LUCKY 13?

The 2013 Oilers draft is tracking well six months after, with the club’s top prospect having an impressive final tour through junior and several scorers impacting things offensively. It’s too early to grade the group, but the arrows are solid to very good so far.

  • #7 overall Darnell Nurse 45gp, 10-30-40.  Pronman had him #8 on his top 50 NHL prospects, saying “he wasn’t chosen to be on Canada’s team for the WJC, but I don’t think that is indicative of where Nurse is as an NHL prospect — he brings a ton to the table. He’s big, mean, a great skater and is pretty effective in both ends of the rink. His decisions aren’t always perfect and his shot could be a little better, but he’s a top-end prospect.” His NHLE is 82gp, 5-17-22.
  • #56 overall Marco Roy 17gp, 5-13-18. He began the season 8, 2-11-13 and has gone 9, 3-2-5 since. That’s a concern, but he’s had some injury troubles (he looks like Pouliot, the hockey Gods may not be able to resist) so a strong and healthy second half is a must. NHLE is 82gp, 6-17-23.
  • #83 overall Bogdan Yakimov 33gp, 7-5-12. Good arrows here, MacT was raving about him around the WJ’s and his NHLE is 82gp, 14-9-23. I think he’ll sign in summer and play for the Barons next season, with an eye to being a regular in 2015-16.
  • #88 overall Anton Slepyshev 29gp, 3-4-7. His high water mark came at the World Juniors, where he looked dangerous most of the time and skated miles. Slepyshev has another year on his contract and really there’s no hurry (Oilers are loaded on the wings) for him. A nice player, I don’t think we can count him as an up arrow—his NHLE is 82gp, 7-8-15.
  • #94 overall Jackson Houck 43gp, 24-15-39. PF had a miserable start to the season but is 6-4-10 in his last 8 games. Houck’s 21 even strength goals are an outstanding total, I think that’s a terrific number for this time of year. NHLE is  82gp, 12-7-19.
  • #96 overall Kyle Platzer 43gp, 10-11-21. Platzer enjoyed a strong start to the season but when the big guns came back from NHL camps he was pushed down the depth chart. A deadline trade sent him to Owen Sound, where he’s 4gp, 1-3-4 with the Attack.
  • #113 overall Aidan Muir 31gp, 8-11-19. Interesting  player, he’s 1-1-2 on the PP so these are mostly even strength numbers (he also has a shorthanded goal). He scored an instant classic goal that got a lot of attention and may be a player—we’ll find out in the following seasons.
  • #128 overall Evan Campbell 16gp, 1-0-1. Scored a goal since we last checked on him, Campbell turns 21 in March and would seem to be off off Broadway at this point in his development. We’ll keep a light on.
  • #158 overall Ben Betker 46gp, 4-9-13. The best news about this fellow is that despite size (6.05 200) people keep wanting to talk about his mobility. That’s a helluva deal, it really is, even at this point. If he’s big and can skate well, Betker has a future. That was pretty much Matt Greene’s resume, as an example.
  • #188 overall Greg Chase 45gp, 25-25-50.  He began like a house on fire (23gp, 14-11-25) and the house remains on fire (22gp, 11-14-25) despite losing playing time to players acquired. I’m not certain he is playing a feature role on the powerplay, but his 18 EV goals are a very strong number. Could be the biggest draft steal since Brodziak, if Gernat doesn’t beat him to it. NHLE is 82gp, 11-12-23, tying him with Roy and Yakimov as the best offensive forwards taken (this is based on the Vollman NHLE, he grades the OHL as being stronger than the other two junior leagues).

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  1. hunter1909 says:

    #88 overall Anton Slepyshev

    #83 overall Bogdan Yakimov

    With Yakupov being ritually slaughtered by Chicken Hawk Dallas, this pretty well means forget about Russians, in that old timey coach MacT vs Mikhnov way.

    Of course oiler’s record over their past 19 games under Chicken Hawk Dallas is a sparkling:

    WINS 4
    LOSSES 12
    OTL 3
    GOALS FOR 43
    GOALS AGAINST 73

    So no worries about him getting canned, hopefully.

    Note to Oiler’s afraid of meeting the mean scary Canucks: just remember to let the Nucks control the game from the first period, it should lull them to sleep provided they aren’t feeling threatened by any kind of serious gamesmanship from the oilers. Still, look out for the odd renegade hit from any Nuck with a major penalty this season.

  2. Thiru says:

    Early days, but I’m excited about all of Nurse, Yakimov, Slepyshev, Roy, and Chase.

    I could see this draft producing 4 good NHLers.

  3. Woodguy says:

    Houck intrigues me as a prospect as he comes near the 1pt/gm 1pim/gm type player.

    Hits, fights, scores.

    If he can skate he’ll get every opportunity with the Oilers.

  4. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    Houck intrigues me as a prospect as he comes near the 1pt/gm 1pim/gm type player.

    Hits, fights, scores.

    If he can skate he’ll get every opportunity with the Oilers.

    Plus the EV goal total, WG. That’s a monster.

  5. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: Plus the EV goal total, WG. That’s a monster.

    Good point.

    Might be a player.

    Its all about his skating at this point.

  6. Colieo87 says:

    Pos Age Team GP G A P PIM +/- TOI-TOT
    Zidlicky, Marek » D 36 NJD 49 8 17 25 46 4 21.76
    MacDonald, Andrew » D 27 NYI 50 3 19 22 32 -3 25.88
    Gilbert, Tom » D 31 FLA 48 2 16 18 12 -3 21.07
    Russell, Kris » D 26 CGY 36 4 12 16 6 1 23.66
    Morris, Derek » D 35 PHX 36 4 11 15 29 0 20.71
    Phillips, Chris » D 35 OTT 46 1 12 13 18 -3 20.04
    Corvo, Joe » D 36 OTT 25 3 7 10 10 -7 17.52
    Hainsey, Ron » D 32 CAR 47 3 7 10 12 -11 21.20
    Butler, Chris » D 27 CGY 49 2 6 8 27 -17 19.86
    Tallinder, Henrik » D 35 BUF 34 2 4 6 20 -12 19.34
    Stuart, Mark » D 29 WPG 37 2 4 6 55 1 17.05
    Belov, Anton » D 27 EDM 43 1 5 6 30 -11 17.94
    Robidas, Stephane » D 36 DAL 24 4 1 5 12 7 19.92
    Pardy, Adam » D 29 WPG 28 0 5 5 26 6 14.05
    Klesla, Rostislav » D 31 PHX 25 1 3 4 24 -3 15.51
    Fayne, Mark » D 26 NJD 40 1 2 3 14 0 18.02
    Martinek, Radek » D 37 NYI 11 0 3 3 4 -1 15.78
    Potter, Corey » D 30 EDM 12 0 3 3 21 -1 13.91
    Schultz, Nick » D 31 EDM 49 0 3 3 22 -16 16.68
    Gilroy, Matt » D 29 FLA 16 1 1 2 6 -2 16.25
    Weaver, Mike » D 35 FLA 44 0 2 2 17 -14 18.68
    Fortunus, Maxime » D 30 DAL 1 0 1 1 0 1 16.28
    Grebeshkov, Denis » D 30 EDM 7 0 1 1 2 0 13.69
    Sulzer, Alexander » D 29 BUF 13 0 1 1 4 -2 19.11
    Smith, Derek » D 29 CGY 14 0 1 1 2 -10 9.53
    Piskula, Joe » D 29 NAS 2 0 0 0 0 1 12.18
    Whitney, Ryan » D 30 FLA 6 0 0 0 4 -7 16.11
    Mottau, Mike » D 35 FLA 7 0 0 0 4 -2 13.20
    Komisarek, Mike » D 32 CAR 14 0 0 0 4 -1 11.61

    All free agent defense men this year, oilers management has some soul searching

  7. Brackenburied says:

    LT, does Yak Too project to be 2C or is he more 3/4?

  8. Survioil says:

    I think Chase, from what I understand , will fit in with MacT’s plan of surrounding the golden boys with some talented ruffians but having only heard but not seen the kid – I don’t know if his offensive can play a supporting role in the top six or bottom six plus his timeline doesn’t coincide with immediate help for 4 – 6 slots.

    The “power forward now” may have to come via the infamous 3 to 1 swap but we also need 1 and 2 slot defensemen so maybe the 9 to 3 EA NHL14 trade but more likely a mixture of signing F/A , small offensive forwards out and magic oiler jumping beans.

    My head and heart hurts just thinking about the mess..heh, heh, .my, my

  9. Pouzar says:

    I think we are going to hit on this next wave of prospects so we become heavier and more difficult to play against. I hope we can somehow convince Nelson to stay in OKC so we can develop these guys.

    Now…regarding yesterday…I was directly behind the Oiler bench and it wasn’t pretty.

    This team is dead. Nobody talks to one another(except Ryan Smyth). Smyth is the only guy on the bench talking to the players. Everyone else is dear in the headlights. I saw more bench chatter at a beer league game.

    Keith Acton talks to no one. I saw him whisper to Eakins once or twice and thats it. Buchberger talked to his wrist a couple times probably ordering pizza. And Steve Smith barely moved and talked in between periods a bit.

    This is a soul-less team right now.

  10. Lowetide says:

    Brackenburied:
    LT, does Yak Too project to be 2C or is he more 3/4?

    I think they see him as a big two-way guy with enough skill to play above third line.

  11. hunter1909 says:

    Pouzar: I was directly behind the Oiler bench and it wasn’t pretty.

    At what point do you think it becomes a Head Coach accountability issue?

  12. denny33 says:

    Pouzar,

    Very much Agreed.

    Not seen OIlers live in a while….and to the people that just watch on TV.

    1. Sam Gagner is WAY worse away from the puck than I ever dreamed. Not much more you can say – offence has nothing to do with this critique. Very much sobered to what the value of this player is. Tons of little plays that scream out against Sam.

    Not trying to pile on – but Sam Gagner kind of epitomizes the Oilers for me….

    2. Said about the Wild game – and in person there was NO life to the Oilers at all. None. Save for Ebs. Gordon & Hendrickson still blocking shots.

    3 Seeing some defend J Petry with numbers is like watching the Oilers dress Ryan Whitney last year – painful.

    Eg. Loses corner battle to Mark Scheifle – called Bambi by his own fans.

    4. David Perron – tell me he has not geared down with puck battles. ( why would I fight like a dog for pucks – when nobody else does? )

    5. Taylor Hall – Quit on the coach or just quit on the season – shell of a player.

    This will be a difficult last stretch of the season to watch.

    1. Seeing what Mac T can get for useless parts at the deadline. ( someone may want Ryan Jones as a depth forward for a playoff run ) Don’t like the player but his effort cannot be questioned and a few people think he is auditioning.

    2, Ekblad, trade or a centre this will be the most interesting part of the next 5 months.

  13. Pouzar says:

    hunter1909: At what point do you think it becomes a Head Coach accountability issue?

    I dunno…I think Dallas was kinda hung to dry a bit with Smith and Buchberger being retained.

  14. denny33 says:

    denny33,

    Quick add that is obvious…

    Nick Schultz got walked by heavyweight enforcer Pelusso – like Whitney last year – this is officially embarrassing for the player. I think it is best if the club were to ask Nick to pull a hamstring and be with his family. Great career – solid D-man in his day.

  15. Surly says:

    Pouzar:
    I was directly behind the Oiler bench and it wasn’t pretty.

    Thank you for the insight Pouzar. Does anyone have any comparative comments (i.e. sat directly behind the bench of what would be considered a strong team?) If so…what did you see? I’ve never sat close enough to get this perspective (I am a tier 1 fan but of the colonnade variety).

    I want to see more of this!

    http://i.imgur.com/H3RdVzm.gif

  16. Pouzar says:

    Another self serving observation…stop with the Eberle trade proposals. The kid is instant offense and one player that can score all by himself (Hemsky the other). He creates sh!t out of nothing and always makes that little sublime pass that no one here seems to notice or give him credit for. He is sneaky fast too. He was also the only guy outside of Hendricks with a smile on his face.

    Poor Perron, you can tell he is a good solider but would love to be somewhere else.

    Bogdan and company can’t get here fast enough.

  17. KSC10032 says:

    hunter1909,

    While I appreciate your comments as much — or sometimes more — than anyone, the connotations and implications of your new nickname for Eakins strike me as a bit over the top.

    Whether you like his approach to young players, (Yakupov), or not, they are hardly pedophiliac.

    Perhaps a less offensive perjorative could be utilized?

  18. doritogrande says:

    Lowetide: Plus the EV goal total, WG. That’s a monster.

