MAKING IT TO THE SHOW

Craig MacTavish returned from the World Juniors and told us about Aaron Ekblad, and then told us that the first round pick had high value. That indicates a lot of things could be possible, but the number one tell is this: Oklahoma City Barons are going to have a mammoth opportunity in the season’s final 35 games.

Consider the number of players who could be traded between now and the deadline:

  • C Sam Gagner
  • R Ales Hemsky
  • D Nick Schultz
  • D Anton Belov
  • G Devan Dubnyk
  • G Ilya Bryzgalov

Those are the UFA’s who could go (I don’t think Ryan Smyth will) along with Gagner; that’s a lot of at-bats heading out of town (potentially) over the next two months. There’s every chance Edmonton will trade many of these players for prospects and picks, and that may mean some of the current Barons get an NHL shot. We’re already seeing the auditions on defense, it could happen with the forwards and goaltenders soon.

BARONS IN THE NHL THIS SEASON

  1. Mark Arcobello 34, 4-13-17
  2. Phil Larsen 16, 1-5-6
  3. Will Acton 23, 2-1-3
  4. Taylor Fedun 4, 2-0-2
  5. Ben Eager 7, 0-1-1
  6. Tyler Pitlick 3, 1-0-1
  7. Anton Lander 12, 0-0-0
  8. Martin Marincin 8, 0-0-0
  9. Brad Hunt 3, 0-0-0
  10. Ryan Hamilton 2, 0-0-0
  11. Roman Horak 1, 0-0-0
  12. Linus Omark 1, 0-0-0
  13. Richard Bachman 3, 3.02 .916

The NHL Oilers have had 920 man games to use this season (46 games, 20 men dress). Barons players and callups have played in 117 games, or about 13%. It’s roughly equivalent to 2.5 Barons playing a full 82-game schedule for the Oilers this year, and that seems about right.

And it’s going to go up.

CURRENT BARONS PROSPECTS

  1. Andrew Miller 35, 5-13-18
  2. Anton Lander 19, 10-7-17
  3. Taylor Fedun 26, 4-13-17
  4. Brad Hunt 27, 3-12-15
  5. Roman Horak 20, 6-7-13
  6. Martin Gernat 24, 2-10-12
  7. Curtis Hamilton 19, 5-4-9
  8. Ryan Martindale 20, 2-6-8
  9. Tyler Pitlick 17, 1-6-7
  10. Will Acton 13, 4-2-6
  11. Travis Ewanyk 35, 3-2-5
  12. Kale Kessy 29, 2-3-5
  13. Austin Fyten 15, 0-4-4
  14. David Musil 22, 0-3-3
  15. Oscar Klefbom 27, 0-3-3
  16. Brandon Davidson 29, 0-3-3
  17. Ty Rimmer 3, 2.65 .930
  18. Chet Pickard 3. 2.78 .906
  19. Richard Bachman 16, 3.14 .905
  20. Tyler Bunz 4, 3.15 .914
  21. Laurent Brossoit 7, 3.53 .885

A major opportunity for these young men. They play tonight, tomorrow and Saturday. There’s every chance we’ll see one of more of them in Edmonton by the end of this month. (Brossoit photo by Rob Ferguson, all rights reserved)

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  1. Hammers says:

    Hopefully we see Pitlick again along with Fedun & Klefbom . These guys need to go the next step or be traded . Klefbom bothers me the most as everything we heard was he was nearly ready . Lander in many ways was screwed over by Renney & Tambo as he didn’t get the time he needed in the AHL his first year and who knows what that does to a kids head . LT you seem to think McT will discard him but I hope not as there is something there . Intersting times coming in the next 30 days .

  2. hoser313 says:

    - Absolutely. Bring up some Barons and get games for the guys who haven’t had them yet.

    - Wonder what it would take to re-sign Hemsky. Probably too much for the Oil’s needs but I hope they at least consider it.

    - Personally, I think Belov can play. Moves the puck well. Now unfortunately the biggest D on the Oilers. Should be possible to improve his acceleration/footspeed a bit over the summer unlike Whitney who had lingering injuries. Maybe he can sign a 2 year deal.

    - Someone posted here recently a comparison of DD and Bryz in their time with the Oil. Seems to me there is little to choose between them, so the higher valued player (to other teams) should be shipped out at some point.

