SAIL ON, PARDUBICE PRINCE??

I usually wait for Matty’s ‘Hemsky’s days are numbered’ article but it seems things may be reaching a fever pitch at the deadline over our man Ales. Longtime readers of this blog will know 83 was the crown prince around here long before the Kings and Jacks arrived via the #1 overall selection.

VOLLMAN SLEDGEHAMMER 13-14

hemsky 13-14Hemsky is playing tough opponents and his zone starts are in the ‘more severe’  zone although well shy of Smyth and several miles from Gordon. Hemsky is inside the ‘shutdown’ quadrant, making Eakins the first coach since MacTavish to use 83 in what we might call a pure tough minutes role. And he’s damn close to even on the Corgi’s. Hemsky’s role is changing (he’s not the offensive player of 05-06) and he looks to be good at it.

VOLLMAN SLEDGEHAMMER 12-13

hemsky 12-13This was a tough year for Hemsky, a large bubble in a bad color, and of course many were all over him. Later, it was revealed that 83 had been playing on a broken foot, and believe it or not that seems to have changed the verbal about him in many circles. I also think it helps that Eakins has been so public in his support, and I’d never count Hemsky off this team as long as Kevin Lowe is around (meddling!).

VOLLMAN SLEDGEHAMMER 11-12

hemsky 11-12

This is a nice blue bubble in the two-way zone, Hemsky playing tough opponents and coming out alright. I wonder what Hemsky’s story would have been if they’d traded him in the summer of 2008, say to Detroit. He’s been injured, but he’s splendid. A wonderful player, his fame curtailed by playing in the Hinterland where wins go to die.

ALES HEMSKY EXTRA SKATER

hemsky extra skater

He’s looking like a 40 point two-way third line winger now, I think that has value—especially on a team that doesn’t have a plethora of actual NHL players. What would Bill Torrey do? Sign the man!

fussy britches

Say what you want about fussy britches, she guided me through July 1, 2011 with tweets that announced signings and trades about half an hour before they happened—she got one wrong, tweeting the Oil had signed Zenon Konopka (and they didn’t). I still have the post in my “article drafts” pile though, just in case!

Anyway, hope she’s right about a Hemsky extension. I think this is going to be as close as the torpedo in The Hunt for Red October, though.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

dial m

Busy day on the LDTWL and there’s some fluidity to the guests. So it’s ‘like a box of chocolates’ day but scheduled to appear:

  • Steve Lansky, Big Mouth Sports. We’ll talk Ben Scrivens, Olympic readiness, and Chris Farley figure skating that still makes a grown man weep.
  • Corey Graham, Oil Kings pbp. They’re on a run and have a busy weekend, we’ll tee it up with Corey.
  • Jason Strudwick had a brilliant interview with Laddy Smid last night, we’ll play back a portion.
  • FC Edmonton will pop in for a conversation about getting ready for the season.
  • Jungle Jim Hunter talks about the social aspect of the Olypmics (athletes village).

Plus we’ll have a bunch of Super Bowl talk as we head toward the big game. Who are you picking? I have no idea.  The best football news I’ve received in several months is Dressler leaving the CFL!

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  1. hunter1909 says:

    I doubt if many are more suspicious of MacT as general manager as I am. But, he was killer in playoff match ups, and so far this season he’s proactive in acquiring players. Furthermore, he’s happy to tell the fans he’s 100% against going Milbury and trading away the future for band aid fixes.

    The team is on a 3 game win streak.

    MacT wants tough players to reinforce the young stars. Anyone who doesn’t understand this, well…maybe that person is a genius.

  2. Andy P says:

    G Money: Ricki doesn’t embrace intangibles, only small sample data sets … if it’s on somekindofninja, it’s gotta be true!Then again, what’s a smaller data set than intangibles?(I kid I kid, I enjoy Ricki’s posts even as I often disagree with the reasoning)

    I was kidding, hence the smiley face :) :) :)

    But seriously though, GM, you’ve done or doing the kind of stuff I have done in the past. (Semi retired now). Do you not think soft skills also apply to hockey teams, to fix things that the numbers say are broken?

    Or do you think that is, as some apparently think, some combination of fairies, Days of our Lives, and Ancient Aliens? i.e. foolishness.

  3. rickithebear says:

    Andy P: not sure what happened, I meant to include this quote, as evidence that you’ve now embraced the intangibles

    Oh I accept Corsi. it is a game play measure.

    What happened before the Corsi and what happened after I want to expand.

