BLUES AT OILERS, G46 13-14

In a season that’s seen a lot of misery for the Oilers, it would be such a nice moment for Taylor Hall to be named to the Olympic team. I don’t think he gets it, but will cheer like hell for #4. If he doesn’t make it, my hope is that Hall takes it out on other NHL teams, and I think he might.

sandersonThe St. Louis Blues weren’t my favorite team as a kid, but I followed them closely and the team was always about hockey. Oakland was about money, Minnesota was about trading draft picks to Montreal, Pittsburgh was about old men with Dad haircuts, Los Angeles was about gold uniforms, and Philadelphia was about Bobby Clarke and Bernie Parent along with all those Bullies.

St. Louis was about bullies too, and goals, and making the playoffs and trying to win. Most seasons of my childhood the St. Louis Blues made the playoffs, which meant the Hockey News had weekly coverage all through spring, and their stats were updated for playoff scoring. A lot of the magazines would have articles like “The Plagers Fighting St. Louis into Respectability” and “Red Berenson Keeps Blues In Contention” so the general idea I got of the Blues was positive.

They’ve never won. That’s incredible. Seriously. From the time I pulled my Danny O’Shea hockey card from the bubblegum package in the Allan Store parking lot until this very day, someone has had a light on in St. Louis trying to win Stanley.

Train in Vain.

I could tell you stories forever about St. Louis Blues of my youth, but the truth is the men who lived it told it well way back then, for those listening and with access. It was a different world, I won’t say better because it isn’t true, but it was a different world back then.

 TRAVIS YOST, CORSI CLOSE %, AFTER GAME 21

CORSI CLOSE AFTER GAME 21 WESTERNIt’s only a matter of time, apparently. Flames won last night, though.

 FRIEDMAN’S SPECIFICS ON GAGNER

  • 5. Sam Gagner: He was not eligible for a no-trade clause when he signed his three-year extension last summer (It kicks-in next season). Craig MacTavish graciously promised to honour it this season, but as Edmonton searches for answers, it sounds like both sides believe it is time for a change, not that anyone is commenting. Should a deal happen, no doubt MacTavish will try to make it a soft landing.

Friedman’s 30 is here.

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Lavoie’s quote on the Penguins looking for a winger to replace Lavoie might dovetail nicely with Gagner. Dupuis has played 400 EV minutes with Crosby and Kunitz this season and isn’t bringing the boxcars (39, 7-13-20) is about what Gagner’s been doing without Crosby (32, 5-11-16). In the interests of not being a dink, this idea is lifted from this man (duh duh duh dun DUN!)

willis rade

 

MARINCIN TO THE OLYMPICS

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Martin Marincin will be playing for Slovakia at the Olympics in Sochi. In a breakthrough season it’s just one more good arrow for the long, lean defender. The youngster still needs to add some weight, but he’s showing well and this is another indication that things are coming together for him. We don’t count prospects as graduated around here until game 50, so Marincin won’t graduate before the end of this season. However, he’s 48.4% Corsi For % in about 100 5×5 minutes and looks like he’s settling in. A good chapter from a nightmare season.

BARONS LAST 5 GAMES

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Sometimes prospects take off in the middle of the season, owing to opportunities and overhead lightbulbs turning on. I’ll be speaking to Neal Livingston from Tend The Farm today and he’s going to have a lot to say. Consider the last 5 games and who’s zooming who:

  1. Curtis Hamilton 5, 5-1-6 even
  2. Martin Gernat 5, 2-2-4 +2
  3. Tyler Pitlick 5, 0-3-3 +1
  4. Taylor Fedun 3, 1-2-3 +5
  5. Andrew Miller 5, 0-2-2 -1
  6. Ryan Martindale 5, 0-2-2 -2
  7. Roman Horak 2, 1-1-2 +2
  8. Anton Lander 1, 1-1-2 +3

This is just the prospect group, I haven’t included any AHL veterans. Look at this! Incredible. We were told in summer that MacT was changing the thrust of the minor league team from results (wins over losses) to development (prospect at-bats) and it looks like these young men are enjoying the opportunity. Music! Wonderful news.

BUFF

Gary Lawless wants Dustin Byfuglien out of Winnipeg on a fast train. Article is here, Willis wrote all the words here (Jesus Murphy, Willis! Sleep in!) and of course he’d be one helluva addition to the Oilers. Just one item, though: remember when we talked about Bill James stats analysis exposing certain players (Jesus Alou) while also revealing true value where it was warranted (Cliff Johnson, Darrell Evans)? Buff is Darrell Evans here.

THE DRAFT

Terry Jones has an article up with quotes from MacT about the WJ’s and the value of a high draft pick. The money quote is this:

  • MacT: “Certainly we’ll be in a position of listening, but when you are drafting that high, it’s tough to pass on skill and youth like that. We’re certainly scouting like we’re going to be picking.”

The article is here. I don’t think we should read too much into it, MacTavish is just using sound reasoning. If they trade the pick now, thinking it’s #3, and it turns out to be #1 overall then that’s a problem. Also, getting value is his #1 job—remember, MacT has made exactly zero #1 draft picks in his time as Oiler GM—so drafting bpa (I would go with Reinhart) is probably going to be the result.

If someone wants that pick, make them pay. No sense tipping your hand until someone overwhelms you.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

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Today’s show will be fluid, so we’ll have at least one surprise guest maybe more (the Canada Olympic team announcement will dominate). Scheduled to appear beginning at 10 on TSN 1260:

  • Dave Jamieson, TSN1260 noon to 2 host and extensive background in the sports industry. Dave will be by to talk about the Olympic selection, but I will also ask his opinions on the rebuild and the Gagner leak (from an organization’s point of view).
  • Neal Livingston from Tend the Farm. It’s been awhile, I’m very much looking forward to Neal’s take on a crazy season in OKC and the recent upturn for the prospects.
  • Bruce McCurdy from Cult of Hockey. Oilers, Olympics, Gagner leak.
  • Brad Lee from St. Louis Game Time. Input on a team that could win Stanley.

10-1260 via text, @Lowetide_ on twitter.

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  1. jake70 says:

    A soft landing, does that not mean the player gets accommodated more than the team needs get met? I guess that’s the messy part of this business. Glad I am not GM.

  2. Truth says:

    Too bad for Gagner he didn’t get traded to Pitt at the start of the season to play alongside Crosby. He’d be going to the Olympics!

  3. Lowetide says:

    In the case of Gagner, if there’s a team looking for him then the value may be there. However, in general, your point is imo absolutely correct.

  4. flyfish1168 says:

    Congrats to Martin Marincin for being selected. Hopefully this boost his level of play when he returns and becomes a regular with us.

    If Gagner is traded to the Pens I hope we are getting more that just Dupuis. There is about 10 years difference between the two.

  5. j says:

    jake70,

    A soft landing may benefit the player more in some cases but this business is built on reputation and respect. A GM must acknowledge the human element of the business. As an example, the Horcoff trade. There was some salary cap relief but we could have used the player – and MacT loves that type of role model. There is no way he dumps Horc from a purely business perspective – it was a favour. That is a good hockey move IMO.

    And with Gagner, we have so many holes in the line-up that virtually any player-type should benefit us. In our current state, we should benefit from almost any trade (heck, even Larsson played big minutes as a throw in from Dallas).

  6. russ99 says:

    There’s only three days between the end of the Oiympic roster freeze and the trade deadline.

    I suspect most trading will get done before the Olympics.

  7. bookje says:

    According to a guy I know, MacT made the Yakupov pick.

  8. flyfish1168 says:

    Wouldn’t it be nice to see Martin play along side Chara. Their wingspan could cover the rink crosswise.

  9. TheOtherJohn says:

    Like how a Marincin has played a lot. Against good teams, too. But it’s 7 games.

  10. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I don’t get how this salt commercial listing its exploits managed to neglect the impact iodized salt has had on the goitre epidemic. Clearly, this innovation is up their with insulin and penicillium.

  11. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    In case anyone didn’t know, tsn live streaming their acclimation process

    http://www.tsn.ca/live/hockeycanada/

  12. Nostradumbass says:

    Belov made the Russian squad?

    Congrats if he did but if true this is another sign the Russians aren’t ready for primetime yet

  13. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Nostradumbass:
    Belov made the Russian squad

    Congrats if he did

    Looks like:

    Dmitry Chesnokov ‏@dchesnokov 16m
    It looks like here is team RUS: G: Bobrovsky, Varlamov, Eremenko. D: Belov, Voynov, Emelin, Markov, Medvedev, Nikitin, Nikulin, Tyutin…
    Retweeted by Jonathan Willis

  14. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Fuck, this guy.

    He clearly thinks he’s nailing it and hearing trumpets behind him.

    Sorry pal, these aren’t honeyed words. You’re not Nestor.

  15. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Ryan Rishaug ‏@TSNRyanRishaug 2m
    Belov made Russia, Yakupov did not.
    Retweeted by mc79hockey

  16. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    So when are they bringing Jan Arden out to sing?

  17. Ducey says:

    Who you talking about Rom?

    I am not sure I like By Fug Lin in an Oilers uniform. The advance stats love him, but the rank and file here won’t. They don’t like players that seem disinterested/ lazy half the time. It will be Tom Gilbert/ Dustin Penner all over again. A year after a trade and some MSM here would be writing the same article Lawless did.

