OILERS AT RANGERS G59, 13-14

Craig MacTavish is busy these days trying to add useful pieces to the puzzle. Edmonton’s major league roster has holes and the minor league system does too. It’s also clear the GM has made his decision on many of the players inherited on the roster. And he’s culling the herd.

  • Cam Abney: Heh.
  • Eric Belanger: He signed his retirement contract with Edmonton.
  • Phil Cornet: Classic tweener.
  • Yann Danis: Minor league veteran.
  • Teemu Hartikainen: The original scouting report suggested his third gear didn’t exist, and we are here.
  • Darcy Hordichuk: Tough job.
  • Tanner House: Doesn’t have NHL ability.
  • Nikolai Khabibulin: He got another contract. Incredible.
  • Ryan Martindale: Original scouting report talked about losing battles and lacking speed.
  • Alex Plante: Best of luck. Concussions are tough..
  • Linus Omark: The Oilers have small forwards by the 8-piece setting, so losing Omark is a footnote. Still, he has skill.
  • Lennart Petrell: Yeah.
  • Olivier Roy: A goalie prospect of some quality.
  • Toni Rajala: Bizarre exit, he has talent.
  • Jarred Smithson: Tambo’s folly.
  • Garrett Stafford: Don’t remember.
  • Colten Teubert: Remember.
  • Chris VandeVelde: Caught on with Philly in fringe role.
  • Ryan Whitney: Has played in 6 NHL games this season.

There are players leaving that I believe have value:

  • Devan Dubnyk: The big man had a horrible year, and will have to recover his career (possibly in the AHL). I think he has value, and the Oilers sold low on him. I did think they paid him too much.
  • Mark Fistric: Grabbed an NHL job, and then got an extension.
  • Shawn Horcoff: Quality player over many years, he’s still missed here.
  • Magnus Paajarvi: The speedy winger is struggling in St. Louis, and the Oilers certainly received value, but he’s a player worth following.
  • Theo Peckham: Opportunity missed, by player and team.

That’s 24. Let me ask you: how many of those players should have been kept? Understanding that Horcoff’s cap hit and history were factors (MacT did him a favor, I think) I’ll say Horcoff, Paajarvi and Dubnyk but there are answers for each name (cap room, Perron and holy hell man, did you see the games?). The other day David Staples over at CofH ran a survey that asked if MacT was doing a better job than Tambellini. I’m astounded anyone thought the question needed asking. Look at the names sent away! Look at how few are in the NHL! It’s criminal.

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This is Rick Middleton. He was drafted in 1973 (14th overall) by the New York Rangers, but he was probably the second or third best player in the draft that season. The Rangers procurement department at that time was run by Dennis Ball and he was a very good hockey man. The Rangers of my youth were very good, but not good enough to beat Boston or the Habs each spring. They punted Emile Francis in 1976 and John Ferguson flushed all the skill and searched for veterans. The trade of Rick Middleton to Boston for a finished Ken Hodge was kind of like trading Nail Yakupov for Chris Kunitz today.

beckThis is Barry Beck. He was a mountain on skates, and Ferguson’s replacement in NYC (Fred Shero) wanted him for his Big Apple Reset. The Rangers sent away 5 players for Beck, who lost much of his career to injury. Looking back, NYR didn’t get value, but that trade made a helluva lot more sense than the Middleton deal. The Rangers traded away Stanley’s every decade of my life, and then they probably traded away two in acquiring the 1994 championship. What  a way to run a railroad.

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There are usually a ton of ex-Oilers on the Rangers and vice-versa, but Corey Potter is the only man to have played in both uniforms. This is the 6,000 NHL game for the blueshirts, they are the 5th team to manage that number. NYR are 15-5-1 in their last 21 games, including a 10-3-0 mark in their last 13.

PROJECTED LINEUP

  • Nuge-Hall-Yakupov
  • Gagner-Perron-Eberle
  • Gordon-Hendricks-Hemsky
  • Smyth-Gazdic-Joensuu
  • Marincin-Petry
  • Ference-J Schultz
  • Fraser-N Scultz
  • Scrivens

CORSI FOR %, OILERS BLUE

  1. Martin Marincin 49.7
  2. Jeff Petry 47.5
  3. Anton Belov 46.3
  4. Taylor Fedun 45.7
  5. Phil Larsen 44.5
  6. Andrew Ference 43.2
  7. Ladislav Smid 43.1
  8. Justin Schultz 43.1
  9. Nick Schultz 41.3
  10. Corey Potter 40.1
  11. Mark Fraser 31.8
  12. Brad Hunt 30.8

The future is at the top, the veterans in the middle and the new hire (Fraser) looks about AHL replacement level. I would like to see the club retain Marincin, Petry, Belov, Fedun, Ference, Justin Schultz and Potter for the second half, possibly calling up Klefbom in case of injury.

TRADES?

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We’re at a point now where there’s no real benefit to trading before the Olympic deadline. If the Kings dealt for Gagner today, it isn’t like he’s going to make a huge difference (no games to play after tonight). Kings can save their cap $$ and make their decision after the break. Los Angeles’ first game back is Feb 26 (Oilers play the 27th) and March 5th is the deadline.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

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A busy, fluid day on the show. 10 this morning, TSN 1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Dennis King, Oilogosphere icon. Yakupov makes the top line, Arco to the minors, the PP to the ditch.
  • Evan Sporer, Blueshirt Banter. We’ll talk about the Rangers and old man Sather.
  • Michael Parkatti, Boys on the Bus. Eakins promising improvement during the break. What would that look like?

10-1260 via text @Lowetide_ on twitter. Guests added as we go. See you on the radio!

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  1. delooper says:

    striatic:
    Missed most of this game, but Gazdic had a pretty good shift recently. True of the game as a whole?

    The Gazdic line has looked really good tonight.

  2. Lowetide says:

    OilClog:
    Gagner has become gun shy, he may not notice it or realize. But his natural reaction is to act “Sedin” now, that’s not the Samwise of old. Kassian deserved 25games at least.

    Kassian deserved the chair.

  3. spoiler says:

    delooper: The Gazdic line has looked really good tonight.

    Yes, they’ve done well with limited time on their matchups.

    On another note, this has been one of the worst games I’ve seen Hemsky play this year.

  4. "Steve Smith" says:

    spoiler: Yes, they’ve done well with limited time on their matchups.

    On another note, this has been one of the worst games I’ve seen Hemsky play this year.

    He’s showcasing himself. HE WANTS TO REMAIN AN OILER!

  5. VanOil says:

    Eakins stared the same fucking line that started the 2nd.

  6. spoiler says:

    Yak watching the puck a little there in the Ozone… finally started to move his feet at the end.

  7. nelson88 says:

    14 works much better with 93 and 4 then 64 does. I wish Eakins would just leave them alone.

  8. OilClog says:

    Lowetide: Kassian deserved the chair.

    I would of bought that on PPV.

  9. Ryan says:

    nelson88:
    14 works much better with 93 and 4 then 64 does. I wish Eakins would just leave them alone.

    Maybe Mact is trying to showcase Gagner, so he’s given him 14.

  10. Ryan says:

    It’s also a road game and Vignault knows where to find the filet.

  11. spoiler says:

    Ryan: Maybe Mact is trying to showcase Gagner, so he’s given him 14.

    Or maybe it’s accountability. Played right before the roster freeze for extra effect.

  12. Ryan says:

    They’re targeting the Gagner line…

  13. spoiler says:

    Again why was that blown dead?

  14. flyfish1168 says:

    spoiler: Yak watching the puck a little there in the Ozone… finally started to move his feet at the end.

    The threesome looks like a work in progress but the do have 12 of the 27 shots at NYR net to this point.

