DEADLINE TRADE VALUE

Earlier this season, Craig MacTavish dealt Ladislav Smid to Calgary for Laurent Brossoit and Roman Horak. That’s not a trade we can really call “true value” and so it’s very hard to justify. We can presume one or more of the following are true:

  • The Oilers changed their mind on Smid (who had signed a four-year extension April 1).
  • Smid’s skills may not have been a match for (new) coach Dallas Eakins.
  • They felt a need to offload him before the trade deadline (when defenders have greater value).
  • The Oilers targeted Laurent Brossoit.
  • The Oilers wanted Ilya Bryzgalov on the roster while not risking bonus money riding into next season.

Either way, I don’t believe anyone can argue Smid’s established level of ability (top four defenseman) has less value at the deadline than it did on the day he was dealt. As fans, how do we establish trade value? We can assess “established value” so why not established trade value? It can’t be that hard, right?

 THE RULES

  • All veteran defensemen are worth fourth round picks (or better). Even if they can barely breathe, or played with Dave Keon. Fourth round, or better.
  • Teams can get value for minor leaguers at the deadline (Oilers sent away Rita and Salmelainen spring 2006 for impressive payoffs) or get them in return if out of the race at the deadline (Nilsson, O’Marra and Plante for 3 weeks of Ryan Smyth). ALMOST ALL of these prospects are spent bullets—the team trading them doesn’t have high value on them.
  • Famous players have value, even among GMs. Phoenix Coyotes traded Georges Laraque to the Pittsburgh Penguins for Daniel Carcillo and a 3rd round selection in 2008. BG was less than 150 games from the end, but he held value well.
  • Young players who hold value are rarely traded for each other. Zack Kassian for Cody Hodgson is a recent famous example.
  • If a team wants a specific player badly enough, they’ll give you a first round pick (Paul Gaustad and a fourth for a first).
  • Nick Schultz once fetched Tom Gilbert.

MY ESTIMATED DEADLINE RETURNS FOR CURRENT OILERS

  • Jordan Eberle: A quality top four defenseman signed long term and possessing a wide range of skills.
  • Jeff Petry: A young, established NHL defenseman capable of playing top 4D minutes (but a different player type).
  • Sam Gagner: A top nine forward with enough skill to play a legit role. A Moreau-type (when he was good) who is established.
  • Ales Hemsky: First-round draft pick (I understand a plug-and-play would be better but teams don’t trade those things at the deadline).
  • Ben Scrivens: A second round pick.
  • Nick Schultz: A third round pick.
  • Ryan Smyth: A fourth round pick.
  • Corey Potter: A fourth round pick.
  • Anton Belov: A fourth round pick.
  • Ilya Bryzgalov: A fourth round pick.
  • Jesse Joensuu: A fourth round pick.
  • Taylor Fedun: A fourth round pick.
  • Mark Fraser: A fourth round pick.
  • Luke Gazdic: A fifth round pick.
  • Ryan Jones: A sixth round pick.
  • Denis Grebeshkov: A seventh round pick.
  • Ben Eager: A seventh round pick.

I don’t believe we’ll see any of Eberle, Petry or Scrivens dealt but included them because some of these names have been out there since early in the season, and Petry is a player whose value will be quite strong at the deadline (seller’s market).

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  1. John Chambers says:

    I’d like to see us trade for a young player or two who may have lost their lustre in another market, such as Kulikov or Ryan Strome.

    Draft scmaft – this team needs to stock up on NHL players starting now and continuing through the draft and summer.

  2. prairieschooner says:

    Kulikov is an untouchable with his club their radio guy said earlier this week.
    Anyone who has lost their lustre probably has a price tag attached that has helped create their lustrelessness

  3. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    I think this is a fair water mark. But it might be a little conservative, depending on how the market plays out.

    Schultz may snag a 2nd and Belov may a 3rd.

    I don’t think JJ gets a 4th. If he was a fighter or could PK maybe. But right now he’s just an ailing 13th F that hasn’t show much in the show.

