year and have FOUR 5 game losing streaks. I wouldn’t worry about the Oil…these fuckers can lose!!

  61. maudite says:

    Factotum:
    Seems like Buffalo did pretty well the last time they picked up a discarded European winger from the Oilers…

    Off topic:

    As it stands now, with the season less than half over the Oilers have nothing meaningful to play for.And I’m struggling – and failing – to find a compelling reason to continue to invest my time in them.The mind wanders.

    I’ve decided the NHL needs something like a 6 team relegation league, with the top 24 teams fighting for 16 playoff spots and the bottom 6 having their own 4-team playoff.Each year the two finalists from the relegation league get moved up and the bottom two from the top league get moved down.This would only work if there was some kind of salary cap relaxation for the relegated teams, and the advantage (besides being in the draft lottery) of being relegated is that your players will have had playoff experience by the time you earn your way back up.

    I’m sure I need to think through the details a lot more, but players and fans alike need to know meaning, purpose, and hope – and let’s face it, there’s precious little of any of them in Oil Country any more.In my imagination, a 7-game playoff series between, say, the Oilers and Flames to decide which team gets relegated for another year sounds like it just might be worth watching.Into the 8th season of futility, I need a reason.

    The mind wanders.

    I’ve always thought you should have a playoff tournament for the loser franchises for draft position. A home and away game (soccer style) best goal differential takes that round. Have it somewhat stacked in worst losers favour…aka.

    30th vs 29th, 28th vs 27th…..20th – 19th…18th – 17th

    following round

    winner (30th vs 29th) vs winner (28th vs 27th)…etc.

    Winner of tourney gets 1st overall. a couple meaningful games revenue in otherwise empty rinks and something to play for. Gives loser team’s player at least a taste of playoff like hockey. Most importantly, it does not completely pander to inept management or fire selling at deadline into “winning” something.

  62. Young Oil says:

    maudite: I’ve always thought you should have a playoff tournament for the loser franchises for draft position.A home and away game (soccer style) best goal differential takes that round.Have it somewhat stacked in worst losers favour…aka.

    30th vs 29th, 28th vs 27th…..20th – 19th…18th – 17th

    following round

    winner (30th vs 29th) vs winner (28th vs 27th)…etc.

    Winner of tourney gets 1st overall.a couple meaningful games revenue in otherwise empty rinks and something to play for.Gives loserteam’s player at least a taste of playoff like hockey.Most importantly, it does not completely pander to inept management or fire selling at deadline into “winning” something.

    While this is entertaining in theory, there is no way it could work. The teams who just missed the playoffs would have a clear advantage, and get better picks, leaving the worst teams to get worse and worse.

    Furthermore, there is no way the players/managers would want to play hockey to get the first pick. Players don’t get paid for postseason, so why would they want to risk injury in order to get a player on the team who could potentially put them out of a job?

  63. maudite says:

    Young Oil,

    Pay them then. Percentage of revenue from those games. As far as picks go:

    You have 14 teams. You could even do two tiers if you were concerned:

    Bottom 6 (1st to 6th picks on the line and Next 8 (7th -14th)

    I know it won’t happen but I am more a twisted observer at a brutal car accident than a “fan” of this team since we decided to suck our way to the Stanley. It’s just not a respectable approach from any angle..

  64. Halfwise says:

    lance,

    I think how it works is the person with the new theory (that’s you) has to show why his theory is credible, and explains things better than the conventional wisdom.

    Here’s my theory: the guys running the Oilers want to win, and want to make as much money as possible. And being in the playoffs makes more money than missing the playoffs, since there is all that revenue but the players are paid nothing.

    So whatever your theory is about motivation, I think it is not credible.

    If you had a theory about management’s ability, rather than management’s motivation, we might find more common ground.

    My theory: KL and Tambellini and Katz and whoever else, collectively, have less ability to create a winning team than two dozen or so other NHL management teams. With Tambellini out and MacT in, they have more ability than they used to. But it still might not be enough.

  65. GordM says:

    maudite: I’ve always thought you should have a playoff tournament for the loser franchises for draft position.A home and away game (soccer style) best goal differential takes that round.Have it somewhat stacked in worst losers favour…aka.

    30th vs 29th, 28th vs 27th…..20th – 19th…18th – 17th

    following round

    winner (30th vs 29th) vs winner (28th vs 27th)…etc.

    Winner of tourney gets 1st overall.a couple meaningful games revenue in otherwise empty rinks and something to play for.Gives loserteam’s player at least a taste of playoff like hockey.Most importantly, it does not completely pander to inept management or fire selling at deadline into “winning” something.

    Like the idea but maybe just chunk it out as follows:

    30th/29th/28th/27th play for picks one through 4
    26th/25th/24th/23rd play for picks 5 through 8
    22nd/21st/20th/19th play for picks 9-12
    18th/17th with the grudge match for the 13th overall pick

    I probably have an error in here somewhere but ya’ll get the idea.

  66. rickithebear says:

    lance:
    theres oil in virginia,

    I asked if anyone thought it possible that the Oilers aren’t actually trying to win, and this is your response?That you read about aliens on the internet?I read about companies in Virginia blasting mountain tops and contaminating the rivers with cadmium.LT says its okay to say disparaging things about other posters so while still leaving the conspiracy overtones intact I will say that I’m somehow not surprised to hear a proud oil company employee try to side step my comment.

    I don’t think I can give any money to the OIlers while this iron fisted approach to management remains.I just don’t see enough evidence that they’re actually trying to win, that they have a functioning team work model, or have any idea how open communication is beneficial.Instead coaches are apparently fired because they want new assistants, though I don’t actually know what is going on remotely.Hence my asking the question.And while the games are significantly more watchable over the last ten games compared to the first ten games, I am just not sure that there is as much focus on winning as there is in fleecing the city for 480M, letting corporations use season tickets for 100M+ in tax write offs, or as the lady points out, countless other efforts to keep QE dollars out of the hands of the people.