  15. spoiler says:

    Dirty Yak attack, lol,

  16. VanOil says:

    spoiler:
    Dirty Yak attack, lol,

    The Dirty Yak = Quick brutal slash
    The Yakety Yak = Rocket Ship Shot from the Dot
    The Yak Attack = Velocity based checking

  17. spoiler says:

    Brainlock on that shot by Yak there. Can’t wait till his head catches up with his talent.

  18. OilBuzz says:

    Was that actually a blade issue or was Marincin just flailing and panicking?

  19. Lowetide says:

    Ghastly play by Petry.

  20. OilBuzz says:

    panic mode!

  21. flyfish1168 says:

    what a rocket by Yak

  22. spoiler says:

    There it is!

  23. Derek says:

    Nail Yakupov is so fucking cool.

  24. spoiler says:

    Still looks winnable.

  25. OilBuzz says:

    WHAT A SHOT

  26. VanOil says:

    Eakins has not played Fraser much in the second half of the 3d period. Maybe he is not as dumb as Godot says he is. I fhe is on in the next 48 seconds I take it back, he is.

  27. nelson88 says:

    Well played road game by the Oil. Well done!

  28. Captain Smarmy says:

    Just wanted to stop by and say holy hell it’s good to see Tsar Bomba again. It’s as powerful and terrifying as I remembered.

  29. russ99 says:

    Yak baby.

    Nice play behind the net by Hall and Gagner too,

  30. VanOil says:

    Why don’t coaches facing the extra attacker in the last minutes throw on an Extra D? 3D 2C seems like a good idea. Obviously the Oilers don’t have 3D worth icing but other teams do.

  31. russ99 says:

    Heck of a win. :)

  32. FTO says:

    So freakin nice seeing us win a close game, fantastic goaltending from Scrivens and what a shot by Yak. LOVE IT!

  33. OilBuzz says:

    Is it safe to cheer for the Oilers again?

  34. stevezie says:

    Big win for nycoil’s lucky hat.

  35. D says:

    Pretty steady game by the Oil tonight. Looks like they’re starting to settle down as a team – decent goaltending certainly helps the cause.

  36. delooper says:

    Hopefully this season keeps on piling on some silver linings. This little run helps.

  37. russ99 says:

    OilBuzz,

    Nah, but at least we have something positive to think about during 3 weeks of no Oilers hockey.

  38. Lois Lowe says:

    So does Scrivens’ agent get an offer over the break?

  39. spoiler says:

    Lois Lowe: So does Scrivens’ agent get an offer over the break?

    SIGN SCRIVENS NOW.

  40. B S says:

    Just logged in to ask. Did anyone else see Hall eating Nash’s lunch in that 3rd period? at both ends of the ice?

  41. Zelepukin says:

    That was all Hall on setting up the goal. Gagner just blndly through it out front, Ranger player should have picked it up.

  42. spoiler says:

    Survioil: New Yak City!

    That’s perfect.

  43. Thiru says:

    Zelepukin:
    That was all Hall on setting up the goal. Gagner just blndly through it out front, Ranger player should have picked it up.

    I don’t know about that. Gagner took a quick look before getting that puck.

    Props to 89. That was a sweet play.

  44. spoiler says:

    Survioil: New Yak City!

    If Gene doesn’t use that tomorrow night, I will be disappointed.

  45. John Chambers says:

    Who doesn’t like Yak on the top line now?

  46. Numenius says:

    Yak’s beauty goal was with Hall and Gagner.

    I wonder how that line would work. That way they could keep Ebs and Nuge together as Krueger liked to do.

    The danger would be defensive lapses, of course, so I’d try it at home first to control matchups.

  47. The Great One says:

    spoiler: SIGN SCRIVENS NOW.

    Scrivens would be crazy to sign while his value keeps rising.

  48. Survioil says:

    spoiler,

    Busy creating TM…T-shirts by 11 :)

  49. Derek says:

    Numenius:
    Yak’s beauty goal was with Hall and Gagner.

    I wonder how that line would work. That way they could keep Ebs and Nuge together as Krueger liked to do.

    The danger would be defensive lapses, of course, so I’d try it at home first to control matchups.

    Gagner would get slaughtered by the tough matchup.

  50. SoxandOil says:

    The Great One: Scrivens would be crazy to sign while his value keeps rising.

    Crazy thing though, this might be the moment his value is highest. Its highly unlikely he’ll be able to stand on his head the rest of the year with this porous defense in front of him.

  51. spoiler says:

    The Great One: Scrivens would be crazy to sign while his value keeps rising.

    Thank you Captain Obvious. How much do you think he can raise his value in the next 20 games?

  52. FTO says:

    Man that top line had a lot of takeaways near the end

  53. The Great One says:

    spoiler: Thank you Captain Obvious.

    You’re welcome.

  54. spoiler says:

    Derek: Gagner would get slaughtered by the tough matchup.

    How’s that different than a road game now?

  55. spoiler says:

    The Great One: You’re welcome.

    No prob. Any time you essentially repeat me, I will be thanking you.

  56. Pretendergast says:

    I get winning cures alot, and negativity should be the last things on our minds, but do any of us really want to be compared to toronto? Outshot every game, we cant expect winning this way to continue. I guess just enjoy it while it lasts!

  57. Woodguy says:

    Best game I’ve seen the Oilers play since 2007.

    That was some very good hockey at times.

    Having a goalie helps a lot.

    Also,

    So…Rags are one of the best in the EC eh?

  58. Lois Lowe says:

    The Great One,

    I don’t know how much more his value can rise, excepting a Hasek-like run where he propels the Oilers to a 20-2 run after the break. He’s shown that he’s worthy of a contract and can, at the very least, be a 1A.

  59. LMHF#1 says:

    Andrew Ference extends his streak of being on the ice for every GA since he’s returned for injury. I wonder what the record is for that stat.

  60. flyfish1168 says:

    the Habs are opening a can of whoop ass on the poor knuckelheads.

    Price for starting goalie

  61. Woodguy says:

    The Great One: Scrivens would be crazy to sign while his value keeps rising.

    I think if you put a $8.5MM over 4 year deal in front of him he might sign it.

    26 year old married guy who has done ok in real world standards, but has barely been paid by NHL standards..

    That might be a value contract to rival Hall’s in 2 years.

    With the cap over $70MM you can expect league average goalies to make $6MM/yr as a rule, not an exception in 2 years or so.

    Having Scrivens in his prime at just over $2MM while Hall is at $6MM leaves about $3+MM “freebie value contract” dollars on the cap.

  62. Woodguy says:

    Woodguy,

    Lois Lowe:
    The Great One,

    I don’t know how much more his value can rise, excepting a Hasek-like run where he propels the Oilers to a 20-2 run after the break. He’s shown that he’s worthy of a contract and can, at the very least, be a 1A.

    Sign him now for as long as he’ll sign.

    He might sign 4 years away right now for just over $2MM.

  63. book¡je says:

    Woodguy:
    Woodguy,

    Sign him now for as long as he’ll sign.

    He might sign 4 years away right now for just over $2MM.

    Take the risk even if it’s an overpay.

  64. book¡je says:

    LMHF#1:
    Andrew Ference extends his streak of being on the ice for every GA since he’s returned for injury. I wonder what the record is for that stat.

    Belanger.

  65. fifthcartel says:

    I think Scrivens could be a 1A goalie. I’m not sure he could be a starter but they should play him every game that’s not a back to back to find out.

    More Gagner news -

    The Mayor John Hoven ‏@mayorNHL 24m
    Latest on #LAKings #Oilets trade talks – Been told that rather than the draft pick, EDM holding out for an ‘almost ready to play’ prospect.

    The Mayor John Hoven ‏@mayorNHL 18m
    FWIW – I can’t see #LAKings dealing Pearson or Forbort for #Oilers Gagner. There have been trade talks on Vey, but still – not for Gagner.

  66. The Great One says:

    Woodguy: I think if you put a $8.5MM over 4 year deal in front of him he might sign it.