    If either of Grebs or Eager got picked up that would startling!

    ————
    BTW, haven’t seen it mentioned yet, but here’s a very minor AHL/ECHL deal Scott pulled off the other day:

    http://www.okcbarons.com/index.cfm?fa=pressreleases&ra=showarticle&guid=E9993B55-3BD0-44E8-B00C-A9953FE1BBA7

    Scott will be interesting to watch over the end the season.

  4. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Bruce Garrioch ‏@SunGarrioch 3m
    Spoke to three teams today. All said it was quiet. Expect trade talks to resume Monday. @BobbyT52 @Real_Kyper @darenmillard

    Still nothing. we wait.

  5. Younger Oil says:

    As of right now, we don’t draft from #2 until #146. We need to load up on a few picks in between there to ensure a steady stream of prospects coming in over the years.

    Probably the best course of action (IMO) would be to make all the above suggested trades possible except Eberle, Scrivens, Petry, and possibly Fedun. The ones for Jones/Gazdic/Eager/Grebeshkov/Joensuu are unlikely to happen, but the other ones do seem in the realm of possibility. That would give us and extra 1st round pick, 3rd round pick, and five fourth round picks.

    Then, we could do the reverse of last year’s draft, and trade 2 4th rounders for a third rounder twice, then 2 3rd rounders for a second rounder. Then, I believe we’d have a pick in every round, and two in the first and fourth.

    Maybe some will disagree, but I think a steady flow of prospects is incredibly important for a rebuilding team. The more bullets for Stu the better.

  6. meanashell11 says:

    Jordan Eberle: A quality top four defenseman signed long term and possessing a wide range of skills.
    Jeff Petry: A young, established NHL defenseman capable of playing top 4D minutes (but a different player type).
    Sam Gagner: A top nine forward with enough skill to play a legit role. A Moreau-type (when he was good) who is established.
    Ales Hemsky: First-round draft pick (I understand a plug-and-play would be better but teams don’t trade those things at the deadline).
    Ben Scrivens: A second round pick.
    Nick Schultz: A third round pick.
    Ryan Smyth: A fourth round pick. HIGHER
    Corey Potter: A fourth round pick. LOWER
    Anton Belov: A fourth round pick. HIGHER
    Ilya Bryzgalov: A fourth round pick. HIGHER
    Jesse Joensuu: A fourth round pick.
    Taylor Fedun: A fourth round pick. HIGHER
    Mark Fraser: A fourth round pick.
    Luke Gazdic: A fifth round pick. IF FRASER IS WORTH A 4TH LUKE IS WORTH A 3RD
    Ryan Jones: A sixth round pick. HIGHER
    Denis Grebeshkov: A seventh round pick.
    Ben Eager: A seventh round pick.

    I honestly dont care if we pick in this draft or not if we can trade what we have including our picks for genuine hockey players. We have a bit of a log jam in OKC so more bullets for Stu does not matter to me. Having said that, I don’t think we will get the returns we want so keep NHL players, trade the rest and keep the 1st rounder.

  7. supernova says:

    A few project players I would like to see the oilers target;

    Adam Larsson – something has happened for him to be touted so high and now is In the AHL

    Brett Connelly- when he is on he is allegedly dominant maybe a change in locals and organizations would help

    Grigerenko- similar to the above player but seems misused akin to Lander being tossed in too early.

    If we are selling low on some of our players why not buy low on a few others.

  8. John Chambers says:

    supernova,

    That’s exactly what I mean. Niederreiter was a steal for Minny, while if LT had his way we’d h ave traded for Ryan Johansen last summer.

    Grigerenko would be a target.

  9. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    John Chambers:
    supernova,

    That’s exactly what I mean. Niederreiter was a steal for Minny, while if LT had his way we’d h ave traded for Ryan Johansen last summer.

    Grigerenko would be a target.

    Grigs was the same as RyJo last Summer. That’s a player you target while Regier is still on the job.

