OILERS AT RANGERS G59, 13-14

Craig MacTavish is busy these days trying to add useful pieces to the puzzle. Edmonton’s major league roster has holes and the minor league system does too. It’s also clear the GM has made his decision on many of the players inherited on the roster. And he’s culling the herd.

  • Cam Abney: Heh.
  • Eric Belanger: He signed his retirement contract with Edmonton.
  • Phil Cornet: Classic tweener.
  • Yann Danis: Minor league veteran.
  • Teemu Hartikainen: The original scouting report suggested his third gear didn’t exist, and we are here.
  • Darcy Hordichuk: Tough job.
  • Tanner House: Doesn’t have NHL ability.
  • Nikolai Khabibulin: He got another contract. Incredible.
  • Ryan Martindale: Original scouting report talked about losing battles and lacking speed.
  • Alex Plante: Best of luck. Concussions are tough..
  • Linus Omark: The Oilers have small forwards by the 8-piece setting, so losing Omark is a footnote. Still, he has skill.
  • Lennart Petrell: Yeah.
  • Olivier Roy: A goalie prospect of some quality.
  • Toni Rajala: Bizarre exit, he has talent.
  • Jarred Smithson: Tambo’s folly.
  • Garrett Stafford: Don’t remember.
  • Colten Teubert: Remember.
  • Chris VandeVelde: Caught on with Philly in fringe role.
  • Ryan Whitney: Has played in 6 NHL games this season.

There are players leaving that I believe have value:

  • Devan Dubnyk: The big man had a horrible year, and will have to recover his career (possibly in the AHL). I think he has value, and the Oilers sold low on him. I did think they paid him too much.
  • Mark Fistric: Grabbed an NHL job, and then got an extension.
  • Shawn Horcoff: Quality player over many years, he’s still missed here.
  • Magnus Paajarvi: The speedy winger is struggling in St. Louis, and the Oilers certainly received value, but he’s a player worth following.
  • Theo Peckham: Opportunity missed, by player and team.

That’s 24. Let me ask you: how many of those players should have been kept? Understanding that Horcoff’s cap hit and history were factors (MacT did him a favor, I think) I’ll say Horcoff, Paajarvi and Dubnyk but there are answers for each name (cap room, Perron and holy hell man, did you see the games?). The other day David Staples over at CofH ran a survey that asked if MacT was doing a better job than Tambellini. I’m astounded anyone thought the question needed asking. Look at the names sent away! Look at how few are in the NHL! It’s criminal.

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This is Rick Middleton. He was drafted in 1973 (14th overall) by the New York Rangers, but he was probably the second or third best player in the draft that season. The Rangers procurement department at that time was run by Dennis Ball and he was a very good hockey man. The Rangers of my youth were very good, but not good enough to beat Boston or the Habs each spring. They punted Emile Francis in 1976 and John Ferguson flushed all the skill and searched for veterans. The trade of Rick Middleton to Boston for a finished Ken Hodge was kind of like trading Nail Yakupov for Chris Kunitz today.

beckThis is Barry Beck. He was a mountain on skates, and Ferguson’s replacement in NYC (Fred Shero) wanted him for his Big Apple Reset. The Rangers sent away 5 players for Beck, who lost much of his career to injury. Looking back, NYR didn’t get value, but that trade made a helluva lot more sense than the Middleton deal. The Rangers traded away Stanley’s every decade of my life, and then they probably traded away two in acquiring the 1994 championship. What  a way to run a railroad.

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There are usually a ton of ex-Oilers on the Rangers and vice-versa, but Corey Potter is the only man to have played in both uniforms. This is the 6,000 NHL game for the blueshirts, they are the 5th team to manage that number. NYR are 15-5-1 in their last 21 games, including a 10-3-0 mark in their last 13.

PROJECTED LINEUP

  • Nuge-Hall-Yakupov
  • Gagner-Perron-Eberle
  • Gordon-Hendricks-Hemsky
  • Smyth-Gazdic-Joensuu
  • Marincin-Petry
  • Ference-J Schultz
  • Fraser-N Scultz
  • Scrivens

CORSI FOR %, OILERS BLUE

  1. Martin Marincin 49.7
  2. Jeff Petry 47.5
  3. Anton Belov 46.3
  4. Taylor Fedun 45.7
  5. Phil Larsen 44.5
  6. Andrew Ference 43.2
  7. Ladislav Smid 43.1
  8. Justin Schultz 43.1
  9. Nick Schultz 41.3
  10. Corey Potter 40.1
  11. Mark Fraser 31.8
  12. Brad Hunt 30.8

The future is at the top, the veterans in the middle and the new hire (Fraser) looks about AHL replacement level. I would like to see the club retain Marincin, Petry, Belov, Fedun, Ference, Justin Schultz and Potter for the second half, possibly calling up Klefbom in case of injury.

TRADES?

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We’re at a point now where there’s no real benefit to trading before the Olympic deadline. If the Kings dealt for Gagner today, it isn’t like he’s going to make a huge difference (no games to play after tonight). Kings can save their cap $$ and make their decision after the break. Los Angeles’ first game back is Feb 26 (Oilers play the 27th) and March 5th is the deadline.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

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A busy, fluid day on the show. 10 this morning, TSN 1260. Scheduled to appear:

  • Dennis King, Oilogosphere icon. Yakupov makes the top line, Arco to the minors, the PP to the ditch.
  • Evan Sporer, Blueshirt Banter. We’ll talk about the Rangers and old man Sather.
  • Michael Parkatti, Boys on the Bus. Eakins promising improvement during the break. What would that look like?

10-1260 via text @Lowetide_ on twitter. Guests added as we go. See you on the radio!

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  1. John Chambers says:

    RNH – Hall – Yakupov

    Yes, yes, and more yes! Best lineup we’ve iced all year and it starts at the top.

  2. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    “Fraser-N Scultz”

    This is starting to remind me of when MacT finally had to pull the plug and take away Eakins’ Marlie toy, Acton.

    Sure, play Fraser his first game here, play him twice even. New hire and all. But… fuck off with this playing him consistently over Belov. That is horrible, horrible, horrible management/coaching.

  3. Snowman says:

    Romulus Apotheosis,

    How do you really feel RA?

    Can’t say I disagree though. Too much growling, not enough hockey.

  4. Jon K says:

    For the love of god, ask Dennis about the Smid trade!

  5. sliderule says:

    Mact in my eyes has only made two big mistakes

    The first was hiring Eakins.

    The second and bigger one was saddling Eakins with fric and frac as assistants

    He traded Smid but they were probably getting interest in Marincin so he had to make room for him.

    They need to dump some of the other D to make room for a look see at Klefbom and Gernat.Gernat has better boxes than most of D picked ahead of him in draft and deserves some time.

  6. Ducey says:

    Omark played 17 minutes last night. No shots. -1.

    He has now played 14 games. He has managed 10 shots and is -6 with 2 apples (both on the PP). He has 4 hits.

    It will be interesting to see whether last night was his final audition or whether BUF will play him tonight and give up a draft pick.

  7. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Ducey:
    Omark played 17 minutes last night.No shots.-1.

    He has now played 14 games.He has managed 10 shots and is -6 with 2 apples (both on the PP).He has 4 hits.

    It will be interesting to see whether last night was his final audition or whether BUF will play him tonight and give up a draft pick.

    He has to play two more games with BUF. 1 game was with the Oilers.

  8. frjohnk says:

    The best time to trade Gagner is in the off season. . Anybody interested in Gagner right now is likely in LA’s position. Close to the gap and not really willing to give up roster players that will make an impact for the oilers this year and next year. Trading Gagner for 3rd and 4th liners is a waste of resources, not mention that we would have to eat salary for the next couple of years.

    We can get those guys ( 3rd and 4th liners) in free agency or we have them in the minors ( Lander, Pitlick) for next year. Not to mention the guys in junior who should fill these roles in 2 to 3 years ( Moroz, Chase, Kharia etc)

    I hope the 3 no. 1′s flourish as a top line for the rest of the year.

    Then looking for a bold move from MacT. Put Eberle (hate to see him go, he was awesome here in Saskatoon world jrs) Gagner and this years first round pick on the table at the draft. Coming back a first pairing defenceman, a two way second line center.

    While there is a lot of work to be done, this would fill 2 large holes for this team for next year.

  9. Pouzar says:

    John Chambers:
    RNH – Hall – Yakupov

    Yes, yes, and more yes! Best lineup we’ve iced all year and it starts at the top.