  18. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Ducey:
    Who you talking about Rom?

    I am not sure I like By Fug Lin in an Oilers uniform.The advance stats love him, but the rank and file here won’t.They don’t like players that seem disinterested/ lazy half the time.It will be Tom Gilbert/ Dustin Penner all over again.A year after a trade and some MSM here would be writing the same article Lawless did.

    The jackoffs talking ad nauseum before the team canada team presentation.

    BUFF… love it. I’d freak out for years to get him. fuck the rank and file.
    ———–

    Stevey Y is not a great speaker!

  19. Caribbeerman says:

    Lowetide – How about the job Oklahoma coach Todd Nelson is doing? He continues to prove that he can get these prospects to develop – not always in a straight line which is unrealistic anyway – is he a serious NHL head coach candidate and could he be the next Oilers HC in September?

  20. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    KLowe wanders off after he’s done talking. hilarious.

  21. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    No Hall

  22. Sisyphus14 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Is anyone really surprised by that?

  23. Henry says:

    Hall should have made the team. Nash should not have.

    Two Habs and two Canucks. Rest of the Canadian teams shut out.

  24. Truth says:

    So the NHL version of MA Pouliot makes the team over Giroux. Anyone think Giroux on Crosby’s line would put up more points than Kunitz? What a mistake.

  25. Thiru says:

    If Buff really is available, MacT needs to be aggressive about closing that deal. Whoever they pick next year won’t be helping for another few years, and this team needs to start making the playoffs next year.

    I’d trade the #1 for him straight-up.

    Trade Gagner for a good prospect or D, sign Grabo in the offseason.

  26. Bos8 says:

    I’ve never been comfortable with this – Development by due date for D – As in picking some arbitrary age. First, in order to develop, players need challenge. Second, if they beat out a D on the big team, they should play. True, with the Oilers, this is a hurry up process but in this short time frame, Marincin is arguably top two, warts and all.

  27. Truth says:

    Steve Yzerman: Kunitz and Crosby “help each other”. Pretty sure the stats show that’s a one way street…

  28. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    SJS: take Marleau, no Couture, no Thornton.

    interesting.

  29. russ99 says:

    Hall got hosed.

    Sure, great idea to bring grindy players with international rules and ice.

  30. Caramel Obvious says:

    Shea Weber isn’t available. And if he was he would cost too much.

    So yeah, Byfuglien is exactly what the Oilers need. Not only is he good, but more importantly, his reputation does not match his ability. If you could get him for Gagner + prospect, or for J Schultz, that is a major win.

    You can’t rebuild without getting a few steals along the way, and the only way to get a steal is to find the guys that are on the outs with their organization (see Seguin, Tyler, or every awesome trade ever).

    Getting Byfuglien without paying a premium would transform the organization

  31. russ99 says:

    Byfuglien isn’t good enough to be our #1 defenseman going forward – we need to shoot higher.

  32. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bos8:
    I’ve never been comfortable with this – Development by due date for D – As in picking some arbitrary age. First, in order to develop, players need challenge. Second, if they beat out a D on the big team, they should play. True, with the Oilers, this is a hurry up process but in this short time frame, Marincin is arguably top two, warts and all.

    It’s not this clear cut.

    Development isn’t straight and young players tend to create illusions of excellence and incompetence.

  33. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    SJS: take Marleau, no Couture, no Thornton.

    interesting.

    Down Goes Brown ‏@DownGoesBrown 7m
    “Well, this is awkward…” Patrick Marleau, just now, to Joe Thornton, Logan Couture and Dan Boyle.
    Retweeted by Jonathan Willis

  34. Caramel Obvious says:

    On the Olympics at least they got Subban right.

    Kunitz is obviously a dumb move. So obvious you can’t waste words on it. Even worse would be to actually play him with Crosby.

    I don’t understand the Duchene love. I’d rather have St. Louis.

    Rick Nash is coming off an injury. I wouldn’t have taken him either. What does Joe Thornton have to do to get respect?

  35. Sisyphus14 says:

    Thiru,

    No way Washington lets Grabo go. They’ll extend him, and might be open to the idea of a trade involving him, but its going to be costly. Their GM can’t afford more f-ups in the trade department, so if you want Grabo, its going to be expensive—too expensive for the Oilers

  36. JonyPro says:

    Team Canada said they wanted a fast team so they don’t screw up like they did Italy of 2006 so why not Hall? Especially on the big ice, he would fly circles around most players.

  37. Caramel Obvious says:

    russ99:
    Byfuglien isn’t good enough to be our #1 defenseman going forward – we need to shoot higher.

    #1 defensemen is a term without meaning. The only thing that matters is his value to the team in relation to his cost. If the cost isn’t prohibitive Byfuglien makes the team better. That’s all that matters.

  38. hoser313 says:

    1) Buy low, sell high. If you can get Buff on the cheap, i.e. this player: http://twicsy.com/i/f3XAGe

    then do it.

    2) Do you think someone in the Oil brain trust knew Marincin was close? He gets brought up, played regularly, and then used on both PP and PK, all within weeks before the Olympic teams are named. In any event, man, that’s awesome for the kid.

  39. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Babcock just named dropped RK!

  40. jake70 says:

    Rick Nash, really?

  41. RexLibris says:

    Very surprised by the Marincin selection. That is one heck of an honour for a kid who hasn’t even cracked the regular NHL roster on a bad team.

    His IIHF play must have played a part in the selection. Can’t overstate how much I love this opportunity for his development.

    On another note, interesting that the only Flames player selected was traded there by the Oilers. Charity starts at home (ie: in the province), I suppose.

    As for Canada, I was expecting one or two bad calls. But Carter, Marleau, Nash and Kunitz? Kunitz we knew. But if you have Marleau why do you need Nash? Carter over Thornton? Really!?

    I knew Hall wouldn’t make the cut and I’m just fine with that. Now go set the world on fire, young man. Make the storylines from here to 2018 all about how bad a decision that was. And maybe drag this sorry franchise along with you.

    I may, perhaps, just have to cheer for the Czechs and Slovaks as much as Canada now.

  42. Sisyphus14 says:

    Something of note—for Team Canada’s roster—of the 25 players, 22 come from teams in the top half of the standings. The only outliers are Tavares, Weber, and Nash. Hate to say it, but if you play for a team in the bottom half of the league, your chances of making Team Canada plummet. There are a few exceptions, but by and large if you aren’t playing for a good team, and playing well for them, you lack a lot of opportunity to make the Olympic roster.

    What this says to me about Hallsy’s chances for 2018, barring a truly miraculous turnaround by the Oilers, is not good. I hope for his sake he could be one of the exceptions, but it’s definitely not a sure thing. And for a guy with his talent level and passion, you’d hate to see him get skipped again because he plays for a joke of an organization.

  43. WeirsBeard says:

    Caramel Obvious: #1 defensemen is a term without meaning.The only thing that matters is his value to the team in relation to his cost.If the cost isn’t prohibitive Byfuglien makes the team better.That’s all that matters.

    Exactly! Sure, having Weber or Chara would be nice, but not if it guts your roster. Byfuglin is around fourth in the league for defenseman in TOI/GM. I think that speaks to pretty good.

  44. hags9k says:

    Don’t like the Benn, Marleau or Hamhuis selections…

    So Hall is left off, ok fine, but what really bugs me is that he isn’t even mentioned in anyone’s notable omissions lists. I mean cmon, he had to have been right on the bubble at least.

  45. Jordan says:

    Truth:
    Steve Yzerman: Kunitz and Crosby “help each other”.Pretty sure the stats show that’s a one way street…

    Caramel Obvious:
    Kunitz is obviously a dumb move.So obvious you can’t waste words on it.Even worse would be to actually play him with Crosby.

    Neilson & Fraser were talking about this, and esp. in relation to not picking Giroux. Suspicion that this is all Crosby – he wants Kunitz, and he won’t play with Giroux, because they hate each other.

    With regards to the other questionable selections… Thorton & St. Louis should be on this team. I’d like to see Hall, but I’m a homer on him – don’t think he’s played well enough over the term of the season to earn it. I don’t like Kunitz, Carter, Nash.

    I’m not unhappy with the Marleau, but he always scores on the Oilers, so maybe I’ve just seen him good.

  46. teddyturnbuckle says:

    I’ m glad MacT is looking at drafting a good player instead of taking a low offer on the pick . Truth is teams don’t want to give up good players for draft picks so those deals rarely ever happen. We need another center for the two spot because its clear Ganger can’t fill that role or we need Eckblad. The Oilers need good players coming through the draft every year if we are going to get out of this. There are no easy fixes here. Hate to say it but we probably won’ t make the playoffs next year either. Stay the course don’t take the pie out of the oven before its cooked perfectly.

  47. Woodguy says:

    Truth:
    So the NHL version of MA Pouliot makes the team over Giroux.Anyone think Giroux on Crosby’s line would put up more points than Kunitz?What a mistake.

    I think I’ve written this sentence about 5,632 times, but I guess one more time won’t matter.

    MAP was drafted THE YEAR BEFORE Crosby got to Rimouski.

  48. RexLibris says:

    Hey, LT.