    A lot of people interpreted Grigs’ demotion as a sign the organization was screwing him up and had soured on him… my take was just the opposite: they finally figured out what they should have been doing all along.

  10. VanOil says:

    Even if they can barely breathe, or played with Dave Keon. Fourth round, or better

    Steve Smith for a 4th, His replacement Rocky is ready for a call up.

    I would rather keep him but does Hemsky get you Olli Määttä?

  11. VanOil says:

    stevezie:
    Lowetide,

    Considering your love of Finns, hockey, and the stories behind the game I highly reccomend this article on how Finland became the goalie factory it is:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/03/the-puck-stops-here/357579/

    This is a great article. Moral of the story draft Swedish or Finnish goalies and don’t bring them over to North America to soon. Then hire Finish goalie coaches.

  12. Captain Smarmy says:

    Work made me go to Tampa, FL and the first thing I did was check the Bolts sked. Lucky me the Panthers are in town and I scored a center ice lower bowl ticket on Stub hub for 45 bucks.

    Makes me wish I could live in a non-hockey market. (not Florida though)

  13. The Great One says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: Grigs was the same as RyJo last Summer. That’s a player you target while Regier is still on the job.

    A lot of people interpreted Grigs’ demotion as a sign the organization was screwing him up and had soured on him… my take was just the opposite: they finally figured out what they should have been doing all along.

    Yep.

    Grigerenko is just one of Buffalo’s under 25 group that is shaping up to be outstanding.

    Cody Hodgson, 24, #10 OV

    Tyler Ennis, 24, #26 OV

    Tyler Meyers, 24, #12 OV

    Mark Pysyk, 22, #23 OV

    Zemgus Girgensons, 20. #14 OV

    Joel Armia, 20, #16 OV

    Mikhail Grigorenko, 19, #12 OV

    Rasmus Ristolainen, 19, #8 OV

    Nikita Zadorov, 18, #26 OV

    So, that’s 9 1st round picks, ALL of which are trending well.

    They will also likely be picking 1st overall and I would imagine they’ll be taking one of the top end centres.

    So, their centre depth in the near future will be:

    Grigorenko

    Reinhart

    Hodgson

    Girgensons

    Ennis

    On D:

    Ehrhoff

    Myers

    Ristolainen

    Zadorov

    McBain

    McNabb

    If they manage to trade Miller, Moulson and Ott for a couple more 1st round picks and a 2nd, they could come out of the draft absolutely loaded for bear.

    Certainly not ready to contend but, good grief, what a foundation to build on.

    Hemsky for Tyler Ennis anyone?

  14. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Cullen looks at the West, with section on the Oil:

    http://www.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/story/?id=444304

  15. cabbiesmacker says:

    The Great One: Yep.

    Hemsky for Tyler Ennis anyone?

    Uhhh No.

  16. hunter1909 says:

    Sather would routinely add major pieces every deadline; Lowe and MacT in various Doctor Who style lives have been bungling away the past 15+ years now.

    Okay except for that fluke 2006 Florida Panthers moment.

  17. The Great One says:

    cabbiesmacker: Uhhh No.

    Hemsky is UFA @ $5M

    Ennis is RFA @ $2.8M

    Ennis has 29 pts.

    Hemsky has 24 pts.

    Ennis has more value.

  18. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    VanOil:
    I would rather keep him but does Hemsky get you Olli Määttä?

    No. Not because of Hemsky so much as Maatta is their Nurse. They see him as a cornerstone of the future.

    And, what with their cap tied up so much in a couple rock stars… having years of control over an RFA talent is key.

    He’s not going anywhere. They need him.

    Or, rather you’d have to come up with an above-market price… like you would to snag Nurse.

  19. cabbiesmacker says:

    The Great One: Hemsky is UFA @ $5M

    Ennis is RFA @ $2.8M

    Ennis has 29 pts.

    Hemsky has 24 pts.

    Ennis has more value.