    Said some very smart people about Tyler Pitlick, once upon a time about his Draft +1 year.. If you’re not a top-end guy you’ve got to have a second or third “plus skill” to get you noticed. If Houck can also bring some assholery then he’s got a chance.

    What’s the deal with Nurse’s eligibility next season? Is he in the same boat as Peckham was once upon a time where he’s old enough to go to the AHL next year? And would that also make him ineligible for the U20s?

  19. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy:
    Houck intrigues me as a prospect as he comes near the 1pt/gm 1pim/gm type player.

    Hits, fights, scores.

    If he can skate he’ll get every opportunity with the Oilers.

    The other thing about Houck is that last year esp. the Giants were brutally bad. This year they are mediocre. So, it’s not like he’s playing with a bunch of crazy talent.

    ————
    On Campbell… I’m near ready to suggest that’s a wasted pick. Overage College players… you might as well wait and see if they turn out and chase the good ones in free agency.

  20. hunter1909 says:

    KSC10032,

    To tell you the truth I used that nickname as a result of Loony Tunes, where the rooster Foghorn Leghorn encounters a tiny jumped up chickenhawk with mucho mirth ensuing as the rooster deals with the upstart.

    Eakins entered training camp with the same attitude, imo.

    Since the oilers have become the virtual Dante’s Inferno of NHL fandom, ironies and double entendres increasingly become the order of the day instead of anomalies, so in light of your wise thought I’ll happily stfu.

  21. hunter1909 says:

    justDOit,

    Yikes.

  22. Woodguy says:

    hunter1909: At what point do you think it becomes a Head Coach accountability issue?

    Probably the second the head coach has a 1st pairing D to deploy.

  23. Woodguy says:

    hunter1909:
    KSC10032,

    To tell you the truth I used that nickname as a result of Loony Tunes, where the rooster Foghorn Leghorn encounters a tiny jumped up chickenhawk with mucho mirth ensuing as the rooster deals with the upstart.

    Eakins entered training camp with the same attitude, imo.

    Since the oilers have become the virtual Dante’s Inferno of NHL fandom, ironies and double entendres increasingly become the order of the day instead of anomalies, so in light of your wise thought I’ll happily stfu.

    Oh, don’t stfu Hunter.

    Just find a different nickhame.
    :)

  24. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Yowsa. I just learned something too.

    Back in the day some folks used to call Gretzky the Chicken Hawk for the way he stole pucks. It was meant as a compliment.

    Can’t be too careful these days, so many words have been seconded by urbandictionary.com.

  25. book¡je says:

    Woodguy – I won’t tell you what the urban dictionary has as a definition for Woodguy.

  26. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Pouzar: This is a soul-less team right now.

    Thanks for your insights, Pouzar. That corroborates to some degree what little one sees on TV or from higher up in the stands. It certainly corresponds to what this observer has been seeing on the ice of late. Dead team skating. (and not very fast)

    Glad to hear Smytty is carrying the flag. Doesn’t know how or when to quit.

    This team could use a Jaroslav Pouzar!

  27. Woodguy says:

    book¡je:
    Woodguy – I won’t tell you what the urban dictionary has as a definition for Woodguy.

    Its open for definition as of now.

    I expect someone reading this thread to write something about a pedantic blowhard.

  28. Bruce McCurdy says:

    book¡je:
    Woodguy – I won’t tell you what the urban dictionary has as a definition for Woodguy.

    Made me look!

  29. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Thanks for your insights, Pouzar.

    Thanks too to denny33. Where were you sitting?

  30. Woodguy says:

    doritogrande: Said some very smart people about Tyler Pitlick, once upon a time about his Draft +1 year.. If you’re not a top-end guy you’ve got to have a second or third “plus skill” to get you noticed. If Houck can also bring some assholery then he’s got a chance.

    What’s the deal with Nurse’s eligibility next season? Is he in the same boat as Peckham was once upon a time where he’s old enough to go to the AHL next year? And would that also make him ineligible for the U20s?

    What’s the exact age rule?

    20 at the start of the hockey season or anytime during the year or something else?

  31. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: Its open for definition as of now.

    I expect someone reading this thread to write something about a pedantic blowhard.

    Well, certainly “blow” should be in it. :-)

  32. Woodguy says:

    doritogrande: Said some very smart people about Tyler Pitlick, once upon a time about his Draft +1 year.. If you’re not a top-end guy you’ve got to have a second or third “plus skill” to get you noticed. If Houck can also bring some assholery then he’s got a chance.

    What’s the deal with Nurse’s eligibility next season? Is he in the same boat as Peckham was once upon a time where he’s old enough to go to the AHL next year? And would that also make him ineligible for the U20s?

    Darnell turns 19 in Feb.

    He’ll be 19 all year, so regardless of the nuance of the rule, its going to be OHL or NHL.

  33. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: Well, certainly “blow” should be in it.

    Look what I’ve started.

  34. KSC10032 says:

    hunter1909:
    KSC10032,

    To tell you the truth I used that nickname as a result of Loony Tunes, where the rooster Foghorn Leghorn encounters a tiny jumped up chickenhawk with mucho mirth ensuing as the rooster deals with the upstart.

    Eakins entered training camp with the same attitude, imo.

    Since the oilers have become the virtual Dante’s Inferno of NHL fandom, ironies and double entendres increasingly become the order of the day instead of anomalies, so in light of your wise thought I’ll happily stfu.

    Fair enough then. It’s just that the term has taken on a more sinister meaning these days.

    I’m even older than LT, so I, too, am a big Looney Tunes fan. And I don’t appreciate Eakins’ public calling out aspect of coaching either. So we are in agreement there.

  35. "Steve Smith" says:

    I always thought “chicken hawk” referred to politicians who were hawk-ish, but who had never themselves served (or had children serve, etc.); I associate it with the Vietnam era. I guess it didn’t mean what I thought it meant.

    I had no idea what Hunter meant by it, but that’s not necessarily unusual.

  36. Lois Lowe says:

    I don’t know why everyone keeps praising the jobs Nelson has been doing in OKC. He’s done a reasonable job developing some prospects, but I don’t really get how he’d be an upgrade on Eakins. His OKC team with with the wunderkinds last season was average, and he doesn’t have the Barons in the playoffs as of today. I don’t really see another NHL team swooping in and making him an NHL head coach. There was completely different hype around Cooper, Boudreau, and Eakins before they got their shot in the big show.

  37. Woodguy says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    After yesterday’s debacle, some comic relief seemed appropriate.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1268287-2011-12-nhl-season-review-is-jeff-petry-as-good-a-defenceman-as-drew-doughty

    Is it time for the annual “Let’s railroad our best players out of town” already?

  38. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I thought chickenhawk was some unholy Island of Dr. Moreau type creation: a mostly flightless bird of prey.

    “Are we not fowl?”

  39. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Woodguy: Is it time for the annual “Let’s railroad our best players out of town” already?

    Already…?

    Thus it ever was.

  40. Lowetide says:

    Lois Lowe:
    I don’t know why everyone keeps praising the jobs Nelson has been doing in OKC. He’s done a reasonable job developing some prospects, but I don’t really get how he’d be an upgrade on Eakins. His OKC team with with the wunderkinds last season was average, and he doesn’t have the Barons in the playoffs as of today. I don’t really see another NHL team swooping in and making him an NHL head coach. There was completely different hype around Cooper, Boudreau, and Eakins before they got their shot in the big show.

    Nelson’s won-loss record this season is well off previous levels, but that’s a reflection of MacT’s new “prospect first” development template. We can’t view Nelson’s record this season as being a failure, and in each previous season the Barons were good hockey teams.

  41. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: What do you make of Eakins’ comments yesterday:

    http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=540351&catid=4

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/edmonton-oilers/Concussion+protocol+keeps+Nail+Yakupov/9401938/story.html

    “We used it in the video today (Friday) to show the players that all the teams are promoting back pressure and the forwards coming back hard aren’t pulling up. They’re looking to steal the puck or if a player turns up or gets stalled, they’ll hit you. It’s not a place to stop or stickhandle because somebody’s coming from the other side.”

    given what you wrote here:

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/01/17/dallas-eakins-has-martin-marincins-back-nail-yakupov-not-so-much-edmonton-oilers/

    From yesterday, sorry I didn’t answer during the game.

    Yes there is a hockey lesson to be learned from that play. I don’t mind Eakins stressing that. I do mind that after the game he singled that mistake out among the many that were committed on that goal alone, or that he picked that goal as being the key one among the four his team coughed up. That a player sustained a head injury on the play and all that he got was (anonymous) criticism from the coach pissed me right off, to be frank. It was what Eakins didn’t say that had me more PO’d than what he did.

    Yesterday there was a very similar play with Matt Hendricks of all people, pulling up in the neutral zone on the Winnipeg side of centre, not dumping it in but looking around for a pass, holding it, and wham! Down he went, and back went the Jets the other way. No goal ensued, and Hendricks didn’t get concussed, so I daresay it went out with the bath water without any comments from the esteemed coach about poor decision making.

    I’ve got nothing at all against Hendricks, I like most of what I’ve seen to this point, but if someone’s going to take chances trying to create a play I’d rather it be Nail Yakupov than Matt Hendricks, thank you.

  42. gvblackhawk says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Thanks for your insights, Pouzar. That corroborates to some degree what little one sees on TV or from higher up in the stands. It certainly corresponds to what this observer has been seeing on the ice of late. Dead team skating. (and not very fast)

    Glad to hear Smytty is carrying the flag. Doesn’t know how or when to quit.

    This team could use a Jaroslav Pouzar!

    This team could use an enema.

  43. Bag of Pucks says:

    Woodguy: Is it time for the annual “Let’s railroad our best players out of town” already?

    I think people with a sense of humour can appreciate an article suggesting Jeff Petry might be better than Drew Doughty. Clearly you’re not one of those people. Woodguy is literal I guess…

    With this team being as bad as it is, I think it’s a healthy exercise to look for a lighter moment now and then.

  44. Lois Lowe says:

    Lowetide,

    He has also had very veteran laden teams that should do well. This is the first season where it’s been the rookie parade for him. I think he’s a good AHL coach and has shown that he can develop talent, but that’s exactly what Eakins’ strength was supposed to be.

  45. Lowetide says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Lowetide,

    He has also had very veteran laden teams that should do well. This is the first season where it’s been the rookie parade for him. I think he’s a good AHL coach and has shown that he can develop talent, but that’s exactly what Eakins’ strength was supposed to be.

    Yeah, I’m not comparing them, or suggesting they first Eakins and bring in Nelson, but the fact remains OKC was a very good AHL team before this season.

  46. Pouzar says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Thanks for your insights, Pouzar. That corroborates to some degree what little one sees on TV or from higher up in the stands. It certainly corresponds to what this observer has been seeing on the ice of late. Dead team skating. (and not very fast) Glad to hear Smytty is carrying the flag. Doesn’t know how or when to quit. This team could use a Jaroslav Pouzar!

    You are welcome. The epiotme of “going through the motions”.

  47. book¡je says:

    Woodguy: Is it time for the annual “Let’s railroad our best players out of town” already?

    I hear Petry’s wife is pretentious and thinks Edmonton is full of hillbillies.

  48. Woodguy says:

    Bag of Pucks: I think people with a sense of humour can appreciate an article suggesting Jeff Petry might be better than Drew Doughty. Clearly you’re not one of those people. Woodguy is literal I guess…

    With this team being as bad as it is, I think it’s a healthy exercise to look for a lighter moment now and then.

    I’ll give you that.

    As for lighter moments see the link to CnB I posted.

    Also,

    I liked your take in the “what’s wrong thread” kids need to grow up and inmates can’t run the asylum.

    That being said, this team is a top pairing D and 2C away from having Hall say “fuck it, trade me”

    If they don’t add real NHLers soon (by next Oct) and at least 3 of them, this will not end well.

  49. gvblackhawk says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Lowetide,

    He has also had very veteran laden teams that should do well. This is the first season where it’s been the rookie parade for him. I think he’s a good AHL coach and has shown that he can develop talent, but that’s exactly what Eakins’ strength was supposed to be.

    I think one of the most important differences between Eakins and Nelson is in the way they deal with their players. Nelson commands respect; Eakins demands respect. I don’t believe that players necessarily have to like their coach, but they must respect what comes out of his mouth in order to have success. Scotty Bowman was a prime example of this. Ken Hitchcock and Darryl Sutter are modern day examples. I’m not sure if it is too late for Eakins with the current group, but it is obvious that he is not getting the most out of them.