    26 year old married guy who has done ok in real world standards, but has barely been paid by NHL standards..

    That might be a value contract to rival Hall’s in 2 years.

    With the cap over $70MM you can expect league average goalies to make $6MM/yr as a rule, not an exception in 2 years or so.

    Having Scrivens in his prime at just over $2MM while Hall is at $6MM leaves about $3+MM “freebie value contract” dollars on the cap.

    As you allude to, there will be a lot more money in the system in the offseason.

    With more than a few teams looking for goaltending, if Scrivens agent allowed him to sign for @2M. he should be fired.

    Some team like Florida, Calgary or Philly would pay him well north of that if he keeps up his level of play.

  67. Thiru says:

    book¡je: Take the risk even if it’s an overpay.

    Yeah, if Dubnyk’s taught us anything it’s that contracts in the 3-4 million range can be moved. I’d be happy giving Scrivens 3 million a year, but I doubt he goes longer than 3 years.

  68. Lowetide says:

    MacTavish will sign Scrivens, but I think the number is going to be dear. 2 years times something in the 3′s. In June.

  69. Lois Lowe says:

    Woodguy,

    I think it will end up being something in neighbourhood of 4 x 2.5M-3M which I am wholly comfortable with.

  70. Woodguy says:

    book¡je: Take the risk even if it’s an overpay.

    That won’t be an overpay.

    Almost risk free gambling.

    Sign me up.

  71. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    MacTavish will sign Scrivens, but I think the number is going to be dear. 2 years times something in the 3′s. In June.

    MacT has to go for term, even if its over 3MM.

    I don’t think it has to be.

    There’s something to be said for offering the safety of term to a player who hasn’t been paid yet.

    Look at what Hall signed for.

  72. fifthcartel says:

    So apparently they want an almost-NHL ready prospect but it’s not going to be Toffoli, Shore, Forbort, Vey, Zykov, Pearson. So basically, none of LA’s quality prospects?

  73. Woodguy says:

    The Great One,

    With more than a few teams looking for goaltending, if Scrivens agent allowed him to sign for @2M. he should be fired.
    Some team like Florida, Calgary or Philly would pay him well north of that if he keeps up his level of play.

    No.

    There are more goaltenders than jobs this summer.

    That isn’t even including Scrivens among the “starters” who are available.

    Scrivens has less than 60 NHL games at this point.

    He’s never made $800K/year.

    He’s married.

    He’s 26.

    Throw $8.5MM in front on his and he might sign for 4 years.

  74. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: MacT has to go for term, even if its over 3MM.

    I don’t think it has to be.

    There’s something to be said for offering the safety of term to a player who hasn’t been paid yet.

    Look at what Hall signed for.

    I think they’ll look for a Halak-type for the big money/term.

  75. book¡je says:

    Woodguy: That won’t be an overpay.

    Almost risk free gambling.

    Sign me up.

    Exactly, the risk is if his wheels come off in which case you buy him out. I would be ok with $3.0 if that locked him in for a while.

  76. book¡je says:

    I wonder what they could trade Scrivens for?

    Just wondering.

  77. The Great One says:

    Woodguy:
    The Great One,

    With more than a few teams looking for goaltending, if Scrivens agent allowed him to sign for @2M. he should be fired.
    Some team like Florida, Calgary or Philly would pay him well north of that if he keeps up his level of play.

    No.

    There are more goaltenders than jobs this summer.

    That isn’t even including Scrivens among the “starters” who are available.

    Scrivens has less than 60 NHL games at this point.

    He’s never made $800K/year.

    He’s married.

    He’s 26.

    Throw $8.5MM in front on his and he might sign for 4 years.

    What do you think he would do if Tallon, who needs a goaltender, has $37M in free cap space and a new owner who has given him the green light to spend to the cap, offered Scrivens $4M X 3?

  78. Moose says:

    So every possible name I see bandied about for Gagner gets a “the Kings won’t do that for Gagner” response? Tell Lombardi to get lost then.

    Sellers market, he’s not a UFA, and Lombardi would have to pay more for one of the high profile rentals (Moulson, Vanek). He’s in on Gagner because he knows the Oilers are selling low. MacT holds all the cards here, so you make Lombardi pay up or you wait until the summer. There is NO rush in a lost season for us.

  79. 719 says:

    Moose:
    So every possible name I see bandied about for Gagner gets a “the Kings won’t do that for Gagner” response? Tell Lombardi to get lost then.

    Sellers market, he’s not a UFA, and Lombardi would have to pay more for one of the high profile rentals (Moulson, Vanek). He’s in on Gagner because he knows the Oilers are selling low. MacT holds all the cards here, so you make Lombardi pay up or you wait until the summer. There is NO rush in a lost season for us.

    This x 100!

  80. The Great One says:

    Moose:
    So every possible name I see bandied about for Gagner gets a “the Kings won’t do that for Gagner” response? Tell Lombardi to get lost then.

    Sellers market, he’s not a UFA, and Lombardi would have to pay more for one of the high profile rentals (Moulson, Vanek). He’s in on Gagner because he knows the Oilers are selling low. MacT holds all the cards here, so you make Lombardi pay up or you wait until the summer. There is NO rush in a lost season for us.

    Problem is, the clock is ticking on Gagner’s NTC.

    If MacT can’t move him before it kicks in, he’s hooped.

    And there will be a lot more options available to teams in the offseason.

    It’s a sellers’ market now…it won’t be in June and July.

  81. Moose says:

    The Great One,

    As for Gagner’s NTC, it’s been made clear that MacT has already been consulting with Gagner on this as he gave him a verbal promise not to deal him this year. So I doubt the circumstances would be much different with a real NTC in the summer. Plus, NTC’s often don’t kick in until July 1st. You could do the deal at the draft.

    Sure, the market can change but Lombardi wants to win a Cup now, not this Summer and his team can’t score to save their lives right now, otherwise they wouldn’t be calling…AND…he wants us to eat salary. The price goes up if that’s the case.

    MacT can’t make a deal just to make a deal. There’s too many holes to fill to give away assets for less than fair value. He has something other teams want, you get your price or you walk.

  82. oilersfan says:

    So dsf you dont think gagner would waive his ntc to go to the kings?

    I think you are wrong

  83. The Great One says:

    Moose:
    The Great One,

    As for Gagner’s NTC, it’s been made clear that MacT has already been consulting with Gagneron this as he gave him a verbal promise not to deal him this year. So I doubt the circumstances would be much different with a real NTC in the summer. Plus, NTC’s often don’t kick in until July 1st. You could do the deal at the draft.

    Sure, the market can change but Lombardi wants to win a Cup now, not this Summer and his team can’t score to save their lives right now, otherwise they wouldn’t be calling…AND…he wants us to eat salary. The price goes up if that’s the case.

    MacT can’t make a deal just to make a deal. There’s too many holes to fill to give away assets for less than fair value. He has something other teams want, you get your price or you walk.

    I agree for the most part but if you walk if you don’t get your price, you may never get your price.

    I wouldn’t think Gagner would be all that attractive to anyone in the offseason.

    Lombardi has the leverage here since he has other options like Matt Moulson and Brad Boyes.

    And I would be very surprised if there are many other teams pursuing Gagner.

  84. The Great One says:

    oilersfan:
    So dsf you dont think gagner would waive his ntc to go to the kings?

    I think you are wrong

    I have no idea.

    And neither do you.

    But I wouldn’t think Lombardi would find much need for Gagner in the offseason when he has a ton of other options.

  85. FastOil says:

    There is no real NTC. It only means the player must be consulted.The classier the guy the less problem.

    Anyone else notice the only team with completely open speculation and “insider” tweeting is the Oilers? Why?

  86. Clay says:

    So, has anyone else noticed else noticed that Louis DeBrusk uses the phrase “staying in the battle” twice in every. single. sentence? If it were a drinking game, we’d all be bombed by the opening face-off.