    Fraser was given a role in TOR.
    he was a strong GA Dman. A plus player on the leafs.
    and one of there better EVA Dmen.

    I like the offensive gifted Fraser.
    His 8 Even Assists ranked top 50 last year.
    right there with Subban, Campbell, j. Schultz, Seabrook, Giordano, Faulk, Niskanen, Ference, JM liles, Hjarlmasson,

    the 8 EVA was ahead of
    Bouwmeester, Josi, Souray, wizniewski, Daley, GilbertBarrie, Mcdonald.

    Maybe Eakins gives him the confidence to be a top 50 puck moving Dman again.

  4. Andy P says:

    Or would you agree that you need the analytics, but at some point soft skills, ie intangibles come into play?

  5. Bag of Pucks says:

    book¡je:
    So, we have an unattributed rumour that a not too wealthy NHL player gave up $600,000 off of a $1,500,000 salary because he doesn’t want to play in Edmonton.

    ~40% of his salary

    I would want to at least see that the rumour is from a solid source before I gave that ANY credence at all.

    Maybe WG has a better link, or maybe JWillis will chime in to lend some substantiation to the rumour.

    Or maybe Fistric will post something along the lines of “see ya, wouldn’t want to be ya!”

  6. FastOil says:

    book¡je:
    So, we have an unattributed rumour that a not too wealthy NHL player gave up $600,000 off of a $1,500,000 salary because he doesn’t want to play in Edmonton.

    ~40% of his salary

    I would want to at least see that the rumour is from a solid source before I gave that ANY credence at all.

    Well put. The real issue for me is the about face on this type of player, and another apparent reaction after a traumatic game, assets spent all along the way. They aren’t valuable assets, but you know the old saying, mind your nickels and dimes.

    I suppose it has to do with Ference’s injury, feeling like there is not enough toughness in the back end, not that I think he actually brings much of that despite his best efforts.

  7. rickithebear says:

    So defnsively. he tries to make 20 ft in a void, offensively he set up at the same rate as dmen with padded pp points.

    And people think this trade sucks.

    he took a puck in the face in the playoffs while playing 1st comp minutes.

    He healsin off season
    is tenative at the start of this season
    Wrecks his knees.
    Finally gets Healthy
    Wants to play that aggresive box out Shot Blocking Style.

    Plays the same box affect ashe allways played.
    But is subjected to a higher G scoring rate from the areas pressured by the forwards.
    25% higher 20-30 ft out and 50% higher >30 ft.

    This guy screams. potential for Steal!
    Eakins trust him!

    I would expect some
    Fraser-Petry
    Ference-marincin
    Fraser – J. Schultz
    for a test during this end of season run!

    HMMMM
    XXX-Petry
    Ference-Marincin
    Fraser-J. Schultz

  8. denny33 says:

    RexLibris,

    Don’t know if this has been covered in last night’s post, but the Flames signed Trevor Gillies to the Heat yesterday, and I don’t mean to threadjack, but I thought this was worth mentioning if only as something that (hopefully) further separates the Oilers management from the Flames.
    **************************************************************************

    Edmonton OIler Management just traded for Mark Fraser……

  9. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear: Yes cause once the Corsi has occured all else is majic shot fairies controlling the results.
    and BOS and ANA have better Fairies than us!

    What color is the sky in your world?

  10. Woodguy says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    For what it’s worth, Willis has an unattributed rumour that the Oil offered Fistric $1.5mil and he countered with $2mil.

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/06/18/is-mark-fistric-a-good-fit-for-the-edmonton-oilers/

    If he signed with the Ducks for $900k, it seems this is a good example of a ufa not being enticed by the winning combo of perennial loser and arctic wasteland.

    If I’m MacT, I give Fistric the raise and don’t waste my time on Grebs. But as always, hindsight is 20/20

    Its attributed to Matty

  11. denny33 says:

    stevezie,

    How are we dumping Abney?

    He was never near the Oilers team and he us a UFA like Fraser…

  12. Woodguy says:

    book¡je:
    So, we have an unattributed rumour that a not too wealthy NHL player gave up $600,000 off of a $1,500,000 salary because he doesn’t want to play in Edmonton.

    ~40% of his salary

    I would want to at least see that the rumour is from a solid source before I gave that ANY credence at all.

    I hate how people take information and go stupid with it.

    Fistric walks away because he thinks he can get more.

    Sits as a UFA until late summer and finds out he/his agent was wrong and he wasn’t worth $2MM in the NHL.

    Team he plays for, like the Oilers did, offers him a deal.