  50. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    gvblackhawk: I think one of the most important differences between Eakins and Nelson is in the way they deal with their players.Nelson commands respect; Eakins demands respect.I don’t believe that players necessarily have to like their coach, but they must respect what comes out of his mouth in order to have success.Scotty Bowman was a prime example of this.Ken Hitchcock and Darryl Sutter are modern day examples.I’m not sure if it is too late for Eakins with the current group, but it is obvious that he is not getting the most out of them.

    With the caveat that everything you say may very well be true…

    … how can we know these things?

  51. gvblackhawk says:

    Woodguy,

    AT LEAST 3 players without question, Woodguy. The three obvious ones (top 2 D and a 2C) plus two more wingers for the third line who can help drive play. Something like a Moss and Kulemin (or equivalent). Ryan Garbutt might be another target. It’s going to take a massive overpay in the UFA market to get it done.

  52. Lowetide says:

    gvblackhawk:
    Woodguy,

    AT LEAST 3 players without question, Woodguy.The three obvious ones (top 2 D and a 2C) plus two more wingers for the third line who can help drive play.Something like a Moss and Kulemin (or equivalent).Ryan Garbutt might be another target.It’s going to take a massive overpay in the UFA market to get it done.

    The Oilers are going to have to re-set things. I think we could see them trade off a winger and a defenseman to do it, say Eberle and Petry or Perron and Justin Schultz.

    They need to add a veteran center, a left handed defender who can play 25 minutes and in all three disciplines, and for me a goaltender to tandem with Scrivens.

    I’ll say we see 10 new players next fall when all is said and done.

  53. theres oil in virginia says:

    KSC10032: Whether you like his approach to young players, (Yakupov), or not, they are hardly pedophiliac.

    Sometimes I’m happy to learn new things about the world, other times I’m happy I live in seclusion.

    hunter1909: To tell you the truth I used that nickname as a result of Loony Tunes, where the rooster Foghorn Leghorn encounters a tiny jumped up chickenhawk with mucho mirth ensuing as the rooster deals with the upstart.

    The chicken hawk in Looney Tunes is apparently named “Henery Hawk”:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henery_Hawk

    Apparently, his first name was “The Squawkin’ Hawk”.

  54. gvblackhawk says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: With the caveat that everything you say may very well be true…

    … how can we know these things?

    Only with the emperical evidence provided at this point. The way that the coaches handle the players (communication with the players, double standards, accountability, discussing individuals strengths or weakness with the media vs. private conversation), how he handles his coaching/support staff, and the ability of the coach to get maximum performance from the players.

    The players will go to war for Nelson or Krueger. There is very little indication that they will do that for Eakins. There is, however, a growing concern that they have tuned him out — similar to what happened to Tortarella last year in New York. Only the players and MacTavish will know during the exit interviews at season’s end.

  55. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy: Is it time for the annual “Let’s railroad our best players out of town” already?

    Sic semper stultus.

  56. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy,

    A friend of mine has been suggesting the Oilers try to move Eberle for Couturier, as was rumoured months ago, in order to address the 2C spot.

    I’ve been resistant to that idea because of the seemingly imminent departure of Hemsky and the ongoing struggles/alienation of Yakupov.

    However, does that seem to you like a prudent option this off-season? In terms of need, I believe it to be.

  57. gvblackhawk says:

    Lowetide: The Oilers are going to have to re-set things. I think we could see them trade off a winger and a defenseman to do it, say Eberle and Petry or Perron and Justin Schultz.

    They need to add a veteran center, a left handed defender who can play 25 minutes and in all three disciplines, and for me a goaltender to tandem with Scrivens.

    I’ll say we see 10 new players next fall when all is said and done.

    You are probably closer to the number when you say ten new players. When you consider trades and another goalie, that does seem more accurate. As much as many Oilers fans don’t want to consider it, management is going to have to trade value (Eberle, Perron, Yakupov, Justin Schultz, Petry, the 1st round pick) in order to get something substantial in return. The rest of the holes will have to be over pays in the UFA market.

    I’m sure if he doesn’t re-sign with Nashville, David Legwand will be the obvious target for 2C. There are lots of goaltending options available to provide a respectable tandem with Ben Scrivens (Hiller, Halak, Elliott, Greiss, Peters to name a few).

  58. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    gvblackhawk: Only with the emperical evidence provided at this point.The way that the coaches handle the players (communication with the players, double standards, accountability, discussing individuals strengths or weakness with the media vs. private conversation), how he handles his coaching/support staff,and the ability of the coach to get maximum performance from the players.

    The players will go to war for Nelson or Krueger.There is very little indication that they will do that for Eakins.There is, however, a growing concern that they have tuned him out — similar to what happened to Tortarella last year in New York.Only the players and MacTavish will know during the exit interviews at season’s end.

    It’s really a stretch to claim any of the above as empirical evidence.

    It is certainly not empirical evidence of the claims you are making.

  59. denny33 says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Thanks Bruce.

    Agreed with your take on Hendricks as well…

    Row 12 in corner…..apologies if this is a repeat- lots of oilers fans in the building. Small chant of let’s go Oilers got going….crowd soon ended that with jets chant.

  60. hunter1909 says:

    theres oil in virginia: Apparently, his first name was “The Squawkin’ Hawk”.

    Eakins real not step father is Cherokee Indian, so you’re again entering murky waters, and I’d like to ask one of the lawyers around Lowetide say “Steve Smith” who might be an expert on race relations to help clear everything up.

  61. speeds says:

    How many of Nurse, Marincin, Klefbom do people expect to start in EDM next season? And that is excluding the scenario in which they draft Ekblad, which may or may change things for one or two of those D.

  62. sliderule says:

    I don’t get the hate for Petry.

    He is our best overall defenceman.I know he is not Keith but he is Oilers best at moving puck and defending.

    The problem he has he is 6-3 and only195 and the stronger guys and even the weaker guys if they position right can overwhelm him.

    If he could put on enough muscle to get to 210 I see a number one or two D.

    I am starting to side with the Gagner critics.I know Bruce gave him a pass for swinging up the ice but I don’t.Their was no clear possession by Petry .

    Without clear possession Sam had to think defence and look for a man who happened to be Trouba right in front of net.

    This is were the oiler coaches could correct these things but I think they are like most fans and oiler players too busy puck watching.

  63. Bruce McCurdy says:

    hunter1909:
    Of course oiler’s record over their past 19 games under Chicken Hawk Dallas is a sparkling:

    WINS 4
    LOSSES 12
    OTL 3
    GOALS FOR 43
    GOALS AGAINST 73

    In the last 18 of those games, Oilers have been outshot 617-433. That’s a shot differential of -184, in 18 games. >10 shots per game.

    Fucking goalies. We’ll never win anything with those losers.

  64. Lowetide says:

    speeds:
    How many of Nurse, Marincin, Klefbom do people expect to start in EDM next season?And that is excluding the scenario in which they draft Ekblad, which may or may change things for one or two of those D.

    I’ll say two.

  65. Caramel Obvious says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: It’s really a stretch to claim any of the above as empirical evidence.

    It is certainly not empirical evidence of the claims you are making.

    I was just going to say the same thing, with perhaps an inclusion of a pithy that word doesn’t mean what you think it means or perhaps something like it is evidence in the same way that hearsay is a kind of evidence, or something like that, and then maybe something along the lines of “the question, dear blackhawk, is whether you can make words mean so many different things?

  66. Lowetide says:

    sliderule:
    I don’t get the hate for Petry.

    He is our best overall defenceman.I know he is not Keith but he is Oilers best at moving puck and defending.

    The problem he has he is 6-3 and only195 and the stronger guys and even the weaker guys if they position right can overwhelm him.

    If he could put on enough muscle to get to 210 I see a number one or two D.

    I am starting to side with the Gagner critics.I know Bruce gave him a pass for swinging up the ice but I don’t.Their was no clear possession by Petry .

    Without clear possession Sam had to think defence and look for a man who happened to be Trouba right in front of net.

    This is were the oiler coaches could correct these things but I think they are like most fans and oiler players too busy puck watching.

    There’s no hate for Petry imo, it’s a dislike for where he is in the batting order. If people don’t like Jeff Petry as a hockey player, perhaps they don’t understand the difficult situation he’s in. Same thing happened with Horcoff, Gilbert, and and and.

  67. Caramel Obvious says:

    Lowetide: I’ll say two.

    If the answer is any more than one, the Oilers are done forever. Litmus test.

  68. gvblackhawk says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: It’s really a stretch to claim any of the above as empirical evidence.

    It is certainly not empirical evidence of the claims you are making.

    Emperical evidence is knowledge based on observation. How would you describe it?

  69. Woodguy says:

    RexLibris:
    Woodguy,

    A friend of mine has been suggesting the Oilers try to move Eberle for Couturier, as was rumoured months ago, in order to address the 2C spot.

    I’ve been resistant to that idea because of the seemingly imminent departure of Hemsky and the ongoing struggles/alienation of Yakupov.

    However, does that seem to you like a prudent option this off-season? In terms of need, I believe it to be.

    I do that if Hemsky is signed.

    I though before that Gagner could provide ~80% of the offence that Eberle does in Eberle’s spot, but now I’m not are sold on that idea.

    I think 1LD is more important than 2C, so if Eberle’s your one big bullet, I’d prefer it gets spent on 1LD.

    This of course assumes the trade partner is looking for scoring wings in return for 1LD.

  70. hunter1909 says:

    Gagner literally has played himself out of town, so send him over to Vancouver for Kevin Bieksa, who will arrive so pissed off that they’ll instantly go on a 7 game winning tear.

    I always liked Bieksa, because I always liked it when dynasty Oilers said fun stuff. I don’t recall Kevin Lowe or MacT ever saying anything either when the Oilers ruled the NHL.

    Of course, now they’re running the oilers so now have an opportunity to make amends – paid for in full by Tier 1 fans.

    BEST EAKINS SCENARIO: If they are allowed to send Eakins to the AHL, they do it, then with the next Head Coach ready(Laviolette, Sutter please)tell the players that Eakins might return if the next coach doesn’t work. That’s motivation.

  71. gvblackhawk says:

    Caramel Obvious: I was just going to say the same thing, with perhaps an inclusion of a pithy that word doesn’t mean what you think it means or perhaps something like it is evidence in the same way that hearsay is a kind of evidence, or something like that, and then maybe something along the lines of “the question, dear blackhawk, is whether you can make words mean so many different things?

    Oh caramel oblivious, who sees nothing wrong at all, and speaks like a philosopher king, your opinion is as irrelevant as ever to me.

  72. Woodguy says:

    gvblackhawk: You are probably closer to the number when you say ten new players.When you consider trades and another goalie, that does seem more accurate.As much as many Oilers fans don’t want to consider it, management is going to have to trade value (Eberle, Perron, Yakupov, Justin Schultz, Petry, the 1st round pick) in order to get something substantial in return.The rest of the holes will have to be over pays in the UFA market.

    I’m sure if he doesn’t re-sign with Nashville, David Legwand will be the obvious target for 2C.There are lots of goaltending options available to provide a respectable tandem with Ben Scrivens (Hiller, Halak, Elliott, Greiss, Peters to name a few).

    I think the biggest FA target for 2C is Stastny.

    Kills it with shitty zone stats and brings offence.

    That’s my target for 2C and I hunt for a 1LD via trade.

    Oilers cap situation is very good for at least 2 more years.

    I offer Stastny more for those 2 years to lock him down than anyone else.

  73. Colieo87 says:

    Peyton Manning whop whop

  74. denny33 says:

    Lowetide,

    Bang on….

  75. Bruce McCurdy says:

    sliderule: I am starting to side with the Gagner critics.I know Bruce gave him a pass for swinging up the ice but I don’t.Their was no clear possession by Petry .

    Gord knows I’ve ripped the guy for fly-bys a time or twenty this season. On that play at the moment Gagner pivoted I (& presumably he) saw 2 things: 1) Petry in apparent possession of the puck 2) Belov in apparent position in front of the net.

    Just as Gagner turned “apparent” disappeared into the mists. Petry coughed the puck as Belov was getting shoved into the net. Gagner was going the wrong way and it was game over.

    Maybe he could have read that Belov was in trouble, and maybe he could have gone hard at an actual opponent rather than doing his thing of trying to anticipate where the puck is going next, but to me this play was less-inexcusable than numerous other coverage blunders he’s committed this season.

  76. Caramel Obvious says:

    If the Oilers keep their RFA (Petry, J Schultz, Arcobello, Gazdic) and re-sign Smyth, they have to add two forwards, three defensemen and two goalies for around $24 million or less.