    What evidence do you have this organization is actually trying to win?Maybe you can take a moment to address that instead?

    It took 11 years of drafting and an infusion of UFa’s Hossa, Campbell, Kopecky, Sopel, Madden, Niemi to chicago its first cup.

    From 1999 to 2007 the resultant players after trades and ufa
    Hemsky UFA
    Dubnyk UFA
    Petry RFA
    Gagner 4.8M
    Eberle top5 RW in league. drafted in 2008 under new head scout.

    Since then we have:
    Perron (MPS), Lander, Hall, pitlick, RNH, Yakupov,

    So next year from drafts 1999 to 2013

    we will have:

    Hall-RNH-Eberle
    Perron-Gagner-Yak
    XXX-XXX-XXX
    XXX-Lander-Pitlick
    XXX-XXX

    XXX-Petry
    XXX-XXX
    XXX-XXX

    XXX
    XXX

    Bolstered by UfA
    Gordon, Arco, Ference, Joensuu, J.schultz

    of this i would consider 9 of them suited for thier role in the league.

    Chicago tends to mature there players in the AHL.
    we do not have that ability even in the future.

    Blame Katz?
    i am not a fan.
    but this teams problems were created well before he came along.
    The 2008 draft on is under mr. Katz.
    It is silly to expect anything highly competitive til 2016-17.

  67. Caramel Obvious says:

    Back to the Oilers. It is incredible how much of their trouble stems from Justin Schultz being terrible. He is completely and utterly lost. He makes terrible play after terrible play. The guys who dominated in the AHL is nowhere to be seen.

    So what to do? For starters he should be allowed nowhere near the powerplay for the rest of the year. The problems with the powerplay start and end with him.

  68. lance says:

    Halfwise,

    Nice. A genuine response. I can take a rip at explaining said “new” theory. Again, not sure I believe they are actually trying to lose, I’m just throwing it out there as a possibility.

    First. You can assume that each team operates independantly of each other, and I can assume the league is working as a collective. Until we’re granted access to the private earnings of the NHL as a whole (numbers I’ve never seen) we have no idea. It is possible that Katz gets no benefit from Snider’s wellness, and its possible that he does. I have never seen actual ledgers for transfer payments and I suspect neither has anyone else.

    So lets for a second consider that the league is a collective and that each owner is better off when collective (tv) revenue rises. If a winning team in Edmonton generates revenue about equal to a losing team in Edmonton, and a winning team in Phoenix generates more revenue than a losing team in Phoenix, then the collective is better when the team in Phoenix wins.

    Regarding playoffs, as long as 16 teams are in, the collective generates about the same total. However, when NYC and socal teams win, the possibility for generating tv revenue is higher than if Canadian teams win in the playoffs because the market in Edmonton is generally already completely saturated where in Phoenix almost no one knows the rules of icing and viewership in Detroit is better when Detroit wins.

    Next, it is possible that the whole point of pro sports is to move QE money around without letting it hit the streets, and that any one franchise is of minimal significance to that end. Cities build $500M stadiums every 20 years, leverage assets, then pay interest payments to banks. Teams collect thousands of dollars from every season ticket holder annually thereby keeping even more dollars off the street. Or, if all these dollars were spent at the farmer’s market instead, how much faster would the price of bread rise compared to these same dollars being put back into banks and IRA’s via $450 sweaters and $6M annual salaries to pawns in said effort? I don’t know that either, but the answer is certainly >0.

    So I guess the only reason Katz would want his team to win is if he is NOT part of a collective and is independantly able to collect revenue compared to the owner of the Coyotes, aka no transfer agreements based on adherence to Bettman Law. Remember, the decision to lock out players was called unanimous.

    Scientific theory takes facts then proposes a hypothesis based on facts. Attournment proposes a theory and then collects facts to support said theory. I’m merely suggesting that:
    - the Souray fiasco (good player demoted because of comments made =/= effort to win);
    - 6 year NHL vet traded for prospect passed on at draft (=/= attempt to win);
    - Omark never given an opportunity to play with talent then shipped out (=/= attempt to win);
    - Hall smoked from behind with no penalty, Sam crosschecked with no penalty, then given 5 + for same;
    - G Money’s assertion that penalties are called for US teams against Canadian teams disproportionately;
    - kLowe remaining as president despite historically bad results;
    - Kruger alledgedly shipped for demanding new assistants;
    -US teams winning the title every year since 1993?
    all collectively lead me to ask for evidence that Katz actually wants to win. Again, I’m not starting with a premise then collecting convenient facts, I’m starting with facts and proposing a new hypothesis while asking for evidence to the contrary. Until I can see the books for NHL inc., I can’t really know if the league is structured as a collective or as a series of independant parts. But the more I think about it, the more it seems that the league is structured to allow US teams to win, Canadian teams to drown, and each of us asked to pay about 10% more per year.

    I just want to make sure here that I’m not actually the chump. And the more I see decisions like the way they handled Omark and Souray, the more I really wonder.

  69. rickithebear says:

    Complaining about 1999 to 2007 is a little late!

    Plus you have to accept that owners get a new toy and want to play.
    it takes 2-3 years to realize the state of the team.
    See buffalo 2013.
    which was edmonton 2010.

  70. denny33 says:

    Doomoil,

    Why are people acting like Omark was some super hot commodity and the Oilers gave him up for nothing.
    *********************************************************************
    14 goals in 29 games playing with anchors. The AHL is a good league people.

    There are some stud prospects down in the AHL. All trailing Omark.

    Again, nobody is saying Omark would score 20 goals…but we do see what we play in our bottom 6 most nights.

    Current bottom 6 forwards vs Omark …..

  71. FastOil says:

    lance:
    I tried to take a step back.The first impotus came after the six ring dialogue as that gave me a whole new view of whom I was previously trying to defend.There were clues earlier: the Souray fiasco, the homogenous press, then the dump of Smid and now Omark really make me ponder what may actually be going on.