    From Friedman’s thoughts, which you’ve probably read, but I figured it was worth noting here:

    28. At the first Alumni Game in Detroit, Scotty Bowman sent out 74-year-old Red Berenson, who tied up his man to win a last-second faceoff and preserve victory. At speaking events, Bowman tells a great story about Berenson, who played for him in St. Louis. The player was struggling one season, so the coach called him into his office. After a debate about how things were going, Berenson said he felt he brought a lot of leadership and was a fixture on the team. Bowman replied, “Red, the only fixtures here are the lightbulbs, and when they’re broken, we change them.”

  49. Lowetide says:

    Rex: Classic. Berenson dominated the NHL west back then, Bowman should have paid him.

    Truth: WHAT pray tell is wrong with MA POULIOT?

  50. Sisyphus14 says:

    teddyturnbuckle,

    Agree re: not making playoffs next year. That said, given the way this season has gone and appears to be continuing to go, I predict finishing within last 5 teams in league again next season for sure, and probable on the season after that

  51. Truth says:

    Woodguy: I think I’ve written this sentence about 5,632 times, but I guess one more time won’t matter.

    MAP was drafted THE YEAR BEFORE Crosby got to Rimouski.

    Well holy! You are correct! I’ve been looking like a fool for years now. Doesn’t change my stance on the inclusion of Kunitz. His name should be well below Hall’s (and everyone else’s) on the list of considered players.

  52. PDO says:

    Lowetide:
    Rex: Classic. Berenson dominated the NHL west back then, Bowman should have paid him.

    Truth: WHAT pray tell is wrong with MA POULIOT?

    He’s got that pubis thing.

  53. Ducey says:

    Sisyphus14:
    Something of note—for Team Canada’s roster—of the 25 players, 22 come from teams in the top half of the standings. The only outliers are Tavares, Weber, and Nash. Hate to say it, but if you play for a team in the bottom half of the league, your chances of making Team Canada plummet. There are a few exceptions, but by and large if you aren’t playing for a good team, and playing well for them, you lack a lot of opportunity to make the Olympic roster.

    What this says to me about Hallsy’s chances for 2018, barring a truly miraculous turnaround by the Oilers, is not good. I hope for his sake he could be one of the exceptions, but it’s definitely not a sure thing. And for a guy with his talent level and passion, you’d hate to see him get skipped again because he plays for a joke of an organization.

    Its likely that Hall’s age was as much a factor as anything. Its easy to forget, but a gold medal game in the Olympics is a pretty stressful experience. Add in the big ice and not much time to prepare and they were likely biased towards vets.

    Tavares and Duchene are the youngest on the team and from the 2009 draft. Doughty, Stamkos, and Pietrangelo are from 2008. Benn and Subban are from the 2007 draft (picked 42nd!). Then you have Toews from the 2006 draft. Thats just 8 players 25 or under. 14 of the Team Canada players are born 1985 or earlier.

    Hall was a 2010 draft pick. He would have been the youngest player on Team Canada.

  54. Truth says:

    Lowetide:

    Truth: WHAT pray tell is wrong with MA POULIOT?

    Lol! Figured you might take offense to that comment. I must have missed his name among the bubble players. Kunitz – Crosby – MAP, now there’s a #1 line for Canada.

  55. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide,

    Funny thing is, Berenson at 74 might be our 4th line C if he’s that good.

    He’d be a 1C for the Flames right now, provided he can pass the gritchart. ;)

  56. Wolfpack says:

    Very interesting numbers there Sisyphus14. If you’re not good enough to single-handedly drag your team into the top half of the standings, you are unlikely to get selected for Team Canada.

    I am not a fan of the selections of Kunitz, Carter or Nash. I’d rather see St. Louis or Giroux on the team in place of any of those guys. You do wonder how much input Crosby had into the selections – if he could get Kunitz in, could he have kept Giroux off the team? And Hamhuis? I’d be more comfortable with Seabrook back there instead. Even Boyle, whose skating is a great fit for the big ice.

    I firmly believe that in four years Taylor Hall will be the #1 LW’er on Team Canada at the Olympics – his time will come as his total game continues to improve.

    If Canada manages to win this tournament it will be because they’ve got the best blue-line.

  57. TheOtherJohn says:

    LT…….Eagerly awaiting the MA Pouliot NHL comeback

  58. Ducey says:

    TheOtherJohn:
    LT…….Eagerly awaiting the MA Pouliot NHL comeback

    Just wait. One of these years he will get over a point a game in the Swiss league…

  59. flyfish1168 says:

    I’m Ok with Hall not making it. This way he can use it as motivation to build on his skills. Canada has enough players that can score and move the puck. Hall maybe better on the 5×5 offensive side of the puck but he is also the weaker player on the defensive side than the others.

  60. Ice Sage says:

    The Oilers’ ‘Mediocre D Development Plan’ hits paydirt with Smid, Marincin and Belov off to Sochi.

    I’ll be thrilled if the Oilers score once tonight.

  61. lazerguidedmelody says:

    This made me smile on the Twitters:

    @sean_write 14m
    Sad thing is Taylor Hall would have made Team Russia if Ovechkin wasn’t named to the squad twice.

  62. Bag of Pucks says:

    It would appear that Yzerman’s checklist went something like:

    Size – check
    Skill – check
    Experience – check
    Plays 200ft game – check
    Plays for winning team – check

    And the selection process weighed in your favour if you offer ready chemistry with a current teammate (i.e. Kunitz, Bouwwmeester)

    Don’t have all those attributes, you don’t make the team. The approach makes perfect sense to me. Why would you take a player lacking size (St Louis) or one lacking a 200ft game (Hall) when you don’t have to? This country has too many excellent hockey players. Players lacking in certain areas are simply not going to make the grade. Sad that the ship has now officially sailed on St Louis. Hopefully this is an excellent motivator for Hallsy going forward to round out his game.

    The only selection I quibble with is Kunitz over Couture, but can certainly understand why the selection committee went this way. Crosby and Kunitz have excellent chemistry and Kunitz is a very underrated netfront presence.I’d hazard a bet that all those slagging that selection now will be singing his praises once the actual games start.

  63. tsunami says:

    Seabrook should have made it imo…

  64. rickithebear says:

    flyfish1168:
    I’m Ok with Hall not making it. This way he can use it as motivation to build on his skills. Canada has enough players that can score and move the puck. Hall maybe better on the 5×5offensive side of the puck but he is also the weaker player on the defensive side than the others.

    Just so everyone Knows:
    Canada should have 2 pp units and 3 PK forwrd pairs.
    Canadian forwards in the top 30 in even scoring and top 15 pk results.
    Getzlaf; Hall; Couture; Santorelli; Carter; Eberle;

  65. Bag of Pucks says:

    tsunami:
    Seabrook should have made it imo…

    I think Seabrook is a casualty of this tourney being played on the big ice. Same for Thornton and Richards. Bouwwmeester, Vlasic and Subban are all better skaters. Shame, he’s a gamer no doubt.

  66. OilClog says:

    Not binging Hall is foolish, maybe it’s homerism, but the kid much much better then some of these guys. What would Hall do with Crosby… Who cares we got Kunitz! Fuck.

  67. bookje says:

    I wish the Canadian team the best of luck in duplicating the success of the Canadian World Juniors team. Until these guys start picking the best players available, I hope they lose.

  68. justDOit says:

    I’ve been so busy, no time for watching games or even looking at the sched. The Blues tonight? Oh my…

    http://i.imgur.com/tBM2x7K.jpg

  69. Logan91 says:

    Wolfpack:

    I firmly believe that in four years Taylor Hall will be the #1 LW’er on Team Canada at the Olympics – his time will come as his total game continues to improve.

    I’m sure in 4 years, Hall – Nuge – Eberle, will be a legit top line for the Olympics

  70. Andy P says:

    The comforting thought when looking at all this, and at the furore going on in Winnipeg over the Jet’s lack of delivery, is it’s not Because Oilers……. or Because Jets…… it’s Because Canada!

    Proof being Lowe at the heart of the brain trust.

  71. Bos8 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: It’s not this clear cut.

    Development isn’t straight and young players tend to create illusions of excellence and incompetence.

    Of course it isn’t. But when they’re ready to challenge you give them the shot. It’s not as if when they start floundering that you can’t send them back. The size and skill level is there. All that’s left is the process. That requires experience. Any they can steal at this point is a bonus.

    It would be great if the Oilers had a mentor for these young pups but Petry is the closest we have and the two are not getting run. All good so far.

    I saw a few OKC games and Marincin was starting to dominate, so he’s on track. It would be ironic if the Oilers were focusing on almost ready D and overlooked the ones at home.

  72. Bank Shot says:

    Logan91: I’m sure in 4 years, Hall – Nuge – Eberle, will be a legit top line for the Olympics

    Hall should be on the team for sure. Doubt the other two. Hopkins is in especially tough to ever make that team.

    He has to pass 3 of Crosby, Tavares, Stamkos, Toews, Duchene, Seguin, plus if Mackinnon or Mcdavid go supernova in the next 2-3 years that’s even more comp.

  73. VanOil says:

    Buff would be a great addition to the Oilers. I would trade the First round pick for him and ad NSchultz as a sweetener.

    Those who are concerned he is not a true #1 Dman or elite enough for our precious last in the west forever team. I offer you these skills he would bring:

    Size to clear the net against the big bad west.

    PP net front presence that is not going to be moved.

