THE EDMONTON OILERS ARE A TEAM IN THE NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE

Reminds me of this game. What a terrible, frustrating season. Marc Savard scored and the Flames have been a better group pretty much since. I’m seriously thinking MacTavish will blow this thing up.

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  1. commonfan14 says:

    Hudler looks like a guy about to get his ass handed to him on Dragon’s Den.

  2. TheBusDriver86 says:

    Brutal loss. Glad Hall is coming on but god damn what a shit season. Im now open to trading any of the wonder kids to get some balance and success. This team as it is now and has been recently is a disgrace to the name Oilers.

  3. LostBoy says:

    You know, for gord’s sake, I disagree.

    The first quarter (21 games) was a season-killing 4-15-2.

    Tonight sucks, but I’ll take the point, and the second quarter is still 6-3-1.

    They still haven’t lost consecutive games, since all the verbal about that.

    They’ll beat Carolina, and they’ll be 7-3-1 since things turned north.

    I don’t think losses when there is maybe hope are worse than losses when they just lose lose lose.

    Things aren’t that bad right now. Tonight was a decent enough effort, and I’ll take the point.

  4. bookje says:

    The players who remain here this year look worse than they did last year. Some of that has to be on the coach, no? It could be that they are all self entitled brats who are unwilling to learn, but that’s a pretty extreme narrative for a broad group. I mean, the team has been gifted Perron (thanks analytics guys – I hope MacT kept your number) and is worse than ever. Most of us thought that the defence was improved from last year, but it’s playing worse.

    I mean, it may not be ‘on the coach’, but maybe its just an effect of the coaching carousel?

    If MacT ‘blows it up’, then what, more wandering in the desert?

    I like MacT and he made some good moves and some questionable ones over the summer. I fear it might be 3-5 years before he really finds his way as a GM. By that time all of the talent is gone and we have a bunch of hard working pluggers. It may be less maddening to watch, but it doesn’t get you any closer to the playoffs.

    Edit: With all of that said, Lostboy makes a good point. I wouldn’t blow it up, lets see if this thing might work. Maybe Eakins solves this puzzle and it gets better.

  5. Gret99zky says:

    ”I’ll just add a piece to that, John. You know, fair question. We have two types of fans. We have paying customers and we have people that watch the game that we still care about, but certainly the people who go to the games and support, we spend a lot of time talking to them, delivering our message. I would, uh, I think it’s safe to say that half the general manager’s in the National Hockey League would trade their roster for our roster right now. And in terms of the group that messed things up (voice rising) you’re talking about the group that had the team one period away from winning the Stanley Cup.”

    “And lastly (talking loudly now) I’ll say that there’s one other guy in hockey today that is still working in the game that has won more Stanley Cups than me. So I think I know a little bit about winning, if there’s ever a concern.”

    -Kevin Lowe

  6. Woodguy says:

    Its just fucking awful to watch.

    Cassie Campbell nailed it when she said the Oilers are full of players who think getting points equals success and that they don’t play hockey to win, they play hockey to score points.

    No top pairing Dmen on the team.

    Not 1C, RNH would be a passable 2C.

    1LW in Hall but his commitment to playing the whole game is suspect.
    2LW in Perron
    2 RW in Eberle
    3RW in Hemsky

    No 1G really.

    No 2LW

    Gordon is are reasonable 3C
    51 might be a reasonable 4C

    So on a good team, let’s see where they would line up:

    Hall – x -x
    Perron – RNH- Eberle
    x-Gordon-Hemsky
    x-Lander-x

    D pairs

    x – x
    x – Petry
    Ference – x

    x
    DD

    I think I’m done being as invested in this team as I have been.

    They’re missing 2 top line forwards, a top pairing D and 1G.

    Not that those positions are critical to success or anything.

    The players the Oilers have now might progress to higher levels, but it won’t be for years and this group won’t last that long together.

    Time to rebuild the rebuild.

  7. gr8one says:

    Didn’t deserve to be in OT anyways.

    Everybody was saying Dubnyk had a good game. No, Dubnyk had a game any NHL goalie should have, he stopped pucks, nothing sensational.

    The thing that bugs me the most about Dubnyk is his willingness to be on his knees ALL THE FUCKING TIME!!!!

    How does a 6’6 goalie CONSTANTLY get beat from up close ABOVE THE SHOULDERS!!!

    GAH!!

    That’s not to lay all of the blame on Dubnyk, I’m just targeting him because it’s easy, but the reality is, this teams talent SHOULD run over Calgary, but it seems they know it and thus think the effort isn’t needed.

    If this team goes on like this without significant changes/improvement, I would bet big money that Hall wills his way off this team by this time next year, and I wouldn’t blame him.

    On a positive note, I love David Perron.

  8. Hammers says:

    Start with Gags . Couldn’t keep count of his mistakes . All of them Outworked by a large margin . Problem is we all know we will loose on trades right now but a message has to be sent . They need 2 experienced “D” who play higher level than Ference & N.schultz and I only mention them due to there years of experience . Started with Gags but boy there are a few who I wouldn’t miss . I am now down to not trading our #1 pick as it maybe 1st overall . Glad its McT’s problem

  9. fuzzy muppet says:

    LostBoy,

    I wish I lived in your world.

    Things aren’t that bad??? They’ve missed the playoffs 7 straight seasons and are the joke of the league. They make the same stupid plays over and over. Management refuses to realize it’s not working. The coach talks shit about accountability and holds the wrong people accountable.

    The Oilers are an embarrassment. Pure and simple. There’s no advanced stat that can say otherwise

  10. Woodguy says:

    With Petry out with a concussion I don’t think that sitting J.Shultz is in the cards, but if there were an Oiler D who actually deserved to sit its him.

    I’m not sure he even has a give a fuck meter.

    Another thing is that Hall, Eberle and RNH have feed back from the organization that their play is good enough or even great.

    Big long term contracts tell you that you are doing well.

    We know they are really bets on what they will become and a bet that they become value contracts, but past Hall I don’t see it coming yet.

  11. bookje says:

    Woodguy,

    So, if a first overall isn’t good enough for first line center, something went wrong.

    I think Eberle is a first line player on a lot of teams.

    Smid would fill in one of the x’s

    Petry looked like he was progressing to be a top two defender last year.

    I don’t know if I have any point here.

    I don’t believe you are done investing in the Oilers.

  12. Woodguy says:

    “And lastly I’ll say that there’s one other guy in hockey today that is still working in the game that has won more Stanley Cups than me. So I think I know a little bit about winning, if there’s ever a concern.”