    He signs it because 3 years is nice security. ITs less than EDM offered, but hey, its more than he accepted to play this year.

    Its entirely plausible that in hindsight he signs in EDM and doesn’t ask for $2MM because he really misjudged the market for his worth.

    What is wrong with people that they take this info and turn it into FISTRIC HATES EDMONTON.

    FFS

  13. "Steve Smith" says:

    TeeVee:
    Oilers pick up Mark Fraser for Abney/Hartikainen.

    Sail on, Mind-Numbing Waste of a Draft Pick.

    icecastles: If we were to look up “damning with faint praise” in the dictionary, I’m pretty sure we’d find Woodguy’s line there. Well played, sir.

    I’m not sure that counts as praise of any kind.

  14. Woodguy says:

    hunter1909: I’ll cheer for this happening, as long as you help me convince Eakins to let Yakupov play better hockey.

    Yak’;s been playing great hockey.

    Averaged 4.8 shots/60 last year and is up to 6/60 this year.

    Back check with a purpose.

    Using his linemates more.

    Coming along great imo

  15. Woodguy says:

    OilClog: Try outs for what? That’s what the summer and preseason are for. Regardless of the Oilers position in the standings currently. Their only objective should be winning. Icing a D-Corps full of try outs is not how I want to see the season end.

    There’s a very good chance that Klef is better than NShultz, Belov and certainly Fraser today.

    You bring him up for 20 games to see if you can slot him at 3rd pairing/7 or as a 8/1st call up.

    The difference means adding another NHL level LHD in offseason.

    Planning.

    FTW.

  16. Woodguy says:

    Bag of Pucks: Maybe WG has a better link, or maybe JWillis will chime in to lend some substantiation to the rumour.

    Or maybe Fistric will post something along the lines of “see ya, wouldn’t want to be ya!”

    Ummm, how about he or his agent though he’d get $2MM on the open market and it didn’t happen

    No, that’s too fucking sane and reasonable.

  17. G Money says:

    Andy P: I was kidding, hence the smiley face
    But seriously though, GM, you’ve done or doing the kind of stuff I have done in the past. (Semi retired now). Do you not think soft skills also apply to hockey teams, to fix things that the numbers say are broken?

    Or do you think that is, as some apparently think, some combination of fairies, Days of our Lives, and Ancient Aliens? i.e. foolishness.

    Andy P:
    Or would you agree that you need the analytics, but at some point soft skills, ie intangibles come into play?

    I’ll give you a wishy washy answer because I’m sort of on the fence and sort of not. :-D

    Hockey teams are made up of human beans. Humans are complex, with all kinds of weird and wonderful and often literally insane drivers. Therefore, hockey teams are also complex, weird, and wonderful entities with all kinds of strange and counterintuitive drivers.

    Many of these qualities (“good in the room”, “leadership”) I know without a doubt that they exist because I can see them on the zillion teams (sports and non-sports) that I’ve been on, and I know they’re important.

    And from the very narrow window that we have on to a hockey team (we see them play and some interviews and that’s about it), it means those qualities are – from our point of view as outsiders – therefore very very intangible.

    So the first answer is – yes, they absolutely exist, and no, I do not know of any way to measure them as it stands right now.

    However, the flip side to this is: if we agree that there are intangible qualities that are important, and if the ultimate driver of what is “important” in a hockey team is the long term win-loss record – then by definition, those intangible qualities must ultimately affect the win-loss record. Agree? Disagree?

    So … if we agree that the essence of winning and losing is goal differential, and that Corgis are valid because in the long term, shot differential drives goal differential … then someway somehow those intangibles – if they are truly important – must affect the Corgis. Somehow.

    Now if you don’t see an effect on those Corgis, it doesn’t mean the intangibles don’t exist, or that they aren’t important, it may simply be that we can’t measure their effect as yet. But you have to admit: if an intangible is truly important and yet doesn’t affect shot differential in any way, it’s a leap of faith to think that it is truly important. Yes? No? Maybe so?

  18. FastOil says:

    Woodguy: There’s a very good chance that Klef is better than NShultz, Belov and certainly Fraser today.

    You bring him up for 20 games to see if you can slot him at 3rd pairing/7 or as a 8/1st call up.

    The difference means adding another NHL levelLHD in offseason.

    Planning.

    FTW.

    Unless something goes horribly wrong the Bom will be in the NHL next year. I think they should give him a head start this year. There is nothing to lose if he can acquit himself like Marincin.