    How does one come to the conclusion that the first line is better with Yak versus Eberle?

  10. justDOit says:

    With the Rangers playing like this recently, the Oilers will be lucky if this game isn’t their 8th scoreboard goose egg this season.

    Once again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXysRO11Xi8

  11. Logan91 says:

    He may not have gotten the best possible return for Smid, but I would much rather have Marincin then Smid in the line up.

  12. Ducey says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: He has to play two more games with BUF. 1 game was with the Oilers.

    Oops. Thanks.

  13. RBB says:

    Good morning Lowetide,

    I was wondering if you could direct me to any discussion you and your blogophiles have had regarding the Corsi article published in the Journal the other day by Matheson.

    The basic argument was that Corsi was meant for goalies and nobody else.

    Your assistance would be appreciated.

    thanks!

  14. LoDog says:

    Let me ask you: how many of those players should have been kept?

    Zero. Especially MPS. That was a steal of deal, Perron is everything he will never be. Goes to show how Corsi alone can not tell the story of a player. Paajarvi’s penchant for scooting down the wing and letting a muffin go from the blueline doesn’t help win hockey games. And man I really liked him (still do) when he was drafted but he is nothing, at least at this point, to miss.

  15. Ducey says:

    The AV for Torts trade isn’t looking so good for VAN right now.

    :)

  16. Caramel Obvious says:

    Ducey:
    Omark played 17 minutes last night.No shots.-1.

    He has now played 14 games.He has managed 10 shots and is -6 with 2 apples (both on the PP).He has 4 hits.

    It will be interesting to see whether last night was his final audition or whether BUF will play him tonight and give up a draft pick.

    Omark is the unluckiest guy in the world. Played well against the Oilers, one of the best players on the ice on the best line on the ice, had two good scoring chances that he made himself + great steal in the neutral zone to send Stafford away … and gets nothing out of it.

    Didn’t watch much of yesterday’s game but I did see a great pass to Stafford on a 2-1 that Fleury made a great save on. Again, no points.

    The Stafford–Ennis–Omark line looked great to me, though Ennis was the one driving the bus. Miles better than Edmonton’s second line.

  17. Racki says:

    MacTavish is left scraping off the shit that Tambellini left behind. Basically he’s doing Cliff Fletcher duties. I think he’s done a good job with addition by subtraction. This team has been horrible this year and I’d say it was a step back.. However, I do believe the team is in much better hands than under Tambellini.

    The only trade I question so far (by memory) was Smid. I didn’t think there was any good reason to move him, least of all without replacing him. I am a big fan of Brossoit though, so it was a bitter sweet trade.

    He’s only had a partial year as GM here and I think that while the team has been worse, I feel it is going to go in the right direction with MacT at the helm. It will take a bit of time for him to wash Tambellini’s stink out of this team.

  18. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Logan91:
    He may not have gotten the best possible return for Smid, but I would much rather have Marincin then Smid in the line up.

    But would you rather have N. Schultz, Fraser or Smid?

  19. book¡je says:

    RBB:
    Good morning Lowetide,

    I was wondering if you could direct me to any discussion you and your blogophiles have had regarding the Corsi article published in the Journal the other day by Matheson.

    The basic argument was that Corsi was meant for goalies and nobody else.

    Your assistance would be appreciated.

    thanks!

    I think you misinterpreted it. The article indicated that Corsi was developed by a goalie coach to focus on goalie workload. It has since been adopted by others to look at skaters. The article did not suggest that this was an inappropriate use.

  20. Pouzar says:

    LT,

    When does Parkatti come on?

  21. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    RBB:
    Good morning Lowetide,

    I was wondering if you could direct me to any discussion you and your blogophiles have had regarding the Corsi article published in the Journal the other day by Matheson.

    The basic argument was that Corsi was meant for goalies and nobody else.

    Your assistance would be appreciated.

    thanks!

    I don’t think it was mentioned, other than on twitter a few people noted how cool Corsi sounds and would like to meet him.

    At any rate, your interpretation of the article is well-off. Read it again

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/edmonton-oilers/Corsi+Buffalo+Sabres/9469337/story.html

    Besides, even if Corsi, Matty or you were making the claim you suggest, it would simply be a classic case of genetic fallacy.

  22. Woodguy says:

    Glen Sather is many things and has done many things.

    He has a reasonable track record of taking other team’s younger players before they blossom into stars.

    Its a tough thing to do, so its not like it happens everyday, but he had a deal for Stamkos done with one TBY partner before the other one squashed it.

    He stole McDonaugh from Gainey., Out and out robbery.

    Grabbed Graves from the Rags and a list of others.

    I am willing to bet that he is all over MacT to get Yak.

    That would be a very Sather move.

    Probably offering to fill all the holes in the Oilers line up with 2nd rate players for MacT, in exchange for just one little ol’ Yak.

  23. Racki says:

    LoDog:
    Let me ask you: how many of those players should have been kept?

    Zero. Especially MPS. That was a steal of deal, Perron is everything he will never be. Goes to show how Corsi alone can not tell the story of a player. Paajarvi’s penchant for scooting down the wing and letting a muffin go from the blueline doesn’t help win hockey games. And man I really liked him (still do) when he was drafted but he is nothing, at least at this point, to miss.

    I agree that MacT hasn’t moved anyone out that should be missed. And yes, the Paajarvi for Perron deal was a huge steal. We traded a big question mark for a bonafide NHLer that does many things right. No ragrets (sic) there. I didn’t like seeing Smid go though, but I think one day we will be raving about how we got Brossoit for little cost. I could be wrong.. But I have followed him as an Oil King and have a bit of an infatuation with this guy. Goalies are such a crap shoot though.

    Marincin is playing quite well in place of Smid… This I didn’t expect and I guess that was part of the trade too, so to speak.

  24. russ99 says:

    Interesting, I love the Yak to the first line move, and it was strange seeing Eakins talking about needing more offense yesterday.

    Good deal. Looking for two solid games to build on something after the break.

  25. rickithebear says:

    book¡je: I think you misinterpreted it. The article indicated that Corsi was developed by a goalie coach to focus on goalie workload

    Its only real purpose!
    The moment in time were opposition releases pocession towards net.
    Tthe point in time Goalies ready for the released pocession.

    It tells us zero about how the corsi is achieved.
    Change of Pocession type.
    defending players on or off at pocession Change.
    Zone of Change,
    Offensive zone entry type.
    Location of Corsi
    Distance from Net
    Type of release

    what happens after Corsi.
    Path of Corsi
    Missed,
    Blocked,
    Shot.
    Elevation of Shot.

    A single piece of data in a highly dynamic mechanism.

    A load point.
    As in mechanics of very limited value to the workings of mechanics.

  26. Derek says:

    LT just opened to Ruff Ryders Anthem.

    Today’s going to be a good day.

  27. Jordan says:

    There are players leaving that I believe have value:
    Devan Dubnyk: The big man had a horrible year, and will have to recover his career (possibly in the AHL). I think he has value, and the Oilers sold low on him. I did think they paid him too much.
    Mark Fistric: Grabbed an NHL job, and then got an extension.
    Shawn Horcoff: Quality player over many years, he’s still missed here.
    Magnus Paajarvi: The speedy winger is struggling in St. Louis, and the Oilers certainly received value, but he’s a player worth following.
    Theo Peckham: Opportunity missed, by player and team.

    Why do you hate Ladi Smid, Lowetide?

    I heard the real reason he was traded was because LT hates him, and MacT & Dallas like his blog so much they traded him so LT wouldn’t have to talk about him anymore.

    So sad… If you loved Smid half as much as you love Pouliot, he’d still be here, and the Oilers would be in a playoff spot. Also, if you loved Smid more, the global recession would end, scientists would cure cancer, and religious strife would come to an end.

  28. Logan91 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: But would you rather have N. Schultz, Fraser or Smid?

    Season was lost at the time Smid was traded, there’s a 99 percent chance Schultz gets traded for peanuts at the deadline, and Fraser won’t likely be back next year.
    Smid was the only player that would have gotten anything decent in return. Come next season none of them will be in the line up so it doesn’t really matter at this point.

  29. commonfan14 says:

    Seems it’s more and more becoming common opinion that giving up on Cogliano when we did was a big mistake.

    I have a feeling the eventual regret at shipping off Gagner for spare parts is going to put that to shame and then some.

  30. Mr DeBakey says:

    Anton Belov 46.3

    Belov should be playing more.
    I get the feeling the Oilers are gonna hedja him.