    This morning the lady asked me if I really thought the Oilers were trying to win.She suggested that the team obligation is to transfer money among banks and keep it off the streets, and given G Money(?)’s assessment that penalties are only called against Canadian teams, I wonder if KLowe’s knowledge about winning actually means what we think it means.

    Is it possible that the Oilers are more intent on maintaining control of people and players and money than actually winning anything?Are we getting played?To me it seems the Smid Omark and Souray deal point precisely towards a control of attitude instead of any attempt to win.

    And let me say, I definitely know something about attitude, if there was ever any concern about that.

    I wish I felt they were that smart.

  72. theres oil in virginia says:

    lance,

    Sorry about that. That was sort of a drive-by posting. Kinda rude. Anyway, your post did strike me as a bit conspiracy-theory-ish, which in general, I’m not against, but what is the evidence for such an elaborate idea? Particularly the parts about controlling people. It wasn’t exactly clear what you meant by that, and the implications are both broad and sharp. It’s a high accusation, and you should generally reserve those for after you have a substantial amount of evidence. You also brought in G Money’s conspiracy theory about penalties and Canadian teams. (I’m not sure there’s much evidence of this either, and certainly there are other explanations – one of which is that when you chirp the refs after every call, they turn against you…hello Taylor Hall!) So, I’m not sure that all of the parts of your idea add up to the whole. In summary, your idea is either loosely constructed or loosely explained.

    Regarding banks, corporations and money, there’s no doubt that these entities are trying to increase spending in the economy, and that means putting money (usually in the form of loans) into people’s hands for them to spend it. I think that this is generally accepted to be true both by those in favor of this policy, and by those opposed to it, and this is the opposite of your contention that the team is trying to keep money “off the streets”. I’m not sure how involved the Oilers are in any aspect of this. If anything, the troubling part is the relationship to the taxpayer and the subsidies that the team is enjoying.

    Regarding Virginia and mountain top removal and cadmium, I’ve not heard that specifically, but there are sure plenty of environmental issues regarding mining, and the new craze is “fracking”. There are also corruption issues related to mineral rights and proper compensation, and the general commonality is that the government is right in the middle of it – and not in a good way. The problems of mountaintop removal and fracking are much worse in West Virginia.

    I don’t work for an oil company ( I think that was your insinuation?), but I wouldn’t be opposed to it. I work indirectly with a mining company, and generally they are pretty environmentally responsible, and good to the landowners affected by their activity. In the modern economy, it’s difficult to separate whose dollars are coming from where, due to the amount of interconnectivity of these corporations and banks, and therefore, it’s difficult to determine just who has the moral highground. (This is getting very close to a religious/philosophical worldview discussion.) The way I see it, I need dollars in order to support myself and my family, and I’m willing to engage in commerce with these companies in order to get these dollars. Hopefully, if it were determined that these companies were engaged in activities that were destroying lives, our society would deal with them appropriately…hopefully, although I sometimes have my doubts.

    Regarding your choices on how to spend your dollars, you should make whatever choices you think are correct, using whatever ideologies you think are appropriate. If that means not spending on the Oilers, so be it. I think it’s important to remember that this is entertainment.

  73. denny33 says:

    LMHF#1,

    Looking at a couple recent draftees that were of interest. I’m still hoping one of them could be acquired in a trade at the deadline or otherwise.
    Anthony Mantha leads the Q in scoring by nearly 20 points and is scoring at over 1 goal/game.
    Henrik Samuelsson is also having another very nice season, leading the Oil Kings in scoring.
    How do you acquire these mid-high prospects before they make an impact? Happens all the time in MLB but not so much in the NHL.
    **********************************************************************************
    Those are Detroit’s(2013) and Phoenix’s (2012) 1st round picks….prizes of their systems.

    They would ask for a large return for those stud picks.

    Wonder if we would have stood a better chance of moving up 5 spots in 2012 to take Samuelsson instead of taking Mitch Moroz at #33 overall.

    Your point is valid – how can Detroit – who continues to finish in the top half of the league continue to stock its systems with A Mantha’s of the world…

  74. theres oil in virginia says:

    lance: First. You can assume that each team operates independantly of each other, and I can assume the league is working as a collective. Until we’re granted access to the private earnings of the NHL as a whole (numbers I’ve never seen) we have no idea. It is possible that Katz gets no benefit from Snider’s wellness, and its possible that he does. I have never seen actual ledgers for transfer payments and I suspect neither has anyone else.

    We do have some evidence for this, and it usually comes out during labor disputes, but it appears that there are a handful of owners – fucking Ed Snider – who mostly control the league, and the other owners are happy to go along if they can either have some fun being a pro-sports team owner or keep making some profit, or keep getting tax benefits, or…whatever reason they are in it for.
    There’s sort of a dichotomy here, the league is both competitive and cooperative. They cooperate against labor, but compete in the market. It’s kinda fucked up, if you ask me.

  75. theres oil in virginia says:

    lance: So lets for a second consider that the league is a collective and that each owner is better off when collective (tv) revenue rises. If a winning team in Edmonton generates revenue about equal to a losing team in Edmonton, and a winning team in Phoenix generates more revenue than a losing team in Phoenix, then the collective is better when the team in Phoenix wins.
    Regarding playoffs, as long as 16 teams are in, the collective generates about the same total. However, when NYC and socal teams win, the possibility for generating tv revenue is higher than if Canadian teams win in the playoffs because the market in Edmonton is generally already completely saturated where in Phoenix almost no one knows the rules of icing and viewership in Detroit is better when Detroit wins.

    This would be a very delicate dance. There’s no evidence that this sort of wins and losses balancing is going on. The idea that the league favors certain teams to be in the playoffs is not new, but there’s never been any credible substantiation of the accusation. If there is this sort of thing going on, it’s almost certainly not voluntary by the loser teams.