  3. Ontario Oilers Fan says:

    Just heard a rumour out of Montreal: PK will not resign for Habs unless $54M over 6 years. I say package Gagner, Yaks & our 2nd in June

  4. Ontario Oilers Fan says:

    If possible, I see Habs doing a 3 way for a big fwd & a big D 3-4 pairing

  5. Lowetide says:

    OKC Barons Gameday ‏@BaronsGameDay 26s

    Starting lineup for the #OKCBarons: FW: C. Hamilton – Stretch – Kessy; D: Davidson – Hunt; G: Bachman

  6. vesci says:

    LT

    C Hamilton has been on a bit of a run lately. Are these the line mates he has been playing with?

  7. gr8one says:

    So out think the majority of Oiler moves will be pre Sochi then?

  8. Lowetide says:

    vesci:
    LT

    C Hamilton has been on a bit of a run lately. Are these the line mates he has been playing with?

    Yes. It’s the 2010 draft line. :-)

  9. Lowetide says:

    gr8one:
    So out think the majority of Oiler moves will be pre Sochi then?

    It’s hard to say. I do think they’d like to get it done but there’s almost nothing going on right now. Suspect it heats up very soon.

  10. digdeepnbleedblue says:

    I think that’s a typo. That line has R. Hamilton on it. Curtis is with Acton and Pitlick.

    Pitlick with a PP Goal from Lander.

    2 shots for Pitlick and 1 for C. Hamilton after one.

  11. Hammers says:

    Go OKC ..We need at least 2 of these guys to move up but Who will it be .

  12. G Money says:

    According to that MacT article, there have been 12 “deals” made this season, and the Oilers have been in on 4 of them.

    - Apart from the usual deadline gearing up by contenders, what else might trigger an avalanche of deals (or even a single big one)?

    - The deal volume is stunningly low considering that the last lockout triggered a huge number of changes, including of course the CFP move. Man, it must have be frustrating for MacT with so many changes needed, must feel like running in quicksand to make it happen.

    - That said, I wish that he would stop promising that those changes will happen for sure and quickly (as in, “Those things are going to be rectified in short order.”) We get that you’re trying to make it happen, and some of that is player development, and that you do mention how tough the trade aspect is (“We’re trying to do something. We’d be crazy not to. We just have to keep grinding away, having conversations until there’s something that makes sense”). But fans will only remember the first sentence, not the last, and it just ratchets up the frustration level as time goes by.

  13. VanOil says:

    Given that Gardiner is a healthy scratch again tonight do Nick Schultz and David Musil get him out of Toronto? This being based on the assumption that Carlyle is an idiot. Nick Schultz’s wisdom and experience should help his young D. The Leafs faithful seam to think the can get Ryan O’Reilly for him.

  14. fifthcartel says:

    I wonder if Gagner for Gardiner is something you can pry out due to their situation.

  15. digdeepnbleedblue says:

    Teams I think could use the Oilers top trade chips. I picked these teams with the thinking that they wouldn’t give up a roster player.

    For example, maybe Toronto swaps Kadri (man, his muck it up style would look good with Perron on that 2nd line!) for Gagner. Oil would need to eat contract… But, if a team was willing to do that it would change my list of possibles.

    Food for thought: That 2nd line has been a place where good men have gone to die this season. Now that’s aside from the last few where Yakupov has up’d his game.

    Also, D-men are the priority for any return. IMO

    The list:

    Hemsky or Gagner as a RW– Predators, Islanders, Penguins, Sharks

    Gagner as C – Devils, Canucks (Charge them out the ass!)

    N.Schultz – Bruins, Sharks, Lightning, Flyers, Rangers, Predators, Devils, Islanders, Blackhawks

    Dubnyk or Bryzgalov (I’d sign him for 2mil if he gets a little better and stays sane… for a goalie) – Bruins, Blue Jackets, Islanders

    Smyth – I’d keep the vet too. If he signs for one year at reasonable dollars.

    Of course injuries would change teams needs…..

  16. GordM says:

    What’s the term you often use Lowetide…sundial?

    http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/2014/01/devils_assign_defenseman_adam_larsson_to_albany_ahl.html

    only a 2011 draftee…but a sobering reminder not to get too giddy over an Ekblad/Nurse pairing anytime soon.

  17. misfit says:

    I could actually see everyone on that list being gone by the deadline with the exception of the goalies. They just don’t seem to move much on deadline day. Most contending teams usually have goaltending in place already, and if they DID have an injury in the crease, a Dubnyk/Bryzgalov level replacement probably isn’t going to do them much good.