  31. Mr DeBakey says:

    Logan91: Smid was the only player that would have gotten anything decent in return.

    Too bad the Oilers didn’t

  32. DBO says:

    Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 56s
    Hearings talks have intensified over past few days between Edmonton and LA Kings over Sam Gagner… Whether it gets done or not, not sure…

    I am scared. Willis is losing his mind over it. I guess if it was King and Muzzin are we as upset?

  33. DBO says:

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 6m
    Interesting tweets from @AJonSports regarding possible deal between LA and EDM involving Gagner and Clifford. Also hearing this possible.

    Clifford is like the Unicorn of the nbig tough two way winger who is not real. He is not Lucic

  34. misfit says:

    McKenzie is on it now? Does this mean there’s a chance we could ACTUALLY be trading Gagner for Kyle #@$&%! Clifford?

    I think I’m going to be sick.

  35. Racki says:

    DBO:
    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie6m
    Interesting tweets from @AJonSports regarding possible deal between LA and EDM involving Gagner and Clifford. Also hearing this possible.

    Clifford is like the Unicorn of the nbig tough two way winger who is not real. He is not Lucic

    Agreed. Oilers need more than Clifford in return, although I’d still be good with him being one of the names coming this way.

  36. goldenchild says:

    Trading a devalued asset for 60 cents on the dollar in a season thats already lost and then also picking up a part of the check on Gagner would be soooo Oilers. If Gagner is one of the assets up front youare ready to move and you dont get help on blueline or Center, I dont even know what to say. This better lead to a Hemsky 3 year deal.

  37. DBO says:

    goldenchild,

    because Oilers.

  38. Ducey says:

    DBO:
    Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun56s
    Hearings talks have intensified over past few days between Edmonton and LA Kings over Sam Gagner… Whether it gets done or not, not sure…

    I am scared. Willis is losing his mind over it. I guess if it was King and Muzzin are we as upset?

    Clifford was a second rounder and did put up a ppg in his junior in his draft year +1. Maybe he becomes more useful if moved up the lineup? I expect he has been playing with the 4th line in LA?

    Clifford + Forbort + a third for Gagner and Musil?

    Trading a devalued asset for 60 cents on the dollar in a season thats already lost and then also picking up a part of the check on Gagner would be soooo Oilers. If Gagner is one of the assets up front youare ready to move and you dont get help on blueline or Center, I dont even know what to say. This better lead to a Hemsky 3 year deal.

    Who cares if they retain some salary? I could see the Oilers paying most of Sam’s salary for the balance of this year and LA paying it all next year. Makes a lot of sense and eliminates the cap as a hurdle to making a deal.

  39. Ben says:

    Six Rings to rule them all, Six Rings to find them,
    Six Rings to bring them all and in the darkness bind them

    – Improved billboard slogan

  40. Evilas says:

    Does anyone see Eberle for Evander Kane as a viable trade? Would the Jets have to add, or is 1 for 1 equivalent value? This would add size into the top 6 immediately. This season has convinced me that Ebs is the one that has to move, adding a proven young goal-scorer with speed and size and an edge is the right move. Despite some of the talk about him being a problem child, maybe he needs a change of scenery. Would the Jets do this deal?

    Gagner to Pho for Samuelsson +

    Hemsky to the Sens for Lazar+

    Address D, G and Depth vets in the offseason

  41. Racki says:

    Ben:
    Six Rings to rule them all, Six Rings to find them,
    Six Rings to bring them all and in the darkness bind them

    – Improved billboard slogan

    This made me Lol.. Since your slightly changing the words, I’d also change bind to blind.

  42. speeds says:

    Ducey:
    Who cares if they retain some salary?I could see the Oilers paying most of Sam’s salary for the balance of this year and LA paying it all next year.Makes a lot of sense and eliminates the cap as a hurdle to making a deal.

    AFAIK, teams can’t break up retained salary in that fashion. If you take on salary, you have to take on the same percent in each year of the contract.

  43. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Logan91: Season was lost at the time Smid was traded, there’s a 99 percent chance Schultz gets traded for peanuts at the deadline, and Fraser won’t likely be back next year.
    Smid was the only player that would have gotten anything decent in return. Come next season none of them will be in the line up so it doesn’t really matter at this point.

    How you manage your assets always matters.

  44. Pouzar says:

    Evilas:
    Does anyone see Eberle for Evander Kane as a viable trade?Would the Jets have to add, or is 1 for 1 equivalent value?This would add size into the top 6 immediately.This season has convinced me that Ebs is the one that has to move, adding a proven young goal-scorer with speed and size and an edge is the right move.Despite some of the talk about him being a problem child, maybe he needs a change of scenery.Would the Jets do this deal?

    Gagner to Pho for Samuelsson +

    Hemsky to the Sens for Lazar+

    Address D, G and Depth vetsin the offseason

    No the Jets wouldn’t need to add…Oiler fans would say we would need to add marincin and 4 1st rounders.

  45. Racki says:

    Evilas:
    Does anyone see Eberle for Evander Kane as a viable trade?Would the Jets have to add, or is 1 for 1 equivalent value?This would add size into the top 6 immediately.This season has convinced me that Ebs is the one that has to move, adding a proven young goal-scorer with speed and size and an edge is the right move.Despite some of the talk about him being a problem child, maybe he needs a change of scenery.Would the Jets do this deal?

    Gagner to Pho for Samuelsson +

    Hemsky to the Sens for Lazar+

    Address D, G and Depth vetsin the offseason

    I would say the other way around.. Oilers would have to add for Kane. Not to under value what we have, but Kane brings a lot to the table the Jets wouldn’t want to part with.

    Also no way the Sens move Lazar for Hemsky, let alone add to that trade.

  46. goldenchild says:

    Pouzar: No the Jets wouldn’t need to add…Oiler fans would say we would need to add marincin and 4 1st rounders.

    Oilers fans or Oilers Management?

  47. LoDog says:

    I don’t know anything about AJ Jakubek or if he has any inside knowledge at all but if Clifford is the player coming back and there is not a serious ++ that would be a huge fail.

    Regarding trades getting done before the Olympic break vs after, maybe we do see some before. I know the general thinking is after allows for less cap hit but before would allow acquired players to get a week of practice in with their new team which could be quite beneficial.

  48. icecastles says:

    Looking at Kyle Clifford on extraskater and capgeek. For what it’s worth:

    5 points on the season (2 goals 3 assists) in 48 games played.
    6.5% shooting percentage.
    5v5 Corgis for: 53.3%
    Rel corgis: -3.7%
    O Zone Start: 53.8%

    Never had more than 14 points in a season.
    Never drawn more penalties than he’s taken.
    Always had at least a slight edge in zone start.
    Never been a killer on any special teams.
    Corgis have generally been positive, but not otherworldly.
    Named after a big red dog.

    $950,000 this year
    $1.2 million next year
    2014/15 is the last year of his deal, at which point he will be an RFA.

    An upgrade on Sam Gagner? Less of a defensive liability, but I don’t see him solving any real problem here or having any fit. As a bottom-six I suppose he’s big, inexpensive and not a defensive hole. Haven’t watched him so dont’ know if he plays with “edge” or “crust” or “grit” or “special sauce” or whatever the buzzword of the day is.

    But unless its another salary-clearing move to make way for someone else, I just don’t see it.

  49. Pouzar says:

    goldenchild: Oilers fans or Oilers Management?

    Oiler fans have a notorious irrational love for Evander Kane and grossly undervalue Eberle imo.

  50. Logan91 says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: How you manage your assets always matters.

    It’s easy to sit here and say we could have gotten more for Smid (maybe Mac T could have), but we have zero idea of what goes on behind closed doors. There are a lot of variables that go into making these decisions.

    Whats done is done, no point in dwelling over it. After watching Smid play in Calgary who would you rather have on the team? Smid? or Bryz and Marincin?

  51. russ99 says:

    Logan91,

    There’s no doubt we could have. Smid would have brought much more at the deadline, as all average defensemen do, especially one signed to such a team-friendly contract.

    That move was all about Broissoit. Hope the kid pays off or it’s yet another massive overvaluation of an Oil King.

    As I posted in the earlier thread: Smid, Dubnyk, Gagner – that would be a track record of selling NHL assets for undervalued returns.

  52. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Logan91: It’s easy to sit here and say we could have gotten more for Smid (maybe Mac T could have), but we have zero idea of what goes on behind closed doors. There are a lot of variables that go into making these decisions.