    That’s doable if you can find two Gordon clones, three Ference clones, and re-sign Scrivens and Bryzgalov or similar.

    I’m not sure you can expect better than that. The question from there is two-fold. a) do these guys exist and then b) is that enough.

    Barring a miraculous Byfuglien or Couturier trade this is the best case scenario for next year (the worst case scenario being trying and failing to do this).

    Looking over the list of available free agent defensemen I don’t see it happening. There is no light at the end of this tunnel.

  77. Lowetide says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Gord knows I’ve ripped the guy for fly-bys a time or twenty this season. On that play at the moment Gagner pivoted I saw 2 things: 1) Petry in apparent possession of the puck 2) Belov in apparent position in front of the net.

    Just as Gagner turned “apparent” disappeared into the mists. Petry coughed the puck as Belov was getting shoved into the net. Gagner was going the wrong way and it was game over.

    Maybe he could have read that Belov was in trouble, and maybe he could have gone hard at an actual opponent rather than doing his thing of trying to anticipate where the puck is going next, but to me this play was less inexcusable than numerous other coverage blunders he’s committed this season.

    That’s where he has to mature imo. The jailbreak of youth has to give way to the safety dance of the aged.

  78. Caramel Obvious says:

    gvblackhawk: Oh caramel oblivious, who sees nothing wrong at all, and speaks like a philosopher king, your opinion is as irrelevant as ever to me.

    It is interesting that you are unable to distinguish knowledge and opinion. It isn’t my opinion that is irrelevant to you it is my knowledge. What do you call someone who is willingly ignorant?

  79. Lowetide says:

    Caramel Obvious:
    If the Oilers keep their RFA (Petry, J Schultz, Arcobello, Gazdic) and re-sign Smyth, they have to add two forwards, three defensemen and two goalies for around $24 million or less.

    That’s doable if you can find two Gordon clones, three Ference clones, and re-sign Scrivens and Bryzgalov or similar.

    I’m not sure you can expect better than that.The question from there is two-fold.a) do these guys exist and then b) is that enough.

    Barring a miraculous Byfuglien or Couturier trade this is the best case scenario for next year (the worst case scenario being trying and failing to do this).

    Looking over the list of available free agent defensemen I don’t see it happening.There is no light at the end of this tunnel.

    You’re kidding right? They’re going to rid themselves of people, people.

  80. Caramel Obvious says:

    Lowetide,

    But does that make it easier to fill the holes or harder? As it is I don’t know how they are going to fill seven holes. How do they fill more than seven?

  81. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: That’s where he has to mature imo. The jailbreak of youth has to give way to the safety dance of the aged.

    The main point is that he can stop to be in a good position defensively AND still be the first pass option for the break out.

    These guys just fly too quickly.

  82. prairieschooner says:

    Realistically how many 1LD s are available for Jordan Eberle?
    Taylor Fedun has deserved a shot in the show but has not been given a chance. Great story but they should trade him because if there are a limited number of “younger spots” available then he won’t get one.
    Belov needs to get his act together (shame we couldn’t get Huddy)
    Have the Oilers hurt themselves by going after too many puck movers (high risk reward)
    Marincin/Petry worked fairly well

  83. gvblackhawk says:

    Woodguy: I think the biggest FA target for 2C is Stastny.

    Kills it with shitty zone stats and brings offence.

    That’s my target for 2C and I hunt for a 1LD via trade.

    Oilers cap situation is very good for at least 2 more years.

    I offer Stastny more for those 2 years to lock him down than anyone else.

    Yeah I like Stastny, too, but I am not sure he fills the size quotient that MacT is looking for. I would agree that one of the top 2 defense positions will have to be filled by trading an existing asset.

  84. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: I’ll say two.

    If they run a LD of Ference and 2 rookies then the most the team will achieve will be 25th or so.

    Ference is drowning in the role of 1LD,

    He was doing not terribly at it with Petry, but then they tied JShultz to him and they are sinking like a stone.

    Rookies can’t handle 1LD either.

    It would be so Because Oilers to do that.

  85. gvblackhawk says:

    Caramel Obvious: It is interesting that you are unable to distinguish knowledge and opinion.It isn’t my opinion that is irrelevant to you it is my knowledge.What do you call someone who is willingly ignorant?

    I call that person….Caramel Oblivious.

    Btw, your knowledge would interest me a lot more if you were knowledgeable. I haven’t read one intelligent post from you yet. Lots of words without substance.

  86. Lowetide says:

    Caramel Obvious:
    Lowetide,

    But does that make it easier to fill the holes or harder?As it is I don’t know how they are going to fill seven holes.How do they fill more than seven?

    Good question. MacT filled 3line C and 2line L along with top 6D this summer/fall, and then holes emerged elsewhere. If we use this template:

    G: Ben Scrivens
    D: Jeff Petry, Martin Marincin, Andrew Ference, Justin Schultz
    C: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Boyd Gordon, Matt Hendricks
    L: Taylor Hall, David Perron, Luke Gazdic
    R: Jordan Eberle, Nail Yakupov

    and trade Bryz, Belov, N Schultz, the first, Klefbom, Hemsky, Gagner maybe you end up with

    G: Jonas Hiller, Ben Scrivens
    D: Zbenek Michalek, Christian Ehrhoff, Jeff Petry, Martin Marincin, Andrew Ference, Justin Schultz, Taylor Fedun
    C: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, David Legwand, Boyd Gordon, Matt Hendricks, Anton Lander
    L: Taylor Hall, David Perron, Ryan Smyth, Jesse Joensuu, Luke Gazdic
    R: Jordan Eberle, Nail Yakupov, Daniel Winnik, Tyler Pitlick

  87. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Lowetide: That’s where he has to mature imo. The jailbreak of youth has to give way to the safety dance of the aged.

    Oh, agreed. I just saw the circumstances of this specific instance as a bit more mitigating than all-too-many other examples. Especially as it was a 4v4 and not a 5v5. There’s just not much place for the low forward in 4v4.

  88. speeds says:

    I kind of wonder if EDM might look at a huge offer sheet, lets say 77M over 7 years, to Subban. I know, I know, I always talk about offer sheets. But look at this UFA list:

    http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents/?year_id=2014&team_id=-1&position_id=D&fa_type_id=2

    Not exactly a ton of options, particularly by the time some of those guys re-sign. Maybe you can trade for a D, but then you have to replace whatever you trade away. That might be the better route, but maybe EDM does look at the offer sheet route if they want to add a D?

  89. denny33 says:

    Woodguy,

    Realistically, are there any 1Ds defenceman even available….?

    Just not seen anyone say, x team looking to move their 1d…..

    Very cool on Mac T- just not sure ( hopefully I am wrong ) anyone can expect him to obtain – a legitimate 1D. And, on the remote chance he finds someone, I think the price he pays will shock people.

  90. FastOil says:

    Back when Cooper and Eakins came into the spotlight I hoped that somehow they would bag Cooper. Then when MacT hired Eakins I thought great, I can’t believe that actually happened.

    Now again I wish they had moved on Cooper. Such is the nature of Oiler fandom these last 10-15 years I guess. They make nice things not nice. Like that dink cousin who always wrecks your toys when they come over.

    Seriously, I still prefer Eakins over some recycled old school guy. Hockey Canada spells it all out as far as I’m concerned. Pluggers on tournament teams, good grief.

  91. godot10 says:

    MacT year 1:

    Far more bad decisions than good decisions. Horribly misread what needed to be done. A big fat F for year number 1.

    The worst thing is that he has put the rebuild in jeopardy of failure.

    I am pretty close to apathy.

    it is really sad that most of the remaining attraction is like not being able to avert one’s eyes from a car wreck.

    After the Olympics, Lowe should coach the rest of the year. Henry V has to go into the trenches with his troops. It is what real leadership demands. It can’t be MacT because he got to work on fixing that big fat F as GM.

  92. Caramel Obvious says:

    Lowetide: Good question. MacT filled 3line C and 2line L along with top 6D this summer/fall, and then holes emerged elsewhere. If we use this template:

    G: Ben Scrivens D: Jeff Petry, Martin Marincin, Andrew Ference, Justin Schultz C: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Boyd Gordon, Matt Hendricks L: Taylor Hall, David Perron, Luke Gazdic R: Jordan Eberle, Nail Yakupov

    and trade Bryz, Belov, N Schultz, the first, Klefbom, Hemsky, Gagner maybe you end up with

    G: Jonas Hiller, Ben Scrivens D: Zbenek Michalek, Christian Ehrhoff, Jeff Petry, Martin Marincin, Andrew Ference, Justin Schultz, Taylor Fedun C: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, David Legwand, Boyd Gordon, Matt Hendricks, Anton Lander L: Taylor Hall, David Perron, Ryan Smyth, Jesse Joensuu, Luke Gazdic R: Jordan Eberle, Nail Yakupov, Daniel Winnik, Tyler Pitlick

    That’s not bad. However, I wonder whether it is enough even if it were possible. J Schultz and Yakupov would have to emerge.

    I’d also keep Arcobello.

    speeds:
    I kind of wonder if EDM might look at a huge offer sheet, lets say 77M over 7 years, to Subban.I know, I know, I always talk about offer sheets.But look at this UFA list:

    http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents/?year_id=2014&team_id=-1&position_id=D&fa_type_id=2

    Not exactly a ton of options, particularly by the time some of those guys re-sign.Maybe you can trade for a D, but then you have to replace whatever you trade away.That might be the better route, but maybe EDM does look at the offer sheet route if they want to add a D?

    There is no price too high to sign Subban. None.

  93. Lois Lowe says:

    gvblackhawk: Only with the emperical evidence provided at this point.The way that the coaches handle the players (communication with the players, double standards, accountability, discussing individuals strengths or weakness with the media vs. private conversation), how he handles his coaching/support staff,and the ability of the coach to get maximum performance from the players.

    The players will go to war for Nelson or Krueger.There is very little indication that they will do that for Eakins.There is, however, a growing concern that they have tuned him out — similar to what happened to Tortarella last year in New York.Only the players and MacTavish will know during the exit interviews at season’s end.

    Do you actually remember last season? The players did not go to war for Krueger, they folded like a cheap tent down the stretch.

  94. Lowetide says:

    godot10:
    MacT year 1:

    Far more bad decisions than good decisions.Horribly misread what needed to be done.A big fat F for year number 1.

    The worst thing is that he has put the rebuild in jeopardy of failure.

    I am pretty close to apathy.

    it is really sad that most of the remaining attraction is like not being able to avert one’s eyes from a car wreck.

    After the Olympics, Lowe should coach the rest of the year.Henry V has to go into the trenches with his troops.It is what real leadership demands.It can’t be MacT because he got to work on fixing that big fat F as GM.

    Don’t agree. The season has gone to shit, but that’s different than saying he failed to address need. MacT DID neglect center ice, and of course the Gagner injury made it worse but that situation I agree on.

    The rest? We’re all mad, but let’s not frame this as being the end of the world as we know it.

  95. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    gvblackhawk: Emperical evidence is knowledge based on observation.How would you describe it?

    Without getting into a long winded and extraneous epistemological discussion…

    For “empirical evidence” to carry any real water it should satisfy a couple knowledge production norms:

    1) ideally observable to all, ie., there is no special exception granted to this or that observer, i.e., God appeared to me, personally.

    2) <ideally verifiable by all,ie., anyone so inclined should be able to verify another’s observation, reproduce results, falsify conclusions

    We simply have no access to the facts we’d need to reasonably draw the conclusions you are drawing.

    It reads much more like biased speculation… which, hey that’s totally cool by me. But I can’t see it as an evidence based analysis.

  96. denny33 says:

    Lowetide,

    Agreed, I have seen no hate or ‘railroad’ for Jeff….his play speaks for itself and his HS as well.

    My critique does not involve him giving up goals to the Kane’s, Perry,s or Thornton’s of the world….

    It is the unforced errors, walked by defenceman or beats by lesser knowns in corners, front of the net, etc etc…

  97. Lowetide says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Without getting into a long winded and extraneous epistemological discussion…

    Yes, yes. Let’s avoid this. :-)

  98. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: Yes, yes. Let’s avoid this.

    You got it!

    Platzer won the Oilers prospect boxcar race today vs. Nurse

    Nurse 0-0-0 even 2PIMs
    Platzer 0-1-1 +2 2PIMs

  99. gvblackhawk says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Without getting into a long winded and extraneous epistemological discussion…

    For “empirical evidence” to carry any real water it should satisfy a couple knowledge production norms:

    1) ideally observable to all, ie., there is no special exception granted to this or that observer, i.e., God appeared to me, personally.