    It’s like he heard Eakins say it in that press conference, and it was an epiphany for DeBrusk. “Staying in the Battle! That’s the awesomester thing I ever hearded!”

    Please Gord, let Ferraro come back to Sportsnet. He’s got nothing to do at TSN next year!

  87. sliderule says:

    The Great One,

    Good to see you back.

    Especially after a win.

  88. Moose says:

    The Great One,

    Agree, it’s a game of chicken, like most negotiations are. Yeah, there’s the danger he could walk away, but the price is gonna be steeper for Moulson/Vanek and it’s obvious Lombardi doesn’t want to give up much/if anything from his roster.

    I disagree that other teams won’t want Gagner in the Summer. That’s often when we see organizational shifts in long term plans (rebuild, go for it, etc), based on playoff results, and obviously there’s more teams with money to spend and a poor UFA class this year.

    Regardless of our opinions in the abstract, Gagner for Clifford and a pick (if true) is a crap deal. Pump Gagner’s tires for the last 20 games, he’s at least starting to get his offense back since the injury, and take your chances at the draft. He’s a flawed player, we know that, but he’s worth more than what’s on the table, IMO, and I don’t consider myself someone who over values our players.

  89. The Great One says:

    Moose:
    The Great One,

    Agree, it’s a game of chicken, like most negotiations are. Yeah, there’s the danger he could walk away, but the price is gonna be steeper for Moulson/Vanek and it’s obvious Lombardi doesn’t want to give up much/if anything from his roster.

    I disagree that other teams won’t want Gagner in the Summer. That’s often when we see organizational shifts in long term plans (rebuild, go for it, etc), based on playoff results, and obviously there’s more teams with money to spend and a poor UFA class this year.

    Regardless of our opinions in the abstract, Gagner for Clifford and a pick (if true) is a crap deal. Pump Gagner’s tires for the last 20 games, he’s at least starting to get his offense back since the injury, and take your chances at the draft. He’s a flawed player, we know that, but he’s worth more than what’s on the table, IMO, and I don’t consider myself someone who over values our players.

    In his last 10 games, Gagner has 0 goals and 5 assists.

    I’m not sure that is “pumping” his value.

    While I agree Clifford and a pick likely aren’t enough of a return, Lombardi can find other options like Brad Boyes who don’t carry Gagner’s ridiculous contract for another 2 years.

    Lombardi has the leverage here…it’ll be quite a tell as to what MacT does.

    I think he knows he has to escape a mistake.

    We’ll soon see who blinks first.

  90. nycoil says:

    Well, Yak City’s Kalashnikov made it all worthwhile. Cheered like crazy as it happened right in front of me (I picked the end where the Oilers attacked twice), and then got the hell out of dodge before the angry Ranger fans got angrier.

    Before the season started, I said I was hoping to see RNH-Hall-Yakupov more this year as I think their different skill sets complement each other well. Then add a Couturier type for Perron and Eberle and we have gold. Think LT agreed. Finally, we got to see that in action.

    Gagner, unfortunately, looks lost out there. Best he can be is a “non factor” at the moment. The injury and lack of confidence at the moment shows. He just chips the puck out and glides. Hopefully we keep him, and he recovers his mojo in the offseason.

    Fraser doesn’t even look like an AHL player.

    Marincin has a lot of mistakes in his game but he is a godsend. More 85 with 2 please.

    Scrivens may be the real deal.

    Very happy for Yak and the boys tonight. Hopefully they go out and paint Broadway copper and blue.

  91. Woodguy says:

    Yak checking Nash, then putting him on his ass from a standstill and clearing the dzone was my favorite play of that game. #YakCity

  92. sliderule says:

    In a battle between two of the top three draft picks.

    Bennett with three assists and plus 4

    Ekblad no points and – 6 in a big loss

  93. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: I think they’ll look for a Halak-type for the big money/term.

    I know.

    Might be ok.

    Might not.

  94. FTO says:

    fifthcartel:
    So apparently they want an almost-NHL ready prospect but it’s not going to be Toffoli, Shore, Forbort, Vey, Zykov, Pearson. So basically, none of LA’s quality prospects?

    Ya I don’t get that, basically he’s only worth like their # 15-20 prospect? Doesn’t seem right to me, just how connected is that guy? Seems like he only wants a ‘free’ Gagner…

  95. Woodguy says:

    The Great One: What do you think he would do if Tallon, who needs a goaltender, has $37M in free cap space and a new owner who has given him the green light to spend to the cap, offered Scrivens $4M X 3?

    I dunno, give Jovocop another $16.5MM over 4 years?

  96. sliderule says:

    The Great One,

    It’s easy.

    Just don’t make the trade.

  97. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: I know.

    Might be ok.

    Might not.

    I think we’ll see MacT button down G and D this summer. Roloson, Smith, Staios, probably Peca.

  98. nycoil says:

    stevezie:
    Big win for nycoil’s lucky hat.

    I wore this jersey and hat when I flew back to Edmonton from Tokyo for game 3 of the ’06 finals. Bought 4 tickets paying through the nose to take my friends and missed only one day of work as I flew straight back after going out on Whyte Ave. Smytty scored a dirty greaser goal then, too, and Edmonton won 2-1 late. Definitely seems to have some luck!

  99. Moose says:

    Here’s a couple more tweets from from that guys timeline…seems like the list keeps getting laughably shorter…

    The Mayor John Hoven @mayorNHL
    @KropiniskiBoys2 @SirJDL ZERO chance it’s Toffoli.

    The Mayor John Hoven @mayorNHL
    One more name for you… There’s not a chance in hell #LAKings send Zykov to #Oilers for Gagner. They love the kid.

    How about Chris Kontos? Can we get Chris Kontos? Ffs…

  100. The Great One says:

    FTO: Ya I don’t get that, basically he’s only worth like their # 15-20 prospect? Doesn’t seem right to me, just how connected is that guy? Seems like he only wants a ‘free’ Gagner…

    Gagner has a cap hit of $4.8M for another 2 seasons.

    That ain’t free.

  101. Woodguy says:

    nycoil:
    Well, Yak City’s Kalashnikov made it all worthwhile. Cheered like crazy as it happened right in front of me (I picked the end where the Oilers attacked twice), and then got the hell out of dodge before the angry Ranger fans got angrier.

    Before the season started, I said I was hoping to see RNH-Hall-Yakupov more this year as I think their different skill sets complement each other well. Then add a Couturier type for Perron and Eberle and we have gold. Think LT agreed. Finally, we got to see that in action.

    Gagner, unfortunately, looks lost out there. Best he can be is a “non factor” at the moment. The injury and lack of confidence at the moment shows. He just chips the puck out and glides. Hopefully we keep him, and he recovers his mojo in the offseason.

    Fraser doesn’t even look like an AHL player.

    Marincin has a lot of mistakes in his game but he is a godsend. More 85 with 2 please.

    Scrivens may be the real deal.

    Very happy for Yak and the boys tonight. Hopefully they go out and paint Broadway copper and blue.

    Awesome.

    Thanks for the trip report.

    I hope you reminded every Rags fan around you that the Oiler are in last in the West.

    Eastern Conference eh?

  102. justDOit says:

    Lowetide: I think we’ll see MacT button down G and D this summer. Roloson, Smith, Staios, probably Peca.

    Sign me up for more Peca – waaaaay more Peca!

  103. The Great One says:

    Woodguy: I dunno, give Jovocop another $16.5MM over 4 years?

    At the time, Tallon had to spend like a drunken sailor to get to the cap floor.

    He’s now got a pretty much clean slate, a ton of cap space, a rich new owner and some very talented young players on ELCs to work with.

    Should be interesting to watch.