    Thing is unless the Oilers suddenly channel their inner Wings they have 3 D on the way in. Better to stagger them as much as possible. There is a chance they deem Marincin too skinny and ask him to bulk up, less of a chance with Nurse of that who is a bit heavier now.

    I am not sure how they are going to fit them all in on their proper side. I’d prefer they don’t ask rookies to play opposite.

  19. G Money says:

    Woodguy: Ummm, how about he or his agent though he’d get $2MM on the open market and it didn’t happen

    No, that’s too fucking sane and reasonable.

    Heh heh … I read your comments. Thought … “So Woodguy’s got his shorts in a massive knot because someone postulated that Fistric’s contract results might *might* reflect an Edmonton issue”. Seems like a pretty trivial point to get so irritated over.

    Either someone pissed in the ol’ cornflakes this morning, or maybe the lumber futures are down.

    Sure enough:
    “U.S. Lumber Futures Extend Slide as Weather Curbs Demand”
    http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20140128-710720.html

    Sorry, man. Hope you’re going to be OK.

  20. book¡je says:

    Woodguy: I hate how people take information and go stupid with it.

    Fistric walks away because he thinks he can get more.

    Sits as a UFA until late summer and finds out he/his agent was wrong and he wasn’t worth $2MM in the NHL.

    Team he plays for, like the Oilers did, offers him a deal.

    He signs it because 3 years is nice security.ITs less than EDM offered, but hey, its more than he accepted to play this year.

    Its entirely plausible that in hindsight he signs in EDM and doesn’t ask for $2MM because he really misjudged the market for his worth.

    What is wrong with people that they take this info and turn it into FISTRIC HATES EDMONTON.

    FFS

    I hate when people take random unsourced rumors and believe them as fact because they fit their narrative/worldview.

    Is Fistric still with the same agent or did he fire him for misjudging the market by 3 fold?

    Or maybe the rumor was just bullshit?

    FFS

  21. book¡je says:

    I heard from some guy I know that woodguy is bitchy and irrational today because his real estate agent told him he could sell his house for $2.1 million, but after turning down an offer for $1.5 million, he had to accept $600,000.

    It’s a rumor, so it’s true.

  22. RexLibris says:

    DeadmanWaking:

    Newest SJ team T-shirt

    Front side: Screwed at the drive thru.

    Back side: What’s your excuse?

    Hilarious.

  23. G Money says:

    I’m quite enjoying the repartee today.

    Lowetide’s article from a few days ago (“Bitch”) seems to have had more of a long-range psychological effect than anyone could have imagined.

    INTANGIBLES!

  24. Lucinius says:

    The angst from some over this trade is mind boggling. The Oilers basically acquired Fraser for absolutely nothing. Abney was a waste of space from day one and Harski, while I liked, is off in the KHL because he refused a common sense contract (two way deal) and was almost certainly never going to come back to the NHL so long as the Oilers held his rights given he’d proven absolutely nothing at the NHL level.

    So, the Oilers lost nothing and acquired a shitty d-man with a (slim) chance he’s a bit better than that, while possibly giving the Oilers some security when they send out one or two d-men for picks, so that they don’t have to call up and keep players from the Barons regardless of how they play.

    Personally, I’d also rather not see Klefbom in the NHL this season. Not with his injury history. He’d get called up and then get hit by a bus, or something.

  25. book¡je says:

    I should add that I don’t deny that what Woodguy suggests is impossible or even implausible. Rather, what I am saying is that it is wise to be skeptical of rumors.

  26. Lois Lowe says:

    I think Harski’s spot in the organization was taken by Moroz. Abney’s was taken by Kessey. It’s just a shame that the latter cost a good prospect in Rieder. What power forwards prospects do the Oilers have outside of Moroz?

  27. G Money says:

    Lois Lowe: What power forwards prospects do the Oilers have outside of Moroz?

    Khaira and to a certain extent Chase I would say.

  28. Ducey says:

    Lois Lowe:
    I think Harski’s spot in the organization was taken by Moroz. Abney’s was taken by Kessey. It’s just a shame that the latter cost a good prospect in Rieder. What power forwards prospects do the Oilers have outside of Moroz?

    I think Harski’s position was taken by a combination of Joensuu and Lander.

    Harksy never came close to putting up a point per game in the AHL. Lander is doing that this year.

    Joensuu fills the role of the Finnish crash bang player. Harsky never wanted to do that role and frankly refused to play physically enough.