    2) <ideally verifiable by all,ie., anyone so inclined should be able to verify another’s observation, reproduce results, falsify conclusions

    We simply have no access to the facts we’d need to reasonably draw the conclusions you are drawing.

    It reads much more like biased speculation… which, hey that’s totally cool by me. But I can’t see it as an evidence based analysis.

    I kind of figured I would regret using that term. I’ll freely admit that it is all based on speculation. No better than those who base opinions on ‘body language’, etc. I am only trying to suss out why this team appears to be quitting on the coach. It is a better team on paper than last year, but the results are the same. If MacT turns half of the roster over for next season, but the team remains in the dregs of the league, would that be an appropriate time to point the finger at Eakins?

  100. Ryan says:

    Lowetide: Don’t agree. The season has gone to shit, but that’s different than saying he failed to address need. MacT DID neglect center ice, and of course the Gagner injury made it worse but that situation I agree on.

    The rest? We’re all mad, but let’s not frame this as being the end of the world as we know it.

    We can start with agreeing that Mact didn’t put together much of a blue line.

    He also could have hired Dellow to forecast the point in time at which the wheels are likely to fall off a player (Nultz).

    For a guy who was critical of the team having too many non-factors on the lower lines, he sure assembled a real beauty (Acton, Hamilton, Joensu, Gadzik).

    It would be one thing to take a flyer on a guy like Belov… What is it when you’re also taking a flyer on Grebeshkov, Hamilton, Acton, Joensu, Larsen, Omark, Jones, Horak)…

  101. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Ryan: We can start with agreeing that Mact didn’t put together much of a blue line.

    Yes we could agree to that, mere months after many of us agreed MacT had done a great job assembling nine (9) NHL-quality d-men so we could develop Marincin & Klefbom in the AHL this year.

    At least one of those things actually has happened, but stay tuned.

  102. prairieschooner says:

    For 2 seasons Grebs was playing crap on a modest KHL team
    I wonder if Mr Bold moves will pull his neck in this year with a lesson learned?

  103. gvblackhawk says:

    Lois Lowe: Do you actually remember last season? The players did not go to war for Krueger, they folded like a cheap tent down the stretch.

    Krueger did not have the horses last season. Moreover, some of his tactics were questionable. However, there is no doubt that the players put in the effort for him. I am too lazy right now to find the exact quotes but to paraphrase Yakupov: You just want to play your hardest for him….win games for him.

  104. sliderule says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Oh, agreed. I just saw the circumstances of this specific instance as a bit more mitigating than all-too-many other examples. Especially as it was a 4v4 and not a 5v5. There’s just not much place for the low forward in 4v4.

    I can see how Sam thought that Petry had or was going to get possession.Its easy for us to sit and watch and it all seems so obvious.When you are on the ice it’s happening so fast that ita a blur.

    I don’t like the way that Eakins handles himself or the players.He has however got the forwards to take the first step which is to get back into the D zone..The problem is time after time when they get there they don’t identify a threat .Their instinct is to want to head up the ice..Gagner to his credit has been one of the better ones at getting back and because he doesn’t identify the threat he hangs himself out to dry.The coaches and I stress the plural must get all these forwards aware of the most important part of the equation which is when you get back identify the threat.This threat can be an unmarked man or a defender in trouble.

    Unfortunately I am not convinced that this coaching team is up to the task of turning this around.

  105. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    gvblackhawk: I kind of figured I would regret using that term.I’ll freely admit that it is all based on speculation.No better than those who base opinions on ‘body language’, etc.I am only trying to suss out why this team appears to be quitting on the coach.It is a better team on paper than last year, but the results are the same.If MacT turns half of the roster over for next season, but the team remains in the dregs of the league, would that be an appropriate time to point the finger at Eakins?

    I think finger pointing right now is fine.

    I have no problem taking him to task, or for speculating about what might be going wrong and how he’s responsible.

    I just think we need to — despite the squishiness it leads to — be modest about our claims regarding what we know about what is wrong.

    It all seems too easy to me to find a single, or dominant, fault line, like the coach. We’ve tried this script on before and it always reads like wishful thinking: if he goes away, everything is better (this is obviously a parody of various positions held around here and elsewhere).

    None of which is to say that coaching is working out right now or that it is immune to critique or even the kind of speculation you are engaged in.

    argle bargle… blah blah blah… I’m even tired of hearing myself think about this shit.

    Fuck Tambellini and Fuck Lowe for keeping him in power for so long. Damnit. Crap. Assholes.

  106. flyfish1168 says:

    All of this is hindsight now. I feel and have been saying this for the past few weeks that we need to start developing our players at the NHL level. That means sending away non core players and bring up some of the AHL prospects.

    MacT and Eakins has to start thinking big picture for next season but probably more the following season. We need our young d-men down in the AHL to come up and game some real NHL experience to be ready for next season. We can’t have two or three rookies on defense to start the season.

    I’m very confident Eakins is not going anywhere. He needs to start developing better communication skills with the media and with his players. He needs the reset more than anyone else.

  107. gvblackhawk says:

    Lowetide: Don’t agree. The season has gone to shit, but that’s different than saying he failed to address need. MacT DID neglect center ice, and of course the Gagner injury made it worse but that situation I agree on.

    The rest? We’re all mad, but let’s not frame this as being the end of the world as we know it.

    Do you think going into next season with the same coaching staff is advisable? Let’s say they keep Eakins. What about a complete overhaul of the assistant coaches in order to try something different or at least a mild attempt to combat nepotism?

  108. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    prairieschooner:
    For 2 seasons Grebs wasplaying crap on a modest KHL team
    I wonder if Mr Bold moves will pull his neck in this year with a lesson learned?

    He’s already buried him in the minors for basically the entire season and publicly called Grebs a “failed experiment”

    What exactly are you looking for… ?

  109. speeds says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Yes we could agree to that, mere months after many of us agreed MacT had done a great job assembling nine (9) NHL-quality d-men so we could develop Marincin & Klefbom in the AHL this year.

    At least one of those things actually has happened, but stay tuned.

    Perhaps I’m misremembering, but it seems to me many said they liked the improved depth of the D but thought the quality of the top 4 was still lacking. Is that inaccurate? I guess I would have to look through the comments at the start of the year?

  110. gvblackhawk says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:

    I just think we need to — despite the squishiness it leads to — be modest about our claims regarding what we know about what is wrong.

    That is a prudent approach.

    I have always been in the camp of ‘the coach is not the problem’ and ‘getting another coach is not going to solve the problem’. I still believe the on-ice personnel is problematic, but the regression of the top players under the current coaching regime is eyebrow-raising.

  111. FastOil says:

    While I agree progress on the coaching front has been made, MacT did not improve the roster on the whole.

    For Eakins even if he doesn’t survive, simply bringing the concept of playing 200 ft and still scoring is going to be key for the team. I believe many of the offensive players felt them to be mutually exclusive.

    MacT has been erratic to say the least. He implies it’s him calling the shots, kind of, but there has been no eveness as you might expect from a single person’s actions.

    Devan Dubnyk had 4 bad games. MacT couldn’t get over it. This season is not on goaltending, the goaltending is the result of the roster. All goalies will be sub standard on this team as it stands.

    In not addressing C fully and making a poor hire at D followed by a lot of gambling on players beating the odds, the teams defense is, completely unsurprisingly, the worst in the league.

    Hopefully this deadline and summer are better. Really if he does it again it’s clear he either is wrong in his assumptions or no good. It doesn’t take years to know, it’s there right from the start if you are perceptive and clear enough. In MacT’s own words, if you have to ask the question, you already know the answer.

    Letting Tambellini destroy for years to be sure didn’t turn out so well and it was clear soon in. I learned my lesson. Being impatient and being negligent run on a fine line.

  112. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Here’s an observation I would like you all to confirm, watch for and think about.

    I’ve noticed that the Oilers wings — nearly to a man — when they are backchecking or forechecking an opposing player cheat for the offensive side.

    So, let’s say you are in the D-zone. The puck is either possessed by an opposition play high along the wall toward the blue line, or they are first in a race to get it. Oilers winger approaches on the opposition side, ie., hoping the puck squirts through, or that they will win the battle, and they can head north… but leaving the other team’s player an uncontested route to the kill zone.

    same thing happens at the other end of the rink.

    (have I written this clearly… here’s where a visual would help a lot)

  113. prairieschooner says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Better judgement in the first place
    It walked like a duck
    quacked like a duck

  114. justDOit says:

    hunter1909:
    justDOit,

    Yikes.

    For the record, I didn’t think that you were working off the modern definition.

    "Steve Smith":
    I always thought “chicken hawk” referred to politicians who were hawk-ish, but who had never themselves served (or had children serve, etc.)…

    Yes, that’s another definition – for examples, see: Cheney, Dick, and Bush, GW.

  115. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    gvblackhawk: I still believe the on-ice personnel is problematic, but the regression of the top players under the current coaching regime is eyebrow-raising.

    Well, Hall is certainly off and I’m not sure we have a good answer here (other than injury which I’m not sure is being taken seriously enough as an answer).

    Yak is a conundrum… but last year he was a real streaky performer remember. And, he’s at the age where we should expect a lot of weirdness.

    The PK and PP conversion rates are way off… but when you look at the shots this team has been riding percentages hard for the past several years and while the shots are improved this year… lady luck hates us (this was discussed extensively here recently). They are both still badly in need of work, but luck isn’t given its due in this conversation IMO.

    And, when we talk about regression of the top players… we need to look at the black hole Hemsky fell into last year along with Gagner (MC79 did the whole dig down deal). Hemsky has rebounded nicely… is that the coach? I don’t know.

  116. Hammers says:

    Lowetide: I’ll say two.

    I’ll say 1 . Marincin . Klef mid season . Nurse back to junior if there smart . Forget Ekblad to slow for nhl .

  117. Hammers says:

    speeds: Perhaps I’m misremembering, but it seems to me many said they liked the improved depth of the D but thought the quality of the top 4 was still lacking.Is that inaccurate?I guess I would have to look through the comments at the start of the year?

    I remember much the same thing but the key was lacking another top 4 . We added -5-6 7-’s

  118. Bruce McCurdy says:

    speeds: Perhaps I’m misremembering, but it seems to me many said they liked the improved depth of the D but thought the quality of the top 4 was still lacking.Is that inaccurate?I guess I would have to look through the comments at the start of the year?

    No that’s probably accurate. The top 4 was always a top 2½ or thereabouts. But there was lots of stuff about how MacT had acquired so much depth, unfortunately not much of it has worked out.

  119. theres oil in virginia says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Here’s an observation I would like you all to confirm, watch for and think about.

    I’ve noticed that the Oilers wings — nearly to a man — when they are backchecking or forechecking an opposing player cheat for the offensive side.

    So, let’s say you are in the D-zone. The puck is either possessed by an opposition play high along the wall toward the blue line, or they are first in a race to get it. Oilers winger approaches on the opposition side, ie., hoping the puck squirts through, or that they will win the battle, and they can head north… but leaving the other team’s player an uncontested route to the kill zone.

    same thing happens at the other end of the rink.

    (have I written this clearly… here’s where a visual would help a lot)

    You nailed it.

  120. Hammers says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Well, Hall is certainly off and I’m not sure we have a good answer here (other than injury which I’m not sure is being taken seriously enough as an answer).

    Yak is a conundrum… but last year he was a real streaky performer remember. And, he’s at the age where we should expect a lot of weirdness.

    The PK and PP conversion rates are way off… but when you look at the shots this team has been riding percentages hard for the past several years and while the shots are improved this year… lady luck hates us (this was discussed extensively here recently). They are both still badly in need of work, but luck isn’t given its due in this conversation IMO.

    And, when we talk about regression of the top players… we need to look at the black hole Hemsky fell into last year along with Gagner (MC79 did the whole dig down deal). Hemsky has rebounded nicely… is that the coach? I don’t know.

    Yea but Gags went the other way . As for Hemsky he looks fit this year . The coaches don’t really get any credit from me and if anything the opposite .

  121. sliderule says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Here’s an observation I would like you all to confirm, watch for and think about.

    I’ve noticed that the Oilers wings — nearly to a man — when they are backchecking or forechecking an opposing player cheat for the

    So, let’s say you are in the D-zone. The puck is either possessed by an opposition play high along the wall toward the blue line, or they are first in a race to get it. Oilers winger approaches on the opposition side, ie., hoping the puck squirts through, or that they will win the battle, and they can head north… but leaving the other team’s player an uncontested route to the kill zone.

    same thing happens at the other end of the rink.