    Size to disrupt the cycle of even the biggest Western teams (tonight will provide an illustration of this weakness in the Oilers if you missed the SJ lesson)

    He also good with the Corgis, nice to small children and stands up to bullies.

    A right side defense core of Buff, Petry, Schultz will allow the Oiler to start bringing along our talented left handed D prospects and provide them some shelter.

    As Willis states in his article if Buff is available MacT should be first in line.

    Weighing the magic beans of Ekblad versus the full of beans Buff is no contest as far as I am concerned.

  74. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bos8: Of course it isn’t.But when they’re ready to challenge you give them the shot.It’s not as if when they start floundering that you can’t send them back.The size and skill level is there.All that’s left is the process.That requires experience.Any they can steal at this point is a bonus.

    It would be great if the Oilers had a mentor for these young pups but Petry is the closest we have and the two are not getting run.All good so far.

    I saw a few OKC games and Marincin was starting to dominate, so he’s on track.It would be ironic if the Oilers were focusing on almost ready D and overlooked the ones at home.

    Well, no one is saying to deny prospects their cup of coffee so if that’s what you are arguing against it is a pure straw man.

    Marincin is having a great run over his first year and half of pro — lots of ups and downs but steady progress. Everyone is excited.

    But that still means he is probably at best on track to start an NHL season on an NHL roster in 15/16.

  75. teddyturnbuckle says:

    Interesting that Gagner wasn’t eligible for a no trade clause this year. How come we are just hearing about that now. Wouldn’t suprise me if both parties want a change. MacT has to move him. Its like we have two of every property in monopoly but can’t buy any houses.

  76. Lucinius says:

    Heh. Good ol’ Team Canada selections.

    I’m not surprised they didn’t take Hall — he simply hasn’t been good enough, I’m sorry. He hasn’t been. Not surprised Giroux isn’t going either; the guy can put up points, but this hasn’t been a great year for him and he’s proven at past international tournaments that he’s good for 1-2 silver platter turn overs a game. I wouldn’t have picked him.

    Taking Kunitz is purely for Crosby, imo. Dumb, but traditional dumbassery from Team Canada. Taking Nash is just a head scratcher.

    Overall I’m not thrilled with Team Canada and will be cheering against the team as there’s almost no one on it that I enjoy watching play the game and I always love to see Team Canada’s management with egg on their faces. Hope they finish 4th, with the Americans 5th.

    Sad to see Yak didn’t get a spot on Team Russia.. his play sealed the deal, though. He’s been bad this year. But I’ll be watching the Czech, Russian and Slovak games at the Olympics.

  77. Andy P says:

    teddyturnbuckle:
    Interesting that Gagner wasn’t eligible for a no trade clause this year. How come we are just hearing about that now.Wouldn’t suprise me if both parties want a change.MacT has to move him.Its like we have two of every property in monopoly but can’t buy any houses.

    IIRC I read that on this blog at the time he signed. Should have been general knowledge.

    Edit: The holdback to him being traded was in its place MacT gave him a public, verbal undertaking not to trade him in year 1. Something to do with his fiancé being a doctor who has to be in Edm this year and next.

  78. Fixall with Rexall says:

    What’s a soft landing?

    I’d be happy with almost anything for Sam now. On any other team there would be rumours of a buyout. Damn shame to be sure.

    Be interesting what we get for him.

  79. Henry says:

    Thiru:
    If Buff really is available, MacT needs to be aggressive about closing that deal. Whoever they pick next year won’t be helping for another few years, and this team needs to start making the playoffs next year.

    I’d trade the #1 for him straight-up.

    Trade Gagner for a good prospect or D, sign Grabo in the offseason.

    Logan91: I’m sure in 4 years, Hall – Nuge – Eberle, will be a legit top line for the Olympics

    I hope they make the playoffs by then.

    I like Buff, but not for the first next year.

    Lombardi would not have won the Stanley if he traded the pick that became Doughty for Kimmo Timonen.

  80. Hammers says:

    russ99:
    Byfuglien isn’t good enough to be our #1 defenseman going forward – we need to shoot higher.

    Lets not forget he played on the wing for Chicago and the last time I looked we need a big , mean winger who can score . Any player who can play both “D” & wing you go after . Maybe we get the “D” we need in the offseason or another trade .

  81. Fixall with Rexall says:

    I can’t remember a worse D than this. Waiting for them not to be shitty is not a business model. Deal the pick, deal a kid, get something legitimate. It’s been long enough.

  82. bookje says:

    Fixall with Rexall:
    I can’t remember a worse D than this. Waiting for them not to be shitty is not a business model. Deal the pick, deal a kid, get something legitimate. It’s been long enough.

    The Oilers defence? What are you talking about, the Oilers boast two Olympians on their defence currently.

  83. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Fixall with Rexall: What’s a soft landing?

    They mean a place amenable to the player. So, basically a soft landing is whatever Gagner defines it as.

  84. OneEye says:

    Gregor has K Lowe on in next 10-15 mins. Lets see how he feels about the direction of the Oilers.

  85. FastOil says:

    Byfuglien has pretty good stats except his goal differential, which is a team worst -16 (does have a lower PDO right now). He’s a perfect fit for the Oilers in that he has game and can move the puck but seems to make catastrophic errors.

    I’d be more comfortable with a player with strong fundamentals to keep the puck out of the net and be a mentor.

  86. Bos8 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Well, no one is saying to deny prospects their cup of coffee so if that’s what you are arguing against it is a pure straw man.

    Marincin is having a great run over his first year and half of pro — lots of ups and downs but steady progress. Everyone is excited.

    But that still means he is probably at best on track to start an NHL season on an NHL roster in 15/16.

    That’s one of those generalities, one size fits all, that I have a problem with. If Marincin wasn’t ready to compete with the tier above, then you have a reason to hold him back. But at this point he is two/three on the roster and should have hands on coaching available. If he continues as is great, if he gets exposed he gets sent down. The Oilers need for his size and skill is at the critical stage. The time is there till the end of season which gives him forty games. Then you evaluate.

  87. Fixall with Rexall says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    So….. He’s going to Calgary for a prospect?

  88. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bos8: That’s one of those generalities, one size fits all, that I have a problem with.If Marincin wasn’t ready to compete with the tier above, then you have a reason to hold him back. But at this point he is two/three on the roster and should have hands on coaching available. If he continues as is great, if he gets exposed he gets sent down. The Oilers need for his size and skill is at the critical stage.The time is there till the end of season which gives him forty games.Then you evaluate.

    What generalities are you talking about?

    We are talking about hard won empirical reality here. D take longer. Prospects have wonky development paths.

    Marincin will not be exceptional here. And if he miraculously is, great! Who’s going to deny him in that case?

    No one is holding the positions you are arguing against.

  89. Bos8 says:

    An forty pound overweight, Byfuglien subject to brain cramps really doesn’t seem to rate the Hosanna section.

  90. Bos8 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: But that still means he is probably at best on track to start an NHL season on an NHL roster in 15/16.

    Romulus Apotheosis: What generalities are you talking about?

    We are talking about hard won empirical reality here. D take longer. Prospects have wonky development paths.

    Marincin will not be exceptional here. And if he miraculously is, great! Who’s going to deny him in that case?

    No one is holding the positions you are arguing against.

    At best in two years?
    ———————————–
    No one is holding the positions you are arguing against.
    ———————————————–
    You claim to be representing, everyone?

    I’m not arguing, I thought it was a discussion.

    Easy on the patronizing

  91. Ducey says:

    It looks like Flames 1st rounder Sven Baertschi didn’t make the Swiss Olympic team. Ouch.
    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=111406

  92. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bos8: At best in two years?

    Yes. As a starting NHL regular (82 games). that means 14/15 or 15/16.

    14/15 is possible, but unlikely and if it happens there is a good chance it will be a mistake. More likely he plays around 40-50 NHL games next year.

    Bos8: You claim to be representing, everyone?

    No. I’m suggesting that you appear to be fighting straw men. Otherwise, find someone claiming Marincin shouldn’t get his cup of coffee this year and next.

    Bos8: I’m not arguing, I thought it was a discussion.

    I don’t mean arguing in the husband/wife sense, I mean it in the dry, conversational sense, i.e., making an argument for something and debating that thing with others.

    Bos8: Easy on the patronizing

    I haven’t patronized you. I’m challenging your contention that people around here are holding Marincin back, or something.

  93. gr8one says:

    Hey LT,

    I know this is completely off topic but I wanted to share and I guess there’s no place like here.

    Anyways, a few days(a week or two, maybe?) ago someone(can’t remember who) asked you in a thread about required reading and you recommended Behind the Moves. Of course me loving that kind of thing, I looked into buying it myself.

    Since I’m cheap, and couldn’t really stomach dropping a hundred dollars on a book right after Christmas I stumbled upon a private vendor selling a copy on Amazon for ten bucks and immediately ordered it.

    I just now received it in the mail and other than a few small tears on the dust jacket it’s in pretty much mint condition and I must say that I haven’t been this excited to start a book in forever.

    Lastly, I will say that I was initially surprised(annoyed) that I received a “Toronto Maple Leafs Limited Edition” version despite the vendor not stating this in the item description, but upon further review I see that it is actually a numbered limited edition with an autographed foreword from Brian Burke printed on vellum and bound inside.

    I’m obviously not a Leafs fan and even less so a Brian Burke fan but still a pretty serendipitous find, good score for ten bucks!