  13. Big Oil Truck says:

    Tonight showed how a shit effort to play without the puck on d is why the Oilers are terrible. If defensive effort was gasoline, the Oil would not have enough to drive an Ant’s motorcycle around the inside of a Cheerio. Color me pissed off at this team, blow er up MacT or bench the shit out of these guys.

  14. Woodguy says:

    bookje:
    Woodguy,

    So, if a first overall isn’t good enough for first line center, something went wrong.

    I think Eberle is a first line player on a lot of teams.

    Smid would fill in one of the x’s

    Petry looked like he was progressing to be a top two defender last year.

    I don’t know if I have any point here.

    I don’t believe you are done investing in the Oilers.

    Eberle needs other to get him the puck.

    1st ling players get the puck and create.

    He’s a world class finisher, but he’s complimentary.

    Might be a great complimentary player, but he doesn’t drive enough on his own.

    None of them do, really.

  15. gr8one says:

    Woodguy:
    Its just fucking awful to watch.

    Cassie Campbell nailed it when she said the Oilers are full of players who think getting points equals success and that they don’t play hockey to win, they play hockey to score points.

    No top pairing Dmen on the team.

    Not 1C, RNH would be a passable 2C.

    1LW in Hall but his commitment to playing the whole game is suspect.
    2LW in Perron
    2 RW in Eberle
    3RW in Hemsky

    No 1G really.

    No 2LW

    Gordon isare reasonable 3C
    51 might be a reasonable 4C

    So on a good team, let’s see where they would line up:

    Hall – x -x
    Perron – RNH- Eberle
    x-Gordon-Hemsky
    x-Lander-x

    D pairs

    x – x
    x – Petry
    Ference – x

    x
    DD

    I think I’m done being as invested in this team as I have been.

    They’re missing 2 top line forwards, a top pairing D and 1G.

    Not that those positions are critical to success or anything.

    The players the Oilers have now might progress to higher levels, but it won’t be for years and this group won’t last that long together.

    Time to rebuild the rebuild.

    This whole post pretty much sums it all up almost perfectly. Perfectly.

    The only imperfection in this assessment is I still have a bit of faith in the goaltending once Bryzgalov is back, I think if some of the other issues were resolved the goaltending wouldn’t be such a glaring issue and I’m one of the few that thinks Bryz can still be a quality NHL #1 goalie, quirks and all. But that just may be my copper coloured glasses skewing my vision.

  16. bookje says:

    Serious question. The Oilers looked tired, not just overworked. When they showed close ups, the team was winded.

    Eakins indicated that he was going to institute a strict workout regime when he was hired. He talked about everyone being on the bikes after games, etc.

    Maybe the problem is fitness, but maybe the problem is too much emphasis on fitness.

    I don’t really know, just posing the question.

  17. Lowetide says:

    I didn’t hear Campbell say that but she’s spot on. This team is not a team, not in the classic sense, and they are not devoted to doing the hard work of getting better.

    Sledgehammer. macTavish is going to start shooting people.

  18. Hammers says:

    Woodguy:
    Its just fucking awful to watch.

    Cassie Campbell nailed it when she said the Oilers are full of players who think getting points equals success and that they don’t play hockey to win, they play hockey to score points.

    No top pairing Dmen on the team.

    Not 1C, RNH would be a passable 2C.

    1LW in Hall but his commitment to playing the whole game is suspect.
    2LW in Perron
    2 RW in Eberle
    3RW in Hemsky

    No 1G really.

    No 2LW

    Gordon isare reasonable 3C
    51 might be a reasonable 4C

    So on a good team, let’s see where they would line up:

    Hall – x -x
    Perron – RNH- Eberle
    x-Gordon-Hemsky
    x-Lander-x

    D pairs

    x – x
    x – Petry
    Ference – x

    x
    DD

    I think I’m done being as invested in this team as I have been.

    They’re missing 2 top line forwards, a top pairing D and 1G.

    Not that those positions are critical to success or anything.

    The players the Oilers have now might progress to higher levels, but it won’t be for years and this group won’t last that long together.

    Time to rebuild the rebuild.

    The problem I see is your 2nd line is invested for $ 16 mill but I don’t disagree with your analysis . Add one thing coaching or lack there off .

  19. LostBoy says:

    fuzzy muppet,

    I don’t understand the suicide notes that have been posted on this site after every recent loss.

    If the OIlers had started the season playing like they are now, everyone would be ecstatic.

    This season turned around in Calgary with the 4-2 comeback.

    What the fuck do you want? A perfect record? This team has shown up way more often than not since then. There’s nothing wrong with 6-3-1, given where this season is at.

  20. Minister D- says:

    LostBoy,

    I’m baffled you can be so sanguine about the Carolina game. Next week begins a stroll through death valley: Boston, Vancouver, LA, Anaheim, St. Louis, Colorado looking for blood. Check please! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-sBROXalU4

  21. Gret99zky says:

    whatever it takes to erase this team from its current wretched existence.

    nuke it from orbit.

    it’s the only way to be sure.

  22. Big Oil Truck says:

    LostBoy:
    fuzzy muppet,

    I don’t understand the suicide notes that have been posted on this site after every recent loss.

    If the OIlers had started the season playing like they are now, everyone would be ecstatic.

    This season turned around in Calgary with the 4-2 comeback.

    What the fuck do you want?A perfect record?This team has shown up way more often than not since then.There’s nothing wrong with 6-3-1, given where this season is at.

    A 60 minute effort at both ends of the rink.
    Cassie Campbell analysis is exactly why Hall won’t be on Team Canada in Sochi.

  23. fuzzy muppet says:

    LostBoy,

    6-3-1 with wins against powerhouses Calgary, Florida and Columbus. outside the Colorado win I don’t see an improved team.

  24. David says:

    Not sure why people picked this game to freak out. The Oilers played decently well. I still love ‘em.

  25. JohnnyRocket says:

    What is the problem with getting the kids to buy into back-checking? Do they watch the video and then not comply? I’m not sure I understand.

  26. LostBoy says:

    fuzzy muppet,

    FFS. After 4-15-2, you want to be choosy? Yes, it’s a soft sequence in the schedule. And yes, Minister whatever, there is a much more brutal stretch coming up. But what would have been okay during the last 10 games? Would 10-0 have been okay? Everyone satisfied? After winning 4 of 21?

    When things were flying into the ocean I opined that not many rookie coaches got to preside over such nonsense and still be NHL coaches. I think I got poopooed. Now when we’re on a 6-3-1 run I apparently just can’t see that we’re dooooomed. Kay, folks, whatever.

  27. Lowetide says:

    David:
    Not sure why people picked this game to freak out. The Oilers played decently well. I still love ‘em.