    Of course, I think if Gagner is moved, it’ll probably be after the season. Maybe at the draft, and hopefully before July 1, but the NTC kicking in really doesn’t mean much I would guess. If MacT is looking to trade him somewhere he wants to go, then you’d have to think he’d waive anyway.

  18. denny33 says:

    If he is still there at numer two, can there be any doubt now that we should select Ekblad?

  19. gogliano says:

    There should always be a doubt picking a Dman, given recent draft history.

    Relatedly: 3 point game in Buffalo-Florida tilt.

  20. Gret99zky says:

    “Oh she may get wooly,
    women do get wooly,
    because of all the stress…”

  21. misfit says:

    I like the Islanders as a destination for Sam, but not as much as a trade partner for the Oil.

    If this experiment at RW works, then I think the Islanders is a great fit.

    They will probably lose Vanek to free agency if they don’t move him at TDL. At center they have Tavares, Strome, Nielson, and Cizikas. Bailey is a converted C playing LW and Brock Nelson has been playing wing this year as well.

    At LW they have Grabner, Bailey, Nelson, and Martin.

    At RW they’re Okposo, Clutterbuck, and Colin McDonald. Not exactly murderer’s row, but add Gagner, and it’s instantly pretty respectable.

    Add the fact that he’s Tavares’ best buddy and the fact that they’re about $30M under next year’s cap, and you’ve got yourself a bona fide destination for Samwise.

    Now, back to the return. That’s the part that worries me with the Islanders. Apparently MacT wants a top 6 F, top 4 D, or a starting G. They don’t have a goalie anywhere in their system. Hamonic isn’t going anywhere, and the rest of their top 4 is made up of upcoming UFAs, prospects, and players on the verge of retirement. So that leaves top 6 forwards. Okposo, Tavares, and Strome are going nowhere. Grabner wouldn’t be a target of mine, and Nielson would be great, but probably not available for Gagner. That leaves Bailey, who would probably be a fine 3LW, but not something I would be too excited to add.

  22. nycoil says:

    GordM:
    What’s the term you often use Lowetide…sundial?

    http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/2014/01/devils_assign_defenseman_adam_larsson_to_albany_ahl.html

    only a 2011 draftee…but a sobering reminder not to get too giddy over an Ekblad/Nurse pairing anytime soon.

    Would love to buy low on Larsson. Get good players.

  23. VanOil says:

    denny33:
    If he is still there at numer two, can there be any doubt now that we should select Ekblad?

    Yes. See GordM comment above on Adam Larson. If Ekblad is there you trade the pick, he is magic beans. Even in the unlikely scenario that he lives up to the hype it will take 7 years for him to get there. I discount his admittedly very good players his own age due to his advanced physical maturity, this will not be so when he plays against men. Trading down the pick to a get a draft falling Draisaitl (according to some Allan Mitchell guy over at B/R) seems like the smart move.

  24. Woodguy says:

    There’s every chance Edmonton will trade many of these players for prospects and picks, and that may mean some of the current Barons get an NHL shot.

    Really?

    The time for prospects and picks is over.

    Really, you have 4 rentals and 24 year old with a 3 year contract on your list so Gagner can’t go for P and P, but the others could.

    I think the might re-sign Hemsky if Gagner and another RW leave town before July 1.

    Risaug agreed with Gregor that Hemsky could fetch a 1st at the TD. Risaug choked as the words came out.

    I don’t think Mact moves 89 for P and P.

  25. digdeepnbleedblue says:

    misfit,

    G. Reinhart. Might have to add, but that would be the cats ass!

  26. VanOil says:

    nycoil: Would love to buy low on Larsson. Get good players.

    Agreed. I would of preferred Smid to have been traded for a return like Larsson.

  27. teddyturnbuckle says:

    So who are the oilers going to sign for twice as much as they are worth this year and then try to trade them next year? Smid, Ganger , …………?

  28. digdeepnbleedblue says:

    teddyturnbuckle,

    I agree. Smid signed for too much… as did Gagner. Gagner was a player that had to be signed at whatever cost, though. They couldn’t lose that asset for nothing.

    What they get for Gagner will be key for the next season.

  29. 8p0intgame says:

    VanOil,

    No. Not only is Nick Schultz the worst defenceman on the twenty-ninth place (see: second to last) team in the NHL, he is the worst defenceman on a team that has employed four(!) rookie D-men, one defenceman that would have qualified for Lowetide’s summer top 20 prospects list if it weren’t for the lockout-shortened season last year and another that has played less than 100 NHL games this season. Every single defenceman that has been unfortunate enough to be paired with Schultz has performed worse. The only thing he has going for him is his pending UFA status. He is a cap-unfriendly rental.