    Whats done is done, no point in dwelling over it. After watching Smid play in Calgary who would you rather have on the team? Smid? or Bryz and Marincin?

    This is an absurd justification.

    We know historically that D have the most value at the deadline. We know that an exec for another team said he didn’t know Smid was on the table. We know that others were taken aback by the cost.

    And, Smid, Marincin and Bryz are in no way mutually exclusive propositions.

  53. Mr DeBakey says:

    speeds: AFAIK, teams can’t break up retained salary in that fashion. If you take on salary, you have to take on the same percent in each year of the contract.

    Its a new contract July 1

  54. Lois Lowe says:

    I just didn’t really understand the depth to which LT hates Smid until today.

  55. Pouzar says:

    Is Stoll coming back in this deal to help even out $$?

  56. speeds says:

    Mr DeBakey,

    For Gagner? This is year one of his 3 year deal.

  57. auzy11 says:

    sliderule,

    Could not agree with you more!!!!!!!!!!!!

  58. FastOil says:

    Nuge-Hall-Yakupov

    Seems so smart

    Smyth-Gazdic-Joensuu

    Seems so not smart

  59. misfit says:

    Mr DeBakey: Its a new contract July 1

    It’s the same contract next year as it is this year. It’s just that the NTC doesn’t kick in until next year.

    EDIT – We’re talking about the Gagner contract, right?

  60. gcw_rocks says:

    Not sure why people give MacT credit for Marincin. The Oilers got damn lucky the kid is playing as well as he is.

    Martindale is 7GP, 2-3-5 with San Antonio since the trade. Just sayin’. From a Rampage blog “3rd Star [for the week]: Ryan Martindale (2GP 0G-2A-2pts 4 SOG +2). Martindale has been a very effective player since the trade with OKC. With Jared Gomes out, Martindale has centered the 3rd line and played very well. He’s decent in the faceoff circle, can forecheck and penalty kill, and isn’t afraid to stand up for teammates. ” Small sample size, to be sure, but that sounds like a player. We will see.

    If you are going to look at the crap MacT sent away, you should also consider the crap he brought in: Hunt, Grebeshkov, Acton, Hamilton, Joensuu, SMac, Gazdic, Fraser, Hendricks, Pinizzotto. That’s 10, in six months. You could possibly add in Labarbera and Belov given one is gone for nothing and the other is in the press box night after night.

  61. НИНТЕНДО⁶⁴ says:

    Ben:
    Six Rings to rule them all, Six Rings to find them,
    Six Rings to bring them all and in the darkness bind them

    – Improved billboard slogan

    That is the sound of ultimate suffering. My heart made that sound when the six-ringed man killed my franchise.

    – Better billboard slogan

  62. DBO says:

    Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper 5m
    #TradeTracker #Kings reluctant 2 involve Toffoli in trade that get them top 6 scorer. He’s one guy teams like #Oilers r most interested in

    interesting. hold to your guns MacT

  63. DBO says:

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 1m
    To be clear, I can’t assure you Clifford + a pick or prospect for Gagner + EDM retaining $ is guaranteed to happen but it’s being discussed.

    And yes I seem to have a wee bit of time today. Living in St. John’s, Newfoundland now and it’s a snow day so instead of shoveling, I’m having a beer, watching Olympics and paying way too much attention to twitter.

  64. Ducey says:

    FastOil:
    Nuge-Hall-Yakupov

    Seems so smart

    Smyth-Gazdic-Joensuu

    Seems so not smart

    Thats because you have Gazdic playing center.

  65. alice13 says:

    Hmmm,

    Small sample size but Toffoli is .5ppg from the backend, and +15
    Sam is .5ppg at center, and minus-20

    Imagining a world where this makes sense, nevermind that the defender is only 21 and Sam has a 4.8M ball tied to his ankle.

  66. book¡je says:

    icecastles:
    Looking at Kyle Clifford on extraskater and capgeek. For what it’s worth:

    5 points on the season (2 goals 3 assists) in 48 games played.
    6.5% shooting percentage.
    5v5 Corgis for: 53.3%
    Rel corgis: -3.7%
    O Zone Start: 53.8%

    Never had more than 14 points in a season.
    Never drawn more penalties than he’s taken.
    Always had at least a slight edge in zone start.
    Never been a killer on any special teams.
    Corgis have generally been positive, but not otherworldly.
    Named after a big red dog.

    $950,000 this year
    $1.2 million next year
    2014/15 is the last year of his deal, at which point he will be an RFA.

    An upgrade on Sam Gagner? Less of a defensive liability, but I don’t see him solving any real problem here or having any fit. As a bottom-six I suppose he’s big, inexpensive and not a defensive hole. Haven’t watched him so dont’ know if he plays with “edge” or “crust” or “grit” or “special sauce” or whatever the buzzword of the day is.

    But unless its another salary-clearing move to make way for someone else, I just don’t see it.

    Salary clearance could be what MacT is after here along with him having concluded that Gagner will not meet the expectations of his contract. If the deal brings a functional Clifford, a draft pick, and MacT uses the cost savings to sign a solid player, then it starts to address the team problems.

    I like Gagner and think he may be worth more in the future, but there is also the possibility that he remains a smallish forward who averages 0.5 points per game, but who bleeds chances against at $5 million per year. Other GM’s may be looking at this possibility as well.

    MacT went out of his way to speak about Gagner’s ‘character’ in a very positive way so I don’t suspect he is a problem in terms of the culture.

    With that noted, none of this addresses the key problems in the roster unless the money is used in free agency to do so.

  67. DeadmanWaking says:

    Just dealt with Telus. Tam-BELL-ini, not those yokels again!

    Turns out I had been making payments into a wrong Telus account. I disconnected my old land-line around the same time I activated Optik 50 (I’ve never hooked up the cable TV box, which is like a children’s wading pool compared to where I ordinarily choose to drown). I didn’t realize that in the cross-over they had issued me a different account number, like I somehow needed this.

    Once upon a time I decided to become hyper-organized about my monthly bill payments. As someone who is often awake in the off hours, I thought it would be a good time in my day to attend to this matter. But no–every second time I attempted to access my e-bill, the Telus e-bill service was offline yet again. So I called them up and asked to have both the paper bill and the e-bill so that I could at least get my balance from the paper backup copy while Telus’s electronic system was doing what Google doesn’t–absent itself to pluck lint out of its navel. But No!. Not possible to have both: pick one or the other. “We can’t do both. Against policy.”

    So I fell back to my old default behaviour of tossing a couple of hundred bucks onto it whenever I estimated I might be in arrears. For some reason I can usually estimate in my head my year-to-date payment-owed and payment-made totals near enough, with maybe a small course correction every six months or so.

    A week ago I got a call from Telus collection services. “That’s odd,” I said to myself, “normally I don’t lose track.” So I threw a couple of hundred bucks on there until I felt like giving it a tiny slice of my full attention (there is indeed a perfect mood to revel in masochism if you’re quick to recognize the fleeting Reich-blood).

    Then today I get another call from collection services. “WTF?” I said to myself. So now I actually had to do the dirty and speak to a Telus representative. “Shoot me now,” I said to myself as I dialed the fateful number.

    Of course it turns out that all the money I’ve been tossed at Telus is piling up in an account which is delivering me no service whatsoever and almost certainly never will (or could according to Telus policies that would boil the blood of the Abominable Snowman encased in ice at the bottom of an Antarctic glacier). I didn’t get a call about that, now did I? But they’re sure anxious to collect money at the other desk. Granted, I should be far more vigilant about logging onto their erratic customer accounts service whenever it so moves them to keep it online. See above.

    Ever so often with my online banking I neglect to press “confirm” after specifying my bill payments. Haven’t done that for years, but it has happened. So I just figured I must have somehow missed it concerning this account at least once. Well, not so much–it turns out that I’ve got enough credit there to pay for my service through to the end of my contract year, and then some. They have no plans to refund me the credit balance unless I call another Telus department (which presumably will involve another half hour wait time, as it once did before; today it only took the guy 16 minutes on hold–while I cringed to “Should Have Put a Ring on It”–to move the money from one Telus account to the other both in my own name–it’s not like they use computers for this stuff which could complete this transaction in a New York microsecond).

    When I entered the engineering profession–without an engineering degree, since no one ever dies when software fails–we understood Murphy’s Law as a cynical reality.

    But no, we were far from the mark; it’s now become sanctified as an official Telus business objective: “Everything that can go wrong must go wrong, if the upside is ours.”