    (have I written this clearly… here’s where a visual would help a lot)

    The worst at this is Hall but pretty much all of the young guys with the exception of Nuge try to check from offensive side in all zones..
    I just can’t believe that the coaches haven’t corrected this.
    Cripes my midget coach used to get on me foe doing that.

  122. Lowetide says:

    gvblackhawk: Do you think going into next season with the same coaching staff is advisable?Let’s say they keep Eakins.What about a complete overhaul of the assistant coaches in order to try something different or at least a mild attempt to combat nepotism?

    I think it’s unavoidable. And impossible

  123. FastOil says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    “I just think we need to — despite the squishiness it leads to — be modest about our claims regarding what we know about what is wrong.”

    I think I know what exactly is wrong and that is what compels me to participate in the blogs that discuss it beyond loutish ranting. That I do later in the evenings to my friends and family.

    I don’t know the exact route to fixing it because nobody including the GM’s knows, it isn’t a static situation. Yet I know what is wrong.

    I don’t think the coaches matter much at all once you move beyond competence (which some may argue Eakins isn’t, I don’t). As Al Arbour or somebody said the best coach is the guy who follows the best group of players onto the bus.

    Morale, goaltending, coaching, PP, PK, VD, all come down to the issue of not enough NHL experienced good players and no balance. Pretty straight forward.

    The Oilers make it look like breaking the DNA code or worse.

  124. teddyturnbuckle says:

    Any update on Yak?

  125. gvblackhawk says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Well, Hall is certainly off and I’m not sure we have a good answer here (other than injury which I’m not sure is being taken seriously enough as an answer).

    Yak is a conundrum… but last year he was a real streaky performer remember. And, he’s at the age where we should expect a lot of weirdness.

    The PK and PP conversion rates are way off… but when you look at the shots this team has been riding percentages hard for the past several years and while the shots are improved this year… lady luck hates us (this was discussed extensively here recently). They are both still badly in need of work, but luck isn’t given its due in this conversation IMO.

    And, when we talk about regression of the top players… we need to look at the black hole Hemsky fell into last year along with Gagner (MC79 did the whole dig down deal). Hemsky has rebounded nicely… is that the coach? I don’t know.

    Shot metrics are abysmal for Hall and I’m not sure if injury alone can explain this. Same for RNH, and to a lesser extent Eberle. It’s troubling, to say the least.

    I agree that the team was riding the percentages on their PP in the past few seasons, but the PP this season is not just suffering from poor conversion rates. They are also giving up more goals, shots, shot attempts, and chances when playing 5v4. They have taken a monumental step in the wrong direction.

    If Smyth and Hemsky have done better, but the young stars are doing worse, is that cause for optimism or pessimism?

  126. Lowetide says:

    Pitlick scored this afternoon, he may get a call here in the next while.

  127. jake70 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Here’s an observation I would like you all to confirm, watch for and think about.

    I’ve noticed that the Oilers wings — nearly to a man — when they are backchecking or forechecking an opposing player cheat for the offensive side.

    So, let’s say you are in the D-zone. The puck is either possessed by an opposition play high along the wall toward the blue line, or they are first in a race to get it. Oilers winger approaches on the opposition side, ie., hoping the puck squirts through, or that they will win the battle, and they can head north… but leaving the other team’s player an uncontested route to the kill zone.

    same thing happens at the other end of the rink.

    (have I written this clearly… here’s where a visual would help a lot)

    Yes. They poke at the puck like stoking a fire, hoping it pops through so they can fly. Way too often on the offensive side of the puck. I love run and gun but unless you get a dance partner, it won’t work.

  128. flyfish1168 says:

    Interesting article on brian burke here

    http://flamesnation.ca/2014/1/19/brian-burke-lets-make-a-deal

  129. flyfish1168 says:

    Torts in person hearing with league officials tomorrow. doesn’t sound like he will be behind the bench against us Tuesday.

  130. Woodguy says:

    denny33:
    Woodguy,

    Realistically, are there any 1Ds defenceman even available….?

    Just not seen anyone say, x team looking to move their 1d…..

    Very cool on Mac T- just not sure ( hopefully I am wrong ) anyone can expect him to obtain – a legitimate 1D. And, on the remote chance he finds someone, I think the price he pays will shock people.

    Mihalek in LT’s example is a good one.

    He’s had a history of playing the toughs and doing well.

    Wouldn’t cost an Eberle as well.

    I’d shoot higher.

    I think MacT is shooting higher as well, but he may be aiming for a RHD and include either JShultz or Petry in the deal.

    Team receiving either 2 or 19 would receive a downgrade to RD, but not a massive one, and presumably they’d grab some offence too.

  131. art vandelay says:

    What’s an urban dictionary?
    “Chickenhawk” is that little bird that’s always up Foghorn Leghorn’s ass.
    Not sure how there could be any confusion about this.

  132. Ryan says:

    Bruce McCurdy: No that’s probably accurate. The top 4 was always a top 2½ or thereabouts. But there was lots of stuff about how MacT had acquired so much depth, unfortunately not much of it has worked out.

    I honestly didn’t understand your previous comment until I read this one–I wasn’t sure if you were being sarcastic or not.

    My recollection seems to be different than yours.

    I seem to recall most of us being underwhelmed by the Ference acquisition.

    I thought that the consensus was that while Ference was a number 4 on Boston, given his age and lack of size, he was far short of what we needed.

    I don’t recall anyone expecting much from Larsen.

    Most thought it was worthwhile to take flyers on Belov and Grebs though a lot of people thought they’d rather have had Gilbert instead of Grebs.

    On the whole, I must’ve been reading a different blog because I never had the sense that the consensus was that we were heading into the season 9 NHL dmen deep.

  133. prairieschooner says:

    Not wanting to harp on the Grebs deal ….but doing so anyway
    I understand that MacT was hoping for a rabbit out of a hat but I recall Gregor having a Russian scout on his show and he struggled to come up with a way to justify the signing.
    Due diligence might have saved the oilers from making a 1.5 million mistake in the first place and hiring Eakins as head coach was definitely a snap judgement.

  134. godot10 says:

    Prediction:

    Gagner, Petry, and the #1 for Tyler Myers and Ville Leino.

  135. DeadmanWaking says:

    justDOit: chickenhawk

    Adding a creative entry to the urban dictionary concerning a hypothetical sexual practice seems to have become a right of passage that transpires around the time of that plump, white pimple whose payload first sticks to the bathroom mirror. Goodbye to the training-weal zits that give up a buttery smear. It’s griefer rage from now on.

    From what I’ve read, flirting with the titillation of disgust is a normal component of human sexual fantasy (reading “normal” rather broadly, as one must in these matters). Taking this kind of thing to the next level is a much, much, much smaller group. I’m pretty sure most of this flirting is ad lib. That’s the whole point. Dwelling over it. Selling your story. Blurting out that you’re into architaenioglossa–supposing it were such a word as commonly defined in the urban dictionary rather than a prim snail–has all the sex appeal and entertainment value of disrobing a nudist. Transgressing taboo is a performative art.

    For those rarer individuals where performance pushes aside the performative (the act now superseding the describing of the act) I deeply suspect it’s still mostly an ad lib production. Much of the joke of the urban dictionary is that these words need to exist in the first place, to service some secret legion of fast-talking stamp collectors of human depravity. It must be a powerful impulse at that age to grant immortality to the perviest muddle of angst and expectation about the human body that ever entered the juvenile mind cold-cranking its dormant circuitry. Lust! Power! To define is divine.

    I sympathise over Hunter stumbling into the word “chickenhawk”–shall I say–with laudable innocence. The term is not that commonly encountered unless you’re the kind of person who seeks exposure one way or another (half of these people are envious morality cluckers …).

    It used to be, not that long ago, that a chickenhawk was political hawk of the most extreme kind. Bad currency drives out good and sexualizing children is the worst currency of all (unless you’re merely selling merchandise by airbrushing mammaries for Mammon–almost before Mother Nature’s paint has dried on the blushing beam-bubbles).

    Within the Catholic church, the term appears to have been reserved for the elite serializers–which took some doing–most of whom have now been booted out according to recent reports, though none so far, it seems, of their omerta-smooching superiors who shunted the steadfast serializers through shepherdships fresh and far.

    There’s a new frock in town.
    Everybody’s talking about the new frock in town.

    If only it had been that way.

    Words are funny in their capacity to bestow guilt by association.

    When I was a child I thought “bloody” meant “containing or stained with blood”. My mother sharply informed me that somewhere out there, in the wide world, some person or group warranting either condemnation or disapproval either use or used this word to mean something much different (or perhaps not so different) in connection with some sordid matter of the human condition best left unspoken by the not-yet-fallen. Of this, “sordid” was the one nubbin of comprehension I felt fairly certain about. Until then I thought that “blood” and “bread” were joined at the hip on the seventh day, and thus equally fair game, though I suppose I could have earned an equally sharp reprimand had I ever commented at a dull gathering that “something in here smells awfully bready”. It’s amazing we ever sort life out.

    I was never the kind of kid who looked up dirty words in a dictionary. I was more like Mendeleev drawing up grids filled with empty boxes I knew would one day contain an element yet to be discovered. I was wise enough to understand that a dictionary was no cure for ignorance.

    I would have liked instead to possess a book titled Why People Cluck: 500 Words with Embarrassing Uncles. Section I: The Human Body: Its Orifices and Byproducts. Section II: Damn furriners!. (Maybe it should be instead titled Prudery and Prejudice.) Section III: Invisible Friends: Come on Down. Section IV: Knock on Wood: Jinx and Karma. (Don’t mention the shutout.) Section V: Defectives and Double Standards: Losers, Addicts, and Womenfolk.

    I think that about runs the gamut of the embarrassing uncles Buckeye, Buckshot, Bupkus, Buckweed, and Bucktooth. Appendix A: The Cryptobigotry Arms Race. The whole schmeer would be quite eye-opening to a twelve-year-old.

    Yesterday I was surprisingly edified by my time slumming with “Slartibartfast”. The joke inside this word is that it sounds like it’s cheek to jowl with a rude word or two, but after a pause not so much. Even Adams said so (I read an interview with Adams about this word long ago). All you can really get are the rather mild “slut”–barely rising above the background noise of “slat”, “slit”, and “slot”–and “fart”, after a mid-span transposition.

    My own accidental analog didn’t quite achieve the almostness of Adams’ original. Mine was more biting. I figured that as women always get the worst of harsh language, it was okay that it came out more direct, reflecting the double standard. Sad to say, that’s half of what made it sound feminine. Funny that effervescent has nearly the same cadence as a curse word spitting three nails. Effing cus punt. (Or “heifer”. Or “hefe” from the German for yeast. They all fit the cadence and halitosis.)

    “Slarti bart fast” curses on a snare drum under its breath. “Effing cus punt” curses on the timpani. We know who wears the pants. We also know that Slartibartfast is secretly mortified to have a less embarrassing name than his dearly beloved. After meeting Hefferpuscrunt, he’s embarrassed to admit he was ever the least bit embarrassed by his own name. The poor man can’t win. He’s gallant to a fault.

    I continue to think there’s some fine moonshine in Hunter’s still if he could resist the urge to ignite every vapour into a burning crossbuck.

    A word I’m struggling with lately is “hiatus”. I need to look that up.

  136. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy: I think the biggest FA target for 2C is Stastny.Kills it with shitty zone stats and brings offence.That’s my target for 2C and I hunt for a 1LD via trade.Oilers cap situation is very good for at least 2 more years.I offer Stastny more for those 2 years to lock him down than anyone else.

    Man that would be awesome. I always liked the guy. He seemed to have regressed big time under Sacco and so did Duchene. ANybody here have any insight in this?

  137. Ryan says:

    prairieschooner:
    Not wanting to harp on the Grebs deal ….but doing so anyway
    I understand that MacT was hoping for a rabbit out of a hat but I recall Gregor having a Russian scout on his show and he struggled to come up with a way to justify the signing.
    Due diligence might have saved the oilers from making a 1.5 million mistake in the first place and hiring Eakins as head coach was definitely a snap judgement.

    Either that or a trip to hockeydb.com

    Gp 44 : 0-8-8 +/- -11 in the khl doesn’t scream $1.5m

    In poker, a player who consistently bets against the math is called a fish…

    In hockey, well a management team that consistently bets against the math is called Your Edmonton Oilers….

    :)

  138. Ryan says:

    DeadmanWaking,

    I didn’t realize that Conrad Black read this fine blog.

  139. cabbiesmacker says:

    godot10:
    Prediction:

    Gagner, Petry, and the #1 for Tyler Myers and Ville Leino.

    I’m reading posts bottom to top so my apologies if you’re being sarcastic here but man, what a putrid trade from an Oiler standpoint.