    As for David Musil, he isn’t exactly blowing the doors off the AHL with .130 PPG.

    Schultz + Musil for Gardiner reminds of me Tambellini offering Jones + 2nd for Bishop.

    My frustration is directed solely you at VanOil. Schultz has no value whatsoever. He has effectively played himself out of the league. If he gets a new contract from anyone this summer, I will be shocked. I just sick of reading Nick Schultz plus other castoffs for the best player in the trade proposals.

  30. oliveoilers says:

    My goodness, it’s happening again and nobody here seems concerned? MacT now hints that we’ll KEEP the pick? Our one commodity GUARUNTEED to bring something of value back. This is nuts. We’ll get magic beans for those players unless we package and we need help NOW. MacT himself said we do not need another 18yo coming in, and boys, quite frankly, I wasn’t impressed with any of them during the WJC. Ekblad looked to have real foot speed problems. I sounds like MacT has shopped the pick and been rebuffed, now 29 other GM’s are letting us wallow in our own filth. I like MacT but he needs to start walking the walk.

  31. oliveoilers says:

    digdeepnbleedblue:
    misfit,

    G. Reinhart. Might have to add, but that would be the cats ass!

    No he wouldn’t. Not for two years at least. Have we not learned our lesson? We need NHL players otherwise we stay the Edmonton Thrashers.

  32. digdeepnbleedblue says:

    oliveoilers,

    If they can draft Eklbad they should keep it. I didn’t see your concerns when I watched the WJC. In fact, I believe he may be closer to the show than you think. It’s up to the player, not on how others have developed historically. JMO

    Same goes for the big G….

    Also, don’t believe the hype. Just ’cause MacT has said what he wants to do in the past doesn’t mean he’s not playing cat and mouse now. Just some food for thought….

  33. "Steve Smith" says:

    Unrelatedly, here is the latest from the inimitable Sean McIndoe (Down Goes Brown), in which he purports to answer eleven questions from each of five different perspectives (his own, a stathead’s, the crusty old anti-empiricist’s, a hockey Gord’s with a sense of humour, and that of the worst hockey fan you know). Oilers content:

    1. McIndoe says that, from his perspective, the Oilers are the bottom-feeder most likely to salvage some respect for the balance of the season.

    2. The worst hockey fan you know answers the question “Who should be the next coach or GM fired?” with “Dallas Eakins has been given more than enough time. Time for the Oilers to hire Mike Keenan!” So, yeah.

    And, of course, like everything McIndoe writes, it’s hilarious.

  34. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Hahahahaha Suck it Nucks!!!

    Hamilton (Ryan), from Lander with 4 secs left to send it to OT…

    hahahahaha.

    ———
    Watching this team without Omark… all the offence is run through Lander.

    I think giving up on this player would be frightfully stupid at this point.

  35. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    There’s every chance Edmonton will trade many of these players for prospects and picks, and that may mean some of the current Barons get an NHL shot.

    Really?

    The time for prospects and picks is over.

    Really, you have 4 rentals and 24 year old with a 3 year contract on your list so Gagner can’t go for P and P, but the others could.

    I think the might re-sign Hemsky if Gagner and another RW leave town before July 1.

    Risaug agreed with Gregor that Hemsky could fetch a 1st at the TD.Risaug choked as the words came out.

    I don’t think Mact moves 89 for P and P.

    I don’t know how you got “trade Gagner for picks and prospects” out of “There’s every chance Edmonton will trade MANY of these players for prospects and picks, and that may mean some of the current Barons get an NHL shot” but be that as it may, I think the Oilers cash much of what they have to offer at the deadline for picks or prospects.

    I don’t want to see the NHL player another team would be willing to give for a Nick Schultz rental, as a for instance.

  36. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Taylor Fedun wins it!!!!!

  37. VanOil says:

    8p0intgame:
    VanOil,

    My frustration is directed solely you at VanOil. Schultz has no value whatsoever. He has effectively played himself out of the league. If he gets a new contract from anyone this summer, I will be shocked. I just sick of reading Nick Schultz plus other castoffs for the best player in the trade proposals.

    I take full responsibility for Nick Schultz being a terrible NHL player. But no responsibility what so ever on Randy Carlyle being a very bad hockey coach. You are welcome.

