PENGUINS AT OILERS, G47 13-14

STAN BOWMAN, CHICAGO:I don’t think there’s a shortcut to success. I think you have to go through some painful periods, and then it’s critical to make the right decisions at that point, but I think you have to have the patience to stick with your plan. In Chicago, we lost a lot of favor with our fan base, and so at that point, we almost figured, ‘Let’s do this the way we think is right, because we’ve already upset a lot of people. Let’s do what we think is right, which is to build it over time so that we can sustain it over time’.”

I think Craig MacTavish may have reached the Bowman conclusion. I’m not certain of course, but there are some clues.

  • MacT: “Ekblad is a very mature guy. He’s an NHL passer. He’s a thinker. At 6-foot-3, he has NHL size. There wasn’t a lot not to like. He’s a right shot. Nurse is a left.”
  • More MacT: “When you’re drafting in the top seven picks, you can’t pass up those opportunities. You can’t pass them up unless it makes sense and nothing we were offered last year made sense.”
  • More More MacT: “Certainly we’ll be in a position of listening, but when you are drafting that high, it’s tough to pass on skill and youth like that. We’re certainly scouting like we’re going to be picking.”

Article is here. Home run, Jones.

 GETTING A G, D OR C FOR GAGNER

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How many players do the Oilers need to make the playoffs? If they added Martin Hanzal, Kris Letang and Ben Bishop would that be enough? What if we threw Nikolai Kulemin and Brendan Dillon into the mix?

  • Nuge-Hall-Eberle
  • Hanzal-Perron-Hemsky
  • Gordon-Kulemin-Yakupov
  • Dillon-Letang
  • Ference-Petry
  • Marincin-J Schultz
  • Bishop

Is that enough? Oilers can’t do that of course, but they can make a list of what is needed and cross off as many from the list as possible. The bullets for MacT next summer will be:

  1. About $25 million in free agent dollars (Hemsky, Petry, Schultz)
  2. 1st round selection
  3. various prospects (Klefbom, etc)

If the Oilers choose to keep the pick, they’re going to have to trade someone from the roster above. If they can get a D or C for Gagner, that gets the ball rolling. Signing Hemsky would help next season’s depth chart a lot. There’s so much work to do, starting now is probably a good idea.

And I do think callups for Anton Lander, Taylor Fedun and Roman Horak make sense when the deals begin, with Martin Gernat, Curtis Hamilton and Tyler Pitlick also possible for cups of coffee before season’s end.

Final question: can the Oilers get a useful piece for Gagner? A long term item? I think they can, but suspect he’ll be a less than ideal item at the point of purchase. Entry-level defenseman, the same age as Klefbom or Marincin but possibly with more NHL GP. Getting 100 cents on the dollar for Gagner is going to be difficult for Craig MacTavish.

Utica vs. OKC Barons, Cox Convention Center, Oklahoma City, OK. 1-9-14

I think Anton Lander has from now until the end of the season to show what he has, and after that who knows? Remember last year when Craig MacTavish called up Teemu Hartikainen for a look? And he couldn’t put the puck in the ocean? I think Lander is second verse, same as the first. I like Lander as a prospect, and do hope he delivers something, anything offensively, but if you’re Edmonton and projecting next season’s centers, is Lander an option behind Nuge-Gordon? Is he more or less promising to them than Roman Horak (a player MacT acquired)?

It isn’t a strong position for Lander. Godspeed, young man. Make that next callup count. By the way, he is 1-4-5 in his last two AHL games. I believe there’s a player here.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

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  • Steve Lansky from Big Mouth Sports. Talking Olympic team, Leafs fall, sports television wars.
  • Mark Pavelich from MFC. MFC 39 goes next Friday night in Edmonton, we’ll talk about it and Mark’s connection to hockey.
  • Jeff Chapman from Copper and Blue. The Oilers against the force tonight,  climax may be the anthem.
  • Corey Graham, Oil Kings pbp man for TSN 1260. Trade deadline, it’s already been a major event.
  • Jungle Jim Hunter, Sportcology. We’ll talk Olympics and teams under pressure.

10 this morning, TSN 1260. Tweets to @Lowetide_ and it’ll be fun!

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  1. Ice Sage says:

    Should be an entertaining game tonight.

    Too bad about Gagner but he hasn’t worked out, by any measure. His best hope for further progress as a hockey player is on a team with established vets and more grit where he can ply his now-average skill game.

    Cutting losses is what good programs do.

    Go Oilers – shoot often from everywhere!

  2. russ99 says:

    Very cool thread, I like seeing parallels to where the Oilers are now in relation to the similar long rebuild/fan mutiny here in Chicago.

    The problem though, is it took change from the top down for things to turn the corner in Chicago, and I think we’re still stuck in a Wirtz – Pulford – Sutter period in Edmonton with MacT being the lone keeper akin to Tallon.

    This deadline and summer MacT really needs to rethink things and make moves to fix the roster from the back: in order of importance: Goaltender, #1/2 defenseman, tough net clearing defenseman 2/3 quality shutdown line forwards.

    Improving all of them is the ticket to the playoffs. Everything else is a cherry on top.

  3. russ99 says:

    Ice Sage,

    I don’t buy that at all. Wait until he lights it up for another team. Eakins ridiculous over-emphasis on defense (that isn’t stopping goals, mind you) is messing up our players.

    IMO, Gagner is being shopped for two reasons:

    1) the NTC next year won’t let us move him later
    2) We need the cap room to make substantial moves this summer.

    It’s not due to this “200 foot game” nonsense. BTW: Not every player can play like this, despite what Eakins thinks. I remember when we had coaches who could work with different kinds of players…

    I’m not drinking the kool-aid, it’s yet another round peg/square hole situation that’s come to define this how this organization works. Conform or be cast out.

  4. D says:

    Yes please. No panic moves otherwise we become Islanders/Thrashers 2.0. Ekblad and Nurse could possibly anchor a monster blue line for a decade.

  5. Thiru says:

    Lander could be this generation’s Horcoff. I know that he lacks the footspeed of young Horc, but the defensive zone awareness and grittiness are all there.

    Horcoff (age 22)
    28 points in 24 games

    Lander (age 22)
    20 points in 20 games

    Keep in mind that there aren’t any big offensive weapons on the Barons that are zooming Lander’s numbers. For the most part, he’s doing it himself.

  6. rich says:

    Have read your comments on both Lander and Horak LT. After the org completely screwed up Lander’s development by playing him in the NHL well before he was ready, it would be quite disappointing to see them walk away from a guy who is now starting to produce at the AHL level. Goes to show you what “proper development can do”. He’s at the end of his ELC and starting to show something ththat suggests it could translate to the NHL game.

    Totally understand that the current GM has more invested in Horak (Smid trade), but these are the kind of people that successful organizations like Detroit are very patient with.

    He may not have the boxcars in the show, but when you look at who he’s been paired with on the 4th line, it’s not like he’s even being given a chance to put up numbers.

    At the very least, if he can start as the 4C w/PK responsibilities, it’s worth being patient with him – even if it means that he’s the 13th/14th forward next season as you can never have enough centers.

  7. delooper says:

    russ99:

    It’s not due to this “200 foot game” nonsense. BTW: Not every player can play like this, despite what Eakins thinks. I remember when we had coaches who could work with different kinds of players…

    Not every good team wins by having *every* player play a 200 foot game. But teams like LA do. Moreover, I suspect a lot of people think LA has a pretty nice formula for success. When they play well they seem to strangle every team they come across.

  8. oliveoilers says:

    D:
    Yes please.No panic moves otherwise we become Islanders/Thrashers 2.0.Ekblad and Nurse could possibly anchor a monster blue line for a decade.

    Doing the same thing year after year and expecting different results. Yes, they may anchor a monster blue line, but not for years and it means little if all our skill has left because we suck. Only losing by one goal is still losing.

  9. misfit says:

    Hanzal, Letang, and Bishop would be great, but I’d be happy with Winnik, Greene, and Hiller.

    I think the time to trade the 1st round pick is long gone, so I like that it sounds like MacTavish is leaning towards keeping it. If they trade it, they need to be checking the top 3 items off their wishlist, and I doubt many teams will be offering that much.

    I hope they keep Lander, but as the 13th forward. If this team ever wants depth, they need to have players capable of playing one spot higher on the depth chart.

    Most of our prospects are probably best served to be used in trades for NHLers.

  10. PhrankLee says:

    Bold Moves and Six Rings calling Brian Burke a blowhard….That sounds like a Dylan song lyric…

    Kettles calling the pot black. Best practices: Hire a doughnut hating rookie coach who shoots his mouth off constantly. This morning I heard him bragging about not having any use for an alarm clock because he just “gets up”…Arrogant tool. This after the awkward “Resonate with the pissed off fans cause they work harder than we do P.R. suck up line.” So transparent and disrespectful to the fan base. Humility is in order from this organization. I see a reckless coach an oblivious PHO and a GM so wet behind the ears that he actually announced he would be in a sell position before the season was underway.

  11. delooper says:

    misfit:
    Most of our prospects are probably best served to be used in trades for NHLers.

    What team out there trades signed, actual NHL players for prospects? At best you can get a tweener for a handful of prospects.

  12. G Money says:

    russ99,

    Much as I hate to disagree with a post that makes good use of a Rush lyric, the reality is that a huge part of the failure of the last number of years is the inability and/or refusal of most Oiler players to concern themselves with a 200ft game.

    Not every player has to play a 200ft game, but a winning team cannot have more than one or two players playing blue line out. LA is not a good comparable here, Chicago is. What makes them good is not just a well balanced team with elite talent up front, it’s that the only guy who doesn’t play a 200 ft game is Kane, and he puts up points like crazy instead.

    Only Hall has shown the ability to put points up in a way that lets him get away not playing 200 ft, but given that only the Nuge has shown a willingness to do that so far, it should be no surprise that the Oilers are mid-pack (20th) for GF, but dead last in GA.

  13. oliveoilers says:

    delooper: What team out there trades signed, actual NHL players for prospects? At best you can get a tweener for a handful of prospects.

    US! Smid.

  14. Bad Seed says:

    First of all, I don’t agree that Lander might be moved because he’s not a MacT guy. if we’re looking at things from that angle, then only Perron, Gordon, Brossoit, Horak & Gagner are MacT guys. He really would be turning over the whole roster then but maybe that’s not a bad idea…
    Secondly, I agree with D above. I don’t know if MacT is just posturing about keeping the pick, but I think if there’s a blue chip that they can build around, you keep it. You don’t see good teams trade away top 5 picks for stop gap measures. The idea is to build for the long term future. I can’t get excited about trading it away for 30 year old defenceman just for the sake of being a mediocre team.

  15. delooper says:

    oliveoilers: US!Smid.

    Maybe I should have prefaced that with *actual NHL teams*. :)

  16. Woodguy says:

    russ99,

    It’s not due to this “200 foot game” nonsense. BTW: Not every player can play like this, despite what Eakins thinks. I remember when we had coaches who could work with different kinds of players…

    Name a team that doesn’t subscribe to needing their players to play 200ft games?