    Just wanted to say thank you for bringing it to my attention and recommending it, it lead me to a nice little treasure.

  94. Fixall with Rexall says:

    Lowe says he’s the boss but he’s not responsible for decisions.

  95. stevezie says:

    Bos8,

    The question isnb’t whterh Buff would save the D, it’s 1) would he make it better? and 2) is he worth the cost?

    The answers to both appear to be yes, however I guess you could argue that his caphit precludes acquiring another top D, but since no one is offering one I’d take him anyway.

    On another note, Jeff Marek has been claiming for years that Crosby has long asked Shero to look into getting Sam Gagner to be his right winger. I would get greedy and try to get Maata out of them. Oh sure they would probably say no, but we can add a “solid” NHLer like Nick Schultz for them to take back, and another prospect like Musil. The Penguins have shown a propensity to “go for it”, I think there is hope.

    I had resolved not get too worked up about the Olympic selections because, really, we can’t go wrong! So I’m not upset about Hall, or Kunitz, or Carter or St Louis even if I would have done some things differently.
    But never for one second did I even consider the possibility they would take Marleau over Thornton. I’m not even mad- I’m stunned.
    Bouwmeester picked a good time to have a career year. I suspect he is Kunitz to Pietrangelo’s Crosby, but I don’t watch enough Blues’ games to really know.

  96. Gerta Rauss says:

    gr8one,

    Lucky bugger-I still can’t find it online for less than $168

  97. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    gr8one,

    Sounds like you stumbled on a seller who didn’t know what they had.

  98. gr8one says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    gr8one,

    Lucky bugger-I still can’t find it online for less than $168

    Indeed, I feel like I won a mini-lottery.

  99. Gerta Rauss says:

    gr8one,

    I’ll give you 20 bucks for it..:)

    Did you find it on amazon dot ca….dot com…?

    I swear I checked all my usual places on the day of that thread-I must have overlooked it

  100. denny33 says:

    Eric D, of the Globe and Mail took great pains to highlight the players taken will have a high hockey IQ and play a 200 ft. Game.

    As I pointed out early and often, Taylor Hall is a turnover machine and I defy anyone to type the sentence Taylor Hall plays a 200 ft. Game.

    Eakins has talked about it.

    Analysts have talked about it…HNIC crew being just the latest.

    Other NHL coaches.

    Now, even fans at Rexall grown out loud at his neutral zone passes and turnovers.

    Almost zero chance of him making this team…..probably three guys or more, still ahead of Taylor if injuries do occur.

    Meanwhile, Taylor Hall leads an NHL team mired in 29th place.

  101. TheOtherJohn says:

    We are playing on big ice and Marleau’s speed is elite and Jumbo Joe’s is not.

    Bouwmeester has played very well for Canada internationally and on Olympic ice, is a great skater and is Pietrangelo’s Kunitz

  102. Gerta Rauss says:

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=440619

    Khabibulin out 4-5 months with shoulder surgery

    There is an Edmonton Oilers joke in there somewhere

  103. denny33 says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Agreed, not a lot to argue with …..

    Personally, not a Rick Nash fan at all….but that is minor.

  104. Bos8 says:

    stevezie:
    Bos8,

    The question isnb’t whterh Buff would save the D, it’s 1) would he make it better? and 2) is he worth the cost?

    The answers to both appear to be yes, however I guess you could argue that his caphit precludes acquiring another top D, but since no one is offering one I’d take him anyway.

    The main problem with the Oiler D as I see it, is lack of size/strength especially against the big teams. They do just fine – relatively speaking – against the others. There is a need for more than one addition. I’m leery of the By solution to the problem. He’s one player.

    There is the cost and then the player’s commitment. As always there are many variables but I would first give Marincin and Klefbom some extended playing time and then assess in the off season.

  105. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=440619

    Khabibulin out 4-5 months with shoulder surgery

    There is an Edmonton Oilers joke in there somewhere

    It would be even funnier, but

    Labarbera’s played well.

    http://icehogs.com/team/stats/

  106. denny33 says:

    VanOil,

    As a Guy who lives in Winnipeg, big Buf has LOTS of warts….LOTS.

    A guy that likes hockey. Does not Love hockey.

    Nearing 30…..the price of Ekblad would be steep.

    He literally disapears some nights……for gags, sure.

    Not for Ekblad or Reinhart…

  107. gr8one says:

    Man, I would love to add Buf depending on the price…I think he’d be a fantastic addition to this group, especially because of his versatility of being able to play forward. I just think that his presence would add a much needed dimension to this team. Geez, imagine him as our net front presence on our power play, and like others have pointed out clearing out all those western conference behemoths out from the front of our net.

    The price sounds like it might not be as steep as I may have thought either.

    If MacT could somehow work some magic and obtain Buf and Ehrhoff without giving up our first rounder(maybe send away our 2015 first rounder cashing in on a GM hoping to cash in big time on the McDavid sweeps) and then pick up DalColle or Draisatl with this years pick could set us up nicely going forward allowing us to be competitive immediately while allowing our D prospects some time to mature.

    Ehrhoff Petry
    Ference Byfuglien
    Belov Schultz

    Klef/Marincin/Nurse

    Speaking of Nurse…he’s eligible for the AHL next year, yes?

  108. gr8one says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    gr8one,

    I’ll give you 20 bucks for it..:)

    Did you find it on amazon dot ca….dot com…?

    I swear I checked all my usual places on the day of that thread-I must have overlooked it

    dot com.

    I live in coastal North Carolina and thus it defaults to dot com, so maybe that’s why I found it and you missed it?

    haha…I actually initially kicked around the idea of doing a sort of pay it forward book club type thing with it, like when I’m finished with it send it to one of you all and then when they were done they send it to someone else and so one, however since it is the collector edition with an ACTUAL signed autograph(not the fake printed kind) I think I’m going to have to hold onto it.

  109. stevezie says:

    denny33,

    I don’t think we have to deal the 1st for BUff. He is overpaid and the bloom is off that rose. I think, and I’m wrong all the time, but I think he is undervalued. We don’t need him to be perfect, we just need him to be better than what we have and worth what we would have to give up. I think he is those things.

    (Full disclosure: I have not bothered to look up his advanced stats, I am just trusting that people who say “the math loves him” aren’t making it up.)

    Gagner would probably get him… or if you want to go cheap some collection of Musil, Lander, a second… the usual crap people throw out when fans are trying to play armchair GM. It really might work this time as Winnipeg is not going to make the playoffs and clearly feels it needs to “do something”, clearly does not want to fire its coach, and probably wonders why they’re paying so much for a core that accomplishes so little. Trading Buff probably helps them tank and if we give them a fine collection of prospects back speeds up their “rebuild”.

  110. Gerta Rauss says:

    gr8one,

    thanks-in my experience buying books online, you snooze, you lose…I think it just came down to timing and luck

    I found a copy with Bill Torrey’s signature(the Islanders limited edition copy) with the 2 posters included for a semi reasonable price-I’m mulling it over now

  111. VanOil says:

    denny33,

    Hi Denny I respect your opinion on Buffs warts and his lack of love. For me Ekblad seems to be far from a sure thing, much like an overage player, a player who matures physically early has a huge advantage over his age group peers. This does not mean they have elite talent overall. When I see Ekblad I am influenced by the Chris Philips scouting report and see a good but not great player. The Buff I saw Chicago deploy against Vancouver was a playoff round difference maker.

    On a different topic. Nabokovs injury should have NYI desperate for a goalie. Given Gagner and Tavares grew up playing in Sam’s back yard rink I think it would qualify as a soft landing for Sam. MacDonald, as long as Lobo returns from his sore head, (his naming to the Olympic team suggest he will) is rumored to be available due to pending UFA status. Would Gagner and Dubynk be enough to get MacDonald and Nelson?

    On yet a different topic I hope Chara takes a young Slovakian string bean giant under his wings during the Olympics and they start training/eating together in the off season.

  112. Ontario Oilers Fan says:

    So….. just in case I’m a bit confused I need reassurance. So Eakins benches Belov for a 2nd game…
    Belov was selected to team Russia… Belov is now an Olympic athlete but he cannot make the defence line-up on the 29th ranked NHL team??????
    WTF is Eakins smoking? dried fruit peels?

  113. Lucinius says:

    Ontario Oilers Fan,

    Eakins isn’t that good of a coach. Its that simple. He can talk a great game, but falters heavily on execution. His inability to properly handle benchings is one aspect of it (how has Gagner not gotten sat since his return, when he was often one of the worst Oilers?).

    The Oilers have seen some fairly spectacular regression this year and, imo, a lot of that falls onto the coaching staff (Eakins, Acton, Bucky, Smith). Firing Kruger has shown itself to have been a horrible decision by MacT (his worst one). Eakins should have been brought in as an assistant to Kruger, imo, and Bucky and Smith fired and replaced by Kruger’s choices.

    But this is the Edmonton Oilers we’re talking about. There is nothing they can’t screw up.

    I’m still waiting for them to trade Hemsky and Yak to decent teams so I can start to watch them again.

  114. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Ontario Oilers Fan:
    So….. just in case I’m a bit confused I need reassurance. So Eakins benches Belov for a 2nd game…
    Belov was selected to team Russia… Belov is now an Olympic athlete but he cannot make the defence line-up on the 29th ranked NHL team??????
    WTF is Eakins smoking? dried fruit peels?