  76. theres oil in virginia says:

    lance: Next, it is possible that the whole point of pro sports is to move QE money around without letting it hit the streets, and that any one franchise is of minimal significance to that end. Cities build $500M stadiums every 20 years, leverage assets, then pay interest payments to banks. Teams collect thousands of dollars from every season ticket holder annually thereby keeping even more dollars off the street. Or, if all these dollars were spent at the farmer’s market instead, how much faster would the price of bread rise compared to these same dollars being put back into banks and IRA’s via $450 sweaters and $6M annual salaries to pawns in said effort? I don’t know that either, but the answer is certainly >0.

    I’m not entirely sure what you mean by “hit the streets”. At any rate, pro-sports have been around for a lot longer than QE has been around. Also, the entire NHL is a few hundreds of billions of dollars per year venture. The US Federal Reserve sent something like $16 trillion to European central bans and corporations during QE1. Even if there is a direct relationship, and I don’t think that there is, the NHL’s entire venture is pennies for these banks.

  77. commonfan14 says:

    lance,

    If the NHL is as much a collective as your post suggests, why would they have teams in markets that handicap them to the point of needing to be propped up artificially?

    Why would any owner ever run into financial difficulty and have to sell?

    You root for a hockey team that’s having trouble getting its shit together. Don’t let it make you nuts.

  78. theres oil in virginia says:

    lance: So I guess the only reason Katz would want his team to win is if he is NOT part of a collective and is independantly able to collect revenue compared to the owner of the Coyotes, aka no transfer agreements based on adherence to Bettman Law. Remember, the decision to lock out players was called unanimous.

    What exactly is Bettman Law? It’s very doubtful that the decision to lock out was unaminous, the toughest job Bettman had was keeping the owners quiet. If they showed any sign of a fracture, which they did, then labor would have the upper hand, which they did. It’s important to remember that simply because they act like a unified entity to the public, that doesn’t indicate that they really are a unified entity.

  79. spoiler says:

    lance: Halfwise, Nice. A genuine response. I can take a rip at explaining said “new” theory. Again, not sure I believe they are actually trying to lose, I’m just throwing it out there as a possibility.First. You can assume that each team operates independantly of each other, and I can assume the league is working as a collective. Until we’re granted access to the private earnings of the NHL as a whole (numbers I’ve never seen) we have no idea. It is possible that Katz gets no benefit from Snider’s wellness, and its possible that he does. I have never seen actual ledgers for transfer payments and I suspect neither has anyone else. So lets for a second consider that the league is a collective and that each owner is better off when collective (tv) revenue rises. If a winning team in Edmonton generates revenue about equal to a losing team in Edmonton, and a winning team in Phoenix generates more revenue than a losing team in Phoenix, then the collective is better when the team in Phoenix wins. Regarding playoffs, as long as 16 teams are in, the collective generates about the same total. However, when NYC and socal teams win, the possibility for generating tv revenue is higher than if Canadian teams win in the playoffs because the market in Edmonton is generally already completely saturated where in Phoenix almost no one knows the rules of icing and viewership in Detroit is better when Detroit wins.Next, it is possible that the whole point of pro sports is to move QE money around without letting it hit the streets, and that any one franchise is of minimal significance to that end. Cities build $500M stadiums every 20 years, leverage assets, then pay interest payments to banks. Teams collect thousands of dollars from every season ticket holder annually thereby keeping even more dollars off the street. Or, if all these dollars were spent at the farmer’s market instead, how much faster would the price of bread rise compared to these same dollars being put back into banks and IRA’s via $450 sweaters and $6M annual salaries to pawns in said effort? I don’t know that either, but the answer is certainly >0.So I guess the only reason Katz would want his team to win is if he is NOT part of a collective and is independantly able to collect revenue compared to the owner of the Coyotes, aka no transfer agreements based on adherence to Bettman Law. Remember, the decision to lock out players was called unanimous. Scientific theory takes facts then proposes a hypothesis based on facts. Attournment proposes a theory and then collects facts to support said theory. I’m merely suggesting that:- the Souray fiasco (good player demoted because of comments made =/= effort to win);- 6 year NHL vet traded for prospect passed on at draft (=/= attempt to win);- Omark never given an opportunity to play with talent then shipped out (=/= attempt to win);- Hall smoked from behind with no penalty, Sam crosschecked with no penalty, then given 5 + for same;- G Money’s assertion that penalties are called for US teams against Canadian teams disproportionately;- kLowe remaining as president despite historically bad results;- Kruger alledgedly shipped for demanding new assistants;-US teams winning the title every year since 1993?all collectively lead me to ask for evidence that Katz actually wants to win. Again, I’m not starting with a premise then collecting convenient facts, I’m starting with facts and proposing a new hypothesis while asking for evidence to the contrary. Until I can see the books for NHL inc., I can’t really know if the league is structured as a collective or as a series of independant parts. But the more I think about it, the more it seems that the league is structured to allow US teams to win, Canadian teams to drown, and each of us asked to pay about 10% more per year.I just want to make sure here that I’m not actually the chump. And the more I see decisions like the way they handled Omark and Souray, the more I really wonder.

    lance, a couple of points…

    1. QE4eva! is about increasing liquidity and the supply of money, so the process you are describing (“taking money off the streets”) would work against that policy.

    2. When you make payment to a corporation, of any type, it does not “take money off the streets”. It just moves it from one party to another. That corporation will then pay their workers, utilities, suppliers, etc, further moving it to other parties and then those new parties do the same things, so on and so forth. The only thing that reduces money supply (“takes it off the street”) in a fiat money system is the retirement of debt. That is, the payment of a loan that is not rolled over. Each dollar represents a liability of the central bank and the loan of that dollar an asset of the CB… and when loans are paid these assets and their balancing liabilities are removed from the system ( but fortunately your government is there to borrow more money in your name so actual debt does not reduce and therefore collapse the whole ponzi pyramid) thus taking the money off the street.