    Is there one?

  17. Clarkenstein says:

    D: Yes please. No panic moves otherwise we become Islanders/Thrashers 2.0. Ekblad and Nurse could possibly anchor a monster blue line for a decade.

    BECOME?? BECOME??? You aren’t serious? Do you honestly think they aren’t there now? Come on!

  18. G Money says:

    LT asks: How many players do the Oilers need to make the playoffs?

    To make the playoffs? Three players: a legit 1D, a 1G, and a big defensively aware 2C to balance out our skilled swift but small wingers.

    To be a contender? Add to that a 2D, and big punishing NHL-calibre 3L and 3R, and 4L (assuming Gordon-Arco as 3C-4C and Gazdic is going to stick around to punch faces).

    Three positions upgraded dramatically to make the playoffs. Seven in total to be a contender.

    That assumes we can keep the guys who matter: Hall, RNH on the top line, and Yak, Perron on the 2nd line, and Petry and Jultz on the defense.

    I heart Eberle but would trade him in a heartbeat for a 1D. Signing Hemsky to be 1R and having a legit 1D makes this team vastly better than no 1D and Eberle up front.

    I wish better for Gagner, but its clear that he needs big defensively responsible wingers (no coincidence his best overall year was when playing with Penner) to complement his playmaking. With a plethora of small skilled wingers, this is not the place for him. Again, I would trade him in a heartbeat if it gets us something that fills some of the other gaps. The caveat is that filling the 2C role is not so easy.

    Of the new group, a 1G and the third/fourth line wingers can be had by way of free agency.

    The 1/2D and 2C are going to be much tougher to come by, because they will likely require trades, and then the challenge is to fill gaps without creating other ones.

    Of course, we could draft Ekblad and expect him and Nurse to be our 1/2 D. It would be at least 3 to 4 years before those guys could reasonably be expected to anchor the blueline on a contender. Is the fanbase willing to wait that long? Will those gifted players up front wait?

    I don’t envy MacT his role. Rebuilding is hard.

  19. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    russ99,

    It’s not due to this “200 foot game” nonsense. BTW: Not every player can play like this, despite what Eakins thinks. I remember when we had coaches who could work with different kinds of players…

    Name a team that doesn’t subscribe to needing their players to play 200ft games?

    Is there one?

    I think Kane cheats like hell, but the risk is worth the reward, Kane is a much better player than Gagner. You can do it for elite talents, Bowman did it for Lafleur by having an outstanding 2-way winger (Shutt) and a veteran center (Lemaire) on cleanup.

    Gagner isn’t the player you do that for on this team, not with the talent available.

  20. Pouzar says:

    Get talent. Keep talent. Holy F6ck some of the posts here.

  21. oliveoilers says:

    Bad Seed:
    First of all, I don’t agree that Lander might be moved because he’s not a MacT guy.if we’re looking at things from that angle, then only Perron, Gordon, Brossoit, Horak & Gagner are MacT guys.He really would be turning over the whole roster then but maybe that’s not a bad idea…
    Secondly, I agree with D above.I don’t know if MacT is just posturing about keeping the pick, but I think if there’s a blue chip that they can build around, you keep it.You don’t see good teams trade away top 5 picks for stop gap measures.The idea is to build for the long term future.I can’t get excited about trading it away for 30 year old defenceman just for the sake of being a mediocre team.

    Dude, I’m sorry, but everything you have said is exactly what is wrong with this team. The blue chips to build around are in place. I know that we have to build for the future, but at some point a line has to be drawn and we have to actually start WINNING or those blue chips wont be here long. If that pick gets us even a couple of actual NHL serviceable lower 6 F or a good D/G then we do it because it makes us better. How many GOOD veterans do we have? MacT is just getting us used to him taking the safe and tried option again because it doesn’t look as if he CAN trade the pick.

    Doing the same thing and expecting different results……

  22. oliveoilers says:

    Pouzar:
    Get talent. Keep talent. .

    You forgot: Do not compliment talent, do not teach talent, alienate talent, lose talent. Holy F6ck some of the posts here.

    I guess you’re in the ‘Infini-build’ camp, and not the ‘sell the farm’ camp?

  23. Hall Awaits says:

    My prediction for 2014/15

    Hall / Nugent-Hopkins / Eberle
    Kulemin / Arcobello / Yakupov
    Perron / Gordon / Moss
    Smyth / Boyle / Fiddler
    Gazdic, Joensuu

    Ehrhoff / Petry
    Nurse / Morris
    Ference / Schultz
    Marincin

    Hiller
    Bachman

    Ideally we find a BIG number 2 centre but I just don’t know who’s giving those up.

  24. russ99 says:

    G Money,

    I think that’s what we all want, a well balanced team with elite talent up front.

    But I don’t think our bottom six/defense is well balanced and our elite talent is not allowed to play that kind of game.

    Again, I’m patient and a good roster isn’t built in one summer. What MacT does will go a long way on really figuring out what direction we’re going:

    1) Elite players given some free rein, role players successfully carry the heavy load.
    2) Go big and copy Boston/LA, and forget indivdual skill / game changing talent.

    BTW: LA only gets away with playing that style because they have one of the top 5 goalies in the league that can back them in getting those the 2-1 or 3-2 wins.

  25. Caramel Obvious says:

    I think it is hilarious that people are responding to Russ’ nonsense. Think about it for a second. He thinks the problem is that the Oilers pay too much attention to defense. That’s a novel idea.

    I thought we had move past the offense/defense dichotomy with the tacit language of territory, and replaced it with have the puck/don’t have the puck.

    The Oilers problem is neither offense nor defense but rather making and taking passes. I don’t think they have a major problem on defense, in terms of defending, they have a problem breaking out of their zone with crisp passes which leads them to dump it off the glass and out, which means they spend too much time defending. That’s the problem. Not too much attention on defense or some other silliness. And everytime you hear DeBrusk or Strudwick or someone like that say they need to use the glass to relieve pressure I want you to scream at your TV or radio

    The other problem is that their D doesn’t hold the line very well in the offensive zone which, once again, lets the other team break out easily which leads to more defending. And when they do try and hold the line they are bad at it which leads to odd man rushes. Also bad.

    All the problems stem from these things. It’s a simply formula. The Oilers will get better when:

    1) They stop using the glass to exit the zone and
    2) They start holding the blueline without giving up odd man rushes.

    It’s that simple.

  26. OilClog says:

    Does Gagner and the 1st land you Hamonic? I think it would be close.

    Throw in Dubnyk?

    Chase chase chase!

  27. Ice Sage says:

    Pouzar: Get talent. Keep talent. Holy F6ck some of the posts here.

    If this is reference to Sam Gagner, after 7 years in the NHL, he should be an impact player just about every game – there were a few misses in the 1st round of the 2007 draft (Oilers had 2 of them) but most are now more dominant players on their teams than he is. On this team 5 million $ can be spent better elsewhere. If he had other ‘intangibles’, or was a good example for the wonderkids, maybe it’s justified.

    Develop and keep talent at better value = Wings key to success. Arcobello replaces Gagner’s skillset and more, for less.

  28. russ99 says:

    Caramel Obvious,

    LOL. Have the puck/don’t have the puck (and Corsi) doesn’t mean squat when we can’t get in places to take high percentage shots (i.e score) and can’t keep the puck out of the net.

    I find it really ironic that the Oilers went from no dirty goals to only dirty goals in one offseason.

    Maybe I’m old-school in this way, but I would rather focus on getting players who can make those plays on defense (both forwards and defensemen) and line match them vs. the best opponents and let our talented forwards do what they do best: create and score.

    What I don’t prefer is an overarching philosophy that either every player has to handle or be big enough to handle two-way play vs. all competition or ditch them for those who can, while throwing the baby (skill) away with the bathwater.

  29. Pouzar says:

    oliveoilers: You forgot:Do not compliment talent, do not teach talent, alienate talent, lose talent.Holy F6ck some of the posts here.

    I guess you’re in the ‘Infini-build’ camp, and not the ‘sell the farm’ camp?

    No. I am in the getting the talent and keeping the talent camp.
    Trading the best player for 3 pieces or a “#1 dman” is a recipe for disaster.

    I have said repeatedly that I would trade talent for an elite #1 d-man
    so you can label me as you choose. But that trade doesn’t exist.
    I have asked on many occasions how many teams have acquired
    their franchise d-men via trade or free agency. It just doesn’t happen.
    and if the opportunity does arise what do you think 29 other teams will
    offer for a Shea Webber for example?

    Yeah rebuilding is tough.

  30. borisnikov says:

    Dealing Gagner (if that is actually what is transpiring) is going to hurt if only for the obviousness of the season after season after season lack of center depth this team has had. It’s the never ending story.

  31. icecastles says:

    PhrankLee: This morning I heard him bragging about not having any use for an alarm clock because he just “gets up”…Arrogant tool.

    Loads of people are like this. If I can hold myself to a rigid schedule, I don’t need an alarm clock. Given the fact that Eakins is married to an actress model, is a millionaire and a professional NHL coach, I’m fairly certain that if he wants to impress someone, it’s not going to be by boasting that he doesn’t use an alarm clock.

    Lots of people don’t like Eakins, I get that. I like him, but I empathize with those who don’t.

    Nevertheless, there is a point where the witch hunting becomes so over the top it’s just silly.

  32. Pouzar says:

    Ice Sage: If this is reference to Sam Gagner, after 7 years in the NHL, he should be an impact player just about every game – there were a few misses in the 1st round of the 2007 draft (Oilers had 2 of them) but most are now more dominant players on their teams than he is.On this team 5 million $ can be spent better elsewhere.If he had other ‘intangibles’, or was a good example for the wonderkids, maybe it’s justified.

    Develop and keep talent at better value = Wings key to success.Arcobello replaces Gagner’s skillset and more, for less.

    No not talking Gagner.

    Yak, Nuge, Eberle, Hall, Nurse, Yakimov for me. ;)

  33. Ice Sage says:

    Pouzar: No. I am in the getting the talent and keeping the talent camp.Trading the best player for 3 pieces or a “#1 dman” is a recipe for disaster. I have said repeatedly that I would trade talent for an elite #1 d-manso you can label me as you choose. But that trade doesn’t exist.I have asked on many occasions how many teams have acquiredtheir franchise d-men via trade or free agency. It just doesn’t happen.and if the opportunity does arise what do you think 29 other teams willoffer for a Shea Webber for example? Yeah rebuilding is tough.

    Boston Bruins (Chara). Oilers/Anaheim/Philly (Pronger). Minnesota (Suter).
    Not a lot but can be done. These guys are valuable.

  34. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    “More MacT: “When you’re drafting in the top seven picks, you can’t pass up those opportunities. You can’t pass them up unless it makes sense and nothing we were offered last year made sense.”