    Calgary. The Calgary games count triple, actually more than triple.

  28. Professor Q says:

    Is it just me…or does Eakins calling Martin “Mr. Marincin” sound like when my step father would be about to bring a beat down on me? Even if he was saying that they had less D so they had to “thrust Mr. Marincin into an overwhelming role”…it still sounds as if he was patronising him…

  29. fuzzy muppet says:

    LostBoy,

    What I want if for them to play a complete hockey game and show that they care about doing the things it takes to be a winning team. They don’t show it enough. The youth excuse is getting old.

    They are still making AHL plays and a lot of them (though young) have played long enough to figure it out. But alas, they haven’t figured it out and, judging from everything I’ve seen, they don’t look like they will anytime soon.

  30. D says:

    LostBoy,

    David,

    I guess you can add me to the LostBoy and David camp. I lodge my fair share of complaints against Eakins, Dubnyk, and Hall (i.e. his giveaways), but I’ve been pretty happy with the team over the last ten games. I’m more on the side that they’re a few pieces away rather than needing a blowup.

  31. 8p0intgame says:

    *BOLD MOVES!*

    TO FLORIDA:
    • Ales Hemsky
    • Martin Marincin
    • Nail Yakupov
    • 2014 1st round pick
    • Conditional 2015 3rd round pick*

    TO EDMONTON:
    • Nick Bjugstad
    • Marcel Goc
    • Dmitry Kulikov
    • Shawn Matthias
    • 2014 2nd round pick

    *Conditional on Marcel Goc signing an extension in Edmonton.

    TO CALGARY
    • Oscar Klefbom
    • 2014 2nd round pick (from Florida)

    TO EDMONTON:
    • Mikael Backlund

    TO NEW JERSEY:
    • Darnel Nurse
    • 2014 5th round pick

    TO EDMONTON:
    • Adam Larsson

    Line up for the remainder of the 2013-14 season:

    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins/Taylor Hall/Jordan Eberle
    Mikael Backlund/David Perron/Sam Gagner
    Boyd Gordon/Shawn Matthias/Nick Bjugstad
    Marcel Goc/Ryan Smyth/Ryan Jones
    Luke Gazdic

    Dmitry Kulikov/Adam Larsson
    Anton Belov/Jeff Petry
    Andrew Ference/Justin Schultz
    Nick Schultz/Philip Larsen

    Devan Dubynk
    Ilya Bryzgalov

    • 7 of the 13 forwards can play center (Backlund, Bjugstad, Gagner, Goc, Gordon, Matthias, and Nugent-Hopkins).
    • Bjugstad (6’6”) and Matthias (6’4”) add size up front.
    • All acquired players have blue bubbles (positive Corsi) on the Vollman Sledgehammers.
    • Backlund, Bjugstad, Kulikov, and Larsson will be Oilers’ properties for quite some time.
    • The defense is still a huge question mark, but at least we acquired a couple D-men “in the range”.

    Thoughts?

  32. bookje says:

    Hammers: The problem I see is your 2nd line is invested for $ 16 millbut I don’t disagree with your analysis . Add one thing coaching or lack there off .

    Last year I remember a lot of talk by LT and others that the 4-93-14 line was the dominant line most nights against the other team’s top line. I think we may be engaging in a little bit of moping here. Have they played like first line players this year – nope. Can they – yep.

  33. fuzzy muppet says:

    Yak had a100% Corsi rating this game and got benched. Eakins ain’t working out

  34. BG14 says:

    Dominate the possession game, bad break in OT (yes, the whole team was flying the zone leaving Hudler open and Dubnyk somehow gets beat high from 3 feet out, but it was still a pretty flukey play) and a 6-3-1 record since the 20 game mark. Yet the sky is falling again. Just as it was after the last loss. Everyone needs to relax a bit. The time for panic was the first 20 games, and yet the consensus seemed to be give it some time. Now the team is picking up and yet people are inexplicably losing their minds.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m as pissed as anyone about how this season has unfolded, but this game is not the time to jump off the cliff. 4th line was the only 3 players on the team to have less than 50% CF tonight, which seems pretty impressive to me. The only real concern from this game is the atrocious PP. They seriously look better 4 on 4. Substantially better. Let’s take this in 3, 5 or 10 game segments and evaluate like that, rather than celebrate after every win and mourn after every loss.

    Taylor Hall is getting closer to looking like Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle is quietly having himself a very nice season and David Perron is a killer. Changes are needed (and substantial ones), but things are looking up lately, let’s not lose sight of that just because we lost to the Flames *spits*.

  35. Woodguy says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    Yak had a100% Corsi rating this game and got benched.Eakins ain’t working out

    Yah, don’t know what the fuck that was all about.

    Not one shot attempt against with him on the ice and he rides the pine.

    Sideburns are growing.

  36. Woodguy says:

    bookje: Last year I remember a lot of talk by LT and others that the 4-93-14 line was the dominant line most nights against the other team’s top line.I think we may be engaging in a little bit of moping here.Have they played like first line players this year – nope.Can they – yep.

    Well they did.

    They are miles from that level now though.

    Mind you, Eakins doesn’t play them much together anymore.

  37. Andy P says:

    If we look at the pattern, when someone last put stupid juice in DD’s water, and 6 of our best players all got injured, and nobody knew each other or the coach’s system, we put together 3 sets of 5 game losing streaks broken up by the occasional win or 2.

    Then, on November 16th, they handed out brains and vials of testosterone, and we got a 3 game win streak iirc and then alternate wins and losses. So how could we expect to win tonight after we beat up on the Avs last game?

    So now, if we win the next game, it’s a continuation of the cycle. If we lose, then we are in jeopardy of repeating one of the 3 x 5 game losing cycles at which time all of our heads explode simultaneously and it wont matter what Katz, 6 Rings, MacT, Chickenhawk, the incompetent assistants or the unmotivated players do anymore.

    And, within hours, most of us will go back to watching this nonsense. Because Oilers.

  38. Woodguy says:

    bookje:
    Woodguy,

    So, if a first overall isn’t good enough for first line center, something went wrong.

    I think Eberle is a first line player on a lot of teams.

    Smid would fill in one of the x’s

    Petry looked like he was progressing to be a top two defender last year.

    I don’t know if I have any point here.

    I don’t believe you are done investing in the Oilers.

    I think RNH will be a 1C.

    Its years from today though.

    I might re-investment myself then.

  39. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    I didn’t hear Campbell say that but she’s spot on.This team is not a team, not in the classic sense, and they are not devoted to doing the hard work of getting better.

    Sledgehammer. macTavish is going to start shooting people.

    Problem with that is that MacT’s favorite players is one of the biggest liabilities.