    I want Gagner gone but not for a bum like Leino.

    Gagner should get a second I’d think and there’s zero reason to trade Petry and expect this D will ever mature.

  140. spoiler says:

    Woodguy: I think the biggest FA target for 2C is Stastny.Kills it with shitty zone stats and brings offence.That’s my target for 2C and I hunt for a 1LD via trade.Oilers cap situation is very good for at least 2 more years.I offer Stastny more for those 2 years to lock him down than anyone else.

    Dubinsky and Stastny are my two. I think I throw Stepan in there too, but he may be the least available. Not that any one of them really should be. Oh, and if it is O’Reilly instead of Stastny, that’s okay too, lol.

  141. Pouzar says:

    spoiler: Dubinsky and Stastny are my two. I think I throw Stepan in there too, but he may be the least available. Not that any one of them really should be. Oh, and if it is O’Reilly instead of Stastny, that’s okay too, lol.

    Ditto on Dubinsky…good call.

  142. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    http://firstrownow.eu/watch/233941/1/watch-ahl-:-oklahoma-city-vs-milwaukee-admirals.html

    barons 4-2 Fedun just scored.

    edit: just like that 4-3 off a d-zone faceoff.

  143. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Barons give up 2 goal lead in the final 5 minutes. going to OT.

    Both goals off of d-zone faceoffs.

  144. RexLibris says:

    flyfish1168:
    Torts in person hearing with league officials tomorrow. doesn’t sound like he will be behind the bench against us Tuesday.

    There should be some questions directed Hartley’s way as well.

    His lineup was intended to initiate a line brawl off the opening faceoff.

    Tortorella deserves a suspension for his actions in the 1st intermission, but the Flames deserve a slap on the wrist as well. Reminiscent of Scott going after Kessel in the pre-season.

  145. Pouzar says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Are you watching the game? How has Musil looked? Klefbom?

  146. Andy P says:

    I’m just watching the NFC Championship game. Apart from being different sports, what a world of difference between top playoff teams and our lot. My goodness.

  147. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Hammers: Yea but Gags went the other way . As for Hemsky he looks fit this year . The coaches don’t really get any credit from me and if anything the opposite .

    No. Gags didn’t go the other way. As abysmal as he’s been this year, he was worse last year.

    http://www.extraskater.com/player/576/sam-gagner

    Hemsky is much much better this year and was “fit” last year. He didn’t have any injury trouble until that broken foot

    http://www.extraskater.com/player/577/ales-hemsky

  148. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Pouzar:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Are you watching the game? How has Musil looked? Klefbom?

    Follow the link, you can too…

    just got in the house with 5 minutes left in the game… not in a great position to evaluate the play, missed too much. Wait for Willis to assess.

    Going to a shootout right now.

    0-5 in shootouts this year. yet to score a shootout goal in last 3 attempts…

    lordy as LT would say.

  149. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    gvblackhawk: I agree that the team was riding the percentages on their PP in the past few seasons, but the PP this season is not just suffering from poor conversion rates. They are also giving up more goals, shots, shot attempts, and chances when playing 5v4. They have taken a monumental step in the wrong direction.

    the shortie goals are mindboggling.

    I think the fact that the special teams are better in shots this year and still horrible is just a testament to how awful this team has been for years.

  150. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Combs takes the first shot.

    Scores!!!

    Welcome to OKC!

    Bachman makes the save!

    Ry Ham shooting.

    scores!! on the trickle in

    Beck scores on Bachman 2-1 barons.

    Lander shooting for the win

    misses.

    Bachman makes the save.

    Horak misses.

    bachman save.

    Pitlick misses.

    bachman misses. tied 2-2… how many damn attempts do they get?

    stretch scores.

    Bachman needs a save to win.

  151. RexLibris says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Without getting into a long winded and extraneous epistemological discussion…

    For “empirical evidence” to carry any real water it should satisfy a couple knowledge production norms:

    1) ideally observable to all, ie., there is no special exception granted to this or that observer, i.e., God appeared to me, personally.

    2) <ideally verifiable by all,ie., anyone so inclined should be able to verify another’s observation, reproduce results, falsify conclusions

    We simply have no access to the facts we’d need to reasonably draw the conclusions you are drawing.

    It reads much more like biased speculation… which, hey that’s totally cool by me. But I can’t see it as an evidence based analysis.

    Well now your just talking crazy, man!

    No special exception on observation? Gagner is a total bum and doesn’t have enough grit.

    Verify another’s observation? What are you talking about! Petry is soft and doesn’t engage in the corners.

    ;)

    Those responses drive me nuts and I run into them so often online.

    Sports, religion and politics all share that an inability to understand another person’s point of view is a basic requirement.

  152. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Barons win…

    apparently the shootout is crazy long in the AHL.

  153. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    Petry is not a target. Let’s reset the gun barrels. For the onslaught the man has had to endure, he has fought with character. You can’t blame him that we have sent him to Wimbledon with a badminton racquet – for way too long. Get what we need in a first pairing and let this man be a VERY effective 2nd pairing guy moving into his prime years.

  154. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    Woodguy,

    Totally agree with this.

  155. godot10 says:

    cabbiesmacker: I’m reading posts bottom to top so my apologies if you’re being sarcastic here but man, what a putrid trade from an Oiler standpoint.

    I want Gagner gone but not for a bum like Leino.

    Gagner should get a second I’d think and there’s zero reason to trade Petry and expect this D will ever mature.

    I said “prediction”. I didn’t say it was a good deal. Or something that the Oilers should do.

    The OIlers have a compliance buyout in their back pocket which they can monetize (on Leino). Petry is the new Tom Poti/Gilbert. Ekblad is two years away, and Buffalo or Calgary might pick him before the Oilers get a chance. Myers would be now. MacT needs a distraction in the worst way to get Eakins through the season.

  156. oilersfan says:

    What do you folks think of trading Klefbom for Ehrhoff? Then draft Draisaitl and bam Stanley cup!

  157. spoiler says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Yes we could agree to that, mere months after many of us agreed MacT had done a great job assembling nine (9) NHL-quality d-men so we could develop Marincin & Klefbom in the AHL this year.

    At least one of those things actually has happened, but stay tuned.

    Isn’t MacT on record as saying they’re hoping to bring Klefbom up after the Olympic break? The Xmas presser, IIRC?

    I don’t know if that is more indicative of their willingness to trade dmen at the deadline, or of Klefbom’s progress so far in OKC.

  158. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Ryan,

    Eg. http://lowetide.ca/blog/2013/07/oilers-add-grebeshkov.html

    I don’t think I’m being sarcastic to say there was an air of optimism here. Or maybe an err of optimism.

    Many shades of opinion, of course.

  159. Lowetide says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    Ryan,

    Eg. http://lowetide.ca/blog/2013/07/oilers-add-grebeshkov.html

    I don’t think I’m being sarcastic to say there was an air of optimism here. Or maybe an err of optimism.

    Many shades of opinion, of course.

    I swear to God McCurdy if this turns into a “why do you hate Smid, LT?” thread I’m going to block out the stars!!!!!

  160. book¡je says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    The funny thing with Smid is that I found myself noting his terrible statistics to ‘numbers’ guys like LT and Woodguy who were excited (thrilled really) to see him coming back – as though the KHL numbers (terrible) didn’t count.

    I think its because LT hated Smid so much and just wanted anyone to make him redundant.

  161. longway says:

    its a strange world now. i spend more time reading this blog than watching the oilers. thanks to all of you for the continued excellence of discussion, analysis and sparring :) Mr Lowetide, can i buy shares of this blog somehow? i’m a tad drunk, please excuse…

  162. flyfish1168 says:

    RexLibris: There should be some questions directed Hartley’s way as well.

    His lineup was intended to initiate a line brawl off the opening faceoff.

    Tortorella deserves a suspension for his actions in the 1st intermission, but the Flames deserve a slap on the wrist as well. Reminiscent of Scott going after Kessel in the pre-season.

    I agree. I look at torts and I think why not put out the 3rd line or 2nd line he had options to decide which way to play Hartle’y’s starting lineup.

    But there is no excuse during the intermission. For that he should be dealt with harshly. He gets away with being confrontational to often.

    I don’t mind that Harley didn’t acknowledge torts or the nuck players, He just needs to be responsible for his own.

  163. Gerta Rauss says:

    Is Gagner for Martin Erat a fit..? Money is almost the same. He’d fill the hole on wing when we move Hemsky.

    Erat’s had 3 penalties in the first 2 periods and is getting roasted on the Caps broadcast. He’d be a project for sure. I seem to remember him scoring all the time on the Oilers when he played for Nashville.

    Maybe we could convince the Caps to throw in one of their 9 goalies.

  164. Numenius says:

    gvblackhawk: Krueger did not have the horses last season.Moreover, some of his tactics were questionable.However, there is no doubt that the players put in the effort for him.I am too lazy right now to find the exact quotes but to paraphrase Yakupov:You just want to play your hardest for him….win games for him.

    Well put.

  165. zilong says:

    Colieo87:
    PosAgeTeamGPGAPPIM+/-TOI-TOT
    Zidlicky, Marek »D36NJD498172546421.76
    MacDonald, Andrew »D27NYI503192232-325.88
    Gilbert, Tom »D31FLA482161812-321.07
    Russell, Kris »D26CGY36412166123.66
    Morris, Derek »D35PHX364111529020.71
    Phillips, Chris »D35OTT461121318-320.04
    Corvo, Joe »D36OTT25371010-717.52
    Hainsey, Ron »D32CAR47371012-1121.20
    Butler, Chris »D27CGY4926827-1719.86
    Tallinder, Henrik »D35BUF3424620-1219.34
    Stuart, Mark »D29WPG3724655117.05
    Belov, Anton »D27EDM4315630-1117.94
    Robidas, Stephane »D36DAL2441512719.92
    Pardy, Adam »D29WPG2805526614.05
    Klesla, Rostislav »D31PHX2513424-315.51
    Fayne, Mark »D26NJD4012314018.02
    Martinek, Radek »D37NYI110334-115.78
    Potter, Corey »D30EDM1203321-113.91
    Schultz, Nick »D31EDM4903322-1616.68
    Gilroy, Matt »D29FLA161126-216.25
    Weaver, Mike »D35FLA4402217-1418.68
    Fortunus, Maxime »D30DAL10110116.28
    Grebeshkov, Denis »D30EDM70112013.69
    Sulzer, Alexander »D29BUF130114-219.11
    Smith, Derek »D29CGY140112-109.53
    Piskula, Joe »D29NAS20000112.18
    Whitney, Ryan »D30FLA60004-716.11
    Mottau, Mike »D35FLA70004-213.20
    Komisarek, Mike »D32CAR140004-111.61

    All free agent defense men this year,oilers management has some soul searching

    Not much here. MacDonald would be nice, but no5 sure NY will let him walk. I’ve supported acquiring Fayne before and would like to see him added. Robidas was a very good and underrated defenseman, but it looks like he’s slowing down.

    Outside of signing players from another league, it looks like additions will have to come via trade.

    There were rumors of WPG shaking things up and I think Byfglien would be a nice addition, but the price might be high and he has a no movement clause. Maybe we could smuggle out his teammate Clitsome for cheap.

  166. Woodguy says:

    denny33:
    Woodguy,

    Realistically, are there any 1Ds defenceman even available….?

    Just not seen anyone say, x team looking to move their 1d…..

    Very cool on Mac T- just not sure ( hopefully I am wrong ) anyone can expect him to obtain – a legitimate 1D. And, on the remote chance he finds someone, I think the price he pays will shock people.

    Its either pay the price or lose the team I think.

    Hall has gone through 4 years of shit and looks mentally checked out already.

    They can’t wait for the Dkids to get old.

    They just can’t.

    I think MacT knows that.

  167. Woodguy says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Yes we could agree to that, mere months after many of us agreed MacT had done a great job assembling nine (9) NHL-quality d-men so we could develop Marincin & Klefbom in the AHL this year.

    At least one of those things actually has happened, but stay tuned.

    Well we didn’t see him moving Smid and forcing all the LHD up a notch.

    They were about 46CF% before the Smid move with a lot of road games and about 42% since.

    Not that Smid was any screaming hell, but he and Petry weren’t getting killed at 1st pairing.

    Ference-J.Shultz are getting slaughtered almost every night.

    Ference-Petry were ok at 1st pairing, but that left the other 2 pairs very exposed.

    I thought the Dcorps would be better and over-estimated the quality, but the Smid trade threw it off the rails.