    As one of Belov’s most ardent believers… this argument leaves a lot to be desired.

    Team Olympic selection isn’t some neutral process. Belov being on the team ≠ Belov is one of the top Russian Ds.

    Eakins isn’t sitting Belov simply because he thinks he’s terrible. He’s got some kind of a “re-set” plan that he outlined loosely the other day about Belov being worn down and struggling on the fast, small ice.

    The GM seems to want to watch Hunt play (he’s on the team after all and he is clearly not a better option than Belov).

    In all likelihood Belov gets back in soon… it takes a few games for Eakins to chew through ugly mistakes by his players apparently.

  115. bookje says:

    Lucinius:
    Ontario Oilers Fan,

    The Oilers have seen some fairly spectacular regression this year and, imo, a lot of that falls onto the coaching staff (Eakins, Acton, Bucky, Smith).

    Are you sure about this?

  116. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lucinius: The Oilers have seen some fairly spectacular regression this year and, imo, a lot of that falls onto the coaching staff (Eakins, Acton, Bucky, Smith). Firing Kruger has shown itself to have been a horrible decision by MacT (his worst one).

    Can you support this claim?

  117. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    bookje,

    Damn your eyes!

  118. Ducey says:

    VanOil:
    denny33,

    The Buff I saw Chicago deploy against Vancouver was a playoff round difference maker.

    On a different topic. Nabokovs injury should have NYI desperate for a goalie. Given Gagner and Tavares grew up playing in Sam’s back yard rink I think it would qualify as a soft landing for Sam. MacDonald, as long as Lobo returns from his sore head, (his naming to the Olympic team suggest he will) is rumored to be available due to pending UFA status. Would Gagner and Dubynk be enough to get MacDonald and Nelson?

    Eager was pretty swell 4 years ago for CHI too. I don’t think you can make decisions based on how a player was 4 years and likely 30 lbs ago. I could get behind bringing in Byfuglien but not at the cost of the high 1st rounder.

    Are you talking Andy MacDonald? I think you are drastically undervaluing Gagner and Dubnyk. Nelson looks like someone the Oilers could use, but either of Gagner or Dubnyk straight up should be more than enough to get him. Andy MacDonald isn’t someone this team needs. He is having a better year than Gagner but his career high in points is 27 and he is a small skill forward. I wouldn’t want him. Maybe NYI would take DD and Gagner for Nelson and Griffin Reinhart.

  119. Melman says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: It would be even funnier, but

    Labarbera’s played well.

    http://icehogs.com/team/stats/

    Interesting stats on Labarbera….it’s almost as if the quality of the team’s defense affects the goalies numbers!!

  120. Melman says:

    Ducey,

    I think he meant Andrew MacDonald on the the Isle’s D…but he’s a 6′ 180 lbs D who isn’t going to solve the problem of us getting pushed around by the big boys out west

  121. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Melman: Interesting stats on Labarbera….it’s almost as if the quality of the team’s defense affects the goalies numbers!!

    The Icehogs are marginally better than the Barons (if you take record to be representative of a team’s true talent, which you shouldn’t), but he’s played marginally better with the Barons.

    So, you were saying?

  122. Hammers says:

    Most of us figured both Hall & Ebs where throw ins by Lowe . To bad as on a good team they may have had a chance . Maybe they both look at this as another reason to prove them wrong type of thing .If lucky we end up 22nd-24th especially if a decent asset can be attained for that 1st rd pick . As they say life can be a gamble and I think McT is a gambler .

  123. gr8one says:

    Ducey: Eager was pretty swell 4 years ago for CHI too.I don’t think you can make decisions based on how a player was 4 years and likely 30 lbs ago.I could get behind bringing in Byfuglien but not at the cost of the high 1st rounder.

    Are you talking Andy MacDonald?I think you are drastically undervaluing Gagner and Dubnyk.Nelson looks like someone the Oilers could use, but either of Gagner or Dubnyk straight up should be more than enough to get him.Andy MacDonald isn’t someone this team needs.He is having a better year than Gagner but his career high in points is 27 and he is a small skill forward.I wouldn’t want him.Maybe NYI would take DD and Gagner for Nelson and Griffin Reinhart.

    I’m pretty sure he means Andrew MacDonald who has been playing top pairing minutes and doing it pretty well on a pretty bad team.

    He is currently on a super cheap contract(probably best D value for $$ in NHL this season) but is UFA after this season and due for a pretty decent raise.

    He’s probably about equivalent to our Petry and would be a very solid addition to our D corps as long as he re-signed for a decent price.

    Still not that elusive bona-fide top pairing D man but would certainly make us better.

    http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?5984

    I think you have him confused with Andy MacDonald the small but very talented forward that recently retired due to concussion issues.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_McDonald_(ice_hockey)

  124. Lucinius says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Beyond it being my opinion? Not really, but.. the fact we’re 12 points behind where we were last year after 48 games, with only 3 games in hand (which I don’t expect us to win), there is clearly regression, no? Or that we’ve already allowed 22 more goals than we did last year in 3 fewer games. Yes, I know, goaltending has been a fairly massive issue for the Oilers and I’m not trying to downplay its importance (because, well, Dubnyk has shit the bed fairly spectacularly).

    But honestly? What it really boils down to for me is this; I can’t stand watching this team play hockey — they’re boring, in-effective and frustratingly bad at even the basics of hockey. Last year this problem didn’t exist. They sucked, but were far more watchable while doing so.

    I blame the coaching staff largely because its what has stuck out for me. The changes to the special teams have been horrific, the systems play around the blue-lines have been horrendous, the coach refuses to bench some of the worst offenders, and there is no real indication, as I see it, of progress in this team over last year. Well, the defensive zone system is marginally better, but Kruger’s defensive zone system was horrific.

    I never agreed with firing Kruger, because he never really got a chance to do anything with the team beyond a lock-out shortened season that crimped his ability to put his own systems in place, then got fucked over by the new GM (looking for an assistant coach indeed).

    I don’t believe Eakins should be fired now. He should get at least until a quarter of the way through next season. I’m just saying that I don’t believe Eakins was prepared to be the head coach, and Bucky and Steve Smith, imo, should have been jettisoned long ago.

  125. Lowetide says:

    gr8one: the

    gr8one:
    Hey LT,

    I know this is completely off topic but I wanted to share and I guess there’s no place like here.

    Anyways, a few days(a week or two, maybe?) ago someone(can’t remember who) asked you in a thread about required reading and you recommended Behind the Moves. Ofcourse me loving that kind of thing, I looked into buying it myself.

    Since I’m cheap, and couldn’t really stomach dropping a hundred dollars on a book right after Christmas I stumbled upon a private vendor selling a copy on Amazon for ten bucks and immediately ordered it.

    I just now received it in the mail and other than a few small tears on the dust jacket it’s in pretty much mint condition and I must say that I haven’t been this excited to start a book in forever.

    Lastly, I will say that I was initially surprised(annoyed) that I received a “Toronto Maple Leafs Limited Edition” version despite the vendor not stating this in the item description, but upon further review I see that it is actually a numbered limited edition with an autographed foreword from Brian Burke printed on vellum and bound inside.

    I’m obviously not a Leafs fan and even less so a Brian Burke fan but still a pretty serendipitous find, good score for ten bucks!

    Just wanted to say thank you for bringing it to my attention and recommending it, it lead me to a nice little treasure.

    Awesome story. It’s a great book, I just pick it up and let the pages open now. I’ve read it many times but haven’t digested all of it. It’s wonderland. Love that book.

  126. Ontario Oilers Fan says:

    This will never occur, but for the good of the franchise Lowe has to either step down or be fired. Will this happen? One day, yes. He needs to go now. Second thing for the greater good is to have an experienced GM replace the rookie GM. Jacques Martin in. Next an experienced coach: how about Guy Carbonneau? He can fire all the bums on the bench and bring in his staff. Any thoughts? I know the team would get immediately better.

  127. Ducey says:

    gr8one,

    Thanks. I will just shut up now. Never even seen that guy play.

    I still wouldn’t make the trade, though :)

  128. gr8one says:

    Ducey:
    gr8one,

    Thanks.I will just shut up now.Never even seen that guy play.

    I still wouldn’t make the trade, though

    For the record, I don’t think I’d make that trade either, If we’re putting together a significant package I’d hope we aim higher as well, I just thought I’d point out it was a different Andy Mac since I made the same mistake awhile back.

  129. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    http://somekindofninja.com/nhl/usage.php?f1=2013_s&f2=5v5&f3=&f5=NYI&f4=&f7=&bubbleType=corsiRel&yAxis=qoc&update-filters=Update+Results

    Nelson is interesting. I don’t have much interest in MacDonald, but I’d be interested in a more full throated defence of the player.

    You can watch him now, if you like:

    http://firstrownow.eu/watch/231345/9/watch-toronto-maple-leafs-vs-new-york-islanders.html

  130. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Willis does similar WOWY run on Belov that I looked couple of days ago:

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/01/07/russian-olympian-anton-belov-expected-to-be-a-healthy-scratch-for-the-edmonton-oilers-vs-st-louis-blues/

    I think we’ve let the narrative on the player outstrip the performance to some extent.