  104. RexLibris says:

    I’m one who believes that Gagner’s value might increase marginally at the draft if only because the number of potential buyers increases due to the season re-set and the implementation of a higher salary cap.

    From the end of the season to June 30th GMs will have plenty of time to discuss trade options.

    The cap increase alone is enough to absorb Gagner’s entire contract with room to spare, and another team may decide to acquire Gagner rather than pursue a forward option through free-agency.

    MacTavish may not get everything he is asking for, but if he has more offers on the table at least it provides options, and a good decision is more important for this team than an expedient one.

  105. Woodguy says:

    Oilers win 2-1 on the Road.

    Marincin is +2

    Marincin had 55% of the corgis while the team overall had 43.4% (Rags pulled away from a tie in the last 6 min)

    Martin Marincin

    The word is that MacT offered the 7th for Schnieder and Gillis countered with 7th + Marincin.

    MacT declined.

    Gillis then took the 9th from Lou because in Gillis’ world 9th pick is better than the 7th if you play that team for 1/20th of your yearly schedule.

  106. flyfish1168 says:

    Moose:
    The Great One,

    Agree, it’s a game of chicken, like most negotiations are. Yeah, there’s the danger he could walk away, but the price is gonna be steeper for Moulson/Vanek and it’s obvious Lombardi doesn’t want to give up much/if anything from his roster.

    I disagree that other teams won’t want Gagner in the Summer. That’s often when we see organizational shifts in long term plans (rebuild, go for it, etc), based on playoff results, and obviously there’s more teams with money to spend and a poor UFA class this year.

    Regardless of our opinions in the abstract, Gagner for Clifford and a pick (if true) is a crap deal. Pump Gagner’s tires for the last 20 games, he’s at least starting to get his offense back since the injury, and take your chances at the draft. He’s a flawed player, we know that, but he’s worth more than what’s on the table, IMO, and I don’t consider myself someone who over values our players.

    I agree. LAK makes Clifford look good definitely not the other way around. I may rag on Sam but he has shown that he is an NHL player playing on a bad team. Gagner will come around. This year his numbers is below career average and everyone knows why.

    I believe Gagner will be better the last part of the season . We can revisit the idea of trading him or keeping him then. No need to fold under public pressure and do the wrong thing

  107. RexLibris says:

    Lowetide: I think we’ll see MacT button down G and D this summer. Roloson, Smith, Staios, probably Peca.

    I’ve wondered about Roloson as a potential goalie-coach since his last season in Edmonton.

    Seems like if he was interested his resume would fit the pattern – career backup to some good athletes, one who made his way using his head rather than relying solely on size or skill, played a long time on position and practice.

    Curious as to your thoughts on this.

  108. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy,

    On the Schneider deal, my concern over MacTavish offering the 7th outweighs my disdain for Gillis’ refusal to accept it.

    Thank heavens he got a mulligan to acquire Scrivens for a 3rd instead. Defensemen as prospects and in the playoffs – you can never have too many.

  109. sliderule says:

    A month ago there were people on this board who would have given Marincin away for Clifford.

    Klefbom and Gernat may be as good or better.

    That why the oil have to bring them up after the break.

  110. Woodguy says:

    RexLibris:
    Woodguy,

    On the Schneider deal, my concern over MacTavish offering the 7th outweighs my disdain for Gillis’ refusal to accept it.

    Thank heavens he got a mulligan to acquire Scrivens for a 3rd instead. Defensemen as prospects and in the playoffs – you can never have too many.

    Scrivens isn’t signed yet.

    I like Nurse a lot.

  111. Ribs says:

    RexLibris: I’ve wondered about Roloson as a potential goalie-coach since his last season in Edmonton.

    Currently coaching Ducks tenders – http://ducks.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=44919

  112. gogliano says:

    RexLibris: I’ve wondered about Roloson as a potential goalie-coach since his last season in Edmonton.

    You can’t teach crazy.

  113. RexLibris says:

    Side note, just watched the video wrap on the Oilers site. Interview with Hall and noticed his beard looks heavier than Crosby’s does after three playoff rounds.

    Hall’s playoff beard…something else to look forward to should the Oilers go on a run next year.

  114. RexLibris says:

    Woodguy: Scrivens isn’t signed yet.

    I like Nurse a lot.

    True, but at least they have the chance to negotiate with him in-season.

    My guess is that something gets done during the Olympic break. Be nice if Arcobello followed suit.

  115. RexLibris says:

    Ribs: Currently coaching Ducks tenders – http://ducks.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=44919

    Well, I guess I was on to something then.

    ;)

  116. RexLibris says:

    gogliano: You can’t teach crazy.

    Maybe, but perhaps he could teach that terrific flip pass up the middle he used to do.

  117. The Great One says:

    Dustin Brown just destroyed Ryan Murray.

  118. FTO says:

    The Great One: Gagner has a cap hit of $4.8M for another 2 seasons.

    That ain’t free.

    Ya fair enough it’s a big cap hit, however we can retain some and with the cap going up year after year GMs might not care so much about 4.8 or what ever it ends up being if we do retain. Plus he’s still young enough that with his draft pedigree there might be a ton of teams interested in trying to ‘turn him around’ in their own programs.

    Just look how long O’Sullivan and Brule and players like them stayed in the league.

  119. spoiler says:

    I just don’t get why you would trade him to a powerhouse in your division. Why would you do that? Shouldn’t there be a premium? We already gave one LA team a friggin cup. We’s paid up.

    Seems like all the downside is on MacT’s side, if this is yet another 3 for 1. I have to think Dustin Brown’s name is involved if any deal is there. Could be Quick but I doubt it. Goalies are security blankets for GMs, when their keepers have been through the wars and come out the other side, they’re hard to let go of. Whatever the case, MacT can’t come out of this deal without looking like he has at least one solid asset.

    Gagners, despite their warts, don’t grow on trees. And really the issue here isn’t Gagner per se but balance and the kids. LA has a team that can protect him, let him do his stuff, I can see why they would like his scoring. Which asks the question…

    Why would we consider doing this in our division?? Why? I’m praying this is all a negotiating tactic to play their real target.

  120. The Great One says:

    FTO: Ya fair enough it’s a big cap hit, however we can retain some and with the cap going up year after year GMs might not care so much about 4.8 or what ever it ends up being if we do retain. Plus he’s still young enough that with his draft pedigree there might be a ton of teams interested in trying to ‘turn him around’ in their own programs.

    Just look how long O’Sullivan and Brule and players like them stayed in the league.

    Sam is quickly reaching his “best before date” just like the players you mentioned.

    At the draft. most teams are looking forward not back.

    I would be surprised if you could get a second round pick for Sam at the draft.

  121. B S says:

    Woodguy:
    Yak checking Nash, then putting him on his ass from a standstill and clearing the dzone was my favorite play of that game. #YakCity

    My favourite was Hall doing the same thing right before setting up the Yak goal, then doing it again to Nash when NY had them pinned in their own zone, before tossing the puck down the ice.

  122. FTO says:

    The Great One: Sam is quickly reaching his “best before date” just like the players you mentioned.

    At the draft. most teams are looking forward not back.

    I would be surprised if you could get a second round pick for Sam at the draft.

    Well by the sounds of it on TSN we might see here sooner than later, LA just needs offence so bad so who knows what they end up doing haha. Desperation in the face of their cup run they might gear up and not care too much about losing a prospect that’s close, I’m sure they want to win the cup more this year than keep every top shelf prospect they have in the stable.

  123. Bad Seed says:

    Here’s the DSF we all know & loathe.

    Tallon, Lombardi & Gillis can do no wrong & all the Oilers are worthless.

  124. stevezie says:

    The Great One,

    Speaking from a trade value perspective, I think the strongest thing on Gagner’s resume is 400 games by the age of 24. That speaks to pedigree.

    For every* Brule or POS (my least favourite Oiler of all time) there is a Mike Ribero or a Marc Savard- someone who took awhile to find his game but who went on to unleash the true potential that experts could see since the kid was 12.