    Meanwhile, good ol’ network neutrality is spiralling down the drainpipe, and soon they be up to more of the same with cherries on top. Meanwhile, the zebras over at the CRTC are living in the land of milk and honey, and their whistles only serve to summon the Bell and Telus pimps to orchestrate yet another blow job PDQ.

    Eakins arrogant? My ass. It’s really nothing more than the fact that his wife handles the Telus bill, since he’s such a busy man. Body language. You can walk down the street and spot them: pays his own Telus bill (sad, stooped, unshaven fellow); conned his wife into paying the Telus bill (great posture, perfect five o’clock shadow all day long, but damn that smirk could get annoying).

    There. I feel 1% better now. Not the one percent better now. Just 1%.

  68. Ribs says:

    The Ol’ Toffoli Pump and Dump, we’ll calls it. Oy.

  69. oilersfan says:

    Alice

    Toffoli is a winger, not a dman.

    Oilers should have drafted him instead of Pitlick, imo.

  70. Bag of Pucks says:

    commonfan14:
    Seems it’s more and more becoming common opinion that giving up on Cogliano when we did was a big mistake.

    I have a feeling the eventual regret at shipping off Gagner for spare parts is going to put that to shame and then some.

    During his latter days with the Oil, Cogliano was showing a willingness to reinvent himself as a checking winger.

    During his latter days with the Oil, Gagner is showing a willingness to reinvent himself as a perpetual minus.

  71. nycoil says:

    Will be at the game tonight, 7th row, club seats near the face-off dot. I was so excited when I pounced on these at face value in the summer when tickets were released. They’re a stiff $335 a piece and I got two, because by golly, my favourite team was coming to town for the first time in 4 years, and they were gonna be on the upswing and contending for a possible wild card playoff spot (I am on the record a few times here before the season started that I didn’t think they were a playoff team, but would fall a bit short, rather than the miles and miles short we see now).

    Now…not so enthused, and the Rangers official website is trying to sell $155 face value tickets in the 2nd tier for $80 a piece. Tickets in my section on stubhub are going for as low as $105 a pop (albeit a few rows up from me). I asked no less than 8 friends to come along with me, for FREE, my treat, and 8 said “no thanks.” The ninth said yes and he has a cold, which he may pass on to me.

    Talk about buyer’s remorse….

  72. VanOil says:

    Kyle KFC Clifford

    As we have discussed before KFC is a mild form of suicide. But, I have a coupon.

  73. hags9k says:

    I am going to weep when Daryl Sutter turns Gagner into a good all around player.

    Gagner + good coaching = 2C.

    But instead lets send Gagner to Hollywood for a knuckledragger.

    Round round we go.

  74. Bag of Pucks says:

    True story, Sam Gagner’s FO% vs Buff was 26.67. Buffalo has the 5th worst FO% in the league.

    You can’t make this stuff up.

  75. meanashell11 says:

    I’ll be there as well, section 8 (how appropriate) row 4. Have most of my kids and friends coming as well. Hope it’s not too painful.

  76. Ducey says:

    Ribs:
    The Ol’ Toffoli Pump and Dump, we’ll calls it. Oy.

    Why do you say that? He put up 100 pts in junior then a point a game in the AHL. I am kind of wondering what Sam provides that Toffoli doesn’t?

  77. oilersfan says:

    I am not thrilled with the idea of Gagner and we retain salary for Clifford plus a second round pick as a good trade. I would prefer the Oilers wait one year and trade him in the offseason of 2015 as he will have recovered from that injury and lkely return to form next year and with the cap around $75 million the Oilers won’t have to retain any salary.

    That being said, this year he has been awful, below replacement value if you consider Arco has been better in corsi, FO, and ppg.

    I know the coppernblue guys will cry for a year over this but Gagner really has played poorly this year and I am surprised he has any value at all.

    That being said, no doubt the Oilers are selling low.

  78. "Steve Smith" says:

    Ducey: Why do you say that?He put up 100 pts in junior then a point a game in the AHL.I am kind of wondering what Sam provides that Toffoli doesn’t?

    Well, Gagner’s a centre. Sort of.

  79. nycoil says:

    Gagner and salary retained for Clifford and a pick would be beyond terrible. I don’t know if I’d have the heart to go on following the team if that’s the direction we are going. As if Gilbert, Brodziak, Glencross, Cogliano, to name a few isn’t bad enough, we are going to jettison Gagner now? For that? Please let this be LA’s offer and MacT, please laugh it off.

  80. DBO says:

    Ducey,

    Toffoli looks like a slightly taller version of Gagner. He plays wing, not centre, and he seems to have the same offensive gifts. SO I guess other then saving money and getting younger, why do it? Cause younger is what we need.

    pounds head on desk.

  81. Rondo says:

    Clifford is a complimentary player. He does not drive the bus. With a structured and playoff type team he can be very effective. If he is traded to the the Oilers his play will decline and eventually end up as a 4th line player.

  82. art vandelay says:

    Enjoyed that Telus story.
    It is mockingly ironic that they call themselves a telecommunications company.

  83. Bag of Pucks says:

    “Steve Smith”: Well, Gagner’s a centre.Sort of.

    Gagner is to Centre as Alice Cooper is to Singer.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HyrsmfMozo (4:40 in)

  84. Lois Lowe says:

    If this trade was Hemsky for Clifford I could get behind it.

  85. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Lois Lowe:
    If this trade was Hemsky for Clifford I could get behind it.

    I couldn’t.

  86. admiralmark says:

    Alan if this trade goes down as reported. Gagner for Clifford plus Oil retaining a portion of Gagner’s salary. Does this change your opinion of MacT? It sure does mine.

  87. Pouzar says:

    admiralmark:
    Alan if this trade goes down as reported. Gagner for Clifford plus Oil retaining a portion of Gagner’s salary. Does this change your opinion of MacT? It sure does mine.

    This will NOT be the trade. Relax people.

    Even Stauffer is saying as such after pumping Clifford’s tires yesterday.

  88. Pouzar says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I couldn’t.

    I think Lombardi would have did that trade in a cocaine heartbeat already.

  89. Ducey says:

    DBO:
    Ducey,

    Toffoli looks like a slightly taller version of Gagner. He plays wing, not centre, and he seems to have the same offensive gifts. SO I guess other then saving money and getting younger, why do it? Cause younger is what we need.

    pounds head on desk.

    TSN had him listed as a C on their stats page…

    I had Omark’s games played wrong, didn’t know about the salary split rules, and had Toffoli as a C. All in the same thread.

    Maybe I should just go back to work.

  90. Lois Lowe says:

    Pouzar,

    I don’t think Hemsky is going to garner much more of a return than that to be honest. Maybe a late 1st or late 2nd round pick. Why not get an actual NHL player under contract?

  91. Halfwise says:

    Ducey: TSN had him listed as a C on their stats page…I had Omark’s games played wrong, didn’t know about the salary split rules, and had Toffoli as a C. All in the same thread.Maybe I should just go back to work.

    Not so fast…does it involve driving or operating machinery?

  92. AZOIL says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I couldn’t.

    What? Why would that be any better? I second that motion and would not get behind it!!!

  93. stevezie says:

    DBO,

    You got a snow day out of it? Not one of my classes were cancelled. Not one.

    At least snow days are a hope here. In Alberta things opened come hell or high.

  94. Woodguy says:

    russ99:
    Interesting, I love the Yak to the first line move, and it was strange seeing Eakins talking about needing more offense yesterday.

    Good deal. Looking for two solid games to build on something after the break.

    I think its a demotion for Eberle after having two awful games vs BUF and BOS.

    Eakins trying to be fair and show the team that Yak isn’t the only one who’s being held accountable.

  95. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    My first lady pants tweet!

    Tracy Lane ‏@TreenasOil Protected Tweets 1m
    Gagner deal to Kings close should happen by game time MacT has already spoken to Mr Katz #multiplayer as per Garfield

  96. Protagonist says:

    Robin Brownlee ‏@Robin_Brownlee 1h
    EDM needs a big, physical player who can play in top 6, not another fourth-line banger, if they move Gagner. Clifford is not that guy.

    It’s not a good time to be an Oilers fan when Robin Browlnee is the voice of reason calling for restraint in acquiring a knuckle-dragger.

  97. fifthcartel says:

    Tracy Lane ‏@TreenasOil Protected Tweets 51s
    Gagner deal to Kings close should happen by game time MacT has already spoken to Mr Katz #multiplayer as per Garfield

    Haha, uh oh.

    edit: damn – beaten.

    however -

    AJ Jakubec ‏@AJonSports now
    Further to earlier tweets, a 2nd source told me the Oilers would get more than Clifford from LA if Gagner deal is completed.