    That said, I don’t have a real problem with Belov sitting for a couple of games if — as Eakins claims — he’s run down a bit and the GM/Coach want a longer look at Hunt.

    He should be back in by next game for sure though.

  131. stevezie says:

    Melman:
    Ducey,

    I think he meant Andrew MacDonald on the the Isle’s D…but he’s a 6′ 180 lbs D who isn’t going to solve the problem of us getting pushed around by the big boys out west

    Yeah but he’s good, right? Also he fits into Eakins’ idea of how D-men should play (he looks like a vastly superior Larsen).

    Again, this all depends on price, but if he can be got then he would improve this team.

    I don’t see one trade fixing this, I think we get better by degrees. Take every improvement you can. When perron was acquired the skeptics said he was more of what we already had and did not address our needs. These points were largely true, but it is clear we are a much better team because of that trade.

    If this team had 6 Petrys we would still get pushed around by St Louis, but we would win a helluva lot more games than we do now.

  132. sliderule says:

    Before the fight er game begins it’s time for the weight in.

    In this corner er end we have in the blue trunks the blues at just under 208 lbs forwards and defence.

    In the other corner we have in the copper trunks the oilers averaging forwards 196 lbs defence 192 lbs.

    Now if this was a boxing match the promotor and commissioner who sanctioned it would be suspended.

  133. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    sliderule,

    But what are their shoe sizes?

  134. gr8one says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    sliderule,

    But what are their shoe sizes?

    It doesn’t matter as long as their skates aren’t white.

  135. Ontario Oilers Fan says:

    Three easy steps for the Oilers’ transformation into a winner:
    Fire Kevin Lowe, hire Mike Keenan.
    Fire MacT, hire Jacques Martin.
    Fire Eakins, hire Guy Carbonneau.

  136. VanOil says:

    Dregger repeating that Gagner is being shopped

  137. russ99 says:

    I’m a bit more concerned at the direction of the Oilers after hearing Lowe’s comments today.

    What we need is a plan to compete, and their plan seems to be to acquire size and turn us into a Coyotes/Predators type team.

    If so, we’ve really gone off the rails…

    It should be easier than that. We don’t need to copycat grindier teams.

    We need a reliable younger goalie, 2-3 solid veteran defenseman with some upside to teach Marincin, Klefbom and Nurse; quality big defensive wingers to pair with Gordon to make a shutdown line and a two-way center to replace Gagner. And of course some upgrades to the coaching staff, like an offensive-oriented associate coach and two new assistants that Eakins (or the new coach) hand picks, and who never played with Gretzky.

  138. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    LeBrun mentions RK’s value to Babcock and Co.

    He’s been mentioned a lot today… his field reports must be really impressive. He may have found his niche. awesome for him!

    ———
    Dreger said something like: “no question Oilers are shopping Gagner; ask is top 6 forward, top 4 D, or starting G”

    MacT is shooting for the moon!

    Good.

  139. Woodguy says:

    gr8one:
    Hey LT,

    I know this is completely off topic but I wanted to share and I guess there’s no place like here.

    Anyways, a few days(a week or two, maybe?) ago someone(can’t remember who) asked you in a thread about required reading and you recommended Behind the Moves. Ofcourse me loving that kind of thing, I looked into buying it myself.

    Since I’m cheap, and couldn’t really stomach dropping a hundred dollars on a book right after Christmas I stumbled upon a private vendor selling a copy on Amazon for ten bucks and immediately ordered it.

    I just now received it in the mail and other than a few small tears on the dust jacket it’s in pretty much mint condition and I must say that I haven’t been this excited to start a book in forever.

    Lastly, I will say that I was initially surprised(annoyed) that I received a “Toronto Maple Leafs Limited Edition” version despite the vendor not stating this in the item description, but upon further review I see that it is actually a numbered limited edition with an autographed foreword from Brian Burke printed on vellum and bound inside.

    I’m obviously not a Leafs fan and even less so a Brian Burke fan but still a pretty serendipitous find, good score for ten bucks!

    Just wanted to say thank you for bringing it to my attention and recommending it, it lead me to a nice little treasure.

    Nice score!

    Must of just fell of the truck that morning.

    :)

  140. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: He’s been mentioned a lot today… his field reports must be really impressive. He may have found his niche. awesome for him!

    If I’m an NHL team I’m offering him a scouting position (probably Europe centric).

    He may not take it… might want something more high profile, back in coaching, or back in North America… but he’s also a guy that likes new challenges and it sounds like he’s taken to scouting pretty seriously.

    Based on Babcock’s words… I bet Holland has offered him a job of some sort, or will soon.

    That would be 2 former Oiler coaches on staff… hilarious.

  141. Woodguy says:

    denny33:
    Eric D, of the Globe and Mail took great pains to highlight the players taken will have a high hockey IQ and play a 200 ft. Game.

    As I pointed out early and often, Taylor Hall is a turnover machine and I defy anyone to type the sentenceTaylor Hall plays a 200 ft. Game.

    Eakins has talked about it.

    Analysts have talked about it…HNIC crew being just the latest.

    Other NHL coaches.

    Now, even fans at Rexall grown out loud at his neutral zone passes and turnovers.

    Almost zero chance of him making this team…..probably three guys or more, still ahead of Taylor if injuries do occur.

    Meanwhile, Taylor Hall leads an NHL team mired in 29th place.

    Here’s the 25 NHL players who give away the puck the most:

    Erik Karlsson 61
    Dustin Byfuglien 55
    Niklas Hjalmarsson 51
    Taylor Hall 50
    Cody Franson 48
    Phil Kessel 48
    Drew Doughty 47
    P.K. Subban 45
    Joe Thornton 45
    Andrew MacDonald 43
    Andrei Markov 43
    Jeff Petry 43
    Jason Spezza 43
    Ryan Getzlaf 41
    Alex Goligoski 41
    Carl Gunnarsson 41
    Morgan Rielly 41
    Kevin Bieksa 40
    Jordan Eberle 40
    Mike Green 40
    John Tavares 40
    Jamie Benn 39
    Jake Gardiner 38
    Paul Ranger 38
    Justin Williams 38

    Ya, just fucking awful.

    I want none of those guys on my team.

    Wait a minute……

    I want them all.

    After all guys who have the puck the most are the one who can give it away the most.

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20142ALLSASALL&sort=giveaways&viewName=rtssPlayerStats

  142. gr8one says:

    Woodguy: Nice score!

    Must of just fell of the truck that morning.

    Heh…it actually shipped from a used book store in Detroit, so not surprised it ended up in the $10.00 sell on Amazon pile.

  143. Genjutsu says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Wow that is like 30 posts.

    Less can be more at times.

  144. gr8one says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:

    That would be 2 former Oiler coaches on staff… hilarious.

    To be fair, neither have any Stanley cup rings, so they must know nothing about winning, if that’s a concern.

    What do the Red Wings know about winning?

    BTW, has anyone heard ANYTHING at all about Tambellini? I know he stuck his head up for a millisecond at the draft for his son’s sake, but other than that, anything?

    Has there ever been such a prominent guy disappear so completely, I mean geez, even Milbury found work.

  145. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    gr8one: BTW, has anyone heard ANYTHING at all about Tambellini? I know he stuck his head up for a millisecond at the draft for his son’s sake, but other than that, anything?
    Has there ever been such a prominent guy disappear so completely, I mean geez, even Milbury found work.

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=692517

    Genjutsu:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Wow that is like30 posts.

    Less can be more at times.

    Are we lacking for interwebs space around here?

    It is such a precious commodity, right?

  146. VanOil says:

    Why is the Buffalo v. Carolina game time listed on TSN as PPD? Does this mean postponed due to lack of interest? Or does having hockey weather in Carolina mean they can’t play hockey?

  147. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    VanOil:
    Why is the Buffalo v. Carolina game time listed on TSN as PPD? Does this mean postponed due to lack of interest? Or does having hockey weather in Carolina mean they can’t play hockey?

    Game’s in BUF.

    http://sabres.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=699451&navid=DL|BUF|home

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/sabres-hurricanes-game-postponed-due-to-hazardous-weather-conditions-in-buffalo/article16234755/

    looks like white out conditions. I was looking up Omark today and saw that, tonight would be his 7th game (half way, almost)

    ———
    Chase already with a goal tonight.

  148. gr8one says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=692517

    Cool, thanks…I had no idea.

    I almost didn’t respond to this though, I’m afraid I’m getting close to my interwebz quota for the day.

  149. VanOil says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Thanks for the info. My joke now looks especially foolish. I have been through a lake effect snow bomb in Buffalo it is impressive. Good on Chase, one day I hope to see him on a Oilers team that breaks in the kids as a Piss n Vinegar energy line.

  150. gr8one says:

    *Wonders aloud if Zajac could be had in a swap for Gagner*

    He’d make a pretty good 2C option IMHO, a good ying to Nuge’s yang.

  151. Woodguy says:

    VanOil,

    He also good with the Corgis, nice to small children and stands up to bullies.

    That line is winning the thread so far.

    Well done.

  152. Woodguy says:

    Ducey: Eager was pretty swell 4 years ago for CHI too.I don’t think you can make decisions based on how a player was 4 years and likely 30 lbs ago.I could get behind bringing in Byfuglien but not at the cost of the high 1st rounder.