    It may just me, but I don’t think Harsky skates well enough to be of much use to an NHL team. He isn’t physical either, despite his size. I don’t get the love for him. Its almost Omarkish.

    The trade is a nothing trade. Nonis was probably calling around looking for someone to take Fraser off his hands to free up a little money. MacT likely said I will give you the rights to a guy who I will never sign and a contract of a player who can’t play regularly in the ECHL.

    The trade has some marginal utility for the Oilers as it keeps Grebs out of the NHL when Nultz and or Belov are traded. It might help fill the gap if Klefbom struggles in his call up or gets hurt. You can’t have too many defensemen.

    There simply is no downside, at all, for the Oilers. Its absolutely amazing that MacT got anything at all for two players who will never play in the NHL.

  29. "Steve Smith" says:

    Ducey:There simply is no downside, at all, for the Oilers.Its absolutely amazing that MacT got anything at all for two players who will never play in the NHL.

    Well, it’s equally amazing that the Leafs got anything at all for Fraser. So maybe neither team actually got anything at all, making it a fair, if monumentally inconsequential, trade.

  30. book¡je says:

    “Steve Smith”: Well, it’s equally amazing that the Leafs got anything at all for Fraser. So maybe neither team actually got anything at all, making it a fair, if monumentally inconsequential, trade.

    This might be the perfect assessment of the trade.

  31. denny33 says:

    Lois Lowe,

    G. Money is fast….beat me to it.

  32. "Steve Smith" says:

    Also, this post’s url suggests to me that this is only your second post entitled “Sal on, Pardubice Prince”, which seems low. May there be many more, and not just one.

  33. G Money says:

    denny33,

    I think Fast Money is another guy. Or is that Fast Oil? And what about Oil Money! That may not be fast, but it’s definitely big.

  34. Pouzar says:

    Lois Lowe:
    I think Harski’s spot in the organization was taken by Moroz. Abney’s was taken by Kessey. It’s just a shame that the latter cost a good prospect in Rieder. What power forwards prospects do the Oilers have outside of Moroz?

    McCarron.

    Yakimov

  35. Kert says:

    Ducey:
    It may just me, but I don’t think Harsky skates well enough to be of much use to an NHL team.He isn’t physical either, despite his size. I don’t get the love for him.Its almost Omarkish.

    The love for Harski comes from his first goal in the NHL.
    Seeing a kid shrug off a check, walk out and bury the puck was just what that version of the Oil needed. Until someone else comes along and starts doing that with some regularity, Harsky will continue to have fans in these parts. Small sample sizes and ‘seen him good’ are okay when you’re picking someone to cheer for. :)
    And you’re absolutely right, it’s omarkish.

  36. Andy P says:

    rickithebear: Oh I accept Corsi. it is a game play measure.What happened before the Corsi and what happened after I want to expand. Fraser was given a role in TOR.he was a strong GA Dman. A plus player on the leafs.and one of there better EVA Dmen.I like the offensive gifted Fraser.His 8 Even Assists ranked top 50 last year.right there with Subban, Campbell, j. Schultz, Seabrook, Giordano, Faulk, Niskanen, Ference, JM liles, Hjarlmasson, the 8 EVA was ahead ofBouwmeester, Josi, Souray, wizniewski, Daley, GilbertBarrie, Mcdonald.Maybe Eakins gives him the confidence to be a top 50 puck moving Dman again.

    Yes, but what about the puck-fractured skull, Mr Google had a picture that showed the puck shaped impression in his skull. Then there is the knee injury he suffered. The question is to what degree he may have suffered brain damage from the puck, and then to what degree was his speed and play impacted by the injured knee. Not all brain damage is revealed by a cat scan, but his decline in play will definetly be shown by his stats, which have declined. the intangible is what is causing that decline, and I think the best call is give him the rest of the season not to show what caused his drop in play but to determine whether he can fix what went wrong.

    I would like to see him revert to his pre-injury state, but you know what knee injuries can do, and I know what brain damage can do.

  37. Andy P says:

    Bag of Pucks: Maybe WG has a better link, or maybe JWillis will chime in to lend some substantiation to the rumour. Or maybe Fistric will post something along the lines of “see ya, wouldn’t want to be ya!”

    I forget, was Eakins around at the time he turned down the Oiler’s offer? If not, in view of the number of times Krueger HS’d him, it would not surprise me if that was a reason. But, if Eakins was here already, that falls away.