  98. OilClog says:

    Lois Lowe:
    If this trade was Hemsky for Clifford I could get behind it.

    So we trade a clearly dominate player for a clearly not dominate player..

    I thought Gagner for Clifford was low.. But Hemsky?! An actual producing career long player.. For Kyle Clifford?!?

    Hemsky for Clifford.. Vomit. I know the Oilers will never win a Hemsky trade but if all the return is Kyle Clifford.. Sign Hemsky now!

  99. russ99 says:

    Protagonist:
    Robin Brownlee ‏@Robin_Brownlee1h
    EDM needs a big, physical player who can play in top 6, not another fourth-line banger, if they move Gagner. Clifford is not that guy.

    It’s not a good time to be an Oilers fan when Robin Browlnee is the voice of reason calling for restraint in acquiring a knuckle-dragger.

    LOL! That’s awesome.

  100. OilClog says:

    Woodguy: I think its a demotion for Eberle after having two awful games vs BUF and BOS.

    Eakins trying to be fair and show the team that Yak isn’t the only one who’s being held accountable.

    What a punishment.. Ebs go play with Perron you’ve been sucking.
    Yak go play with yourself in the skybox, you’ve been sucking. Totally the same treatment

  101. stevezie says:

    Ducey: TSN had him listed as a C on their stats page…

    I had Omark’s games played wrong, didn’t know about the salary split rules, and had Toffoli as a C.All in the same thread.

    Maybe I should just go back to work.

    Not so fast. Spending time working instead of carefully reading hockey stuff is exactly what created this problem. Are you sure the solution ins more of the same?

    Protagonist,

    Brownlee for GM, I guess. I had such high hopes for a deal to NYI, the Pens or the Flyers. And I like Clifford!

    I agree that we’re better off hoping the broken jaw is the cause of the problem and letting him get good again, but maybe MacT doesn’t think the value is going to go up until he plays better hockey next fall, and doesn’t want to put Sam in the position to squash a deal?

  102. stevezie says:

    I wanted St Louis on the team, but it is bending my mind how someone can have James Neal’s ppg and not make a team. Any team.

  103. oilersfan says:

    regarding MacT being worried Gagner will quash a deal…

    if you were a hockey player making 4.8 million US would you rather play for the worst team in the league or for LA, oh ya, and get to live in LA

    I am from Edmonton and love living here, but I wouldn’t quash a deal to go to LA who is a top 4 team, and as a bonus, making 4.8 million I get to live there to.

    Last time I checked guys making that kind of dough have a pretty good lifestyle.

  104. Ryan says:

    oilersfan,

    His fiancé RL has one more year to punch on her ticket to complete her residency. After that, it’s complicated for her to potentially work in the US.

  105. Hammers says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: I couldn’t.

    Me either .

  106. Ryan says:

    Wow, I was one of the few guys banging on the sell high trade Gagner rfn last season, but this deal is making me throw up a little in my mouth.

  107. godot10 says:

    LoDog:

    Zero. Especially MPS. That was a steal of deal, Perron is everything he will never be. Goes to show how Corsi alone can not tell the story of a player. Paajarvi’s penchant for scooting down the wing and letting a muffin go from the blueline doesn’t help win hockey games. And man I really liked him (still do) when he was drafted but he is nothing, at least at this point, to miss.

    Perron will be gone as a UFA in two years. Paajarvi will be emerging as the premier shutdown left winger in the NHL. Plus St. Louis has that #32 pick coming.

    The problem with going backwards two full seasons this year is that turns a good trade into a pointless trade.

  108. bendelson says:

    To recap:

    Clifford for Gagner is not enough.
    Clifford and a 3rd is also not enough.

    Clifford and a 1st is too rich.
    Clifford and Muzzin is too rich.
    Clifford and Toffoli is also too rich.

    By process of elimination, if the deal does actually include Clifford then:

    Clifford and Forbort for Gagner + salary compensation?

    Do I have this about right?

  109. OilClog says:

    The more these LA/EDM rumors run, I’m wondering if it’s all just to try and get other GM’s.. Snow, Holmgren, Murray, ect. to throw their hats in the ring. Sather is around and could be the boldest of them all.

  110. Hammers says:

    Fraser & N.Schultz over Belov . Does anyone get this as I don’t . These are the times I think Eakins has his head up his ass . McT do Belov a favour and trade him after he plays for Russia . LT thinks McT did Horc a favour and now people think he is doing Gags a favour . Someone needs to remind him he needs to do the fans a favour . If the deal is Clifford for Gags I will be pissed / shocked / disgusted especially after McT’s presigning comments on Gags .Say it aint so .

  111. Yeti says:

    Personally, I think it would be very fitting for the Oil to trade Gagner for a giant red dog. I’d actually pay to watch that.

  112. godot10 says:

    Racki:
    MacTavish is left scraping off the shit that Tambellini left behind.

    Au contraire. Tambellini left MacT a clean slate. Nobody on no-trade clauses. Only three players on non-ELC deals signed beyond one-year (Hall, Eberle, and Smid)…with Hall’s an exceptional contract, and Eberle’s will become one over time. And well Smid without a no-trade. (Horcoff has two years, but that was not Tambellini’s contract, and both MacT had two compliance buyouts available.)

    The team is stacked with D prospects. The elite talent is in place.

    The team he left hung at the tail end of the pack last year.

    MacT had a pretty easy job. Get depth and role players. And fix the defense.

  113. book¡je says:

    Romulus Apotheosis: g comments on Gags .Say it aint so

    You need to remember that the trade is 3 months of Hemksy of Clifford long term. Hemsky will not be back in Edmonton unless Edmonton significantly overpays him.

  114. Halfwise says:

    If a Gagner deal were to happen today wouldn’t there be a callup from OKC? Someone has to play C.

    I feel the frenzy rising, for sure. But let’s not get ahead of ourselves. My prediction fwiw is Gagner + Gernat for Clifford + Matt Greene.

  115. Pouzar says:

    Any one listening to Stauffer notice him stressing the “GONE” in Gagner when reading off the lines for tonight???

    hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

  116. art vandelay says:

    If the deal gets Toffoli away from that mule-head Sutter, then I’m all for it.
    But replacing an anti-Sutter like Toffoli with an older, more expensive anti-Sutter like Gagner just doesn’t make sense.
    Gagner makes more sense in some middling, no-accountability market like NAS or FLA or BUF. Like a post-concussion Paul Kariya wandering around the NHL collecting paycheques he didn’t earn.

  117. Woodguy says:

    I’m liking Brownlee todayy:

    (haven;t scrolled up to see if these were posted, saw one other)

    Robin Brownlee ‏@Robin_Brownlee 1h
    EDM fans who want to run Sam Gagner out of town for a ham sandwich and a song will be the first to bitch when he’s a 55-60-pt. guy in LA.

    @Robin_Brownlee Clifford’s big and tough and has 45 pts in 253 games. Zack Stortini is big and tough. Stortini had 41 pts in 257 games.

    Gregor’s not bad either:

    Jason Gregor ‏@JasonGregor 1h
    For the love of God do not trade Gagner for a 4th liner and picks.Bad teams remain bad teams because they deal NHL players for low % picks.

  118. Woodguy says:

    Halfwise:
    If a Gagner deal were to happen today wouldn’t there be a callup from OKC? Someone has to play C.

    I feel the frenzy rising, for sure. But let’s not get ahead of ourselves. My prediction fwiw is Gagner + Gernat for Clifford + Matt Greene.

    My prediction is Goneyay + Musil for Clifford + Forbort

  119. Pouzar says:

    Woodguy,

    I know it’s a prediction but my gawd is that a terrible deal.

    Resisting urge to freak out till something happens.

  120. Doug McLachlan says:

    If it was Gagner for Muzzin, Tofolli (even with us retaining salary) we’d all be jumping for joy. If its Clifford and Forbert we are all storming the Fortress on Kingsway with pitchforks and torches.

    Let it play out.

    Am wondering, though, where the Barons are today. This is starting to crystalize quickly and I would be curious if they could they call up Arco/Lander in time if a deal does go through?