    Are you talking Andy MacDonald?I think you are drastically undervaluing Gagner and Dubnyk.Nelson looks like someone the Oilers could use, but either of Gagner or Dubnyk straight up should be more than enough to get him.Andy MacDonald isn’t someone this team needs.He is having a better year than Gagner but his career high in points is 27 and he is a small skill forward.I wouldn’t want him.Maybe NYI would take DD and Gagner for Nelson and Griffin Reinhart.

    I think he’s talking about Andrew MacDonald:

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8473584

    Andy MacDonald retired.

    Head injuries are a bitch.

    Also,

    You are old for assuming Andy.

    Time passing is a bitch.

  153. Woodguy says:

    Ducey:
    gr8one,

    Thanks.I will just shut up now.Never even seen that guy play.

    I still wouldn’t make the trade, though

    Oops.

    Problems when you are late to a thread.

    I’m old.

  154. Woodguy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Willis does similar WOWY run on Belov that I looked couple of days ago:

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/01/07/russian-olympian-anton-belov-expected-to-be-a-healthy-scratch-for-the-edmonton-oilers-vs-st-louis-blues/

    I think we’ve let the narrative on the player outstrip the performance to some extent.

    That said, I don’t have a real problem with Belov sitting for a couple of games if — as Eakins claims — he’s run down a bit and the GM/Coach want a longer look at Hunt.

    He should be back in by next game for sure though.

    Nick Shultz doesn’t sit until he’s traded.

    The NHL runs on reputation.

  155. bookje says:

    That McDonald is a great character, he looks like Yosemite Sam with that gigantic red mustache!

  156. delooper says:

    bookje:
    That McDonald is a great character, he looks like Yosemite Sam with that gigantic red mustache!

    I think I’d rather have Hank Williams on the Oilers. Because even if they stunk-out the game, he could play Honkey Tonkin’ and cheer everyone back up.

  157. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy: Nick Shultz doesn’t sit until he’s traded.

    The NHL runs on reputation.

    I play Belov in Hunt’s spot.

  158. Pouzar says:

    VanOil: Buff would be a great addition to the Oilers. I would trade the First round pick for him and ad NSchultz as a sweetener.Those who are concerned he is not a true #1 Dman or elite enough for our precious last in the west forever team. I offer you these skills he would bring:Size to clear the net against the big bad west.PP net front presence that is not going to be moved.Size to disrupt the cycle of even the biggest Western teams (tonight will provide an illustration of this weakness in the Oilers if you missed the SJ lesson)He also good with the Corgis, nice to small children and stands up to bullies.A right side defense core of Buff, Petry, Schultz will allow the Oiler to start bringing along our talented left handed D prospects and provide them some shelter.As Willis states in his article if Buff is available MacT should be first in line. Weighing the magic beans of Ekblad versus the full of beans Buff is no contest as far as I am concerned.

    Vanoil,

    Let me preface by saying:
    1. Not picking on you
    2. I absolutely would love to have Byfuglien on the team as we are putrid offensively from the blue line.
    3. Would love #2 even more if the cost was not prohibitive ( stop with the Eberle for Buff proposals whomever you are).

    So I asked a good friend of mine who is a Jets Season ticket holder to give his assessment of what you point out above as Buffs “skills”. Again…it’s just to point out a narraitve that I see often when it pertains to Buff as being something he’s not becasue he is big physically. So here it is:

    1. Size to clear the net against the big bad west.
    “Absolutely has the size. He is a beast, physically. He simply lacks the aggressiveness to establish his physical dominance. He never EVER plays angry. Ok, that’s not entirely true, I have seen him angry 3 times for a few seconds, and he absolutely demolishes people when he is angry. 3 FUCKING TIMES over 3 seasons!!!”

    2. PP net front presence that is not going to be moved.
    “He’s never there. Maybe if he played forward? Anyway, by the time Buff is anywhere near the front of the net the puck is going the other way on an odd-man rush… likely result: SH chance/goal for opposition.”

    3.Size to disrupt the cycle of even the biggest Western teams (tonight will provide an illustration of this weakness in the Oilers if you missed the SJ lesson)
    “See #1. Of course he has the size… but he plays smaller than every Dman on our team save for Tobi. So, I guess the answer is Yes, if he used it… which he doesn’t… so No. lol”

    4. stands up to bullies.
    “Again, see #1. I’ve seen him angry only a handful of times. He’s a big pussycat. Mark Stuart is our bully handler, which is totally absurd when you have Buff on your team.

    If Buff played angry or had half a chip on his shoulder, he would be a force. But he doesn’t… so he isn’t.”

    That’s from a guy with over 2 and half seasons of home viewing and the most objective person I know. Like I said. I think we could use him but the guy is a pure offensive d-man not that there is anything wrong with that.

  159. Lowetide says:

    I’d trade for him in a heartbeat.

  160. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Chase now 1-1-2 +2

  161. D says:

    Nice play by Hunt there.

  162. D says:

    The Oil looked awful in that last sequence.

  163. Pouzar says:

    Lowetide: I’d trade for him in a heartbeat.

    He would be such a lightening rod here it would make Penner blush.

    I would trade for him with a package around Gagner but that’s as far as I would go.

  164. VanOil says:

    If the Blues are going to win anyways, and it looks like they are so far, I would love to see a Paajarvi hat trick.

  165. VanOil says:

    The ice is Zamboni fresh in the Blues end and being repaired in the Oilers end.

  166. Fixall with Rexall says:

    Wow, St.Louis is just a bunch of monsters that can play. Those cycles are intense. We’re a bad hockey club. They are a good hockey club.

  167. Halfwise says:

    The corgis seem to have legs only on one side.

  168. stevezie says:

    Pouzar,

    I’m sure you are all tired of me repeating myself, but I’m loving it.

    I could care less what Buff’s flaws are, once everything is added up he makes the team better. Let’s not miss the forest for the trees.

  169. Andy P says:

    Pouzar: He would be such a lightening rod here it would make Penner blush.

    I would trade for him with a package around Gagner but that’s as far as I would go.

    It would be hilarious watching Eakins try to get him fit

  170. Lowetide says:

    The corgis are humping Stan Ravandahl in the penalty box.

  171. sliderule says:

    It’s like a midget team playing against a good junior team.

  172. delooper says:

    sliderule:
    It’s like a midget team playing against a good junior team.

    Well, it’s clear which team is “good” and which team is “bad”.

  173. Pouzar says:

    stevezie: Pouzar, I’m sure you are all tired of me repeating myself, but I’m loving it.I could care less what Buff’s flaws are, once everything is added up he makes the team better. Let’s not miss the forest for the trees.

    I think you need to re-read my post. Just pointing out what he isn’t. Offense from the blue line has value especially on this team and I am all for it.

  174. Oilanderp says:

    Shitty call on Nultz. 0-1.

  175. D says:

    Here we go. The dam has broken. . .

  176. Rebilled says:

    We need to sign Stewart in the off season.

  177. JonyPro says:

    Marcinin and Hunt aren’t looking too bad at least. Unload Shultz the Elder!

  178. VanOil says:

    Gazdic is becoming a less horrible hockey player as the year goes on.

  179. Pouzar says:

    I’m sure Schultz Sr. is a nice guy but jezzuz just go away

  180. Oilanderp says:

    Late PK

    *squeezes stick*

  181. jp says:

    VanOil:
    Gazdic is becoming a less horrible hockey player as the year goes on.

    It’s undeniable. He’ll never be “good” but less bad appears to be occurring.

  182. Oilanderp says:

    According to the FOX sports Blues feed, Bryzgalov isn’t having a good year with a .897 sv%. I say we trade our young stars for a goalie who will come in and post the same mediocre sv% given the porous team defence in front of him.

  183. stevezie says:

    Pouzar,

    You win this round.

  184. Gerta Rauss says:

    We should thank the baby jesus we’re only down 1-0

  185. Fixall with Rexall says:

    Oilanderp,

    I think that’s his Save Percentage all time vs the Blues wasn’t it?

  186. Pouzar says:

    stevezie: Pouzar, You win this round.

    Just a Blind Squirrel Steve :P

  187. Oilanderp says:

    I think Eakins should institute the ‘Greek Phalanx Shield’ PK technique. Everyone stands in a circle with arms interlocked 1′ in front of the goal line, goalie in the middle. Sure, zone time would be a bitch but I bet they wouldn’t score. Also, I’m opening an ‘advanced hockey padding’ store in Edmonton.

  188. Fixall with Rexall says:

    I like the artwork Bryzgalov put on his mask from his kids. Great idea.

  189. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    These guys are morons… but that analysis probably isn’t far off from the one that happened in the Hockey Canada room.

  190. OilClog says:

    These sportsnet guys are brutal, if they believe his first few weeks were so bad he couldn’t recover from them.. What games have they been watching? Or do they just look at final scores? Lol ugly

  191. Oilanderp says:

    Brian Elliot is such a bad goalie. I have many stats to not support this.

  192. RexLibris says:

    I went to ES to check the stats after the first period and it recommended I watch the Conklin Cough-Up instead as it was likely to be less painful.

  193. jp says:

    Yeah!!!!!!

  194. Lowetide says:

    YAK-OOO-POV!!!

  195. delooper says:

    Blistering shot!

  196. Rebilled says:

    Beauty!

  197. Genjutsu says:

    Yak!

  198. Oilanderp says:

    Never mind, he is Jennings trophy material.

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