    I don’t think he’ll do shit really.

    Re-arrange the deck chairs and sell off the 1st rounder for what will be roundly considered a suspect return.

    Watch him trade the 1st for Gleason or something like that.

  40. LMHF#1 says:

    Seguin had a natural hat trick in the second for Dallas tonight.

    Anyone think he’s not an Oiler if they hire Jim Nill this summer like every other team would have in that position?

    If they don’t get to winning sometime soon (and without drastic change, they will not), that is the decision that will ultimately be the biggest mistake in my mind. Jim Nill should be the GM right now.

  41. nez29 says:

    Brutal fuckin; game. I;m paying to watch uninspired hockey, Tell ya what–iime to vote with our dollars….but that won’t happen .we just love this mal-rum, malformed bunch of lugs and the damn sport too much. Plus some skunkweed-smellin’ steakhead spilled his friggin beer dregs on me. Other than that, it was a fun night out….aaaaarrrrgggghhhhh
    Ok. shelving bitterness, they trade Eberle for some immediate help, maybe?? never been a Gagner believer, but NMC there. Justin Schultz? What’s softer than tissue paper/ Asswipe? Whoops–kinda let emotion slip back in there. Brzygalov? Why, Lord, why? Plus the fan base actually chose Bon Jovi over the Beatles when given a choice. Says it all. Poodle rock–worse than the doucherock of Nickelback?
    out.

  42. SpotTheLoon says:

    I agree that Cassie Campbell nailed it. In the course of about 60 seconds, she clearly illustrated what the issues are.

    I’ve been an Oilers fan since the late WHA days. But in the last few years, I have had to distance myself from the ongoing shit show. I want them to do well but I simply can’t stomach watching game in and game out anymore. I sometimes turn the game on and have it in the background. But I can no longer watch it with the intensity and devotion that I used to. Now, I read about it online or in the fish wrapper once the game is done. The heart ache isn’t as intense this way and it only takes me five minutes to get up to speed.

    Do I want the team to improve? Certainly. Do I want to watch again and fall in love with the Oilers again? Undoubtedly. But I can no longer follow with the intense devotion that I once had for the team and follow them while they blindly wander through the forest. It’s sad to say. But it is more a matter of self preservation than anything else.

    What I continue to be completely perplexed by is how anyone would be willing to part with their hard earned dollars to watch the ongoing spectacle. I’m not criticizing anyone who economically supports the team but wow! I can’t fathom that and it must be horribly frustrating. Accountability will only occur when the team feels pressure in terms of their bottom line, I think.

    Now, even if the team addressed the items that Cassie Campbell mentioned in her piece (she should be a permanent replacement for Healy or Stock), there are still the glaring holes in the roster that everyone has mentioned above. I don’t know how they will manage to address some of those needs without parting with some very dear pieces of the puzzle. But the time to preach patience has run awfully thin. Sigh.

  43. stevezie says:

    Just got home from Rexall, my computer is being tricky so no view of a replay, but “lackadaisical” does not begin to describe Schultz on that final play. I am convinced he thought he heard a whistle.

    My brother, who does not watch a lot of hockey, turned to me with honest confusion and asked, “Why did they stop playing?”

  44. LMHF#1 says:

    I’m just about ready to give up on the quest for several cups. If your strategy was to at least win one and we take 2006 as an example of what is needed for the opportunity, it would make sense to move out most of the #1s and have a complete team next year instead. I don’t know. I’ve never liked this tanking approach and just don’t see it working. If it doesn’t work, we’re a much sadder group of Senators fans from their “window” years.

  45. stevezie says:

    LostBoy: Tonight was a decent enough effort

    I watched the game in the stands with some non-fan friends, so coming home and reading here is the first commentary I’ve read.

    My ignorant, unaffected opinion was that we were clearly the better team for the first 40 minutes. The wheels came off the offence in the third, which can be partially explained by Calgary’s attempt to shut it all down, though not completely. Dubnyk had a great game.

    We were the better team in OT, until JSchultz (I think) gave the game away.

    The powerplay was a problem. The defence had serious problems breaking out and giving the puck away.

    In conclusion, there was a lot to like about this game but against a flu-ridden lottery team on the second half of a back to back this should have been a trip to the woodshed.

    So… I see where you are coming from. If we won, we would just be talking about how great Perron is. We didn’t, here we are.

  46. the_Fab_5 says:

    MacT it ain’t gonna do squat to improve this team…if he hasn’t done squat yet, why would he start now?

    let this team die a slow death death and throw them on the scrapheap and let’s start pretending this team is gonna make it in 2014-2015

    its cute how angry you are but embrace the suck…embrace the soft plays, the clueless defensive lapses and watch in awe how only the Oilers can continue to not figure out how to win

  47. stevezie says:

    Oh, and I think the focus on the final goal has taken criticism off of Gagner for the play he made on the game-tying goal. That chaotic, hopeless backhand from the point should not be excused just because fortune smiled and we got a goal anyway. The breakaway he set up in the first was also something that would have got Yak strangled with piano wire on the bench,

    I think Phillip Larsen is one of the best skaters in the entire league, but Eakins is a lot more enamoured with him in the powerplay than I am (still had a good game). Not to sound obvious, but that’s Yak’s spot.

    LostBoy,

    I should have just quoted Willis, who nailed this one: “For the most part, the Oilers played pretty well against a tired Flames team… but on the whole this was a missed opportunity.”

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/12/07/edmonton-oilers-player-grades-devan-dubnyk-shines-in-otherwise-regrettable-game/

    You all saw the game, I’m mostly bragging on how close my own assessment was to that of a respected professional.

  48. LMHF#1 says:

    stevezie:

    I should have just quoted Willis, who nailed this one: “For the most part, the Oilers played pretty well against a tired Flames team… but on the whole this was a missed opportunity.”

    This is true only if you weren’t looking at their play entering and including the offensive zone. They were putrid there.

  49. stevezie says:

    LMHF#1,

    Oh yeah, lots to hate too. I think they looked good against a Flames team primed to lose. Definition of damning by faint praise.

    I assume we’ve all seen the rest of tonight’s highlights?

    I thought what James Neal did was WAY more dangerous than what Thornton did, but sometimes life goes this way and Thornton is the one who really hurt a guy.

    If you could give me the choice of which of those two attacks I’d have to endure I’d take Thornton’s any day.

  50. Fixall with Rexall says:

    Drop passes and those god damn blue line passes that go the entire width of the ice. The heart of this order refuses to score an ugly goal and they are laughably predictable. Giordano routinely cheated expecting some thing cute and he was right every time. Dubnyks shitty start was a red herring.