    This is an interesting statement considering, based on reports at any rate, the pick and maybe more was out the door for Schneider if Gillis was willing to play ball.

    Not to revisit that situation, but that is the range here: the (probably) best goalie in the league, young enough to stick around with time on his contract remaining. The only sore spot would be whether he’d re-up.

  35. Ducey says:

    russ99,

    I don’t think it is unfair for his coach to ask him to cover his guy in front of his own net, is it? I coach multiple kids’ teams and even on my Novice team its the expectation that the center will help out down around his or her own net. In Novice you expect that player to get caught puck watching or rubbed out by the flow of play. In the NHL?

    In his seventh year in the league, Gagner can’t seem to grasp the defensive side of the game and has never replicated the kind of offensive production he had in junior. Add in the fact he can’t seem to win faceoffs, and doesn’t play physical, and you have an incomplete player. I can’t recall the last time I even saw him backcheck. When will he improve? Will he improve?

    I expect that the mask/ jaw had something to do with his offensive struggles this season. I hope he improves over the next 6 weeks now that he can see the puck better.

    However, the Oilers are still left with the same problem: too many small, offensively gifted, defensively poor, non gritty players. They have to change that mix. Unless Gagner really turns it around in a hurry, he is the most logical one to go.

    On another subject, I get a kick out of how the occasional poster comes in here looking for attention and starts yelling about 6 rings, tier 1 fans, Katz, etc and everyone just kinds of ignores them.

  36. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: And I do think callups for Anton Lander, Taylor Fedun and Roman Horak make sense when the deals begin, with Martin Gernat, Curtis Hamilton and Tyler Pitlick also possible for cups of coffee before season’s end.

    I think the forwards make more sense than the Ds.

    I doubt we see Gernat this season unless a couple of things happen: Potter and Larsen leave town or remain in injury land; Klefbom leaves town or remains injured.

    I’m guessing that 15 leaves and MacT will try to find takers for both Potter and Larsen, but be unsuccessful. I’m also taking MacT’s word that Klefbom will probably finish the season with the big club after the Olympic break.

    Beyond that Marincin and Fedun seem like the obvious LD and RD callups.

    I think it would take something extraordinary for us to see any of Gernat, Musil, Hunt, Davidson, Grebs, etc. down the stretch.

  37. russ99 says:

    Ducey,

    Agree, we need to change the mix, but not dump everything good for size/grit. There needs to be a balance.

    But the question is what do we really want out of our second line center? Do we really want a two-way guy, with the diminished offense that comes with it there, especially considering the overall offensive quality of his potential linemates?

    Funny, we clamored for years to dump Horcoff out of town, and now that we finally did, we want to dump one of our skill guys at lowered trade value and get another Horcoff.

  38. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lowetide: I think Anton Lander has from now until the end of the season to show what he has, and after that who knows? Remember last year when Craig MacTavish called up Teemu Hartikainen for a look? And he couldn’t put the puck in the ocean? I think Lander is second verse, same as the first.

    MacT might have an eye on Teemu and be re-thinking that non-offer of a one-way. He’s in the top 50 scoring in the K:

    http://en.khl.ru/stat/players/244/skaters/
    41 13-14-27

    It seems possible that MacT will come to the conclusion he offered the right contract to the wrong Finn:

    http://www.capgeek.com/player/1098

    How he handles Lander might very well reflect his experience with Hartikainen, but it could produce the opposite action.

  39. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    This is a great name:

    http://en.khl.ru/players/3763/

  40. Truth says:

    I see Bishop is on your fantasy team. If only….

    How about prying Vasilevski from TB now that they did grab Bishop. I could see them trying to sell MacT on Lindback instead, but I’d be all over Vasilevski. Sign Bryz for one (maybe two) years splitting starts with the youngster and then hopefully let him run with it.

  41. oliveoilers says:

    Ice Sage: If this is reference to Sam Gagner, after 7 years in the NHL, he should be an impact player just about every game – there were a few misses in the 1st round of the 2007 draft (Oilers had 2 of them) but most are now more dominant players on their teams than he is.On this team 5 million $ can be spent better elsewhere.If he had other ‘intangibles’, or was a good example for the wonderkids, maybe it’s justified.

    Develop and keep talent at better value = Wings key to success.Arcobello replaces Gagner’s skillset and more, for less.

    The wings have also never been afraid to make a trade.

  42. bookje says:

    Woodguy:
    russ99,

    It’s not due to this “200 foot game” nonsense. BTW: Not every player can play like this, despite what Eakins thinks. I remember when we had coaches who could work with different kinds of players…

    Name a team that doesn’t subscribe to needing their players to play 200ft games?

    Is there one?

    The Edmonton Eskimos. Actually, wait, now that I think about it…

  43. D says:

    oliveoilers: Doing the same thing year after year and expecting different results.Yes, they may anchor a monster blue line, but not for years and it means little if all our skill has left because we suck.Only losing by one goal is still losing.

    I agree. I’d like them to make smart moves in the interim and not make panic moves as a result of this season. If we can become a playoff team in the interim while still able to develop Nurse and Ekblad, that would be the best of both worlds.

  44. D says:

    Clarkenstein: BECOME??BECOME???You aren’t serious? Do you honestly think they aren’t there now?Come on!

    Good point. I stand corrected! :)

  45. bookje says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    This is a great name:

    http://en.khl.ru/players/3763/

    What’s even more amazing is that the guy is a pro hockey player and only weights 92 lbs!

  46. GordM says:

    Whatever happens tonight, we better not ask Stortini to join Torres and Stoll in trying to stop the Crosby line. The move comes with some blowback!

  47. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    oliveoilers: Do not compliment talent

    (Not picking on you) this is one of my favorite typos. I always enjoy it.

    Hall Awaits: Hall / Nugent-Hopkins / Eberle
    Kulemin / Arcobello / Yakupov
    Perron / Gordon / Moss

    I think you’ve got Perron and Kulemin in the wrong spots here. Flip them and it looks more balanced.

  48. Fish82 says:

    Gagner and Marincine to the ISLE for Travis Hamonic

    Klefbom plus (Chase/Simpson/futures 2nd) for Erhoff

    Our RD is now Hamonic, Petry, Shultz (Pretty solid)
    The LD is Erhoff, Nurse, Ferrence

    Draft Sam Reinhart (hopefully we’re that bad/ucky in the lotto) for the 2C spot or if he’s gone take the German Leon Draisaitl

    Sign Hiller
    Sign Dubbie is he has a decent second half.

    Trade Hemmer to the Pens (they’re asking for a talented RW) for young LD man O. Matta.

  49. Ducey says:

    oliveoilers,

    You think trading Ekblad for a couple of serviceable lower 6 F’s would be a good trade?

    How is that going to look in 4 years when those players have moved on and Ekblad is coming into his own? Hint: Likely not very good.

    Some of those types of players (eg. Lapierre/ Mason Raymond) are freely available every summer. Why not just keep the pick and sign some free agents? Alternatively, you could trade other pieces (N Schultz, Hemsky, Bryz, other prospects) to get these type of guys.

    If the goal is to sustain success (once it is achieved) then the Oilers need to keep a pipeline of good young players coming. Cutting off the flow of prospects at this point is not a good idea. In fact, I think it is the reason the Oilers wound up having to rebuild in the first place.

    I am not saying you can never trade the pick. But it better be for a very good young player who is going to occupy a position of need (ie goalie, big 2nd line C, #1or #2 D) for the next decade.

  50. icecastles says:

    bookje: What’s even more amazing is that the guy is a pro hockey player and only weights 92 lbs!

    And 186 feet tall. Should have been a basketball player.

  51. DeadmanWaking says:

    Caramel Obvious: And everytime you hear DeBrusk or Strudwick or someone like that say they need to use the glass to relieve pressure I want you to scream at your TV or radio

    There are two kinds of breakout: the rush, and the line change. The glass is a perfectly reasonable option for a breakout of the second kind.

  52. Ducey says:

    russ99:
    Ducey,

    Agree, we need to change the mix, but not dump everything good for size/grit. There needs to be a balance.

    But the question is what do we really want out of our second line center? Do we really want a two-way guy, with the diminished offense that comes with it there, especially considering the overall offensive quality of his potential linemates?

    Funny, we clamored for years to dump Horcoff out of town, and now that we finally did, we want to dump one of our skill guys at lowered trade value and get another Horcoff.

    Yeah. You are correct. But we want the young, cheap Horcoff. Add in the 2006 versions of Jared Stoll and LT’s lovechild Fernando Pisani, and this team would be terrific up front.

  53. FastOil says:

    I wouldn’t assume Gagner is going anywhere. This is the problem with MacT’s and Eakins love affair with hearing themselves speak. There is no certainty a team will value Gagner enough to give up anything good and MacT I don’t think is the type to unload him just because. Of course there’s the Smid thing.

    So we may have another player let go by the team before the business was done and then a make up conference, hugs and all. Hemsky did play better after.

  54. G Money says:

    icecastles: Lots of people don’t like Eakins, I get that. I like him, but I empathize with those who don’t.

    Nevertheless, there is a point where the witch hunting becomes so over the top it’s just silly.

    Yeah, it’s reached the point where every thread has a half dozen posts that go like this: “That Eakins said [something, anything, doesn't matter what], what an arrogant prick!”

    Transliterate it to anyone else and you see how ridiculous it is.

    “Mother Teresa once said she gets up at 5am every morning, and doesn’t even need an alarm clock. What an arrogant witch.”

    Caramel Obvious: I think it is hilarious that people are responding to Russ’ nonsense.

    Been mulling over your last dozen or so posts, and I have a suggestion for you to consider: might be worthwhile to recognize that it is possible to disagree with someone without concluding that what they are saying is nonsense or that they are an idiot. Such assertions are typically perceived to be more reflective of the poster than the postee. Just a thought.

  55. Fish82 says:

    Gagner and Marincine to the ISLE for Travis Hamonic (If it take Klefbom + Gagner = still do it, but get Brock Nelson 6’3 200lbs in addition to Hamonic)

    Klefbom plus (Chase/Simpson/futures 2nd) for Erhoff (If it takes Ferrence + Marincine + 2nd = still do it)

    Draft Sam Reinhart (hopefully we’re that bad/ucky in the lotto) for the 2C spot or if he’s gone take the German Leon Draisaitl

    Sign Hiller
    Sign Dubbie is he has a decent second half.

    Trade Hemmer to the Pens (they’re asking for a talented RW) for youngLD man O. Matta.

    Our RD is now Hamonic, Petry, Shultz (Pretty solid)
    The LD is Erhoff, Nurse, Ferrence (Matta/FA)

  56. Bob Arctor says:

    Maybe Yak can still play his way onto team Russia with the Radulov injury.

  57. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    FastOil:
    I wouldn’t assume Gagner is going anywhere. This is the problem with MacT’s and Eakins love affair with hearing themselves speak. There is no certainty a team will value Gagner enough to give up anything good and MacT I don’t think is the type to unload himjust because. Of course there’s the Smid thing.