  38. oliveoilers says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Hahahahaha Suck it Nucks!!!

    Hamilton (Ryan), from Lander with 4 secs left to send it to OT…

    hahahahaha.

    ———
    Watching this team without Omark… all the offence is run through Lander.

    I think giving up on this player would be frightfully stupid at this point.

    Alex Giroux Mk.II

    Seriously though, I just can’t imagine all offense going through him at the next level. Didn’t see any offense through him at all in his cup of coffee. Just nice solid play. And if that’s all he does, then that’s awesome too.

  39. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    That Larsson article makes it sound like more of a conditioning stint than a true demotion.

  40. Halfwise says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Taylor Fedun wins it!!!!!

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    Taylor Fedun wins it!!!!!

    I’ll have a small Scotch, drinking to LT. Longmorn for me

  41. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    oliveoilers: Alex Giroux Mk.II

    Seriously though, I just can’t imagine all offense going through him at the next level.Didn’t see any offense through him at all in his cup of coffee.Just nice solid play.And if that’s all he does, then that’s awesome too.

    He’ll never be an offensive NHLer. But there was a time in the not too distant past where it looked like no offense was ever going to come in North America.

    Well… he’s killing it in the AHL right now. If you watch a few Baron games this year, you notice him immediately. Strong on the dot; tenacious in his own zone; offensive flare.

    He just needs to bring some of it to the NHL to be effective. That’s how it usually works for bottom 6 players.

  42. Lowetide says:

    Anton Lander, 3 assists tonight. He should be playing 4line C tomorrow night at Rexall.

  43. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide:
    Anton Lander, 3 assists tonight. He should be playing 4line C tomorrow night at Rexall.

    What? You think putting 94 there might be problematic?

  44. 8p0intgame says:

    VanOil,

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

    Damn typo…

  45. RexLibris says:

    Call Lander up?

    I’d rather not.

    Not that I want Smyth playing C, but if Lander is going right now let’s leave him there to keep it going and take another look next season.

    I’ve been in love with prospects for as long as I’ve been a fan, but I think the Oilers have made some mistakes these past few years when they sell off at the deadline and then promote prospects to the NHL based on positional need and the slimmest of margins of merit.

  46. Lowetide says:

    RexLibris:
    Call Lander up?

    I’d rather not.

    Not that I want Smyth playing C, but if Lander is going right now let’s leave him there to keep it going and take another look next season.

    I’ve been in love with prospects for as long as I’ve been a fan, but I think the Oilers have made some mistakes these past few years when they sell off at the deadline and then promote prospects to the NHL based on positional need and the slimmest of margins of merit.

    True, but for me Lander’s recent AHL numbers (28, 15-13-28 including playoffs in the spring) suggests he can do it down there and there’s one step left. Call him up, put him between Smyth and Jones and run that line for 35 games.

  47. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: True, but for me Lander’s recent AHL numbers (28, 15-13-28 including playoffs in the spring) suggests he can do it down there and there’s one step left. Call him up, put him between Smyth and Jones and run that line for 35 games.

    That’s the wise move.

    But I don’t see how you get 20 out of the lineup from here. And, at some point 6 is going to draw back in.

    Of course, if some names drop from the roster, we might see some more room.

    ——–
    5-0 STL over CGY

  48. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Omark played his 7th game tonight, nearly halfway.

    Oddly, he wasn’t used in the shootout.

  49. Fixall with Rexall says:

    Calgary gets shutout 5 times in the last ten games and potentially 6 in the last 11 and they have a better record than us.

  50. till_horcoff_is_coach says:

    Targets I’d like to see:
    O’Reilly (after March 1)
    Bjugstad
    Couturier

    Nultz is not getting these, but Gagner, 1st rnd, Marincin, Dubnyk, Simpson are all bonafide trading chips (I’d add Jultz as well but doubt the Mac does).

    Sounds like the GM is planning on a player coming back with the talk in the jones article highlighting the next trade (doubt he speaks highly of the next one if it’s just for prospects).

  51. Bulging Twine says:

    Warren Rychel, part-owner and GM of the Windsor Spitfires, totally bashes Brent Sutter’s coaching at the World Jr’s:

    http://proxy.autopod.ca/podcasts/chum/192/18771/14.01.09%20warren%20rychel%20with%20lee%2067s%20intermission%20(graham.creech).mp3

    Starts at 6:04.