  80. theres oil in virginia says:

    lance: Scientific theory takes facts then proposes a hypothesis based on facts. Attournment proposes a theory and then collects facts to support said theory. I’m merely suggesting that:
    - the Souray fiasco (good player demoted because of comments made =/= effort to win);
    - 6 year NHL vet traded for prospect passed on at draft (=/= attempt to win);
    - Omark never given an opportunity to play with talent then shipped out (=/= attempt to win);
    - Hall smoked from behind with no penalty, Sam crosschecked with no penalty, then given 5 + for same;
    - G Money’s assertion that penalties are called for US teams against Canadian teams disproportionately;
    - kLowe remaining as president despite historically bad results;
    - Kruger alledgedly shipped for demanding new assistants;
    -US teams winning the title every year since 1993?
    all collectively lead me to ask for evidence that Katz actually wants to win. Again, I’m not starting with a premise then collecting convenient facts, I’m starting with facts and proposing a new hypothesis while asking for evidence to the contrary. Until I can see the books for NHL inc., I can’t really know if the league is structured as a collective or as a series of independant parts. But the more I think about it, the more it seems that the league is structured to allow US teams to win, Canadian teams to drown, and each of us asked to pay about 10% more per year.

    I know a little about the scientific method, and that isn’t exactly how it works. First, “scientific theory” doesn’t propose a hypothesis. Second, you should be careful about using the term “fact”. A scientific hypothesis is based on observations and is testable. A scientific theory is a hypothesis that has been tested by further observation and has held up, so far. I’m not sure what you mean by “attournment”, but you just described the behavior of a lot of “scientists” that I have interacted with or looked into. It is surprising, and disappointing, how much “science” is conducted in this fashion.

    Look man, in general, you’ve got some interesting ideas here, but damn…you’re all over the map and a lot of what you are taking to be “facts” are really just assertions. Is it possible that all of these different things that you refer to are not related? Maybe many of the small points you make are true, or at least have some truth to them, but are they all related and can they be assembled in the way you are assembling them? I think you should scale back a bit and try to deal with each of the parts your ideas in isolation until you have a firm grasp on each small part. Then you can try to assemble them together, but you may find that when you have a better grasp on the parts, that they don’t fit together so easily.

    I think Commonfan14 is right, don’t let this shit make you nuts!

    Peace.

  81. bookje says:

    lance,

    The problem with conspiracy theories is that they usually involve tremendous planning, execution and secrecy from groups of individuals who have demonstrated that they are capable of such things. Furthermore, for them to last so long with so many defectors who could benefit from whistleblowing is impossible. Added this is The amount of attention the press gives to these orgAnizations, never mind antitrust officials another seeking evidence of such collusion.

    It’s not the least bit viable.

  82. denny33 says:

    QMI Agency:

    Player for player, Sweden’s world junior team is better than Canada.

    It has more skill and a better netminder, according to one cocky prospect.

    Swedish forward Andre Burakovsky, who plays alongside Canadians Connor McDavid and Adam Pelech with the Erie Otters of the OHL, provided Canada with plenty of ammunition this week with his comments ahead of the 2014 world junior tournament in Malmo, Sweden.

    “I know what Canada brings and if I look at what they have and what we have … I think I can say that we have a better team on paper,” Burakovsky told Skanskan.se
    ***************************************************************************
    Just posted yesterday the high number of later round draft choices on Team Canada…

  83. spoiler says:

    bookje: The problem with conspiracy theories is that they usually involve tremendous planning, execution and secrecy from groups of individuals who have demonstrated that they are capable of such things. Furthermore, for them to last so long with so many defectors who could benefit from whistleblowing is impossible. Added this is The amount of attention the press gives to these orgAnizations, never mind antitrust officials another seeking evidence of such collusion.

    This is a pretty poor argument as no one knows in the present whether there will be any future whistle-blowing or loss of secrecy. The recent exposure of Libor manipulation, the ongoing FX manipulation investigation, the new gold fix manipulation investigation, the insider trading case against Stevie Cohen, Madoff’s ponzi scheme, Enron… all these things were conspiracies that successfully hid themselves… till they couldn’t. Your broad argument against all conspiracy theory, one that is frequently re-iterated by the MSM, falls miserably flat and always has.

    However I do agree that the conspiracy Lance describes is very very unlikely.

  84. theres oil in virginia says:

    spoiler: However I do agree that the conspiracy Lance describes is very very unlikely.

    Yes, but Lance’s conspiracy can be deconstructed and disproven based on its “factual difficulties”.

    There’s no doubt that the creation of the US Federal Reserve in the early 1900s was the result of a conspiracy. A bunch of crooked bastards got together and figured out how to screw a different bunch of crooked bastards for control of the US economy. Well, I suppose we’re the ones that really got screwed…details, details. Point being that conspiracies occur regularly. The problem with “conspiracy theories” is that they often are the collection of misunderstood, or downright mistaken, parts and are rife with assumptions taken as fact. If one accepts the assumptions as valid, usually the theory looks valid. The problem is that the assumptions are often not valid.

  85. Halfwise says:

    commonfan14: lance, If the NHL is as much a collective as your post suggests, why would they have teams in markets that handicap them to the point of needing to be propped up artificially?Why would any owner ever run into financial difficulty and have to sell?You root for a hockey team that’s having trouble getting its shit together. Don’t let it make you nuts.

    It has to make us nuts, by definition, assuming that “fan” is short for “fanatic”.

    I have a coherent explanation for why management has let talented people (Souray, Hejda, Brodziak, Glencross, last spring’s waiver wire candidates, et al) slip away. They aren’t good at the objective part of their jobs because their emotions get the better of them.

    In the stock market, this is what makes the average investor poor (speaking from experience). In the NHL, this is what makes the Edmonton Oilers poor (in the other sense of “poor”). KL gets mad at #44 being outspoken, or thinks Glencross has made a disrespectful salary request. Rather than build a competitive hockey team, Oiler management settled its grudges. Katz is apparently fine with this, maybe he even enjoys it.