    So we may have another player let go by the team before the business was done and then a make up conference, hugs and all. Hemsky did play better after.

    Neither MacT nor Eakins have publicly confirmed that Gagner is being shopped. They’ve certainly said nothing like in the Hemsky case.

  58. bookje says:

    G Money:

    Been mulling over your last dozen or so posts, and I have a suggestion for you to consider: might be worthwhile to recognize that it is possible to disagree with someone without concluding that what they are saying is nonsense or that they are an idiot.Such assertions are typically perceived to be more reflective of the poster than the postee.Just a thought.

    That’s nonsense! You’re an idiot!

  59. FastOil says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Neither MacT nor Eakins have publicly confirmed that Gagner is being shopped. They’ve certainly said nothing like in the Hemsky case.

    True. I still think they tell too much. I hope the EF rumour didn’t start at home.

  60. hoser313 says:

    I’ll make the case for drafting Ekblad:

    1) The team has been trying to acquire top 4 D in trades without trading away Eberle, Schultz, Yak, or Petry. (Remember MacT buzzing Holmgren at the draft last year). Based on results to-date (or lack thereof), you can’t assume a top pair D (or heck, even a top 4 D) will magically appear in the open market unless significant pieces of the Oiler core are dealt away.

    2) Go back and look at the Oilers’ results this year against STL, SJ, LA, CHI, and ANA. Then tell me this team is only ‘one big trade’ away from being a top contender in the Western Conference. I think some honesty is required here in that genuine upgrades as well as time are needed for the team to be competitive. Band Aid solutions won’t cut it.

    3) Even if you take the pick, teams will still be interested in a player with a pedigree like Ekblad. So you can still trade him later.

    4) The young core still needs to get more mature anyways. Own-zone giveaways. Defensive coverage. Back-checking every shift. This takes time.

    5) The young core still needs to get TOUGHER anyways. MacT is wrong in that it isn’t size that is missing but toughness. Trading for the Incredible Hulk doesn’t make the rest of the softness on the team go away. Why was Ales Hemsky the only Oiler standing up to David Backes? This is where guys like Hall and Petry should be stepping up and being more physical and if need be, drop the gloves.

    Guys like Iginla and Chelios were not 6’5 and 240 lbs. but that didn’t matter. NOBODY stood in front of Chris Chelios’ net. Or for that matter Kevin Lowe’s. Again, it usually takes time for young guys to realize that grit is part of leadership.

    6) Ekblad might be really good for a really long time. Probably a much higher ceiling than Gardiner or some of the other names that you could realistically get for trading the 1st round pick.

  61. Ducey says:

    hoser313,

    Good points. But we are a ways away from drafting #2. Buffalo may improve, the Flames can’t score and the balls may fall in the wrong way. All we know is that the Oilers are likely to be drafting in the top 5.

    Keeping the pick may not result in getting Ekblad.

  62. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    FastOil: True. I still think they tell too much. I hope the EF rumour didn’t start at home.

    IIRC, Friedman, Dreger, LeBrun have all claimed they’ve heard it from “other teams” and have noted the Oilers are mum about it.

    But, really, when this stuff gets out anyway… does it matter that much? Probably more to us than anyone making decisions.

  63. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Edmonton Oilers ✔ @EdmontonOilers
    Coach Eakins confirms Gagner will play RW with RNH and Hall on the #Oilers top line tonight. “He was very open to the idea.”

    Edmonton Oilers ✔ @EdmontonOilers
    Other three will be 64-26-14, 57-27-83 and 20-94-28 –> RT @77jimmyg77 @EdmontonOilers so….the rest of the lines are?

  64. rickithebear says:

    Pouzar:
    Get talent. Keep talent. Holy F6ck some of the posts here.

    Amen

    LT: Chicago you speak of!
    players acquired from
    1996 draft pick to spring of 2010
    15 years.

    Oiler assets left from before 2008
    Hemsky UFA
    Dubnyk UFA
    Petry RFA
    Gagner 4.8M

    Chicagos big 4
    Toews 6’2″ 210lb 25yr
    Kane 5’11″ 25 yr
    Hossa 6’1″ 210lb 34yr
    Sharp 6’1″ 200lb 32yr

    Our big 4
    Hall 6’1″ 200 lb 22yr
    Prerron 6’0″ 200lb 25yr
    Eberle 5’10″ 180 lb 23yr
    RNH 6’1″ 180 lb 20yr

    Wonder what the group is like in 4 years.

    Even crosby said the expectations at this point are unrealistic.

    .

  65. Oilanderp says:

    “Well,” said Pooh, “what I like best,” and then he had to stop and think. Because although Eating Honey was a very good thing to do, there was a moment just before you began to eat it which was better than when you were, but he didn’t know what it was called.”

    A. A. Milne

  66. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Is speeds lurking around?

    Can someone tell me if the Klefbom RFA situation applies to Marincin this year? i.e., if he clicks over c. 40 games he burns a year of RFA status?

  67. Colieo87 says:

    Hi lowetide,

    Boy it sure is easy to point out the deficiencies as to try to fix them. I understand every frustration and how its easy to point the finger but i think management is so content to get it right and fix it they don’t want a new GM and president that the circus with head coaches wasn’t good for the development and team chemistry. With that said its going to be hard to build from the front end to the back. The draft is the only way to get an established 1-2D in the long run. I don’t have a crystal ball on what the team going to look in 3-5 years from now but we just got to sit and watch. With saying all that i have heavy heart today with Sidney in town since he was my cousin Ben fav player, Ben was 21 when passed away in July in a motor vehicle accident and never got to see crosby live. My brothers and I took his Pen jersey and used it so all friends and family signed in memory of him in one way or another then have it to his parents to keep. My biggest wish was for my aunt and uncle to be at the game tonight but we tried to get tickets but there not impossible to get but way on the price’y end for decent seats. But my biggest with of all was for his parents to meet Sidney. I know that would make my aunty feel a heck of lot better then shes been feeling the past 6 months nearing his anniversary on the 18th. Anyways i guess i just wanted to get that off my chest. To all fans its just a game at the end. Family and friends is good stuff right now. cheers

    Cole

  68. Pouzar says:

    Cole and Hoser,

    I like yer style!

    We can kick and scream all we want and lament about 8 years running but trading your way
    to contendership is a fools game.

  69. hoser313 says:

    Ducey: hoser313, Keeping the pick may not result in getting Ekblad.

    That’s a real risk to keeping the pick. No doubt. Maybe the market for top 10 picks is different this year, but it also seems MacT’s efforts to trade the #7 pick last year (or “listening” as he put it) didn’t yield the type of upgrades that are needed.

  70. icecastles says:

    hoser313: Then tell me this team is only ‘one big trade’ away from being a top contender in the Western Conference.

    I don’t think anyone is saying this.

  71. flyfish1168 says:

    If Gagner shows well at RW it maybe Eberle being traded. Gagner with higher grit level and Eberle with the higher contract it would maybe make more sense.

  72. teddyturnbuckle says:

    Lander needs a legitimate shot next time he is called up. Not playing 6 mins a night with Gazdic. MacT wouldn’t comment on Gagner, that means he is being shopped for sure. At this point I wouldn’t mind seeing and Arco and Lander split that second line centre position. I don’t agree that we should resign Hemsky. I like as a player but this team needs less skilled players and more meat and potatoes.

  73. misfit says:

    I posted a comment in one of your earlier blogs about Sam being in a similar situation as Stoll (at least in the eyes of the fans) just before we traded him to LA for Visnovsky, and it got me thinking about that Kings team.

    The offseason where they traded Lubo was the same one they drafted Doughty in. That following season, they added a veteran defenseman close to the end of his career in Sean O’Donnell, and iced this defense (career GP entering the season in brackets):

    O’Donnell (932) – Doughty (0)
    Quincey (13) – Greene (151)
    Gauthier (489) – Harrold (12)
    Johnson (79) – Preissing (300)

    The Johnson-Preissing wasn’t a pairing, but the others were, which I’ve listed in order of icetime. That’s not a lot of experience outside of O’Donnell, especially in the top 4. Gauther, the other veteran D, didn’t play another NHL season after that, and O’Donnell played only 1 more season in LA. They did miss the playoffs that year, but they made it every year since and won a Stanley in 3.

    Obviously its unwise to expect any 18 year old defenseman to come in and have an impact like Doughty did as a rookie, even Ekblad, and I wouldn’t say that one player representing 85% of the total GP of your top 4 D is a recipe for success, but the Kings do represent the strategy of sticking with the plan and making the right moves at the right time. They also had long periods of high draft picks and highly rated players fall into their laps on draft day that didn’t work out. But once they did hit 2 home runs I the draft (Kopitar, Doughty), they handed the team over to them and it took off.

    Our D would look very similar if we draft Ekblad and sign an O’Donnell-like vet who can play actual top 4 minutes for a couple years while the kids get their feet wet (Chris Phillips for example).

    Phillips – Ekblad
    Nurse/Marincin – Petry
    Ference – Schultz

  74. icecastles says:

    Colieo87: The draft is the only way to get an established 1-2D in the long run.

    It is arguably the best way, but by no means is it the only way. If it were, Pronger, Chara, Weber etc would only have ever played for one team.

    And if you are drafting them, they are not arriving as an “established” defenseman of any sort, let alone top pairing. D-men take a long time to develop which is the conundrum Oilers mgmt is facing right now: we draft guys to fill the role, then by the time they are in their prime years, Hall and co are pushing the outer range of their prime years.

  75. gcw_rocks says:

    Not sure Lander can deliver scoring at the NHL level if they keep playing him with Gazdic and his ilk.

    Put him on the LW with Gordon and Hemsky or at centre between Perron and Eberle and then see if he can score.

  76. DeadmanWaking says:

    Ducey: On another subject, I get a kick out of how the occasional poster comes in here looking for attention and starts yelling about 6 rings, tier 1 fans, Katz, etc and everyone just kinds of ignores them.

    It’s the caliber of the moan. There’s more to a good moan than shuffling along with your arms outstretched. In Dawn of the Living Dead if they had just strung a steel cable around the perimeter on low posts, they’d have been perfectly fine, at least until the moaning masses tiered up at the low-slung cattle grates, subjecting the front rank to Archimedes’ second law: “Reinforce me when stuck firm, and I will kiss the dirt.” Not what you’d call a graceful body roll, but it gets them to the other side.

    This works not because the undead can’t lift their feet, but because they can’t lift their feet and their arms at the same time. Moanotaskers. Anything that causes them to stoop or lower their arms enables their feet to rise, so stabbing at their faces with curtain rods through an open window rarely succeeds.