  168. HiddenDarts says:

    longway:
    its a strange world now. i spend more time reading this blog than watching the oilers. thanks to all of you for the continued excellence of discussion, analysis and sparring Mr Lowetide, can i buy shares of this blog somehow? i’m a tad drunk, please excuse…

    I’d like to second this. This blog is far less frustrating and a billion times more fun than the actual Oilers.

    Oh, how I long for those exciting days in 2010-11. Now that, my friends, WAS HOCKEY!

  169. Lowetide says:

    Panic At the Disco

    http://www.puckrant.com/slapshot/panic-at-the-disco

    In which I tell you the name of the player Edmonton will receive for Sam Gagner.

  170. Woodguy says:

    spoiler: Dubinsky and Stastny are my two. I think I throw Stepan in there too, but he may be the least available.Not that any one of them really should be.Oh, and if it is O’Reilly instead of Stastny, that’s okay too, lol.

    Dubinsky is more of a MacT type than Stastny.

    I’d be happy with either.

    Stastny seems to haven’t gotten past his injury issues.

    Dubinsky is up there with Hemsky for time missed every year.

    MSM would give him a pass though.

    Tough North American and all…….

  171. RexLibris says:

    flyfish1168: Rex

    My comments over at FN were basically thus: given the gulf separating these two teams in the standings, there was absolutely no rationale for Hartley starting that group. And it would be naive to think that those players weren’t more or less given to understand what was expected of them. This is inciting violence for no justifiable reason.

    I’m not saying that Hartley should be suspended, but I would expect that the league fine the Flames for pulling a stunt like this. They’ve already put in place punishments for fighting during the final minutes of a game, and to some extent this situation has some similarities.

    If it were the second of a back-to-back where some animosity were carried over from a previous on-ice incident, I could understand.

    It wasn’t and the actions of both parties need to be recognized and called to task.

  172. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: Rex

    Laughed out loud at that one.

    On that note, at least you have reason to dislike Smid, what with that horrible colour scheme he is forced to wear now.

    ;)

  173. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:

    Panic At the Disco

    http://www.puckrant.com/slapshot/panic-at-the-disco

    In which I tell you the name of the player Edmonton will receive for Sam Gagner.

    Oh my! If the Oilers could get Maatta for Gagner I’d be over the moon – and hence likely blocking out Bruce’s stars, so two for one there.

    I’m not enthusiastic about adding more greenhorn blueliners to the group, but Maatta would be full value for Gagner and would allow the Oilers to make some more interesting adjustments to address some other areas of need.

    Could Shero really be so bold as to make that move? Every year he seems to go hunting for Crosby, and he’s made deals for Hossa, Morrow, and Ponikarovsky in the past. Not to mention the Murray acquisition last year.

    Anything is possible, I suppose.

  174. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    Panic At the Disco

    http://www.puckrant.com/slapshot/panic-at-the-disco

    In which I tell you the name of the player Edmonton will receive for Sam Gagner.

    So you’re thinking Matta eh?

    I know they really like Pouliot (not your Poo, sorry) so may let Matta go, but Matta made the team as a 19 year old. He’s going to be really good.

    MacT did allude to trading for a Dman still on ELC……

    I doubt you get him for just Gagner.

    Maybe not though.

    Genius and GM of the Year Rejan Shero paid 2 2nds for immobile object Murray, so who knows?

    Would like that trade, but that gives the Oilers more of what they have, Young LHD with no established 1st pairing guy.

    Good young LHD would then be Matta, Marincin, Nurse, Klefbom.

    Maybe adding Matta allows them to sell one of the other 3 (or 2, I don’t think they move Nurse) with other assets for a real 1LHD?

    1LHD-Petry
    Matta-J.Shultz
    Ference-?

    That might work.

    Would prefer J.Shultz gets developed like Tippett developed Yandle.

    This is Yandle’s 7th full NHL season and he just got off the 3rd pairing this year now that Tippett trusts him with tougher assignments. Has been 1PP for a long time though.

    They gotta get Ference off the 1st pairing, they just gotta.

  175. justDOit says:

    Lowetide:

    Panic At the Disco…

    Is it beside the arcade?

  176. eidy says:

    Man the 49ers are not getting the calls and Harbaugh’s face is even better than Eakins.

    Luck has a lot to do with draft development and it happened that for 2 of the 3 overalls the best player was a winger. Still glad we got who we got, but it would have been interesting if Galchenyuk would have been healthy all year. Love Hall and Yakcity but having the best wingers is like having the best middle relievers. It’s nice, but I would take starting pitching all day.

    The last draft seemed to have more focus on C and I hope that it continues. I think Death rattle (or recital for Romulus) is the best fit, but Reinhart, or Bennet would probably work as well. For defense the need for prospects is less and the need for NHL talent is way more.

    For the 20 days that the NHL is on break, what should be done with Yak. Is there any value for him going to OKC to play for 6 games and get his swagger back?

  177. Truth says:

    Unrelated, I apologize.

    1997 oilers / stars game 7 on espn classic right now if you can. Awesome hockey.

    I’m counting about 5-7 incidents per shift that would be penalties now that go uncalled. Also, Ryan Smyth. He deserves another contract for his work in this game alone, albeit 14 years ago. Hatcher, just as much of a prick as I remember.

  178. Lowetide says:

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1928210-predicting-which-top-nhl-veterans-will-retire-after-2013-14/page/11

    In which I retire all the people I don’t like, and one who I have loved watching since Winnipeg.

  179. OilFire says:

    DeadmanWaking: It must be a powerful impulse at that age to grant immortality to the perviest muddle of angst and expectation about the human body that ever entered the juvenile mind cold-cranking its dormant circuitry.Lust!Power!To define is divine

    This reminds me of a Robertson Davies’ line that I’ve always held onto as an illuminating caricature of hormone addled teens– a drive to get somehow near sexual things regardless of how much they actually understand them:

    “I pieced out the enjoyment of the fair like a gourmet savouring a feast. Begin at the bottom, with what was least amusing. That would be the Women’s Institute display of bottled pickles, embalmed fruit, doilies, home-cooking, and “fancy-work”. Then the animals, the huge draught-horses, the cows with enormous udders, the prize bull (though I did not go very near to him, for some of my schoolmates were lingering there, to snigger and work themselves up into a horny stew, gaping at his enormous testicles)…”

  180. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide,

    Related to this article, I have to call upon your wisdom here to make a very important decision.

    I’ve got a choice between the two Ducks games to end the year, March 28th or April 6th. Hoping to see Selanne at Rexall, but I’m stuck trying to predict if there is one he is more likely to dress for.

    My guess is the earlier as I suspect he’ll rest for the end of the season prior to playoffs.

    Your thoughts?

  181. RexLibris says:

    OilFire,

    Robertson Davies.

    One of Canada’s greatest gifts to the printed word.

    Marchbanks Papers should be required reading.

  182. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy,

    So maybe it is Gagner and a D prospect like Simpson or Musil or Gernat for Maatta and a pick?

    Who knows, but that would be awfully nice.

    And the added angle that Maatta was passed over by the Flames for Jankowski in 2012 would just increase my appreciation of the move. Every point he got against them would be savoured.

  183. RexLibris says:

    Peter Gammons weighs in on the Canucks/Flames brouhaha

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=441649

  184. Lowetide says:

    RexLibris:
    Lowetide,

    Related to this article, I have to call upon your wisdom here to make a very important decision.

    I’ve got a choice between the two Ducks games to end the year, March 28th or April 6th. Hoping to see Selanne at Rexall, but I’m stuck trying to predict if there is one he is more likely to dress for.

    My guess is the earlier as I suspect he’ll rest for the end of the season prior to playoffs.

    Your thoughts?

    That’s the right call.

  185. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide,

    Thanks, I thought so.

  186. stevezie says:

    I wonder what would have more value, our sure-thing high pick this year, or our lottery ticket to the Conner McDavid lottery next year?

  187. spoiler says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: The other thing about Houck is that last year esp. the Giants were brutally bad. This year they are mediocre. So, it’s not like he’s playing with a bunch of crazy talent.

    Yep. This really is a good-looking draft right now. The one thing that seems to be prevalent in most successful rebuilds is obtaining/having a lot of draft picks. MacT looks pretty smart IMO for accumulating more dice rolls at the draft table, after they missed their guy. When luck is the biggest factor, more is the safest route.

    This year at present looks disappointing for draft picks. Obviously MacT is gonna change that situation over the next month, but it is probably going to take another trade-down on draft day to have a full bandolier of bullets.

  188. spoiler says:

    Woodguy: They can’t wait for the Dkids to get old.

    They just can’t.

    I think MacT knows that

    I’ve been wondering (to myself) lately if Marincin is up here to get his ass traded.

  189. jp says:

    Woodguy: I do that if Hemsky is signed.

    I thought before that Gagner could provide ~80% of the offence that Eberle does in Eberle’s spot, but now I’m not are sold on that idea.

    I think 1LD is more important than 2C, so if Eberle’s your one big bullet, I’d prefer it gets spent on 1LD.

    This of course assumes the trade partner is looking for scoring wings in return for 1LD.

    It’s going to be really annoying when Gagner returns to the player he actually is with another team. The size and defensive issues are real, but he’s got a ton of skill that he basically hasn’t shown at all this year (this is the worst season of his career by PPG).

    I still think he (whenever he gets his mojo back) can provide 80% of Eberle’s offense, but he’s doing a great job of raising doubts about it.

    Also, 100% agree that 1LD is priority #1, and the biggest bullet spent (whatever that is) should be on a 1st pairing dman.

  190. eidy says:

    Lowetide,

    man I was hoping for a 3 for 1 trade, but no one else seems to bring it up

  191. Hammers says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: No. Gags didn’t go the other way. As abysmal as he’s been this year, he was worse last year.

    http://www.extraskater.com/player/576/sam-gagner

    Hemsky is much much better this year and was “fit” last year. He didn’t have any injury trouble until that broken foot

    http://www.extraskater.com/player/577/ales-hemsky

    Exactly Broken foot and he dropped off last year .

  192. Lowetide says:

    eidy:
    Lowetide,

    man I was hoping for a 3 for 1 trade, but no one else seems to bring it up

    I’ve never actually heard of that. :-)

  193. russ99 says:

    spoiler,

    Nonsense. He’s the one keeper on D at this point, IMO.

    I can’t wait to see how much more Marincin improves after playing D with Chara in Sochi for a few weeks.

    The braintrust decided to rebuild backwards, so we’re going to have to be patient with the D kids, that’s the one sure way to get top pairing guys.

    Right when the arena opens seems to be a good ETA on that.

  194. jp says:

    russ99:
    spoiler,

    The braintrust decided to rebuild backwards, so we’re going to have to be patient with the D kids, that’s the one sure way to get top pairing guys.

    You know, this gets mentioned a lot, and it did work out that way. But people forget that the Oilers had just acquired Whitney when Hall was drafted. Then healthy Whitney put up a dream half season the year Nuge was drafted. Whitney sure looked like a first pairing D for his first 54 games in an Oilers uniform (54-5-33-38-+20-55). Plus Gilbert, Smid, Peckham. There were some nice young D at that point who didn’t pan out for various reasons (or did and were sent away). At least in 2010, the greater need sure seemed to be skilled forwards.

    Agreed about Marincin. Crazy he’s going to the Olympics. But great!

  195. Woodguy says:

    jp: You know, this gets mentioned a lot, and it did work out that way. But people forget that the Oilers had just acquired Whitney when Hall was drafted. Then healthy Whitney put up a dream half season the year Nuge was drafted. Whitney sure looked like a first pairing D for his first 54 games in an Oilers uniform (54-5-33-38-+20-55). Plus Gilbert, Smid, Peckham. There were some nice young D at that point who didn’t pan out for various reasons (or did and were sent away). At least in 2010, the greater need sure seemed to be skilled forwards.

    Agreed about Marincin. Crazy he’s going to the Olympics. But great!

    Except Whitney was an awful bet and had an injury history.

    We seem to remember the incredible 35 games he had in 10/11 and think that is what he was always like.

    The truth is much different.

    His Goals For ON% those 35 games was 61.7%, which is an incredible number. Crosby has a career GF% of 61.8%. Other good players have numbers like 53% (Corey Perry).

    Whitney’s GF% when he played for PIT was 50.3%
    When he played for ANA it was 50.8%
    Excluding the magic 35 games, in Edmonton he was 45.7%.

    Whitney was never a good possession player.

    His CF% over his career is right around 45%.

    After his last ankle surgery it was 40% (both EDM and FLA)

    It was a terrible trade from day 1, but the amazing 35 games makes us think differently.

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