  121. Yeti says:

    This is a highly asymmetrical trade, with risk for both sides.
    LA clearly believe this is a case of buying low (and Gagner’s value has probably never been lower) yet the risk for them is in the salary. That’s a hefty contract for a player that is currently underperforming and is likely a complementary player at best. So while the actual cost of trading for Gagner is minimal (Clifford plus picks), the salary risk is high.
    If Edmonton swallows some of that salary, the risk goes down considerably for LA and they could win big on the trade. If they are asking for any significant salary retention then MacT better be bargaining for far more than the big red dog and picks.

  122. TheGreatMutato says:

    Well, I had a dream last night that I was watching the Oilers and noticed the roster was different. Somehow Jordan Eberle was no longer on the team but retired backup goaltender Martin Biron was. So fuck it – after waking up from that I’m ready for anything.

  123. Ben says:

    Pouzar,

    “Any one listening to Stauffer notice him stressing the “GONE” in Gagner when reading off the lines for tonight???”

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0268978/

  124. Ducey says:

    Woodguy: My prediction is Goneyay + Musil for Clifford + Forbort

    Throw in a 3rd rounder to EDM and you will be correct (see my post at 10:34).* :)

    *Of course I spend too much time working and not enough time learning hockey, so what do I know.

  125. jb says:

    I want Voynov. Worthy of trading the 1st +? NO way we see assets thrown away like people think. Smid deal is the only exception, though it’s pretty obvious a retooling of the D is coming.

  126. The Great One says:

    godot10: Perron will be gone as a UFA in two years. Paajarvi will be emerging as the premier shutdown left winger in the NHL.Plus St. Louis has that #32 pick coming.

    The problem with going backwards two full seasons this year is that turns a good trade into a pointless trade.

    Important to remember that NJ doesn’t get a 1st round pick this year so that pick is actually one slot higher.

    However, suggesting Paajarvi will emerge as “the premier shutdown left winger in the league” is more than a little goofy.

    In the 35 games he’s played with the Blues, he is the only player on the team with a minus rating at -4 on a team that leads the lead in goal differential at +59.

    (Jaskin has only played 6 games and is -1)

    And that’s against very weak competition. (12th among forwards in QC).

    As for Perron, I think it’s highly unlikely the Oilers would let him walk away as a free agent and would instead trade him before it reached that point.

  127. "Steve Smith" says:

    The Great One: Important to remember that NJ doesn’t get a 1st round pick this year so that pick is actually one slot higher.

    It really, really isn’t.

  128. linkfromhyrule says:

    as was stated before, toffoli has a .963 on-ice SV% and a 105 PDO this season. I’m not sure how sustainable his 0.5ppg will be when he isn’t playing for one of the best possession teams in the league. I have a hard time saying toffoli is equal value. Don’t even get me started on gagner for a 4th liner

    Gagner on the other hand has sub-900 on-ice sv%… is that why gagner is having a horrible season? Certainly not, but it doesn’t help his +/- or optics.

    I agree that maybe trading gagner needs to happen sooner or later, but I’m just not sure you can send gagner away without getting close to equal value coming back. I don’t see anyone on the kings that we have a realistic chance of acquiring that is worth gagner. And please for the love of all things not quick. Anyone but jonathan quick

  129. hunter1909 says:

    The last time Oilers talked with the Kings, they wanted Voynov. Oilers walked off with Colton Teubert.

  130. hunter1909 says:

    nycoil:
    Will be at the game tonight, 7th row, club seats near the face-off dot. I was so excited when I pounced on these at face value in the summer when tickets were released. They’re a stiff $335 a pieceand I got two, because by golly, my favourite team was coming to town for the first time in 4 years, and they were gonna be on the upswing and contending for a possible wild card playoff spot (I am on the record a few times here before the season started thatI didn’t think they were a playoff team, but would fall a bit short, rather than the miles and miles short we see now).

    Now…not so enthused, and the Rangers official website is trying to sell $155 face value tickets in the 2nd tier for $80 a piece. Tickets in my section on stubhub are going for as low as $105 a pop (albeit a few rows up from me). I asked no less than 8 friends to come along with me, for FREE, my treat, and 8 said “no thanks.” The ninth said yes and he has a cold, which he may pass on to me.

    Talk about buyer’s remorse….

    You have my sincere condolences. Had this game circled as soon as the schedule came out, but like your friend I’ve mysteriously come down with something, and probably, hopefully might even miss the game while sleeping or something useful. I’ll probably watch 15 minutes. That’s how long it takes me lately to change the channel.

    I don’t care to follow the Olympics, so hoping to be able to build on the break to ignore the Edmonton Seals for the rest of the season.

  131. FastOil says:

    Ducey: Fast

    LT style

  132. LoDog says:

    godot10: Perron will be gone as a UFA in two years. Paajarvi will be emerging as the premier shutdown left winger in the NHL.Plus St. Louis has that #32 pick coming.

    The problem with going backwards two full seasons this year is that turns a good trade into a pointless trade.

    Paarjarvi will be the premier shutdown left winger in the NHL? Really? That is just make believe.

  133. icecastles says:

    Lois Lowe:
    If this trade was Hemsky for Clifford I could get behind it.

    So you’re saying your a Kings fan? Replacing Gagner with Hemsky makes it worse, not better.

  134. Woodguy says:

    hunter1909:
    The last time Oilers talked with the Kings, they wanted Voynov. Oilers walked off with Colton Teubert.

    I really doubt Tambellini ever knew that Voynov existed.

  135. book¡je says:

    icecastles: Tickets in my section on stubhub are going for as low as $105 a pop

    3 months of Hemsky – remember that part. People seem to forget that part when talking trades.

  136. icecastles says:

    Protagonist: But what’s his +/-. INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW.

    +
    He lives in LA.
    He’s rich.

    -
    He might have to live in Edmonton.
    He’s named after a big red dog.

  137. Protagonist says:

    icecastles: +
    He lives in LA.
    He’s rich.

    -
    He might have to live in Edmonton.
    He’s named after a big red dog.

    We know they’ve been looking to acquire muscle. Do we have conclusive proof he isn’t ACTUALLY a big red dog? He would certainly bring more truculence to the sideboards than say, RNH.

  138. rickithebear says:

    oilersfan:
    Alice

    Toffoli is a winger, not a dman.

    Oilers should have drafted him instead of Pitlick, imo.

    that was the EIG/ Lowe/Pendergast regime.

    LA should have taken Eberle instead of Tuebert!

    There we are better again!

  139. rickithebear says:

    With a goal in mind!
    There are only so many pp fwd positions available.
    teams need high even goal production from there top 10 forwards. the more top 200 Even goal scorers the better.

    Our curent top 4
    hall 15, Perron 15, Ebs 12, RNh 10 ranks 14th.

    if yak had the same rate as last year we would have 4 top 40 EVG scorers Hall, Ebs, Perron, Yak. putting them in the top 6 for best 4 fwds totals.

    were we lack is #5-10 forwards.
    our 29 Even Goals from fwd 5-10 is 29th in the league currently

    Hemsky 6 5M
    Yakupov 6
    Gordon 6
    Gagner 5 4.8M
    Smyth 3 2.25M
    Arco 3

    Remeber MacT said we need more scoring from Bottom 6.

    Clifford averages 9 min a game facing mid to upper 3rds.
    Averages .63 EVG/60 if he gets top 10 fwd minutes of 11.75/gm+
    He would be 10 EVG/ season.

    A 5-10 of
    RNH 18/season
    XXX
    XXX
    XXX <-Clifford 10/season
    Hendricks 9/season
    Gordon 7/season
    this kind of production gets us in the top 6 for EVG from 10 fwds.

    The Game!

    Goals for and Goals against.

    Defensive zone start fwds. Gordon, Hendricks, XXX

    He has a plan!

  140. Lois Lowe says:

    icecastles,

    I don’t think, as WG and Marc have repeatedly pointed out, that trading Gagner in season is a wise idea or will bring anything of value in return. Hemsky is going UFA and, as I said above, I am not sure that his value is anything more than a very late 1st /2nd round pick and a marginal prospect. Clifford is an NHL player on a reasonable contract whom the Oilers can control via RFA negotiations. That seems like a reasonable return to me.

  141. Ducey says:

    http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/puck/article.php?articleid=1584

    Here is Pronman’s top 10 LA Prospects from the fall.

    Maybe Clifford and Vey? At least they get a C back.

  142. HiddenDarts says:

    Ryan:
    oilersfan,

    His fiancéRL has one more year to punch on her ticket to complete her residency.After that, it’s complicated for her to potentially work in the US.

    I would suggest that the “complications” would be pretty limited. Not sure of your level of knowledge in regards to US healthcare system, but let’s just say that Doctors are somewhat welcome.