    For a while you can attend the horizontal fallout at the groaning guy-wire with a cleaver and a catapult. This is a man’s job. It helps to ladle some molten silver into the eye sockets right before you release the petitioner, so that will keep your young womenfolk plenty busy as well, especially if they have to fabricate and feed the bellows and brick oven from scraps at hand. (Modern women folk adorn themselves with clasps, fasteners, tension bands, and wire retaining rings the way Native Americans used used to gird themselves with leather laces. The one thing they won’t need is a trip to the local hardware store. It takes but a momentary flashback to the trucker scene from Thelma and Louise before they roll up their sleeves, pull out their singers, and repurpose their purses down to the last zipper.)

    ***

    Someday I would love to see a movie where the fuel truck is lampooned with hazard signage that reads “Warning: Contents Highly Oxygenated” even though you can usually figure this out anyway from the chrome-plated magnesium rims.

    ***

    Truck driver ‘was looking at pictures of women on Facebook’ when he crashed into emergency vehicles, killing police officer

    What do you expect from a man sitting there all day with his arms halfway outstretched? This was a major flaw in the steering wheel right from the get go, which we’ve known about the Mariner’s wheel way back to antiquity.

    ***

    By chance this item links from the same page, proving it’s not quite a total victory for the fairer sex.

    Brave Anne Hathaway returns to the water just one day after getting caught in terrifying rip tide

  77. Pouzar says:

    flyfish1168:
    If Gagner shows well at RW it maybe Eberle being traded. Gagner with higher grit level and Eberle with the higher contract it would maybe make more sense.

    You’d rather Gagner at 4.8 million versus Eberle at 6 million?

  78. Colieo87 says:

    icecastles,

    Ya understand there is various ways to get defenceman but edmonton defenseman aren’t 1D/2D Guys since pronger left. We achieved getting pronger cause of the post cap era came into the play. St Louis had to unload him. Webber still in Nashville and Chara is the only exception at the moment. I understand that it’s going to take time for them to develop. Meaning it’s hight unlikely for someone to turn into a Drew Doughty. Pk subban took 6 years and there’s a case where I agree it takes time. That’s why I get it were everyone is really worried by the time the defence is ready our first over all will be gone. So if your asking me We trade yak and our 1st overall this yr for a say pk subban. Tempting but no in my option.

  79. Ryan says:

    Ice Sage,

    Is it just me or was 2007 a really crappy draft after Kane?

    I mean there was Kane 1 OV, Subban in the 2nd, Couture at 9, Shattenkirk at 14. then a lot of meh.

    Gaganer’s from the same draft as Gadzook and Perron.

  80. misfit says:

    delooper: What team out there trades signed, actual NHL players for prospects? At best you can get a tweener for a handful of prospects.

    All of them do.

    Just this year:

    Versteeg (NHL player) for Jimmy Hayes and Dylan Olson (prospects)
    Tallinder (NHL player) for Riley Boychuk (prospect)
    Bobby Ryan (NHL player) for Silferberg (NHL sophomore), Noesen (prospect), 1st
    Clutterbuck (NHL player) for Niederreiter (prospect)

    Last year:
    Z.Michalek (NHL player) for Roupp (prospect) and Cheverie (prospect)
    Wideman (NHL player) for Hendry (prospect)
    Ribeiro (NHL player) for Eakin (prospect)
    Lindback (NHL player) and Wilson (prospect) for Caron (prospect) and picks
    McGratton (NHL player) for Piskula (prosepect)
    Boucher (NHL player) for Pither (prospect)

    That doesn’t even include deadline deals or players being moved mid-season and the offseason for just draft picks (and there were a lot).

    Are we going to trade prospects for players now? No, probably not. But there’s no reason to think that kind of move couldn’t be made in the offseason or at the draft. It’s not like we’re going to salvage this year, so the pressure to make a move right away should be gone, or at least ignored. A Gagner trade that brings back an NHL player? Now that’s something that could happen between now and the deadline, but I’m not holding my breath on that either.

  81. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    looks like the D pairing are going to be:

    21-19
    85-2
    15-77

    Thank Gord. Looks like Eakins rethought the 85-15 combo.

  82. GordM says:

    Yet another fail in Lowe’s tact, or lack thereof, with fans on this transcript of a Gregor interview:

    full article:
    http://oilersnation.com/2014/1/10/gdb-470-the-lowe-down-on-crosby

    **************
    “It’s not easy. We’ve been in this rebuild and it’s incredibly frustrating for everyone. The fans should know that the people that are running the show, they are probably, I don’t even know if you can compare it, but in terms of frustration, it’s incredibly frustrating.”
    **************

    When you are the one collecting a salary…and you have been the one constant in an organization that has missed the playoffs for 8 straight seasons (in a league where over half of the teams qualify)…you do not try and tell your paying customers that this is hard on you too. Short of promising to resign if the team doesn’t make the playoffs next season, I don’t know what this man can do to appease this blood-thirsty fan base.

  83. Ice Sage says:

    Ryan: Ice Sage, Is it just me or was 2007 a really crappy draft after Kane?I mean there was Kane 1 OV, Subban in the 2nd, Couture at 9, Shattenkirk at 14. then a lot of meh.Gaganer’s from the same draft as Gadzook and Perron.

    Yes, weak year overall. But’ it could be argued that Voracek, Perron, JVR, McDonaugh, Eller and Paccioretty have exceeded #89 in effectiveness. Maybe Turris and Hickey (!) also, soon. This is especially disappointing given the full-time NHL experience that Gagner has had… or maybe, in retrospect, he shoulda been brought along more slowly, hard to know since he showed such promise early.

    I hope he can be the next Cogliano – find success, but not too much, as a complementary (and complimentary) player elsewhere.

  84. Ribs says:

    I had asked for a concession speech for the season from MacT and crew last week and he’s delivered this week with the Sun articles. Good on him. It is a bit comforting knowing where his mind is at these days.

    He’s talking draft so that means the season is over. He’s mentioning players he wants to see come up from the minor leagues so that means he’ll be dumping contracts at the deadline. He’s still looking for big players so Joensuu isn’t cutting it. There’s very little on the trade market right now that would be of any use. He didn’t mention the coach once, so I assume he’s here to stay.

    He spoke of the next deal they do being an “important” one. This sounds like it has a lot more thought put into it than his claims of wanting to make “bold” moves. He’s settling in. He’s realising how tough progress can be in this league. This is a good thing.

    I guess now we wait to hear from him what the plan for next season is. It sounds like it’s steady-as-she-goes so far and that likely means more losing. Patience is wearing thin all around us. When they can’t get the players they need in the summer (again), do we wait it out once more?

  85. Logan91 says:

    Ryan:
    Ice Sage,

    Is it just me or was 2007 a really crappy draft after Kane?

    I mean there was Kane 1 OV, Subban in the 2nd, Couture at 9, Shattenkirk at 14.then a lot of meh.

    Gaganer’s from the same draft as Gadzook and Perron.

    JVR, Voracek, McDonagh, Pacioretty, Turris, B. Smith, Simmonds, Jamie Benn, there are some of the best players from that draft.

    Plenty of good players from 2007, LA has a few key players on their team from that year.

  86. Bag of Pucks says:

    For what it’s worth, I really like the possibilties that Byfuglien offers the team as both a short-term and long-term solution.

    He gives you a serviceable Top 2 D while you’re waiting on Nurse and Klefbom (and possibly Ekblad, the way this bloody rebuild is going), and once the young studs are established, you can move him to forward to address some of the size issues on the wing.

    IMO, this leaves starting goaltending as the number one issue that MacT needs to address in the offseason. A true backstop would help this young team a ton with its fragile confidence. I like a Gagner for Reimer trade for this reason. Actually, I’d prefer MacT take a run at Gibson in ANA but suspect the return requested might be too rich for our blood. Certainly the Ducks have the depth to part with this blue chip prospect, and have shown historic willingness to fleece the Oil in trades. Would be nice to see one working in the opposite direction for a change.

    I would also target Scrivens as a UFA in the offseason. Local boys make sense as FA targets and the Oil have had some success with that. Drafting high in the 2nd round, now is the time to finally draft and develop a true blue chip goalie as well. Lots to do on the G front obviously.

    And for God’s sake, whoever you draft, make sure they have some size. Stop drafting bloody small skill players and complaining that you don’t have enough size in your org. Less Laleggia’s, more Yakimov’s please.

  87. Ribs says:

    “If we can find another of Andrew Ference type in free agency or through trade I’m sure that’s one of the first things that Craig MacTavish is going to do.” – Lowe

    Except cheaper and to replace N. Schultz? I hope? How much will Schlemko get in the summer?
    P.S. What was wrong with Smid?

  88. Bag of Pucks says:

    GordM:
    Yet another fail in Lowe’s tact, or lack thereof, with fans on this transcript of a Gregor interview…

    Short of promising to resign if the team doesn’t make the playoffs next season, I don’t know what this man can do to appease this blood-thirsty fan base.

    Stop talking?

  89. Ducey says:

    GordM:
    Yet another fail in Lowe’s tact, or lack thereof, with fans on this transcript of a Gregor interview:

    full article:
    http://oilersnation.com/2014/1/10/gdb-470-the-lowe-down-on-crosby

    **************
    “It’s not easy. We’ve been in this rebuild and it’s incredibly frustrating for everyone. The fans should know that the people that are running the show, they are probably, I don’t even know if you can compare it, but in terms of frustration, it’s incredibly frustrating.”
    **************

    When you are the one collecting a salary…and you have been the one constant in an organization that has missed the playoffs for 8 straight seasons (in a league where over half of the teams qualify)…you do not try and tell your paying customers that this is hard on you too.Short of promising to resign if the team doesn’t make the playoffs next season, I don’t know what this man can do to appease this blood-thirsty fan base.

    To use DMW’s language, I am not sure about the quality of this moan.

  90. Bag of Pucks says:

    hoser313:

    5) The young core still needs to get TOUGHER anyways.MacT is wrong in that it isn’t size that is missing but toughness. Trading for the Incredible Hulk doesn’t make the rest of the softness on the team go away.Why was Ales Hemsky the only Oiler standing up to David Backes?This is where guys like Hall and Petry should be stepping up and being more physical and if need be, drop the gloves.

    Guys like Iginla and Chelios were not 6’5 and 240 lbs. but that didn’t matter.NOBODY stood in front of Chris Chelios’ net.Or for that matter Kevin Lowe’s.Again, it usually takes time for young guys to realize that grit is part of leadership.

    But do they learn this, when you gift them with $42 million before they demonstrate the willingness to do so?

    I was chatting with a guy I curl with last week and he had a great point. To paraphrase, he said ‘what Detroit does is they purposely bury their young guys in the minors for at least 2 to 3 years. Make them learn their trade, ride the buses, etc. That way, when they finally get to the dance, they’ll do anything to stay there and their work ethic reflects it. By contrast, the Oil fast-track their prospects to the dance (and not just the 1OVs), gift them big money for scoring against the soft parade, demand no accountability to play a 200ft game. And then wonder why they finish in the basement every season.