  52. Bulging Twine says:
  53. Gerta Rauss says:

    till_horcoff_is_coach,

    I agree about ROR-he’s the guy I’d back up the Brinks truck for.

    I doubt COL is in any hurry to trade him before the end of the season-they’ve got a playoff run/playoff revenue to consider. I’m not sure how much animosity is left after the negotiations with the last contract and how COL feels about qualifying him at $6.5M-and then add term on top of that.

    That being said, much of the management has turned over since the negotiations, so that may not be an issue at all and maybe ROR is in their long term plans.

  54. Bulging Twine says:

    Rychel also bashes the player selection.

    Some highlights:
    “we had players playing out of position and the coach wouldn’t make a change”
    “Connor McDavid didn’t play and then he gets put in ice cold for a shoot out attempt”
    “this is a 19 year old tournament and we had 10 – ’95 born players and younger. Yeah you bring in McDavid and Ekblad, they are that good, but you need 19 year olds….”

  55. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide,

    I’d love for it to happen. I want Lander to gradually develop into the player to replace Gordon. I suppose I’ve just seen the Oilers do this so many times these past four years that it is getting tiresome watching prospects do well in the AHL, come up and struggle only to lose confidence.

    I guess we’ll see.

  56. RexLibris says:

    Fixall with Rexall,

    They got that back in October and November. They’re effort is beginning to wane as this season takes its toll and what offense they did find has gone completely cold, specifically Stempniak and Cammalleri.

    Should be interesting to see what Burke, or his replacement, gets for either player at the deadline.

  57. Gerta Rauss says:

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/edmonton-oilers/Edmonton+Oilers+Gagner/9369556/story.html

    Joanne Ireland’s latest with quotes from Gagner re: trade rumours

  58. Wes Mantooth-11 says:

    Lowetide

    Do you think MacTavish makes a push for that #1 pick? Sell off or trade those remaining players, sign Smyth & let the AHL players have the last 30 or so?

    That to me sounds like two things, 1) get a good long look at some of the AHL players 2) securing that pick in the 1-2 range.

    Sounds like MacTavish has his mind made up who he wants to draft anyways.

  59. denny33 says:

    VanOil,

    Interesting……how do the oilers obtain a legitimate first pairing then?

    I think Nurse and Ekblad could anchor this team for ten years…..granted, no guarantees.

    Top stud d-men, usually come from the draft…..

  60. Henry says:

    Halfwise:
    I’ll have a small Scotch, drinking to LT. Longmorn for me

    A fine choice. Very fine.

  61. VanOil says:

    denny33:
    VanOil,

    Interesting……how do the oilers obtain a legitimate first pairing then?

    I think Nurse and Ekblad could anchor this team for ten years…..granted, no guarantees.

    Top stud d-men, usually come from the draft…..

    We could already have one or two in: Marincin, Kelfbom, Simpson, Germat, Nurse or Musil. Or you could trade for a could be like Larsson. None of them are locks to be a Stud D-man at 25 but neither is Ekblad. I would trade the pick for good enough #1 D-man like Ehrhoff or Byfuglien to buy time and provide shelter for the current crop of could be’s to develop.

  62. 719 says:

    Gordon plays at around 205.

    If Lander can add 10 pounds over the next year, I definitely see him as Gordon’s eventual successor. I would like to see the Oilers let him play wing with Gordon for the rest of the year. Learn from the best by playing on his line. Then let him compete for the 4th line centre next year.

  63. 8p0intgame says:

    denny33,

    If the plan is to become a contender in the near future, the only way to acquire the first pairing defensemen needed to achieve that goal is by trading a high value asset, like Eberle.

    I don’t want to trade Eberle, or any of the first overalls for that matter. I just consider them to be the only assets in the Oilers organization valuable enough to get the defence man the Oilers need in return. Nugent-Hopkins is the only player in the organization that even resembles a first line centre, Taylor Hall is easily the Oilers’ best player and Yakupov simply doesn’t have much value right now; therefore, I believe Eberle is the piece that should be moved to fill the gaping hole on the back end.

    Ekblad could be in an excellent piece, but I am reluctant to hang my hat on him and Nurse for the following reasons:

    1.) Teams have been looking for the next Pronger longer than they have been looking for the next Lucic; none of the players described as the second coming of Pronger in their draft years panned out that way. Don’t get me wrong, many of them panned out to be good or even very good NHL defensemen, but they certainly didn’t live up to the hype.