    It takes an awful lot to hang around the league at all. Brule had to be an amazing hockey player to disappoint like he did. Gagner doesn’t seem to be getting better, but anyone who could be productive in the league as an 18 year-old has such an incredibly high baseline of talent that “if he ever figures it out” is too tantalizing to resist, especially for teams who need scoring.

    So I think you could get more than a second for him, and if not you’re better off keeping him, contract and all.

    *Obviously there are actually many many more burnouts than there are made-goods, but surely you won’t begrudge me some cherry-picked stories.

  125. The Great One says:

    The Islanders have begun a fire sale.

    They’ve sent Peter Regin and Pierre Marc Bouchard to Chicago for a 4th round pick.

  126. The Great One says:

    Bad Seed:
    Here’s the DSF we all know & loathe.

    Tallon, Lombardi & Gillis can do no wrong & all the Oilers are worthless.

    Well, two of the three have a Stanley Cup rings and the other guy is in a world of hurt at the moment.

    Loathe away.
    .

  127. The Great One says:

    stevezie:
    The Great One,

    Speaking from a trade value perspective, I think the strongest thing on Gagner’s resume is 400 games by the age of 24. That speaks to pedigree.

    For every* Brule or POS (my least favourite Oiler of all time) there is a Mike Ribero or a Marc Savard- someone who took awhile to find his game but who went on to unleash the true potential that experts could see since the kid was 12.

    It takes an awful lot to hang around the league at all. Brule had to be an amazing hockey player to disappoint like he did. Gagner doesn’t seem to be getting better, but anyone who could be productive in the league as an 18 year-old has such an incredibly high baseline of talent that “if he ever figures it out” is too tantalizing to resist, especially for teams who need scoring.

    So I think you could get more than a second for him, and if not you’re better off keeping him, contract and all.

    *Obviously there are actually many many more burnouts than there are made-goods, but surely you won’t begrudge me some cherry-picked stories.

    Thing is..most teams at this time of the year are looking for defensemen or scorers.

    Sam can do some nice things offensively but goal scoring is not an asset.

  128. VanOil says:

    The Great One:
    The Islanders have begun a fire sale.

    They’ve sent Peter Regin and Pierre Marc Bouchard to Chicago for a 4th round pick.

    When they shed Vanek (to some one other than the Oil) Gagner would look really good playing with his old buddy Tavares. I think Brock Nelson and a pick back is fair return and provides Gagner a great career. NYI will need to work hard to make the Cap floor, yet again.

  129. The Great One says:

    VanOil: When they shed Vanek (to some one other than the Oil) Gagner would look really good playing with his old buddy Tavares. I think Brock Nelson and a pick back is fair return and provides Gagner a great career. NYI will need to work hard to make the Cap floor, yet again.

    Another story tonight is that Andrew McDonald has turned down a 4 year $16M deal from the Islanders and is also on the trade block.

  130. spoiler says:

    stevezie: So I think you could get more than a second for him, and if not you’re better off keeping him, contract and all.

    I think you’re right, but I also think DSF is referring more to the point that Gagner would be worth less at the draft than now.

    I think we’ve found that out with Hemsky. Draft picks have the value at the draft, not players. Free agency is coming and most teams would rather see if they can solve their problems in the open market before trading assets. The one advantage this summer in MacT’s favour is that the cap is going up, which will give the market some liquidity, but it won’t help enough in face of the pending free problem solver. And really, teams can count on that liquidity occurring in their decision-making today.

  131. The Great One says:

    spoiler: I think you’re right, but I also think DSF is referring more to the point that Gagner would be worth less at the draft than now.

    I think we’ve found that out with Hemsky.Draft picks have the value at the draft, not players.Free agency is coming and most teams would rather see if they can solve their problems in the open market before trading assets.The one advantage this summer in MacT’s favour is that the cap is going up, which will give the market some liquidity, but it won’t help enough in face of the pending free problem solver.And really, teams can count on that liquidity occurring in their decision-making today.

    Exactly.

    Sam’s value is likely at its max in the next 2 weeks.

  132. spoiler says:

    The Great One: Sam’s value is likely at its max in the next 2 weeks.

    Well at it’s max for this year. Plenty of players have good years, bad years, good years offensively, for whatever reason. Plus whoever his right wing is, 14 or 46, and the D behind him will slowly improve with experience. It’s hard to imagine him having a poorer year than this offensively, and having gone through something similar as his injury, I know it can be a real confidence shaker. And MacT knows all the other GMs are thinking those same things. There’s been no huge trade Gagner outcry in the media or Facebook… MacT’s really in the driver seat. All depends how badly the other GMs want Gagner’s scoring. I don’t think a deal will get done unless it is enough.

  133. The Great One says:

    spoiler: Well at it’s max for this year.Plenty of players have good years, bad years, good years offensively, for whatever reason.Plus whoever his right wing is, 14 or 46, and the D behind him will slowly improve with experience. It’s hard to imagine him having a poorer year than this offensively, and having gone through something similar as his injury, I know it can be a real confidence shaker.And MacT knows all the other GMs are thinking the same thing. There’s been no huge trade Gagner outcry in the media or Facebook… MacT’s really in the driver seat. All depends how badly the other GMs want Gagner’s scoring.I don’t think a deal will get done unless it is enough.

    That’s fair.

    But MacT is likely stuck with Sam for another 2 years if he doesn’t do something now.

  134. VanOil says:

    The Great One: Another story tonight is that Andrew McDonald has turned down a 4 year $16M deal from the Islanders and is also on the trade block.

    I think 4 year $16M is a fair deal for McDonald. Given he has been so underpaid on his current contract he will likely hold out for way more. With his current box cars he will probably get it, my bet is he will be a classic UFA overpay this summer and it might just be the Oilers.

  135. spoiler says:

    14 or 46., nice dyxlesia dude.

    Yak’s interview with Gene tonight sounded like Crash Davis had spent some time sitting next to him on the team bus.

    …A lot of people really liked the game tonight. I did too, but I think they’ve played better this year. They had some bad spot, yet were in this game and battled and got some good goaltending, but I think we’ve seen better wins.

    That Ranger team sure is pretty solid up and down the lines, mostly vets along with a very good defense corps. The Oil did well to find a way to win tonight. Smart road victory… Keep it close and then when opportunity is Yaketying on the door… seize it.

  136. dangilitis says:

    DSF classics:

    “In his last 10 games, Gagner has 0 goals and 5 assists.

    As you allude to, there will be a lot more money in the system in the offseason.

    Gagner has a cap hit of $4.8M for another 2 seasons. That ain’t free.

    Problem is, the clock is ticking on Gagner’s NTC. If MacT can’t move him before it kicks in, he’s hooped.”

    DSF,

    I always enjoy recounting your favorite, and often contradictory, quotes. Here is a short recap.

    So, Scrivens will be lured away by Florida for more money, but a 50 pt top 6 forward at 4.8 million and mid-20s is past his “best before date” and “ain’t free” to a team acquiring him for scraps? C’mon, make uo your mind. The increasing cap can’t be used to support either of your bogus claims, much less simultaneously.

    If Scrivens wants to stay in Edmonton, he will sign here, plain and simple. Don’t get into trivial dollars. Oilers would match market value for him as a UFA, but as Oilers fans we hope it doesn’t get there.

    And Gagner at 4.8 million is not a great contract this year, but if he regains his form (which, in his mid 20s after a broken jaw recovery, is likely), even with defensive flaws, is nowhere near being a bad contract. Dustin Brown makes 5.8 million, and Stoll makes 3.25 million, so between the 2 this season they have 34 points in 113 games at 9.05 million, vs Gagner’s 24 pts in 46 games (59 pt pace for 113 games) at 4.8 mil, after recovering from a broken jaw and playing at an all-time low which most people suspect he can recover from. So spare me your appraisal of Gagner’s worth, because MacT could do 2 minutes worth of research to tell LAK to shove it if they present your baseless claim.