    The days when Gordie Howe got a team jacket for a signing bonus are long dead. This X-Box generation of players is not getting to skate teeth through lumber to win unless they are conditioned to do so from the very start.

    In all honesty, if you’re Sam Gagner, what actual motivation do you have to backcheck harder or work on your faceoff skills? Eakins has clearly shown he won’t bench you if you don’t perform in those areas, and cheating for offense has made you a $4.8mil per player.

    Entitlement. It’s killing this org.

  91. bookje says:

    Ribs:
    “If we can find another of Andrew Ference type in free agency or through trade I’m sure that’s one of the first things that Craig MacTavish is going to do.” – Lowe

    Except cheaper and to replace N. Schultz? I hope? How much will Schlemko get in the summer?
    P.S. What was wrong with Smid?

    Fitness?

  92. fifthcartel says:

    Ribs,

    I feel an overpay for Girardi coming

  93. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    bookje: Fitness?

    Freedom?

  94. Ribs says:

    Ribs: How much will Schlemko get in the summer?

    Guess he signed an extension (on the cheap!). No go.

    bookje: Fitness?

    Smid. That fatty. No wonder LT wanted him traded so much.

  95. icecastles says:

    GordM: do not try and tell your paying customers that this is hard on you too

    I’m just going to go ahead and assume that if he said the rebuild was on track, or that he’s happy with how things are going, or if he said pretty much anything really, you’d be pissed off about that too. And if he refused to grant interviews and just kept his mouth shut (granted, probably the wisest thing for him to do), people would be angry he was aloof / untouchable / out of touch etc.

    We get it. Lowe bad. Eakins bad. Everyone bad.

    We have a right to complain. But do we not also have a responsibility, if even to ourselves, to rise above the level of nitpicking every last quote no matter how innocuous and actually have some rational though behind the bitching? The level of discourse has fallen off a cliff.

    Repeating the same stuff ad nauseum adds nothing to the conversation. It doesn’t shed new light, reveal different perspectives or build a constructive or thoughtful (or even interesting) conversation.

    It behooves us to speak because we have something to add, rather than to add something because we feel like speaking.

  96. misfit says:

    fifthcartel:
    Ribs,

    I feel an overpay for Girardi coming

    That wouldn’t be too bad, if that was the plan. I mean, overpaying a UFA is fine if the guy can play, and there’s no question Girardi would improve our D. Ference was always questionable as a top 4 NHL defenseman.

    I actually hope we try to bring Greene back. He adds a lot of the elements we’re always talking about (size, experience, physicality), and gives us the “Ference Factor” as a high character guy.

  97. denny33 says:

    Great thread LT…

    Sometimes Mac T shows me he is up to the task…..Magnus to Perron and now his thoughts on pucking in the top of the board.

  98. Ducey says:

    misfit</strong

    I actually hope we try to bring Greene back.He adds a lot of the elements we’re always talking about (size, experience, physicality), and gives us the “Ference Factor” as a high character guy.

    Greene missed all of last year with a back injury (and surgery) and has missed a bunch this year with “upper body injuryies”. Buyer beware.

  99. icecastles says:

    Ducey: Greene missed all of last year with a back injury (and surgery) and has missed a bunch this year with “upper body injuryies”. Buyer beware.

    Well as an Oiler I’d prefer him to have a shoulder injury, but back surgery is good enough for me… he’ll fit right in.

  100. bookje says:

    icecastles: I’m just going to go ahead and assume that if he said the rebuild was on track, or that he’s happy with how things are going, or if he said pretty much anything really, you’d be pissed off about that too. And if he refused to grant interviews and just kept his mouth shut (granted, probably the wisest thing for him to do), people would be angry he was aloof / untouchable / out of touch etc.

    We get it. Lowe bad. Eakins bad. Everyone bad.

    We have a right to complain. But do we not also have a responsibility, if even to ourselves, to rise above the level of nitpicking every last quote no matter how innocuous and actually have some rational though behind the bitching? The level of discourse has fallen off a cliff.

    Repeating the same stuff ad nauseum adds nothing to the conversation. It doesn’t shed new light, reveal different perspectives or build a constructive or thoughtful (or even interesting) conversation.

    It behooves us to speak because we have something to add, rather than to add something because we feel like speaking.

    “With great power comes great responsibility.

    Einstein

  101. bookje says:

    That last quote might also be Mandela, or maybe Phish…

  102. slopitch says:

    So we go from talking about how valuable top 7 picks are to moving 6th overall Sam Gagner. I think the key is that the Oilers are currently a top 3 pick, If they plan on finishing in the 7-10 range by all means, move the pick. If they plan on tanking, which as the season disappears, it becomes a more and more justifiable option. Yes they have sucked for too long, but if question is whats best long term for this franchise, then enduring another lottery is probably the answer at this point.

  103. icecastles says:

    bookje:
    That last quote might also be Mandela, or maybe Phish…

    Voltaire.

    Good quote for the guy who invented electricity.

  104. denny33 says:

    hoser313,

    Excellent post

  105. icecastles says:

    slopitch:
    So we go from talking about how valuable top 7 picks are to moving 6th overall Sam Gagner.

    Okay this just kind of blew my mind. I hate you for framing it this way. But its kind of fantastic.

  106. hoser313 says:

    Bag of Pucks: But do they learn this, when you gift them with $42 million before they demonstrate the willingness to do so? < Entitlement. It’s killing this org.

    I don’t disagree. I guess you have to hope that the shame of losing or some other factor makes them angry enough to improve their game. Eakins’ problem is he can’t bench the whole team. It’s not right though when some guys get benched or HS’ed and other guys get nothing.

  107. denny33 says:

    icecastles,
    Seen lots of stuff on getting mid 30′s Erhodf..

  108. stevezie says:

    icecastles: I’m just going to go ahead and assume that if he said the rebuild was on track, or that he’s happy with how things are going, or if he said pretty much anything really, you’d be pissed off about that too. And if he refused to grant interviews and just kept his mouth shut (granted, probably the wisest thing for him to do), people would be angry he was aloof / untouchable / out of touch etc.

    We get it. Lowe bad. Eakins bad. Everyone bad.

    We have a right to complain. But do we not also have a responsibility, if even to ourselves, to rise above the level of nitpicking every last quote no matter how innocuous and actually have some rational though behind the bitching? The level of discourse has fallen off a cliff.

    Repeating the same stuff ad nauseum adds nothing to the conversation. It doesn’t shed new light, reveal different perspectives or build a constructive or thoughtful (or even interesting) conversation.

    It behooves us to speak because we have something to add, rather than to add something because we feel like speaking.

    I have nothing to add, but I’ll bet some people skipped this the first couple times.

  109. 8p0intgame says:

    I have become indifferent to losing; therefore I have no problem drafting Aaron Ekblad.

    I don’t think Nurse-Ekblad will be a dominant pairing for at least 5 years if they take the major junior development route…

    Draft +1 – major junior
    Draft +2 – major junior
    Draft +3 – AHL
    Draft +4 – 3rd pairing minutes in NHL
    Draft +5 and beyond – working their way up the NHL depth chart.

    Meaning Nurse won’t be ready until the 2017-18 season and Ekblad in 2018-19.

    The college route will take even longer…

    Rebuild 3.0!!

  110. icecastles says:

    stevezie,

    This is why I love you.

    That and your Team Zissou avatar.

  111. Ryan says:

    Was listening to an interview of Doug Maclean on the Team 1260 yesterday.

    He flat out said that the ‘new’ title of President of Hockey Operations is equivalent to the ‘old’ title of General manager…

    He then said that the ‘new’ GM title is actually the ‘old’ assistant GM.

    So according to Doug Maclean, Mact is basically the assistant GM for Kevin Lowe (who’s still the actual GM).

    (edit for organizations that have a POH)

  112. GordM says:

    Slats landed Ryan McDonagh as a 20 year old still playing in NCAA. If we trade Gagner to any team still in the mix for the playoffs now, we’ll have to trust our pro scouts (gulp) to find a return like this. I don’t believe we’ll get current help unless it’s from the few teams in the same position we are (ex. FLA).

    While I’m all out of patience (I’ll accept Icecastles’ feedback re: repetitive Lowe rant)…IMO this is the landscape we face for any Gagner or Hemsky trade…will take an Eberle to get you something really good right now.

    Is this where Bob Green can help? I know he is looking for undrafted free agents but I assume he might help gather intel on other team’s assets as well.

    Speaking of the Rangers…they are 24th in scoring…we have the benefit of Messier’s intel on their prospects…weren’t we after Dylan McIlrath in his draft year???

  113. Hammers says:

    LT your question was how many players do we need to make the playoffs . You named actual players but I leave that to McT . We all say we need 1 ) Goalie ; 2) 2 top3 “D” ; 3) a top 9 winger that is 6’3 or 6’4 who can actually play but preferable a top 6 . Actually we are not that far away . I see the problem a little differently . I love RNH but on any other team in the Pacific other than Calgary or us he is a #2 center not a #1 . He will be but that’s 3 years from now . We don’t need a replacement for Gags but we do need to move him . We need a genuine 1st line center and 1st pairing “D” plus a goalkeeper . All the other pieces we have will fall into place .My question is would you trade Gags & Petry , Schultz or Perron for a present day #1 center who can still do the job for 3-4 years ?

  114. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    GordM:
    Slats landed Ryan McDonagh as a 20 year old still playing in NCAA.If we trade Gagner to any team still in the mix for the playoffs now, we’ll have to trust our pro scouts (gulp) to find a return like this.I don’t believe we’ll get current help unless it’s from the few teams in the same position we are (ex. FLA).

    While I’m all out of patience (I’ll accept Icecastles’ feedback re: repetitive Lowe rant)…IMO this is the landscape we face for any Gagner or Hemsky trade…will take an Eberle to get you something really good right now.

    Is this where Bob Green can help?I know he is looking for undrafted free agents but I assume he might help gather intel on other team’s assets as well.

    Speaking of the Rangers…they are 24th in scoring…we have the benefit of Messier’s intel on their prospects…weren’t we after Dylan McIlrath in his draft year???

    CO has been on this train for a while now: find the next thing.

    And, I completely agree Bob Green is going to be very important to the future of the team. I said recently he may be the most important acquisition this team made in the past year.

    And, I think we need to target a process that seeks undrafted and undervalued but drafted College and Euro players.

    But, I think we need to set a more reasonable result than McDonagh. Someone like Dekeyser, Schultz, or Raanta (they may even be too high)

    Getting a very good player by this means would be a coup, but is certainly doable. Getting a McDonagh is an unrepeatable, freak event.

  115. Ryan says:

    GordM,

    I think we’ll have to wait to trade Gagner if we want an NHL player back.

    the East is still wide open in terms of teams chasing a playoff spot with only Buffalo clearly out of the picture.