    Let’s bring in the trap. Or the 1-1-3. That’s just as boring for the players as it is the fans.Lets beat a defense conscience in them. Let’s pull a Sutter and put 5 D on a power play because if I see one more god damn 2 on 1 against us when we’re a man up I’m going to lose it.

    DSF was wrong about Shultz. He’s not Jack Johnson. He’s a nightmare much much worse.

    Gagner and JShultz have to go. The return MacT gets for either of them is secondary to simply getting them off our roster.

  51. Woodguy says:

    Fixall with Rexall,

    DSF was wrong about Shultz. He’s not Jack Johnson. He’s a nightmare much much worse.

    No, he’s not Jack Johnson.

    His possession are pretty damn good for a rookie playing 2nd/3rd pairing.

    He’s going to be a good Dman, but it will take years.

    Oilers have good players, but it will take years for them to become complete NHL hockey players.

    Here’s the problem in a nutshell:

    Patrick Kane is the worst cheater for offence I’ve watched.

    Make the Oilers all look like Paajarvi in comparison (who cheated towards the defensive side)

    He gets away with it because:

    1) He’s the only one doing it on the team, whereas the Oilers have 1-3 players per line who do it. One super talented player on a team of 200ft players can get away with it

    2) He’s sublimely skilled (moreso than any Oiler) and he drives the puck forward when he has it

    Everyone on the Oilers wants to be Pat Kane.

    No one wants to be Hossa, Toews, Sharp etc.

    Also, on the Oilers Keith and Seabrook may be on the roster or in the system, but they are years (and years) away from becoming Keith and Seakbrook.

  52. bookje says:

    Woodguy,

    That your hiatus from investing time commenting on the Oilers lasted until 5:28am is impressive.

  53. bookje says:

    For the record, I have quit this team many times.

  54. Ryan says:

    Woodguy,

    Great insights here WG (your comments in this thread).

    If Eakins actually played them together, RNH-Hall-Eberle would have to play like a 2009 Thornton-Heatley-Marleau for this team to have any success.

    The tanking rebuild strategy could have worked much better, but the Oilers were unlucky in picking the wrong years to tank.

    The other problem is that the Oilers did the rebuild incorrectly. Everyone and their dog knows that you have to rebuild from back end (because dmen take forever to develop) then down the middle.

    That loading a team on the wings with small skilled players doesn’t work is a surprise to no one.

  55. Lowetide says:

    Ryan:
    Woodguy,

    Great insights here WG (your comments in this thread).

    If Eakins actually played them together, RNH-Hall-Eberle would have to play like a 2009 Thornton-Heatley-Marleau for this team to have any success.

    The tanking rebuild strategy could have worked much better, but the Oilers were unlucky in picking the wrong years to tank.

    The other problem is that the Oilers did the rebuild incorrectly.Everyone and their dog knows that you have to rebuild from back end (because dmen take forever to develop) then down the middle.

    That loading a team on the wings with small skilled players doesn’t work is a surprise to no one.

    Disagree. You can’t draft for need with the number one overall pick and the Oilers did select defensemen early on (Klefbom, Musil, Marincin, etc). The problem, and I’ve been saying this for so long I don’t think anyone hears me (And that’s likely my fault for being a broken record) is that this is the era where Alex Plante, Taylor Chorney and Danny Syvret are supposed to be on the team and taking the hard minutes.

    ALL of the Stu MacGregor-drafted defensemen are developing. That’s not their fault, or a surprise. The 2007 draft, the one where they club took Alex Plante and missed, is your culprit here.

  56. steveb12344 says:

    If any of you are looking for a more positive note on this fine winter morning…

    If you look at all 30 teams records for the last 10 games. The Oil are better than all but 3 Eastern teams, and 4 West teams.

    That’s right, the 8th best record in the entire league. The truth is that if they had gone on and won in the shootout last night we would all be revelling in it, and singing Coom-By-Fucking-Ya together.

    While I agree that this team is certainly not there yet, and a few changes are definitely necessary. I don’t think it’s quite as bad as most of you are making out.

  57. Bad Seed says:

    I think Sam Gagner is the poster boy for this team. Weren’t some pushing for him to be captain in the pre-season?

  58. RT26 says:

    I think what this team needs right now is what the NBA refers to as an alpha dog leader. I may not like Kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan as individuals away from the court, they would never accept this time of abdication of responsibility and fundamentals from their teammates. They would have shaken someone by their lapels behind closed doors and changed the atmosphere to get results.

    The problem we have on the Oilers is that our best player are our most immature. We have no older players with the credibility and attitude to challenge the new guard to be better on the ice. Hemsky has the skill, but I think he lacks the F*ck you attitude to confront people (just my guess, having never met the man).

    I know Shea Weber is this fan base’s great white whale, but we need someone with his stature and maturity to come in here and demand accountability, and also to mentor the younger players on sacrificing personally to win more as a team.

    This latest period makes me wonder how the world would have been different if Marian Hossa had taken Katz’s offer of 9 years and $80+ million a couple of years back. We’d never have drafted #1 overall as often, but it makes me wonder what the Oil would look like today….

  59. cabbiesmacker says:

    Lowetide: The 2007 draft, the one where they club took Alex Plante and missed, is your culprit here.

    Bingo. and it all started with the Gagner pick.

    Riley Nash is actually starting to look like a player. Not a first rounder but hey.

    Oilers have three marketable pieces to try and make this a real hockey team with and none of them would hurt much to lose. Gagner (useless)- Yakupov (position of depth and upcoming contract)- 2014 first (excellent ammo at the draft). If those assets can’t return results immediately then the GM shouldn’t be a GM.

    There were a few of us that knew prior to this season beginning that the Oilers didn’t have what it took, especially with realignment. Not looking for backpats here but I said they were two D minimum away and still relying on the kids maturing quickly far too much. Theres next to no supporting cast on this team and there hasn’t been for years.

    But…..it”s the Oilers. The solution will be to bring in another alumni to set things right. No other team in the NHL relies on their past in efforts to move forward like Edmonton does.

    Smarter than all the rest.

    I wonder what J Schultz’s next contract is going to look like?

  60. Old School G says:

    Until some actual hockey moves happen to turn this team in to a competitor we’re all watching Seinfeld reruns waiting for Band of Brothers to magically take over out televisions.

  61. Lowetide says:

    Bad Seed:
    I think Sam Gagner is the poster boy for this team.Weren’t some pushing for him to be captain in the pre-season?

    There was a rumor, don’t believe there were a lot of people pushing him as an option.

  62. sliderule says:

    The errors in coverage and cheating for offence can be corrected.