    Ennis is another, non impacting, smurf centre who’d get eaten alive by pretty much every 1st or 2nd line C in the west. Last thing we need.

    I wouldn’t trade Gagner for the guy which is saying a lot and could care less if he has more “perceived” value than Hemsky. He’s of “little” value to the Oilers.

  20. cabbiesmacker says:

    VanOil:

    does Hemsky get you Olli Määttä?

    Not even within a whisper.

  21. art vandelay says:

    Hemsky for Tyler Ennis anyone?

    Just what the Oilers need. Another midget.

  22. The Great One says:

    art vandelay:

    I tend to agree.

    But that is likely close to Hemsky’s value.

    With the Islanders, Buffalo, Florida, Calgary and the Oilers all likely sellers at the deadline, here are the scoring wingers available to the buyers.

    Moulson

    Boyes

    Stafford

    Fleischman

    Upshall

    Kopecy

    Stempniak

    Cammalleri

    Hemsky

    How many buyers are there?

  23. mumbai max says:

    Here is a trade thought.

    Gagner to Nashville for Legwand and a good prospect.

    I know Legwand is a UFA, but bringing him to play 20 games with Perron and Eberle is probably a better way to convince him to sign here than a summer overpayment. He could be our perfect 2C. It means we get poor value if he does not sign, but it seems like a reasonable gamble assuming he is interested (NTC)

  24. RexLibris says:

    Interesting values associated with the players listed.

    One point I think needs to be made here, and I’ve made it ad nauseam over at FN on account of frequent arguments that Mike Cammalleri is worth a 1st and a prospect and a player (bag of chips is negotiable, though) is that every trade deadline is its own event and one cannot necessarily carry market value expectations over from one to the next.

    Each TD has a new set of buyers and sellers in various quantities and each one carries with it a collection of draft picks that vary in value depending on the relative opinions of the GMs and scouts for that year.

    That being said, some things do bear true year over year: depth defensemen have value at the deadline that often far exceeds ordinary expectation, there is almost always one GM who makes a bad trade usually by way of overpay, and most returns involve draft picks.

    All I can say is Thank Gord Tambellini was never in a position to be a buyer on deadline day.

  25. The Great One says:

    mumbai max:
    Here is a trade thought.

    Gagner to Nashville for Legwand and a good prospect.

    I know Legwand is a UFA, but bringing him to play 20 games with Perron and Eberle is probably a better way to convince him to sign here than a summer overpayment. He could be our perfect 2C. It means we get poor value if he does not sign, but it seems like a reasonable gamble assuming he is interested (NTC)

    Legwand is a better hockey player than Sam Gagner so why would Nashville add a “good prospect” to land Gagner?

    Legwand has been a Predator since he was drafted so wouldn’t it make more sense for Nashville to re-sign him rather than give up Legwand and a prospect for an overpaid Sam Gagner?

  26. RexLibris says:

    The Great One: I tend to agree.

    But that is likely close to Hemsky’s value.

    With the Islanders, Buffalo, Florida, Calgary and the Oilers all likely sellers at the deadline, here are the scoring wingers available to the buyers.

    Moulson

    Boyes

    Stafford

    Fleischman

    Upshall

    Kopecy

    Stempniak

    Cammalleri

    Hemsky

    How many buyers are there?

    Vanek?

  27. supernova says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Agree, but it also depends on the player.

    Should the sabres handled him differently in the past. That is the gift of hindsight.

    But because he was handled poorly he might want out, New GM wants people that want to change the culture.

    …. So you are saying there is a chance…

  28. The Great One says:

    RexLibris: Vanek?

    Yep.

    Missed him.

    I would imagine, with Tavares gone for the season, the fire sale on Long Island has already started,

    I think Vanek ends up in Minnesota and Moulson or Cammy goes to LA.

  29. supernova says:

    The Great One,

    “So, that’s 9 1st round picks, ALL of which are trending well.”

    Ummm, this is not accurate.