    In the West, it’s only us, Calgary, Nashville, and Winnipeg…

    Maybe Winnipeg will send us Byfuglien for Gagner… :)

  116. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Big Buff back to F for now:

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=440862

  117. commonfan14 says:

    Bag of Pucks: By contrast, the Oil fast-track their prospects to the dance (and not just the 1OVs), gift them big money for scoring against the soft parade, demand no accountability to play a 200ft game.

    Who else but Gagner?

  118. Caramel Obvious says:

    icecastles: I’m just going to go ahead and assume that if he said the rebuild was on track, or that he’s happy with how things are going, or if he said pretty much anything really, you’d be pissed off about that too. And if he refused to grant interviews and just kept his mouth shut (granted, probably the wisest thing for him to do), people would be angry he was aloof / untouchable / out of touch etc.

    We get it. Lowe bad. Eakins bad. Everyone bad.

    We have a right to complain. But do we not also have a responsibility, if even to ourselves, to rise above the level of nitpicking every last quote no matter how innocuous and actually have some rational though behind the bitching? The level of discourse has fallen off a cliff.

    Repeating the same stuff ad nauseum adds nothing to the conversation. It doesn’t shed new light, reveal different perspectives or build a constructive or thoughtful (or even interesting) conversation.

    It behooves us to speak because we have something to add, rather than to add something because we feel like speaking.

    Great post.

    And since GMoney was on me for being unnecessarily antagonistic to my fellow posters let me add that icecastles and misfit have recently been added to my list of posters to which I pay attention and whose opinion, in my own way, I value.

    Now that made me sound like a communist so I won’t actually produce THE list.

  119. Caramel Obvious says:

    Oh, and playing Byfuglien at forward is dumb. Please trade Gagner for him.

  120. Ryan says:

    Good Gord the Vollman Sledgehammer was a genius idea.

    Byfuglien is one big fat …. blue bubble on the sledgehammer.

    http://www.extraskater.com/team/winnipeg-jets/2013

    The oilers are all in the red. No team can be THAT bad unless it’s on the defensemen. Even Winnipeg has some guys in the blue.

    Anyway, the Sledgehammer is great in that you can take one look at a team you don’t watch and instantly know so much info.

    Malkin, Jokinen, and Neal get the heavy o-zone push

    Crosby does all of the hard work.

    Sort of like Chicago, the pens must be starting their fourth line a lot in the d-zone against the lesser lights.

  121. VanOil says:

    For your edification and education:

    http://www.cbc.ca/edmonton/interactive/oilers-futility/

    Actually the link is quite dull but the fact that the august CBC felt the need to create an interactive Oilers futility index is a reflection of the endless woe.

  122. Hockeyman 99 says:

    I think the ideal trade might be Gagner, Klefbom, Dubnyk and Shultz for Reimer, Kadri, Gardner and a bad contract to use our buyout. We get help, they get a shake-up and cap space next year. They can resign DD as backup for next year at reasonable number less than what Reimer is making and bring Klefbom slow as they have depth at d. Gagner and Kadri is about new scenery for both and I am more worried about the size of the fight in the dog than just how big he is. Gardner may be rejuvenated under Eakins and Shultz can be insurance for the rest of the year for TO. Bad Contract is a sweetener as we have a buyout still. Thoughts. Trouble in Leaf land and they are in the same situation of wanting to make a deal that is fair for Kadri.

  123. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    Hi LT. Late to the thread today so haven’t had a chance to go through all the posts. Wanted to ask whether you have moved away from the notion that either Eberle or Yak may be in play if the right assets percolated up on the other side? Seems it has drifted from your commentary. My sense was they were both possibilities for a hockey trade to get the balance the team really needs – starting next season. My fear is avoiding dealing with the top 6 mix means another year out of the playoffs. Easy to say now (patience and all that), but if we are truly out of it this time next year – there has got to be bloodletting given fan insurgence.

    (Sorry if already discussed and I was remiss in reading the thread through)

  124. Pouzar says:

    Caramel Obvious:
    Oh, and playing Byfuglien at forward is dumb.Please trade Gagner for him.

    The party line is that he is helping out b/c Ladd and Kane are out.

    Jets media are really down on him. They see the glaring giveaways on a nightly basis while Oiler fans stare at the fancy stats. I can tell you first hand even his ardent supporters are tired of him.

    He’s brings the goods offensively but that’s all you are getting. Literally.

  125. Woodguy says:

    Weird feeling that Oilers win 5-3 tonight.

  126. Lowetide says:

    Well Oiled and Enthusiastic:
    Hi LT. Late to the thread today so haven’t had a chance to go through all the posts. Wanted to ask whether you have moved away from the notion that either Eberle or Yak may be in play if the right assets percolated up on the other side? Seems it has drifted from your commentary. My sense was they were both possibilities for a hockey trade to get the balance the team really needs – starting next season. My fear is avoiding dealing with the top 6 mix means another year out of the playoffs. Easy to say now (patience and all that), but if we are truly out of it this time next year – there has got to be bloodletting given fan insurgence.

    (Sorry if already discussed and I was remiss in reading the thread through)

    I think the Oilers are open to dealing Eberle or Yakupov, and that may not have been the case in the past. I think trading Yakupov would be a terrible mistake.

  127. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    Lowetide,

    Thanks. I wrestle with it myself and would have more comfort dealing a player like Eberle where you know better what you are giving up. But being open to all options must be something any GM – but MacT in particular – embraces.

  128. bookje says:

    Woodguy:
    Weird feeling that Oilers win 5-3 tonight.

    Wow, that’s too bad. Don’t worry, Oiler Fan Brain (OFB) happens to all of us sometimes. I have quite a few bouts of it. However, unlike a few years ago, the Oilers don’t tend to feed it by having a few upset wins. I Suspect reality will have hammered the OFB out of you by about 11 o’clock tonight and you will be back to normal.

  129. Pouzar says:

    “Finally, if Sam Gagner is indeed on the trade block, the Coyotes have to get him. Edmonton needs D and the Coyotes have tons. It’s a perfect match and I believe that Sam Gagner has it in him to be an elite player in the NHL. Let me know what you think!”

    I agree Mr James Tanner Coyote Blogger! :)

  130. gr8one says:

    Anyone have any insights as to why Katz may have been scouting a Habs/Sens game?

    http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/24398482/canadiens-senators-game-interrupted-by-live-bat-in-bell-centre

  131. G Money says:

    Caramel Obvious: And since GMoney was on me for being unnecessarily antagonistic to my fellow posters

    See! See how effective posts sent with honesty, humility, a sense of oneness with the universe, and only the very best of intentions can be!

    * barfs in mouth a little *

    Uh, never mind.

    Woodguy:
    Weird feeling that Oilers win 5-3 tonight.

    Seriously, the Pens are not a particularly “heavy” team, and if the Oilers bring their A game, they have a shot. What was it, a fairly close 3-2 game last time?

    gr8one: Anyone have any insights as to why Katz may have been scouting a Habs/Sens game?

    If the game was in Ottawa, I would have assumed he was scouting which federal politician to buy. Since it’s in Montreal, let us hope he’s scouting French-Canadian babes for mistresses (he’s single now, yes?), or perhaps a new line of freeze-dried poutine snacks for Rexall. Heaven help us if he’s part of hockey scouting operations . . .

  132. "Steve Smith" says:

    Caramel Obvious: And since GMoney was on me for being unnecessarily antagonistic to my fellow posters let me add that icecastles and misfit have recently been added to my list of posters to which I pay attention and whose opinion, in my own way, I value.

    Now that made me sound like a communist so I won’t actually produce THE list.

    Is it because the list hitherto consisted entirely of yourself?

    (I kid; I have such a list too, and you’re on it. I like to think that I would be on yours, too, if I ever expressed opinions in earnest.)

  133. Woodguy says:

    DeadmanWaking,

    Anything that causes them to stoop or lower their arms enables their feet to rise, so stabbing at their faces with curtain rods through an open window rarely succeeds.

    That would really depend on the curtain rod…..and the person wielding it.

  134. justDOit says:

    Looks like the Jets have just moved Byfuglien…

    Winnipeg Jets ✔ @NHLJets
    Ladd and Little on having Byfuglien on their line. WATCH >> http://bit.ly/1ewhXM0

    …to a forward spot.

  135. Lowetide says:

    Interesting thread today, gents. A really interesting 2014 ahead for this team.

  136. edoil1 says:

    Went to the Tampa game,only game this year so far, got lucky as far as pain threshold,I sat and wondered how a team with a defensive minded president/emperor,defensive minded GM,defensive minded assistant’s Bucky,Smith all as player’s, have the worst defensive team in a 30 team league.Not one good top four pairing NHL defenceman,it truly boggles the mind.

  137. alice13 says:

    Well this one’s still tied, so far so good!

    But having a couple of minutes to kill took a browse of standings on TSN,

    STL is +63 (160 GF, 97 GA)

    Seems astounding – that has to be near the edge of the record books for a half-season in?

  138. FastOil says:

    edoil1:
    Went to the Tampa game,only game this year so far, got lucky as far as pain threshold,I sat and wondered how a team with a defensive minded president/emperor,defensive minded GM,defensive minded assistant’s Bucky,Smith all as player’s, have the worst defensive team in a 30 team league.Not one good top four pairing NHL defenceman,it truly boggles the mind.

    I went to a game against the Canucks and despite buying into advanced hockey stats witnessed a school yard bullying, and was confronted directly about the realities of NHL hockey and having a team full of well adjusted nice men.

    Well adjusted and modern gladiator don’t often go hand in hand. The Oilers need some mean players. The search for “character” is contradictory to their stated goal. I am not saying bad players. I am saying “character” should move to “not reprehensible”.

    Hard to play against really means not very nice, right? Can’t be nice on the ice. Character (for these purposes) means a player that can control themselves at home and be a beast on the ice. No quarter.

  139. justDOit says:

    Well, at least there’s this:

    Darren Haynes
    ‏@DarrenHaynes_CP
    Tavares (7), Sharp (7), Skinner (7), Neal (6), MacKinnon (6) and Pavelski (6) have scored more goals since Christmas than the #Flames (5).

  140. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Pickard with a tough night tonight:

    http://theahl.com/stats/game-summary.php?game_id=1011624

  141. Andy P says:

    Well Oiled and Enthusiastic: Hi LT. Late to the thread today so haven’t had a chance to go through all the posts. Wanted to ask whether you have moved away from the notion that either Eberle or Yak may be in play if the right assets percolated up on the other side? Seems it has drifted from your commentary. My sense was they were both possibilities for a hockey trade to get the balance the team really needs – starting next season. My fear is avoiding dealing with the top 6 mix means another year out of the playoffs. Easy to say now (patience and all that), but if we are truly out of it this time next year – there has got to be bloodletting given fan insurgence. (Sorry if already discussed and I was remiss in reading the thread through)

    I’d suggest that there is a common reason why neither Buff, Peckham, nor Penner are good fits for this team. Lack of day in, day out work ethic.

  142. VanOil says:

    I no longer look forward to Ray Ferraro commentating on Oilers games, his clear and insightful analysis is to painful to hear.