    2.) Someone argued recently (perhaps as early as yesterday) that it is up to the individual player when he makes it into the NHL and that we shouldn’t be using other players timelines to estimate when Ekblad will arrive in the league. While I agree with the former part of that statement, I disagree with the latter. I don’t think it’s a good idea to bet on a young defence man becoming an impact player earlier than timelines established by similar players suggest. If he’s ready sooner, great! You’re plans are ahead of schedule. If not, well at least you’re prepared while he develops.

  64. 8p0intgame says:

    VanOil,

    Why not both?

    2014 1st round for Erhoff and Eberle for Byfuglien.

    Sign Belov, Petry, and J. Schultz.

    Erhoff-Bufuglien
    Belov-Petry
    Ference-J. Schultz

  65. denny33 says:

    oliveoilers,

    First pairing d-men at the age of seventeen……

  66. bassguy says:

    Hi..I listened to gregors show today and brownlie(sp?) mentioned the fact of giving Dubnik the run for the money as he really has been quite bad this year(earlier..) but he has a very good record over all?..not sure if i missed some talk or text about this..I know this is a very hot topic!..my take is this: if you spend 10 years developing a player, regardless of the position, you have to give him(because you have invested so much in this guy)a really long shot? at being an NHL player…he has had a bad defence etc,etc to give him a chance..yes, he has let in some horrible goals..but go with this guy and let him show you what he is worth on a bad team for the run to spring..they have spent alot of time and money with this guy to just write it off????

  67. denny33 says:

    VanOil,

    Klefbom and Nurse ….have the potential.

    The others ….Musil and others are selections made by the vaunted Edmonton Oilers organization.

    Erhof will be retired by the time the Oilers truly compete for the cup.

  68. bassguy says:

    by the way Rom..its Jann Arden?

  69. bassguy says:

    I believe it was a brilliant move from GM to offload smid and get brossoint and horak….this is forward thinking in my world…of course its not going to pay off right now, mike

  70. bassguy says:

    I think brossoint will be the stanley cup goalie for the oilers in a couple of years?

  71. bassguy says:

    sorry…brossoit!

  72. flyfish1168 says:

    If Gagner works out at RW you wonder if Eberle is the one leaving town since he is the more expensive option and is less gritty.

  73. gcw_rocks says:

    Ryan batty at cnb did a forecast of the Oilers likely point totals for the rest of the season, prompted by his appearance on LT’s radio show. Using two different methods the forecasts point to this bring the worst Oiler team of all time at least in terms of points.

    Way to go MacT and Eakins!

  74. bookje says:

    Woodguy:
    There’s every chance Edmonton will trade many of these players for prospects and picks, and that may mean some of the current Barons get an NHL shot.

    Really?

    The time for prospects and picks is over.

    Really, you have 4 rentals and 24 year old with a 3 year contract on your list so Gagner can’t go for P and P, but the others could.

    I think the might re-sign Hemsky if Gagner and another RW leave town before July 1.

    Risaug agreed with Gregor that Hemsky could fetch a 1st at the TD.Risaug choked as the words came out.

    I don’t think Mact moves 89 for P and P.

    You need to have patience. It takes long term thinking to execute a rebuild. It’s like a renaissance cathedral – multigenerational.

  75. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    bassguy:
    by the way Rom..its Jann Arden?

    NO, it’s Sim Gerbjai

  76. gcw_rocks says:

    bookje,

    Too funny! It certainly is starting to look that way.

  77. Pouzar says:

    Can we stop with the trade Eberle/Yak/whomever for the #1 stud d-man talk. It’s not happening. It doesn’t happen. All the powers in this league have drafted and developed their d-men. I can only think of one example of an NHL powerhouse not drafting their defensive stud(s) ( Bruins Chara). To a lesser extent Pronger in ’06 but the Blues were in dire financial strife and needed to unload him.

    btw, I loved MC79 breaking down Bouwmeester yesterday. Makes the case that Giordano is the superior d-man and that PeterAngelo drives the pairing in St. Louis.
    Stauffer was gobsmacked. :)

  78. mumbai max says:

    This all seems very simple to me. Keep Hemsky (3×3) and Gagner (wing). Trade Eberle for a 1D. Trade the 1st round pick for a big legit 2C. Add a few pieces from free agency. A big improvement follows.