    It’s called the bench or press box.

    Unfortunately this team of coaches will single out a player like Yakupov and nail him to bench and ignore the numerous errors of Schultz Gagner Eberle and Hall.

    All these players are smart and skilled enough to figure it out they just need motivation which for some reason they don’t get from coaches.

    Having coverage and then leaving him open for Flames winning goal should earn Schultz a seat in press box after you explain to him and team why he is sitting.

  63. Spydyr says:

    bookje:
    For the record, I have quit this team many times.

    For the record,I have never quit this team from the WHA days to today.Swear at them lots but never, ever quit on MY team.To bad the current edition of the OIlers didn’t have as much loyalty to each other as most of us do to them.

  64. JohnnyRocket says:

    Did anyone else notice the difference in the verbal in the post game between Eakins and Gagner? It was striking. (I’m paraphrasing here)

    Eakins- Sloppy play, defensive lapses.

    Gagner (when asked about defensive lapses) I dunno, I thought we played a pretty good game and created chances.

    How can the message be getting so lost. Has the coach lost the room? Has he had it?

  65. Professor Q says:

    JohnnyRocket:
    Did anyone else notice the difference in the verbal in the post game between Eakins and Gagner? It was striking. (I’m paraphrasing here)

    Eakins- Sloppy play, defensive lapses.

    Gagner (when asked about defensive lapses) I dunno, I thought we played a pretty good game and created chances.

    How can the message be getting so lost. Has the coach lost the room? Has he had it?

    To be fair, Eakins did acknowledge that he has been forced to thrust people (AHL defensemen) into positions they shouldn’t be in nor have a chance of performing well at. Maybe they’ve all given up, then…

  66. FastOil says:

    The underlying smell of all this is whatever perverted thing 6 Rings and Bold Moves think “Oiler Hockey” is.

    Look at Giordano. He is a first pairing, and a safe boring invisible player, until he breaks up the play. Not a ‘stud’ to me.

    It seems the powers that be fall in and out of love with unsuitable partners, rinse and repeat. Frenetic chaos players and then when that doesn’t work they go for football players on skates that can’t play and that doesn’t work. They need to find the BPA’s and if they are all small adjust the coaching to suit. Or conversely.

    Back to Giordano, it is the simple plays that win games really. There are only ever a few Kane’s at at time, everyone else needs to have a more rounded game. Clearing the zone with a pass, chipping a puck and actually getting it out etc.

    BTW, as everyone laments Smid, he made several weak plays and looked like an Oiler D still in play. He wasn’t good to my eye. Love the guy, better than a third, not quite a second IMO. The real problem is o return.

    There will always be chaos in the Oilers as long as the patronage continues. I believe they will improve quickly because they have the desire and the smell of blood now. Playoffs for sure, maybe next year, but unless they want to play with discipline they won’t win it all.

    As their coach I’d ask them if they want to be the Hawks / Bruins or Canucks / Tampa.

    You’ve gotta dance to the tune that’s playing.

  67. theres oil in virginia says:

    sliderule: Having coverage and then leaving him open for Flames winning goal should earn Schultz a seat in press box after you explain to him and team why he is sitting.

    Schultz was prepared to make the play, but RNH tipped the puck causing Schultz to miss it and it went right to the opposition. That’s undoubtedly why RNH smashed his stick on the goalpost. Shit happens.

  68. Andy P says:

    Lowetide: Disagree. You can’t draft for need with the number one overall pick and the Oilers did select defensemen early on (Klefbom, Musil, Marincin, etc). The problem, and I’ve been saying this for so long I don’t think anyone hears me (And that’s likely my fault for being a broken record) is that this is the era where Alex Plante, Taylor Chorney and Danny Syvret are supposed to be on the team and taking the hard minutes. ALL of the Stu MacGregor-drafted defensemen are developing. That’s not their fault, or a surprise. The 2007 draft, the one where they club took Alex Plante and missed, is your culprit here.

    Which is to say, 6 Rings and Dithers were both appalling GM’s.

  69. Woodguy says:

    bookje:
    Woodguy,

    That your hiatus from investing time commenting on the Oilers lasted until 5:28am is impressive.

    You adding the “commenting” part.

    I said I won’t invest as much in them. It covers a variety of things.

    My posts may drop, but today is probably not that day.

    :)

  70. Lois Lowe says:

    I also thought Cassie Campbell nailed it on the head. Hall really hasn’t shown his explosiveness towards his own end at times, and I was amazed to see how far back Gagner was on that brutal giveaway. It’s like he didn’t even bother trying to get back.

  71. Bushed says:

    Can we get Cassie Campbell as our new coach? GM?

    Now that would be BOLD. . . and likely a huge improvement on either front…

  72. Chris says:

    I think people may be over reacting here to this game particularly. Yes, there are years of dissapointment, frustration and rage welled up regarding the under achieving Oilers. But really this game looked pretty much like you could file it under “Other teams goalie had a good game”. The Oilers were pressing for large periods of time but had all kinds of difficulty buying a goal. Dubynk let in kind of a weak one in overtime after Shultz was there standing still after the Oilers controlled most of the overtime period. The Oilers probably deserved a better result than they got last night. But hey that happens to every team sometimes.

    Can we go back to collectively being enraged by the Phoenix game? That at least made sense.

  73. vesci says:

    theres oil in virginia: Schultz was prepared to make the play, but RNH tipped the puck causing Schultz to miss it and it went right to the opposition.That’s undoubtedly why RNH smashed his stick on the goalpost.Shit happens.

    That is exactly what happened and before that I thought Eberle didn’t make a very strong play in attempting to stop the initial penetration by the defenseman either. To blame that on Schultz is unfair. It was overall a little unfortunate but there also wasn’t a lot of intensity by Eberle, Nuge or Schultz.

  74. Woodguy says:

    The funny thing is that the corgi’s ran wild last night.

    If you didn’t watch the game you’d figure that the Oilers had some tough shooting luck but carried the play.

    From watching it, I’d say the Oilers certainly carried the play, but it was Fancy Play Syndrome (FPS) and not bad luck that bit them in the ass.

    They just looooove the cross ice pass and hate just getting the puck to the net when the other options are low percentage.

    These boys love their low percentage plays and are the kings of garbage time where those plays work because the other team stopped giving a shit.

    They need to grow up.

    The need a grown up NHLer to smack them upside the head and say “cut that shit out”

  75. Woodguy says:

    Lois Lowe:
    I also thought Cassie Campbell nailed it on the head. Hall really hasn’t shown his explosiveness towards his own end at times, and I was amazed to see how far back Gagner was on that brutal giveaway. It’s like he didn’t even bother trying to get back.