  143. VanOil says:

    Who is that team in Blue and Orange? I don’t recognize there play.

  144. RexLibris says:

    justDOit:
    Well, at least there’s this:

    Darren Haynes
    ‏@DarrenHaynes_CP
    Tavares (7), Sharp (7), Skinner (7), Neal (6), MacKinnon (6) and Pavelski (6) have scored more goals since Christmas than the#Flames (5).

    *snicker*

    heh…

    hehehe….

    Muhahahahahaha!

  145. RexLibris says:

    Had a look at the stats behind the Leafs’ loss tonight.

    They actually split the Corsi and Fenwick fairly evenly against the Capitals and still lost.

    Now, Mr. Nonis, about Jake Gardiner…

  146. alice13 says:

    The Pens have been invisible

    So far

  147. RexLibris says:

    Remember that first period against the Blues a few weeks ago?

    No reason, just strolling down memory lane.

  148. bookje says:

    Lowetide:
    Interesting thread today, gents. A really interesting 2014 ahead for this team.

    I don’t think I have contributed anything insightful. Well, here goes.

    I have a sense that when MacT took on the job he began with much longer term plans than most of us thought. I suspect he saw opening night 2015 as the point when he would ice his team. He is not going to be rushed into trades unless they fit the vision.

  149. Bulging Twine says:

    Perron tired?

  150. Rebilled says:

    Bulging Twine,

    Maybe sick?

    and the refs can start calling those interference calls on Yak anytime now..

  151. Cobbler says:

    Perron looks disinterested tonight.

  152. jp says:

    bookje: I don’t think I have contributed anything insightful.Well, here goes.

    I have a sense that when MacT took on the job he began with much longer term plans than most of us thought.I suspect he saw opening night 2015 as the point when hewould ice his team.He is not going to be rushed into trades unless they fit the vision.

    Maybe. But that would make his talk about bold moves and playoffs in 2013-14 kinda stupid. No doubt he’s got a long term view of things, but I think he expected a lot more a lot faster.

  153. Pouzar says:

    *counting Eberle passes to Yak*

  154. Rebilled says:

    That was some Nultz there.

  155. jp says:

    Yakupov is a different player. I guess the talk and the “plan” are working so far. He won’t miss the Olympics again for quite some time.

  156. Lowetide says:

    I’ll take that period, for me the Oilers played as well as they could in period number one. Pittsburgh, on the other hand, was horrible. Letang is playing like he doesn’t want to be here.

  157. Ryan says:

    RexLibris:
    Had a look at the stats behind the Leafs’ loss tonight.

    They actually split the Corsi and Fenwick fairly evenly against the Capitals and still lost.

    Now, Mr. Nonis, about Jake Gardiner…

    Jake Gardiner… please… the Oil needs more <190 lb dmen. They just don't have enough dude.

  158. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide:
    I’ll take that period, for me the Oilers played as well as they could in period number one. Pittsburgh, on the other hand, was horrible. Letang is playing like he doesn’t want to be here.

    And by “here” do you mean Edmonton? – as in please don’t trade me to…

  159. Derek says:

    Perron looked pretty un-Perron-like in the first, and Sam Gagner had some interesting breakout attempts on the wing, other than that I concur with the Bossman.

  160. Ryan says:

    Lowetide:
    I’ll take that period, for me the Oilers played as well as they could in period number one. Pittsburgh, on the other hand, was horrible. Letang is playing like he doesn’t want to be here.

    that’s the quote of the day….

    considering the rumoured trade of Letang for Eberle….

  161. VanOil says:

    Stand outs for me were Yakupov who was great at both ends of the ice, Marincin looking like he belongs and Nuge making ankle breaking cuts on the PK.

  162. Ryan says:

    I don’t care how bad the Oilers lose…

    provided Hall gets a hat trick to shove in crosby’s face…Kunitz. duh

  163. Ryan says:

    VanOil:
    Stand outs for me were Yakupov who was great at both ends of the ice, Marincin looking like he belongs and Nuge making ankle breaking cuts on the PK.

    This…

  164. RexLibris says:

    Ryan,

    While I would like a 6’5″ 230 lbs two-way defensive lynchpin for this team, Gardiner is roughly 6’2″ 185 lbs but can move the puck very well and has a good grasp of the defensive end of the game. I view him as comparable to Petry, and I would gladly take another one of him on this team right now.

  165. Ryan says:

    wtf. where is woodguy? taking a night off during the biggest night of the year?

  166. Pouzar says:

    Marincin looks like the most polished d-man we have.

  167. RexLibris says:

    VanOil:
    Stand outs for me were Yakupov who was great at both ends of the ice, Marincin looking like he belongs and Nuge making ankle breaking cuts on the PK.

    Was I alone in thinking that there were some missed interference calls on Yakupov in the 1st? Seemed like he’d dump the puck in the corner and while a Penguin went to retrieve it another one “accidentally” managed to skate directly in front of him.

    Good coaching, but bad refereeing.

  168. Ryan says:

    RexLibris:
    Ryan,

    While I would like a 6’5″ 230 lbs two-way defensive lynchpin for this team, Gardiner is roughly 6’2″ 185 lbs but can move the puck very well and has a good grasp of the defensive end of the game. I view him as comparable to Petry, and I would gladly take another one of him on this team right now.

    two words for you my friend. (I’m drunk btw) Dustin Byfuglien.

  169. VanOil says:

    Extraskater is a bit buggy tonight.

    http://www.extraskater.com/game/2014-01-10-penguins-oilers

    Yakupov has a CF% 100%.

  170. Ryan says:

    Pouzar:
    Marincin looks like the most polished d-man we have.

    Marincin could save the 2010 draft singlehandedly.

  171. RexLibris says:

    Gordon 6-2 in the FO dot and Malkin 1-6.

    Small victories.

  172. Ryan says:

    WTF is Woodguy?

    Gagner is useless on the wing FFS… lol. :P

  173. RexLibris says:

    Ryan: Marincin could save the 2010 draft singlehandedly.

    I don’t know. Hall looks to be alright.

  174. RexLibris says:

    VanOil:
    Extraskater is a bit buggy tonight.

    http://www.extraskater.com/game/2014-01-10-penguins-oilers

    Yakupov has a CF% 100%.

    Not buggy. Yakupov’s agent had it hacked so he could prank Eakins and get more ice time.

  175. Ryan says:

    RexLibris: I don’t know. Hall looks to be alright.

    outside of the 1st round dude.

  176. steveb12344 says:

    bookje: I don’t think I have contributed anything insightful.Well, here goes.

    I have a sense that when MacT took on the job he began with much longer term plans than most of us thought.I suspect he saw opening night 2015 as the point when hewould ice his team.He is not going to be rushed into trades unless they fit the vision.

    This is what I have been thinking for a while too. It seems very clear that that is the timeline.

    To expand on this, I would also suggest that Katz has likely given Lowe the mandate to ice a “playoff” team for opening day of the new arena. Whatever it takes to make that happen is fair game.

    That’s why I don’t think there is any pressure on Lowe from above yet. I think Katz expects a competitive team next year, a definite playoff spot the year after and open The Jolly Roger with a legit contender.

    It fits the timeline of the prospects, and all the verbal from management has still up to this point been all about the future. when management starts acting desperate, and managing for their jobs. Then we will know they are feeling the heat.

  177. Ryan says:

    Ryan: two words for you my friend.(I’m drunk btw)Dustin Byfuglien.

    Check out Byfuglien’s big blue circle on extra skater then get back to me.

  178. Pouzar says:

    RexLibris: Was I alone in thinking that there were some missed interference calls on Yakupov in the 1st? Seemed like he’d dump the puck in the corner and while a Penguin went to retrieve it another one “accidentally” managed to skate directly in front of him.

    Good coaching, but bad refereeing.

    Nope not alone. I saw one play where 2 Pens were running interference for sure.

  179. Lowetide says:

    Ryan: Marincin could save the 2010 draft singlehandedly.

    That’s why we need to give these drafts 5 years.

  180. RexLibris says:

    Ryan,

    The acquisition of a player like Gardiner does not eliminate the possibility of the acquisition of Byfuglien.

    And Dustin Byfuglien is actually 43 words wrapped into five syllables and surrounded in a daily caloric intake of 3000 kj.

  181. "Steve Smith" says:

    steveb12344,

    I am confident that this is exactly what Bookie meant.

  182. RexLibris says:

    Ryan: outside of the 1st round dude.

    Oh.

    ;)

  183. Ryan says:

    RexLibris:
    Ryan,

    The acquisition of a player like Gardiner does not eliminate the possibility of the acquisition of Byfuglien.

    And Dustin Byfuglien is actually 43 words wrapped into five syllables and surrounded in a daily caloric intake of 3000 kj.

    I don’t know… I’ll take both then.

  184. RexLibris says:

    Pouzar: Nope not alone. I saw one play where 2 Pens were running interference for sure.

    So shall we initiate the “Yakupov getting dissed by zebras because he’s a rookie” narrative then?

  185. VanOil says:

    RexLibris: Not buggy. Yakupov’s agent had it hacked so he could prank Eakins and get more ice time.

    Pesky Russians

  186. steveb12344 says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    steveb12344,

    I am confident that this is exactly what Bookie meant.

    Yes, and I said I agreed with him.

  187. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: That’s why we need to give these drafts 5 years.

    Out of curiosity, was it experience or something else that made you decide on that number? I’ve found it to be correct quite often but arriving at a number like that isn’t always easy.

    I’ve been preaching it to the fans of other prairie teams who shall remain nameless (and goalless – zing!) for awhile now but it doesn’t seem to be sinking in.

  188. RexLibris says:

    VanOil: Pesky Russians

    I’m trying to come up with a “in Soviet Russia stats look up you” kind of joke, but nothing’s really coming to me.

  189. fuzzy muppet says:

    Terrible sequence for Petry. Just awful.

  190. VanOil says:

    4th line out after a goal against again. A tactic learned from Carlyle?

  191. Pouzar says:

    RexLibris: So shall we initiate the “Yakupov getting dissed by zebras because he’s a rookie” narrative then?

    Absolutely

  192. LostBoy says:

    It’s just…amazing how this team sags when they get behind.

    There’s not much shame in being owned by Malkin, but Petry just seemed to think he could best the guy with stickwork behind the net. Um, dude, nooooooo.

  193. OilClog says:

    Petry was awful, Malkin showed all the kids puck pursuit.

    Why is Dubnyk so small in his net? Just awful.

  194. OilClog says:

    Woooo Gagner showing how good he’ll fit

  195. VanOil says:

    gagner is off the schnide ~ annus horribilis

  196. fuzzy muppet says:

    They make zero effort to engage. Gagner stops skating so he’s late to the battle behind the penguins net. Just lazy lazy plays all around

  197. Pouzar says:

    Don’t fret people…I got PIT (-1.5)

  198. jp says:

    Gagner. Backchecking. Scoring.

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