  30. The Great One says:

    supernova:
    The Great One,

    “So, that’s 9 1st round picks, ALL of which are trending well.”

    Ummm, this is not accurate.

    It’s not?

    Please explain.

  31. supernova says:

    John Chambers,

    We are in agreement. Wanted NiNo and Johanssen as well.

    When players are highly touted and highly scouted I really feel the Oilers should be at the table trying for a deal.

    Jersey needs depth and prospects and picks, I would be targeting them for Larsson.

    Oilers do have assets that one of these teams might want.

    Tampa maybe it’s Hemsky or Schultz or Pitlick or jones or a combination of them.

    Jersey maybe it’s Gagner or klefbom or Gernat or Musil or a combination of them.

  32. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    supernova:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Agree, but it also depends on the player.

    Should the sabres handled him differently in the past. That is the gift of hindsight.

    But because he was handled poorly he might want out, New GM wants people that want to change the culture.

    …. So you are saying there is a chance…

    It’s entirely plausible that one or both of those things are true (player wants out; GM wants a change).

    But I suspect the new GM sat him down and they set up a game plan for the future (that’s what I’d do) and a new GM/coach is basically like being on a new team, so Grigs is already out as it were.

    And, it’s not like another team is going to handle him differently. Any competent manager would have had him back in junior much earlier.

  33. The Great One says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: It’s entirely plausible that one or both of those things are true (player wants out; GM wants a change).

    But I suspect the new GM sat him down and they set up a game plan for the future (that’s what I’d do) and a new GM/coach is basically like being on a new team, so Grigs is already out as it were.

    And, it’s not like another team is going to handle him differently. Any competent manager would have had him back in junior much earlier.

    Agree completely.

    Regier was trying to hang on to his job and failed.

    Everything is back on track.

  34. mumbai max says:

    The Great One: Legwand is a better hockey player than Sam Gagner so why would Nashville add a “good prospect” to land Gagner?

    Legwand has been a Predator since he was drafted so wouldn’t it make more sense for Nashville to re-sign him rather than give up Legwand and a prospect for an overpaid Sam Gagner?

    1. Legwand is UFA, Gagner is not.
    2. If he wanted to stay, he would likely have already signed (conjecture)

  35. supernova says:

    The Great One,

    Myers is not trending well
    Grigerenko is not trending well

    Hodgson and Gagner are fairly interchangeable as players except Gagner has 200+ more games played

    Ennis’ best year was 3 seasons ago and he is a secondary player along the lines of a Versteeg

    Agree on Pysyk, sure but what’s his peak ? Petry at best ?

    Girgensons- I would take him in a heart beat but he is currently projecting as a #3 Center which is fine but as a #14 overall pick

    Ristolainen- absolutely up arrows looks to be a great pick
    Zadorov- ditto
    armia- first season in NA

    I would grade those 9 as

    Ristolainen and zadorov as trending well
    Hodgson and armia, and Girgensons as decent
    Ennis and Pysyk and Myers as replaceable in a rebuild under a new GM

    Grigerenko as a big question mark

    To me that is not 9 trending up

  36. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    The other thing about Grigs to keep in mind:

    a) good GM/Coaches need to fight through the BS about what players and media think demotions mean, esp. for young, still developing players. It’s not a sign of failure per se. It’s simply an acknowledgement that development isn’t a straight line.

    b) the CHL/NHL really needs to scrap that deal. There’s no good reason a player like Grigs shouldn’t be in the AHL if that’s where the Sabres think he belongs. It’s a stupid deal that hurts players and NHL teams.

  37. RexLibris says:

    The Great One: Yep.

    Missed him.

    I would imagine, with Tavares gone for the season, the fire sale on Long Island has already started,

    I think Vanek ends up in Minnesota and Moulson or Cammy goes to LA.

    With Tavares out and the pick to Buffalo this year being conditional should the Islanders be drafting in the top ten, I think it creates some new pressures on Snow.

    Do the Islanders let this pick go to Buffalo and retain their 1st rounder for next season?