  143. icecastles says:

    Lois Lowe:
    icecastles,

    I don’t think, as WG and Marc have repeatedly pointed out, that trading Gagner in season is a wise idea or will bring anything of value in return. Hemsky is going UFA and, as I said above, I am not sure that his value is anything more than a very late 1st /2nd round pick and a marginal prospect. Clifford is an NHL player on a reasonable contract whom the Oilers can control via RFA negotiations. That seems like a reasonable return to me.

    Good points. I forget that Hemsky is really only 3 months of Hemsky. And I’m 100% in agreement that offloading Gags now is selling low, and I’m so tired of the Oilers buying high and selling low.

  144. Bad Seed says:

    Ducey,

    Notice how LA’s best prospects have skating issues, including Toffolli?

  145. Ryan says:

    HiddenDarts: I would suggest that the “complications” would be pretty limited. Not sure of your level of knowledge in regards to US healthcare system, but let’s just say that Doctors are somewhat welcome.

    Times have changed. It used to be really easy for a gp from Canada to work in the states as recently as about maybe 1998 or so. There used to be pretty reasonable reciprocity in terms of credentials.

    It’s still pretty easy for specialists if they’re in demand.

    I honestly don’t know for sure, but I’d imagine she would have to write all of her USMLE’s, US family med board exam, and maybe even do another year of residency since it’s a three year program in the US.

    Obviously these things are not insurmountable, but they’re not nothing as they say.

  146. nycoil says:

    Couldn’t decide between my ’06 Cup Finals jersey and the current “vintage” blue one. Went for the former, along with an old cap. Just in case the sportsnet feed picks me up. Here’s hoping Gagner is in the lineup tonight and the #1 line scores a lot! Go Oilers go!

  147. jake70 says:

    hunter1909:
    The last time Oilers talked with the Kings, they wanted Voynov. Oilers walked off with Colton Teubert.

    Colten Teubert, Patrick O’Sullivan, fine building blocks for a perennial winner ….lol.

  148. spoiler says:

    Has anyone heard if Arcobello has been recalled? If not, I doubt anything happens today, although from up here on the mountain-top fire tower I gotta say, “Damn, that’s a lotta smoke!”

    Would people be okay with the return if it was Toffoli/Clifford and Matt Greene?

  149. icecastles says:

    Not enough satirists performing the national anthem.

    …this guy IS trying to be funny with his rendition, right?

  150. icecastles says:

    Speaking of satirists, if Edmonton wins tonight, and every remaining game of the season, they will finish one game above .500

  151. mumbai max says:

    spoiler:
    Has anyone heard if Arcobello has been recalled?If not, I doubt anything happens today, although from up here on the mountain-top fire tower I gotta say, “Damn, that’s a lotta smoke!”

    Would people be okay with the return if it was Toffoli/Clifford and Matt Greene?

    Matt Greene is a rental/UFA

  152. nycoil says:

    Gagner is in the lineup! Phew! 6000th game in Rangers’ history. Pretty cool. Any other Lowetide frequenters at the game with me?

  153. Lowetide says:

    Very pleased to see 89 out there.

  154. Lowetide says:

    nycoil:
    Gagner is in the lineup! Phew! 6000th game in Rangers’ history. Pretty cool. Any other Lowetide frequenters at the game with me?

    One of my dreams is to see a game at MSG. One day!

  155. nycoil says:

    Smytty! 06 cup jersey brings us luck!

  156. stevezie says:

    There. This season is officially not a total loss.

  157. Lois Lowe says:

    Yak seems to be drifting left today.

  158. VanOil says:

    That 85 kid can skate like the wind when he is hustling. If Yak convinces the coach to keep him on that line for the whole game or better yet rest of the season. I may not regret watching these meaningless games

  159. Zelepukin says:

    Good shift by Yaks. H seems to be actually thinking about getting open for once.

  160. Ryan says:

    Lowetide: One of my dreams is to see a game at MSG. One day!

    Maybe we can all chip in for some Knicks tickets. :)

  161. Well Oiled and Enthusiastic says:

    Sutter will strangle Gagner for ineptitude.

  162. spoiler says:

    Oilers really mixing up their D pairings so far… I think 19 has been out with every LHD thus far. 4-93-64 line has only had 2-85 out with them once so far.

  163. Lois Lowe says:

    So now we know Fraser cannot take a pass.

  164. spoiler says:

    So, you know, so far.

  165. VanOil says:

    Lois Lowe:
    So now we know Fraser cannot take a pass.

    Stick Optional. Square Puck. Ham Fisted…

  166. spoiler says:

    Marincin learning…

  167. spoiler says:

    Eberle high-sticked right in front of the ref and no call.

  168. russ99 says:

    Good game so far.

  169. spoiler says:

    russ99: Good game so far.

    Looks winnable.

  170. Lowetide says:

    Corgi’s are 10-15 after 1 (although sometimes it updates), I’d say Oilers have an “uneasy” lead.

  171. spoiler says:

    MacS wants Clifford and Martinez. We’ll see if MacT agrees.

  172. VanOil says:

    McSorley had to many head shots. I could not cheer for Dustin Brown.

  173. stevezie says:

    McSorely is the second “insider” I’ve heard claim that Crosby loves Gagner and has asked Shero to acquire him to be Sid’s winger.

    So, either it’s true, or Sid once made a standard off-hand complimentary remark and both Sportsnet guys in the room heard it. Or one made it up and the other believed him.

    In any case, I want Maata.

  174. spoiler says:

    Well one has to wonder if the Gagner rumour is so public because it is being used as a negotiating technique against other teams.

  175. Lowetide says:

    Marincin got walked in that period. The compliment is it was shocking to discover it was him.

  176. Ribs says:

    Smyth and Perron together seems like a very good idea. Huh.

  177. spoiler says:

    Lowetide: Marincin got walked in that period. The compliment is it was shocking to discover it was him.

    He got him the second time he tried it. That’s all you can ask for. No one plays in this league without having to learn the first year… you have no idea of an opposing player’s actual speed, strength, etc. Have to play here to find that out.

  178. Ribs says:

    Nice chest level pass from Ference to break out of the Oilers zone. Ugh.

  179. Zelepukin says:

    god 21-5 are a horrible pairing. Expect no great passes, ever.

  180. nycoil says:

    Lowetide,

    Well, we will have to make that happen some day. By eye from tonight, Ference’s gap control is a chronic problem, Fraser doesn’t seem like a professional athletes, Nuge needs to take a page from Perron’s book and shoot more.

  181. OilClog says:

    Fraser < Pylon

  182. russ99 says:

    Fraser is going to be a UFA, he’s a placeholder D, nothing more.

    Though at this rate we may see Fedun bedore too long.

  183. Ryan says:

    Whatever the Oikers needed on d prior to this season, Ference wasn’t it.

    The Tambellini trio looks not bad together.

  184. leadfarmer says:

    This team makes those WIld teams under Lemaire look exciting.

  185. Ribs says:

    Fraser looks like that guy in beer league who forgot his glasses.

  186. Derek says:

    Frasier…seriously?

  187. book¡je says:

    94 Screwed there. Give him the record.

  188. VanOil says:

    Intention to Blow is the funniest rule ever.

  189. OilClog says:

    What a pile of duece

  190. spoiler says:

    I want to punch this reffing crew in the face.

  191. Derek says:

    Nice move Gagner, might’ve worked in London.

  192. Zelepukin says:

    Derek:
    Nice move Gagner, might’ve worked in London.

    Ya, I can see LA watching this game and saying, so this guy is so suppose to improve our team how?

  193. spoiler says:

    Over the past week Cameron and Cybulski have completely convinced me to never watch Sportsnet in the morning.

  194. nelson88 says:

    Anyone who ever suggests RNH is overpaid or should be traded deserves to be flogged.

  195. striatic says:

    Missed most of this game, but Gazdic had a pretty good shift recently. True of the game as a whole?

  196. OilClog says:

    Gagner has become gun shy, he may not notice it or realize. But his natural reaction is to act “Sedin” now, that’s not the Samwise of old. Kassian deserved 25games at least.

  197. speeds says:

    By no means am i expecting EDM to trade Ference prior to the deadline, but I wonder if there’s any market for EDM to move Ference at the deadline if they wanted to?

  198. VanOil says:

    Ference-Fraser were putrid in the 1st period.

    But were even worse in the 2nd period.

    I am sure they will recover nicely in the 3d period.

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