    He was the one who gave up the puck, was closest to it, and ended up being the 3rd man back.

    I’d bench his lollygaggying ass so fast.

  76. Minister D- says:

    Bushed,

    Manon Rheaume as goaltending coach!

  77. bookje says:

    Lowetide: There was a rumor, don’t believe there were a lot of people pushing him as an option.

    Mac T went on about his character a lot.

  78. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: Disagree. You can’t draft for need with the number one overall pick and the Oilers did select defensemen early on (Klefbom, Musil, Marincin, etc). The problem, and I’ve been saying this for so long I don’t think anyone hears me (And that’s likely my fault for being a broken record) is that this is the era where Alex Plante, Taylor Chorney and Danny Syvret are supposed to be on the team and taking the hard minutes.

    ALL of the Stu MacGregor-drafted defensemen are developing. That’s not their fault, or a surprise. The 2007 draft, the one where they club took Alex Plante and missed, is your culprit here.

    Montreal destroyed that draft.

    Oilers
    6th – Gagner
    15th – Plante
    21st – Nash

    Montreal
    12th – McDonaugh
    22nd – Pacioretty
    43rd – Subban

    Imagine if Gainey didn’t give away McDonaugh for nothing.

  79. Woodguy says:

    bookje: Mac T went on about his character a lot.

    1st rule of being a GM is don’t fall in love with your players

    The least effective high priced forward on the Oilers is the one the GM loves the most.

    I can’t wait to bitch about Gagner not back checking in 2016.

  80. jake70 says:

    Woodguy:
    The funny thing is that the corgi’s ran wild last night.

    If you didn’t watch the game you’d figure that the Oilers had some tough shooting luck but carried the play.

    From watching it, I’d say the Oilers certainly carried the play, but it was Fancy Play Syndrome (FPS) and not bad luck that bit them in the ass.

    They just looooove the cross ice pass and hate just getting the puck to the net when the other options are low percentage.

    These boys love their low percentage plays and are the kings of garbage time where those plays work because the other team stopped giving a shit.

    They need to grow up.

    The need a grown up NHLer to smack them upside the head and say “cut that shit out”

    I fell asleep for most of the game, remember posting a comment on Reimer’ s save percentage during the early game, then waking with about 7min left in 3rd. Was lucky, got to see the Hall goal and missed all the fanchy schmancy PP passing that I have grown so tired of……one less TV that has a cinder block thrown through it….lol.

  81. hags9k says:

    I wish we could get a billboard for a month or two on Katz’s daily drive from the batcave that showed the daily NHL standings and beside it, Lowe’s quote about his winning prowess in giant font. I’m thinking blue with orange trim.

    If there was ever any concern…what an ass. How can this be expected to change with him still here? Kevin save what’s left of your good name and step down.

    I have been tuned out, literally for about a month. It doesn’t help, I miss the Oilers like crazy, but being a third tier fan does feel like a small victory against the OBC.

  82. russ99 says:

    I hope Petry isn’t out long. Our D is awful with him in.

    Kind of odd the Oilers don’t really plan for injuries like other teams do.

    Sure, the players aren’t performing, but coaching isn’t that great either. We played to keep the puck away from them yesterday, not to win.

    There has to be a balance between defense/possession and actually playing on offense and the power play to score goals. I’m seeing all one way.

  83. Caramel Obvious says:

    You people lose your minds on game day. The Oilers were clearly the better team and then tied the game with ten seconds left. That’s what I call a good game because that is a good game.

    As for the direction the team is headed I point you to this.

    http://www.extraskater.com/team/edmonton-oilers/2013#performance-graphs

    The team has one the possession battle six of the last eight games. Has that ever happened in the past five years? Moreover, one of the games they lost the possession battle they won 8-2.

    Give your heads a shake and stop complaining. These are good things. Would you rather be the Leafs?

    http://www.extraskater.com/team/toronto-maple-leafs/2013#performance-graphs

    That’s what a bad team looks like.

  84. russ99 says:

    Woodguy,
    Listen to Eakins press conferences. They’re playing the way he wants them to play.

    The boys don’t love safe possession play, they’re being coached to do so.

  85. Lowetide says:

    Caramel Obvious:
    You people lose your minds on game day.The Oilers were clearly the better team and then tied the game with ten seconds left.That’s what I call a good game because that is a good game.

    As for the direction the team is headed I point you to this.

    http://www.extraskater.com/team/edmonton-oilers/2013#performance-graphs

    The team has one the possession battle six of the last eight games.Has that ever happened in the past five years?Moreover, one of the games they lost the possession battle they won 8-2.

    Give your heads a shake and stop complaining.These are good things.Would you rather be the Leafs?

    http://www.extraskater.com/team/toronto-maple-leafs/2013#performance-graphs

    That’s what a bad team looks like.

    You still have to execute and there’s a mile of bad habits among the keepers on this team. Good arrows, fine. Don’t lose to Calgary because loafing and lack of attention to detail.

  86. PerryK says:

    8p0intgame:
    *BOLD MOVES!*

    TO FLORIDA:
    • Ales Hemsky
    • Martin Marincin
    • Nail Yakupov
    • 2014 1st round pick
    • Conditional 2015 3rd round pick*

    TO EDMONTON:
    • Nick Bjugstad
    • Marcel Goc
    • Dmitry Kulikov
    • Shawn Matthias
    • 2014 2nd round pick

    *Conditional on Marcel Goc signing an extension in Edmonton.

    TO CALGARY
    • Oscar Klefbom
    • 2014 2nd round pick (from Florida)

    TO EDMONTON:
    • Mikael Backlund

    TO NEW JERSEY:
    • Darnel Nurse
    • 2014 5th round pick

    TO EDMONTON:
    • Adam Larsson

    Line up for the remainder of the 2013-14 season:

    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins/Taylor Hall/Jordan Eberle
    Mikael Backlund/David Perron/Sam Gagner
    Boyd Gordon/Shawn Matthias/Nick Bjugstad
    Marcel Goc/Ryan Smyth/Ryan Jones
    Luke Gazdic

    Dmitry Kulikov/Adam Larsson
    Anton Belov/Jeff Petry
    Andrew Ference/Justin Schultz
    Nick Schultz/Philip Larsen

    Devan Dubynk
    Ilya Bryzgalov

    • 7 of the 13 forwards can play center (Backlund, Bjugstad, Gagner, Goc, Gordon, Matthias, and Nugent-Hopkins).
    • Bjugstad (6’6”) and Matthias (6’4”) add size up front.
    • All acquired players have blue bubbles (positive Corsi) on the Vollman Sledgehammers.
    • Backlund, Bjugstad, Kulikov, and Larsson will be Oilers’ properties for quite some time.
    • The defense is still a huge question mark, but at least we acquired a couple D-men “in the range”.