    Lowetide warned us you’d be back.

    I am glad you were getting treatment, but I really feel you should stay on your pills.

    His blog was way more interesting and enjoyable with you off it. Please do us all a favour and not besmirch Gretzky’s nickname and get off the site for good.

  137. dangilitis says:

    It feels weird to look at TSN stats and see an Oiler at top of any stats category, especially in an area where 2 of our goaltenders 3 months ago were sitting in the bottom 3 spots…

  138. VanOil says:

    dangilitis:
    blog was way more interesting and enjoyable with you off it. Please do us all a favour and not besmirch Gretzky’s nickname and get off the site for good.

    Disagree. Playing with well with other children sometimes means accepting there eccentricities. Being Oilers fans we need this skill. Except with Dustin Brown, I really struggle to cheer for that guy.

  139. spoiler says:

    The Great One: But MacT is likely stuck with Sam for another 2 years if he doesn’t do something now.

    Maybe, maybe not.

    As you know, NTCs don’t stop trades, but rather limit the destinations. If he has a hot year shooting next year and you still want to trade him I don’t think it would be too difficult to find dance partners.

    But if he’s the song that remains the same, you are probably right.

  140. bassguy says:

    Hi..I enjoyed tonights game as well!?..there were the typical clearing mistakes where guys just backhanded it thinking it might get out etc??!! but, I agree with woodguy it might be one of the best games seen in a while because of the tight game and we did not seem to lay back per usual?.. i really loved seeing Yak in the Jacket though..I am a veteran(although have never seen action) and can not claim any kind of grief these men and women have gone through overseas..in fact its embarrassing to say that I have only been in the forces for a — years so ,really ,I feel I have no right to comment like most of the guys that have fought for our flag..but, I did sign on the dotted line to do this for my country..etc…anyhoo, I remember when I got to put the uniform on for the very first time and was given the little stick on Canada flag to my left arm..wow, I was so proud I cant even explain it!..to see Yak with the jacket reminded me that Eakins has the right idea here..make them proud to wear these colours and know they have to earn it..I like the idea of the jacket because its a Canadian Forces jacket..I know I sound like Don Cherry and I am sorry about that but its unique and something we can all rally around?..

  141. Lois Lowe says:

    dangilitis:

    His blog was way more interesting and enjoyable with you off it. Please do us all a favour and not besmirch Gretzky’s nickname and get off the site for good.

    I disagree. Further, I think your comment is a little offside.

  142. Hammers says:

    Actually even LT had Martin being traded a few months ago with both Nurse & Klefbom rated above Marincin . There where many others . My feeling then was Martin was the only 1 of the 3 that had at least played in the AHL and had that experience . The other 2 hadn’t proved anything yet . Now having said that I also feel both Klefbom & Nurse have a great chance to make it . Our problem is still the same we need an experienced “D” that will be here 4-5 years and one rated higher than Ference .. Get that player and with the upcoming “D” our back end should be OK . The big question is what do you get for Gags ? Not a top “D” and is there a replacement on the horizon for a #2 C ? Yes as there are 3 centers in the upcoming draft who could fit that need . Is Gags going ? Only McT knows for sure .

  143. Lowetide says:

    Lois Lowe: I disagree. Further, I think your comment is a little offside.

    The Great One, DSF, whatever the name, is welcome here. Let’s face it. The guy makes good points, and even though TGO can be like a dog with a bone, so can we all.

  144. spoiler says:

    Lowetide: The Great One, DSF, whatever the name, is welcome here. Let’s face it. The guy makes good points, and even though TGO can be like a dog with a bone, so can we all.

    I think we’re seeing a new and improved version this time. More mellow, less inflammatory… I hope. I

    He’s not The Great One., but he’s A Better One?

    Or, combine them…

    The Butter One?

  145. Lowetide says:

    Hammers:
    Actually even LT had Martin being traded a few months ago with both Nurse & Klefbom rated above Marincin . There where many others . My feeling then was Martin was the only 1 of the 3 that had at least played in the AHL and had that experience . The other 2 hadn’t proved anything yet . Now having said that I also feel both Klefbom & Nurse have a great chance to make it . Our problem is still the same we need an experienced “D” that will be here 4-5 years and one rated higher than Ference .. Get that player and with the upcoming “D” our back end should be OK . The big question is what do you get for Gags ? Not a top “D”and is there a replacement on the horizon for a #2 C ? Yes as there are 3 centers in the upcoming draft who could fit that need . Is Gags going ? Only McT knows for sure .

    One of the things we have to agree on is that at some level we just don’t know enough about these kids as prospects. I’d be very careful about assuming that

    1. Marincin is the best defensive prospect
    2. Marincin will stay at this level without falling back

    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2013/11/4-prospect-d-martin-marincin.html

    ETA MARINCIN

    In ranking Martin Marincin fourth overall, it is important to stress the gap between the top 2 defenders and Marincin. There is no sure thing when it comes to defensemen, but Nurse and Klefbom are as close as the Oilers have had in years. Marincin is a different level of prospect, a player whose skills have made themselves known but we still (in his second pro season) don’t have surrounded at this time. His size, speed, passing ability and health make him an attractive prospect, and his offensive ability should make him a bona fide top 4D player if he can master the defensive aspects of the game.

    The watch word for many of these defensive prospects we’ll be discussing over the coming weeks will be consistency, and his progress in this area will dictate how quickly he’s elevated to the NHL. Bottom line: A 6.05 defenseman with footspeed, defensive consistency and the ability to pass or carry intelligently has exceptional value, especially in the modern era. Martin Marincin remains an extremely intriguing prospect

  146. Ducey says:

    The Great One: Problem is, the clock is ticking on Gagner’s NTC.

    If MacT can’t move him before it kicks in, he’s hooped.

    And there will be a lot more options available to teams in the offseason.

    It’s a sellers’ market now…it won’t be in June and July.

    Maybe you can make a list of all the Oilers that have exercised their no trade clauses to stay in EDM.
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    Yeah, I don’t think it will be an issue.

  147. spoiler says:

    This whole capstrung teams can’t trade players business has to end

    I think it’s time the NHL does something about the NHLPA’s efforts to restrict player movement.

    I think they should make a proposal to the PA that amends the existing CBA. Something along the lines of all cap increases shall be split 50/50 between a team’s regular cap and a new in-season trade buffer that grows at that rate until it is 10% of the regular cap. No salary can carry over in the buffer from season to season.

    This would obviously increase the number of in-season pre-deadline trades.

    The PA of course would resist this. Players don’t like to move. But the NHL needs to point to their members that have wanted to move but could not. That request trades but can’t be moved for value. Or that couldn’t go for a run at the Cup because of cap issues. The NHL needs to point out the buffer helps those with NTCs control their destination better by making choice destinations more available. That more trades means more interest and excitement in the game, which means more money in everyone’s pockets. And that it would solve a common GM and fan complaint.

    There are many other sales points they could hit, but one or more of them has to get the PA to negotiate on the issue. Find common ground between 5 and 10%. The percentage ceiling should help the NHL to argue they don’t want the trade situation to go nuts, just a little more liquid than the status quo,.

  148. spoiler says:

    The PA could also demand that no following season can have a regular cap limit less than the prior season’s cap + buffer limit, guaranteeing nice increases for the duration of the CBA.

  149. hockeyguy10 says:

    Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC 3h
    This is really something from @RobRossi_Trib. Good luck to Kris Letang — trib.me/1iw0GpA

  150. bassguy says:

    hey..Lt..very important music stop?!
    please, please listen to Joni’s version of “both sides now” with the london symphony…you can get that on you tube…if you are not crying by the end of it you are not human…,bassguy

  151. judgedrude says:

    hockeyguy10:
    Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC3h
    This is really something from @RobRossi_Trib. Good luck to Kris Letang — trib.me/1iw0GpA

    From the Article:

    AHL OLYMPIC RULES

    NHL players are not permitted to partake in any team activities during the break, and there are restrictions for AHL placement during the Olympics.