    Can they expect to be significantly better next season or does their 1st rounder for 2015 have a chance at being in the McDavid lottery?

    Can they expect to recoup even equal value in a Vanek deal at the deadline given what they forfeit to acquire him?

    I suspect that the deadline deal for Vanek may likely seal Garth Snow’s fate as GM. If he doesn’t at least break even, I doubt even Wang could look past replacing him.

    But hey! Good news! Yashin only has one more year left on his buyout. Suppose they’ll have to find another way to get to the salary floor in 2015-16.

  38. supernova says:

    The Great One,

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Fair points

    We do not know these conversations so what I am saying is if I was MacT I would be stirring the pot with ideas

  39. supernova says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Problem is what does the CHL gain?

  40. Hammers says:

    The Great One: I tend to agree.

    But that is likely close to Hemsky’s value.

    With the Islanders, Buffalo, Florida, Calgary and the Oilers all likely sellers at the deadline, here are the scoring wingers available to the buyers.

    Moulson

    Boyes

    Stafford

    Fleischman

    Upshall

    Kopecy

    Stempniak

    Cammalleri

    Hemsky

    How many buyers are there?

    10

  41. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    supernova:
    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Problem is what does the CHL gain?

    The CHL is doing fine.

    Having a few cases — and really we are talking about a minority of cases here — like Nurse, or Grigs, not be stifled unnecessarily by their league isn’t going to hurt them.

    The fact is, they are losing the players now because idiot GMs want their players playing men so badly that they play them in the NHL early. So they don’t have these players often anyway.

    I’m sure they see it as essential, but I’m not so sure they aren’t holding onto something just for the sake of it.

  42. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    supernova:
    The Great One,

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    Fair points

    We do not know these conversations so what I am saying is if I was MacT I would be stirring the pot with ideas

    Oh, for sure. He should be checking all avenues… and like I said, it is entirely plausible that the Sabres and Grigs want to move on, who knows.

    At any rate, MacT should definitely be looking BUF and every other team over hard right now for useful pieces.

  43. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    RexLibris:
    I suspect that the deadline deal for Vanek may likely seal Garth Snow’s fate as GM. If he doesn’t at least break even, I doubt even Wang could look past replacing him.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=171FURqSIQc

  44. The Great One says:

    supernova:
    The Great One,

    Myers is not trending well
    Grigerenko is not trending well

    Hodgson and Gagner are fairly interchangeable as players except Gagner has 200+ more games played

    Ennis’ best year was 3 seasons ago and he is a secondary player along the lines of a Versteeg

    Agree on Pysyk, sure but what’s his peak ? Petry at best ?

    Girgensons- I would take him in a heart beat but he is currently projecting as a #3 Center which is fine but as a #14 overall pick

    Ristolainen- absolutely up arrows looks to be a great pick
    Zadorov- ditto
    armia- first season in NA

    I would grade those 9 as

    Ristolainen and zadorov as trending well
    Hodgson and armia, and Girgensons as decent
    Ennis and Pysyk and Myers as replaceable in a rebuild under a new GM

    Grigerenko as a big question mark

    To me that is not 9 trending up

    1) It’s always difficult to get a read on a young defenseman playing on a horrible team but Myers, at a very young age, is facing the toughest competition.

    2) Grigerenko has 21 points in 13 games in the Q, He’s trending VERY well.

    3) Hodgson was drafted a year later than Gagner AND missed an entire season because of a back injury. In the current season, Hodgson despite being younger, has 39 points. Gagner has 24.
    Your argument has no merit.

    4) Ennis is easily a better player than Anton Lander or Mark Arcobello,

    5) Who knows? Pysyk has a better pedigree and is much younger.

    6) A talented 3rd line centre when you already have the top 2 spots covered is just fine. The Oilers don’t have either a #2 or #3C. Gordon is a #4C on any good team.

    7) Grigerenko is not a question mark. He’s killing the Q.