  38. Andy P says:

    G Money: I’ll give you a wishy washy answer because I’m sort of on the fence and sort of not. Hockey teams are made up of human beans. Humans are complex, with all kinds of weird and wonderful and often literally insane drivers. Therefore, hockey teams are also complex, weird, and wonderful entities with all kinds of strange and counterintuitive drivers.Many of these qualities (“good in the room”, “leadership”) I know without a doubt that they exist because I can see them on the zillion teams (sports and non-sports) that I’ve been on, and I know they’re important.And from the very narrow window that we have on to a hockey team (we see them play and some interviews and that’s about it), it means those qualities are – from our point of view as outsiders – therefore very very intangible.So the first answer is – yes, they absolutely exist, and no, I do not know of any way to measure them as it stands right now.However, the flip side to this is: if we agree that there are intangible qualities that are important, and if the ultimate driver of what is “important” in a hockey team is the long term win-loss record – then by definition, those intangible qualities must ultimately affect the win-loss record. Agree? Disagree?So … if we agree that the essence of winning and losing is goal differential, and that Corgis are valid because in the long term, shot differential drives goal differential … then someway somehow those intangibles – if they are truly important – must affect the Corgis. Somehow.Now if you don’t see an effect on those Corgis, it doesn’t mean the intangibles don’t exist, or that they aren’t important, it may simply be that we can’t measure their effect as yet. But you have to admit: if an intangible is truly important and yet doesn’t affect shot differential in any way, it’s a leap of faith to think that it is truly important. Yes? No? Maybe so?

    Yes, intangibles can and do impact virtually every stat, from win/loss through to Corsi. You cannot measure any aspect of a team’s performance with zero data, and intangibles, by their very definition, are free of data. They are, by their nature, the essence of the complexity of human and organizational behaviour. The part of human nature that cannot be measured! So it’s the other way around. You discover whether inatngibles exist when no other reasonable explanation exist for a statistical anomaly in the analytics.
    This all came up in the firs tplace when we were all trying to figure out what was at the root of the Oiler’s poor play. Let’s take Yak. His stats declined. What was the driver? That’s the intangible. We know the stats change – for the better or for worse – and sometimes the reason is obvious – such as a broken leg, or incorrect technique. It’s when one has gone through the checklist and there is no clear answer when one reverts to logic and reasoning to determine which aspect of human nature one is dealing with.
    Hope this helps.

  39. G Money says:

    Andy P,

    Sure, I can accept that. What you’re saying is:

    Visibly poor play -> confirmed by stats -> no “tangible” explanation for the change -> logically, an intangible is to blame

    I might still disagree in one way, though, which is that “intangible” is the wrong word in some cases. A better word might be an “imperceptible”, as in imperceptible to us fans who are on the outside and have such a tiny window into the players. Dislike of the coach, lack of belief in the system, or a hidden injury are each in their own way quite tangible.

    My original point was:

    Intangibles -> (if) important -> must affect play -> the effect must therefore be measurable in some way

    So by that token adding a player with “leadership” either improves the play, or that player isn’t actually a leader, or leadership is not an intangible that matters. Sounds like we agree on that point too.

    The commonly asserted point about intangibles is

    Intangibles -> are important -> but have no measurable effect (or no effect that can be measured) -> but they still exist and are important

    *That* I disagree with, and it sounds like you’re on the same page.

  40. Andy P says:

    G Money: Andy P, Sure, I can accept that. What you’re saying is:Visibly poor play -> confirmed by stats -> no “tangible” explanation for the change -> logically, an intangible is to blameI might still disagree in one way, though, which is that “intangible” is the wrong word in some cases. A better word might be an “imperceptible”, as in imperceptible to us fans who are on the outside and have such a tiny window into the players. Dislike of the coach, lack of belief in the system, or a hidden injury are each in their own way quite tangible.My original point was:Intangibles -> (if) important -> must affect play -> the effect must therefore be measurable in some waySo by that token adding a player with “leadership” either improves the play, or that player isn’t actually a leader, or leadership is not an intangible that matters. Sounds like we agree on that point too.The commonly asserted point about intangibles isIntangibles -> are important -> but have no measurable effect (or no effect that can be measured) -> but they still exist and are important*That* I disagree with, and it sounds like you’re on the same page.

    We are definetly on the same page, and for the sake of sanity of those colleagues of ours on this blog, who variously believe in fairies, or watch worn out soap operas or bogus documentaries, I will, in future, adopt the word “imperceptibles” as you suggest.
    Thank you! That was a great discussion!

  41. fifthcartel says:

    Kulemin being available should be one of those big wingers MacT needs to acquire.

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