    This team could have been so much better just by keeping the useful pieces that they had. It’s going to take another season or two just to be adequate. In order for this not to make me nuts, I have to be far less invested in whether they win or lose. The opposite of love is not hate, it’s apathy. Plenty of that around, these days.

  86. spoiler says:

    theres oil in virginia: Yes, but Lance’s conspiracy can be deconstructed and disproven based on its “factual difficulties”. There’s no doubt that the creation of the US Federal Reserve in the early 1900s was the result of a conspiracy. A bunch of crooked bastards got together and figured out how to screw a different bunch of crooked bastards for control of the US economy. Well, I suppose we’re the ones that really got screwed…details, details. Point being that conspiracies occur regularly. The problem with “conspiracy theories” is that they often are the collection of misunderstood, or downright mistaken, parts and are rife with assumptions taken as fact. If one accepts the assumptions as valid, usually the theory looks valid. The problem is that the assumptions are often not valid.

    Virginia,

    Nothing to disagree with in there at all. 100 years ago this week, by the way for the Fed. Happy Freakin Birthday!

    I only say “very very unlikely” by the way on the small chance that lance is just putting his thoughts into words poorly. In my head, “very very unlikely” in this case actually means “impossible”.

  87. VOR says:

    I don’t want to fuel Lance’s fire. However, serious, peer reviewed research has shown hockey is partly determined by referee bias (I seem to remember it is about 10%). Now the paper I am thinking of says most of the effect is that the home team gets all the breaks on the ticky-tacky penalties that maybe you call and maybe you don’t. That is all the stuff they let go in the playoffs typically. There does not seem to be any favoritism shown to any specific team. On the other hand I don’t think they compared Canadian to American teams. Given refs favor the home team I find it easy to believe that there might be an effective nudge-nudge, wink-wink arrangement between NHL head office and the officials that encourages the same sort of disparity between what is called and what isn’t determined along country lines.

    That said, I’d really demand a very high level of evidence before I stated it as fact.

    I’ll see if I can’t get the link for the article I am thinking of and maybe someone can figure out how to use the same approach based on whether it is a Canadian or American team versus home and road teams.

  88. theres oil in virginia says:

    spoiler: Nothing to disagree with in there at all. 100 years ago this week, by the way for the Fed. Happy Freakin Birthday!

    What!? I missed that somehow. Where’s the big celebration? Why wasn’t this all over the nightly news? (Not that I would know if it was or wasn’t.) Huh. Maybe it’s best just to keep some subjects from the mundanes (that’s us BTW). After all, we wouldn’t want them discussing the merits of granting control of the nation’s monetary unit to a small group of connected individuals. They might draw the wrong (right) conclusions!

    Happy 100th birthday “Federal Reserve Note”! Will you live to see another 100? What will you be worth by then?

  89. theres oil in virginia says:

    VOR,

    I remember hearing the COL broadcast crew relating a story about Darryl Sutter suggesting the removal of the penalty box because it isn’t used enough to justify the space lost:

    http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/24380123/darryl-sutter-doesnt-exactly-see-a-need-for-the-penalty-box-anymore

    Strange thing is that he sounds like he’s complaining about the low number of penalties, but his team is advantaged by allowing the clutch and grab style.

  90. spoiler says:

    theres oil in virginia: What!? I missed that somehow. Where’s the big celebration? Why wasn’t this all over the nightly news? (Not that I would know if it was or wasn’t.) Huh. Maybe it’s best just to keep some subjects from the mundanes (that’s us BTW). After all, we wouldn’t want them discussing the merits of granting control of the nation’s monetary unit to a small group of connected individuals. They might draw the wrong (right) conclusions!
    Happy 100th birthday “Federal Reserve Note”! Will you live to see another 100? What will you be worth by then?

    Virginia

    Follow this website:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/

    I’m pretty sure they will have some sort of 100th Birthday anti-celebration on December 23. There has already been a couple of articles posted, if you’re willing to go back a few pages. Mises online is certain to do something “in honor” of the Fed. Ron Paul’s website is probably a good bet too.

  91. Pouzar says:

    spoiler: Virginia,

    Nothing to disagree with in there at all.100 years ago this week, by the way for the Fed.Happy Freakin Birthday!

    I only say “very very unlikely” by the way on the small chance that lance is just putting his thoughts into words poorly. In my head, “very very unlikely” in this case actually means “impossible”.

    Oh yes…the Fed….created by Bankers for Bankers.

  92. lance says:

    Woah. I should have probably looked at this a while ago. I’ve been wasted my time watching Ted. No photography to be done on the cloudy day. Weather determines that I have a long weekend.

    I can’t possibly address all this without actually going nuts, but I will say that “Operation Twist” was the expansion of QE to the world, and seemingly since then, the US has had to keep the USD outside of the US else inflation is going to go rampant. While they may be printing funds ad nauseum, if they all ended up in our local hands the prices would go Zimbabwe. That is what I mean by keeping dollars off the streets. They’ve effectively exported the inflation to the world.

    And on the conspiracy note, I don’t really believe in any of them. I do think that a group of old white men did get together on Jeckell Island or some fool thing, but now they’re all dead, and no one, repeat, no one, can do a thing about it now. The money supply is rampantly growing, but if that money ends up on the streets, inflation is going to go through the moon. USD needs to be sent to India and El Salvador, for it it lands back here then the value of it will be worthless. Or, in a world of trillions of dollars, how is it possible that we all have $300?

    The Bettman Law = the notion that all teams continue the appearance of competiveness, but the focus is on markets which can be grown. For instance, to gain 100K new buying customers in Saskatchewan is nearly impossible compared to 100K new fans in LA. So, the effort goes to Phoenix and the Carolinas while the Albertas and Montreals carry on with the sub .500 record, all quiet and peaceful. And if an owner has plans to do something else (Balsille) they’re blackballed or the franchise is sold because the city won’t agree to some Glendale like deal.