    8) There are no negatives with Buffalo’s young group although the biggest question mark is Tyler Meyers.

    If Buffalo ends up with the #1 overall pick, the NYI pick and a couple more 1st round picks for Miller and Moulson, they will have the foundation for an incredibly talented young team that will only have to add some veteran wingers to be dominant.

    Watch.

  45. The Great One says:

    RexLibris: With Tavares out and the pick to Buffalo this year being conditional should the Islanders be drafting in the top ten, I think it creates some new pressures on Snow.

    Do the Islanders let this pick go to Buffalo and retain their 1st rounder for next season?

    Can they expect to be significantly better next season or does their 1st rounder for 2015 have a chance at being in the McDavid lottery?

    Can they expect to recoup even equal value in a Vanek deal at the deadline given what they forfeit to acquire him?

    I suspect that the deadline deal for Vanek may likely seal Garth Snow’s fate as GM. If he doesn’t at least break even, I doubt even Wang could look past replacing him.

    But hey! Good news! Yashin only has one more year left on his buyout. Suppose they’ll have to find another way to get to the salary floor in 2015-16.

    A huge deal for Snow.

    What is the Connor McDavid lottery ticket worth?

    If I were him, I would give Buffalo the pick this season and hang on.

    Problem is, Buffalo may end up with the top 2 picks in this draft and may have another 2-3 to sweep up with.

  46. VanOil says:

    Eakins giving the players a seminar in analytics during the mini camp he does not believe they understand what is being written, interesting. I hope they bring in Parkatti or Dellow to give the lecture.

  47. supernova says:

    The Great One: 1) It’s always difficult to get a read on a young defenseman playing on a horrible team but Myers, at a very young age, is facing the toughest competition.

    2) Grigerenko has 21 points in 13 games in the Q, He’s trending VERY well.

    3) Hodgson was drafted a year later than Gagner AND missed an entire season because of a back injury. In the current season, Hodgson despite being younger, has 39 points. Gagner has 24.
    Your argument has no merit.

    4) Ennis is easily a better player than Anton Lander or Mark Arcobello,

    5)Who knows? Pysyk has a better pedigree and is much younger.

    6) A talented3rd line centre when you already have the top 2 spots covered is just fine. The Oilers don’t have either a #2 or #3C. Gordon is a #4C on any good team.

    7) Grigerenko is not a question mark. He’s killing the Q.

    8) There are no negatives with Buffalo’s young group although the biggest question mark is Tyler Meyers.

    If Buffalo ends up with the #1 overall pick, the NYI pick and a couple more 1st round picks for Miller and Moulson, they will have the foundation for an incredibly talented young team that will only have to add some veteran wingers to be dominant.

    Watch.

    I agree on a young talented team and they will add more to it with trades for picks and prospects.

    I disagreed on the 9 trending up,

    I stated my thoughts on those 9 with reasoning. I am not debating they have young talent. Once again that 9 are all positive.

    Fact is they aren’t all trending up.

    Can they turn it around? Sure

    I have watched Ennis play a lot, WHL and NHL when and if buffalo turns the corner I will be shocked if he is on the team. That is the type of player teams move on from. Is he better than Lander? Sure is, wll he play a key role? Highly unlikely

    Grigerenko is tearing up the Q for sure, fact is he has been greatly mishandled that saying he is a question mark is fair for multiple reasons.

    Hodgson does not have 39 points. They are interchangeable players at this point with birthdays months apart. Can they be second line players? Yes

    Not sure why we are discussing oilers lack of a 2 or a 3 Center. Boyd Gordon is a fine player in a bottom 6.

    Girgensons, Ristolainen, zadorov are all fine prospects. I would take them all.

    Does buffalo have a lot of young talented players and will they add more ? Absolutely

    Are they all trending well and will they all make it with buffalo? No, it just doesn’t happen.

    LT writes about this frequently. If they where all trending well, they would be better than their record. They have warts just like Edmonton.

    Will they have more depth than Edmonton? Sure looks like it.