    The AHL will continue to stage games during the Olympics.

    Players exempt from waivers cannot be assigned to the AHL if they have appeared in 16 of the last 20 games prior to the Olympic break. Also, a players on an NHL roster for 75 percent of the season from Oct. 1-Jan. 24 cannot be assigned to the AHL.

    Is this maybe one reason why Arco was sent to OKC?

  152. stevezie says:

    spoiler: I think you’re right, but I also think DSF is referring more to the point that Gagner would be worth less at the draft than now.

    Hey fair enough, but my heart won’t break if we don’t trade Gagner.

    The fantasy trade that popped into my head is Gagner and the first for Simmons and Couturier. Maybe we have to retain salary. I haven’t really thought about it so feel free to stone me, but it completely solves our forward situation. Too bad about Ekblad, but I like the D pipeline.

    Wouldn’t even have to do that deal until June- the draft pick is at max value and hopefully Ed is at max frustration over his stupid team’s recent failure.

  153. book¡je says:

    Lowetide: One of the things we have to agree on is that at some level we just don’t know enough about these kids as prospects. I’d be very careful about assuming that

    1. Marincin is the best defensive prospect
    2. Marincin will stay at this level without falling back

    Great, now LT hates Marincin.

  154. book¡je says:

    Lowetide: The Great One, DSF, whatever the name, is welcome here. Let’s face it. The guy makes good points, and even though TGO can be like a dog with a bone, so can we all.

    It’s your call. I think D.S.F. is a very bright guy and that sometimes he plays a strong devil’s advocate in challenging optimistic/biased Oiler fans. However, he also frequently posts arguments that he knows are incorrect, incomplete, or misleading simply to draw people into arguing with him and there have been points in the past where the comment section becomes fully dominated by these false arguments and frustrated/angry responses for weeks at a time. That gets tedious and takes away the joy of reading through the comments.

    So, I for one would challenge D.S.F. to keep to making real arguments and to contribute in a meaningful way to the discussion as I know he can. Get whatever thrills he gets from trolling elsewhere (the Edmonton Journal comments page is great for this). He is a bright guy who knows a lot about hockey.

    Maybe it’s up to the rest of us who mostly can tell when he is being a troll to call him out on in as opposed to engaging in arguments with him.

  155. nelson88 says:

    Let DSF stay.

    It has been a tough year for us Oiler fans but not nearly as tough as the next few years are going to be for a Nucks fan and lead supporter of the “Gillis is genius” fan club.

  156. nelson88 says:

    Klefbom is becoming LT’s Poo v2.0. As an Oiler fan I can only hope he is rewarded in his unwavering support. :)

  157. Pouzar says:

    Good Corgis for the first line last night….how did they look?

  158. stevezie says:

    Did anyone else notice this:

    The Great One: …suggesting Paajarvi will emerge as “the premier shutdown left winger in the league” is more than a little goofy.

    In the 35 games he’s played with the Blues, he is the only player on the team with a minus rating at -4 on a team that leads the lead in goal differential at +59.

    (Jaskin has only played 6 games and is -1)

    And that’s against very weak competition. (12th among forwards in QC).

    As for Perron, I think it’s highly unlikely the Oilers would let him walk away as a free agent and would instead trade him before it reached that point.

    He is admonishing other mega-critics to keep it reasonable.

  159. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    On the Scrivens thing.

    He’s riding an extremely unsustainable streak here. There is no way that — if given the balance of the year to play as the 1 — he doesn’t regress at least somewhat.

    Now, the upside for Scrivens will be growing a sample size and playing night in night out. But he’s also going to get lit up a few times and see his SV% drop somewhat and those things are going to muddy the waters.

    That and… young tenders don’t go from league minimum like salaries to league max. The NHL awards long term reps.

  160. Pouzar says:

    Hot damn that Marincin and that Corgi number.

  161. auzy11 says:

    Who on earth breaks these rumors on the Gagner trade,then he plays last night and so does Clifford,i think sure the Oilers are talking to the Kings,but is it say Hemsky,someone else. Who knows,i am sure they are hot on the tail of Macdonald,on The Isle as the rest of the 29 teams are. The rumors just drive me nuts,i like something substantial,and then to think,Mackenzie gets involved,this is just horrible,for the player the fans and the league,and for the idiot who broke this.

  162. auzy11 says:

    There is no doubt the Oilers have to make a trade but they have to get return or its just not worth it,there are about 4 players that will bring any sort of return,you guess who they are,but these silly rumors,by a so called media that says they know what they are doing is irresponsible in every sense of the word,i am just sick that these guys get paid to do this,i think i could do a better job,i certainly would not report something thats not there….

  163. RexLibris says:

    dangilitis,

    I understand that you disagree with DSF and his comments sometimes. I certainly have.

    But there is a level of respect owed to all contributors here.

  164. dangilitis says:

    RexLibris,

    How can I respect someone who contradicts himself in order to simultaneously argue with others, purely for the sake of doing so?

    I am sorry, I am not the bully here. He can stay if he wants, but I am asking him not to stay, because he only serves to rile up an already riled up crew.

    I have asked him many times to show a modicum of decency by not attacking others’ arguments without credible points in order to attract attention. It detracts from the great conversation that I like to read day in and day out on this site.

    We know the Oilers suck. We know management has been terrible for many years and continues to be well below average at this stage. We know Gagner can’t win faceoffs. What I don’t need to hear is extreme views held by someone who goes overboard in his evaluation of faults, and pessimism reaches irrational bounds on a regular basis. It is ironic that he can make a statement equivalent to “Gagner is less than worthless” without any comments, but I tell him to piss off and people are losing their shit.

    Gagner is a human being, a damn fine hockey player. He is better than 99.9% of the registered hockey players in this world, no doubt, and even with all his warts, still well above average forward for the NHL given that most expect him to slot into the top 6 of a team. More importantly, he actually cares about this city and wanted to see this through for 3 years, whether we eventually trade him away or not. After 5 years without even a sniff of the playoffs. That’s commitment.

    So is it not a double standard for people to attack my credibility, because I am attacking a person, who is baselessly attacking another person’s worth without a valid argument? I would wager that most sensible people would think Gagner is worth more than a bottom 6 forward, and he is saying we should have to give up another asset and take part of his salary back just to be able to rid ourselves of Gagner. If that is not a baseless devaluation of a human being’s worth, then I don’t know what is. If he can do this, why can I not suggest he rid himself of his site?

    And to mock The Great One is blasphemy. He changed his name for the reaction, and deserves to hear the truth.

    I am sorry everyone on this site seems to value schizophrenic thoughts from a person who only comes on here to stir the pot, and in a careless fashion with intent to annoy others. If you value his contribution because it adds “diversity,” that is ridiculous. The good points are few and far between, and to find them, you have to sort through 50 foolish ones and 300 responses to them from people who rightfully disagree with them. The repeated misuse of statistics to mislead others is also baffling.

    And Rex, after what you wrote a few days ago about showing respect to others, that is a bit of a laugher coming from you. But I will take it under consideration.

    Do you not respect my right to say these things? Because if you don’t, then you are allowing DSF to say the shit he does without pushback. I will continue to give him pushback and if you don’t like it, then decide if you would like to continue being hypocrites, or let me speak freely without being made to feel like an asshole for defending rational thought.

    Last, you have to respect differing personalities if you value DSF. Sorry, but if he continues to act like Hartley, I will continue to act like Tortorella. So kick me off or let me speak my mind, even if it ain’t pretty enough for you.

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