    On a side note, I guess today your boy Steven Harper has done something to assure banks the opportunity to sieze depositor’s funds in the event of a bank problem future. Just heard that one this am. Happy birthday Santa.

  93. RexLibris says:

    Oilers, currently 29th overall, trade Linus Omark, #23, to the Sabres, currently 30th overall, for a conditional 6th round pick so that the Sabres can increase their scoring and, potentially, improve.

    Sam Reinhart wears #23 for the Kootenay Ice and is widely expected to be the 1st overall selection of the 30th place team this June.

    Coincidence?

    Reasons I love the internet – one giant conspiracy-theory generator.

    ;)

  94. lance says:

    FastOil: I wish I felt they were that smart.

    Maybe I will go back through a couple of these.

    The Nazi’s weren’t very smart, if they were they’d have finished the Brits before they invaded the Russians. Instead they did have very big sticks. Not sure brains are important when brawn is on the table. See Bush, George W.

  95. lance says:

    theres oil in virginia: but what is the evidence for such an elaborate idea? Particularly the parts about controlling people.

    No worries about the short stroke, hope you’re not taken aback by the crack on the prospective association to the environmental destruction of Virginia, or as you corrected, W. Virginia.

    The idea of controlling people is not so much about black ops, rather, it was about the brass dumping Souray or Smid because they had the audacity to speak out against trainers or whatever Smid may have said, or Brodziak, or whatever dissentive comments may have been said to spawn their respective banishment. Maybe it was more inert, but in reality I think most likely the Oilers are determined to control their employees with heavy handed protocol, and given the way media is granted access, I think they’re just pawns in that modicum as well. I remember I got banned from ON by Brownlee for suggesting that he didn’t have the balls to call out the empire because if he did he would be out on his ass. The way he freaked out on me told me that I was probably pretty close to the mark.

  96. lance says:

    theres oil in virginia: I don’t work for an oil company ( I think that was your insinuation?), but I wouldn’t be opposed to it. I work indirectly with a mining company, and generally they are pretty environmentally responsible, and good to the landowners affected by their activity. In the modern economy, it’s difficult to separate whose dollars are coming from where, due to the amount of interconnectivity of these corporations and banks, and therefore, it’s difficult to determine just who has the moral highground. (This is getting very close to a religious/philosophical worldview discussion.) The way I see it, I need dollars in order to support myself and my family, and I’m willing to engage in commerce with these companies in order to get these dollars. Hopefully, if it were determined that these companies were engaged in activities that were destroying lives, our society would deal with them appropriately…hopefully, although I sometimes have my doubts.

    Good to hear. It so freaking hard to do things that I feel are honourable while not going hungry. Nearly impossible to be both honest and wealthy. Something about camels and eyes of needles.

    Sorry too if my comments were a bit aggressive. Maybe LT’s rule about attacking posters was something I should reserve only for the lawyers in the group.

  97. lance says:

    bookje:
    lance,

    The problem with conspiracy theories is that they usually involve tremendous planning, execution and secrecy from groups of individuals who have demonstrated that they are capable of such things.Furthermore,for them to last so long with so many defectors who could benefit from whistleblowing is impossible.Added this is The amount of attention the press gives to these orgAnizations, never mind antitrust officials another seeking evidence of such collusion.

    It’s not the least bit viable.

    I’m not sure a conspiracy is really what I’m suggesting, rather, I think there is very likely a direct financial incentive to owners who agree to play nice. And the vetting in advance determines which old boys are allowed in, skull and bones style.

    And, in the whole slamming the fellow posters with immunity thing, what do you make of the whole oath to the bar thing combined with the knowledge that people are clearly not names? I’m no more an account number than I am a photograph on a driver’s licence, but yet, when I go to court and suggest that I’m a man and not a number I get escorted out and charged with failure to appear? That has been going on for a while, no?

  98. lance says:

    So to wrap this all up, I was merely suggesting the possibility that the Oilers are not trying to win, that growing the brand in California is easier when a Pacific division sees their teams standing 1 2 3, and asked if anyone had any evidence to the contrary?

    I don’t really buy into conspiracy theories, to explain my perspective on any institution, like the Law Society, I ask, who has the power to change what none of us were responsible to start? We cannot stop the Federal Reserve, no congress member can change it, and when someone like Ron Paul chimes in about ending the Fed, his supporters at the Republican National Convention are driven around in a bus for hours and hours instead of being able to vote their mind. Not a conspiracy per sae, but if anyone were responsible for the wheels falling off the bus, then probably they’d be kicked out of the club, unable to pay their mortgage, divorced, disgraced, and while feeling wholly unresponsible for any garbage directly, all indirectly responsible for not stopping the madness. Like the German people who didn’t necessarily execute anyone, but also didn’t do anything to stop the crimes either.

    I just wonder if Kevin Lowe and Daryl Katz are all just well paid cogs in a planned system to grow a brand in the southern US at the expense of the supporters in the homeland. They assume that we will be there tomorrow, regardless of the team record, and so far its true. Granted, comments per thread drop seemingly daily, but the waiting list for seasons tickets still goes on. The lady (a recovered Ducks fan) got tickets to a SCF game at the window on the day of the game. Last I was in Edmonton, I couldn’t get tickets on game day to a regular season game on a Tuesday when the Pens were in town. And the Oil were in last place.

    If the brothers of the NHL (owners) are getting rewarded to play along, would any of us have any idea? And who really knows for sure that it is happening? The whistleblowers would need to come from inside the board of governors. Ed Snider isn’t going to say a thing.

    /rant

  99. bookje says:

    Man, I should start selling tin foil hats.

  100. НИНТЕНДО⁶⁴ says:

    lance,

    Time to take a team into the lab and see if it’s even possible for it collapse at free fall speeds without a controlled detonation sequence.

    #tinfoilhatpoisoning

    Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity (Hanlon’s razor).

  101. НИНТЕНДО⁶⁴ says:

    bookje:
    Man, I should start selling tin foil hats.