  79. mumbai max says:

    Pouzar:
    Can we stop with the trade Eberle/Yak/whomever for the #1 stud d-man talk. It’s not happening. It doesn’t happen. All the powers in this league have drafted and developed their d-men. I can only think of one example of an NHL powerhouse not drafting their defensive stud(s) ( Bruins Chara). To a lesser extent Pronger in ’06 but the Blues were in dire financial strife and needed to unload him.

    btw, I loved MC79 breaking down Bouwmeester yesterday. Makes the case that Giordano is the superior d-man and that PeterAngelo drives the pairing in St. Louis.
    Stauffer was gobsmacked.

    We got Pronger via trade. Anaheim got Beauchemin via trade. Boumeaster acquired via trade. It does happen.

  80. Pouzar says:

    mumbai max: We got Pronger via trade.Anaheim got Beauchemin via trade. Boumeaster acquired via trade. It does happen.

    I said #1 STUD defenceman. Trading either Yak or Eberle for a mere #1 is not on the menu IMO.

    Pronger was the exception to the rule and I mentioned as much. Circumstances dictated that piece of good fortune. Would I trade Yak or Eberle Plus for that guy? Damn straight. Beauchemin or Bouwmeester? No thx.

    All I am saying is that the “trade RWer PLUS” for Stud D-man is not a trade that happens much if at all and we need to focus on player development. I am not in the same panic some people are in Oilerland regarding getting better yesterday.

  81. Big Dan says:

    I definitely think Belov is not in MacT’s plans. Hasn’t played to the level we had hoped. Maybe he’d be part of a package with Gagner to Pittsburgh since they showed interest. Or maybe straight up for that tough D Egelland? Would it be possible to pick up minute-munching veteran Paul Martin from them?

    I love the navel gazing for Byfuglien. Gosh, if we could get him in some kind of multi-player deal involving Gagner/Petry, I’d be thrilled. Trade rumors are fun and almost always not true – I thought for sure Smid was going to be a Senator.

    My Islander fan said there is no way Griffin Reinhart is going anywhere. The Isle brass love the guy. Oilers probably asked since Lowe loved the guy. Let’s go back into a time machine. If you could trade your Yakupov pick to the Islanders for all of their’s (that was their offer to Columbus), and then choose Reinhart and a plethora of others… would you?

    On another note, Anton Khudonin 6-0-0. Just sayin’ – MacT was learning on the job last summer. Armchair GM’s made better choices than him, in many cases. Giving Arco a chance over acquiring a mediocre C + the Perron deal exonerates him for now.

    I predict Bryz stays, if he can stay in a warm bear-free house. Regardless of the stats, he’s played well. You wouldn’t get much for him anyway and #1 goalies are hard to find. Would UFA’s like Anderson, Miller, Hiller or Halak really want to sign with this Mickey Mouse organization? Maybe if Smith, Buchberger, and Lowe walk the plank.

    I’d rather Hemsky stay too but can see the merit in dealing him for a 1st rounder and then trying to re-pick him up (if I were GM, I wouldn’t move him though). Nobody wants another late season stink, just to get more prospects and picks (who cares anymore?!).

    Stay the course. Stability. Continue to build and improve game by game. Guys like Nuge are getting outmatched but will only get better with experience. Surround them with VETERANS, not prospects. In the summer, acquire size and D.

  82. Halfwise says:

    At the trade deadline, contending teams trade picks for pieces that will help in the short term. Picks are devalued, players (especially pending UFAs) go for a premium.

    At the draft it is reversed. Useful pieces are discounted and traded for bullets, which are then fired off wildly.

    Based on MacT’s work last draft, at the deadline we should expect him to sell (say) a Hemsky high, for some picks, then sell picks at the draft for an actual player. I would be fine with that.

  83. Bob Arctor says:

    Pouzar: I said #1 STUD defenceman.

    What makes someone a #1 STUD dman? Proclivity to impregnate local media members?

  84. Halfwise says:

    Bob Arctor: What makes someone a #1 STUD dman? Proclivity to impregnate local media members?

    </blockquote
    Just the mayor.

  85. gcw_rocks says:

    If they deal Hemsky, and I think they should, I hope their target is a top prospect from the other organization, rather than a draft pick. Someone closer to ready. As Woodguy said, we need players ready now or next year. For example, I might target Despres and a pick, or Maata, if I was pitching Hemsky to Pittsburgh.

    For Gagner, I would position him on his track record (55 point guy) and might target Brandon Dubinsky, Ehrhoff, Kulikov (plus), Simmonds, Kreider (long shot), Henrique.

    For the rest, picks it is. The Oilers pipeline is pathetic.

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