    If you are a buffalo fan cheering for lots of prospects, you probably want Islanders to pick this year and keep the extra pick for the McDavid draft.

  48. Woodguy says:

    The Great One: A huge deal for Snow.

    What is the Connor McDavid lottery ticket worth?

    If I were him, I would give Buffalo the pick this season and hang on.

    Problem is, Buffalo may end up with the top 2 picks in this draft and may have another 2-3 to sweep up with.

    Its not just Connor McDavid.

    Some people like Jack Eichel as much as McDavid.

    2nd in scoring (only 1 pt behind 1st) on the US National Development team this year and isn’t draft eligible until next year.

    Barzal and Strome rated highly as well.

    By many accounts 2015 is deeeeeeep.

    Having a 1st anywhere in that draft is a good thing.

  49. stevezie says:

    Dynamite feed if anyone needs one for Sweden-Finland:
    http://goatd.net/76622/watch-ice-hockey-men-sweden-vs-finland

  50. stevezie says:

    Bohologo,

    Yep.
    Close game so far. Interesting that Jonathan Eriksson appears to be the Swede’s #1 defenceman, either him or Kronwall. Is OEL hurt or has he been bad?

  51. stevezie says:

    Bohologo,

    Nice first period, but talent pulled away. Man was Selanne solid tonight though. One of the best games I’ve ever seen him play.

  52. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy: Its not just Connor McDavid.

    Some people like Jack Eichel as much as McDavid.

    2nd in scoring (only 1 pt behind 1st) on the US National Development team this year and isn’t draft eligible until next year.

    Barzal and Strome rated highly as well.

    By many accounts 2015 is deeeeeeep.

    Having a 1st anywhere in that draft is a good thing.

    So here’s a thought – trade Hemsky for a conditional pick, 2nd rounder this year if the team acquiring goes out in the first or second round, a 1st next year if they get into the third round or beyond.

    I’d still rather keep him, but if you have to move the asset reducing payment or deferring it for a year might be a wise move. Furniture empires have been founded on the idea. ;)

  53. cc says:

    The Islanders could be a good off-season trading partner, regardless of whether they keep the pick or not. Snow put the team in a bad situation, if they keep the pick they could be giving up a chance at McDavid or Eichel. If they don’t keep the pick it sends a message to the team that they don’t think they are playoff contenders next year.

    Let’s say they keep the pick. The Islanders might feel pressure to trade prospects for established players. Do you think a Gagner (friends with Tavares) as part of a package for one of their prospects? (Strome, Reinhart ..). If the Islanders draft Max Reinhart or Sam Bennett that might make Strome redundant.

    Let’s say they don’t keep the pick. Do the Islanders sell of established players like Nielson, Vishnovsky and Grabner? Nielson would be a hell of a pickup but would cost a pretty.

    It’s interesting this could be in the range of Yashin for Spezza & Chara, or Luongo & Jokinen for Parrish & Kvasha or Tom Kurvers dealt for the draft pick that turned into Scott Niedermyer.

  54. russ99 says:

    When is the deadline? Wednesday or Thursday – since I need to figure out how much extra work to do early in the week so I can follow Tradecenter on deadline day. :)

  55. Kosmo Kraemer says:

    Hey Russ, deadline day is Wednesday March 5th

  56. russ99 says:

    Kosmo Kraemer,

    Sweet, another week. For some reason I thought it was next week.

  57. gcw_rocks says:

    supernova,

    Myers has played better this season, at least by some recent reports. Nolan seems to have ehlped his game.

    Pysyk is doing very well. If he is Petry that’s a very good thing.

    Ennis and Grigs are the only ones I would agree with you on. Grigs is a bit of a question mark at this point. Ennis is a complementary player.

    But the future in Buffalo, should they take Reinhardt this draft, looks very good. They need to deal Miller to the Blues for Jake Allen to get a young goalie to go with the core they are building and they are going to be a great shape in a couple of years..

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