    I have the home and away. Any idea where I can get the team’s 3rd tinfoil hat?

  102. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bretton Woods. Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Bohemian Grove.

    If you folks don’t listen to George Noory you are missing out on the most entertaining man alive:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/01/the-listener/307840/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3mAR6cwUGQ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVlgct0k0FQ

  103. TheOtherJohn says:

    Woodguy: The holes on the Oilers are as follows:

    1 D
    2D
    2C
    3D
    1G (Bryz looking good so far)
    3LW
    5D
    4C

    ….and down the line.

    There are many problems on the OIlers.

    Top 4 wingers are not among the worst of it and its not close.

    Do not disagree with your list. Worse part of looking at the list with a critical eye. Is we are less than 1/2 of the way through the rebuild. 2 more seasons if everything breaks our way (exceedingly unlikely) and more likely 3-4 years away from have a real first pairing. a 2c and top 15 goaltending and being able to play the good teams in games that matter

  104. TheOtherJohn says:

    bookje:
    Man, I should start selling tin foil hats.

    Could not agree with you more Bookje ……… Conspiracies sheesh

  105. theres oil in virginia says:

    lance: Sorry too if my comments were a bit aggressive. Maybe LT’s rule about attacking posters was something I should reserve only for the lawyers in the group.

    I wasn’t offended or upset at anything you wrote. Also, at no point either while reading or writing was I frowning or grimacing. I just figured that since I started it off with the drive-by, that I owed you a little effort into being civil.

    :)

  106. theres oil in virginia says:

    lance: I can’t possibly address all this without actually going nuts, but I will say that “Operation Twist” was the expansion of QE to the world, and seemingly since then, the US has had to keep the USD outside of the US else inflation is going to go rampant. While they may be printing funds ad nauseum, if they all ended up in our local hands the prices would go Zimbabwe. That is what I mean by keeping dollars off the streets. They’ve effectively exported the inflation to the world.

    There’s probably something to this idea of exporting inflation, but the fact is that we are experiencing inflation domestically. We are experiencing what has been referred to as “asset inflation”. This was evident during the “dot com bubble” and the “housing bubble”, etc. Take a look at the stock price of Apple (AAPL). I know they’ve been successful selling I-everythings, but the market cap for that stock price puts them at almost $500 billion! The housing markets are stabilized and are now creeping back up in most places. Nearly 90% of that is fueled by FFA/FHA loans. Simply because bread and milk prices aren’t rising dramatically doesn’t mean inflation isn’t present. It’s just not present in the CPI.

  107. DeadmanWaking says:

    theres oil in virginia: They might draw the wrong (right) conclusions!

    In practice, there’s dreadfully little difference between the two. When the (right) conclusions are drawn, the ring-leaders of mass indignation immediately displace–as fast as their fat txtng thumbs can manage–the incumbent scourge abated.

    Mass indignation is flash-point limited, so there’s great narrative competition by the ring-leaders-in-waiting to get their particular insurrection featured on the evening news–if only the guy who recaps the trending items on Twitter because the network’s foreign correspondents got the axe long ago.

    The true antonym of “conspiracy” is “boredom”.

    To the extent western liberal democracies have less of it than any other form of social order–they might not, but bear in mind here that the bar is dismally low–it’s because of dry tomes of jurisprudence, rules of order, and carefully crafted clauses buried on the sixth page of small print in the election rules of various public bodies–guilds, tribunals, service organizations, etc.–whether small or mighty.

    If you oppose conspiracy because of the excitement involved, my perception is that you’re doing it wrong. This is the fatal flaw of most conspiracy theories: too salivary. Making progress at the real thing is dull chewing.

  108. oliveoilers says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Lol, I was trying like a madman to put 2+2 is less than 4 and throw some whore buzz words like ‘synergy’ and ‘entropy’ in there, but every time I put the function in, it deleted half of my post! Yes, it sounds like lefty drivel, but a surprising amount of multi-nationals buy into it. Have a good xmas!

  109. lance says:

    bookje:
    Man, I should start selling tin foil hats.

    HAHAHAHA. Bookie you hooker. I point out directly where your little circle jerk is collectively guilty of felony conversion then give personal testimony of a misappropriation of justice, and your response is that the world is full of conspiratory theorists despite having taken an oath to protect me from exactly that which I describe. CCC 468.15. I think your name may be on the top of that page.

    We just watched a Netflix documentary called “American Addict” about the pharmaceutical dependancy and the corresponding abuse of Medicare Medicaid and the FDA by big pharma. While we all discuss a team owned by Rexall Inc, I wonder if you were busy supporting the corporate person’s right to veil the stockholders from any semblance of responsibility.

    The Coyotes are 18-10-6. I guess the bankers from my home state are better than the bankers from your home state despite not having a single player drafted in the top five. Its too bad they play such boring ass hockey.

  110. edoil1 says:

    Chris,

    I know you can’t live your life on could of’s,would of’s,but is it not conceivable that we could be having still a team right now with centers of Horcoff,Stoll,Gagne,Brodziak and who ever , wingers of Hemsky,Glencross,Lupul,Chimera,Smyth,Cogliano and who ever,defense,Matt Greene,Souray,Gilbert,Smid,Hejda and whoever,alot of bad decisions,still I did not add any new prospects,but why do most of these players do well when they leave,an underlying problem that must be fixed.

  111. oliveoilers says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Bretton Woods. Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Bohemian Grove.

    If you folks don’t listen to George Noory you are missing out on the most entertaining man alive:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/01/the-listener/307840/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3mAR6cwUGQ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVlgct0k0FQ

    No, that’s Rob Ford.

  112. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    oliveoilers: No, that’s Rob Ford.

    My mayor is indeed very entertaining… but he doesn’t have the ability to tap into the netherworlds of weirdos that Noory has. Every night, Noory finds a new nook of crazy and lays it bare for all to gawk. Fascinating.

    Happy Christmas to you too!

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