    Thoughts?

    I like the deal! You may be able to get a better deal, I think, but this one is fair. Except for the item that Hemsky needs to be signed on a 2 year $5 mill extension. However, you could keep Hemsky and give them Gagner instead (better value for them). Backlud seems to not have a lot of value in Calgary (lots of HS). We may get away without the pick. Hate to give up on Nurse before he plays a game in the NHL. I would not do this piece of the deal.

    All in all, if this deal could be done I would be all for it.

  87. Bad Seed says:

    Woodguy,

    How about we just get rid of his lazy ass before his ntc comes in? I really don’t understand why folks here are talking about keeping him and moving him to the wing. Talk about counterproductive. Let’s reward the laziness that infects this team.

  88. Bad Seed says:

    Woodguy,

    Gainey got less than nothing. He inherited Gomez’s awful contract. Had to be one of the worst trades ever. Even 6 Rings couldn’t fuck up that bad….

  89. Bad Seed says:

    hags9k,

    Billboards are awful expensive out in Vancouver, I’m thinking.

  90. sliderule says:

    theres oil in virginia,

    It’s not Schultz play to be fishing for puck.

    Schultz had to mark Hudler and make sure he couldn’t make a play on puck.

    Fishing just causes deflections that go in and takes away from what he is supposed to be doing protecting the crease area.

  91. mustang says:

    Everyone seems to love Perron. Eveyrbody is starved to see a skilled player that will compete for the puck every moment he’s on the ice. Goes hard to the net and actually stops in front and battles. He understands you shoot the puck in the net, not pass it in. David Perron is a hockey player we need a few more.

  92. mustang says:

    Lowetide,

    The very sad part of missing on a huge player that can’t skate is, one PK Subban was still on the board, ouch

  93. DeadmanWaking says:

    I like Fenclose, but it has problems. We gave up twenty more than we got in the first twelve. Then we conceded another thirty in the LA game alone.

    Over the next 18 games, we gave up another five.

    If we get five more than we give up over the next two games (following the trend line from the last nine games), that will be a twenty game segment with a 50% Fenclose. Progress?

    The problem was, the LA game wasn’t close in any sense at all except on the score board. Perhaps Fenclose should discard close-score situations where one team has dominated the shot clock from the opening whistle and the losing goalie is the game’s first star.

    Taleb’s definition of a black swan is where a single data point dominates your final outcome. We have one game here which amounts to half a black swan.

    Maybe the right way to do this would be to bound each goalie to a save percentage window from 86 to 96. No goals allowed against 30 shots would still count as a goal against. Six goals allowed on 30 shots would count instead as four. Then the adjusted Fenwick score is used to determine “close” situations.

    Suppose you go to the dressing room at the end of the 1st down 2-0 after out-shooting the opponent 15-5. This one is still hotly contested, in my books.

    Maybe widen the range a bit to 830-970. Also, the bounded-goalie score adjustment can only be one goal at most for each team.

    If you’re down 3-0 end of 1st after out-shooting 20-3, you’re still pretty hosed until you notch the first actual comeback goal. That said, in this situation the defending team should be throwing life and limb in front of every puck to have a hope in hell of successfully closing it out. These are not garbage minutes. Why play hard? Can’t you see that our hot goalie will close it out for us giving up just two goals on the next forty shots allowed?

    Right now Pittsburgh or Boston could be humbled by a tour of the top teams in the west. It’s an abnormal cluster of power to measure against.

  94. Lowetide says:

    DMW: That’s very interesting. So we’d create an artificial “model” to create new normal, and then work through the rest of the set as if the outliers didn’t exist.

    Man, there are some smart people on this site. Lordy.

  95. FastOil says:

    Woodguy: Montreal destroyed that draft.

    Oilers
    6th – Gagner
    15th – Plante
    21st – Nash

    Montreal
    12th – McDonaugh
    22nd – Pacioretty
    43rd – Subban

    Imagine if Gainey didn’t give away McDonaugh for nothing.

    Owwwwwwww! That was cruel :)

    That is what I was suggesting. The Oilers take a fancy pants (your FP), a giant with cement skate blades, and some boy crush they had.

    Not seeing the hockey players. Or the NHL players. This goes to their ‘idea’ of what makes a player and what ‘Oiler’ hockey is.

    It is loosely related to what works in the NHL. I support their 1OV decisions, and that is different than the lower picks or picks out of top 5 where things become much less clear. Drafting is lucky but they aren’t recognizing the right types IMO.

    They also have to start rewarding good play with TOI and NHL time as allegedly was going to happen and stop coddling anyone:

    Perron Gordon Hemsky
    Hall Arco Eberle
    Smyth RNH Gagner
    XXX Lander Yak

    The sticking point is they want to ‘soften up’ the other team with the 4th but they don’t have the right players for it. They also have a preset idea of what ‘role’ a player has – top 6 bottom 6 – and despite MacT having said they shouldn’t have all the same player type on a line.

    Gordon isn’t an offensive player but he has ability and the top line needs a centre who can play the whole game now, not in the future. He deserves that role, he has earned it with smart play. It isn’t fair for him to be put in tough roles without the best wingers (currently) who I see as Perron and Hemsky. Smart or stupid, what’ll it be?

    I think with proper forward support the D would be remarkably better. They aren’t stellar but they aren’t all bums either. Chara would be getting lit up with this kind of support and zero consistency.

  96. FastOil says:

    DeadmanWaking,
    There is luck and also that some players aren’t reliable defensively even if out-shooters. Reminds me of Subban giving up a tying goal and setting up the winner in OT. Perhaps the coach who seems to have an issue with him shouldn’t use him at the end of a game they are winning. He’s brilliant but high event.

    In time limited parts of a game cumulative stats don’t mean as much as reliability. Brain farts be bad.

  97. TheBusDriver86 says:

    LostBoy,

    You realize this was the easiest stretch of the schedule all season right?

  98. gcw_rocks says:

    They don’t need to blow this thing up. They need an experienced GM and a veteran head coach.

    They need the GM to be smarter in free agency and more aggressive in making trades. Add Grabovski, Boyes, Gilbert, and Hainsy to this roster and trade Gagner for a top pairing defender while shedding Hemsky and Nick Schultz salaries and this is a competitive team. Last summer coming of Gagner’s best offensive season they could have sold high.

    Then have the veteran coach and new assistants hold players accountable for there play.

    If MacT blows this thing up rather than fixing it then he is a much bigger idiot than I thought.

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